First for level gating

>have option to filter non-prestige, non-max prestige players
>Lethal and Absolute should have a level gate of 13

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>>559817884

>>559818379
yeah same range of stanced flamer except stronger

>>559818094
>lethal
why though. the case for absolute is, if you are paired with low level players they drag you down to the point unless you are a superb player yourself you are going to fail the mission. On lethal you can just carry on even if other players are dead 99% of the time

>>559819320
Lethal and Absolute are barely different from one another.

There's a huge jump between Ruthless and Lethal/Absolute.

what difficulty are hard stratagems on?

>>559819804
Absolute+ or more specifically hard siege mode wave 11-15

>>559819804
Absolute
I still don't understand why they classified stratagems as normal/hard

>>559819916
>>559819914
Ah, was wondering why it was so rough
Didn't lose but was alot harder than the Normal one, by a mile

>>559819916
Normal Absolute is easier than hard siege mode wave 5-10 and 11-15.

It adds more anti-player debuffs up until wave 20, beyond that you're just on a flat line of lowered stats.

No idea why the ziggers picked wave 11-15 to be the "Hard" mode while Normal siege/stratagems are just Substantial with a different name. Most players can't even beat a normal Absolute map, there's no reason to use hard siege mode debuffs.

>>559819975
I remember the first time I did a normal strategem I felt great, so I decided to try the hard version right after and got absolutely shitstomped. The in-game difficulty names are not at all helpful.

What heroic weapons would you guys generally say are great to buy?
Currently have the Parry Knife and Heavy Bolter
>>559820897
Yeah, putting the actual difficulty level there instead of Normal/Hard would already help alot

>>559821036
>buy now
Heavy plasma
Thunderhammer
Heavy bolt rifle
Bolt sniper rifle
Heavy bolt pisol

>after you bought those above
Instigator carbine
Power fist
Omnissian axe
Bolt pistol
Power sword

>if you don't have anything else to spend
Chainsword
the two knives
Combibolter with melta rifle
Heavy bolter

>>559821717
>Argent Edge
>Dead last
Literally the most OP fencing option in the game, especially on Tact.

>>559819518
>Lethal and Absolute are barely different from one another.
there is a big difference between fighting 6 zoanthropes and fighting 4

also 2 bosses are much harder than 1

>>559818094
lethal is still a leveling difficulty for good players, back before i had everything maxed out i was still carrying at level 1 (yikes)

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I don't like this class.

>>559825515
>hardly any melee damage
Here we go again

>>559821717
I'd move the instigator, parry knife, and omnissian axe to buy now.

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>>559825515
Free up the slot then, I'll gladly take him.

>>559825861
Yes I know you only play on Ruthless. The reality is Techmarine is Vanguard (does no damage) without survivablity.

>>559827193
I play on Absolute.
Take melee perks
Fucking use the axe explosion. It's free AOE damage of a power whirl with the only start-up being the first swing.
How are people who don't use the axe saying it does no damage?

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>>559817868
>Squad Morale Status?
None... everyone's just meat for the slaughter

How many of you play with a mouse and keyboard and how many play with controller? I'm trying the former and seeing how to best tweak my setup

>>559830131
I play with a mouse and keyboard. Don't know how you could do this shit on a controller.

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>>559830131
I play with mouse and bound aim down on right click and melee mouse 5. I was kind of skeptical but realized that nothing could be more retarded than aim down on middle mouse so I gave it a go and it works swimmingly.

>>559830659
Yeah I might go with that, I tried fire right click and melee left click but trying to aim and zoom was a bitch.

>>559820847
I feel like normal stratagems are easier than Substantial. Or maybe I have just not played on those difficulties for a while and forgot.

>Do one of the stupid daily things for blue doritos
>Kicked half way through for seemingly no reason
Won't be playing this fucking game again any time soon.

>>559830659
Aiming with middle mouse is perfectly fine. I don't see how people fuck it up. Just click it.

>>559830784
>fire right click
>melee left click
Are you some kinda mutant? Did your dad bounce a beer bottle off your head when you were little?

>>559833426
Unless you're playing with three fingers on top of the mouse you need move your index or your middle finger to press the button which by itself makes it less ergonomic and delays the press. It also wears down your middle mouse button for absolutely no good reason whatsoever.

>>559830784
Mouse and keyboard is great for shooting, conversely I'm struggling to find the right setup for melee.
>>559833563
I used my index finger to hold to aim, which kind of worked but now I'm doing right click to aim, left to fire and now deliberating what I want to use for melee/block/finisher.

>>559833951
>index finger to hold to aim
Is this your first shooter?
Middle mouse aim
Left mouse shoot
Right mouse melee
1 on the mouse for parry
2 on the mouse for equipment
4 for heals

>>559834134
I just don't find it comfortable with three fingers on the mouse.

>Be Tactical
>Have the Heroic HBP and Heroic Parry Knife
>Equip Auspex on Parry
>Nuke anything that dares swing at you

>>559834363
I only use 2. You aren't shooting and zooming at the same time. Your index finger should just slide off of the mouse wheel on to mouse 1.

>>559834583
I did that but when I'm the heavy I find it easier to get in and out of the stance when you're holding to aim. Normally I would agree but the problem with SM2 is that you're switching from melee to shooting all the time.

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KARAK FUCKING STONE

pls pls pls play speed freaks

>>559837225
Okay, tomorrow night I'll give it a go.

>>559825515
>>559825861
>4k
>low
His melee is too high for a Techmarine

He can go as low as <1k, I'm mostly running Absolute Inferno and Disruption and I top off at around 400-800

At low levels I simply camp on turrets until it kills everything and I just execute spam, once I get the fast recharge on Majoris and sniper servo gun perks I play normally and even have low melee scores as low as sub-200

Still prefer the heroic HBR with the grenade launcher over the 2x headshot Occulus since it has better range, kills Minoris and Majoris shitters faster and has higher ammo capacity. The Occulus is a better Extremis/Terminus killer though with the 20% bonus damage after using a skill.

>>559837842
The class has a class specific melee weapon and you fuckers just want to shoot things with no ammo regen instead of dropping AOE explosions every other second.

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>>559830659
Consider ADS on space bar.

>>559837842
t. raven guard

Yknow, i didnt believe my friends when they told me how bad Chaos Spawns in this game are
>leveling Techie on Lethal since i just got back recently
>one warp wave
>6 Chaos Spawn all jumping around me
>can't tell whats a walking and whats a attacking animation
>that fucking whirlwind
Nids still the only good faction

>>559839089
Where would you put dodge?

>>559839089
I mean if we're going full retard might as well go for F12

how do you actually fill the nades on the heroic heavy bolt rifle? is it just from the droppod?
also semi related, but what is your guys prefered primary for techmarine?

Did they remove the double shot from the heavy's multi-melter? It feels terrible now.

>>559841785
It can only be refilled via ammo boxes and drop pods.

>>559842238
So no crates then, thats a bit weird imo

>>559842303
The grenade launcher was badass during the first 6 months of the game until it got nerfed real hard and it's useless now.

>>559839503
Ctrl.
>>559840185
What else is your thumb pressing most of the time? That's right, nothing.

>>559842543
It's great for Minoris clearing and staggering Majoris packs.

>>559842543
The Bolt Rifle GL used to be pretty braindead so they nerfed it's ammo economy which got carried over to the heroic HBR. That being said I wish Auxiliary Reload gave back some grenades for it; would actually give Heavy a reason to use the HBR over his other options even if it probably wouldn't be as powerful as the heroic HPI.

>>559843135
Meant for
>>559842303

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>Aligned Aim
>Transhuman Physiology

>>559842765
I'm going to try ADS with Ctrl, melee right, shooting left and mouse 5 for parry.

>>559844742
>melee right, shooting left and mouse 5 for parry
This is what I do. Ctrl for ADS seems a little out of the way though.

>>559847091
>using ctrl for anything
I hate games that do this. It's so awkward to hit.

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Vanguard without survivability.

>>559847720
But with burst damage

>>559848045
Haha wow
he can incap 3 warriors every 90 seconds
such huge burst damage

>>559847720
Don't get hit. Tech's niche is making a wall of bolts.

>>559848429
and your niche is fucking your mom
kill yourself

>>559848135
Sounds like you're bad, genuinely
>>559848946
Yep, bad confirmed

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I'm losing my fucking mind.

>>559850034
>>559847720
>>559825515
You honestly sound like a gigantic fucking faggot.

>>559850034
If you don't play Techmarine you'll get a lvl1 Techmarine instead :))

>>559849096
you are a dumb nigger
you are genuinely being carried by your teammates
kill youself

>>559848135
USE YOUR DAMN AXE

>>559850238
I do true solo's and im having no issue with Techie at all, you're free to keep throwing a tantrum if you want but it's just a case of skill issue

>>559847720
Correct, he has a bit better burst damage (certain grapple builds can easily match damage against bosses) at the cost of having no good stagger resist, no hp sustain, and a sizable portion of his kit being awkward and RNG dependent

>>559848135
You should only be using the servogun on majoris if you're getting jumped and need a get out of jail free card. It's value is in it's ability to instarape extremis and terminus. Any class that can kill enemies like Zoanthropes, Neurothropes, Biovores and Soulreaper Terminators before they even have a chance to become a problem deserves to be in high A tier at the very least.

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Got it done with 2 back to back Helbrutes. Had the darkness corruption effect stuck on my screen from the time I got into the Tomb to the end of the mission, so it's not just an issue with stims.

>>559851243
This

Tactical could get kneecapped over a dozen patches, the removal of Secure Stockpile, the removel of Auspex on Parry, the removal of Plasma Boost etc. and he'd still be low A-tier because he still pops Thropes like balloons thanks to guns like the Stalker and Marksman Bolt Carbine.

>>559851243
No it doesn't because it can barely deal with one wave of extremis before needing to wait another minute and a half. Every other class might take a bit longer with the first wave but the second wave will be the exact same speed as the first instead of far longer because their best weapon isn't an HBR. A powerfist can instantly delete multiple waves of extremis and majoris spawns in a row with zero down time

>>559851962
>needing to wait another minute and a half
You do realise you can turn it off, right? Most of the time I only need half of my ability charge to take down some problem enemies.

Its almost as bad as helldivers in here.

>>559852460
No shit sherlock, it doesn't matter because
>you're still waiting with down time while mister fister or the heavy plasma man is still going until the encounter ends
>its a buggy piece of shit that doesn't respond half the time and keeps shooting 3 more shots into gaunts before it finally accepts you pressing Q
Everyone can do well with techmarine, its not hard, he still will never be as good as bulwark, tac, heavy, or assault.

>>559852786
>Everyone can do well with techmarine, its not hard
No class is hard

>>559853385
No, but techmarine is especially easy when the strongest parts of his kit are all auto aim and require zero positioning which is why no opinion trying to rank him as equal to the actually strong classes will be respected
it inherently comes off as a shitter position, of someone who can't land headshots or cant find standing space to charge attacks, who mashes every gunstrike even when its a bad idea when shit hits the fan so they rank the better classes lower because they harder to pilot.
The best parts of tech are being able to instagib zoans and neuros and being able to swing wildly into minoris and get free armor back but the latter is only fun, not useful, and the former is a few peaks while the best parts of stronger classes are virtually constant throughout the mission.

>>559852786
>Bulwark
>Assault
I don't like having to rely on my teammates to take down airbourne threats. More often than mot if I'm playing a class that can't kill Zoans or Neuros before the situation spirals out of control it'll turn into a slog where we either wipe or barely make it through by a cunt hair.

>>559853886
>it's strong and easy so I don't want it rated high
Ok.

>>559854106
A zoan dies to a single magazine of ammo HBP, which doesn't take long, or dies instantly to a fist or hammer if its too low to the ground. They're obnoxious but both classes are more than strong enough to clear space around them for potshots
>neuros
Both make it into the circle easy enough and deal more than enough damage while its fallen to make up for the plinking when its airbourne. The dangerous part of neuros are the reinforcements and both handle those cleanly
>>559854410
Learn to read retard: its weak and easy but the easiness makes shitters think its stronger than it is

>>559854464
>which doesn't take long
It's pretty long when you're not allowed to dump a magazine on it when you're getting shot back. Tact's only real recourse is uninterrupted fire or being forced into melee to create space, which at that point is indistinguishable from Techmarine who has better melee perks.

>>559854464
>Learn to read retard: its weak and easy but the easiness makes shitters think its stronger than it is
From what I can tell shitters play Techmarine exclusively ranged and don't realize just how much AOE damage he can do for free in melee.

>>559854464
HBP can't kill a Zoan before the shield appears without Assault's doubled up 35% damage boost.

>>559854815
>assault's damage boost
Isn't that purely melee damage?

>>559820847
>It adds more anti-player debuffs up until wave 20, beyond that you're just on a flat line of lowered stats.
where do you see mechanics like this? whats a good resource for this game? just started playing multiplayer

>>559854673
>It's pretty long when you're not allowed to dump a magazine on it when you're getting shot back
You can weave shots in while its trying to ball you (or just iron halo).
>Tact's only real recourse is uninterrupted fire
A stalker bolt gibs them nearly as fast as techmarine while also having access to bolt carbine, flamer, and the ability to make the plasma gun have an ammo economy
>better melee perks
nothing will be better than auspex, the way its damage multiplication works will always make it a superior option.
If the only goal is swatting thropes then sniper would be higher than C, shit like biovores are bigger problems.
>>559854815
No but if the shield appears and the vulnerable thrope is somewhere odd no other class would be in a much better situation, otherwise you can just switch to shooting the vulnerable one instead and down in 11 or so shots iirc. Its slower and requires a bit of positioning but is more than made up for everywhere else. Chaining staggers, intimidating aura, immortal goomba stomping, banner in general, the new wings of flame build and so on.

>>559855085
No, he has a 15% ranged damage boost and a 20% ranged damage boost prestige perk.

>>559855564
This is why I always prefer the stalker bolt over HBR. Can accomplish significantly more damage with less shots involved.

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luv me assault

Every class should have the tactical perk emperor's vengeance as a prestige perk

>EAC bluescreened my pc when alt f4ed
uninstalling this trash

is anybody else getting some ridiculous fucking lag recently? the game still says sub 50 ping but i'm talking completely non functional shit
the fuck did those ruskies do?

>>559859347
Same situation for me. Happens in matches with randoms, but not in pre-made lobby

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Steal their fit.

>>559863957
Why did you post this shit? I'd rather the thread just stayed dead.

>>559830659
I ended up putting M1 for shoot, M2 for melee, Mousewheel click for grenade, and Shift for ADS while keeping scroll for zoom. It sounds stupid but I unironically love how it feels like some kind of first gen armored core control scheme.
Dodge is space, alt is parry, and control is sprint for the other inputs.

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>>559865947
>shift for anything but run
Please leave.

>>559866171
>Having toggleable sprint on one of the most easily accessible keys.
Don't knock it till you try it anon.

>>559866486
Control is way too awkward. Fucking aliens in this thread with weird pinkies.
>alt for parry
Put it on a side button on your mouse, what the fuck?
>first gen armored core
Controls like absolute dogshit.

standard controls, mmb to aim is perfectly fine for toggle

>>559864332
To spite you obviously.

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>>559867006
Well stop. I have enough on my plate.

>>559867075
My bad, I wasn't thinking.

Fire -> M1
ADS -> M2
Melee -> M4
Parry -> M5
Alt Fire -> Mouse wheel scroll
Sprint -> Shift
Dodge -> Space

and I couldnt ask for anything more

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I wonder if the whole "we can't add chaos customization to operations because it would be lore breaking" is just a lie so that they can "change their minds after listening to player feedback" in the future and sell them to us in year 3 season pass or something.

>another multiplayer round ends with me having only 8 kills
FUCK
I should've played the objective less.

>>559870753
Play Helbrute mode, getting kills is pretty easy in that mode since it can potentially last a while.

>>559871206
Sadly I was doing too well in the mode and got like one kill before becoming a hellbrute, six more before they took me down and one more as I realized that I did the objectives TOO well as the hellbrute and we won the match before I could run up to somebody and kill them one more time.

But I'm having fun making my Word Bearer cosplays for all the classes at least.

I'm so sick of reliquary being in every daily.

>>559870265
Being able to put chaos legion insignias on our armor is already lore breaking, as are deathwatch parts, the new voices and just painting your operations marines as anything besides what they appear as in the campaign.
It was always a completely unreasonable justification due to what they already allowed us to do.

>>559870753
>>559871909
It keeps fucking happening.

>>559874352
We know, that's why I called it a lie.

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I'll admit it, all I want it is the turbine jump packs for my assault marine.

>>559875050
>Word Bearer
>still sounds like a Night Lord

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Fellas, brothers, I'm going through it right now. Things that were supposed to work out haven't been doing so for a few months now. It's only through what some would call "sheer luck" that I've managed to stay afloat. So many things have fallen through, that if I only focused on those failures and runs of bad "luck", I'd probably go insane. What's important is the things that HAVE gone right. The things that SHOULDN'T have gone right. So many times in such a short space, I've found myself carried on Angel's wings. I've seen a miracle, snow, in my home town. A thing I thought would be relegated to the fading memories of my childhood. I've seen rabbits pulled out of hats, blood squeezed from stones, embers in the ash.

My brothers, I testify here and now, that even in your darkest hour, when the fangs of the wolves are gleaming bright in the dying flames of the most shrouded night, there is still hope.

Through faith I have been carried through storm. With the aid of family I didn't even know I could rely on, I've been lifted above the waves of despair. Through desperate prayer and determination, I have fought against ever encroaching ruin.

I am living proof that these words thus spoken time and again, are the truth, the whole truth, and by His grace and glory, nothing BUT the truth:

The Emperor protects.

>>559875114
;(

>>559874617
Just only do helbrute objectives, ignore the rest and focus on getting kills.
It doesn't matter if your team loses. Just gotta get 9 kills.

Can I please get a single hard strat lobby with <150 ping.

>>559876961
what region are you

>>559877106
Down unda.

>>559877490
same. wanna run one?

>>559877963
Ye, QGSIN.
Let's do the dailies.

>>559878482
roger

>>559878482
Room for 1 more for daily hard strats - Aus server.

Ausgawds keeping this general alive.
I'll be on after I've had a shower.

Alright, drop another code when you're ready (assuming you're not full).

>>559880237
EGPPE

>>559880237
did we just kick you

>>559880889
>The invite code you entered has expired

>>559880984
A random sniped the slot but now it's free.

>>559881029
Still says it's expired

>>559881084
4ST5X

>>559881126
did I leave in time

>>559886639
Yep we got it done. That might be the worst possible combination of modifiers on the worst possible operation. I don't think I could think of anything worse.

>>559886639
Yep, we cleared it. Sorry about that, my charged attack didn't go through so I got insta'd by the CS and my Servo gun did not work on the helldrake. Absolutely retarded.

>>559886783
When it takes a sacrifice for the others to pass, its a fucked mission

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>the aussies wiped

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>>559886892
>the amerilard still posts no codes

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>>559886892
Don't fucking bully us ok you take one look at that Reliquary hard daily and tell us that shit is reasonable with a straight face.

>>559887163
you cunce playing another?

>>559887243
Nah it's getting late. I gotta wage slave tomorrow.

>yes we won
>ahaha they wiped
post a code

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Running some decapitations on Absolute for levelling techmarine

Come hang out

TMHUN

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>>559887163
honestly I did it first try with no incapacitations as a heavy with randoms and a bulwark that went down like four times

>>559888381
Expired.

>>559887163
>larraman cells
>low key melee buff mod
>other mods also just push you into meleeing
Get good at melee.

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Have some week old bullshit.

>>559886987
I'm compelled to admit that I'm a yuropoor, so as to save innocent burgers from unwarranted attacks.

>>559893872
Based.

>>559879646
It's not a ninja gaiden game. It's just a shittier dmc4 with sekiro deflect slop added in to further ruin it.
Platinum didn't know what they were doing and just made another dmc lite like all their games.

Nioh 3's vastly superior just by making deflects optional alone.

I can't decide which class to play bros
PVE only

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>>559898131
Don't be a coward and just play all of them

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/six-of-marchs-playstation-plus-game-catalog-titles-have-leaked-including-madden-nfl-26-and-persona-5-royal/
Apparently the game is joining "March’s PlayStation Plus Game Catalog", so a bunch of newbies are about to descend on the matchmaking

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>>559902884
>more con(sole)soomers coming over soon
>mfw
Thank God I only turn off crossplay when I play with some /sm2g/ console-Brothas.

>>559903123
>Not soloing when both your consolebabs are down and feeling like a God

>>559906343
>It's another "Can't shoot because of 4+ Chaos spawn overlapping lunges" episode.
>It's also a "Soulreaper termie is covering every open space and most of the cover with missile/gatling fire so you can't melee either" episode.
>Next episode is "The other two guys die to the first wave of a Neuro spawn with 2+ Lictors/Raveners in the wave."
I'm tired of rolling boss.

>>559902884
I'm glad the Techmarine update has Steam discussions and their own forums being bombarded with level gates.

>>559909797
What do you mean?

>>559875296
Thank you, Brother. I'm going through it myself at the moment, and it's quite the timing that your post showed up. Shit's getting worse for me day by day, but at least I can distract myself by playing this game.

>>559910979
NTA, but so am I, bro.
Lot of money problems in particular among other things going.
We're all suffering through this dark chapter of humanity together. In the end, we're all going to make it though, brother. Just believe in the me that believes in you.

>stick an enemy techmarine with a krak in pvp
>he doesn't die
What's the point to these things then?

>>559909538
I really fucking wish they'd heavily rework thropes.
I shouldn't be just straight up fucked if 4 zoans spawn, my team is exploding, and I had the audacity to pick assault or bulwark...
Raveners and lictors, and even multiple lictors and/or raveners are more than enough bullshit for maxed out pro players to have to deal with. Having to dodge shit like that psionic shockwave it spams when it sits down ON TOP OF THAT is fucking ludicrous.

>>559898228
Yeah but what's the best one?

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>>559915517
The one you like the most

>Time out on the Hive Tyrant with like 10% of its HP left
Seething

>>559917745
Whch one do I like the most?

>>559913125
Yeah, it's actually why I've fallen in love with sniper and vanguard these days. Just, having something that deletes zoans and helps heavily DPS Neuros is such an increase to run consistency that I can barely enjoy running the melee guys anymore. My big terminid hated foe is raveners anymore.
>Speedy fuck can disappear like Lictors.
>Or run and leave a hard to see trail of fuck you acid everywhere.
>Grab dodge timing is janky as shit and earlier than you'd think.
>Three hit combo forces perfect parry on the first swing or get fucked situation.
>Duck'n'lunge is late as shit, hard to see, and leads into the three hit half the time.
Like, at least Zoans die to anything with a good headshot multiplier, Lictors can give you the benefit of both fucking off half the time or staggering their attacks so you can sneak something else in between their attacks, and Biovores can fuckin' wait for theirs so long as you spare a bolt for the spore mines every now and again. Every single Ravener is a problem you have to deal with now and with barely a good way to deal with it fast.

>>559918413
The one that works best with the one I like the most clearly

I just started playing this game after boughtening it recently when it was on sale. I have some classes around level 5. What's the best one if I like standing in the middle of all the enemies and perfect parrying to be invincible?

>>559919367
Bulwark

>>559919367
Bulwark since he has a perk that damages everything around you when you perfect parry on a 5 second cooldown.

>>559919427
>>559919456
I thought that dude's gimmick is using the shield block? I fucking hate blocking

>>559919505
Yeah but you almost never (manually)block, his gameplay still resolve around parry and he has the strongest parry perk of all

>>559915517
Even the SSSSSSSSSSSS tier classes have at least 1 flaw, but currently i'd say Tactical followed by Bulwark followed by Assault

>>559919594
Okay so I still wanna keep using balanced or fencing weapons?
Also is there any secondary with automatic fire? I'm gonna wear out my mouse button

>>559919707
Volkite Pistol.

>>559920072
That takes like 2 seconds to blow up a generic nid lel
Great for clearing out those green fucking faggot traps on the ground though

>>559920201
If you don't wanna wear out your mouse button, that's the only option you've got. Hand Flamer would be nice, but Saber and GW suck, so instead of getting the relatively common Imperial weapon, you get the relic tier, borderline lost technology gun.

>>559920386
I don't understand why the little SMG (carbine?) is a primary weapon

>>559919505
You block projectiles with the shield, a defensive tool that only one other class can do but on a cooldown. Shield has no cooldown and you can laugh at the two most deadly ranged enemies in the game with it.
Perfect parrying with a fencing weapon with Bulwark will fucking annihilate enemies with a single perk.

>>559920535
It's actually really good. Used to get shit on back in the day for some reason, but if you can hold your aim steady, you can 100 to 0 Majoris enemies really quickly. Better than some of the larger Bolt weapons. The Bolt Carbine being a secondary would be a little busted.

>>559920718
It was my favorite weapon to use in the campaign, I'm just saying if it's such a supposedly smol gun then why can't it go in the secondary slot?

>>559919367
Bulwark with Fencing melee

Use the shock AoE and Intimidating Aura

You're useless against flying enemies though

>>559920716
Not gonna lie, that heroic parry knife really makes me want to have the KNOIF on Bulwark, just the sheer bullshit of it + IA

>>559923215
powerfist > *

>>559920865
It's not a <pistol> so it's a primary.

>>559923471
Just spamming charge attacks is boring though. The heroic power fist is the only fun power fist imo. The extra gunstrikes are great and all, but inconsistent. It is fun to pummel on shit with the extra 200% light attack damage.
Being able to interrupt combos is nuts though. Having another source of intimidating aura is nuts.
I can understand it being busted on bulwark since he already has intimidating aura, but god I wish it was on assault at least. It's easily my new favorite melee weapon, with the heroic PF being a close second.

>>559923471
im a fencing fag sadly, balance feels awkward and i dislike block in general

>don't play for 2 months
>come back now
I feel like they changed sound? Or maybe my headphones are breaking. Deep sounds (stomping, impacts, thunderhawk engine) are significantly quieter.

>>559920716
>you can laugh at the two most deadly ranged enemies in the game with it
Judging by the amount of complaining here, one would be Biovore and the other Neurothrope?

>>559931048
The two I'm referring to haven't been mentioned, they would be the Warrior with a Devourer and Ranged Terminators. You can block the devourer shots and the terminator's minigun, but not the rockets.
Biovore's spore mines are completely unblockable. The Neurothrope and Zoanthrope's orbs can actually be blocked with the final signature perk that gives more resistance to knockback when you have armor. You have to make sure to block the orb itself before it touches the ground and causes stagger around the impact zone. I vaguely recall you can actually shield some of the shockwaves too for no damage but you will get staggered. Will have to double check on the barrier waves but the little shockwave the Neuro does as it gets up from being downed can be blocked last I checked.

Newfag who asked about perfect parries here
Bulwark is fun but I do literally no damage
Whenever there's a Techmarine, he does 10x my damage (literally, I did 1600 melee damage and he did 16k ranged damage)
Is Techmarine OP?

>>559931691
>Bulwark is fun but I do literally no damage
you do, damage calculation is bugged and you should never compare it.

>then why do people keep posting stats screens
yes, they are retarded.

>>559931691
Nah, you probably don't have relic tier weapons yet, and Techmarine lives by its damage output. As a Bulwark don't stress about doing giga damage on the scoreboard, literally staying alive and providing your team perk already does more than 60% of the score's worth plus I'm not sure if Intimidating Aura actually counts.

>>559931691
what level are you and which wargear are you using?

>>559932139
Level 9, heavy bolt pistol and power hammer. I'm fine with the hammer not doing that much damage, it's just so useful to clear shit around you
>>559932049
>>559932014
kek so it doesn't count the damage from intimidating aura and from me pooping out an electric zone?

>>559932338
It does not. You're doing fine anon. Don't worry about how others are doing, just focus on doing your best.

>>559932338
no, it doesn't. neither does it include gunstrikes, grenades, any kind of aoe except flamers' dot

>>559932557
Oh I'm fine as long as I'm having fun. I mostly asked because Techmarine seemed pretty great, probably the second class I'm gonna try out bigly. Doing free damage all around me is amazing
Though the sentry guns seem annoying to constantly rebuilt
>>559932636
>gunstrikes
The fuck? Isn't that everyone's main source of damage on Majoris enemies?

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>>559875296
Thanks for sharing that Brother. I am glad you managed to come out on top of things. I've been going through some personal shit as well and things tend to get pretty dark at times. I'd say faith can be very undervalued when it comes to staying afloat when turbulent moments hit. But that plus painting minis and playing the game, among others, helps me keep the balance.

We all need to believe in something and I believe the night is the darkest right before the dawn. Fingers crossed for you and others. The Emperor Protects!

>>559932741
no, unless youre playing assault, we just hit them very hard

>>559932878
>I'm the only player who enjoys paired animations with iframes
Sad!

>>559932878
>unless youre playing assault
>we just hit them very hard
>unless youre playing assault
bruh

>>559932338
>so it doesn't count the damage from intimidating aura and from me pooping out an electric zone?
Yeah, it doesn't track other damage sources either. Outside of the DoT from the flamer (I believe). No worries though, people who made it like that have never touched the game so it will probably stay that way.
You are definitely contributing to your team with the banner and inflicting Emperor's wrath through it. Make sure you level your weapons to relic tier and you'll do great. Fencing weapons work great on Quartus and I can definitely recommend the heroic PFist and fencing PSword.

>>559933036
>>559933112
thats not whats being said at all, assault is the only one that really benefits the most from gunstrikes, but you know heavy, tact, sniper, dont really gunstrike that much, because theyre literally shooting them all the time, most of bulwarks damage is coming out of shield slams

>>559933356
Fist is just chargespam which is boring and I'm too low IQ to understand when to switch the power sord mode

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>>559933505
and today's award goes to...

>>559933546
>I'm too low IQ to understand when to switch the power sord mode
If you need armor immediately and no enemies are rearing up to attack then power stance to knock minoris off their feet and gunstrike
If you need to rake or whirl asap then speed
But swapping between the modes grants a temporary buff to damage so swap often for damage buffs.

>>559933505
You're going to be forced into melee no matter what at higher difficulties.

>>559933889
>>559934098
wheres the lie, most of youre damage is not coming out of gunstrikes

>>559933546
Heroic Fist is a fencing version and it does a lotta damage (sure not as much as block one but it's a good trade off) while giving you access to gunstrikes. At the same time you proc IA constantly. Not a bad thing. But PFist IS an acquired taste for sure. It's been so crap most of the time that Saber devs didn't know how to turn that around so they completely overturned it.

As for strong/fast stance in power sword - you get damage bonus for swapping the stances so you can just do it as a rule and fall back to the one you like. Generally:
single target
>fast attacks + power rake them to death (occasionally use power whirl too)
chaff
>strong attacks that give you gunstrikes and for the knockback.

>>559934160
>youre

>>559934947
just let him be, he's drunk as fuck

is ERP anon alright?

I'm not drunk you're drunk

I figured out why the power sword is confusing, I always use light -> heavy combo on my melee weapons and didn't realize it changes the stance lyl
The gunstrikes are amazing but pretty inconsistent, any idea what exactly causes Minoris to be knocked back from it?

>>559938154
does any pistol other than plasma knock all enemies back?

>>559939039
No sorry I mean I hit like 6 dudes with my power sword and 2 of them can be gunstriked. I don't understand how the game decides whether they're gunstrikable after a melee attack

>>559938154
every attack (usually) has a form of stagger value, you know how that goes
it shouldnt be inconsistent (dash attack always knocks them down for a gunstrike) unless you mean the gunstrike itself, i think only perfect parries/blocks actually knock enemies back

>>559933505
>Sniper
>Don't really gunstrike all that much.
>Exacting Focus
Bruh.

obelisk continues to be the retard filter

>>559844742
Well I think I finally have it down:
>Fire left
>Melee right
>Execute mid
>Parry mouse 4
>ADS left ctrl
Also got a new monitor and damn my PC had some struggles with the bigger resolution.

>>559932741
>Isn't that everyone's main source of damage on Majoris enemies?
not on absolute it isn't

>>559938154
The Power Sword will knock minoris down for a gunstrike on powered up light attacks. Makes it pretty fun on Techmarine as he can get gunstrikes without stopping his combo, allowing you to spam power whirls/rakes while getting armour back.

I've been leveling up tactical for a while. It's a pretty good class with some top tier guns.

Post codes.

codes.

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Fine. I shall be the change I want to see in the world.
Hard dailies.
NA west.
QHIDA

>>559957160
2/3

bro the fuck is this carnifex

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>>559957160
Your code expired. Posting my own for hard dailies. Lobby: CKUS5.

I'll play the new weekly in a couple hours.
Well, I'll give it a shot with randos once before asking around since I'll be rocking Techmarine.

>>559957160
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I really dont even bother with those dailies anymore, its a total waste of time. I wish they would just add 3 give you 50 for each one.

>>559958710
UZK2B

i can't do another, i gotta go to da baffroom

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>>559961986
2/3

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>>559961913
I do em for fun.
I already have the store maxed, and my doritos are half maxed already.
>>559961986
2/3
Absolute disruption.
>>559962001
Ggz

>>559962475
6IPSA

>>559963516
HPPSH

>>559932338
The hammer's damage is fine. Without a full rack of weapon/character/prestige perks it can really be hard to tell what is or isn't good, outside of the moveset. If anything, the moveset being rather limited (haha smashy smash) is the biggest issue the hammer has. It also means you're giving up the shield rush move that bulwark has when he has a shield.

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im going to watch them both die then leave

>>559969404
I wish people didn't always leave when they died. I like when my teammate sticks around despite constantly eating shit and going down 5 times in a single operation.

You know what, I'm actually going to just prestige again and get that turret explosion perk.
These Helbrute AOEs are fucking enormous.

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I'm about to fucking uninstall.

Just game-ify ranged weapons to the extreme if we're gonna have people shit ammo out of kills. Solve the horrendous ammo economy by putting spare magazines on a regenerative cooldown as base for all weapons and classes.

>>559973461
Same boat except the Tyrant was on like 10% HP. The bloated health in that mission is fucking dogshit.

>>559978480
Do the opposite, remove all ammo regen and pick ups, 10x all range damage.

>double terminus per spawn
>stronger terminus
oh look another weekly where they didn't playtest this shit

>>559978718
>ranged damage is gimped
>instant double neuros
What the fuck are you supposed to do?

>>559978957
Even with double fists the damage is shit, you have to wait for the Neurothrope to come down so that your Assault can jump on it fully charged twice for any significant damage.

Techmarine's sniper servogun does peanuts and the Tarantula turret is far worse.

>>559978718
>>559978957
Pretty simple really. Just don't play.

This weekly is actually harder than the very first one they've conjured, any Terminus combo outside of double Carnifex means you're fucked

>>559979908
Well second attempt got weirdly lucky, only 1 gunbeast spawned throughout the whole mission. Maybe they sensed my heavy flamer preparing to roast everything.

>>559979998
Gun.... Beast...?

>>559980129
I'm too tired to remember its fucking name.

Use Tactical
Use Aligned Aim
Use Pyreblaster (burn damage doesn't count as ranged)

Use Techmarine
Use the first team skill that lets you camp near turrets
Use all of the melee perks
Use the sniper servo gun including the -50% mini auspex class perk
Your job is basically to camp near turrets and use your sniper servo gun to engage Terminus from afar then while its in cooldown you charge ahead with your Omnissian Axe

Third team member is Assault with Strategic Strikes or a Bulwark who actually knows how to shield rush, any Bulwark who does AoE is trash

I've come up against the issue that I can solo one terminus but I can't fight two and both my teammates at once lose to a lone terminus.

Time to go sniper for the weekly!
Also 3 chaos daily fuck that.

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It wasn't the best experience.

Ok, it took 4 heroic sniper head shots to kill 1 ranged warrior. I shant be doing this in hard.

Are the Aussies about? Wanna get the weeky normal and hard strats out of the way?

>>559987619
You betcha, unite The Stack™ at once.

>>559978718
>>559978957
If you want a gimmick win then use fire, the fire DoT is not considered 'range damage' so it isn't reduced. A tact with a flamer can pretty reliably mince bosses.

>>559987735
TPR6C

>>559987789
Expired

>>559988053
Fuck off we're full.
Sorry m8.

>>559969610
does it make you feel like a big boy?

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cool game :)

>>559995298
that is exactly how I got downed too. exact same shit. in the exact same spot right before that. ????

>>559995345
The worst part is I later got downed by a Soulreaper Terminator spamming it's fucking autocannon at me while I was soloing the Helbrute as the last man standing. If my relic wasn't wasted like this I probably would have been able to pull off the clutch.

>>559930459
I do like being able to change into another build on the fly, complete with its own weapons.
Frost moon is great.
Deflecting is great, especially since they don't force you to use it like in wo shlong and rotr.
Making ninjutsus chargable was a cool idea, and I love the new movement ones like lightning dash.
Air combat's pretty decent, especially if you're a ninj.
A lot of cool new bosses.
New yokai are sick, despite them reusing the jailers and underusing virtually everything else imo. Hopefully that ratio evens out in the coming ng+s.

>>559995623
Embarrassing bro I'd delete my 4chan account if I were you.

>>559995623
sounds like crazy april update content

>>559995623
The Ultramarines aren't sending its best

>>559995298
>>559995345
is this some new bug? i don't think i have ever been struck without a warning yet it's the second time someone posts a webm like that itt lately

I do like being able to change into another build on the fly, complete with its own weapons.
Shield bashing is great.
Deflecting is great, especially since they don't force you to use it like in chaos missions and devourer spam.
Making the omissian axe chargable was a cool idea, and I love the new movement ones like omnissian rush.
Air combat's pretty decent, especially if you're a thrope.
A lot of cool new stratagems.
New enemies are SHIT, despite them reusing the tzaangors, tenfolding their health and giving them a fucking beyblade and underusing virtually everything else imo. Hopefully that ratio evens out in the coming april patch.

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>>559995703
>>559995719
>>559995787
Listen. I just woke up.
They're almost the same game too if you think about it.

>>559996036
The cultist was targeting me and I dodged it but the shot then missed onto him. Then a terminator teleported behind me and insta-deleted me :)

>>559996316
Does Nioh make you want to rip your dick clean off of your body by placing you in impossible situations?

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>>559996271
Brother, please...

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>>559996271
>Air combat's pretty decent, especially if you're a thrope.

>>559995298
I'm pretty sure theres a bug with sniper indicators ie venom nidders and cultists where the indicator doesn't show leading to you getting beamed. It's happened multiple times already.

>>559996551
>>559996535
the duality of (the imperium of) man

>>559996429
Not really, but you fight inhuman horrors to protect humanity as a superhuman, and you can 3 person co-op 99% of the content.
Fist weapons are both the best in each game too.

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>>559996429
Nioh is about trial and error, anon. Although I will admit this motherfucker had me feeling that way for a while.

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Shocked by how smooth that was possibly curtesy of playing with a premade
Spawning this many terminus enemies when ranged damage is fucked is stupid though, thank fuck for flamer cheese. Neuros would've been ass otherwise.

Just did the hard weekly, pure cinema.
got lucky with both double bosses being only 1 neuro