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Female SSS
>>577557081The one on the left isn't canon.
>>577557081good well designed characters and surge
Tails = Kid-Sonic.Amy = Girl-Sonic. Knuckles = Anti-Sonic. Blaze = Nega-Sonic. Jet = Whatever you would call the "Superior" Sonic, or above Sonic in some significant way. Sonic is a knight of the wind, Jet is the legendary wind master, he's a step beyond Sonic, that sort of thing. Shadow = Dark Sonic. Silver = Light Sonic.Metal Sonic = Metal Sonic. >>577557081Blaze is not a 'Girl-Sonic'. She is Nega-Sonic.
...And her waterbending raccoon sidekick, Marine!
>>577557252>Nega-Sonic>Nega-Sonic is a girlIt's girl Sonic
>>577556775The best Sonic characters are all counterparts to Sonics. Blaze is truly the best girl.
>>577557081>female SSS Worthless>regular SSSAlso worthless
They're female sss because they get more yuri fans than the actual failed shilled lesbians
>>577557359>The best Sonic characters are all counterparts to Sonics.No. I want diversity in my characters, not just “Sonic but X”
>>577557313No. Amy is Girl Sonic. Blaze is Nega-Sonic. She is everything Sonic isn't. Sonic isn't female, so Blaze is female. Sonic isn't hot-headed, so Blaze is hot-headed. Amy is also a hotheaded female, but she IS Sonic, translated through that "passionate girl" lens. Blaze takes "passionate girl" but removes anything related to Sonic himself. Blaze is like if you took Tails, Amy, and Knuckles, and used every single thing that separates them from Sonic, and put it in a blender to get something as far removed as Sonic is possible. Remove Tails' admiration of Sonic and how much he tries to be like Sonic, remove Amy's entire Minnie Mouse baseline of mirroring Sonic's style and personality traits, and even remove some subtle aspects of Knuckles that makes him a _rival_ to Sonic in that competitive sense that matches Sonic's energy and attitude, and what you're left with will only be the traits so polar-opposite from Sonic, it will automatically add up to Blaze.
>>577557081>>577557524Sonic Team didn't create Surge, so her inclusion doesn't work anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt20clVl4-E
Douge
>>577557797> Ring Tail Buddies and Foxlet
>Blazefags shitting up the thread again, as if Surgefags and Amyfags want their asses around
Tails + Amy + Knuckles minus anything that connects them to or resembles Sonic = Blaze.
>Speaking of Surgefagshello. you called?
>>577557723>Sonic isn't female, so Blaze is female.Girl Sonic is a conundrum in of itself because Sonic isn't a girl. Therefore, using this as justification is weak. Being a girl is already established to not be literally a genderbend Sonic. Otherwise, Amy is not girl sonic. There is no girl Sonic because Sonic isn't a girl.The closest thing to a girl sonic relies on outside traits.Amy, Blaze and Surge are all the closest things to a girl SonicGirl SonicGirl Nega SonicGirl Dark Sonic
>>577557902Are you gonna throw your father if someone posts shadria or knouge
Tails.
>>577557930>Surgefag sneakBlazefags and Surgefags deserve each other. I cant tell whos leeching off of who here. Surge trying to become canon or Blaze trying to become relevant?
Zooey ^-^
>>577558559is shit
>>577558410This post >>577423448 really got to you didn't it?
>>577558629at being bad
>>577558559is pregnantbut who's the father?
Surge isn't even in the running.She hates the wind and everything about it.
>>577558772in the minds of self inserting pedos
>>577558856and everyone else
>>577555250>Blaze is only a Knuckles if you look at her at a surface level and ignore everything else baked into her design and conceptualization.Not really. Not ven Sparky but she is basically jist another Knuckles but she had 7 emeralds she uses to go Burning rather than a giant controller Knuckles guards but doesnt use.>>577555386I mean Sonic 3 and Mania were both guilty of that really.2D platformers in general we're in that era even before 3D.
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>>577558230>Girl Sonic is a conundrum in of itself because Sonic isn't a girl. Therefore, using this as justification is weak. Being a girl is already established to not be literally a genderbend Sonic. Otherwise, Amy is not girl sonic. There is no girl Sonic because Sonic isn't a girl.None of what you're saying makes any sense. "Girl Sonic" = Amy Rose, and this is not the same as simply making Sonic himself into a female because Sonic's own personality is masculine-coded in the way Amy is feminine-coded, but they are the masculine and feminine coded versions of the same core concept between them. Amy is the core basis of what "GIRL SONIC" means. She is the female, or feminine, version of Sonic. She is "Sonic the Hedgehog" + "Feminine / Romantic / Girlfriend Archetypes". Because she is the Minnie Mouse to Sonic's Mickey Mouse, which means she is the love interest archetype that's simply the male mascot character but Girlfriend-shaped in both design and personality. Her personality resembles his, except "girl-coded" in various ways that he obviously lacks. She likes like Sonic as a girl wearing a dress, both in classic and modern designs. What separates Amy from Sonic is that she is a "magical" girl with extremely passionate emotions, but what connects her to Sonic is that she is a cartoon hedgehog who embodies freedom, and acts impulsively and loves adventure and lives life by the whims of her heart, and all that stuff. So Sonic & Amy directly mirror each other and value the same things in life and even think on the same wavelength, but Sonic is cool while Amy is passionate and that one small difference is their entire dynamic. Blaze is the polar-opposite of Sonic in every way, so she is similar to Amy in the one way Amy is different from Sonic: being a "magical" girl with intense passionate emotions. But Blaze IS NOT "like Sonic". Where Sonic is the wind, and freedom, Blaze is a flame, and "constraint". Blaze is a "Girl" like Amy, but NOT "Sonic".
>>577557081Super Sexo Sonic Search & Suck Squad
>>577559009>I mean Sonic 3 and Mania were both guilty of that really.>2D platformers in general we're in that era even before 3D.No that doesn't count because uuhhhhhhhhhhhh it just doesn't
Surge gets into anything mainstream and it's over. She gets shilled just as much as SSS in the mobile games, she already has four skills in Rumble. She has more skins, skills and paid bullshit than Tangle and Whisper ever got and in far less time. Sonic Team didn't make her, but they sure as hell will act like they did if it gets them money.
Blaze is only "girl Sonic" if you reduxe Sonic to being the center of attention and using 7 emeralds to transform and fight an eggman.
>>577559028>None of what you're saying makes any sense.It's simple. Neither Amy, Surge or Blaze are a blue hedgehog girl named Sonic. None of them are literally girl Sonic, only girl Sonic in vibes and traits that are inverse, reverse or feminize what Sonic is.
>>577559234Surge is a better character than the lesbians so I'm okay with that.
>>577559181 (Me)I just remembered the guy who said new 2D games can't be good because "Taxman and Whitehead" aren't working "together" anymore. I love Mania but wow the praise it gets is dumb
>>577558035>Blaze has the same backstory as Tails>teased for her differences and social outcast until Sonic entered her lifeAnd Sega wonders why all his fans are autistic.
Penders confirmed Shadow and Sally have hot cummy sex
>>577559512They don't wonder that.
Fortnite keyart leakHonestly Sonic dosnt look half bad
>>577559413No, "Girl Sonic" is Amy. Sonic the Hedgehog himself but if he was born female, is not the same as "Girl Sonic". The same way Sonic himself as a little kid is not the same as how I call Tails "Kid Sonic". What makes Amy "Girl Sonic" is how she is the idea of Sonic through a feminine lens. That is not what Blaze is. Blaze has the feminine lens, but not the idea of Sonic. Sonic himself gender swapped would still lack the feminine lens.
Gentle reminder that Sonurge is less popular than Sonamy, Sonadow, Sontails, Sonaze, Sonally, Sonknux, Sonouge, and even Sonilver.https://trends.google.com/explore?q=Sonadow%2CSonamy%2CSontails%2CSonaze%2CSonally%2CSonouge%2CSonknux%2CSonurge&date=today%205-y&geo=Worldwide
>>577559735AI?What happened to Pac Man's eyes?
>>577559735>more crossoverslop
>>577559481Because its always been about narratives. These people are invested in saying their little elitism cult of people who are totally better than incompetent ST had to make a good game for them. I love Mania and I doubt the Mania Team even looks at it that way themselves.
>>577559787>sonamy half sonadowlmao get fucked. one true pair right there
>>577559787imagine jobbing to sonilver of all ships
>>577559735You can't do a human sized Sonic without making it look like a mascot suit.
Silver is Blaze's Amy.Dreams of an Absolution is like Follow Me but from a lonely guy's perspective...
>>577559780>Sonic himself gender swapped would still lack the feminine lens.Feminine does not equal Girl!You can have a vagina and tits and not behave femininely.What you are describing Amy as is not girl Sonic, but instead feminine girl Sonic. You are still not disproving the notion that inherently, none of these characters will ever literally be girl Sonic though.>Blaze has the feminine lensIncorrect. Blaze has a masculine lens same as Sonic. She's not feminine, just regal in a traditional sense. She is a girl that has masculine attributes, inverse of Amy, much like Surge.
>>577559995>Because its always been about narratives. These people are invested in saying their little elitism cult of people who are totally better than incompetent ST had to make a good game for them.Indeed>I love Mania and I doubt the Mania Team even looks at it that way themselves.Stealth recently said he wasn't satisfied with Mania. https://nitter.poast.org/HCStealth/status/2026370709891715264
>>577560201Silver isn't lonely
>>577559841Fortnite devs have been used AI a LOT specially after laying down 1K employeesThey even shared a video with the whole process
You guys are weird.Silver is Blaze's Silver.
>>577560351I forgot about that one car collab thing where apparently Epic provided the image instead of the car company. That does lend some credit to it being real, I guess.
>>577560351I support woke ppl getting replaced by robots.
>>577560276>Feminine does not equal Girl!>You can have a vagina and tits and not behave femininely.That's why I said Sonic but genderswapped still lacks the feminine lens. Sonic, even if he were a girl, is not 'Girl Sonic'. Amy is. >Incorrect. Blaze has a masculine lens same as Sonic.No, many things about Blaze ARE very specifically feminine-coded as well, but it is coupled with masculine-coded stuff I don't quite understand, and also insecurity and stuff because has Tails traits and Knuckles traits on top of that baseline feminine lens of Amy. Like Amy, Blaze is a passionate girl. Like Tails, Blaze is timid, socially withdrawn, and insecure over her unique trait. Like Knuckles, Blaze is a guardian whose duty-bound by responsibility. The conflict between the Knuckles traits, Tails traits and Amy traits define the overall tension and restrictiveness of Blaze's character. Because Amy's passionate emotions are then constrained by Tails' insecurity & Knuckles' responsibility, resulting in Blaze being constrained as she is, hiding her hot head and innermost feelings behind strict discipline.
>>577560578the robots are woker; the ones they use can't even think subversive thoughts. and they make bad art.
>>577560815>it is coupled with masculine-coded stuff I don't quite understandThis is the part you're not getting in relation to her position with Sonic and Amy and why she is a "girl sonic" by the metric you're using for others. Come back when you learn up on this.
>>577559735Judging by their aize, Sonic and Tals are going to be sidekicks
>>577559735Is that Shadow
>>577560347>Every night I will be with you...>Every night I still lay awake...>Every night I will make it right...Maybe Silver needs a new vocal theme that is divorced from Blaze's death...Shadow has a dozen different themes for his character.
Sparky needs to brush up on the japisms to decode what hes missing about Blaze
>>577561301Maybe Silver needs a new vocal theme that is divorced from abusive gay sex.
https://nitter.poast.org/Head_cannon/status/2020595768655282447I wish more people understood this. It applies to Sonic Team as well, but most Sonic fans don't recognize that there's a difference between Sonic Team and the people Sonic Team works for
>>577561308What am I missing about Blaze? Her outfit being male coded in a way that's like a trope for female characters in Japanese media?
Can we talk about an actual good female character? like Rouge, Tikal, Sticks?
>>577561489Research the tropes, animes and themes it's associated with and dig deeper into japanese descriptions of Blaze and how that relates to her position as a ruler.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to marry and impregnate a Sonic girl
>>577561601Phew. That was close. I almost responded to this obvious bait with an incensed post.
>>577561301Kill yourself already, Tanabatautist
>>577561856I know -about- that stuff in the sense that I've heard it before, I've seen explanations or videos about it before or whatever, I'm just not personally familiar with it in a way that resonates with me personally. From what I can tell, Blaze wears a "Takurazuka" outfit and that relates to an all-female theater thing where women play both male and female roles, and Blaze's own outfit is the male-coded type or whatever. But how deep this kind of rabbit hole goes is beyond me. Unless the vibe is like, "Blaze is a girl performing a masculine role" or whatever.
>>577562381I need Lancelot's cock
Great. Tailsfags killed the thread again.
Foxboy genes...
>>577559037Who is the best one at it
>>577561601>like RougeRouge is the most complex Sonic girl, because she's played the villain and the hero role effortlessly. It's too bad the movie guys don't like her.
Cutie
>>577563314Boyyyyyy!
>>577564234Boy(s)!
>>577564189<3
>>577563314i'm no tailsfag, but i can sure say that blue really does contrast well with him
>>577561601>Rougenot allowed to do anything lest she upset the west with her tits and her squeaky-clean image that she shares with the supposedly edgier cast >Tikal irrelevant and little more than a glorified reference to an earlier time>Stickssame as above
>>577564484I agree but if you're implying the blue shoes work better I disagree>>577564463Kino
>>577564372Yay!>>577564484>i'm no tailsfagThat's such an embarrassing thing to admit. I hope you do better anon. Appreciating his pretty blue eyes is a good step
>>577564563Blushy boi
>>577564932Blushes are so cute
>>577565052Yeah!
>>577565220c:
>>577565250(=
20 minutes into sonic chronicles and it's already insanely difficult what the fuck
Though boy
>>577557081>>577557524K-Pop Demon Hunters ahh trio
>>577559735>Sonic >Eggman>Shadow >Tails I better get Amy and Knuckles confirmed too. But this is highly likely fake.
>>577561601>SticksWhatever tier meme character.
>>577561470I understand what he's saying but he's also clearly trying to brag about "knowing the industry". Also, Iizuka is a soulless yeaman. He's only "good" because he isn't rude to westerners like Naka was.
>>577566000Tough boy
>>577566639Iizuka is good and clearly cares about Sonic and has since Sonic 2.His haters are the same kind of ameritard that just demonized whoever they percieve to be in charge at the time.
>>577566639I think Iizuka is good and would be better if he was rude to westerners like Naka was.>brag about "knowing the industry"He's right to talk about it the way he does. I think everything he said is or should be rather obvious, but it clearly isn't
>>>/v/745372523>>>/v/745372523>>>/v/745372523
>>577566765NTA, but I look at Iizuka a lot like I looked at Iwata. They're both good people with their hearts in the right place, and they used to be amazing at a different job, but they're not so great at their most recent one. I don't feel like either had much of a vision for the future of their business.
>>577567536The Sonic series survived the 2010s thanks to Iizuka.
>>577566765>>577566791Iizuka is a sleepy play-it-safe faggot who has no vision and enjoys blandness. He also only cares about Sonic and Shadow as far as characters go and probably wants to make everyone else lame on purpose so fans will feel the same way
>>577567682>Forces>Boom>Team Sonic RacingYeah, he did a great job.
>>577567780You have to be retarded to not sleep through the meme awards, who cares about that trash.
>>577567682No it almost died then because of him. The movies saved it, barely in the knick of time
>>577567835He doesn't have as much power as you think he does. He didn't want Boom and he also didn't like Sonic Team getting budget cuts and threats to end the series entirely.>>577567883SEGA wanted to end the series altogether in the 2010s. We wouldn't have had the movies at all if Iizuka didn't insist to keep it alive. No one believed the movies would be a success either, that was already a failed project until the delay. A delay that was caused by the public demanding a character design closer to the game. Which is what Sonic Team was already asking for and was being laughed at and ignored by Paramound for.
>>577568241
>>577567883No actually screw you, this is pissing me off dude. The movies were killing the series with that shit Sonic design THAT IIZUKA WAS OPPOSED TO FROM DAY 1. Fuck you.
>>577566664
>>577568372The shit ass games from the 2010s were killing the series fucktard. If anything the abysmal movie design from the first trailer helped by getting more eyes on them, then when they fixed it and the movie was actually decent Sonic started getting buzz again and THAT’S why Frontiers sold so well
>>577568125Well it surely wasn’t the games he was putting out in that time that were helping, that’s for damn sure
>>577568628>>577568748The shit ass 2010s games that were made because of people like you constantly inventing excuses to disrespect Sonic Team leading them to get less budget, less decision making power, and letting outsiders (SoA, meme marketing like Sonic 4 and Colors, Big Red Button, Paramount) to take over the series. Fuck off.
>>577568808>inventing excusesYou mean like you’re doing right now? When fucking fangames are better than you, there’s no excuse
How much of a budget does Sonic Team need to make a good game? Do they need Last of Us 2 of Nu-God of War money?
What do you think a post-Iizuka Sonic franchise will be like? 10 years ago it was Boom, but things have been turning around.
>>577569154I'm not inventing anything, this is what we know from interviews, insight from people who worked on the series like Stealth, and actual thinking. Stop defending the corporations that fucks over the series' creatives. Iizuka was opposed to the shit you blame him for.
>>577569172All we really know is that if Frontiers didn't succeed that they'd be making very short, very cheap games now instead. Frontiers was their last shot at a full-budget title. So probably whatever that cost.
>>577569381Sega being shitty doesn't automatically make Iizuka and Sonic Team not retards anymore.
>>577569230Depends on who gets put in charge. A hardass JP producer like Naka would probably be good for the series at this point. I don't really see anything else doing well.
>>577569172They need a budget that is proportional to what they're tasked with making.
>>577569172Sonic Team just needs to make the games resemble the Spider-Man ones - open world, ambient ground, air, and sea traffic, urban and suburban infrastructure, and NPCs you can talk to
>>577569432>they'd be making very short, very cheap games now instead.Like currently lol
>>577569381If you think I’m defending SEGA you’re a turbo tard. They’re just as much to blame, but that doesn’t excuse Sonic Team’s STINKY output for basically a decade and a half
>>577569230Westshit everywhere. The movies will overtake the games
>>577569534It's probably going to be Kishimoto, who is hack and comes off as more clueless than Iizuka. The only good thing about him is that he might ignore the west.
I hope they put Yoko Taro in charge of sonic.
>>577569725We're pretty much in the same position except it's IDW overtaking the franchise.
>>577569517Sonic Team was opposed to design decisions behind Sonic Lost World.Sonic Team was opposed to Sonic Boom.Sonic Team was opposed to not getting the budget they needed for the games they were asked to make.Sonic Team was opposed to the original ugly movie Sonic design (won this one but only because the public complained, they were against it from the beginning).Sonic Team was opposed to Sonic Frontiers getting rushed out one year early (luckily won this).Sonic Team was opposed to SEGA's decision to end the Sonic series entirely and cancel everything, before the movie trailer was even revealed.No, you don't get to call them retards for things they never wanted.>>577569706>just as muchAnd there it is. You're absolutely defending them and you're retarded.
>>577568241I hope that turbine is waterproof
>>577569867>Sonic Team has no say in SonicHuh. It's a lot like western corporations.
>>577569867It's funny how you skipped Forces.
>>577569867>Sonic Team was opposed to design decisions behind Sonic Lost World.Really? Genuinely asking
>>577570003I didn't. They had to make a big exciting game with the limited resources they had while SEGA was threatening to shut down their studio. Of fucking course it didn't work out well.
>>577569725The movies are 00s adjacent and ran by American-Iizuka, so I mean some people will be happy.
>>577569608If you think it's bad now...
Seriously, what kind of budget does Sonic Team expect for a Sonic game? I feel that shouldn't have massive impact on whether a game is actually good or not unless you want random sights for a huge map to show off graphics.
>>577570147One thing they mentioned specifically was not being allowed to have vocal tracks in the games anymore. That started with Generations (which only had remixes of old ones) and carried over to Lost World. When they made Forces they also kept repeating that he was happy that they got to write the initial version of the story script internally again instead of letting external western writers handle it first and only being allowed to make changes later.
>>577570404>Seriously, what kind of budget does Sonic Team expect for a Sonic game?More than whatever they had for Forces that's for sure.
>>577570495Well you just told on yourself, because Forces is the worst story in the entire series. You’re still missing that Sonic Team being fucking incompetent is the biggest issue here
>>577570738Forces' story is bad. I'll still take it over Lost World though. And the Boom games don't even qualify as part of the Sonic series
If the next game is still mediocre or ass after a reported budget increase from Frontiers and the current long wait then it'll be time to just accept that nobody at Sonic Team is talented anymore.
>>577569730Shun Nakamura might replace Iizuka first then Kishimoto will do it
>>577570903God help us
>>577570495With all due respect, vocal tracks are not design decisions. Unless otherwise stated, outside of the story/script, LW's design(gameplay) was totally ST's decision in an attempt to evolve Sonic's 3d gameplay. Frontiers kinda continues the evolution LW started.
>>577570953I'm sorry, by "design" I was referring to presentation, audio-visual stuff, general feel, things like that. I didn't mean game design. Sorry.
>>577570903Nakamura does other things besides Sonic so I doubt he'd take the position.
>>577570836Lost World is Citizen Kane compared to Forces, and that’s acknowledging how ass the deadly 6 are. They should be publicly executed for fucking up an “Eggman wins” story so badly
>>577571125>>577570836English or Japanese Lost World? Yes, they are different.
>>577571125Eggman wining should've bern the plot for a Sonic Adventure 3 game.
>>577570950>>577571084I get the impression that Nakamura is more competent than Kishimoto
>>577571125Lost World is absolutely the most infuriatingly poorly written game in this entire series. Forces is bad, but it's not Lost World bad.
>>577571252Why, neither of Adventure games had Eggman "win", just successfully fail.
>>577571248I'm aware, they're both lame>>577571286As game directors?Sonic 2006, Samba de Amigo, Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg, Rhythm ThiefvsSonic Colors, Lost World, Forces, Frontiers
>>577571248>personality vs bland nothingnessI have no idea how so many of you worship the Japanese
We need a Japanese equivalent to Ken Penders to take over Sonic Team.
>>577571286What gives you that impression? Nakamura seems to be the guy ST goes to when a project is going to shit and needs to be limped across the finished line or Sega will fires everybody.
>>577571434Pontaff scripts don't have personality, they erase Sonic and Tails' personalities and replace them with generic asshole characters. It's OOC dogshit. You do not like these characters
>>577571385Because Eggman winning should be a big event, not whatever Forces was.
>>577571434Marvel quips are not "personality".
>>577571518Nakamura is a producer, designer, and director. He can do all 3
>>577571437Takeshi Shudo
Blaze is the most bland, doesn't even use her sol stuff anymore, and vaulted
>>577571371Lost World is just normal bad. Forces does EVERYTHING POSSIBLE wrong, made even worse because the premise isn’t bad. How are you gonna just completely skip over the 6 months of Eggman reign? How are you gonna have EVERY character be their worst possible self? Why the fuck is Classic there? Why do I need to be subjected to Build-a-Bear OC pandering? How are you gonna make Infinite, who has a cool design and BEATS SONIC, into such a fucking joke by the end? I can go on but I’ll just get too mad holy shit
Sonic's wife
>>577571537>>577571662That is still miles better than the BORING nothingness written by the Japanese. Thy treat these characters like hollow vessels only meant to move along a barebones plot and allow the players to insert themselves becuase otherwise there’s NOTHING
>>577571904>Sonic's wifeis not in that image >>577559787
>>577572013?
>>577571775I genuinely blame Silver for this
>>577559787How much of a seething bestie do you need to be to do this
>>577567536>NTA, but I look at Iizuka a lot like I looked at Iwata.Haven't read the rest of the post but I already like the comparison.>but they're not so great at their most recent one. I don't feel like either had much of a vision for the future of their business.You're only proving my point more.Cobsolewarfags who just wanted to brag about how their stan-console could be said to have bigger specs than the competition so they could win internet arguments are the only people that believed this about Iwata.Ultimately Iwata lead shift in direction for the company is why they are inthr solid place they are now. Especially given how much he did to help the development of the Switch in particular.
>>577559787Surge lost, Sonturdge lost
>>577571968>That is still miles betterNo it isn't.
>>577571762>Takeshi ShudoHow?
>>577572098>How do I make this about SilverBlaze becomes a Sonic world hobo with or without him, forgetting even Marine too.
>>577571782>Why the fuck is Classic there?Because you praised Generations despite it being the worst game in the series. Then you praised it again in 2024. Are you ready for 100 more years of bland nostalgia slop?
Sonurge
>>577567780>waahhhhh my pet character isn't the main character and isn't as popular as thr MAIN CHARACTER and his edgy rival!Get over yourself, Tailsfag.
Penders confirmed Shadow loves Sally
>>577571782Lost World is an entire game of Sonic doing something stupid, dodging responsibility by being an asshole to anyone trying to help him, repeating this several times until you get to the end of the game, and Sonic getting away with all of it because he's never held to task for being a dumb piece of shit. It's a far worse game that does much more damage to Sonic as both a character and a series than Forces (by itself, we're not counting how IDW made things worse coming off of it).
>Sonurgeis shit
>>577572185A bad attempt at adding real character is better than no attempt at all
>>577572310Fuck off bestie
>>577572363They already had real character.
>>577569597I hate Spiderfags so much
>>577572117I'm proving your point because you're making excuses for Iwata. His tenure was when Nintendo began to develop nothing but gimmick consoles, which they're still doing, which caused 3rd party support to fall off except for shovelware from the early 2000s until present day because they can't go multi-platform on Nintendo systems. The 3DS Ambassador program happened because they committed to not dropping the 3DS price until Sony unveiled the Vita at the same price, then they panic dropped it immediately and apologized for doing so. Wii U speaks for itself. Iwata's tenure was not a good one. He was a cool guy, but he fucking sucked at his job.
>>577572229I don’t like Generations, I’m not a stupid millennial
>>577572310Canon.
>>577571537>they erase Sonic and Tails' personalities and replace them with generic... charactersIt's funny because that's kinda what the Japanese localization of LW does. It completely deletes the growing rift between Sonic and Tails which was a major narrative theme in the game.While Pontac and Gaff probably shouldn't have written a story like that for these characters, it kinda surprising how aggressive the Japanese localization is in writing that out. Like, why even let them write a story like that if you're going to completely change it?
>>577572480Alright, good.
>>577572583>why even let them write a story like that if you're going to completely change it?Because: >>577561470and also: >>577569867Do you understand yet? SEGA is not Sonic Team.
>>577572583>Like, why even let them write a story like that if you're going to completely change it?That’s what I’m saying too
>>577572509Is TsunSurge Evan's fault, or did fans already headcanon that as soon as Surge was confirmed to be a girl?
>>577571968The Japanese games from Adventure through Unleashed did more to establish the characters than any game since. Every game after that could easily have had a completely different cast with no changes because none of their personalities mattered to anything happening. You've got it completely backwards because you're a moron.
>>577572260At least Tails attempted to reign in Sonic’s stupidity in that game, and he showed actual remorse when he gets Tails captured becuase of it. But oh people fucking hated that. So much so that in Forces, they made Tails and everyone else become complete pathetic jobbers who can’t do fucking anything until Messiah Sonic comes back. It’s insulting
>>577571125>Lost World is Citizen Kane compared to ForcesNah fuck off dude. Thats insane.>Tails gets to br a smug cunt while Forces has tails be scared so LW guud!Worst kind of fanboy
>>577572804Fans didn't start drawing Surge as a tsundere until after this point. Before then it was dommy mommy stuff
>>577572857Yes, and Tails's inability to do so is what resulted in him getting caught, because Sonic was STILL being a completely unrepentant dipshit rushing headfirst into the very next thing to fuck up. There's no excuse for how Sonic is written in Lost World. None at all. Just going through the cutscenes makes my blood boil. If I could unmake a single Sonic game, it would probably be Lost World.
>>577572583They did the same thing in Frontiers too. Heaven fucking forbid the rest of the main cast besides Sonic have meaningful arcs of their own, nope we gotta keep everything nice and bland status quo and whatnot, everyone sucks Sonic’s cock all the time that’s all they’re good for WAHOOOO
>>577571434>personalityBro put here glazing generic nick jr millennial writing.
>>577572804>created to match Sonic's speed, stamina and strength>have an unhealthy hate for Sonic>yet didn't kill him when she couldShe's tsundere for him because that's what the writers want
>>577573017Frontiers just retreaded old ground for Tails and Knuckles for the umpteenth time while making Amy a significantly worse character. That game should have been rewritten for the English version, too.
>>577572583>It completely deletes the growing rift between Sonic and TailsWhat "growing rift"? It literally came out of nowhere in a single scene and then is forgotten for the rest of the game.LW has no real narrative. Its a bunch of things happening.
>>577572893>I like when someone besides Sonic sucks because Sonic is da king and everyone needs to suck his cock at all timesFuck off Iizuka
>>577571537They have more tangible personality. You may not like their personality but they do. You can think it's bad, but Pontaff writing gives more attention grabbing characterization than Japanese which is less of that and more subtle..I don't like subtlety.
>>577573168Its always down to this. Same shitter from yesterday that complained about Sonic protecting his best friend and lil bro in Colors.Because you only ever see character interactions as stealth dominance competitions.Grow up, man.
>>577573240>I don't like subtlety.Kishimoto was right...
What the heck?Watching Sonic Boom and get to some episode with lots of Tails. Pretty good episode. Except I noticed this odd little thing with Amy. She doesn't have her monoeye. Just in this one segment, like a few seconds out of the whole episode.
>>577573380There are more than enough posts in this very thread to have proven that several times over.
>>577573240NTA, but explain it then.In the japanese version, I get the sense of a cool confident guy who sees his friend as more capable than his friend sees and a kid who knows he is capable but can he a bit humble to a fault sometimes.The Pontaff one is "smug sarcastic smart guy" and "Smug sarcastic jock".
>>577573341If Sonic was in character in colors he would’ve let Tails stay and help him, because he respects him just as much as he cares for him. You just only care about Sonic being cool
>>577573535I'll reword it. Pontaff and English characterizations gives them a stronger personality, that stands out more. Japan gives them a more nuanced one. The first is better.
>>577573591>If Sonic was in character in colors he would’ve let Tails stay and help him, because he respects him just as much as he cares for him. You just only care about Sonic being coolDude you're literally just projecting.I do not give a shit one way or the other.Youre the one making it some.massive deal when it isn't. Neither is in or out of character for Sonic.It's a net neutral action.
>>577573591sonic hasn't let tails stay and help him since heroes
>>577573680>nuance bad!
>>577573396Probably just some fuckery with the rigging where there was some weird overlap in face parts.>Watching Sonic Boom and get to some episode with lots of Tails.The episode always makes me think of the porn joke someone drew about it, except not with Tails. It was Silver with Marine and Blaze.
>>577573774Yes and that’s a bad look on every game post Heroes. It’s as if a character can only be themselves if they’re playable, if they’re not they lose everything that makes them cool and unique in favor of becoming a cheerleader. Thats a problem
>>577573240>more subtle..I don't like subtlety.>>577573680>Japan gives them a more nuanced one. The first is better.I hate you not because your opinions on writing are terrible but because they actually listen to people like you.
>>577573680>stronger personalityI don't agree. It's way more shallow. It fails to communicate what the character's relationship woth eachother is or what kind of people they are and what they're personal strengths and weaknesses as people are.The only thing it does is make they douches so the story can have them get "punished" for being a douche so the characters can feel sad about how they were douches and "vow to #do better. At least that's what its trying to do anyway.Because this is how slop cartoons for 6 year old in America were all written.The characterization is not "stronger". Its just more surface level and familiar to you. It doesnt ask or require any investment.
>>577573747You’re just brushing off shit writing to protect your precious Sonic Team retards
>>577573990No not really because it doesn't matter and never has. It only bothers you because you see it as denying him meme feats for his powerscaling wikipage.
>>577574065I agree with this
>>577573135No, Sonic and Tails are getting more annoyed with each other as the game goes on with Tails starting to overcompensate while Sonic gets more reckless and impatient. It is an awkward progression, probably because it's OOC and Lost World is already thematically all over the place, but it is happening.>>577572720I guess that makes sense, and it is a testament to how much ST cares about these characters that they would gut a story to maintain characterization. The other question though is why would Sega allow ST to do this in Japan and not try and keep things consistent across the regions?
>>577574065Shallow and strong are analyzing different qualities. Sometimes a character that is memorable only needs a strong personality. Take Asuras Wrath which has bad one note moment to moment writing but is memorable because of spectacle and themes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzKTZ7Ab7iA
>>577574246>No, Sonic and Tails are getting more annoyed with each other as the game goes on with Tails starting to overcompensate while Sonic gets more reckless and impatient.This is just more retarded Lost World writing. Tails is getting pissed because Sonic "trusts Eggman more than him" or whatever, except Sonic doesn't give a shit what Eggman says either, so Tails is just throwing a shitfit for absolutely no reason. And there are only like two cutscenes about it anyway. Like the other anon said, it's basically immediately forgotten.
>>577574161You haven't explained how it is shit writing though. Just that you are butthurt Tails wasn't fighting the NegaWispArmor so you could add it to his vs. wiki.
>>577574205I want to see my favorite characters doing cool shit, fucking sue me I guess. It’s really that simple, it has nothing to do with “powerscaling” or whatever autistic schizo theories you want to project on me
>>577574246>The other question though is why would Sega allow ST to do this in Japan and not try and keep things consistent across the regions?Because SEGA is also formed of multiple parties, including SoJ trying to advertise Sonic in a market where its struggling, and the much more dominant SoA who publishes the games in the dominant market and is trusted by the SEGA to appeal to that audience. So SoA is tasked with making people like Pontaff write the story and has all the cutscenes and structure built around their work, and then SoJ lets ST work with the little they can get to make changes. There are several parties with different interests and different levels of influence. Sonic Team progressively lost influence and power after 2006 and were almost shut down completely in the mid 2010s.
>>577574535Oh no, she has a lump...
>>577568241Beautiful
>>577574467I don't get why people are against power scaling. There are people who have hobbies analyzing stories that have airtight internal logic and power scaling like the Worm fandom community. Liking one doesn't bar you from doing the other.
>>577574575*by the rest of SEGA
>>577574246>Sonic and Tails are getting more annoyed with each other as the game goes onNo they don't.Sonic and Tails both agree to team up with Eggman after he says they need to in order to fix his machine.Tails is getting into beef with Eggman, not Sonic. And then he sniper as Sonic for not helping him keep his ego inflated just because he tries to get them to stop fighting since they agreed to work together, accusing him out of nowhere of trusting Eggman more.Then he spends the rest of the game seething at every little thing Eggman does, only for Eggman to save him from CrabmeatCubot.Sonic was the mediator between Tails and Eggman, not the reverse.
>>577574467It undermines Tails’ character and how Sonic views him. It turns him into a helpless baby who’s useless in actual problem scenarios when that was never the case pre-Unleashed. This is an action series at the end of the day, benching important characters during the action is unacceptable
>>577574687I'm not against power scaling, I'm against it making you treat stories as sports matches
>>577569172Those games aren't good either.
>>577574272>Shallow and strong are analyzing different qualities.No not really.>Sometimes a character that is memorable only needs a strong personality.The character's already had strong personalities. The Pontaff ones arent strong. They are generic as fuck and dont leave a meaningful impression.>Take Asuras WrathLiterally who
>>577571904That's Kit's actually.
>>577574824Is Tails a helpless baby here?
>>577574321Hey DJKitfag, do you think Kit would like the music you post (assuming he had enough autonomy from Surge to form his own tastes in music)?
>>577575070They're siblings
>>577575070>Implying Kit isn't Surge's wife
>>577575236Shadria wants their retort back, queen.
>>577574868I wish you would understand that it’s not about one-upsmanship, it’s about proper characterizations and motivations. Sonic benching Tails because he doesn’t respect him enough to fight alongside him is OOC. Tails being completely immobilized by fear under any circumstance, after SA1, is OOC. I have no idea why you want to defend these things, maybe you’re a jap purist or something idk but it’s pissing me off
>>577575169Probably not.He'd probably be more fine with the soft instrumental songs as a way to focus. I can't imagine him liking Skramz or any screaming songs.It's hard to gauge character's interests without some sort of example.
>>577575150No, but that’s not the main Sonic Team version of the game now is it?
The shittiness of LW's writing reminds me of this episode of FoP.https://youtu.be/kbXIOHFAOOc?t=1181Here's the epsiode wants us to see Timmy as thr badges because he wished to be smart as a response to AJ, his supposed friend, spent the last few days makong fun of him for getting Fs and rubbing his straight As in his face and mocking his intelligence to gas up hos ego.And the show wants us to see Timmy as the bad guy for it because "AJ worked for it and he didn't."This neoliberalism bullshit is just endemic of western writing. This idea that everything bad ever is actually just your fault for not #being better and you need to be punished so you can be humbled and learn to #do better.Then they have AJ casually go "well i guess i didnt help given i was being a gloating jerk the entire time"And has Timmy respond "yeah but you DESERVE to be a gloating douchbag actually".This is how LW is written. Right down to the story ending with "LOL you know you never NEEDED Eggman right? Im le smartest" before having him just fix the machine, and Sonic goes yeah youre right.The story is essentially punishing Sonic for comiiting the crime of not sucking Tails' dick enough.And this same anon will claim the Sonic series does this for Sonic when it never does.
>>577575608I was just curious. I wonder if the Colors DS version was closer to the original Japanese draft before Pontaff got involved
I think Forces had a lot of potential and if it was good it would have been good.
>>577574559>I want to see my favorite characters doing cool shit,Tails wasn't playable. This isn't any different from any other game he wasn't playable in but was present in the story for.You're making things up about the narrrative and characters in it and that's my problem.>>577574687>I don't get why people are against power scaling.https://youtu.be/MliMYt_IvdkAs a pass time it can be fun. The problem is when retards start making it the basis around which they judge and consume media.When you are more interested in judging a story based on whether or not it helps your internet dick measuring contests more than telling a good and compelling story, you have lost the plot.
>>577575630That’s not comparable at all and you know it. The conflict of LW comes strictly from Sonic being an impulsive dumbass, while also not respecting Tails enough to trust him. Sonic doesn’t even fully realize he’s in the wrong until HE gets Tails captured for no reason becuase he was STILL being a dumbass. But people hated it because ohmygod how dare they show Sonic as any less than the perfect being demigod Messiah savior. And they made Tails pay for it tenfold in Forces
I think IDW had a lot of potential and if it was good it would have been good.
>>577574824>It undermines Tails’ character and how Sonic views him. It turns him into a helpless babyNo, it just means Sonic is being heroic by makong sure Tails makes it out safe.Sonic himself doesnt even make it out fine. He needs the wisps to save him I the end.I dont get you people with this black and white scarcity mentality about these things.Sonic is doing it because he cares about Tails, not because he sees him as weak.This is so retarded, and comes from this unhealthy view where you constantly feel like you are in a e-peen measuring contest with Sonic through Tails. It screams little brother syndrome.
>>577575949So it’s illegal for characters who aren’t playable to do cool things? Why have them in cutscenes at all then? It’s really not hard to write characters correctly without having them be playable, get better standards for your games I beg
oh, the attentionwhore is here.
I think Rise of Lyric had a lot of potential and if it was good it would have been good.
>>577575608It literally is.Colors Wii is the first game to be under the effects of the 90sBoomer mandates.Its why they had english writers, Eggman had to be the final boss. The chaos emeralds couldn't be in the plot and had to be just a powerup. Sonic and Tails only and Orbot and Cubot are here to be Scratch & Grounder.
I think therefore I am.
>>577576037>That’s not comparable at all and you know it.It's literally the same shit. If anything LWs is worse since at least FoP plays it through all the way.>The conflict of LW comes strictly from Sonic being an impulsive dumbass,No it doesn't, nor does it matter because that happening in the first place was always contrived. Eggman had control of the Zeti already. The conflict comes from Tails being a smug douche mad at Sonic for prioritizing trying to get shit done over babying his ego.And the story spends its entire run just shitting on Sonic for being himself and having the characters cringe at him for sayong cringe quips the writers wanted you to find cringe.> also not respecting Tails enough to trust himYou literally made this up.You made it up 5 years ago and youre repeating it even now. At no point did Sonic express any distrust of Tails or even downllay him.The story starts by having Tails be the egotistical one looking for any opportunity to brag about how smart he is and takes Sonic beong a mediator instead of taking a side as a personal offense.
>>577576580"I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am"
>>577576169Does Batman tell Robin to fuck off when he’s about to fight because he’s worried about Robin’s safety? Especially if he could actually use Robin’s help? Of course not, that’s retarded. The only reason he or you or anyone would want that is to be a gloryhog. You don’t respect Tails either and it shows
>>577576267>So it’s illegal for characters who aren’t playable to do cool things?The "cool thing" you are crying about Tails not doing is "the bossfight".
>>577576580She thinks, therefore, I penis her.
>>577576714Kit your thoughts were implanted into you by an evil platypus
>>577576734>Does Batman tell Robin to fuck off1. sonic and Tails are not batman and Robin2. Sonic didnt tell Tails to fuck off.3. Batman has on many occasions evacuated or told him to leave with civilians or injured people while he takes out the villain.Stfu
>>577576826I disagree with his extreme perspective on Tails not fighting, but I have to be fair here, Classic Sonic doesn't get a boss fight with Chaos either, it's just a cutscene.
>>577576995>sonic and Tails are not batman and RobinIt’s a hero and sidekick example, not that deep>Sonic didnt tell Tails to fuck offYes he did, he literally forced him away. You’re a fucking moron
Tails is cyborg and sonic is flash you dorks
Why did Sonic Team allow the west to write such a story for LW?
>>577576042>if it was good it would have been good.I think you might be onto something.
>>577576734>Does Batman tell Robin to fuck off when he’s about to fight because he’s worried about Robin’s safety? Especially if he could actually use Robin’s help?All the fucking time, actually. Like, every single one of them multiple times each.
>>577577246Because they're idiots. Sonic Team told Pontac and Graff to write the English script the way it was written
>>577576826Wouldn’t Sonic want all hands on deck for a boss fight? Since y’know, it’s supposedly difficult?
American slop writing ruined your brains, and your so accustomed and familiar to the slop you mistake it for "stronger characterization".Every main character has to be an idiot that gets the finger waved at him by someone smarter, more responsible and competent and moral so they learn to #do better.Bonus points if she is a girl.Smart characters jave to be argonant know it alls with massive egos because they see everyone around them as low IQ idiots.The villain has to be a stand-in for your asshole boss, teacher or that politician you dont like. Strong character shave to be retarded. Parents have to be well meaning clueless morons.Older sisters have to be killjoys who talk down to the main character. Bonus points if she is vain and shallow.Etc etc
>>577576708You’re actually braindead if you think the main conflict comes from Tails
>>577577497Jap writing is objectively better
>>577577092Im talking about Colors here.Forces has a completely different context. There the point is supposed to be that Tails is beating himself up for letting Sonic die and in a moment of weakness, Classic Sonic comes in and now Tails has a new Sonic to do right by and make up for his previous shortcoming.Forces in general was slapped together as a game anyway. Every mod basically changes the scene to have a Chaos Bossfight.
>>577577215>It’s a hero and sidekick example, not that deepSonic and Tails arent really "hero and sidekick" in Colors. They are two friends just shooting the shit and never take things too seriously.They are closer to "The leader and the smart guy" than "Hero and Sidekick".Sonic never treats Tails as his junior in Colors. Which depending on who you ask is actually a weakness of the writing.
Forces Tails is good because he’s a cowering wimp but Lost World is bad because he actually stands up for himself. I wish you faggots would just drop the act and admit you just hate Tails instead of making yourselves look foolish defending garbage writing
>>577577215>Yes he did, he literally forced him away.You're a dishonest shitlord.Again, it os framed as Sonic making a brash choice to protect Tails to show he cares about him over his own well being.It is not him.being dismissive of Tails' as a person.You're just being disingenuous.
>>577577812>Sonic never treats Tails as his junior in Colors.He does in the very scene we’ve been talking about. He thinks he can’t handle being next to him in a fight, which is insulting
Oh so that's why.So, I always wondered why https://store.steampowered.com/app/34270/SEGA_Mega_Drive_and_Genesis_Classics/ got removed from Steam.Apparently its disappearance comes with Sonic Origins coming out.
>>577577454>Wouldn’t Sonic want all hands on deck for a boss fight?When has that ever been sonic's mo?He usually just does shit himself and his friends have to volunteer to contribute.Him leaving Tails to take care of Eggman for him after he gets shot out into space is treated as a big deal for him because he is literally about to die.
>>577577940I don’t care what it’s “framed” as, I care about what it ACTUALLY means. If Sonic actually respected Tails as a partner in crime, he would’ve let him stay and help, especially considering he ended up needing it. You might just be too stupid to takes things beyond their face value
>>577578102>When has that ever been sonic's mo?SA1, SA2, Heroes, 06, etc. Basically most of the games from before Sonic Team decided that they hated the extended cast
blaze is actually shadow's shadow
>>577577585>ignoring the entire post.It takes a special kind of character fag to accuse everyone arounf you of being a raging narcissists for not bending the universe backwards to shill your pet character at the expense of everyone else, while claiming the opposite is happening when it isn't.
stop spamming ugly art of shitdow
>>577577893>actually stands up for himself.What was there to stand up for? The story has him being a bragging douche from the second they land on Lost Hex.But this is good because my pet character gets to feel dominant over "Shitnic the Messiahog".>>577578037>He does in the very scene we’ve been talking about.He literally.doesn't.Quote the line where he does.>He thinks he can’t handle being next to him in a fight, No, he is choosing to prioritize his bros safety.Prove me wrong with evidence from the game.
>>577577663>Im talking about Colors here.Oh, sorry
>>577578713>shill your pet characterThat’s exactly what you fucking did for Sonic in your retarded ramblings >>577576708, trying to excuse his retarded plot-driving blunders just because you thought Tails was kind of annoying. I fucking despise your hypocritical kind and I could only WISH Sonic Team didn’t pander to you retards, but unfortunately they do and I might have to quit this dumbass franchise forever because of it
>>577578216>I don’t care what it’s “framed” as,Then you're admitting to making shit up to mad about because a story is what's in the story, not meta internet scorekeeping characterlaundering you do after the fact on the internet.You do not care what it actually means. Because what It actually means is based on how the story frames and portrays it. You have to make up a motivation for Sonic in your mind to push this narrative.Sonic did not do it because he sees Tails as some liability. You. Made. This. Up.
What do Eggman fags think of LW?
>>577578424>SA1He doesn't though. Tails is just following him.He actually fights Chaos 6 and Egg Viper alone.He doesnt stop to find him to have "all hands on deck".>SA2SA2 is the same thing. It's just Tails asserting himself and he goes along with it.In Green Forest and Ceazy Gadget, Sonic treats it as him coming to Tails and Amy's rescue.Tails comes up with plans and ideas and Sonic goes along with it because it sounds good. He doesn't go out of his way to "have all hands on deck".>Heroes Literally itd Tails ring to find Sonic in bumfuck nowhere and recruiting HIM to go on an adventure together.>06Sonic is literally spending the entire time away from Tails and with Elise. Tails is the one coming after him and looking for him every other time they meet up. In end of the world, he is dead and his friends rescue him.He doesn't go " alright now I need to share the emerald.power with Tails and Knuckles because we need "all hands on deck".All this nonsense about the Colors scene is just a thing ya made up.
>>577579030>That’s exactly what you fucking did for Sonic iSonic isnt even my fave character. You're literally just projecting because you jist see this as a characterfag jockiying contest. Its so cringe dude.Nowhere in that post do I even say anything about Sonic to try and shill him.I spend the entire time criticizing the writing conventions of the FoP espiode and how LW falls into he same trappings.You're cooked, dude.
>>577579219I don’t know what to tell you anymore. You’re incapable of critical thinking and seeing anything beyond the surface level. Put a pretty bow on a turd and you’d think it was a lovely Christmas gift. Actions have consequences
Wow Belle is a fucking asshole, Sonic was giving her emotional support on issue 84 then she started shitting on him in the next issue.
>>577579351SatAMfags and DeemBristofags like him because he is more cartoonishly evil.Everyone else kind of doesnt care.I personally prefer my Eggman not being to cartoonishly evil. He's supposed to be evil because he is a self absorbed douche, rather than a sociopath.But I don't despite LW eggman either.I liked how he defended Tails while he was teamed up with him. I just prefer when Eggman is played more for his hamminess rather than being try hard serious.
>>577579789You ignored the brutally obvious facts that the entire plot and conflicts in LW were caused by Sonic’s dumb actions, because you hate Tails and wanted to blame him just because he was slightly annoying and you worship Sonic and Sonic Team’s shit writing. Begone hypocritical retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzeQlJHzONEGN
SSS
>>577580007Wait, Sage is in the IDW comics?I will have to check them again.
>>577579934>You’re incapable of critical thinking and seeing anything beyond the surface level.It's like im talking to Patrick in "I'm with Stupid".https://youtu.be/zoCPsOEynaYThis ^ is literally you right now.In your retarded mind, the only way to interpret the scene is through a jockying contest where characters are fighting over clout. But somehow I'm the surface level one?
turbo tails
>>577580326...is kino
>>577580158>You ignored the brutally obvious facts that the entire plot and conflicts in LW were caused by Sonic’s dumb actionsIt's not but this isn't relevant.What's relevant is you somehow equate this with>because you hate Tails and wanted to blame him just because he was slightly annoying and you worship Sonic and Sonic Team’s shit writing. Begone hypocritical retardBecause somehow the only reason i could disagree with whether or not everything in the game is because Sonic is a moron in the game can only be because I hate your self-insert character?Wild dude. Just wild.And it perfectly illustrates what your angle is here and always been.
To not hate Sonic and shit on him is to hate Tails. A Tailsfag told me so.
>>577580476You’re literally making up MY intentions now. All I’m doing I seeing BEYOND THE SURFACE LEVEL to know what certain actions imply. If Sonic is worried about Tails’ well being, that LITERALLY MUST mean he also thinks Tails isn’t fit to stand beside him and help out. This undermines Tails AND Sonic’s view of him. If Sonic Team wrote in the next game something akin to “Tails is now stupid and he’s purple and he only has one tail now” you’d probably believe because you just eat any slop put directly in front of you without thinking twice about it. They love stupid schmucks like you who won’t question their incompetent writing skills
>>577580789I know you hate him because you literally pinned the blame on him for no reason you fucking moron
>>577581171shadow and maria sexo
>>577580326SmellyStinkyShit
>>577581119>All I’m doing I seeing BEYOND THE SURFACE LEVELHow is "Sonic did it because he sees Tails as a liability" looking beyond the surface level? It's not. It's you doing the thing you're accusing me of doing....again...You're making up a negative motivation for the character to justify yout negative feelings about it so you can frame sonic and the writers as malicious.You think youre engaging in sophisticated psychoanalysis but youre not.There is literally a term for this. Motive attribution bias or Fundemental attribution error and its indicative of a person with problematic unconscious beliefs in general about how social dynamics work.>If Sonic is worried about Tails’ well being, that LITERALLY MUST mean he also thinks Tails isn’t fit to stand beside him and help out.No it doesn't. And you're proving my point.Again, in your mind, the only reason you can't get your bottle is because a peeson must have some negatove view of you or your pet character.No, I promise you this isnt how that works and if this is how you operate IRL, its no wonder you dont have any friends.
>>577581260>pinned the blameWhy said anything about "blame"? Sonic Lost World is not a story about "who is to blame". It never was. The point ig the story and what it is doing is trying to paint both Sonic and Tails as retards that need to learn a lesson.Sonic is impulsive and Tails is an arrogant retard. But you make it about "who is to blame" because youre 12 and have the assessment skills of a literal gradeschooler who still evaluates situations based on seeing things as a morality contest.But sure, I'm the moron.You're laying bare what you're priorities are here.
>>577576317Not compared to 06 but it could've been interesting. 06 Sonic gameplay is fun but it's obvious where they cut corners from personal experience.
>>577581836>Why*Who
>>577581581Nigga it’s just simple logic. if Sonic thinks Tails would get hurt, that means he must think Tails is incapable of handling himself to the point where he WOULD get hurt. Apply this logic to Heroes and he wouldn’t let Tails help him fight Metal Overlord (a much bigger threat than ANYTHING in Colors fwiw). It boils down to lazy writing because Tails wasn’t playable and also the overarching theme from most games in that era that only Sonic was allowed to do anything actually cool. Think about it, they could’ve easily written it like this >>577575150 but didn’t either because they’re incompetent or thru malicious intents. You’re defending it becuase you’re a retarded shill
>>577580646I love these pictures where people fighting faces are put next to one another.
>>577576317It was generic liscenced game slop really. It played worse than Shrek 2 for the GameCube or any Lego game.
Get fucked, Sonic
>>577581836I’m just gonna point you to your own post and let you realize how dumb and hypocritical you are >>577576708And because I know you’re slow I’ll further point you to the middle paragraph
>>577581998>Nigga it’s just simple logic.No, it's literally....LITTERALLY the pancakes/waffles meme.It's like if your dad told you to put on your seat belt and you took it as an implication he thibks youre gonna crash and can't drive.It's retarded and so is your "logic".Shit like this is how we get morons that say "Superman sees everyone on earth as pathetic weakling ants that are beneath him".No, nigga, that's you projecting!>>577581998>Apply this logic to Heroes...you mean where he used the power of the chaos emeralds to empower him and Knuckles? Where are the emeralds in the Colors scenario smartass?This is before we even get into the fact it was a team based game with a team based gameplay system.Because he sure as shit didn't have Tails go super with him in Unleashed, SA2, Rush, Rush Adventure, Adv 1, 2 or 3, 06 or Generations.It's not "lazy writing". The answer most games have for this is to not even write anything and just have Sonic do the fight without even addressing it. But somehow Colors going out of its way to have a moment where Sonic chooses to protect Tails is "lazy" because it didnt lead to the outcome you wanted?Im convicned you're just a comicfag who watches YouTube videos instead of playing the games at this point.No other way any of this coulf.make sense because youre talking about this shit like its a TV show or something.
>>577582686sonic fucks the purple and green ones but never the pink one because she's shit
>>577582789
>>577582673So character motivations and interactions just magically change based on the style of gameplay or who’s actually playable? Newsflash retard: THAT’S CALLED BAD WRITING. Shills like you excusing bullshit is how the franchise got to such a dire place, just so you know
>>577582180>And because I know you’re slow I’ll further point you to the middle paragraphYes because that is literally the conflict of the story. This is from the start of the story when they touch down non Lost Hex. Tails is being overly smug and arrogant for no reason. Then Sonic kicks the conch and the Deadly Six turn on Eggman and threaten to wreck the world by absorbing all its energy.Sonic and Tails agree to work woth Eggman begrudgingly to fix the mistake.Then the Egggan Tails scene happens where Tails os being arrogant again and sniper at Sonic for no reason.Then later Tails is being arrogant AGAIN and mouthing off on how much of a tech loser Eggman is compared to him, followed by him messing with his mechs and almost getting himself killed. Eggman saves him. Sonic calls them both out. Sonic says to Eggman how he is somehow able to contemplate genocide one minute before saving his enemy the next.Then he calls Tails out for not being careful and almost getting himself killed messing with Eggman's stuff.The above scene exists to set up the idea Tails is in fact being arrogant and Eggman obviously would understand his own tech better, further cementing yhe necessity of them working together.The story is obviously trying to set up fot the FoP epsiode scenario I pointed at earlier.Sonic later after jumping at a meme trap beats himself up for getting Tails caught in a trap because Tails bumps him and gets caught instead. And he vows to not make the same mistake again and save Tails to make up for it.So the obvious conclusion os for them to meet up, admit they both fucked up in their own way and then read up properly to save the day.....but this does t happen because the story is written like dogshit.Instead, Tails is just a tech savant who smugly scoffs at the D6 and reprograms the entire thing so he can fake out against them later when they deploy him against Sonic, and just fixes the Machine by himself while smugly going "i told you so"(cont)
>>577582180You could have had Tails be humble about it, maybe even admit Eggman's code is tricky. Even have him say "only because he codes like a moron" if you really had to, and have Sonic be the one to admit Tails did good he coulda believed in him more followed by Tails admitting he was being a smug douche and it didnt help.But no because that would make too much sense.Im not even judging it on the standards of being good characterization for the characters at this point. Im judging in on the basis of writing in general.LW is bad even by the amerislop nick jr writing standards it's set to.It would be like if that FoP epsiode just ended in AJ being smug and talking down to Timmy and Timmy was expected to just go "yeah you're right dude".Thr FoP epsiode is still ass but its at least coherent. LW is not. And you only defend it because you feel it puts Sonic down to glaze Tails.
>>577583812>Tails is being overly smug and arrogant for no reason. Then Sonic kicks the conchThis is what I’m fucking talking about!! You can’t actually explain how Tails drives the conflict, you can only bitch about how he acts, but it never actually leads to any of the actual plot conflicts. Then you literally ADMIT that Sonic’s tard ass causes the bad shit to happen and you don’t even acknowledge it! How the fuck can you blame me for rightfully putting together that this means you hate Tails and worship Sonic? Because that’s fucking obvious to anyone with a brain
>>577583073>So character motivations and interactions just magically changeThey didn't change though because there was no existing characterization around it to begin with.Sonic doesn't have a specific attitude around including or exclusive Tails tk begin with. This is what i am saying. You are making one up to validate your projection because you project your 2 inch dick inferiority complex onto the characters.
>modern sonic writing
>>577584712I fucking love Mexica art. I'm saving this.
>>577584247>Sonic doesn't have a specific attitude around including or exclusive Tails tk begin with.What the fuck are you talking about? Sonic has always let Tails be right beside him even through highly dangerous situations and enemies, all the way back to Sonic 2. Then Colors and beyond says “nah fuck you buddy this is the Sonic Only Show” and I’m supposed to just accept that? Fuck no. And you shouldn’t either but we know you hate Tails so you do
>>577584153>This is what I’m fucking talking about!! You can’t actually explain how Tails drives the conflict,I literally did.>you can only bitch about how he acts,The story literally frames how he acts as bad.This isn't be bitching about his behavior. This is me literally just describing the events of the story and ehat it is doing narratively. The point of Tails acting like this at the start is to set up the idea that he is full of himself and needs to be humbled.That's why the scene where Eggman saves him exists.But you're too busy trying to "defend and protect Tails getting to be an arrogant dick for some reason because you see it as Tails getting to ego battle with Sonic, who you have a weird obsessive hateboner for.>but it never actually leads to any of the actual plot conflicts.The "plot" of LW is about how the characters were being tools and need to learn to recognize they are being tools and #do better.If you think the point of thenstory is "Sonic is an idiot for kicking the cock and should listen to Tails more", I promise you i'm not the idiot.This isn't supported by what happens in the actual game.
>>577584712Very fitting for Knuckles. The Echidnas are based on the Maya people
>>577584784>Sonic has always let Tails be right beside him even through highly dangerous situations and enemies,Sonic and Tails' friendship is and was defined by Sonic doing his own thing, Tails following him, and Sonic letting him tag along but keeping an eye out for him to make sure he is okay.Its never been this thing where he grabs him.by thr hand and goes , yeah man you can handle fighting eldritch abominations dude. You're spinning a nattaive again.The situation in Colors wasn't "having enough power to beat Nega Wisp Armor".It was the fact that an entire Interstellar amusement park was collapsing into a fucking black hoel singularity.
>>577585135>keeping an eye out for him to make sure he is okayNo, this was never a thing until Colors. You can’t be this disingenuous
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>>577585486>No, this was never a thing until ColorsDude, i was literally describing their dynamic as layed out in Sonic 2's manual.Learn to read.
>>577585486>dodging this hard by making something up no one said.The post was talking about their dynamic historically in general in response to you making claims about what thei dynamic supposedly always was.Its clear youre just avoiding addressing the main point which is the fact Sonic did it because he didnt can't Tails to be caught in a singularity in space on a collapsing space theme park.The point was mever about beating Eggman.Sonic is only even fighting him to hold it off so Tails can go free since he cut them off at the exit.
>>577585607Chatting with friend about Star Wars.
>>577585713Then why was there never a single instance of that shown until colors, nearly 20 years later?
>>577585964It was still done in a way that took away Tails’ legitimacy as Sonic’s partner that was easily fixed in the DS version. Because of the larger issue of Sonic Team not caring about anyone besides Sonic for years before and after that game
>>577586054You mean like when he sends Knuckles to go check up on Amy in Tails in SA2? When has this specific scenario ever happened in a previous game where they have to escape a collapsing black hole singularity and someone or something prevents them from escaping while it is happening?It just didnt happen before.It's that simple.
>>577586508It doesn’t have to be the exact same specific scenario, it just needs to be “dangerous situation where Tails’ presence could help him”, of which there have been plenty
>>577586335>It was still done in a way that took away Tails’ legitimacy as Sonic’s partnerIt really didn't. They already foiled eggman. Eggman was doing an Andross "im taking you down with me" and Sonic decided to handle it and have Tails go to make sure he is okay.Thry even have Sonic force it to show Tails isnt being a coward or is incapable. Tails would have stood by Sonic but Sonic made the call.In no way is Tails' legitimacy harmed. Youre literally just making shit up to be mad about.Even after beating Eggman, Sonic still gets caught in the singularity. He still gets cooked. And its only because of the wisps saving him that he makes it back alive.
why didn't tails just use his super cool cybernetics from lost world to solve every problem the world ever hadis he dumb
>>577585607Can i eat your ass
>>577586749>to show Tails isnt being a coward or is incapableWell lucky for you they covered that in Forces anyway>Tails would have stood by Sonic but Sonic made the call.And that’s telling about Sonic, in a bad way. He doesn’t trust Tails to be able to handle himself. Imagine if Mario did that to Luigi
>>577586674>it just needs to be “dangerous situation where Tails’ presence could help him”,But that isn't the scenario in Colors. The scenario is "they are making a beeline for an exist to escape what is essentially a self destructive sequence and Eggman cuts em off at the exit.Because again, the point was never about fighting Eggman. This is not "Sonic is prepping to fight Eggman and decides "youre not tough enough to fight Eggman Tails, go home".Youre literally just media illiterate.>but Soni-Then I guess the OVA writers hate Tails too because Knuckles stops him from chasing Sonic and Metalhttps://youtu.be/f9PEeKE56Uk?t=1983You're just making shit up to be mad about.
>>577587091>Well lucky for you they covered that in Forces anywayStop changing the subject.Also that shit had context. But apparently character consistency only matters to yoy when it serves to glaze the character.>And that’s telling about Sonic, in a bad way. He doesn’t trust Tails to be able to handle himselfHandle what, retard? Tanking a black hole?The senario is not Sonic not trusting Tails to be capable of fighting Eggman. The scanrio is Sonic and Tails are both trying to escape before the entire park implodes and Eggman cuts em off at the exit.You have this warped perspective that this is Sonic and Tails walking up to the big bad to defeat him and Sonic "not letting Tails participate" when that isnt the scanrio whatsoever.And this is the problem with analyzing media in this retarded manner.Sonic's goal was not to look for Eggman in order to beat him. Sonic wanted to escape with Tails. Tails staying behind would literally accomplish nothing, indepednant of Tails capabilities. That was never the point or the issue.
>>577587131>I guess the OVA writers hate Tails tooI mean I could see it, that is where “Shut up Tails!!” came from
>>577587513What does "Shut Up Tails" have to do with anything? You're literally just a character launderer.Stop projecting so hard onto cartoon fox characters. It's unhealthy.
GIRRRRRL!
>>577587612Lots of people in the 90s thought Tails was annoying. Apparently that carried over a bit
>>577586016have either of you broken a vase yet?>>577587031that's where poop comes from, you know
>>577587809Broken a vase? Is that slang for having sex?
>>577585607>>577587809Stack?
>>577587880it is now
>>577587496>Tails staying behind would literally accomplish nothing, indepednant of Tails capabilities.And this is why I think you hate Tails. Him helping Sonic defeat Eggman quicker would’ve let them both escape quicker together. But apparently you and Sonic both think he’s worthless if he “would accomplish nothing”
>>577587774No, anon. Part of Sonic and Tails' dunamic at the time was Sonic cpuld/would find Tails to be annoying in the "he's your kid brother" kind of way. Their dynamic was based on Piccolo and Kid Gohan.
>>577588143>And this is why I think you hate TailsI'm done even entertaining you at this point.>>577588143>Him helping Sonic defeat Eggman quicker would’ve let them both escape quicker together.No it wouldn't! Sonic even at full run did not make it off. He wasnt even close. Tails would not make it if Sonic didn't. Him fighting woth Sonic would not make a meaningful difference. That's not even going over the fact the way it is defeated is by using all the power of the wisps whoch is something only Sonic can even do anyway.Nothing about this has jack shit to do with "hating Tails" or not.Why are you like this?
>>577588736>Him fighting woth Sonic would not make a meaningful difference.You think this because you (and Sonic Team) see him (and everyone else) as worthless, and it’s bled into the writing of games for a long time now and I hate it. That’s what I’m sick of
>>577560201Follow Me is supposed to about amy, big, cream simultaneously, the lyrics sound a bit romantic but if you pay attention it could also refer to platonic love.>>577560815I think the masculine-coded stuff is mostly being not as cutesy or lovey-dovey as amy, and being more in the leading position, takarazuka is a dance so if she teamed up with someone (whether it's silver or someone else) hypothetically she'd lead the attack first and someone else follows after or something. that and her japanese voice and grammar/manner of speaking is masculine, a jp fan said she spoke too girly like amy in speed sim jp ver once
>>577589126Stop projecting your worthlessness onto Tails. Sonic saved him because he cared about him. Not because he wanted to fight Eggman alone. Fighting Eggman wasnt the point or the goal. Eggman is literally just a "thing" cockblocking him from going home with Tails.But as you have demonstrated, all you care about is this weird entitlement to wikifeats, and your weird hateboner for me, Sonic Team and apparently Sonic himself for commiting the crime of being the main character.
>>577572098Nah, if anything Silver succeeded that'd be the only thing that could make her relevant. she just wasn't supposed to be super relevant in the first place because she's not a big console character. the same way cream isn't super relevant. silver himself isn't relevant enough to actually steal screentime from her nor are they as a duo prominent past 06.
I am bored of IDW in like 10 issues, should i continue? i prefer blade of courage and think IDW is a bit off but does it get better?
>>577589635If you like amazing digital circus you will like IDW
>>577589635What do you prefer about BoC?
>>577589524The point is that she had an actually promising start (despite not being on a “big console”, as if that fuckin matters) which was abruptly halted permanently by attaching her to Silver
>>577589382I care about what he means both as his own character and in his relationship to Sonic. They were both belittled there, period. And again, could’ve easily been fixed by just doing what the DS version did, but Sonic Team is incompetent
I feel bad for the idw staff. They have all these annoying mandates like no humans and stuff that make it look distinctly like Forces whole Blade of Courage gets to look like the 2000s games
>>577590097It does matter because sonic team sees it as less relevant again, cream is a good example for what i meanshe isn't even attached to silver past 06, silver himself isn't actually prominent past 06 and when he is in like rivals or forces blaze isn't there.
>>577590580(me)>>577590097The truth is that sonic team doesn't see her as a big popular name to worth promoting past rush, same way they don't see cream as worth investing anymore. that would be the case whether silver was there or not. if 06 was good and succeeded then that might've different but that's a hypothetical
>>577590754(me)She was even prominent on a few stuff without silver past 06 like rush adventure and Satbk (her doppelganger, but whatever) much like how cream was in a bunch of stuff like Heroes, X or Battle past advance 2, but after that they didn't see her as worth investing like the big core 4, and recently, shadow.
>>577590026I can't really put it into words, but the atmosphere? the dialogue and how they act, as well as the structure feels something like 00s sonic whereas IDW feels more like a milennial comic, idk
>>577591790Well I can't say IDW necesarily gets better in that respect then.I personally prefer IDW post MV arc. But that's in large part because it uses Amy better and I like Amy.
>>577592050I do like amy too but idk if i can stand a comic just because it uses one character better, maybe i'll keep reading after some stuff is done.
>>577557081>>577557524>>577582686>>577585616This trio is balanced too much to the masculine side.
>>577592306I mean sss doesn't exactly have a feminine masculine balance, does it?
>>577592625That would imply SSS has its femenine energy unbalanced.
>>577592856SSS being mostly masculine doesn't really mean female SSS has to be mostly feminine i think amy is sonic's heart while the others are mostly his powers
Cream = young sonic
Hi!
there is nothing wrong with hype moments and aura in sonic
Did someone say cream?
>>577593103She wants hedgehog dick
>>577593218Correct. Its all down to the relationship the series has with it.
>>577592997if SSS are super warriors, then female SSS must be magical girls!
>>577593584Blaze is one...Surge is the odd one
when i read evan's writing i feel like she should be put in charge of the slice of life moments and she should have a cowriter who is just a shonen sperg who wants to see action and explosions
>>577593584
>An unexpected database error occurred. Please try again later.fuck I need to submit my demo to sage 2026thats what I get for waiting until the last day
>>577594004what's cookin?
>>577593941Yes, women shouldn't be writing shonen content. No shit.>But woman canShut the fuck up. We've had decades of "men shouldn't write women" bullshit. Don't get mad at me holding you sacks of shit to your own standards.Hm, something about these hotpockets are making me cranky.
>>577594536Inuyasha
>>577561171Thinking about this, do we have a male character using ''female lens'' in some sense? people usually typecast tails as one but he's moreso a timid kid archetype that's still boyish rather than a feminine spirit or lens. i don't mean literally femboy but a feminine engine as driivng if that makes sense
>>577594615nta but takahashi rumiko is one in a billion
>>577594536Men can write women, Amy in sa1, sa2 etc. were written by men, Blaze was written by men, Rouge written by men, they were alright.
>>577594798(me)women can also write men or shonen like elements, i think western writers just self insert or use agendas too much.
>>5775946151) Exceptions exist to prove the rule2) How much of that was her and how much of that was her editors?
Bubsy 4d patched in a new %100 ending with the recent update. The devs really wanted to put down the "Oblivia is now a lesbian" criticisms. They even added new dialogue where Bubsy doesn't get shat on for once.Meanwhile, Amy is still a dyke. Fix this shit Sega.
>>577594796hiromu arakawa also exists
You can make a mechanic out of the fox.But you can't take the fox out of the fox.
i hate inuyasha so much its the gayest shit ever peddled by millennials as to being something boys would like it gives me the same level of anger as when people say 06 is something a boy would find cool no its gay and i wish we got more games like sonic heroes
>>577595483I fucking hate Inuyasha. People complain about padding in Naruto or Dragonball Z, but the progress in Inuyasha was glacial.
>>577595483Inuyasha was something I watched cause it was on TV. Find out in the sequel that Sheshomaru banged and impregnated Rin caught me off guard. Sheesh, didn't think THAT was his type.What the hell was Naraku's goal again? He wanted the Jewel but I can't remember why he wanted it.
>>577595454Agreed.>>577595483>as to being something boys would like Huh? Inuyasha is for girls. Even Yuyu Hakusho is less feminine.>>577595596Ironically the side characters in Inuyasha and Ghost Stories are infinitely more compelling than the main characters, more-so than Naruto's side characters.Why did I mention Ghost Stories? same issue with Inuyasha, same animators behind Naruto and same composer behind Inuyasha did the soundtrack for Gakkou no Kaidan.
>>577595823Excuse me, he WHAT?And I think he wanted it to become a full youkai, he hides it, but his origin is still of a half-youkai.>>577595873Ghost Stories at least had a memorable dub.>do you have any book written by black people?>YE!
>>577595926I'll just leave this here.https://inuyasha.fandom.com/wiki/Towa_Higurashi
>>577595996Huh. I didn't know there was a sequel. I remember trying to watch Inuyasha, and getting just SICK of "oh no Naraku hid on a mountain, GOTTA GO TRAIN".And also I awakened to sexual desire and I really just wanted to see the party take turns spanking Kagome.
>>577595873>Inuyasha is for girls.yeah I know this now but as a kid my unc ass brother and his friends kept trying to get me into it because I like anime and they kept pushing it on me with other shit saying since I like dragonball and bleach ill definitely like some inuyasha well guess what I didn't
>>577594285Nothin, sport. What's cookin' with you?>>577593947I like Amy's design in this one, but hate Blaze's design.I have very sophisticated tastes.
>>577596095Yeah, Rumiko Takashi's works tend to drag shit out forever. Urisai Yastsura and Ranma 1/2 were the same despite lacking real overarching plots.
>>577596243I don't get the fem tails obsession
I wish i could put my hands around you niggas necks.
>>577596572Because you're a woman. You forgot that, anonymous? I wonder why some people mistook me for a woman instead...Speaking of which the anon who request the werehog isn't going to like what I do to him, but I'm not doing this for pay. Despite me being into Pokemon and stuff which is considered furry, I am about to do something to that poor werehog that contradicts fur-loving people.
>>577596697your* niggers' necks* Learn, English.>I did it on purposeDon't care. Stop being uneducated. I better not hear any ya'll's and ain't's while I'm temporarily here. I know who you are, but at least pretend you're not who you are in a sensical way not in a "I want to be white, but still act like a nigger".This music still slaps as they once upon a time used to say.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlCK5RWO54E
>>577596251What a shame, really. I don't know if the mangas was the same, but the anime was just horrendous.
>>577596942I care. I keep doing uneducation. I better strangle (You) nigger necks and do as many typo as me can. Total euroESL winnery.Fiona slaps dropping harder than your violet cat music.
Damn, Surge's boyfriend looks very cute but he has quite a nasty side.These twos are pretty fun, they keep switch roles: sometimes Surge makes plans, sometimes Kit does, sometimes he wants to kill people, sometimes she does...
>>577597229The manga is the same. It was a weekly manga after all.
>>577596942You talk like an incel. You sound like you get no pussy (or dick if that's your thing) in your life.
My imagination takes me into weird but cool places that make sense once you see the full context.
>>577597653>it was a weekly...hah. Yeah, I saw what kind of necessity did to Garfield.
Ian Flynn's cancellation when? That's the only way to truly get rid of him. Not professionally fired and dying. His reputation needs to be tarnished.
>>577595873>>577596243Garbage.
Since Blade of Courage is licensed by IDW for the west, it's entirely possible for a crossover between the manga and the comic.
>>577597807Imagine pretending you can excommunicate people on the internet like the fucking catholic church did.
>>577597701Need to fix it, but this model takes forever to fix stuff.
>>577597936That's exactly what happened to the Rush Comics guys.
I thought Nips hated and actively boycotted Sonic?
>>577597950https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dzL-0FwT7M
>>577598059Most of all. Not all of them. That might surprise you, but Japan isn't made up of ten people.
>>577598008And how is that going for twitterfaggots?
>>577597701>>577597950>>577598076Garbage.
>>577597506You made me laugh, you bastard.Oh man Robotnik's bitch is just the kind of character you'd love to hatefuck and control and correct in a master-slave relationship. Most of these obese foids here would be all up in Fiona's ass(great Irish name, horrible personality) if Fiona was named Finn and was a bitchy guy.>>577597816>>577597680>incelibateThe full word is incelibate and unlike you I get plenty of pretty girls and good looking people hanging around me, unlike the SpEDs in here I pretend are invisible due to anonymity.Also consider using beta-orbiter or virgin instead of incel cause you show off how underage you are.I talk like a teacher, you fucking retard.God the amount of times I've heard actual teachers being called schizos, incels, virgins on this mongolian baskeweaving yellow penguin unfinished chingchong layout excuse of a website. Did you know most of the mods used their college-related emails?
>>577598206Worked out very well for them.
Only Robotnik can walk in a coffee and order a meal. You can tell he's evil, he doesn't say "please".
>>577598360I'd just double down on autism and if it doesn't works it's probably because scourge itself was a shit character, not much because they had a negative rection.
>>577598480Scourge+Surge is a pretty shit character that makes Manic have a good personality by comparison.Fleetway's Sonic beats the dogshit out of Scourge+Surge's personality that are too many IQs below the threshold to be taken seriously and have their dickishness mean something.
>>577598335No i'm pretty sure you talk like a retard with no academic authority but ship AIslop autism because let's say it, you're not talented to make anything.
>2nd place with wide open first place guy>throws red glove backwardsI don't understand?
>>577598335>starts seething from being called an INVOLUNTARY CELIBATENot beating the allegations autismo lol.
>>577598619>scourge+surge personalityWhat do i get?
>>577598635>No i'm pretty sure you talk like a retard with no academic authority but ship >authorityAnother submissive, obsessed only with power rather than the knowledge and culture itself. This is why 4chan is still under the control of Partap Ape Davis.Here, fag. Don't open this image or else you'll have a heart attack. Whatever you say, youngin. Go back to fixing trucks and third world farming equipment.
>>577598806You get the invention of STEREO.
>>577598635He's just your typical 4chan larper trying to flex imaginary achievements in front of everybody.
I genuinely love that in the comics, Robotnik is just considered a natural disaster.
Bro is not even talking about Sonic.
>>577599068>BroBlegh. Underage.
>>577599040This rabbit is probably a lesbian like all the other OCs.
>>577599132>And these 2 still look better and older than /sthg/'s typical members. You do not want to see what /sthg/'s members look like across the years.
>>577593941So you want Evan and Barnes to write something together
>>577599265Nta, but I think IDW just needs a new writer period.
>>577598984Hey i'm also a 4chan larper, show some respect.
>>577599194
>>577598887Ok incel.
why shadow so rude, calling vector a moron
to the anon who asked about buff men yaoi drawn by women go look at the flinsvar/ンズルカ tag. It's genshin impact men (Flins and Varka) that's pretty popular and the bigger one of them is the bottom usually. Fujos dont have a problem with feminizing buff men at all, they usually just go the route of making pecs seem like tits and degrading them for that. its very common. Sonic series doesnt have any buff men that are meant to be relevant or have common personality tropes so it's no wonder the focus is on the pretty men like Shadow and silver. If silver were bigger like Bark and vector, but the same personality he has now, he would be turned into a male milf instead of a twinky femboy.
>>577599672Shadow is autistic and has a hard time understanding humor or sarcasm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqnEIR9d7v8
Panic Porcupine is now Sonic 64.https://youtu.be/Z_pzb2rAJvA?si=z1hvz-e05dv91ttQInteresting to see how Sonic would look on the Nigger64.
*trips kit*
>>577592306>>577592625>>577592856>>577592997This wraps back around to how Amy and Silver are the odd ones out. In SSS, Sonic and Shadow are the masculine ones while Silver is more recessive. For fem SSS, there is also two masculine sides in Blaze and Surge with Amy being the girly girl that balances both.
https://x.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/2087932247219519711
>>577599669Very well, underage obese woman, flipping burgers for BigChad Millennials.
if evilwhy cute
>>577600281this is just if sonic combined with crash
>>577556775Interesting how basically all of this was abandoned, but Shitver posters never complain about SoJ's depiction of her going forward being OOC, unlike their complaints about "uwuver."
>>577600318>trip
>>577600382I don't think Silver is supposed to be ''feminine'' i suppose there's the glasses incident but in terms of his actual actions he doesn't really act feminine or play a feminine role.I guess if they had to lean into it maybe since takarazuka is like a dance, it will be like blaze attacking first then silver following, much more metaphorical than the masculine girl stuff.
If people can talk this much about Amy, Blaze and Surge, there's probably something to it. You don't see this with Tangle, Whisper and Lanolin who looks more and more pointless the more it's argued in here. They're on their way to being Chaotix tier, nobody actually cares about them and why Surge gets obvious favoritism in the mobile games. If Tangle and Whisper weren't the faces of idw Sonic, they'd have been forgotten ages ago.
>>577600632loves getting abused by fang
>>577600430That's right, burger flipping incel.
>>577600771That's right, burger flipping incel woman.
HORRRYYYY SHEEEETTT
>>577600382>amy's tarrotble cards again
>>577600485Sonic mixed with Super Meat boy. I don't think anyone has done Sonic mixed with Crash...Cause Crash is just Sonic Ass.
>>577600842Rouge and Sally are for me to fuck
Man I fucking love these comics.I love that narration thing where you get to see another aspect of a character. It doesn't cancel who they are, it just makes them deeper.
>>577600580They aren't abandoned, they just aren't relevant, she's less ooc and moreso relegated to support, for when she's ooc or irrevelant, it doesn't have to do with silver and silverfags aren't obligated to bat for blaze, especially if they should seperate like you say.
>>577600852It just gives me an early 90s Crash vibe. I don't think it's like Super Meat Boy but I've only watched videos of that.
>>577600927(me)i talked about it but the true reason why she's irrevelant is because sonic team legitimately sees her as cream tier in terms of priority due to originating from a dimps handheld, talking about silver and 06 all day isn't going to fix this.
>>577600661>Tangle, Whisper and LanolinThey're only in 1 comic which isn't very interesting to begin with. It's hard to talk about side characters. If you're more boring than Blue Garfield then you're doing something wrong.The sheep is for "Yes sir" interactions only.Also SEGA DON'T HIRE THIS MAN, GIVE HIM THE KEYS TO THE IP INSTEAD. You're done, SEGA.Most Sonic fans complain too much about a mascot character, but I agree that Sega is so disgusted and incompetent with their blue hog that they can't even shill him correctly like Alvin and the Chipmunks.Sega are especially too arrogant and literally consider Sonic to be SEGAtm, might as well call him SEGA the Hedgehog. While ironically at the same time treating him with the disgust and love Jim Davis has for Garfield. You know you fucked up when Japs know who Garfield is more than Sonic.
>there is a shill itt rn
>>577600661I've seen people talk about Whisper a lot due to her strong backstory and concept and Lanolin has that essay. Tangle seems like the least discussed of the crying lesbians.Making Whisper the low-tier gimmick character of the group is a brutally accurate read on her.
>>577600842Well don't just post it like that without context. Tell us what it is.>Can't you Google the name?No, we are le lazy/retarded. We require spoonfeeding on the level of baby birds in their nesting place.
>>577600947This is actually the 2nd/3rd game in the Panic Porcupine series.https://store.steampowered.com/app/1820570/Panic_Porcupine/There's another game in development being done by a former Sonic Mania Dev.https://bsky.app/profile/ryan.makesvideogames.com/post/3lpr5xhurik2rFor whatever reason, PP keeps going and going and going and going....
>>577601131>Whisper a lot due to her strong backstory and concept and Lanolin has that essayThey're only ever talked about for what went wrong with the comic. Tangle only stands around on hug duty. Discourse is not the same as popularity. Outside of it, people don't actually care for any of their characters besides forced virtue signaling and it shows. Surge is the only idw oc people engage with like a regular Sonic character and you can tell SOJ knows.
>>577574321Kino
>>577601257Cool.>being done by a former Sonic Mania Dev.Kek doesn't mean shit. Don't forget Big Red Button was just a group of former Naughty Dog devs.>For whatever reason, PP keeps goingProbably because it's a passion project.
This one issue is carrying the dreams of so much fan drivel.
>>577600842>Sonic girls dating sim>PC is not a human, but Sonic>No Vanilla, but Elise insteadThe creator is playing on hard mode.
>>577601430>Probably because it's a passion project.Maybe but he's not the only Sonic clone by this dev. Said dev also did Polyroll which is getting a sequel this year.https://store.steampowered.com/app/2436130/Polyroll_Pocket/Whatever this dev is taking, he should stick to it cause this kind of productivity is uncommon.
>>577600580If you guys want them to be seperated then telling silverfags to care about blaze as much as they care about silver is counterproductive.
Hey, anon.Get on a treadmill you fat fuck.
I bet this is a cute japanese Sonic fan girl.
>>577601665I bought one, they should deliver it next week and i can't wait to burn out my shitty skinnyfat body so i can self-insert better when i mansturbate.
>>577601350Fandom engagement:Whisper and Lanolin = Silver-tierSurge = Shadow-tier
>>577601852forgot muh pic.
>>577600842Amy. No other option.
>>577597680Typical of a highschool drop out to screech against getting an education. >Yooo-youuuu're not my parents!!!!If only you had listened to your parents at the right time.
>>577600842Why the fuck is Rouge in a Sonic harem? I fucking hate these self inserters. Rouge is for shadow.
>>577602143Dating sims are for self-inserting in their conception.
>>577597680>>577602017Hey, what is going on with you two? Kill yourselves or kiss, I don't care which one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIG56GmU8Vw
Who the fuck keeps spamming AI femTails threads on /v/? I wouldn’t put it past someone from here to be that autistic.
