Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9635 - Pass the Coffee Edition==NEWS==>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond short animation in Fall 2026https://youtu.be/ZOdpBJdeOhI>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on 19 March 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie>Netflix animated series for preschoolers with attitude in productionhttps://variety.com/2026/film/news/crazy-taxi-movie-netflix-sega-sonic-stranger-than-heaven-1236861148/==COMICS==Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #3 - 14 October 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #91 - 28 October 2026Sonic and the Blade of Courage #17 - October 2026==OTHER==>Booruhttps://sthg.booru.org/>Linkshttps://rentry.org/sthglinks>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru>Support BoC!https://bookwalker.jp/series/568134/list/Previous Zone: >>583403003
I still want Sonic's eyes in a jar.
Maria got spanked. I'm happy.Any Sonic mod for Ratatan?
btw if the place dies there's always /v/, it won't be like a family but you can bump the bumps.
>>583437802Cool Sage.
>>583443153Yes, its why I always found the "highways in the sky over a bottomlesspit" complaint to be fucking retarded when jt comes to Sonic. It feels like midwits who compared it to Collectathon crap and went "mario doesnt have this why does sonic?!"Meanwhile when.those games did have linear sections and Mario made linear 3D games, they did the same shit
>>583447729>Dr nefarious is actually competent and ratchet is a dumb girl who can't do shit?Not exactly. The implication is that Rivet can't beat Nefarious cause she's alone. Ratchet has Clank and together they can save the universe. Rivet didn't have that thus Nefarious has been ruling the galaxy for ten years. That's also why she lost her arm. Also, she doesn't trust robots or something.Makes sense. Banjo wouldn't be able to be Gruntilda without Kazooie and vice versa.
>>583447284You understand Sonic, I'm fact Sonic would want you to touch him all over his tummy and give him a proper belly rub massage
>>583448840Only the movies can save Sonic Forces from becoming the eternal but off the joke in the Sonic fandom. Because what are they going to turn into a movie after Sonic 06, colors? Lost world? Please >UnleashedInfinite > Werehog
>>583451192Forces is good though.
>>583451374Art is good
>>583451192>Infinite > Werehogharam
I haven't touched a Sonic game in months.
>>583451817Not IDW art.
>>583452842I played some Origins just earlier this week.
>>583452943which game specifically
>>583452935?
>>583453085Sonic 1, with Amy. For some reason, I beat that game with Sonic and Tails, but it only recorded Tails.
Guptill is better than approximately %40-60 of sonic fanbase
This was very OOC for Tangle.
>>583453237
rawr xD
*headpats your OC*
>>583453964Slow thread, huh?
>>583454237it's the early morning, makes sense it's slow right now
>>583454340Oh, right, time zones. And euros fucked off.
Tails!
He is so pretty!!!!!!!
Evil Sonic vs good Shadow, who wins?
>>583455150Shadow is already functionally good.
Blackwood is loved...by fujos who wants to see him stab Silver Aerith-style
>>583455319he truly is a success
>>583455271
>>583455150So Scourge vs regular Shadow?
>>583455468Not sure what this is meant to say as a rebuttal.
>>583455568>>583455480Shadow isn't a good guy, and he will kill humans and mobians alike if he believes that's how Maria's wish should be preserved. He is a dangerous schizophrenic walking hazard
:D
>>583455660Yeah sure, we can talk about what-ifs, but what has he actually done post SA2 that hasn't been ultimately for good?
>>583455731Iizuka being incompetency doesn't change it. He said this while Shadow Gens was being marketed ,and he said they are making more Shadow games. So expect more Shadow as a villain
>>583455926I'm not expecting anything off of a half-baked interview response. I'm sure a lot is said in the brainstorming meetings, the whole point is throw ideas at the wall and see what the team jives with the most.
>>583455660>mobians
Tails & Cream
pawbains...
Sonic & Tails!
>>583455731The current manga is the only media that is showing Shadow's more villainous tendencies.
What the fuck was tails doing in there?
>>583456496We don't know what Shadow is doing in BoC yet, I doubt the explanation is as simple as him working for Eggman for no reason, that wouldn't make sense>>583456560Well the color matches, and he's small
>>583456185Forced heteronormative garbage.They don't interact with each other in the games.
>>583456773kys homodeviant.
>>583456846Bold defense for them not interacting with each other in the games, Tailschud.
>>583456773Same sex pairings are cute too. I like the pic you posted as well>They don't interact with each other in the games.They should!
>I bet the Sonic team is cooking an amazing game with all this silence
Amy & Cream :)
>>583456773Cream doesn't really need to be shipped
Silver art...kinoSonic art....slop
Kids!>>583457087Every character needs to be shipped
>>583451192Oh that's the>using more movie adaptations to fix the negative-reception games....BEST idea I've ever heard in my LIFE, yoi're hired!
>>583456609Shadow clearly has his own agenda going and is willing to work for Eggman to fulfill it.
If you're somehow confused or bothered that Shadow is working for Eggman in BoC you are literally a subhuman. I am not kidding. You are a fandomfag. Get the fuck off Discord and go actually watch the content you talk about. If you're still confused you are an actual retard and the reason they're making preschooler content now, so it doesn't confuse you anymore. Stupid piece of shit. Then you wonder why thy redeem every villain, it's because of subhumans who are mad at morally grey characters and think you mean "another shade of good" when you say moral greyness.
>>583451192Shadow murdered these niggas in that pic btw.
>>583457192Yeah, that's what I think too. No clue what adventure he has going on though, I'm curious for when it will be explored. Since he was involved in both arcs this also confirms to me that the sword is still relevant to whatever is going on with these monsters from the new arc. Though that should be obvious from the title of the series, some (shit)posters were doubting it
>>583457275Isn't Forces really vague about it?
>>583455660Being an Anti-Hero makes you a good guy
>>583456929Why? They don't have anything in common.This is the biggest problem with Taiream. What would they even talk about? The only argument for it is 'they're young' which doesn't even really work because defined ages were delisted and Sega is deemphasizing them moving forward. What would Tails and Cream even talk about, 'thank you for fixing Gemerl he makes me cupcakes', 'you're welcome Cream'.'You know, Mr. Tails has a big heart but sometimes he's a bit of a scaredy cat.''I, uhh, well... I can't say you're wrong Cream :('.There isn't really anything to explore there. Like, does Tails visit her to research her chao at her mother's chao garden? That's like the only thing I could think of and even then Tails could just raise his own chao since he canonically has before. There's not really any reason for the two to interact. Tails is a Sonic orbiter. Cream isn't, not really in any meaningful sense. Maybe Cream goes to Tails and asks to join him and Sonic on the tornado for an adventure? But that's more Tails as a means to an end and her interacting with Sonic which is a far more developed relationship.The problem with Taiream is that it often feels like 'propping up Tails with a cute girlfriend to throw him a bone' rather than 'something good for Cream's character'. Taiream does nothing for Cream and mostly exists to make her a trophy wife for Tails. I question how much one who is deeply into Taiream actually cares about Cream more than just as a vehicle for them self-inserting as Tails, self-inserting as Cream (because they wanna fuck Tails like Wendy), or some autistic fixation with 'MUH AGE BRACKETS' which discard actual characterization in favor of slander and headcanon.
>>583457397nobody cares pedo
>>583457261I don't excuse Knuckles for getting duped by the one guy who has reliably and consistently done nothing but fuck them over every chance he gets, why would I excuse Shadow?
>>583457295I kinda wonder if it's related to the monsters Eggman created or something deeper. Shadow worked for him while Amo was still a threat, so I wonder if it's something not yet revealed.
>>583456920They hardly interacted over 20 years, but interaction is bullshit.
>>583457432YOU'RE SUCH A FUCKING RETARDYOU LITERALLY CANNOT COMPREHEND IT
>>583457368He's so beautiful!!!!!>>583457397>Why? They don't have anything in common.Because it's cute and I like itNot reading the rest of the post lol
>>583457379He definitely killed them, but they didn't use the word "killed" because it would sound too brutal, but Infinite's reaction and us never seeing them again speaks volumes.
>>583457480Mhmm, thought so.
>>583457368>bottom
>>583457397https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/580424206/#q580451091
>>583457397>The only argument for it is 'they're young' which doesn't even really work because defined ages were delisted and Sega is deemphasizing them moving forwardAh ok, it's just violet and i can ignore this schizo tranny.
>>583457562Yes anon we can tell who that is you don't need to point it out for those out of the loop, try to keep some sense of anonymity
>>583457580I wish he'd ack
>>583457562KEEEEK i knew it was violet because the faggot uses the same arguments every time.
>>583457712he's purposely trying to be identifiable so he can be praised as a good lore master like sparky. it will never happen.
Cream & Blaze!
>>583457780I don't care about this and it's weird you think I do. The only person obsessed with glazing me is Slashy.
>>583457676Soon.
>>583457820you talk about yourself in the third person everyone can tell you know
>>583457876I don't do that. It's Slashy.
>>583457893yah ok nobody believes you
>>583457820>>583457893Anyway, you shouldn't take Taiream so seriously. The main reason it's liked it's because it's cute. Some also like the idea of them growing up together and making a traditional couple. You're looking at it too deeply. It's fine if you prefer other ships
Grrrrrrr
>>583457780It will never happen because sparky has a more holistic understanding than bullshit "this game has a love song so they fuck" and then ask AI to make a wall of text out of it.
>>583457397>>583457820>>583457893Don't you have some foid to get mad over on twitter instead of wrecking our thread
>>583457712Not into shitty stuff like sontails or tailamy like violet but taiream is still pointless, i think cream should be a character more focused/expanded on familial relationships instead of being more romantic/semi-romantic focused like other female characters. she should be like Shelley instead of mary garnet.
>>583457959Are Silver and Blackwood actually Spiderman and Jean?
>>583457485..................where's his tail?
>>583458000https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRugcnYXYCA
>>583458020I don't even care that much, i just shit on xher retarded yurifaggotry deviancy that smells like shit. Violet will hang from a ceiling.
>>583457967Said love song is only used lyrically for sonic/elise anyway, the sonic 2 one is lyricless.
>>583458042That's Blackwood and DAPPLE doe.
>>583457712>>583457780>>583457967Remember that thread where Sl4shy posted one of his twitter stream things and vi0l3t was on there and it just sounded like some dude, like completely nonpassing
>>583458179Nobody cares.
>>583458214There's a video of it?>like completely nonpassingCan't expect anything from a terminally online faggot in a dress.
>>583458214KEKKK the one with the lisp? I thought i was the only one who remembered that or i dreamt it
Can all this guy do is poorly try to gaslight newfags with history revisionism? Outside of that, blatant shitposting and malding about foids I don' think this dude does anything else. What a low class poster. Can't even call him a shitposter because most people don't even take his bait.
>>583458179I don't care to validate or invalidate the shipping argument, but My Destiny is the song that's explicitly for Elise, I think Sweet Sweet Sweet/Sweet Dream is used more so to represent the game being an anniversary celebration and its intent to reinterpret some of the original concepts for the series, the lyrics don't really have anything to do with Sonic and Elise>>583458214Cute pic but can you please cut it out with this off topic trash
>>583451192Technically they still haven't done SA1, so Chaos is a thing.Frontiers seems easy enough to do at some point. Introduce Sage as well.Colors with Yacker and the Wisps could go hard desu. People rightfully criticize the game more now but Colors' premise is actually pretty strong.And whether you want to admit it or not, the D6 would make for a great movie villain squad for the cast to fight. There is even 6 of em so each cast member gets an enemy.Emerl, The Rogues, Blaze, Chaotix and Cream don't feel substantive enough though.
>>583458381you're fine with off topic trash when it suits you faggot
>>583458231I am saying that even by violet's own argument the song's romantic context in the lyrics aren't there in the game. it's just a similiart melody and is more arbitrary than s/he thinks.
>>583458184Dapple is gay and lame>I'm gonna do this with or without you Silver>Gets mind controlled and it's the reason Silver failed>Fuck I'm gonna beat his ass next time>Immediately needs saving because the cave did collapsing This is why Silver prefers men
>>583458458i just despise trivia shit like this... but ok
Is Sonic DX the correct version to play Adventure 1 on PC?
>>583458381No you are a piss sucking dick lickin faggott with two ts
>>583455660They said functionally good.
>>583458458The song was released alongside the game's original Japanese release and led to numerous Japanese Sonic fans at the time shipping the two characters and/or presuming that Tails was a girl. This is reflected in period typical doujinshi and fan discourse that has been archived from that era of the JP internet. Even JP Amy fans poked fun at it.
>>583458381It's used in the credits for the sonic story
>>583458436You must be thinking of someone else>>583458458>it's just a similiart melody and is more arbitrary than s/he thinks.It's not arbitrary, it's the same exact melody and it is intended to be that song. The song is included in the official album release of the Sonic 1 & 2 soundtrack.
>>583458434>And whether you want to admit it or not, the D6 would make for a great movie villain squad for the cast to fight. There is even 6 of em so each cast member gets an enemy.
>>583458478Does silver have an actual notable dynamic with male characters? i am not even saying it is romantic, but the only notable dynamics silver has besides the SSS stuff is all female characters
Tails would say that kissing is icky.
>>583458663He should've had more dynamics with male characters now that i think about it
>>583455731That alt routes in Shadow05. But those relied on him not having his memories. But its still in him to do that shit. It didnt go away.
>>583458536It is a way to play it. I don't know what qualifies as "correct". Just play what you want to play. The PC version has problems with the graphics and some glitches that might not be in other versions. There are also 2 PC versions. I think most people nowadays recommend getting it on Steam and installing a bunch of graphics improvement mods that come with the mod loader. I think all this autism has caused the game to become less accessible. People are only going to care about these details if they absolutely love the game, no one is going through extra steps just to check it out for the first time. Unless you're one of those people who like to scream "THIS IS UNPLAYABLE TRASH" at any minor bug, you probably can just play whatever version you have and worry about finding the perfect version later. Though if you're that type of person you might not like SA1 to begin with>>583458593This is irrelevant to everything I said
>>583458663Yes, he meets one, then and he gets humbled by them. Everyone can leave his mark in the Silver train
Actual period accurate JP Sonic fan understanding of Tails' character circa 1994.
>>583458912Yeah it's true, I've seen some stuff as well. Though I don't like when it's off model or when they make Tails a girl, both I think were much more common at the time unfortunately
>>583457397>her interacting with Sonic which is a far more developed relationship.They spoke 2 times and in both it's sonic blowing her off and telling her not to get into trouble.Tails and Cream have more going on unironically.
>>583458829The PC version has heavy graphical changes, though, and more bugs. The mod loader's stuff just makes it accurate to Dreamcast, both graphically and by fixing DX-introduced issues to make it more stable, while letting you keep things like Game Gear games, mission mode and etc. SA1 is an already messy game, but DX still has many issues.
>>583458825Yeah, but following event don't continue on from any of those endings. They're just what-ifs, and solely dictated by the player. Literally a "but what if Shadow is EVIL???" would just be Shad05 2: Electric Boogaloo.Shadow's actions still ultimately end up working toward good/heroic ends, even if he's an ass about it. He is functionally good.
>>583458536>>583458829Reminder even Sega employees play SA1 PC with DC mods.https://dreamcastify.unreliable.network/ for why vanilla PC is the incorrect version.
Chudow
Extinction can't come fast enough for this place.
>>583459085Didn't say otherwiseDX also fixed and improved some things, so it's not simply a matter of Dreamcast being better. PC with mods is probably the most polished version, but that's just gonna scare away potential new fans, so I wish people would stop recommending that as an entry point. These are details for autistic nerds who love the game, not a casual first time playthrough. There was an entire era where most kids started playing SA1 through downloads of the first PC version, sometimes stripped down versions that erased all but 1 music in the soundtrack, and they ended up loving the game and learning more about it, that was the most popular way to play it for a long time before people got obsessed with GameGrumps shitting on the game
It's so strange how 90's Japanese furrys are almost indistinguishable from American furrys made around the same time and even up to the mid 2000's.I think Pokemon might have been the reason why Japanese furrys started focusing more on being cutesy and moe rather than cartoony.
>>583459194
Super Sonic & Super Tails!
Despite SA1 and SA2 having thousands of mods, there are no mods that expands upon the levels with more routes and shit
>>583459550Sounds like needless clutter to already fine levels.
>>583458558>presuming that Tails was a girlThat happened in general even in english territories despite the lack of context or hearing the song.Tails' design just read "girl" to a lot of people in general back then.
>>583459684This is why she kind of should have just been a girl and she would be in a better position with the brand in my opinion.
Sonic, Tails, and Amy!>>583459550Modern SA2 does exactly what you described https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyS_0m5QAksNot sure if he's done it for stages past City Escape though yet
>>583459550The only mods people want to play are restorations, You have to be a special kind of autistic to want to play some delulukid's levelhack project.
>>583458627The D6 manipulating all machinery on thr planet and hunting everyone down eith plans to drain the planet of its energy to feed themselves for revenge is fine.
>>583459475Fair point, i should focus on leaving.
>>583459095>following event don't continue on from any of those endings. They're just what-ifs, and solely dictated by the player.Sure but its still canon. Canon isn't just "what things happened on the timeline".
>>583459729Tails is perfect as he is
>>583459747I checked, yes he hashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy4OaVx5GJIMetal Harbor starts completely different. I've imagined something like that years ago, connecting it to the cutscene. Cool
>>583459905If it existing yet providing no consequence is enough for you, then sure. I can concede that.
>>583456220Jess...
>>583459550Ive seen entire custom levels for SA2.https://youtu.be/uVYxpRu9GCA?t=40
>>583459729No. Also we arent doing this again, you weirdo. I've been in tranny spaces. I know what you are.
Wanting Tails to be a woman is so dumb and lame and stupid and ugly and retarded and stuff
>>583459729No thanks, if you can't make a good character without gooner shit then don't do it.
>>583460970>without gooner stuffA lot of shotafags want to fuck male tails so I don't see how this changes anything.
>>583459787If that's all there is to it, Infinite will face no opposition for the movie 6 spot
>>583459776those expansion mods with custom/heavily remixed levels are never good lol. even when one has a decent grasp on level design/signposting/tweaks mechanics, they offset it by getting some discord friend to do their shitty jason griffith impression and give sonic light-up shoes
>>583453442In which way?Being hesitant and considering ramifications for her actions and strategizing her choices?Yes, very ooc.But also, even if unintentional from the writers, it was subconsciously learned by Lanolin being a cunt 95% of the time.Even if you try not to hold someone to their actions, you will naturally start to develop innate methods to circumvent their predicted reactions without even realizing it.
>>583458184>she eats napalm for breakfasti have a new crackship
>>583458127>hates Yuriwhat a faggot
Misogyny franchise
fujo franchise
>>583460083It's a bit more than that. Canon means "true to the text".Everything in Shadow05 is canon, independant of what parts of it "happened" or not.All the endings reeal truths about his character or things he can or would do uncertain certain circumstances.
>>583460998It changes for the sake of quality, the character is just hollow for a broader audience that is not a niche of online degenerates.
>>583461019Bro thinks a story is just a WWE death Battle fight.Infinite needs the whole Eggman world takeover. The Rookie rivalry even.
Why did she do it?
>>583461371Yes, but I've already acknowledged the presence of what-ifs. I understand there are scenarios where you can write Shadow as a villain/more villainous. However, the version of Shadow that is meant to be the regular, consistent interpretation as we currently understand it is a good guy. Regardless of how terse or abrasive he behaves, he is still working toward a positive/good end.Even if they were to put Shadow in a villainous light, he'd be absolved of his actions somehow, either by a misunderstanding or some hasty redemption. They would not allow an act of villainy from him to stick, or not shrouded in some kind of ambiguity. He's still somehow be shown buddy-buddy with the other cast members the literal next outing.
>>583461808She wanted to be a mother.
Thoughts on Severed Soul?https://youtu.be/K_CqUqWtXrs
>>583462189>synthwavekek why is it always synthwave with AI covers
>>583461848Oh for sure
>>58346227690% of the channel is labelled as synthwave but it is in reality metal shitThat's one of the few tracks that actually is synthwave
>>583462189>>583462396I saw a video of a Sonicfag musician making fun of how lazy this slop is
Kind of sad remixes died to AI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1-7DPkNAh0
Requests for those who missed it last thread
Good morning
>>583462516>Arnold Gay>warFor incels>huge boobsBased>metalBased
>>583462954Good morning Barryfriend!
>>583462954good morning
Get back to work
>>583464018you're right, time to draw
>>583462950You should add it to the booru
>>583464423
Please we REALLY need to justify adding it back to OP ok
>DINDU NUFFIN... Who you calling a black hedgehog????
>>583464423Can you fuck off already, nobody uses that shit.
>>583462865I'd be more opposed to the AI if we ever got any interesting compositions, but everything from the 2010s was either a note for note cover of the original or EPIC METAL COVERAt least there's a bit more variety now
>>583464679but we cannot allow the bigwhiteboardanons to win....
>>583464519>>583464632>>583464679Duofag...
>>583464884I am NOT!!! inb4 phonepostingI should starting using browser, fuck concenience i guess
Triofag when?
Douge
>>583465212cnc cnccnc cncgeh geh
>>583465069Why phone-post if you are not to troll?
>>583465359NTA but its simply more convenient
>>583465359Because I have a hand condition and the accessibility is easier on my fingers but you guys are always jerks about it so why bother
>>583464808Fair. Also we get more covers of different songs instead of thr same handful.I've been stuck listening to the same Amy's Room cover for a decade that barely sounded different.
>>583466157I can't believe they called evil AU Tails "Nein"
Prime is better than X. Sonic X is really bad for most of the show but is loved for the same 7 episodes everyone likes. The rest of the show is horrible
X is better than Prime. Sonic Prime is really bad for most of the show but is loved for the same 7 episodes everyone likes. The rest of the show is horrible
>>583466354>Sonic X is really bad for most of the show but is loved for the same 7 episodes everyone likes. The rest of the show is horribleTRVKE>Prime is better than X.....
>>5834663547 good episodes is better than 0 good episodes
>>583466354Prime season 3 was such total trash garbitch bro that I can't take this take srslyalso Prime made Eggman (or his clones or whatever) the least entertaining thibg in the show. EGGMAN! That takes CONCERTED effrot
Japanese fans really love Amy im noticing.
>>583466354>Prime is better than X.NoX at its worst is comparable to most of Prime in terms of enjoyability factor, and thats before accounting for Prime's inferior writing and premise.
>>583459729I don't see how, i'm not a big tails fan but even so, him being a boy adds more nuance and relatibility to his relationship with sonic where it's an insecuure younger boy having a cool role model to look up to and be inspired by, idk how him being an imouto type would be an improvement.>>583460406ex-troon?>>583461848this is more of a subtext thing than the actual straightforward story but black doom and mephiles represent a darker shadow/what if of shadow himself, thus all shadow focused stories are him stopping himself from dooming the world.. like it was on sa2
>>583466724Japanese standards for an attractive/ideal female character focuses more on cuteness rather than ''cool tomboy'' or ''sexy t/a bombshell'' not saying those archetypes can't exist or become popular in japan.
>>583466724who cares what Japanese fans think? They're the periphery demographic
I remember how hard I pogged when they announced the Shadow fall arc in Archie.>hollyshit 4 issues about Shadow?That was in 2014 10 years before the year of Shadow. 2004 was also a year of Shadow in a way because he was brought back from the dead. What's in for Shadow in 2034?
>>583466836>this is more of a subtext thing than the actual straightforward story but black doom and mephiles represent a darker shadow/what if of shadow himself, thus all shadow focused stories are him stopping himself from dooming the world.. like it was on sa2Yeah, i'm.impressed you caught that.Black Doom represents his genetic material reality. The conditions of his creation and why he was made.Mephiles is the shadow of Shadow. He too was messed with and abused by humanity and seeks to punish them for their sins and presents him with the fact humanity will always fear him.
best sthg crashout
>>583467217not the Fang one? the one that was at least on-topic?
>>583466650Sonic Prime could've been good if they focused more on what-could've-been-Miles and his relationship to Sonic since that was the real heart of the show, and made all the other AU characters and settings one-shots. Sadly, things went downhill after they recycled them all for Season 2, and even putting aside the budget, the show's creators didn't do the research to really do the plot justice.
>Eggman watching Pokemon cartoons and getting mad Nintendo caved to g1 shipfags
>>583467217>destroyed randomfox's latest spergout
>>583467297There is nothing worse than when your favorite character is getting uwufied by the fans
>>583466994I think it matters because the way they enjoy Amy reminds me of the way I and other fans of Amy prior to the Amy era saw and enjoyed the character.It kind of represents to me at least a window into how Amy is "supposed" to be seen, if it werent for all the periphery natratives and slander placed onto her unfairly.>>583466964Sure, but it's the things they point out and enjoy that I am noticing. They specifically highlight her oneitis as cute and endearing and her bonding things and people with her hammer and her temper, and a lot of highlighting how meeting Sonic allowed her to grow and change people's fate through makong an impression on them.These are things I feel like we Amyfans have to explain to people to get them to "get it" yet Japanese fans understand and appreciate frame one.I also see a LOT of posts about how strong she is. Like, they will talk about her in the olden days as being strong.In contemporary English spaces, this is anathema. People view her as "only kond of strong NOW" and often center her being weaker than everyone else as a virtue of the character, some even saying her being strong kind of betrays the image of her as "the normal one"I think it kind of highlights how sort of warped our priorities and ability to interpret female characters is over here in general.
>>583467686this is so genuine, i have much respect
>>583467147unfortunately it's hard to explain to people because before we get to subtext mephiles motivation isn't explained well enough for normals to understand, 06 is one of my fav sonic stories but it kind of expects you too infer too much.
I don't want anything, i just want to watch it all burn and perish.
>>583467757 (me)Also I don't even really see shipping discourse around Amy at all in Japanese spaces. It's just people talking about her character. That's another thing i noticed that's very different. JP spaces tend to focus on either just enjoying the characters or analysis, whereas English and western spaces focus on dickmeasuring, whether is powerscaling, shipping, arguing who is more relevant, or who is more "deserving" of shilling, etc.There are still convos about different eras and stuff, but it's a lot different.
>>583467686It sucks whenever Evan is right about something because everyone who hates her is fucking justified
Evan Stanley cannot draw human women
>>583467217
>>583464423Do it yourself.
>>583467757I think the ''normal'' part might be related to japanese being less likely to self insert or view the animal characters as civilians, so amy by being a blobian is expected to not be normal.and i agree her being strong or cool isn't the problem, BoC had cool ''aura'' moments for amy without betraying her.
>>583468315This is extremely accurate
>>583466724>Japanese fansYeah all 7 of them
>>583468315The only reason Yusuke and Botan avoided this is because the main love interest is a tsundere who was introduced before her
>>583457069maybe cream and amy's relationship would be more convincing if they didn't lock amy behind twenty fucking eight emeralds in cream's debut game
>>583468392>>583468129Well, the japanese spaces don't really ship sonic with other characters in my experience unless it's yaoi and also there's less moralfagging around there so you don't need to prove whatever you ship is ''superior'' or whatever. i've heard a small portion of the japanese fanbase had displeased reactions to 06's ''kiss'' scene back in the day but it's hearsay. basically they don't care about what people do in their free time as much
>>583468315I mean technically the first girl Yusuke saw was Keiko and if I remember correctly they do end up together
>anons said that current popular rappers all like Sonic >get a video of one of the artist mentioned and it's literally a Sonic.exe inspired songBased i didn't know sthg was this cool Based how does
>>583468615It really is weird how the Japanese aren't into Sonic much with how obviously anime it isI guess they just can't understand furry franchises?
>>583468315Bulma is clearly much older than Goku so the only people who ship it are coomers. Yusuke had a child hood friend love interest. Rukia is a legitimate case of the anime pulling an Archie and just not adapting the actual characters while giving the MC a love interest that disagrees with canon for years until w command from above told them to cut it out. Misty was outright marketed as a love interest internationally and the Japanese writers did occasionally play into that like the second movie but they had no idea the damage that was done until they tried introducing a love interest later.
>>583468879It mostly has to do with timing and marketing
>>583468879>I guess they just can't understand furry franchises?If you think Sonic is a "furry franchises" then so is Animal Crossing and a bunch of other stuff that is huge in Japan.
>>583468879It has less to do with characters themselves and more to do with how Japanese society functions. Nintendo established themselves way before SEGA and the Japanese aren't one to stray from tradition
>>583468879>I guess they just can't understand furry franchises?the furry scene in JP is really strong though? Sonic just isn't their cup of tea
>>583468938Yeah, I don't know why people keep asking this stupid question. Some of this general also likes to confuse a fanbase being small with a fanbase not existing.
The truth is Sonic is incredibly boring in Japanese.
>>583466964>>583467757I live in another country that's not the west and japan btw, there we have a lot of dudebros who don't like amy too but it's because ''she's just a cutesy anime girl type and uninteresting'' or '' i am not interested in sonic marrying her'' rather than people trying to argue about violence/stalking/misogyny unironically, i don't agree with them but it's preferable to the woke dudebro approach.
>>583469139Not enough Marvel quirk for you, I know.
>>583469128Bro, no one even buys Sonic games in Japan. They don't even break 20k units over there
>>583469007I don't get the sense that console wars were ever a thing in Japan. The Mario/Sonic rivalry comes mostly from western SEGA ads
>>583469228And there it is, happening in real time.
>>583469228A lot of people either pirate the games or even literally just watch the cutscenes anyway
>>583469205Marvel movies perform incredibly well in Japan though and getting a pretentious attitude over Sonic is horribly tone deaf.
>>583469185The Amy discourse would be tolerable if it was just because they thought romance was lame.But it's infuriating that she's being toned down because the writer is a feminist that's trying to be impressive while also being scared of women.
>>583469228Isn't frontiers closer to 50k in japan?
>>583469331>unironically gets defensive for Marvel quirkyep
>>583469023What is this furry's nameHe's hot
>>583469460Bro you goon to Amy Rose
>>583468758Wasn't Amy completely OP in that game? I can't say for sure, but I have the feeling Any was being massively retooled to address the complaints about her from Advance 1, then Cream was inserted in the game early/mid-development and they decided to move the version of Amy they were making into an extra character.
>noooooo they are not 3 fans, they are actually 12. that's 4 times as much as you think
>>583469504I shall.
>>583469462my beloved Von Lycaon from the hit game Zenless Zone Zero
>>583469504Wow that anon is cool
>>583468920Goku is 14 at the start of DB while Bulma was 16. To this day people casually say they thought they would have or should have ended up together just because they are the lead male and female, and write what-ifs and fanfics about it.>>583468845>>583468706Sure if you talk about "literally meets" then okay, but you know what they mean. Keiko is a perfect character while Botan is the female lead.
Wait, there are gay furries in here!?
>>583467757That is very interesting. I wonder why it's so different in the West, even back before Generations people saw the Sonic Heroes Amy scene as reason to believe she's a yandere/stalker and often mocked her as a character, even though Heroes in general has all of the team confrontations be given weird reasons.
>>583469515No, Amy was just kind of worse SonicCream was OP, basically easy baby mode since you can just mash the B Button to kill bosses without even moving
>>583469585He's kinda similar to Drago i want to be pressed against their fluffy chests now
I'm not a rebellious larper. Why did you guys talk badly about shitposting last thread? That stuff sucks and is annoying.
>>583468758Amy being locked that way is because Advance 2 was a very unique game, and Amy's playstyle specifically didn't fit it well. At least, that's what I assume the reason was, as it returned in Advance 3. Cream and Amy's relationship was more defined by Heroes, so I assume the Advance games weren't meant to have much of a story focus in the first place and Cream just happened to be introduced in them first.
>>583452842I've played nothing but Sonic games for seven months.
>>583469645what? nooo, you're imagining things>>583469746their personalities are night and day, but I would also love to be sandwich'd between them
>>583468864SSJ2 by Lucy bedLucy Bedroque btwYea I guess kinda cool...
>>583469884Fuck off fag
>>583469515Cream overtook Amy regardless for Sonic Advance 2.Speaking of which....>*rechecks Sonic Wiki Zone*Yep, this is certainly Day I-Lost-Count of the wiki STILL not correcting Cream's favorite food.
>>583469606I am like at chapter 50 at db so very early but Goku saying he was 14 was a mistake, he was actually 12 but he thought 14 came after 11
Okay /sthg/ it's time to decide, what's worseHomosexuals or pedophiles?
>>583469645You’re imagining things, Anon
>>583469884Ever drew him, Dragochad?
>>583469940why would I do that?
>>583469205Japanese Sonic has an appeal but it lacks spice and is sort of minimal in its default Classic form. Frontiers and Shadow Generations are good though.
>>583470017What the fuck kind of question is thisPedophiles are worse. Always pedophiles. Pedophiles are bad people. There is no comparison.
>>583470017The answer is obvious but the issue is that alot of homosexuals aren’t simply just attracted to men which muddies the water by alot
Maria.
>>583470017>>583470152>>583470175What does this have to do with Sonic the Hedgehog?
>>583464808Metal covers are cool though. Powerglove and Megadriver have some Sonic power metal covers of VGM Sonic music. Did you know chiptune music transfers pretty well into power metal because how memorable and melodic it is?Although the YouTube sort of metal covers I saw back in the day are worse than the real bands doing metal covers. There is a massive Spotify playlist of thousands of power metal covers of video games.
>>583470056Lycaon? I haven't actually, I've drawn Manato tho
>>583468615Less than NA =/= non-existent>>583468779Most of the miralfagging around ships is fake though. It's all just slander tactics to knock other ships down a peg. None of these people actually care about the morality aspect outside of maybe pedoships. Its 90% just dickmessuring and treating shipping as a competition.If you want my take, it's because in Japanese media culture, there is more separation of the self from the media. There is less self inserting in general and more of a general sense of the author's intent and vision being respected.In the west, there is more treating it like team sports and voting because there is this sense that you have to because it affects the series, so shit turns into a gladiator arena, and I'd say this really started once 90s Genesis fans demonstrated it works, and broke the Magic Cirlce so to speak.Back in the day before thenz fans were less directly involved with backseating the series
>>583470337Sonic is a gay pedophile
>>583470347>Did you know chiptune music transfers pretty well into power metal because how memorable and melodic it is?Link me a couple of examples
>>583461561WWE is good. Sonic may not necessarily benefit from becoming it though. But like WWE is like real art in a sense even if it's storylines are more improvised and simplistic than static premade media.Like shonen anime, WWE and AEW and these guys tell a story through fighting and combat.
>>583469904Jane remover is pretty good
>>583470337Sonic is a pedo
>>583470624Tell me which Sonic prefers Cream over Amy, Blaze or Vanilla
>>583470017They're just different degrees of the same thing. Becoming accustomed to one form of deviancy lowers your resistance to other forms
>>583469839they made amy a sonic clone anyway, why wouldn't she fit?
>>583462950Thanks anon, nice pose
>>583470398I didn't mean moralfagging about it just being pedo/gay whatever, i meant moralfagging in the sense you believe you have the correct thus morally justified reason while people who ''ship'' other things represent some kind of lie or twist or whatever. this isn't even just shipping a lot of fandom discussions ship or not is like this in the westin my country amy still gets disliked a lot but for different reasons than the moralfagging :>>583469185that being said it is hard to say what it would be like if there was another ''ship'' in general because 1- someone like sally didn't exist for japan in their formative years 2- blaze/sonic dynamic doesn't get interpreted as romantic nearly as much as it gets interpreted that way in the west 3- most of the yaoi shippers are aware it is non-canon. if the thing i am hearing about elise getting negative reactions by jp fanbase sometime ago is true it is likely there could be more ship talk in japan if there was ever an alternative to amy.
>>583470398>there is more separation of the self from the media. There is less self inserting in generaldo you know anything about VNs or LNs? Anything at all?If anything that's probably a bigger reason why Sonic doesn't have too much fanbase in Japan. He's too much of a chad for them to self insert into
>>583470515https://open.spotify.com/track/2Q3U9DKMVgj5QZMHxo0elehttps://open.spotify.com/track/3ydvJ3TPKyRYersJt4Suzn https://open.spotify.com/track/5kBVJmtf2mqgnis6TUBg6v?si=dnCLiy0PQTGVoeu-B9nlgQ
>>58347070312 and 15 would probably be called a pedo irl when i think about it, i ve seen some casuals who dont know much about sonic joking like ''sonic is the coolest pedo!'' when hearing that amy is 12 in canon
>>583470703The windiest one
>>583470620Why are these new rappers all so androgynous looking lol not hating they look good Pretty cool to see Sonic influence is still strong
>>583469585>>583469023Get out
>>583470950Morality doesn't matter in fiction. Too many people think it does, and that closes their mind to what kind of stories can be told.Shippers keep making all this stuff and going way past what's reasonable. In reality, it is just fiction. It's not moral or immoral to have dark ships.And in fact I bet dark shipping among adults is akin to fetishes kinks and this thing called BDSM.
>>583468879I think you overestimate Sonic's supposed inherent appeal to westerners vs Japanese.The sucess of Sonic in the west is, like most properties that came about around the turn of the millennium, a timing thing.Sonic didnt come out bundled with the Megadrive for a cheaper price than the SNES before the said console came out like in America which was the critical window for Sonic to get its foot in the door. Sonic is more popular than Mario in LatAM for thr same reason since the MasterSystem was cheaper there. So everyone grew up with GG Sonic 1 instead of Mario 1 over there.Sonic in Japan was also just hurt by the fact RPGs were King over there compared to the west amd Nintendo had every final fantasy and DQ game, and Sonic's Japanese releases consistently came out around when major JRPG releases were coming out.SA1 is more RPG like and sold well I Japan if its any indication.Sonic isn't "unpopular" in Japan so much as seen as a "hidden gem". People dont think it sucks or don't care about it so much as they don't know anything about it.It's seen similar to how people in America see HERO from DQ. They have some vague idea of him and mostly knoe him from Smash and that's kind of it. And frankly that's how most people know Sonic here anyway.
Imagine Sonic touching Cream innapropiately
>>583471252Slayr also another current popular rapper/alt who really into Sonic
>>583449010>eyes*eye
Bara shall rule
>>583470808That's why I assume they made her an unlockable. Unlike all others, there's not much to her Advance 3 moveset that would make her stand out, as all the other non-Sonic characters have additional aerial moves to offer ways for the player to have more flexibility than Sonic, who requires using tricks and knowing stages decently well to get around some of the paths (not even just moments like Sky Canyon, a lot of the SP Rings need that as the game is designed around it). An Amy unlock would mess with that, so they made her a bonus character instead as a reward for liking the game enough to clear it fully as all other characters. At least that's what I think. I do think it'd be interesting to have Advance 1/3-like Amy in that sort of game, but Advance 2 seems to be when they focused on having a consistent direction the most out of the three games, so I prefer that they chose to focus on that more
>>583471525>Sonic Advance 3 sample Based
>>583471695That's what she does here already, how do we get rid of her?
>>583471525I feel confused about this type of alf because it is modern music, but also, they are dark and edgy aesthetic too that I look up to. Unless it's aggressive I don't really identify with a genre of music, instead just consuming it. The problem is that new youth culture music isn't aggressive. So these guys look alternative and edgy, but their alt pop or whatever does not really match the way they look, and ends up being softerI am talking about stuff like Sleep Token also
>go outside>see thiswhat do?
>>583469185So the.same as the west but more honest? Because that's always what the negative stigma towards Amy has been. It just gets dressed up in a bunch of pseudo moralistic or performative critical analysis to try and justify it but its always just been that.Very few comments about Amy being supposedly bad are not followed with advocating for some other girl instead.Its very comon to see any Amy celebratory material not have some people go "I dont like Amy. X girl is way better and more deserving" because its their preferred waifu
>>583471656as it should
>>583469971It's legit mindbreaking them that they have to remove a BumbleKast citation, Anon better launch that better wiki soon because it's pretty clear by now that they're a lost cause.
>>583471374You're mostly talking about things from 30 years ago. Sonic is SEGA's third biggest franchise (after Yakuza and Persona I guess). It's gonna show up in the majority of game showcases where SEGA is involved. It's a massive multimedia endeavor with multiple Hollywood movies at this point. I don't think ignorance is what's involved here
>>583471809This isn't that deep of an analysis but it's true probably. I can relate to being anti Amy to protect my own Waifu.
>>583471656Big asses aren't bara
>>583469839>Amy being locked that way is because Advance 2 was a very unique game, and Amy's playstyle specifically didn't fit it well.I thought this at first, but the logic falls appart because they changed Amy's moveset to accomidate the game anyway.Which is wild since the alleged reason Nishiyama made Cream was because Amy was too hard for little girls to play.So why even if he changed her moveset already anyway?
>>583471525I like this guy what's with the hate he get sometimes
>>583471808>Wrong door, I'm not Tails
>>583472154Because he isn't hardcore or metal I have negative interest in checking out this guy.
>>583471809Well at the very least people don't like sally either and also just see amy as the default love interest rather than advocating for other girls to be with sonic. i think they are just uninterested in the premise overall and prefer more obviously le cool or lee deep and mature characters. it's largely similiar but i prefer the honesty.
>>583472110it's not the only thing that makes something bara, but you won't really find a bara work without dudes with big asses
>>583471797Some of them are aggressive but a more spacey edgy digital sound is popular right now
>>583472220People think he's cringe cause of the video game aesthtic he's going for also
>>583471809>Because that's always what the negative stigma towards Amy has beenBut we can't honestly say that's what it is anymore, since the games themselves have been trying to move away from depicting Amy as a "cutesy anime type girl"She is, however, still uninteresting. Probably moreso now that she doesn't have a real concrete character trait associated with her. She's just kind of there.
>>583469515The only story elements of Adv 2 are surrounding Cream and her mom, so she was clearly planned from very early on.Frankly, Adv 2 would have worked just fine as a story about how Amy and Cream met and became friends to begin with. If Amy was the one to help Cream save her mom, their relationship would feel more organic. You could still even have the SuperSonic ending where Sonic saves her the second time and still have it be fine. Nothing would be lost.
>>583472283If the ass is bigger than the other muscles, that guy is a twink
>>583472134I assume they wanted to still have her included while offering a more beginner-friendly female character, but Advance 1 Amy seems to be too much at odds with Advance 2's design, so they had to compromise anyway. Advance 1 Amy struggles greatly against slopes, and often needs to use her high jump to get to certain areas. Advance 2's stages are even more vertically spread out, have a lot of slopes and even things like wall/ceiling slopes, and this particularly applies to SP Rings which require good use of tricks or aerial moves to access, or going at high enough speeds to fling into a specific area. Amy, who was instead the least aerially capable character in Advance 1 (even Sonic had the air dash) might not have been able to reach all SP Rings even with adjustments. However, we'll probably never know as unless there's info on why they redesigned Amy's moveset, all we can do is speculate.
>>583472532that's not how that works...
>>583471374lol did sonic chronicles do well?
>>583472634>even with adjustmentsI meant a hypothetical adjusted Advance 1 Amy here.
>>583471716what a fucking joke
>>583470895That is Jojo reference. Not even a reference, a direct source. Nice.
>>583469671The thing is even with that interpretation of Amy, Amy wasnt hated for it back them. People mocked her for it but its moreso because they thought that was the point of the character. What changed was around the 2010s when characters like Pepe and Panini started getting scrutinized as well as Sally fans getting irate because of the slap or whatever. It all kind of became "useful rhetoric" to use against the character for alterior reasons to validate less flattering treatment and judgement of the character.
Race to Win is underrated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biIhDoJT7fU
>>583471904The 1991-1993 US marketing was massive, bigger than anything that followed.
>>583472443but i'm supposed to be impressed with sonic's 57 tsundere rivals
>>583469995Other way around, wasnt it? It's been a while.
>>583469839Didn't Amy in Advance 3 play more like her Advance 1 self than Advance 2? Hard to tell because of the partnering gameplay...
Why do so many retarded fans think Surge is a tsundere
>>583472634>make amy's gameplay dogshit for no reason>she doesn't fit sonic's typical level designno WONDER amy fans are psychotic, what the fuck is this franchise's problem?
>>583473231Stop turning every female badass into a tsundere. Let them be tsun tsun
>>583473119I didn't mention anything about that. I'm a "Sonic should be single and romance shit doesn't belong in Sonic media" type person
Did you know Blaze is very skilled at playing with balls?
>>583472223>>583471809I actually don't think it's waifufaggery this time because these were people who had shadow as their fav rather than being obsessed with sally or blaze.
>>583472984You're right, though I wonder if cultural shift in general led to a character like Amy being seen as forbidden. I've seen some say that a character like her shouldn't be written like she was at all, and that she can't be so focused on Sonic.
>>583470961VNs and LNs are different though because they are explicitly for that purpose. In general, Japanese view self inserting as a thing you need to be invited to do rather than a default mode of engagement. It's why Hentai has "faceless dudes" for example and why a lot of Japanese games still use silent protagonists with blank expressions whereas western media doesn't unless its just copying the trope from games that did.
>>583471656Not my proudest fap, but a fap nonetheless
>>583470602Careful. Your south american is showing.
In Pokemon games, you're basically Sonic. The real protagonist follows you around talking about how inspiring you are while you complete their life journey by beating the bad guys yourself
>>583473203Yes, but the partner gameplay is precisely why something like that is possible, as you can give characters unique moves while still ensuring every possible combination has an air/throw/etc move to allow stage design to challenge all of them without compromising some of the more odd ones. >>583473283It's not necessarily that. Advance 1's Amy was inspired by Adventure 1 but still fit to work better for 2D Sonic stages. However, Advance 1 only had 7 special stage springs, so it was viable to ensure all of them could be reached even as a character like Amy or Sonic. In Advance 2, the focus on challenge and performing well was raised, and just like in Sonic 3, Sonic was given unique moves to compensate, but Amy, whose playstyle focused on lacking a spindash and instead having more combat capabilities (she was strong against bosses in Advance 1) no longer worked well for that. It's possible that the reason why they went with the partner mechanic for Advance 3 in the first place is to allow all characters to focus on unique moves like Amy did in Advance 1, while combining that with Advance 2's direction, but I don't know if that was the case or not.
>>583473489>In general, Japanese view self inserting as a thing you need to be invited to do rather than a default mode of engagement. I think you have it completely backwards because basically all self-insert media comes from JapanThe only western games in which you self-insert are WRPGs and even those have predefined responses for your character, some even going as far as including voice acting
>>583473340She's so fucking cute, Blazebros!!Vector looks cool too. Love the subtle reference
>>583473283I hate how we went from Dimps at least ATTEMPTING to do something unique with Amy in 2D so she has her own style, to Origins/Superstars' "herrdurr shes femalegirl wit vagine lets make her easy-mode-sonic 4 zoomrs"
>>583473821her own style has to be dogshit that doesn't fit? why? because she's an outsider? what's cream's excuse?
>>583470950>blaze/sonic dynamic doesn't get interpreted as romantic nearly as much as it gets interpreted that way in the westWell yeah because sonaze is waifufaggotry because she is seen as a "cool girl" unlike Amy. Western cartoon media tended to in general focus on the idea of the sleezy jock dudebro who is flirting with a well put together competent "high status" woman whom she schoffs at but ultimately aquiesses to after he "peoces himself" to her by being a hero or whatever.Look at DiC Zelda as an example.In the west, you prove you are a man by getting bitches. In Japan, you get bitches as a consequence of being a man. Being a man is the actual goal and point. The bitches are just seen as something that comes with that. In the West, the bitches were the point.
IDW fans don't even seem to like the comic anymore. They just don't want JP purists to win.
What if Sonic had an adaptation that took Sonic's love of freedom and put it under serious attack and Sonic ran around beating people upon and there are like explosions?And then Eggman invades Sonic's parents house on Christmas Island and backhands Sonic's dad.And then Sonic and Antoine fight hell in a cell since Amy cheated on him with Sally, and do a cage match? No Way Out?
>>583473807. . .
>>583472443>Probably moreso now that she doesn't have a real concrete character trait associated with her. She's just kind of there.Don't remind me.
>>583474043This is why you have "people" who think Malfoy would be a better character if he was a girl
>>583473821I wish they would have just kept the SA1 mindset of making her the hardest campaign where you have to work your ass off to build and maintain speed. It was her first playable appearance, and they nailed it, she was so satisfying to play as. It should have been the standard.
:P
>>583474210
>>583474219Sony snipped their balls off
>>583474210I just like it because neckties and skirts are erotic to me
>>583474219I agree, Amy is fun in SA1, especially jumping with the hammer.
>>583473821Origins had to be done that way because the levels were designed with the tools that Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles all collectively had. I can't say if Superstars was done for the same reason or not, even though I understand your frustration at not trying to do something more "Amy" like Dimps did.
>>583474295This is just replacing Malfoy with a generic bog standard default tsundere
>>583474219Then was she an npc or a sonic clone from that point?
Malfoid but it's the Sonic franchise
>>583471904You are too young to understand just how big Sonic used to be, especially in the 90s and early 2000s.Most of the fame from the movies is localized to just the west and a lot of the things that helped the movie do well here are west-isms like Jim Carey's inclusion and the choice of music and pop cultural influences and references.Also im not even sure the buddy cop animal pal format is even popular in Japan. Had Tom been a kid, I think Movie 1 would have done way better in japan.
>>583474043Yeah i remember some digimonfags seething at ryuki and juri/takato in the early days for similiar reasons because ruki is similar to blaze in attracting waifufaggery. i understand the seething at sorato for example but takato/juri was obvious from the beginning.
>>583474513What if Malfoid was extreme and hardcore and intense like Sonic.EXE and covered in blood of whatever are the bad guys in Harry Potter
>>583474794Tails and Amy are so happy to see him, cute
>>583474043Yeah, except, looking at the way Rush plays out, it fits more your description of the Japanese scenario. Sonic is just trying to be a cool bro and help Blaze get over her 'tism but she gets all flustered over it. Just like the Amy relationship, it's all one-sided on her part
Surge the Tenrec
>>583474071What makes you sat that?
>>583474932This feels more like interpreting headcanonisms because she doesn't get flustered at sonic in rush, she gets a bit flustered at cream and amy instead.satbk ill give you
>>583471971I could get deeper if you want. I say this as someone who wasn't even a superman of her growing up. Just generally liked her and thought she was cool for actually standing on business and fighting, unlike Peach. I found her being the one that did the chasing subversive.>I can relate to being anti Amy to protect my own Waifuwho?
>>583474751This will never not look like disgusting tranny slop
>>583475001Again with that. *sigh*Okay, so for all the secondaries out there who have no idea what Harry Potter is about: he's NOT a muggleborn.
>>583475001Surge should be pure power. Not pretending to hate somebody but actually liking them.I'm going to draw Malfoid except she is a Sonic character now
>>583475001I'm so glad we've moved on
>>583475086Look like?It is
>>583475073Sally Acorn.
>>583475001Who the fuck writes their lowercase t's like that? I thought I was having a stroke
>"This girl is like Surge the Tenrec!">Guy who only likes Surge the Tenrec
>>583475216Oh, OK. Now I have no qualms about hating it. Only a disgusting nigger troon would try to ruin something sexy like Rouge with their poisonous mental illness gymnastics.
>can't look at simple genderbend without thinking about trans people
>Muteki StarWhat the fuck.What fucking translator doesn't know "muteki" means "Invinvible"/"Invincibility"?How much of a drooling blind idiot do you have to type it out literally and not fucking translate it?
SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>583475423Tranny cockroaches have ruined innocent genderbends for everyone, stop trying to make it look like it was anyone else's fault. It wasn't. I know your entire tranny existence is built on bad faith, but you know damn well this is true.
>>583474794Espio looks like he wants to kill Barry next
Sonipussi
>>583475641>Tranny cockroaches have ruined innocent genderbends for everyoneNot me, you stay safe though.
The whole point of Malfoy is that despite hating Harry he didn't actually want him to fucking die. Turning him into a love interest kills that depth. I guess that's normal for Sonic fans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvKaqmiNjhA
>>583475001Thanks, now I understand Sonurge
>>583475051Point is, either way, it's not Sonic showing any interest in BlazeIf I supported Sonic shipping though, Sonaze would be my preference, just because it would be the most understated and unobtrusive, not for whatever other reasons were mentioned prior.
>>583475521>translator
Is Wade the saltiest bitch in the franchise?
>>583475521Maybe due to character limits in-game?>>583475747Not necessarily. You can still have the same thing even if he was a girl, that aspect isn't gender-locked. Adding romantic feelings is always just an additional modifier on the dynamic, not a replacement.I really dislike how much off-topic posting is just accepted here.
>>583475423Tranny ruined it, a decade ago it wasn't a problem. Now respect this and respect that otherwise we're gonna censor you, and every form of sex change feels like a defeat.
>>583472443>But we can't honestly say that's what it is anymore, since the games themselves have been trying to move away from depicting Amy as a "cutesy anime type girl">She is, however, still uninterestingIt's still a massive part of it but people just dont wanna admit it because it looks bad to say, especially in a turbo feminism sensitive culture.But I also agree it isnt all of it anymore. The other dimension of it is the female female fans who perpetuate it themsleves because they grew up woth these same narratives. A lof ot them tend to either be girls who liked Amy but got bullied out of liking her because of those narratives about her being a yandere stalker and problematic, or useless etc, or girls who also never liked her because she was girly and cute and cared about love, which given the series' disproportionately male audience associated with action and machismo is disproportionately gonna be bigger than other series.So you have girls that think they hated Amy but just hated identifying with a character everyone shits on, and girls who feel "stuck" with a female character they dont identiny with.In general, I feel like there are a lot of normie fans who feel "stuck in Amy jail" because they don't have any other female character to identify with, which makes them advocate for her to be changed to accommodate themBut again, this furthers my point before about self inserting being more rampant compared to Japan in general.>Probably moreso now that she doesn't have a real concrete character trait associated with her. She's just kind of there.Yes, and since Frontiers, casual and passionate enjoyers of Amy have gotten more and more vocal. It's almost always people who dont particularly love Amy herself that advocate for her being muted and its always under the rethoric of "because she is the lead female and has a responsibility to be presented in a certain way"Amy literally only makes waves online when she is drpicted more like her 2000s self.
Would you boop his nose?
I hate when someone says "See Sonic can act like this" and their only example is Sonic X
>>583472634Creamtranny cope. It's because Amy is a pink hedgehog girl so girls would pick her by default over Cream. Let's be real.We already explained Amy's moveset in Adv2 was already changed.Occam's razor.
>>583476124You mean that you hate perfect characterization because you personally dislike that it doesn't match your headcanon? Is that what you mean?
>>583476265>perfect characterization>nothing like the games
>>583472634>Advance 1 Amy struggles greatly against slopes,Legit just give her the PeelOut. They gave her spindash the PeelOut animation so clearly they were trying with it.It's literally just a "no-spin" compliant Spindash.
>>583476125Your bait would have merit if Amy wasn't my favorite character to play as in Advance 1, while I didn't care for Cream in Advance 2 beyond finding her curious as a beginner character. I speak from experience with Advance 2, not from liking/not liking Cream.
>>583472735Chronicles didnt even do super well in the West. No one knew it existed.The only reason I did was because of flashcarts.
>>583476305But that'd still mean she might not be able to access some SP Rings due to lacking aerial moves. Advance 3 doesn't have to worry about that because that game always guarantees air moves through partner combinations.
>>583473231Because an unspoken rule is people think female characters all exist to be waifus and suck the MCs dick. If they hate the MC, its just her way of showing affection and she secretly wants the D.
I HATE tsundereshit. It's the same garbage every time. "What if the mean girl was actually a blushing awkward bashful cutie with a crush all along!" and it's shit every time. I don't know why people are obsessed with this trope. The worst thing is when it's official. I have literally seen the arc you people want for Surge happen in real time. Picrel, Mikoto Mikasa, started out as a compelling secondary antagonist who wanted to make the protagonist eat shit. Then he "inspires" her (Author codeword for completely changes her world outlook ) and for the next decade of episodes she is reduced to one kind of interaction. Blushing and stuttering whenever he's anywhere near her. This is the worst thing that can happen to a female character and I hate it.
>>583473283I remember Roger Von de Weiger once said back before hos channel got hacked, but I think it applies. It's just a case of the devs aleays wanting to play with some new toy before fixing or properly addressing the issues woth the previous.Advance 2 should have prioritized properly making Adv 1 Amy's moveset work, but it seems Nishiyama got lost in making Cream and got carried away with his OC instead.
>>583476886Tsundere gets lapped up because its cope by men who are desperately hoping that women are just pretending to be awful people instead of accepting that most women are truly awful people
Sonic and Surge
>>583477061She literally killed an innocent old man for shits and giggles and you ship her with a superhero
>>583477061You understand Sonurge
>>583476887>back before hos channel got hackedWhat happened?
>>583475868Even the one-sided view is largely unpopular outside west,it's still kind of relevant because it's people forcing tsundere/love interest stuff into the ''cool girl'' archetype whereas japan doesn't see the need to project that.
>>583473358I mean people are always gonna put thr main character and his edgy rival at the top. Only exception is if the MC is some shy kid unless they nut up or whatever.>>583473371I never see arguments for why her love for Sonic is bad that aren't related to shipping or the generic idea of "the main girl liking the MC means she has no personality" which is weird and dumb. Amy compared to her contemporaries has a very fleshed out relationship woth her feelings for said MCIt isn't like Tootie where its for literally no reason other than he is the MC or Sakura where its just because he is the most popular boy in school and everyone wants him in general.But then again im hearing nuGens are against romance or love in general nowadays in the West
>>583475521>if (and when) you die
>>583460998He has gooners on the brain 24/7He's also trained to be disgusted by male sexuality, not female.
>>583476887I disagree, that doesn't apply to Advance 2 at all because all characters were revamped for it, and Cream is derivative of Tails gameplay-wise in it instead. In Advance 1, speedruns seem to focus a lot on abusing Sonic's air dash whenever not playing as Knuckles and abusing his glide, so since Dimps' games tend to favor experienced players in the first place, it's likely that they saw it as a reason to try and design a game around moves like that, especially since Adventure 2, which inspired Advance 1 as well, expanded 3D Sonic's moveset as well. This led to the game being very focused on its unique direction, pretty much every stage integrates these moves and challenges the player in a unique way, enemies are more effective than in most 2D Sonic games, and so on. However, Amy was inspired by her Adventure 1 playstyle, and happened to work due to Advance 1 focusing more on platforming in some of the later stages, potentially due to the game being designed with characters like Amy in mind, but I don't know how it could even work in Advance 2's stages without giving her both a way to reach high speeds often and air moves, which gets rid of the point of the playstyle in the first place, so sacrificing one character, not for Cream but for the stage design, likely made sense to them. Sonic Team also dropped developing Amy's playstyle for similar reasons, there was nothing in SA2 outside of the multiplayer one, while Heroes was in development and still went with a Sonic-derived moveset.
>>583477324>TootieTootie loves Timmy because he's the only person in her life who isn't outwardly mean to her even though he wants to be
>>583473778You're completely missing my point here. What you are pointing out supports my position. Japanese self insert media is explicitly self insert media whereas innthe west, people assume by default that projection onto the protagonist is happening by default so explicit self insert media is rarer.
>>583477204I kissu Nakkuruzu
Sonic and Surge belong in this category of good ships
>>583473821I agree. NuClassic Amy's moveset is boring and doesn't give me a real reason to wanna play as her the way Advance and even Heroes Amy did.
>>583477710Did OMD mindbreak spiderfags so much that they just gave up on MJ or something
Sonic Advance 1 Amy should be THE 2D controls for Amy.She's very technical, you can fuck up much easier than other characters with needing more precise button inputs. But her skill ceiling is leaps and bounds above.
>>583477550I apologize for the run on sentences, I haven't slept for a bit so I didn't reread enough before posting. Basically, I think Advance 2 as a whole is at odds with Adventure 1/Advance 1 Amy's moveset, like how it also wouldn't work in something like Rush, rather than it being due to Cream, whose main ability doesn't relate to the issue (as it only affects enemies/bosses)
>>583464423You still not doing it yourself means the discord jannies messed with the booru again, or the booru is that shit
>>583477894sonic fans suck dick at video games and sonic team sucks dick at making video games
>>583478050Run on sentences are fun and cool I do them on purpose sometimes I see them as a form of self expression that I can use as I need or desire
Sonic Chronicles is definitely inspired by Sonic X season 3. It feels like they wanted to make a game about that but replaced the metarex with echidnas.
Japanese people love characters that are gap moe, like Shadow. Isn't Amy gap moe as well? She's sweet, kind, dresses girly, and has girly hobbies but is also hotheaded and energetic
>>583477302I don't see it as forced, it does make a certain amount of sense for the scenario. It's apparently Blaze's first time forming personal relationships, and it's pretty obvious that she's confused at how to process these new feelings and that Sonic is a different type of person to her than Amy or Cream. Less forced than Elise, at least.I will acknowledge that subsequent games put an end to any hint of that dynamic though, which is a bit of a shame, as she's pretty bland thereafter and it could have been something, at least.
>>583477324>I never see arguments for why her love for Sonic is badIn terms of what I've seen, it's either that people see her love as weird/childish and stale, or the idea that regardless if she has a personality or not, her focusing on Sonic so much is wrong and she should have more goals/motivation of her own. >But then again im hearing nuGens are against romance or love in general nowadays in the WestIt's hard to tell because communities are very split up on that side of things these days.
BIG BIG CHUNGUS!BIG CHUNGUS! BIG CHUNGUS!
>>583474210I think what gets me about this is the absolute gaslighting alt reality assertions people insist on that every piece of pop media prior to like 2016 was just main girls helplessly chasing the MC. What reality do they come from? It was the exception, not the rule. And in western cartoons it was always presented negatively if present or purely as a joke at the expense of the girl.She would be presented as a desperate undesirable compared to whatever cheerleader Page the MC was pining for instead. Only on occasion would you see him learning to "date at his level" ans appreciate her or something but that was not the standard.
>>583478129The booru is just shit, only lizardfucker uses it.
>>583475885>WadeSaltiest cuz he be killing those mollusks
Reminder that Belle fans and transphobes are low IQ.
>>583478369Chronicles is literally just the Knuckles shit from the Archie comics, hence why Penders sued over it
Watch your back because the next man is comin'And you don't know if the next man is dumbin'Survival of the fittest what it isI got your back, you got my back, and that's the biz'Blood is rushing through my veins, I got the powerChannel the energy, and with my strength I will devourSickening thoughts are running through my headThat's when I realize I'm glad I'm not deadCorruption and abuseThe salesman of our bloodFor the public's cravingExistence in the darkIt's in our nature to destroy ourselvesIt's in our nature to kill ourselvesIt's in our nature to kill each otherIt's in our nature to kill, kill, killIt was a dream and then it hit me, reality struckAnd now my life is all shifty and it all moves fastClose to the buck 50, we all stand strongIn respect to the family in the times of our insanityIn the words of profanity, I describe our dysfunctional familyBlood brothers keep it real to the endDeeper than the thoughts you think? Not a trend!Corruption and abuseThe salesman of our bloodFor the public's cravingExistence in the darkIt's in our nature to destroy ourselvesIt's in our nature to kill ourselvesIt's in our nature to kill each otherIt's in our nature to kill, kill, killIt's in our nature to destroy ourselvesIt's in our nature to kill ourselvesIt's in our nature to kill each otherIt's in our nature to kill, kill, killAgain and again
>>583478561Can you please leave? This is a space for transphobic sonic fans.
>>583478629Not really aside from it being echidnas
>>583478129it's encouraged for the artist themself to upload their work
>>583474210It reminds me of when people unitonically started insisting Corrin from Fireblem sucks and was the worst MC but "makes sense and is good as a Female tho".Like wtf.Also all the people that interpret Shinji from EVA as a tranny.Westie culture is just fucked man.
>>583475641Huh. I walk past these at the store ever week and I've never seen the Super Sonic one. They have a Shadow and Knuckles, though.
>>583478561Transphobia doesn't exist it's more like everyone just wants them to die lol, I smile every time I hear about more of their movements getting swept away
>>583474295I can just tell the people behind this meme have a vague memory of the films and nothing else. Harry did not like abrasive women, that's why he was completely platonic with Hermione who he openly thought was stiff and annoying. He did not have the tolerance for a fucking tsundere. Ginny also wasn't just a "Generic nice girl". The movies reduced her to that because the director wanted him with Hermione.
>>583478490what are you even talking about at this point
>>583474823>I remember some digimonfags seething at ryuki and juri/takato in the early days for similiar reasons because ruki is similar to blaze in attracting waifufaggeryI REMEMBER THATIt was so weird! You can see the same pattern with Misty and Serena really.Sora vs Mimi too.
cnc
>>583478380Funny you say that because i see elise and sonic as what westerners pretend sonic and blaze is.
I've been having some strange thoughts lately, like, is any of this for real or not? None of this makes sense to me.
>>583474932Yesz Rush is still Japanese. But the substancr doesn't actually matter to these people because they just depict Sonaze as Sonic being a flirtatious dudebro and her as flustered and getting "pushed into the kitchen" so to speak by him.
>>583479196shut up Roxas
>>583479117well then you're deranged as Elise is not even remotely the same type of character as Blaze nor is her dynamic with Sonic in any way similar.
I like amy a lot...
>>583474823>>583479057On /digi/ someone checked the first fanfics for Digimon on fanfiction.net. All of the first Digimon Adventure fanfics were about Taichi and Sora. The first Tamers fanfics were about Takato and Ruki and the first one even made Taichi and Sora Takato's parents.
>>583475997>It's almost always people who dont particularly love Amy herself that advocate for her being muted and its always under the rethoric of "because she is the lead female and has a responsibility to be presented in a certain way"This is why I always feel so slighted by it. It's the people that don't even really like her that for some reason have been given control over her.
>>583479057Well mimi has fans nowadays at least and she wasn't really shipped with others before tri.Mimi did annoy me with her selfishness at the time when i was younger admittely, juri was one of my favs though, i liked most sixth ranger types like hikari, juri, koichi etc. I like mimi more than i did back then.
>>583475237Thanks for being honestI forgive you
>>583479281Sorato really is out of nowhere but Jurato was just obvious from the beginning, people can have their ships but i don't understand seething.
>>583479320I don't really think she's a character you're "supposed" to like thoughTo me it seems like the entire point of her is to make Sonic look cool by having him reject an ordinary life with a girl for the thrill of adventure and combat. And if so, she can't be too likable
What if Malfoid stopped being tsundere for Harry Potter and instead sided with the hedgehog Sonic
>>583478719sounds dumb
>>583479320sega loves pandering to audiences that don't fucking show up
>>583479484In literally their first interaction, Ruki mistakes Takato for flirting with her and clarifies that she thinks that's extremely creepy, Takato casually explains that it isn't the case at all. Shippers don't pay attention to what the characters do and say.
>>583479651the joke is meant to be at sonic's expense
>>583475521We can blame the otaku at The Green Hill Zone for that one for leaving shit untranslated.
>>583479819Yeah, it's part of why they have knuckles tell sonic to man up when it comes up. it isn't communicated well though, it's supposed to be about sonic being pathetic about romance matters.
>>583467297>>583467708Fang didn't get "uwufied by the fans" it's just harmless shipping autism. Also og fangfag didn't like the character, he liked his nack the weasle archie characterization if his view of Fang as "pure evil" in his rant post is any indication, something he was never imagined as by his original creator
>>583476329I still think chalking it up to gameplay is moot because ultimately Amy's gameplay was changed.>>583476487Just give her aerial moves? Why would it stop her from having them? They come from ramps.
>>583479651I just think she's fun...
>>583479651That's a surface level view of her, but Amy herself is characterized as seeking the thrill of adventure, and a part of why she chases Sonic is because something exciting is always happening wherever he goes. She views things differently, and seeks to help others more, but she's not meant to just prop up Sonic.
Does anyone want any fanfiction requests
>>583480143Sonic goes to the real world
>>583479686It would literally become Sonurge dummie
>>583475521>How much of a drooling blind idiot do you have beThe fat Canadian type.
>>583480094I don't recall Amy being depicted that way anywhere but SA1. Everywhere other game, she's involved because of her friends or just because she's crazy about Sonic
Besties won't listen to reason so I'll break it down. Windfags always talk about how Sonic is supposed to be a legend who inspires others. Sonurge is about Sonic inspiring Surge to move past her hatred and understand him. If you actually read IDW it is working, she doesn't want to kill him anymore. Read issue 75.
>>583475885I look at this and all I can think is why the fuck do we not have Riders skins in Crossworlds yet
>>583476886I think a lot of people eother like it because of a bunch of differing intersections. First you have the losers who find the idea of their girlbully liking them attractive, who have boomer humor where they interpret arguing as proof of closeness, and then you have the dudebro who basically sees her as a challenge and wants her factory reset by the dick.Its annoying but its why it stuck.
>>583480089>Just give her aerial moves?Then wouldn't you arrive at a similar conclusion as what they went with? You give her speed and/or a burst of speed move to deal with the stages requiring it to go through certain areas, and give her aerial moves to make use of in other areas. But the whole appeal of her playstyle in Advance 1 was that she was slower and had to go about getting through some areas differently, which worked because some paths were more platforming-oriented, so it was necessary to use her hop to deal with areas that required speed, or getting around by using the high jump move. Without all of this, there's little that would differentiate her other than having to use the hammer whenever you're attacking something.
>>583480391Wrong board, tranny. Your DC crap goes to >>>/co/
>>583477060That and mommy issues. A lot of guys grow up with moms that are just really abrasive amd critical towards them while insisting they love them tho.
>>583480409Because we are all playing with mods. You aren't a switch cuck, are you?
>>583480391I swear Sonamybesties are fucking retarded. Why do they keep saying that Surge hates Sonic and wants to kill him? At this point, she's basically forcing herself to hate him, but she has no reason to nor does she even want to kill him anymore. Besties don't consume Sonic media unless it has Sonamy in it.
>>583479953>>583479819It's also why stuff like sonaze/sonally annoys me besides the obvious royalty incompability, sonic is portraayed as chad jockhog when he has no game.
>>583480391>If you actually read IDWI could not imagine a worse Sonic-related activity to engage inThere's literally more value in reading the Lara-Su Chronicles
>>583480482Fuck off Krack
>>583477297I dont know the details. I just know the channel got hacked and all hos videos got deleted. Shame too. He had good stuff and fresh takes.>>583477604
>>583480384because sa2 is when the series went over the cliff
>>583480710Cry some more.
>>583480737I just checked his channels and he seems to have regained control and every video restored
>>583480706It's still shit but i view it as an imporvement over archie.
>>583480469a SMART franchise would just let her be reasonably similar to sonic, and then become more distinct in a spinoff
>>583477604He was literally an asshole to her the entire show. Its presented as an "irrational childhood girl crush on the boy next door for no reason".There is at no point where Tootie's affection for Timmy is given any substance or depth. It's only Timmy who is made to sympathize with her.The first epsiode with Tootie in it is him throwing water balloons and laughing at her for being a girl and liking him.
>>583480681It's because they're scared. Another girl is being emotionally moved by Sonic. This time it's canon Sonic so they can't deny it and that makes them uncomfortable. They also refuse to listen to the fact that Sonic enjoys being around Surge.
>>583480409>>583480627https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ-CozFxlroJesus Christ SEGA this is embarrassing
>>583477550>that doesn't apply to Advance 2 at all because all characters were revamped for it,Not really.>muh speedrun tech...stop judging the entire logic of a games design based on how exploitfags metagame. You're creating your own mythology here divorced from the actual design process.
>>583480681surgecunts are pathetic. she flopped as a rival, she can't compete with shadow, metal sonic, knuckles or blaze, so they want to make her a new sidekick sonic has to babysit
This female looks sexy
>>583481132Seething bestie
>>583478379>Amy gap moe as well? She's sweet, kind, dresses girly, and has girly hobbies but is also hotheaded and energeticKind of yeah. Amy is cute and sweet but still strong and tough and stands on business when you cross her.
>>583480962That show was garbage.
>>583480904Well, Dimps weren't in charge of developing main nor explicitly spin off games, but 2D side entries, so they had to find ways to both develop new 2D games taking inspiration from whatever Sonic Team does and make them more focused (since games like Adventure were very unfocused) while also experimenting with ideas like this due to different characters being a large part of the series' appeal. So Advance 1 lent itself well to realizing a character like Amy well, but stage design wasn't as focused and other characters' abilities had issues, like Tails' attack being inspired by SA1 but having nearly no purpose in that game's context (though I like Knuckles being able to swim at the top of water). Advance 2 was more focused and learned from how people played Advance 1 and Adventure 2, but that didn't lend itself well to Amy, so they went with a new mechanic for Advance 3 to afford having the more unique Amy again and also give each character some form of unique abilities.
>>583480962Did you even watch the show or are you a seething Trixie faggots? Timmy and Tootie is the most fleshed out dynamic in the series. There is an early episode where Timmy spells out the parallels by mentioning that Tootie is like if he never had fairies and had to live with Vicky. He was the light at the end of her suffering.
>>583481039they survived archie, they'll survive this. sega will get bored and reboot the franchise again.
Foxy momma.
>>583481259Notice how he didn’t deny that Surge was changing for the better and that Sonic is genuinely inspiring her, so instead, they always resort to just attacking her. Besties are that insecure.
>>583478380Sonelise is what Sonazefags pretend Sonaze is really.It was comon for Blazeshitters on here to complain about her writing in 06 and say it "ruined her backstory" while also insisting Elise should have been Blaze instead.
>>583478379You could argue everyone in Sonic is gap moe except for Eggman and just straight up moe characters like TailsAt the end of the day "gap moe" is just "being nice sometimes"
>>583480143An old discussion i had months ago:>tails creates a female echidna in lab for knuckles to give him company and restart his tribe>she escapes, and is now out of control>the project was secret, but now everyone knows and tails is the cause of itGo have fun with the premise, this is my sonic adventure 3.
>>583481303In 2026 this is a regular woman, most women are tough in some sense
>>583481259>no rebuttal
>>583481578And yet her old portrayal is somehow considered a bad stereotype/role model for girls for some reason.
>>583481537>Sonelise is what Sonazefags pretend Sonaze is really.Bro, no. I don't think anyone has ever argued that Sonaze is a "rescue the kidnapped princess" romance because that is very obviously not what happened.
>>583481537>>583479117I think Elise and Blaze were similiar on purpose but they were unclear on what that purpose was
>>583481743Elise is Amy 2.0Blaze is R63 Knuckles
>>583481535Sonic did what he does with everyone. He'll causally give life advice to someone who's struggling and then he moves on. He's not gonna stick around to be Surge's therapist forever. She'll die with her shit comic, like with every other flavor-of-the-month side media character
>>583480693Sonic is considered handsome in-universe and he has confidently flirted with Amy in IDW before
>>583478412>In terms of what I've seen, it's either that people see her love as weird/childish and stale, or the idea that regardless if she has a personality or not, her focusing on Sonic so much is wrong and she should have more goals/motivation of her own.This kind of goes with what ive been saying about modern western audiences having no actual taste for love. Only "relationship statuses" and wanting to bang.Amy's love for Sonic is very pure. I don't think Amy has ever described her attraction to him in physical terms in any media. It's always about who he is as a person and what he means to her. And I guess some people just don't find that sexy lolAs for the "have more motivations/goals of her own" thing, that's dishonest. For one thing, it implies her motivations and goals involving Sonic aren't hers, which makes no sense. Second is that she already does. They just aren't things relevant to whatever plot she is often involved in. To me its like the "it gets stale" argument. Gets stale how? It's not a dynamic with only 1 note. It has a lot of different kinds of application.Meanwhile other characters that ARE kind of one-note get excused or people actually riot if they are made to do anything else like Blaze.
>>583481108>You're creating your own mythology here divorced from the actual design process.That isn't really true, as the air dash isn't an exploit, it's just rarely used by casual players due to having uses specifically for going faster, so many just play Advance 1 like an older 2D game. It's a similar thing for Knuckles' glide, which is able to gain absurd speeds if used right, but average players using it don't realize this due to not having as much experience with the game. Yet, Superstars still nerfed it specifically in spite of otherwise trying to keep the characters accurate, even though it led to some people finding its version of Knuckles unsatisfying. This is also not considering how CD turned walking on stage ceilings from Spring Yard into something required to access certain areas in its Collision Chaos and offered a time attack mode. I can't say for certain what Advance 2's design process was - no one can until a level designer/director on that game says something, but it's more likely that they learned from how experienced players used the air dash when all of Dimps' games focus on higher difficulty and pushing players towards that, and why SP Rings are so demanding in Advance 2.>Not really.What makes you think so? I am curious, I don't think any other 2D Sonic game plays like Advance 2 and 3 do, and a part of that is how much Sonic has to rely on tricks, both to access paths and to play efficiently, even beyond just the air dash and upward trick there's things like the stomp to instantly stop in certain situations, or how rings in both games increase your speed at certain thresholds.
>>583481535Spider Man Brand New Day is successful because it's a story about Spider Man facing an opponent who stands against everything he stands for but is also a parallel to him. She's an example of what would happen if he really went bad. She hates him and thinks he's upholding the status quo and getting in the way of her violent goal of ruthless killing. He eventually inspires her and she decides to listen and calm down, clearly falling for him romantically. At the end she will do anything to keep him alive, even breathe for him. Surge is halfway through the same story arcs but Sonamyfags won't listen. They hate IDW so much that they won't read it to make sure they're right. They repeat the same words every day because they're so obsessed with Sonamy that it ruins their brains.
>>583481939Why are you so mad?
>>583481956He can be good looking or attractive but be a pathetic sissy in romance.>using IDW for anything
>>583482052It's been seething because everyone mocks its spiderman spam as being off-topic /co/ crap.
>>583481889These pics are so cute
>>583481956There's a huge difference between the IDW flirting and Archie Sonic
>>583479029Some arguments ive seen against 2000s Amy claimed "she was a trope" and "what every female lead was back then" when she really wasn't.I remember people calling her the Anti-Peach back then.
>>583481716There wasn't any kind of romance(not even one-sided, desu) or even anything much of substance with sonic and blaze, elise and sonic was less about the damsel in distress plot but moreso sonic actually playing a major part in opening up a sheltered princess who is forced to be reserved and lonely by her duty by offering her some kind of freedom or choice.
>>583481905Yeah, well, it still doesn't really work because we never see Elise actually being like thatBlaze is a more developed character, in exchange for her having a shallower relationship with Sonic, yes
>>583482157My favorite part of that one is the strawberry earmuffs
>>583480693You have a point but stop using Sonic X as an example
>>583482216True, IDW is canon. Archie is just a mediocre fanfiction.
>>583479281I remember when everyone insisted Kari was Takato's teacher because they shared a VA. Some people argued unironically that Yamaki was Takeru.Shit was wild.
>>583480737Who'd he piss off?>>583480812Oh good.
>>583482243I still see that, but it was really funny when the character video came out recently and I saw some Japanese tweets saying how she didn't fit into conventional heroine boxes at the time and how different she was.
Why does Sonurge make Sonamy fans so mad if it "has no chance"
>>583479320>series all about being your authentic true self indepednant of ehat others think.>except for Amy tho. She needs to conform to my arbitrary social restrictions to be acceptable.What are we doing man...
>>583482052I've seen this loop happen over and over. Sega whores out the license, does hamfisted cross promo with the games, the games get worse, they do a soft reboot and the cycle continues.
>>583482494Because it's an excuse to spam offtopic bullshit, and the Sonurge fan (singular) is insanely autistic.
The same 5 people btw, fighting over an empire of dust.
>>583481897>Blaze is R63 KnucklesI thought that was Rouge (Modern)/Honey (Classic)?
>>583482589What is autistic about posting this ship? It's cute.
>>583479484Sorato has more substance to it that Taiora. Taiora is literally just putting Tai with the closest thing to a cool/main girl.Sorato makes perfect sense for the characters and given they both had that arc with the dark emp cave in season 1, I get the sense it was very much always intended.
>>583481659Her old portrayal is considered bad role model for girls because feminists believe girls and women have to behave like boys and men and hate romance in order to be strong, which is even more ironic when you consider that these feminists don't even know how to define the word woman
>>583482416He just downloaded and ran a virus.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaV7rhha8y0>May 1, 2026Was he looking for a download of Tomodachi Life and fell for one of the fake malware ones?
>>583481087They'll sell those nigger-rigged TMNT models but won't dare sell Riders DLC which would make them a million dollars in 5 seconds
There's at least ten Sonurgechads on sthg and that fact makes besties seethe
>>583482687Thank you for proving my point.
>>583482778You're just proving to be a seething bestie yourself.
>>583482026I agree with you, but it seems like these sorts of love-driven characters tend to be disliked the most by some people, whether they see it as annoying, not action/deep enough or only existing to appeal to men. I don't think any of that is true for Amy, but whenever a character is deemed annoying in general by some, these kinds of people rarely care about what others see in the character. >It's not a dynamic with only 1 note. It has a lot of different kinds of application.I agree. In games like SA2 or 06 she's there for emotional/thematic reasons and that's what is explored, things like her line from 06 is to show how much Sonic means to her and why she doesn't change, for example. Games like Heroes are sillier, so Amy is there for fun interactions. Games like SA1 play around with tone/focus, so she gets to be both.
At this point Sonurge chads understand Sonic more than Sonamy besties
>>583482865>no uThank you for proving my point about the Sonurge's weak composure again.
>>583482537>except for Amy thoand Knuckles who inherited the duty of babysitting a rockand Emerl who has to learn to defy his programming to be nice to peopleand Eggman because its bad when he does it
>>583479372>she wasn't really shipped with others before tri.I remember her being shipped with Izzy before Tri but I always saw it as reach. I was surprised when Tri leaned into it.I love Mimi, and Izzy was my fave from Adventure 1. Mimi and Amy are similar archetype actually and got shit on similarly.If Mimi can get her redemption, so can Amy.Its why I know people that insist nuAmy is necesary are wrong.
>>583482967You said>spam offtopic bullshitSonurge isn't offtopic>Sonurge fan (singular) is insanely autistic.There are many of us. At least twelve anons.
>>583482719I don't think Sorato is innately bad, in fact i see the appeal, Yamato has a lot of what shoujo romantic leads had at the time late 90s/early 00s but it had no built up whether platonically or romanitcally, it just happened without the writers bothering. at least taichi and sora were close firends although i am not a taiorafag either.
Stacyiona!
Sure feels like a Sonic the Hedgehog general in here.
>>583483126>more projectionYou couldn't prove me more right unless you did it on purpose.
Digimon shipping is the dumbest bullshit Sora has zero personality and I don't understand why anyone gives a flying fuck about her or who she ends up with
>>583483297Why are you so mad?
>>583479651Youre kinda proving the other anon right.The reason you think this is because you are importing tropes from american cartoons you grew up with.The idea starting adventure is that Amy is actually seen as a catch and is seen as high value which challenges Sonic's image. Sonic doesn't date in general and Amy says "challenge accepted. Im gonna be so cool, you'll have to acknowledge me".Amy is a gyaru. Her archetype is closer to the cheerleader or Stacy in western school social hierarchy terms and her SA1 redesign is supposed to be a "glow up".
>>583483374Why are you projecting your own seething anger on me? You're been abusing all kind of fallacies to try to prove me wrong and failed miserably every time.
>>583483325I said that about FOP shipping and got called a trixiefag. you must be a salty Taifag
>>583483461>no uBestie...
>>583481087Holy jiggly Rouge.
>>583482861Is this what we're going to see in that upcoming Sonic show for preschoolers? Pandering to the brainrotted Gen Alphoids?
>>583483539I accept your surrender.
What do you think of her face? Which face do you like more this one or... >M'am are you aware that you are a fox? >I miss my husband, /sthg/. I miss him a lot.>>583480143You mean you'll write them or just suggest premises? Have fun rewriting Prime or Arena.Prime really should have had tighter writing and focused on Sonic & Nine. So disappointing when Nine said "I got nothing" no shit, season 3 was 1 long-ass boring battle that made the 4th shinobi war look interesting. season 3 was fought in a wasteland with a few crystals.
>>583483619Yes unironically
>>583483643AI slop.
>>583482719>>583483218I always thought the Taiora salt is because they are very similar to a default anime romance. Like Ranma and Akane. And they really do have more interactions than Sora and Yamato, but the plan was definitely always Yamato and Taiora doesn't really get acknowledged until Tri
>>583483443None of what you said contradicts what I said. If anything the more attractive Amy is, the cooler it makes Sonic look to reject her. But on the other hand, as I mentioned, she can only be so sympathetic, or else the audience will start to feel bad for her. The early 3D games were walking a delicate balance to accomplish this, I feel
>>583483643What do you think of these faces? anons over the age of 30 ?>>583483774But enough about your face. broccoli head.
>>583483856Looks like shit. You should be ashamed.
>>583483526I am never talking to FOP fags again. Tootiefags don't fuck around.
>>583483619better to pander to babies than to old men
I wanna fug the smug bug.
>>583484003they are sonamyfags but tootie instead of amy
>>583483643They look awful. The original image was incredibly beautiful, and you ruined it.
Evil Sonic is growing stronger
>>583481087*Vomits* that is Jet's voice? He makes Sonic's voice sound deep.>Wave>Calling anyone a kid with that voiceWas Wave the same voice actor behind Tails?>Sage and Rogue's voicesWhy do most of those sound like the same voice?
>>583484046this is canon btw
>>583483325Main protagonist Main girlThat is it. That's literally it. The movie brainwashed an entire fandom
>>583483856>"what do you think of that">say what I think of that>"NOOOOOOO STOP THINKING THAT ABLUBLUB I AM LE SAD"Damn, you're sad.
>>583481223Want me to copy-paste what that one crazy femanon said about her? she's got a point you know.
>>583480384SA2 Amy is involved because she wants to help. In Heroes, the game ends woth her running off after Sonic to the next adventure.Its a case I think of a lot of people either not playing her story or not paying attention to it in SA1 so they dont have the context when interpreting her later appearances. But then again, a lot of casuals think Sonic is capeshit who's main use of his time is actively fighting Eggman or whatever.Amy's adventuer loving aspect should just be assumed by default the way any other character trait for other characters is if you've played SA1 and arent backporting misconcpetions.A lot of people especially back then tended to read anything Amy says uncharitably as lies or excuses to "justify" obsessing over Sonic and it was really annoying. Why would Amy need an excuse to do that when she is open.about it half the time?I remember getting into arguments with people over it on the wiki.
>>583484157Canon>>583484046Not canon
>>583483526I'm warning all of you. Sonamy fans will aft exactly like this next year
>>583484191>Main protagonist >Main girlThis is how it works for 99% of media where there's a romantic relationship for the protag. It's pretty understandable why these expectations exist.
Sonic is unrealistic. He should swear and bleed and get mad sometimes.
>>583480469Her being slower isn't intrinsic to the appeal of the style. Her thing was mainly the "not spinning, but using her hammer + tech to compensate" thing and none of that precludes Her from doing tricks on ramps or needing to roll.The idea it does makes no sense.
>>583483325It's the exact same reason people ship Ben and Gwen or Harry and Hermione or Naruto and Sakura . Being the lead girl is automatic privileges and overrides any sense and logic
>>583484320It's funny because SA1 opens with her talking about how boring it is when she's not out on an adventure with Sonic and Shuffle has her outright say that her dream is to be like Sonic. But for some reason telling people that she wants to go on adventures with Sonic is like some foreign concept they just can't wrap their heads around.
Amys Rise Up
>>583484201>>583484141>>583483932>AshamedHeh good thing I'm not a woman or underage like you. Also You're CRINGE. Hahaha. You just got filtered with AIDS. Oh do you mean this original image? I don't know... I think anime female Tails wears it better, especially the chest fluff. It is kinda uncharacteristic of her to look so kawaii and young looking though.
>>583484648>everyone i don't like is the same personMeds. NOW.
>>583483643>>583483856Second batch looks more fitting for her.
>>583480812Just checked and ehile he seems.to have recovered a good deal of em, most are still clearly missingI dont see Sonoc Dissected at all.
I wish you anti-ai sloppers gatekept complete retards like Woefag or Realdash too
>>583484758Weren't you just called out evidently for faking (You)s in the previous thread?
>>583484847That's sad. I think YouTube can recover lost videos/accounts if enough people bring it to their attention on Twitter
>>583482276I don't see how,if anything we see her duty effect her more with Iblis's sealing and her dad advising her to not cry, and we get the sense she's lonely before she had a fateful encounteer with sonic. in comparison blaze's background as a princess and her duty concerning sol emeralds is a last minute reveal.I get the sense this is more about blaze being a cool girl or having a better aesthetic appealing to you more.
>>583484867OCs are fun, tho
>>583484758Uhh I didn't say that? at all? do you want to referred to as they/them instead instead of (You)? Also nice timestamp>What timestamp?*Grabs your nose* :))It's too bad Brazil is right under North America... it should have been in the middle of the Pacific ocean so I can tell you apart just from timezones, like I do with Australia.
>>583484387I think the 2000s were the only decade where defying this was the norm because they were trying to normalize that the main girl doesn't need to be the main love interest. In the 2010s shipping culture started to affect canon so writers would start appealing to what the shippers demand
>>583484867AI sloppa
>>583481517Always knew it was you, Tootieschizo.I actually do support Timmy x Tootie. Im just being honest about how the show was.Trixie is and was shit
>>583484648You downloaded it from this same thread you dumb bitch >>583457368>>583484867This would be dogshit even if it wasn't AI
>>583484868>everyone i don't like is the same personMeds. NOW.
>>583483809>>583483218Well yea i personally just didn't really like how Sorato came out of nowhere despite the two characters being in proximity. regardless of taiora or not.
>>583484996
>>583485053>In the 2010s shipping culture started to affect canon so writers would start appealing to what the shippers demandAnd this is why you treat the 2010s and 2020s with spit in the eye while they screech impudently.This is actually why I made Tails and Sonic not be into each other with the only excuse that they aren't the same species.
>>583484867>RealdashWhy Realdash? They draw.
>>583481578No lol. In 2026, a regular woman is performative woke busybody lusting after criminals and little boys and yaoi while complaining about men.
>>583481716That's a poor read of SoneliseThe substance of Sonelise is Sonic helping a closed off and sheltered girl come out of her shell with his charm and attitude
>>583484976>we get the sense she's lonely before she had a fateful encounteer with sonicno we don't. The screentime where Elise is onscreen in 06 and Sonic isn't probably amounts to less than 2 minutes>in comparison blaze's background as a princess and her duty concerning sol emeralds is a last minute reveal.... if you didn't play Blaze's story, maybe. Granted the princess thing is never relevant regardless, but you actually see that she legitimately does not understand how to relate to people at first.
>>583485305Amazing how the usual ''women only like chad macho bad boys'' and ''women only like sissy unmasculine twinks'' extremes become combined into one package now.
>>583485305But assertive and strong too
>>583485149>This would be dogshit even if it wasn't AIBecause you are a woman. A WOMAN, but I have a question for you; do you not relate to femTails? Can you not self insert into femTails? >You downloaded it from this same threadUhh yeah? Did I deny that part? You need to take your meds.>you dumb bitch Hey I'm an asshole, not a bitch. :^) want to interview me, gen-alpha-chan?Wait, did anyone say I was a woman for the past 20 threads? I haven't been here often.
>>583481897Elise isn't really Amy2.0. She more becomes Amypilled and moves closer to being Amy-like
>>583485149>This would be dogshit even if it wasn't AIIrrefutable.
>>583485559Truly we live in mixed times where blacker gray is white and whiter gray is black.NOT CANON btw. Sonic doesn't wear blue lipstick.
>>583484868There WAS a second person (me) but I'm 75% sure two of the three samefag lol
>>583485271I'm still using my Linux Mr Robot H4x0r1n6 skillz to matrixwhiterabbit PING your IP through CAPTCHAS by the way, I'll destroy all your computers and take over your Twitter account if you keep posting your garbage general>>583485594Nope, you're a dumb bitch
I'm running out of instant ramen...
>>583485612Since 06 is just trying to be SA1 again, Elise is about the closest thing to something representing Amy's role in SA1Though the Gamma stand-in for 06 is actually Shadow, so the analogy breaks down swiftly
>>583485886Did you know that in the US, instant ramen is considered poor college kid food, while in East Asia, it is considered a delicacy?
>>583484535>not spinning, but using her hammer + tech to compensateYes, but what gave this meaning in the context of a Sonic game (which don't focus as much on combat with enemies compared to some other 2D action) is how she had to approach terrain and deal with struggling at having the speed to progress through some areas in Advance 1. If she is made fast like the others and do aerial tricks, she ends up being a worse Sonic because her hammer flip jump wouldn't be enough to reach most areas in Advance 2 (a lot of them are vertically spaced out specifically to force characters to find ways to reach them) and she wouldn't need to rely on her hop to gain speed. A character whose abilities are made useful due to being unable to interact with stages the same way other, faster characters did doesn't work in a game like Advance 2.
>>583485876 (Me)*your garbage in this general>>583486003>Since 06 is just trying to be SA1 againYou're taking it too far, the similarities are more so in how the game is structured and even then that's still mixed with SA2's design and mixed with its own ideas
>>583486019yes, I'm on my second pack and I want more...
>>583482046>That isn't really true, as the air dash isn't an exploitNot what I said. You know what I mean. They didn't design and balance the entire game around that level of play.
>>583486019Whut????Not that anon but are you pulling my leg?
ARENAFAG EXPLAIN yourselfWhat were you THINKING when you wrote this joke? >>583413484>>583414540>>583420238
>>583485271>>583485594>>583485806That's like your opinion, man. I prefer big burly male swooning a female.
>Despite the reputation Tails' Skypatrol has received,..um, I uh, I don't...what?Which esltard at the trivia section felt the need to write that? Might as well say that for 40% or so of the series.
>>583485876You might want to check the Sharty /raid/ on the tofujak party, specifically the one talking about 4chan.https://www.deviantart.com/plantyn
>>583486405The one place in the Sonic Wiki that is really bad is the "reception" section of the Ken Penders article
>>583486521Ken Penders is a loser.
>>583485886>>583486019Blegh, it tastes like hot water with wet socks. It's just water with spices.>>583486349Because you're a woman or a big burly man?>>583486270Was everyone calling me a woman there? heh i'll answer it in a bit. Do you really want to know?
>>583486449Tangle the Honorary Cat
>>583484868Yes, that's him.>>583380518Check the word cutout at end, it's the same. He's really doing that.
>>583482276Hit take but I don't think Blaze is that much more developed than Elise. People just like Blaze more on a surface level. She is an animal character and playable and actually fights and gets a character exclusive Super form equivalent.
>>583486681>It's just water with spicesLiterally what a soup is.
Learn to draw instead of prompting the same 4 half-assed poses and expressions, holy shit you niggers both duo and the tailstranny.
>>583486483I'm not visiting your thread nor your Deviantart page
>>583486597He's based and living the dream.I wish we lived in the timeline where he ended up writing a Sonic game instead of Flynn just for the shitstorm it would have caused
>>583486838Seething Sonamybesties
>>583485806Sonic should totally scare every woman by wearing blue lipstick and kissing them.We all know every landwhale in here including the gay men would accept anything just to get a little hedgehog dick... till society starts judging them and then they tell Sonic to stop acting like a crossdresser.
>>583486838I don't need to draw.
>>583482441Because she was! And i'm tired of people saying she wasn't. Usually the sweet kind girl character was a pacifist who was against fighting but Amy was different because she stood on business, imposed herself and didnt take anyone's shit.
>>583486863>wastes his time clinging to a franchise he hasn't meaningfully contributed to in decades>continuing to shill his shit fanfic no one cares about>living the dream
>>583486723Honey let her join the catgang because she finds primates fascinating (wonder why?)
>>583486928They're always the same inbred dataset, as inbred as the user.
>>583486818Except you know soup is much thicker like tomato soup or cream soup.I hate soup, you should try some european dishes.>>583486838Batman should develop some super powers instead of relying on all his gadgets and his bat mobile. Batman should also fix his own meal instead of putting Alfred to do it. >:) I will accept your NANI!!!!'s now.
>>583486838>Learn to drawI have and you know what I found out? That most artists just trace photographs and 3d models.
>>583482441I think part of it for me is Amy showed a model of girliness that wasn't synonymous with being weak or a doormat.The 90s and early 2000s was when we were getting more and more girls who proved how competent and respectable they are but not being girlie because it was seen as weak.
Sonamyfags are mad that Surge is hotter and a more interesting love interest
>Doesn't like soup
>>583487290Tracing is unironically a good skill.
ai slop made me appreciate manmade dogshit
>>583482980>Knuckles who inherited the duty of babysitting a rockThat's what he wants to do though. Play the games.>Emerl who has to learn to defy his programming to be nice to peopleMaking things up.>Eggman because its bad when he does itYes, but Sonic still respects hos right to do it
>>583487441FWA...
DIE HARD THE HUNTERRRR
>>583486812Unlike Elise, Blaze actually interacts with characters other than Sonic, so she has that going for her too. That's why her relationship with Sonic has less to it, because she only meets him towards the end of Rush and is busy doing other shit otherwise. She actually has a character arc, whereas the revelations about Elise feel like a midgame retcon
>>583483218They werent close friends though. They just happened to be on the soccer teams at the same schoolSora was to my knowledge not even on the same one since they were gender segregated.
>>583487467That is so sad :( you must really appreciate horses over cars and even airplanes.>>583486270Hmm what I was thinking.. let me think..wait.. Lmao people thought I was a woman?
AI will never be art
>>583486863Oh. Hi Ken. Still pretending you were doing good job, instead of being the most hatred writer?
>>583487498Tracing drama wasn't as big as AI nowdays causing a moral crusade across the internet, yes it's still cheating but at least you had to put your pen on the sheet and turn that photo into a shitty animal character.
>>583486192>They didn't design and balance the entire game around that level of play.Maybe, but how do you explain things like the Sky Canyon pit bothering a lot of casual players? Or how some SP Rings, even early on, require usage of the new moves to access? Or bosses being designed around using the air dash to catch up to them? I can't say for sure that they designed the games around that level of play, and it can be all coincidental, but when considering that Dimps' games are mostly higher in difficulty than other 2D games and Advance 2 in particular has moves that matter only for these kinds of players (somersault and stomp for Sonic as an example) and design that seems to be made with experienced players in mind, it's reasonable to say that the moveset revamps are to serve the stage design and the changes are rooted in that. I don't see how Cream would be the main cause of changes because she's explicitly the beginner character and unlike even Tails in Sonic 3 whose ability allows engaging with the game's larger and complex stages more easily, Cream's flight is weaker than Tails' and her other ability serves to make enemies and bosses easier.
>>583483809Not really? Sora wasn't a tempermental tsundere type like Akane. She was an emo girl with mommy issues and mothery tendencies.This is kind of feeding into my general point tho about projection. Mimi was the obviously girly girl one so Sora gets projected upon whatever people want because her character isn't all that stand out, but she plays soccer and is seen more as a lead than mimi so she gets paired with Tai.
All of this over a blue hedgehog.
The dogshit he keeps shitting out would never be good even if he put effort, so it makes perfect sense that he's just mass producing slop without even looking at it.
>>583487441Talk for your are self.
>>583487904Non-religious non-nobility drawings will never be art. Whatever you say.
>>583487928This sounds like cope.
>>583487441Not really.
/sthg/ loves AI generated images and AI generated posts.
>>583483839>If anything the more attractive Amy is, the cooler it makes Sonic look to reject her.The idea is supposed to be tjat Sonic is overwhelmed and taken aback by her. Not that Sonic is a dudebro chad who says "fuck foids, amirite" because he is too cool for loser women or whatever.
>>583488106Yes, yes, we know you're a Chinese woman AND a Bhutanese man, they/them.https://www.deviantart.com/micktrap397https://www.deviantart.com/plantyn
>>583488230That's why we love Sparky!
>>583487917>instead of being the most hatred writer?Why is he still hated more than Ken Pontac or Evan Stanley?
>>583488130AI slop is not art because art is supposed to channel human emotions. and a machine has none. Robotnigga will never win.
>>583488230Nah. We hate the abominable interelligence.
Avatar or signature use. Trips are for filtering.
>>583487917Unironically, how much of a problem would people have with Penders if it wasn't for the lawsuits?Towards the end of the run he had obviously gone too far with the soap opera shit, but no one really complains about early Archie, and Ken was writing for Archie from almost the beginning
>>583488358Clearly not you have to be delusional to believe this is the consensus here.
The problem isn't that it involves AI.The problem is that it's worthless disgusting and insulting horrible garbage spam that no one wants to see and that is only posted spitefully by a deranged schizo demanding praise. Being effortless AI slop is just emblematic of all that.
>>583488396He would've rightfully faded into obscurity.
>>583483839>But on the other hand, as I mentioned, she can only be so sympathetic, or else the audience will start to feel bad for her.Why? Amy is having a fine enough time with it. Again, it reads as projecting these narratives that if a girl pursues a guy she is needy and desperate when Amy wasn't depicted as such in the games. It was framed as her cutely messing with him and having fun with it.
>>583486681I got to ask, why do you assume anyone disliking your gens is a woman?
>>583488307Not a good writers, his stories have a lot of plotholesk his OC characters (all the guards and Knucklesancestroroes are using technology whil leetng nnuckles aln en neef jqijdon interfrer even when enerjek cul backà i eexplina more but lseeeping spills finally actngso finally, after 40 hours, SLEEEEEEEEEEP
>>583486349Because you're a small woman or a big burly man?
>>583484103What is the point of this character? She doesn't seem to have any special abilities. Even the sad wolf and dumb lemur have some kind of powers
Hotshelter is mad nobody cares about the booru and the shitboard.
Last Barry of the thread
>>583487467Even whiteboard?
Do you guys not have jobs
Dummies
>>583488520That's simple cause women, especially women really hate other women and extremely jealous of women... especially if you take their husbando and turn him into a waifu, roflcopter.And also because this general and the Sonic fandom is crawling with women. Same for the Harry Potter fandom, except for Malfoy, but everyone is shutting up about rule63Malfoy cause women feel when they are outnumbered and run away like the cowards they are. Women are controlled by societal pressure.
>>583488726No...Why wouldn't I be posting at work?
runners cower in fearwinners are me
>>583488605I'm not a woman so take a guess. You're not that dumb, are you?
>>583486101>but what gave this meaning in the context of a Sonic game (which don't focus as much on combat with enemies compared to some other 2D action) is how she had to approach terrain and deal with struggling at having the speed to progress through some areas in Advance 1.I think it would have plenty of meaning otherwise. Tails and Knuckles had their stuff despite the level design changes so ots moot to hold Amy and only Amy to this level of scrutiny.
>>583488726I post at work sometimes, but I'm off today
>>583488878What is your dating history?>NNa-nni? you can't ask a man such things you silly thingWhat girlfriends did you have? are you married?
>>583488665The point of her is that she has a dedicated role so that you don't end up with this again.
Maria needs spankings.But a kind anon alreay delivered, so I don't know if I can keep randing about that.
>>583489139Amy's dedicated role is "Sonic's cock sleeve"
Twitter is for losers and numbskulls.
>>583489223>>583489223>>583489223
>>583488665>What is the point of this character?side character who exists to make the hero look good. Will also be used as kidnap fodder or exposition dumper.
Quote:ARENAFAG EXPLAIN yourselfWhat were you THINKING when you wrote this joke? >>583413484 >>583414540 >>583420238 /quoteFake feminism has been a disaster for the 90s and 2000s and especially anime. Can't beat a woman up (except for anime when it's the bad guy beating a woman up or an evil woman getting beaten up)Can't have the woman be funny and whacky (unless she's Sticks, but then we call those women CRAAZAAYY cause Beast Boy is crazy for cracking a joke, he's a clown. Honk honk, like Harley Quinn).So I basically inverted it... instead of a man perving on a woman, it's an old woman perving on a young man. Kekekke, BUT I made that old woman look young to keep both the recognizable character and to make Sonic look like even more of a prude, kukuku quite devilish of yourself, Seymour.
>>583489131You first
>>583487640Unlike Blaze, actually interacts with Sonic. Also Elise interacts with Amy and works together with everyone to save Sonic.>She actually has a character arc, Elise has a character arc about opening up, letting lose and letting herself be a fun loving young girl and let herself feel things, while also balancing that with the responsibility of the world and her kingdom. She learns that it doesn't and shouldnt have to be one or the other as well as accepting her limits and recognizing where she belongs.>whereas the revelations about Elise feel like a midgame retconWhat are you talking about?If anything, later depictions trying to present Sonic as the one responsible for Blaze's development is the retcon feeling assertion.
>>583487957>Maybe, but how do you explain things like the Sky Canyon pit bothering a lot of casual players?The trick system isn't conveyed adequately. Thats it really. Most people didnt know they existed because they never have a point in the game where you are forced to use it to proceed in a safe environment
>>583488396Literally no one but Ianshills. Most Penders sperging is in part because it helped elevate Ian really when Preboot vs Reboot fags were arguing. At least thats how I remember it
>>583488665IDW only exist for the writing team to shill their own OCs and downplay the actual game cast that people actually wants to read about just because they aren't allowed to write them however they want or give them character arcs. So they just go>"Fuck it, i'll just write about my OC instead"Because the only way people would care about these OCs is by having them be in "official Sonic content"Notice how BoC don't do this. All those new characters are made to support and contribute to Sonic and Yuuta's story, not to be their own main charactersAlso notice how none of those new BoC characters are blobians because Sonic and friends are actually meant to stand out and making every single character blobians just causes Sonic and friends to blend in with everyone else
>>583490469Bestiebot tier post.
>>583491323meds
