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>Total War: SHOGUN 2 - Complete Edition - Game Overview
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>Total War: ROME II - The PANTHEON Updates - MARS First Beta:
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>Total War: WARHAMMER III - Lords of the End Times - DLC Overview
https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/blogs/102-total-war-warhammer-iii-lords-of-the-end-times-dlc-overview
>Total War: Warhammer III - Lords of The End Times - Free-LC | Neferata
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Old Thread: >>584118836
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Swear to Grandfather I didn't do any modding. This is just a vanilla name in the game for some reason.

How the hell did he even get lost in Warhammer?
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Anyone got all the warhammer variants of the viltrumite redrawing?
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so many men have died trying to take the walls, irl
and for what
it makes me sad
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>>584209179
Why is he drawn like he's in a gay smut image?
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>>584209301
2 op's ago?
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>vassalized kislev and an empire faction
>pissed off this dude

I did not realize it works that way..

>>584208927
>>584209203
Chaos works in mysterious ways.
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>>584209294
me on the left
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>>584209294
I think someone fucked with the name lists, I've been seeing a lot more 'normal' names popping up in game.
Also I had a random vampire lord have the exact same name as a random skaven lord nearby.
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>confederate neferata with Nagash
Well okay. My bad I guess.
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>>584209346
>>584209301
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>>584209308
Every couple of years I play ERE in Attila and watch helplessly as the light of western Rome is snuffed out. I then purge the middle east, rebuild and fortify then go on Holy Crusade to restore them.

I actually can't play Attila for long because the whole era makes me sad.
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8.0 and it's fixes were so good, barely any bugs

9.0 so far has been a shitshow of bugs, especially regarding niggash
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>>584209346
>>584209460
Cheers, for some reason these redraws tickle my fancy.
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>>584209497
>I actually can't play Attila for long because the whole era makes me sad.
you might even say that the whole era... the entire age... was dark
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>>584209637
grim...
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>>584209441
Nuh-Uh.
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So much shit on the screen.
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>>584209294
Oy vey
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Man AR really can't even fathom just how strong Thanquol is
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>ar a fight close victory 700 loses
>fight it myself phyrhicc victory 230 loses

dumb machine
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>>584210418
>AR predicts decisive victory, low casualties
>My melee line is half dead
Never use AR.
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>the reward for fulfilling your vows is... getting to lead an army without going bankrupt
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>>584210418
>>584210550
>AR
>My lord and two heroes are now at 10% HP
>My life mage apparently never cast any healing and was in melee the whole time
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>>584210418
I hate AR. It gaslights you, and you get a choice of "Spead your cheeks and get sodomized, or manual fight it to try to get a Phyricc, but also just lose the army but after like 10 minutes or less instead of ripping the band-aid off)"
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This is fucking retarded.

I can only muster 3 armies. These fuckers spawn more than 4 armies every fucking turn.
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>>584210736
Kill them.
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>>584210736
Sell some frontline territory to your vassals and go fuck with them somewhere else
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>archaon has 100% ward save for his entire fucking army
>he spawned on my doorstep

OH FUG
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Worst voice actors in the game? For me, it's Miao Ying, Yuan Bo, the generic sorcerer of Slaanesh, Tyrion...
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I forgot to disable endgame crises (I've historically found them boring). I just got hit with the End Times crisis and holy fuck was it actually engaging. Unique mechanics outside of just "lol tons of armies" that made it genuinely feel like the world was ending.
Is this new or have I just not experienced it due to never having them turned on?
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>>584210891
His spawn is so he always appears near your empire, preferably near your armies.
when I got the warning he was coming I immediately started expanding aggressively into Nagash's territory.
Sure enough, Archaon spawned next to Nagash, and I was able to take my time to see where his dark fortresses were to go after each of them.
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>>584200569
He doesn't have much reason to be chaos-aligned in Fantasy, either

>Your God-King does this to you. You feel the hopelessness of his failure. Abandon him as he has abandoned you.
>And pray to your dread gods?
>No. For I have none. Let the powers of Darkness favour me as they will. Let them lend me their strength and draw strength from my victories, if that is their want. You will not see me kneel to them even as I kneel to you now. All gods are fickle. Don't trust in them. I don't. Believe as much as you need to, or not at all. Ultimately, the only thing you can really believe in is in yourself.
>You serve the Chaos gods...
>They serve themselves, as do I. All will fall and burn for me. I will be the Lord of the End-Times...The harbinger of doom for all — man and god — for in a world of the slain, with no men, no savages, no ancients of the elder races to pray to them and erect their temples, what will become of these gods, their heroes and their daemons?
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>>584211048
It's the selling point of the 9.0 patch/DLC we just got.
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>>584211134
I always hated that shit
>I am going to attempt to do what every major named chaos lord/champion in the history of the setting has always done
>But I excuse it by saying I KNOW this will end the setting, therefore I am somehow deep and not the same as all of them

Imagine if like Abaddon went on a tirade like that in 40k
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>>584211141
I'm not used to getting things like that. I always just assume it's limited to new units, a new faction, and a race rework.
Is this the only endgame that's super unique?
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>>584211245
I mean, the 'kill everyone' plan basically worked. It's just the chaos gods were like "lol" about it because it turns out they don't need that world to survive
Abaddon isn't the one you need to criticise for having a plan like this, you should really be critical of the Emperor because he's the one who plans to kill the chaos gods and only ends up benefitting them
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>>584211245
Abaddon wouldn't do that because that's already the Dark Eldar's schtick
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Why did they do this
This weird as fuck Lord selection I mean
>Missing Lords are Generic Grand Master and Wizard Lord
>Add neither
>Instead add "Huntsman" General ???? (just a general but with bow lol)
>Turn Engineer into a Lord as well instead of making a Wizard Lord
>Now upgrade a hero of a single Knightly Order into a Lord for Ulricans, instead of finally adding Grand Master. Or at the very least be consistent and add Lord version of Ulrican Priests if they are making shit up
What is this mess even? Why make it like this? This is absurd and triggers my autism badly. It's 3 added lords and none of them what's actually missing. I could excuse Master Engineer Lord at least since he is actually unique, but this is absurd really
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>>584211380
When you start a campaign you can see there's now an 'end game' tab. There are three end games, you can pick one or let it be random.
Each of them is unique, though each has some complaints.
Spoilers naturally
Chaos: The biggest complaint is Archaon always appears near your borders, rather than invading from the North, your mileage may vary if this is good or bad
Vermintide: The biggest complaint is if you have too many strong factions still alive, they'll kill the vermintide armies before you can, and the vermintide only ends when you personally kill enough skaven to figure out their secret plan and stop it. There are ways to force skaven armies to spawn near you so you can snipe them however
Nagash: The biggest complaint is there is no stopping Nagash, once his end game starts you can only weaken him until he goes full ALL MUST DIE mode, and the world starts rapidly getting worse, so if you didn't expand hard enough to get to his mortarchs and kill them before then, you have a much harder time when he does get there.
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>>584211554
>Chaos
This is so fucking stupid. Why would CA do this?
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good morning sirs
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weird asss fuck map
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>>584211671
They explained in testing he would either wipe out all life before the player even saw him, or the AI would kill him through wars of attrition once the first or second dark fortress was dead.
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>>584211245
>he doesn't know
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>Rolled Karl
>All End Times turned on and all crisis starting from turn 40 - 50.
>All max diff
>Custom Daniel and Malekith end times events

Time for some kino last stands.
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>>584211671
World is bigger than in TWW or TWW2 even and many players do not play near the Empire and Kislev. So if he invades from North, such player will basically never see him, it was a nothingburger event in testing. It was even worse than in TWW2, where as Helves you had to travel all the way to the Empire to help Karl stop him after dispatching those randoms, but now you may be on the other end of the world even
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Siggy in AoS is such a sexy cunt...
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>>584211554
>Archaon always appears near your borders
Oddly enough, this didn't happen to me. He spawned somewhere in the Empire. I was playing Nagash, so I don't know if that affected it.
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>>584212004
Did you have any territory in the Empire, such as Drakenhof from confederating vlad?
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>>584210995
Bashiva, but I don't like critiquing the VAs too much, often it sounds like they were just given terrible directions by CA when they could've done a lot better
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>>584211982
faggot
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>>584211048
It's the big selling point of 9.0, alongside "LOOK, WE FINALLY ADDED NAGASH AND THANQUOL TO THE FUCKING GAME!"
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>>584211892
>daniel end times
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>>584212038
Oh, right. I forgot about that. I owned Drakenhof. He didn't spawn right by it, though. I only caught a glimpse of him once and he was in the western Empire.
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>>584212101
So it probably thought you were expanding into the region and used a random spawn point up there
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>>584211892
>Custom Daniel and Malekith end times events
link?
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>>584210995
I like Miau miau's voice a lot, I like how thick the accent is.
Not so much of a fan of Yuan Bo though, he doesn't sound chinese enough.
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>>584211554
Also be warned, the final quests are fucking bullshit levels of hard.
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>>584212225
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3751844578

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3811822275
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>>584209460
Massive missed opportunity to make Emmanuelle von Liebwitz be a smug as fuck Stacy, holding a glass of wine or something. Almost like she is saying "I know I am just a partygirl, who doesn't know anything about war or statescraft, but I know people who do, who can do that shit for me".
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>>584212609
>statescraft
Isn't she famous for basically building Nuln (the city) into a massive powerhouse to the point that removing the rest of Wissenland would actually improve the city since at the moment most of the city's taxes goes to subsidizing the vineyards who haven't produced good wine in ages?
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>>584209446
They should return some of the names from 2.
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>>584212683
As I understand it (I am a lorelet) the lore paints her as a very irresponsible Stacy, who just loves to party and doesn't give a fuck about anything else, but if you read between the lines, it's very noticeable how the moment her city is in danger, she makes use of all of her social connections to organize an excellent defense with the most competent people the Empire knows.
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>>584212385
jooo <3 thanks for the malekith ivasion
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>>584212683
art mimics real life...
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>>584212874
I mostly know her from her WFRP lore where it's heavily implied she seduced Karl to get to her position, then used her connections to, as you said network, but also to build up bits of blackmail here and there because she's a dangerously intelligent woman, but being a party girl is more fun, and puts more people off of her scent from realizing she's playing them.
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https://youtu.be/4tXC6bm3aGQ
watching this anime rly made me wanna see a total war where it starts in ww1 and ends by early cold war... it can be done
I dare say it could be called just "Total War" and nothing else
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>>584213432
Theatre campaigns... So hot right now...
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>>584211982
>Business in front, party in the back
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>>584213432
isn't that what HOI4 does with its weird narrative-based tech tree?
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>>584211982
troll pissed on him
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>>584213308
It's a 3K TV show meme
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>>584213471
>>584213557
it makes no sense to split up ww1 and ww2 into separate games
same maps, very similar models and a whole lot of shared units, they won't do that imo, it'll likely be one 20th century game, assuming both 40k and med3 survive...
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Playing Nagash it feels like there's a weirdly bad proportion to the amount of land I have and the income, especially coming out of 2 neferata campaigns.
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>>584211134
>>584211245
One might say his motives are beyond your comprehension.
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>>584213732
income in itself or in terms of tech/armies?
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Why didn't nagash just cast power word: kill on archaon and end the end times giving it a proper ending?
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Niggash can't actually be as hard and complicated as people say.. it's been going on nonstop, acting like he's the new Imrik.
I'll have to try him myself, even tho I hate him.
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>>584213432
>>584213705
i feel like this would have to become too abstracted to work as a total war game
it's the period where individual compact armies marching together and fighting pitched battles stopped being a thing
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>turn 30
>neferata killed both of my chaos dwarf buddies already
fucking bitch....
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are u supposed to use these guys as ranged first or melee with the ranged being like a bonus?
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>>584214258
>no unit cap

Tabletoplet sisters...
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>>584214221
that's exactly what people said about 40k yet they went for it
there are lots of possibilities, they could make massive maps with lower troop amounts operating within those maps than the standard TW, so like still 5000 troops a battle but spread out among a hugee map
smth like that
besides troop formations did exist too i think, either way eventually they have to tackle it assuming the franchise is still alive in 7-8 years ish
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>>584214145
Archaon has legendary resistance that lets him turn any failed save roll into a success 3 times/day
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>>584214145
Because the entire point of End Times is that GW was salty that when they did End Times before (Storm of Chaos), no one liked the new Empire super hero shit, and and very few people liked the new chaos shit, and the entire campaign got memed on due to online forums letting players network and figure out strategies (famously the dark elf players didn't like being considered a part of chaos so they just fucked around in battle/campaign-scenarios that didn't actually help Archaon, greenskin players due to the chaos favoritism of the edition chose to ONLY fight chaos factions, etc).
And the canonical ending of the original end times, is Archaon despite having lost every major battle on the way to and including Middenheim, getting through the empire's defenses anyway, killing Valten, and then getting KO'd by Grimgor who didn't even realize Archaon was a big deal because Grimgor was looking for a different Chaos boy who pissed him off.
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>>584214258
Melee, they kinda suck sadly.
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Top heavy snake dudes always look goofy.
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>>584214241
Based neffy punting the stunties
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>>584214145
Belakor reset the world every time Archaon dies
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>>584214258
Stick them where you expect large units to come, on the flanks if the enemy masses cavalry or in the front if the enemy masses monsters.

They can get an opening volley while standing still and bracing with their charge defence-vs-large. Then when the enemy large gets into melee and loses their charge, you kill them in melee. Then when the enemy routs, you shoot them in the back while they run away. Sepulchral stalkers have little to no charge bonus and a charge defence. Like giant spearmen that actually have the mass and speed to deal with large units without just being walked past.
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isn't it weird how these abilities do fucking NOTHING
they ltierally tickle idk whats the point of even using em
only the purple ball kinda hurts a litlte bit
meanwhile aislinn i believe army abilities completely wipe whole armies on their own
bti weird innit
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>>584213732
Neferata (and vampire counts as a whole post rework) have ridiculous income. It's probably going to get nerfed at some point.
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>>584214447
I think with a 20th century setting a lot of the Total War jank goes from being silly to just being straight up bad, their games get away with it because they deal with older history, fantasy or now sci-fi, but a bunch of American WW2 soldiers acting like Total War units would be too dumb looking even for casual audiences.
WWI is easier to tackle than WW2 and the Cold War and they decided against releasing that so I don't see it happening any time soon, they're probably just doing Empire 2 after Med 3 if 40k turns out to be the money printer they want it to be.
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>Play Neferata
>Super difficult battles to murder the stunties
>Finally have the region under control, using Astragoth's starting settlement as a defensive bastion with two necromancers stationed there to be safe.
>Time to start seeing how this coven mechanic wor--
>Arbaal walks into my territory
>Okay, that's weird, just walked into the middle, not even raiding or anything, probably on his way to the ogre faction he's at war wit--
>WHILE IN MY FUCKING TERRITORY HE DECLARES WAR SO HE DOESN'T HAVE TO FIGHT MY DEFENSIVE ARMY IN THE NORTH, HE JUST STARTS RAZING ECONOMY SETTLEMENTS THAT WERE UNDEFENDED BECAUSE NO ONE COULD REACH THEM

FUCK YOU
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>>584213524
He's all party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f4z4Wu9SSw
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thats a lot of captives
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niggash sisters, how could this happen?
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>>584214695
>12 damage over 1 second
KWAB
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>>584214770
>but a bunch of American WW2 soldiers acting like Total War units would be too dumb looking even for casual audiences
the most popular and highly praised ww2 RTS is currently gates to hell ostfront, and its pure jank, much more so than TW
the competition isn't fierce lad
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>>584214791
All blood belongs to Khorne, pale face.
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>>584214791
I love his incredibly cheesy VA
He looks and sounds like an angry fridge.
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>>584214825
>more captives than deployed

Did they.. breed them..?
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>>584214876
HE'S APPARENTLY ONLY UNDEFEATED BECAUSE HE'S A FUCKING SLIMY BACKSTABBING NINJA

>>584214893
It's honestly pretty great.
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>>584214873
>the most popular and highly praised ww2 RTS is currently gates to hell ostfront
What happened to CoH?
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>>584214791
>end turn
>enemy offers peace treaty with a big gold offer
>decline
>razes your settlement
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>>584214959
idk about CoH, but Gates is huge and gets a lot of love and support by the devs, janky as fuck tho
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>>584214959
coh3 launch was a disaster, singleplayer campaign sucked, very amateur and jank, but okay, it's a mp focused franchise now, but its still played a fair bit now that it recovered, ostfront is more
there are not a lot of ww2 RTS... which is very surprising
most are RTT focused not RTS, coh is the closest to a proper RTS
the only options are
-spreadsheet sims
-ostfront which is great but jank
-coh3 which is not jank but it's a dlc whore, lacking content and singleplayer content is ass
TW will fit right in
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>>584214825
what do you even do with so much elves?
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>>584215060
>janky as fuck tho
I remember at launch I couldn't get the game to boot no matter what I did, wonder if I still have it or if I refunded it.
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>>584214893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Laznpt0f3y8
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>>584215086
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>>584211759
They should've just done some scripting/rigging events to make it cooler. Have them engage factions north/south of the player (whichever they're closer to, have them come from the southern chaos wastes) while being coded to autowin every battle they fight in it. Three Kingdoms proves you can do some scripted stuff and still have it be kino.
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>>584214873
>gates to hell ostfront
damn that looks like a cool game, I'm gonna give it a try

TW:WW2 would be cool though, if they added everything like subs roaming wild before sonar, pacific war, d-day defense/attack, bombing campaigns etc

not sure I trust CA could pull that off, other than having a bunch of units move towards another set of units on a random map
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>>584214791
I HAVE ARRIVED
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>>584215359
i played it for the first time the other day, ostfront that is, seems likea great game wtih a lot of passion, but i don't like the tactics aspect too much and its hard to get into a bit, you have to think about ammo a lot... sometimes u run out on defense its easy because u can place ammo boxes or resupply vehicles, on offense its hard, have to either scavange, have a resupply vehicle drive up which is risky

also short barrel artillery dominates the battlefield in my experience, the 7.5cm small pushed gun just rapes squads a lot, u can also take direct control of soldiers in 3rd person and play it kinda like cod, which is efficient if u want max kills, still it can be foudn fairly cheap, its worth it, i'll do the campaigns then think about if i wanna buy the US or british dlc
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loli feet
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>>584215347
I imagine if they had more time/resources we'd see something like that.
But we're talking CA here, who are notorious for their management just telling the devs to fuck off with their ideas/projects, and then wasting the money made from a previous project on something that no one wants rather than improving the project that is still currently popular and selling.
The amount of time it would take to code in different starting locations and different ways for Archaon to do things based on where your faction is on the map would take far too much time with the amount of possibilities.
Let's not forget the event starts with every chaos owned province violently exploding, so that would need to be accounted for as well.
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>>584210995
It's not that the voice acting is bad, but the writing for the sorcerer lord of tzeentch is extremely bad. It's just them trying to cram "change" into as many sentences as possible. Yeah yeah I know that's what tzeentch is about, but when the dialogue in a frozen area is shit like "to be frozen is to remain unchanged forever" it's like cmon man
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>>584210995
Bashitva.
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>>584215990
*teleports behind you*
*mauls you with dual katar*
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>Valiant Defeat
This is your brain on Chaos
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this alone proves 40K will be shit. CA will dumb it down for the console cattle until it's barely recognizable as a Total War game
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The Slaaneshi cultist is cute no?
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>>584216363
but there's nothing to dumb down, we're already there
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>>584216332
I would feel very confident in winning this playing as the Norscan army but you will crush the bot. Are you using the mod that changes faction names depending on the size of their empires?
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>>584216363
this >>584216457
the whole point of this franchise is that it's approachable compared to paradox sloppa that needs youtube tutorials to learn
anyone can pick up and play any TW game you're constantly prompted about every single aspect of the campaign just in case u don't forget to use it
what more can u dumb down?
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>>584214695
they were made before powercreep got crazy
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3GNAi7m40c
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>>584216758
it's fucking OVER
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GROM THE JAK
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>>584216710
When would you say the tipping point was? My opinion's Grom. Tipped the balance over like a fat guy in a canoe.
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>>584216848
whats the problem other than paying more $$? not gonna watch any videos
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>>584216484
>I would feel very confident in winning this playing as the Norscan army but you will crush the bot.
How would you do it?
I don't see anything that could munch though my frontline fast enough to keep my SIsters from annihilating absolutely everything and I have 4 heroes flying around to hunt down the wolves and spot the Fimir.

>Are you using the mod that changes faction names depending on the size of their empires?
Yep.
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>>584216929
>Upgraded to 64bit
>Runs worse than Attlia
HOLYFUCK CA
HOW DO YOUFUCK THIS UP
HOW?!?!?!?

HOW!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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>>584216929
complaints of ruining the artstyle with the new graphics, 64bit not actually improving performance, no major bug fixes or changes etc and all this not being 10$/40$ and should have been free etc
(i am still buying it just for alt drag but the amount of dooming is funny, volound got his pp so hard for this release)
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>>584216869
Ikit Claw.
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>>584217009
>>584217048
damn, I'm considering getting it just because I never played it and at $10 I could be convinced

the performance part seems like the biggest fault to me
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>>584216848
>40 eurodollars for drag + move, faction unlocker, worse visuals and UI
On an unrelated note, I've been waiting on mods to update before I start a campaign. Plan to play Thanquol, but heard the latest hotfix patch broke the game more than it fixed it so much that even the redditors are upset. Should I just wait another week or is Thanquol not impacted by the issues?
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>>584217180
>never played it
but u do own it right
10$ discount ting is for shogun 2 owners

>>584217198
CAs argument is that shogun 2 + all dlc bought on no sale costs upwards of 60$, so charging 40$ for the full package is reasonable
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>>584217153
add the mod that removes the white dot
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>>584216929
I don't reward any kind of FOMO marketing (there's a time-limited 75% discount for original owners, but only for a month)
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>>584217153
greatswords chads, it's time to game
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>>584217253
>but u do own it right
ye
apparently I had it in my library but never played it
someone said they gave it out for free during covid so I must've gotten it then

>>584217304
fomo is gay but idk if I feel like this is fomo, if I don't want to play it now I never will, I think, so personally there's not much difference
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>>584216935
Wolves just keep on running even when harasses by heroes and Fimir+War Mammoths can walk through Phoenix Guard who are fighting against Champions. Didn‘t CA buff Phoenix Guard again in the 9.0 patch? I never liked this unit much.
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Which one of the Empire factions is the best for someone who never played with the empire?
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>>584217443
Gelt as the game suggest since he's not in any of the various bowls around the map
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>>584217443
Gelt because he's the only one where you don't get instantly raped if you don't know how to make good armies with thier units
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>>584217390
>if I don't want to play it now I never will
That's the exact mental note I use to keep myself from any FOMO purchases.
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>burn down the oak of ages
>finaly reveal the source of its mystical power
>its a skaven nuke
surely the dark gods will take care of this on their own, right....?
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>skaven ranged army
>ambush from forest
now ya fucked up
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>>584216523
Tutorials and explanations of the game for the user is dumbing it down? I don't think there even is a word that can accurately describe how utterly stupid you are.
Dumbing a game down is removing mechanics, reducing amount of things the player has to learn and understand. Warhammer 3 is by far the most complex total war there ever was.
And stop doing that retarded "this#1234" posting you subhuman redditor.
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>>584217443
MARKUS
WULFHART
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>>584217651
Isn' this guys campaign mechanics completely broken (as in nonfunctional)
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>>584217623
pharaoh campaign mechanics are about 3x deeper than anything in WH3 you don't know what you're talking about, WH3 is one of the most shallow total wars ever, it relies on tricking you with a variety of character models to make you overlook that fact, while even they mostly play the same, I like the game but calling it deep shows you haven't really played any other games
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>>584217713
Has been fixed since forever. The bigger issue is you having to deal with Exalted Daemons turn 20 in tiny jungle maps.
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>>584217623
>Warhammer 3 is by far the most complex total war there ever was.
utterly mogged by 3K, sissy
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>>584217805
3K is another great example of good campaign mechanics
but even attila campaign is way deeper than WH3, struggling to think of a TW campaign that's more simple
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>>584217772
>>584217805
It's a fact that Warhammer 3 has more systems. There is no arguing to be done here. Just go count for yourselves. The skaven alone put other total wars to shame.
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KILL THEM
RAISE THEM
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>minimal lord duel animations
>no beam struggle for mage lords

shit tranny game
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>>584217865
"more systems" means nothing if it's a popup you are encouraged to interact with every 15mins for buffs, you know that right? it's not proactive mechanics you don't REALLY need to do anything
3K spy networks, character actions embedded in factions and pharaoh diplomacy resource trading are examples of real campaign mechanics, nothing like that exists in WH3, the most complex campaign is chorfs and even that can be figured out in 10 mins
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>>584217865
>wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle
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>old mods aren't compatible with the new version
>don't add steam workshop, but a 3rd party mod site like nexus mods with a paid mods feature
yeah this shit was dead on arrival no matter if they changed anything or not
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>>584217961
More systems means more complex, end of discussion.
I don't even have to read anything more, you already failed at understanding what makes something more complex.
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>>584217774
>come over to lustria to hunt a few lizard pelts
>the epicenter is the greatest hell zone on the planet
It's very funny but Skulltaker truly fucked the Lustria vibe for everyone. If he was on one of the coasts like all the other immigrants it wouldn't even be half as bad.
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>>584218012
>More systems means more complex
you can't possibly be this retarded
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>>584218084
actually he can be that retarded
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>>584218012
found the POE player
>my skill tree of 10k nodes each with 3% increased damage is more deep than 3 skill trees for an ability that changes how it works
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Damn those random Chaos invasion armies are scary as hell.
Just had a chaos daemon of tzeentch of all things nearly 1v1 Thanquol.
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>>584218084
Not my fault you never opened a dictionary in your life before.
>>584218146
I have never played that filth, fuck that game. Absolute abomination. I used to play diablo immobile on the shiiter. Now that's a good arpg.
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>>584217651
i like markus, but this is a terrible suggestion
he is incredibly hard to play
>>584217443
BALTHAZAR GELT
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>>584218124
>>584218195
lemme try to dumb it down for passtroon
1: a whole made up of complicated or interrelated parts

things that would fall into this category: 3k spy networks and agents actually needing a brain to use, rome 2 DEI population and culture system, pharaoh resource trade system making diplomacy actually relevant (only tw game to do that)
things that don't fall into that definition: nagash or thanquil stop every 3 turns to open up a popup and select ur buff with no drawbacks, keep going
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do not engage passfags
if he wants to feel important he can go to >>>/vip/
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Godspeed you crazy bastards.
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>>584213082
Reminds me of the DC SUper Hero Girls version of Bruce Wayne
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>>584218242
indeed, all mechanics are not equal. obviously it's one aspect of being complex, but not the whole
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>>584214525
Completely and unironically superior to the End Times. I welcome a retcon to make this the canon outcome.
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>>584218242
>interconnected parts
Mhm, and warhammer 3 has an endless load of it. All these systems need resources or quests or hero actions or god knows what to then do other things which then do other things that affect stuff on the campaign and in battle.
It is by your own definition there, complex.
It never says it has to be complicated, saar.
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is overcasting searing doom a waste? it seems to concentrate more and do more damage if cast regularly
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AI Settta might as well be deleted from campaign if you do not start as Nagash to have a funny punching bag. This guy will never survive any campaign.
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Go to church kids!
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>>584216523
I think this is the take of someone who's a veteran of the franchise and has a hard time relating to the average consumer who would be coming into this blindly.
Since the RTS genre has been a shadow of it's former self for well over a decade now, the mere idea of interfacing with a game from a top down perspective using a mouse is alien to the average gamer today, it's why LoL, the biggest and simplest MOBA which is already easier to get into than any TW game, implemented shit like WASD movement and a shit ton of automation options and whatnot.
There are plenty of ways to dumb down TW for the sake of trying to capture a bigger audience
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>>584218493
you don't actually have to think or do anything to enable most of these buffs except maybe "amass more of this resource that u get by doing the same thing you'd be doing anyways"
and I wasn't talking about tutorials I mean how wh3 notifications literally prompt u about every single "mechanic" (clicking buttons in menus to get buffs) just in case u forget its there, its impossible to not know what to do in a campaign, u should play 3K to see how even TW can have some more complex campaign mechanics, WH3 is on the level of med2, what more is there to dumb down for consoles? you tap r2 and the game tells u what u need to do, same as wh3
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>>584218493
>it's not dumbed down because it has more interrelated parts
how can you ignore the word 'complicated' in the context of 'dumbed down'? come on, nigger
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>>584218576
Funny enough in my current game settra and volkmar tag teamed nagash and then volkmar cleared out the south for Sigmar.
First time I've ever seen him survive past turn 8 and he cleans house.
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>rattling guns variant of stormfiends has a chestpiece barrel that fires alongside the arm barrels
this is so fucking stupid, I'm never zooming in on these battles
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>>584218515
pretty much
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>>584218701
Not a requirement for being complex.
That's called user friendly.
What else do u want, clicking through 500 UI windows first?
>>584218702
Hm, so you really can't read. It say OR. Doesn't say it has to be complicated. I mean, read your own screenshot.
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>>584217525
>>584217532
>>584218218
Do I need other DLCs to fill out his roster with fun units or are there enough basegame units that it's fun?
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>>584218828
nah he's fine
guess maybe the nuln LL? is she dlc? i dont remember
but she gives units that he might be able to use
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>>584218084
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what the fuck is up with my feral mammoth being out of control at battle start? im not in combat at all
the unit is unusable because of this
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You guys are arguing with someone who pays for 4chan
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>>584218828
I don't think any of the Empire DLCs are essential to "complete" the faction
Markus' units are shite, Elspeth just doubles down on the things Empire is already good at, and Boris is full on cheating
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>>584218821
do you not remember your own posts?
>Dumbing a game down is removing mechanics, reducing amount of things the player has to learn and understand
you redefined dumbing down and started arguing semantics

dumbing down is making something less complicated, so in this context, you can't ignore complicated in the definition. but even if you do, you're arguing something entirely different. less complicated = dumbed down. >>>>it seems even you agree to this part<<<<
so what the fuck are you arguing
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>>584218828
the WH2 factions are the ones that had obvious holes in their rosters that DLC fixed. 1 and 3 are honestly pretty good with DLC only filling out niche roles or adding absolute juicers.
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>>584219013
Warhammer has an infinite amount of mechanics, which makes it a complex game.
Dumbing down is removing mechanics, like how fighting games often do it. Warhammer just keeps adding. Aislinn alone is a nightmare of systems.
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There are too many mods now. And so many of them look amazing. How? How can I find the time to try them all? The perfect game is in there. In the mod list. Modlist Warhammer... 3... you feel it too, don't you? The surge. The seafoam at your ankles. The sand sinking away beneath your hooves. The Modyssey... the Modnaissance... the Modalingian Dynasty...
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>>584218621
>Khorne clerics
TW40k won't have these. Because they're ripped straight from AoS.
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>>584218970
I'm not The passfag but I can't imagine using this site without it given how shit the captcha is now
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my challenge? undeniable
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>>584216523
I don't mean in-game handholding or even difficulty. mechanics that aren't compatible with console controllers won't be included.
the campaign map already looks pretty boring. sure, it's just the Alpha and also just a tutorial, but I've got a bad feeling even the finished game's campaign map will be off. battles? we'll see. maybe the Astra Militarum and Orcs could be fun as large armies battling other larger armies is when maneuver actually matters as opposed to Space Marines mowing down chaff, which is what that 'faction' looks like at the moment.
but it not having naval (space) battles from the start is already a bad sign
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>>584218964
rampaged, stop feeding fenth instead of hay
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>>584219127
jesus i look like this...
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>>584219127
He has the phrenology of a thumb.
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>>584218821
when your "mechanic" can be replicated with a 100kb mod, its not a proper mechanic for a strat game, do you know how many "sacrifice for stats" mods existed for norsca even before sayl
I like wh3 for what it is but complex it is NOT and its far from the most complex TW game, shit even shogun 2 is more complex by virtue of realm divided being a thing, it makes u plan out campaigns in a certain way
nigga just play 3k and see for yourself, the campaign mechanics are very cool, there's also realm divided in that game same as shogun 2 so you have to THINK during campaigns u can't just mindlessly rape like in wh3 or else the map will come down on you when you're not ready

for me complex mechanics are ones that actually make you think

>>584219145
we already saw battles it's just WH3 battles but with cover, complete with the small maps of wh3 and the OP army abilities, but they might nerf them because a lot of people complained about how its bs that u can just laser down the only real ork threat, nothing in the game looks less complex than wh3 to me
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>>584219116
Your definition of dumbing down is of your own making. It seems like you've read the discussion on it and misunderstood it completely, since removing mechanics is indeed a sign of dumbing down, but not necessarily.
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>>584219127
TW40k won't have them because lost and damned are the new squats or Sob.
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>>584219145
At launch the pez marines will definitely be the easiest faction, made for crayon eaters who make Khorne players look like Napoleon in comparison
Best we can hope for them is that they'll get a DLC LL down the line who'll play nothing like the rest
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Watch out, beastmen can ambush at any time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFeM5zK6irY
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The passfag has really ruined these past few threads.
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>>584219137
damn thats crazy
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>>584219223
>play 3k
>when wh3 exists
Yeah, I'mma get right on it.
I can't think of a strategy game that makes me more think. Let's see, what other shit do I play.. Anno, that's just an APM check, Stellaris is braindead flood the map as fast as u can, Age of Wonders only needs thinking in the faction creation, the gameplay is abusing your self made busted faction without brain.. CiV is wait for 10 hours then nuke everyone.
>>584219285
Besides the slave system I can't think of anything they oversimplified. I mean combat wise, wh3 is miles more complicated than older total wars. Dunno what else was supposed to be simplified on campaign compared to older total wars.
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Non-pass users are like troonix users - their time is worth nothing
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>>584219717
hes making mods, i dont mind him
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>>584219774
>Anno, that's just an APM check
a city builder is an apm check? what
3K is a more complex game than wh3, that's the point, maybe it's too much for your pea brain to handle though, that's fine
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>>584219717
He tends to ruin every general he posts in
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>>584219840
That game has combat, pvp even, u know.
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>>584219717
It was nice of him to make that mod work for anon.

>>584219774
>wh3 is miles more complicated than older total wars
Sure, that may very well be. I haven't even played any other TW games so I can't say. I'm just arguing on the definition of dumbing down and complex, and what it means. As it is, like that other anon said, I don't see how they could dumb down WH3, but I'm sure they can find a way. It's not just very complex as it is.
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I still don't get how lonely one man can be to buy a pass to bait people
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>>584219717
just ignore the faggot
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I thought nagash had the ability to summon bombers out of thin air
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>>584219934
nobody's playing anno for pvp
"apm check" is a stupid cope anyways, u don't need apm for 95% of the ladder in games like wc3 or aoe2 or starcraft, only for the top 5% is when it becomes descisive, but goys will say "aww just an apm check" and then not even bother getting into the top 50% let alone the top 5%, classic copout, for the majority of the latter its still strategy and how you respond with counters that decides matches, but pvp rts grind ain't my thing
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>>584219954
Ofc they could dumb it down. Remove all special resources, remove all strange UIs, make cities auto build, make armies auto play so u only have to use your lord, make skill trees automatic, there are countless things.
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>half the army which is completely ranged absolutely routes at the sight of karl raped
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>>584219740
The fuck? Is that how the captcha works with the pass, just one step? I thought all it did was remove the timer.
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RTSfags vs 4Xfags will tear this general apart faster than fantasyfags vs historyfags ever could
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>omggg 40k will be trash sisterss!!!
more like med 3 will be trash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3GNAi7m40c
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>>584220184
NTA but that is without a pass. Number of steps you have to go through depends on some rating of you, browser, ip, whatever, etc. Some sort of social credit system. Usually you start out with 4 or 5 and work your way down.

Passfags don't do captcha at all. And lowers the timer a bit.
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>>584220343
>Number of steps you have to go through depends on some rating of you, browser, ip, whatever, etc. Some sort of social credit system.
Then why the fuck am I stuck on Dante Must Die mode??? Not only are my captchas way fucking longer and harder than that, but I also have to verify email every single day before I can even post at all.
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>>584220459
3rd worlder problems
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>>584220109
I have played some rts pvp in the past but I can't handle fast games anymore. Breaks my wrist.
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>>584220285
but I love both
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>>584217198
>On an unrelated note, I've been waiting on mods to update before I start a campaign. Plan to play Thanquol, but heard the latest hotfix patch broke the game more than it fixed it so much that even the redditors are upset. Should I just wait another week or is Thanquol not impacted by the issues?
Is Thanquol good to play right now or is he having dozens of issues like Nagash?
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>>584220459
Probably because your IP keeps changing or you're removing cookies? If I change my IP and remove cookies I go back to step one, ie 5 step captcha and having to verify my email if I don't want to wait.

IDK if it's still Googles captcha they use, if so maybe being logged in on Google helps too, or similar.
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>#1
scary
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>>584220459
stop deleting cookies
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any mod to make this item stuff easier to manage? maybe "merge all" button or something? too much clicking to go through em all
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Imagine the doppler effect of this massive fart.
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>>584220110
Grimdark.

>>584219145
>mechanics that aren't compatible with console controllers won't be included.
While I agree I've heard of people playing CRPGs, which is crazy to me, on consoles so what do I know. Regardless I think it's too late to worry about consolification of games, I feel like that train passed 10 something years ago, sadly.
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>>584221264
fusion wizard
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Gravedark
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>>584221405
thanks lad
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Tombking.
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>wonder why my units keep idling
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>Grimdark
>Gravedark
If you told me these were place names in aos i might even believe you
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think i'll go empire + bretonnia + lustria and end it
don't have the stomach to push into cathay n shi, wanna try out the other DLC characters
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>>584222040
How was the endgame scenario?
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>>584220325
CA is greedy as fuck
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>>584222129
slog, archeon spawning next to my army when I only had 3 stacks, but destroyed him and now there's no chaos, the AI hasn't colonized the ex chaos ruins for like 100 turns now, very stupid, idk how hard it is to fix that, but it was chill getting over it, since then the old alliances held and everyone declared war on me considering me the new end times I guess

think next time I'll put it arriving 120 ish, not like 90-100, too soon, also lustria n ulthuan etc are fully safe from chaos, the forces should be more spread out imo, only one continent gets fucked
i'll try rat end times when playing boris perhaps



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