So Gigantic re-releases today with more stuff. For people that played Gigantic before, is it worth getting into?
its assfaggots
>>1247393You never played it
>>1247240Mozu, my daughterfu....
>>1247240game's already dead lmao
the servers got fixed, fucking finally
Finally, I'm playing gigantic again.servers are working and it's glorious!
>>1247240>is it worth getting into?tl;dr Yes.
Charging money for a dead game is a stupid fucking choice and I will not be buying despite being excited for it. At least I got some beta playtime and still enjoy my memories of it from years ago.
I bought the original on the Windows Store. Do I get anything?
>>1249115>https://steamcommunity.com/app/1924490/discussions/0/4363499814072268675/#c4363499814073541421Besides bragging rights, no.
Feels so good to be stunlocking Trippers again after all these years
Anti-cheat
I feel like I can't actually get any kills with T-MatWhat am I doing wrong here
>>1249111It allows people that wanted to play it to do so again.It also has no paid DLC/microtransactions and also more content.It's more or less mostly for fans of Gigantic and people that missed it the first time.
is it me or Roland is massively underpowered? Probably me but doing zero damage with his shotgun and im not even sure his abilities are functional as they should be other than the bolas
>>1249324Take left path on lmb and don't miss for free 15% damageTake single target rocket upgrades and unload all 5 into a single person
how do i upgraderino i started with the purple star girl, is she good
>>1249637Control settings should show it, idk your platform>purple star girlPicrel is definitely out of date due to the release patch but should be a rough starting point. Tried playing her with her non-aura build last night, seemed fun bu very squishy.
>>1249637Purple star girl was the undisputed worst pick for a long time but she got a few buffs yesterday. I think she requires a team of 3-4 other bruisers before she becomes good.
>>1249649I hope we actually get those concept art charactersthe other frog and big ogre girl look cool
>>1249727From what I could remember>Ogre was some kind of Berzerker-Tank who gets more damage + becomes harder to kill, the closer she is to death>Cloud Guy was like some kind of broom-witch but with a giant vape pen, leaving trails around that buff everyone>Not heard of the Rang dude>Little Frog was like a mortar that walks up walls
Accept the fucking queue!
>>1249830Rang was a mobile ranged who had several boomerang-like projectiles and a buff that gave him a speedboost and a double jump
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>/vm/ thread gets 25 replies in 3 days>/vg/ thread doesn't exist>/v/ threads keep dying or are slow as fuckWhy does no one care about Gigantic?
Shame his eternal weapons don't have different vfx on them
>all those avatars that say "offer not available yet"
>>1251218Everyone's still posting on the /v/ threads mainly. Last thread was up for a while and only a new one got made recently.
How do you counter Tripp again?
>>1251377Basically don't get caught out to begin with. She can't go in as deep any more and guarantee a kill while still being able to escape, she wins almost every single 1v1 aside from Xenobia and Margrave / Rutger / Knossos, but loses the moment another player / creature is involved.
>>1249649Why the fuck is knossos C tier? You can just walk up and kill him, he does no damage, and he's so much worse than any other bruiser.Easily worst character in the game, desu.
>>1251386literally any slow/weakness debuff and she explodesit's incredibly funny whenever i'm playing oru and a trippshitter tries to kill me while i've got my RMB and E off cooldown so i just slap her with both and win the 1v1
generally speaking, are the default builds any good?
>>1251397No. There almost always trash.
>>1251394Because if he starts getting kills, he's a Tank which hardcarries games because unlike Margrave / Rutger, he can and will just fucking kill anything that tries to dislodge him, and he has the most dangerous Ult in the entire game no questions asked.>4-6 second stun>pure true damage>cracks armor
>>1251218>absolutely ZERO marketingTake a wild guess.
>>1251478Didn't the teaser get to 1mil?Anyways anons, how do I Kajir?
>>1251486Copied from a post of mine in another thread:(Build) Everything that can apply debuffs, so bleed on M1, full freeze on M2 (though weakens also works), freeze on teleport, smoke dealing bonus damage per debuff, reduce sprint cost and increase speed ofc, and for the talent you could either go Backstabber for the lowered CD on M2, or Weak Spot if you like dealing bonus damage on his teleport.The game plan is simple, skulk around corners and out of sight prior to teamfights while charging M2 (you can cancel the charge by quickly releasing M2 after doing a basic attack) and smacking someone in the face with a full charged attack. Spread debuffs as much as possible, or go to wherever your teammates are applying theirs and start stinking the place up with his stealth, holding the ability to get a longer stealth, spread more poison and bonus damage, and to reposition yourself to wherever you feel like you need to be. I usually use his Q to reposition to new targets during fights after the initial ambush, though you can always initiate with it.The fun thing about his stealth is that sure enemies will "know" where you are because of the green smoke cloud, but so far nobody really pays much attention to the green smoke as they usually have other things that'd require their immediate attention. That and most people's aim go out the window once they have to vaguely guess where you are so there's that as well.
>>1251394>KnossYou gotta get into the groove with him; he's literally "mess with the bull, get the horns", but that still means they've got to mess with you first. Poke them out with your spears while guarding your team, then pop your buff and fucking nuke anything that comes at you. You can't make space as easily as the other tanks, but instead you're really good in a deathball that your team can move around in. The double-gore in particular hits like a fucking truck.
Give me builds giganticbabs
>>1252165
why play anything else
>>1252483Is that his counter thing? What's so good about it?
I'm still trying to find a character I genuinely like playing. The game itself is fun enough, I like just bouncing from character to character but no one I'm actually trying to get good with.
>le big relaunch>3k players on a friday nightHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHA
>>1252831It was only ever for people that played Gigantic or missed out on playing it back then.The game had 0 marketing.
Yo anyone wanna play ?
>>1252834If you don't mind PS4, sure, I'm good for a few hours (I usually do 3 games when I'm playing with /vm/ then call it for a day, since it's easy to get bunrt out playing along with somebody else)IGN?Meant to post yesterday, but I got busy, and today I kinda got derailed....
>>1252837 Are u by any change some oldfaggot from /palg ?ign: MF CΟΟM, copy paste the name otherwise u wont found it.
>>1252852It wants an ID usrename, which includes the number at the end of it. If you wanna add me, it's ZRaptorX99#348731Ad yeah, used to play with the /palg/ guys a bit (maybe the name clears things up)), but I just kinda drifted away. Was never one of the "main namefigs", I've always been just a lurker / gamer to whatever gen I'm in rather getting involved in the social shit (playign the game is why i'm here) (always ends with drama I'm just kinda like, not a botheredd with) (MAN'S GOTTA LIFT)
PAKKGOD
>>1252855good shiet tank chad
>>1252866>7/1 TrippYou're bretty good too Anon, nice work. Again, I'll be around for a~ 2 more
>>1252867i have outside disturbances in this match.
>>1252872and to top it off a power outage happened in my area ffs.ill play more games during the evening ill invite u if ur online. Thanks for the matches anon
>>1252872>>1252875That's too bad, whenever you're next on don't be a stragnerdamn that match was kind of a shitshow either ways
>>1252165The debuff build is the one I've had the most consistent of success with and I've only just made the Copy gang build that I'm trying to make work.It hasn't worked yet
Posting Orushitposter's infographic for the future.
>>1253001>killing enemy players gives 5 enemieswhat DINGUS could have made that misteak?
How do I get good with necromancer guy? I ususally just go the default life stealer build but it does such little damage.
>>1253001Orushitposter my beloved
>>1249649Poor Tiso, such a cool looking character stuck at the bottom of the list.You can feel the lack of damage, and taste the uselessness as you get picked off when playing Tiso.Not amount of Beyblades or mice can save this owl.
>>1249649Fuck is Kajir doing in C tier? He eats everyone for breakfast in seconds outside of tanks
>>1252879aight im back
>>1253483NTA, but I'm down for some games
>>1253519im trynna invite ya
>>1253528what's your tag?
>>1253541MF CM#345067
>>1253546For whatever reason, just wants me to open your steam profile instead of adding you.Shrug
>>1253551MF CΟΟM, copy paste it tho
>>1253553Veyom#457423Try me
>>1253569i invited ya !
I fucking hate Heaven's Ward>first phase is just fighting at big shitty doors with awkward stepped floors inbetween that melee have to try and platform across while ranged just trivially mow them down from raised platforms>second phase is just long straight hallways that are again suicide for melee
>>1253704If I see heaven's ward, I'm picking frog and cliffing people all game.
>>1253013>>1247240>>1249649Since /v/ thread died (and I can't post images there anyways, thanks jannies), been working lately as a side hobby on trying to finish unreleased characters without models/designs. Will post kits and talents of each on later time if anyone is interested.I did hear Bolga's animations in files got updated since previous build from minor leak, so my hopes increased from 1% to 2%, but yeah. I really wish I could live in reality where this game receives more characters and updates, as you can probably tell.
>>1253721take the aislop out
>>1253721Yeah I'm sure you "worked" really hard when you prompted Bing AI
>>1253737Will do, it's just as a proof of concept because my artstyle's shit/not as good as the rest.>>1253741These designs, yes, I've even admitted as such. I don't use AI for writing though.https://pastebin.com/YWR6ZMqAExcept for PORTAL and ELEMENTAL it's pretty rough and it's missing what I wrote for Emperor, because I'm still grammar checking it and making sure it's balanced, but let me know what you think unless I've already fucked up by using AI because I can only draw stick figures.
And if anyone else wants to mess with/see said heroes, then there's the write-up on Wiki for themhttps://gogigantic.wiki/wiki/Unreleased_heroesAnd here's how to access them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMgNwVmugSs
>>1253737>>1253741Y'know what? You're completely right, didn't mean to deceive you, so I took AI slop out. Thoughts?
>>1253771Genuinely better.
>>1253771good
>>1253771sovl
>>1253351All his damage is in his soul projectiles, not his primary, with good timing and aim you can get 4 to chain together, and each does more damage than the last. You've got breathing room to practice since he's a fucking limpet to try to kill and his Ult is a "fuck you, I'm taking you down with me" button, but he's extremely aim-intensive if you want kills and honestly pretty weak for how much effort it requires.
>free game re-releases with a price tag>there is NO guarantee that the servers wont just shut down again when the player count drops >steam reviews says bugs, bots, fps caps, and large queue times abound Should of been free to play, abandoning a game people care about and only coming back when project stamina has been growing in progress just feels like a slap in the face
>>1253834>couldn't play gigantic>can now play gigantici'm cool with it
>>1253859Idk man ive been burned by game companies too many timesliterally what is stopping them from shutting down the servers when enough people buy the game (that used to be free)
>>1253873Well, they've presumably got more money to run the servers this time. And if not, they added peer-to-peer networking for custom games, so at worst it will move back to discord lobbies.
>>1253878I seriously doubt it was a money issue for the serverslower player count = lower server costs. The game just didn't live up to the numbers they were hoping for and shut down the serversThere is a reason they opened the server back up with a price tag it is because they knew people liked the game but they weren't getting enough profits so now it has a price tag so they can recoup the "losses"
>>1253879Sounds like headcanon. Besides, they would have written off any "losses" a long time ago when Motiga dissolved.I don't think there's any ill intentions behind the re-release. You're right that they brought it back because they knew people liked it and would buy it, but there's no indication that they did it intentionally to make people buy into the game twice. Otherwise, why kill the original dev team? I doubt they even worked on it at all until 2022 at the earliest.
>>1253896>>there's no indication that they did it intentionally to make people buy into the game twice>twiceThats the thing anon it used to be free and had mtx like every other "live service" game but now they know the player base is not going to stick around and they just want to get their moneys worth rather than make a game people will keep coming back tooJust look at the steam reviews theres a shit load of problems with it but HEY GIGANTIC IS BACK GUISE!!!! OMG LOOK ITS BACK Ive been burned to many times and I see the signs of failure
>>1253834>project staminaYeah I'll believe it when I see an update from them in the past year
>>1253915Yea yea sure fineHOWEVER if these devs really cared about their game they would of released it f2p like it was before the price tag seems scummy to me obviously they couldn't charge $70 for it but the 20 dollar price tag seems just low enough to bait people into "supporting" the devs I don't trust it
>>1253917Also as an aside to my post, they should of at least made the game free to download to all players who played the original version Tell me why they did not do this
>>1253910But just to humor you, the underground private server community has hosted daily games for the past 6 years. I don't think they're going to stop playing now. If you have some arbitrary minimum player count in your head, then idk what to tell you.>>1253917you are starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist
>>1253919yeah that's funny, anon. they should compensate by giving away the game for free for returning players that played the game for free last time. flawless logic
>>1253921>>then idk what to tell you.Think of it this way: "hey [steam friend] you remember that game we used to play back in 2016 gigantic? >oh yeah that was funwell its back! we should play again>oh sick let me check it out>oh it has a 20 dollar price tag ah never mind i'm gonna go back to hell divers or whatever else FOTM game is hot right nowIf they REALLY wanted the player base back and if they were REALLY invested in making this a game to come back to they would of made it f2p>>they should compensate by giving away the game for free for returning players that played the game for free last timeexplain why this is a bad idea
>>1253930>friends refuse to play with youget better friends? nvm you're on 4chan>explain why working for free is a bad ideayou should apply to be a janitor
>>1253930because it's a fucking business but i think to pay them $20 is fair compared to having to grind for skins and heroes until you get sick of it and buy the MTX for additional heroes anyway that's going to cost more than the price of entry. and if the latter happens instead, people would be posting on how scummy and predatory it is and should hace costed $20. i don't know why people would want to support a system like that nowadays unless they're a whale or desperate
>>1253949>buy the MTX for additional heroesheroes should ALWAYS be free otherwise your game is pay 2 winmy point is that the game for the people that used to play it (not really a large amount of people to begin with) should be free it leads to word of mouth. "Hey anon you should check this game out the devs are back and making the game great again I used to play it a few years ago and the severs shut down but now the devs are updating it again" would lead to people checking it out a lot of sales of games are from people inviting other people to play it or talking about it on forumsIt would also garner GREAT favor of the original players "oh look this game I used to be able to play I can play again and just jump back in with all my old characters"Idk man it just seems scummy and rubs me the wrong way if they release the game in the exact state it used to be all of the GIGANTIC IS BACK!!!!!!! people would still be saying the same thing
Thanks, I love it.
>>1253957>gibs me dat fo' free or you is scummyI'm done. You win
>>1253963>ignores all of my post I accept your concession
>>1253957and again, it'll fizzle out and die because the publisher can't sustain it unless is has the backing of a massive corporation with tons of money to burn a la Valve with Dota 2 if it goes f2p. word of mouth didn't help them then either for being free and Iasted only a year back in 2017-2018 even after some good press surrounding Motiga. trying to spin this one as scummy because you have to pay for it now then insisting it should be f2p with mtx AND giving the whole thing away for free for returning players because they'll be paid in exposure argument is already hypocritical in itself, especially the model it had last time was quite monetized. and to say they didn't make any updates to this release is disingenuous since they not only rebalanced some heroes, they also added (!) two more that were then yet to be released and added another two more maps, a new mode then released a crossplay function on top of that with all the previous mtx being very much easily unlockable with how much in-game currency which they generously give out in most matches like free candy. Look, I even unlocked the entire roster in under two hours of play which is nothing compared to most f2p games unless you want to split hairs again by saying they should be available at the start
Aight anyone wanna play ?
>>1253996in qp queue now
>>1253996been solo queuing for a bit a few hours ago but I'll getting in again later
>>1253997>>1253998either add MF CΟΟM or MF CM#345067
>>1253834>>free game re-releases with a price tagYou do realize the "free" games you're thinking about aren't actually "free". You can play them freely, but there's a lot you don't get access to like cosmetics, characters and so on.If I played League of Legends and they had a "pay us 20$ and get all champs and cosmetics" I would pay that in a heartbeat over playing it "free".
>>1253873>>1253878>>1253879It's not really the servers that cost, but a live service game still having people working on it.Here there will basically be no extra work done on the game post-release.
>>1253930>they would of made it f2pF2P is by far the worst model for too many reasons to count.
>>1253996I'll probably hop on in an hour
imagine equipping badges
>>1254030but they're so pretty!
>>1253721>Bolga's animations got updatedFucking PROOF PLEASE I NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE
wishful thinking but the devs should release an offline mode, an engine swap and an regularly updated PvE mode so players get more mileage for this game
>>1254075>offline modeAren't custom lobbies P2P?
>>1254094yes, but joining is through lobby IDs that are issued by a master server.master server dies, and those IDs become useless.
>>1254011You dumb fuck, f2p is the better method for returning players as i have highlighted in my posts before If you have never played Gigantic™ before you should have to pay, if you played before the shutdown it should be free for (You)What is the issue with this I STILL have not heard a cogent argument for why this should be a thing
>>1254115your fucking points are stupid, you dense retard. this is why everybody disagrees with you. you're practically asking them to give the game for FREE to every player who played the game which is the majority of the playerbase before it shut down, then asking for the game to be F2P and make no money because you ALSO want the heroes to be free as well. what next? the have fucking cosmetics be free? don't ever get a job in sales or marketing, faggot
>>1254030Bruh I gotta use my Penta Kill badge to intimidate enemies, while in reality I'm a noob shitter
ignoring the shitlords all together , anyone wanna play ?>check >>1254001 for ign
>>1254115F2P as a structure means>lower barrier of entry, but lowers the quality of the playerbase while not increasing retention at all>lower barrier of entry does not mean more players, this is common misconception. people play what they're interested in and have been exposed to. (helldivers 2 is more popular than most F2P games in recent memory despite costing money)>it means you have to remove things that would normally be included to charge money for (characters, skins, etc)>it often means you have to balance the players progression to be much slower, especially if you have a way to pay money to speed things up, to drive people to spend money>updates to the game are now primarily focused on that which gives you money, so things you can sell>the things you sell will be focused on things like characters, weapons, etc. that sell the best so certain characters and such can get worse support>these games rely even more on a stream of constant content (read, sellable content) updates which drives down the quality of what you can get (so things like stickers, sprays, avatars and such are cheap and quick to make)>a lot of additional systems are now focused more on the currency the game has, so daily quests and such will be focused on that grind>if players don't spend money on the things the game sells, it will very very quickly be abandoned because at that point you haven't gotten any money from the players and are just burning money on devs still working on things like cosmetics and such players don't buy>etcFor players there's basically no upsides.
>>1254151>>1254001Sure, sending you rn
>>1254154I dont see any requests anon
>>1254153As opposed to rereleasing previously failed f2p game as b2p while it is still being tied to master servers and having zero additional development planned for it. I don't trust this shit to not have a plug pulled in a year or two.
>>1254157sent in-game because there are too many MF COOMs on steam.won't be able to play much until later, got archery practice now, but cya then anon
tyto is the most fun charactergive me some tyto tech. I already know about the dodge attack jump spin cancel
>>1254221ohhh copy paste the name only if doing so u will be able to find me cause the double OOs are different
They really gotta add a penalty for not accepting the queue
>>1254153>2 new characters and 2 new maps ranked mode and a couple of skins for $19.99 with taxl m a omao
this game piqued my interest but i wish there was a demo that allowed me to play the tutorial / vs bots / limited roster like granblue fantasyinfographics are good at explaining rules but anything that would give me a proper feel for the game firsthand would be nice (not to mention people out there do an half assed job explaining or straight up lie)as things stand i feel the game is nothing more than a paid beta to welcome veterans in who would be more tolerant over the issues people are pointing outi'll check out the game again when the devs iron out the kinkshave fun in the meantime faggots
>get 5 kills>no deaths>stole 2 orbs>over 3k damage to enemy guardian>landed the last blow to the guardian to win game>look at grade>lmao Cfuck you, game
>>1254607Seriously I hope they fix the grading system soon. Leveling up heroes is a chore if you just want their avatar or emote unlocks.
Having a miserable time actually getting into matches on PS5. Between file verification issues, connectivity problems, massive frame chugging on certain maps and literal console-crashing loading screens, the honeymoon phase ended real fuckin' quick.I love playing this game, but DAMN is it hard to even do so. Spent 40 minutes getting queued and requeued, stuck on infinite loading screens and restarting the app to play a 10 minute Rush match, only to crash the app when trying to return to the main menu in the postgame.I don't want this game to die another miserable death, so I'll keep trying to play.My PSN ID, for anyone interested in grouping up, is: ZigemmLemme know if there's a discord server or something to use to chat. Been using the Smite discord, but not many people there bought the game, and fewer are playing it considering the state it's in.
TOT cute and funny sword girl
playing tank is always such a miserable fucking experience in these games
>>1254712>not having fun bullying everyone around as rutgeri pity you
>>1254717yeah I guess my mistake was not playing the dishonest one, unironically
>>1249324Don't use a controller, take the left path for her m1, try to unload all rockets on a single target.She was also nerfed, with her m1 having more damage fall off, reduced tracking on the missles, reduced move speed and armor on her movement skill.Also her ultimate does 20% less damage.
anyone wanna play ?
>>1254236>>1254770do you wanna' go Clash next?
>>1254801 taking a break rn, in 20 ill be online with another anon, feel free to join
>>1254066some furry told a guy on twitter and they told me
>>1254066>>1254834Yeah, she real for once.Javash didn't get any updates because he was actually more complete than Kajir was during Farewell stream. So I'm guessing they'll add them both in about a month or so.
>>1254801Anyone wanna join ? 3/5 atm
>>1254834>>1254835MYFUCKINGDICK
>>1254840will tommorow, but thanks for asking trippanon :p
Jesus I was there was a place I can just search up Hero builds, I'm sure videos on youtube are good enough when it comes to certain heroes I just get nothing at all
>>1254845https://mistforge.net/There is actually! I just keep forgetting about it. Remember to add it to future /v/ OPs
>>1254848Oh shit, genuinely didn't think there was a place like that. Thanks for sharin' that.
>>1254844gn anon
I'm absolutely loving being in the game again and I'm super happy to be playing but something needs to be done about these unkillable, no-team, bots that come in when somebody dropsjust took HALF MY DEATHS from a T-Mat that was supposed to be filling in for a player ON MY TEAM. just indescriminately killing people
>I play any tank>teammates run away when I initiate, supports refuse to heal me and enemies can casually outrun me, outdamage me and burst me down in an instant>enemy plays any tank>literally immortal, can't be shook, and the instant they make their approach their whole team jumps in with them
>>1254889Only had to deal with a bot Tyto and Beckett fortunately, can't imagine how handling a T-Mat was.
>>1254889>>1255000now THIS is pvpve
>>1255000>the machines hate everything, and don't care which side of the conflict you're onDeepest lore
morning anons, anyone wanna play ?
hit level 20 and I think I've been Devedra all but twice
>>1255056sure
>(They/Them) in the name>Picks Aisling>Throws the game
good morning>>1255056will join you with a friend of mine in about hour or two
>>1255061I mean... why wouldn't you?Hope they'll at least add the third - robotic crab from Tesserus Collective - before the game shuts down again
feels pretty fucked that damn near all of the clash games I managed to get into had leavers left and right. i am a solo fag, yes either I play rush and have a good time or suffer with clash most of the time.
i drew a picture of aisling
>Can't get a gameUuuh dead ?
>>1255251You did a good job anon!
>>1255219>why wouldn't you?Lady Devaedra is a shitter. I wonder if there were ever designs for her and Nara internally.
Mozu time?
>>1255332True, I don't think anyone is working for Aurion due to their leader, people just want a part of Leiran's chicken breasts.
>>1255371>I don't think anyone is working for Aurion due to their leaderA lot of them are there specifically because Nara wasn't a lazy ass sitting in her tower all day. There's a huge amount of lore in this release that never made it to the live server before the game died. I don't think the old game ever even name dropped Hierophant Nara, so nobody knew who was leading House Aurion and co. before.
>>1255386we need more lore in generalI want to know more about House Karakesh and Seraphe, we don't even know how NPCs there looked likeAlso once they'll add a third guardian to have 'prefered House option'. Harry Potter autism style
>>1255104>They/Them in the name>Not playing Tyto
>>1255370Always
>>1255390I think they dumped all the unimplemented text that Motiga had done into the game with this release, all of the character stories are finished and the entire weekly story they had planned is there.Open \Mission 202\RxGame\Localization\INT\RxGame.int with a text editor. There's at least some bits about Karakesh. They also kept unused descriptions and localization notes in the file.>;LOCNOTES "House Seraphe" is a minor noble house not mentioned elsewhere in the lore.>;LOCNOTES The name "Seraph" is a slight adaptation of the word "seraph". The name is meant to imply some level of righteousness.>;LOCNOTES The skin descriptions in this set imply a story of The Margrave being taken in by House Seraphe.
>>1255404Really, I haven't checked item descriptions. Rather nice of the new devs, although they have their own problems.>>1253834A game, even a multiplayer hero shooter like Gigantic can still survive years past it's final release while costing money.Just look at PvZ Garden Warfare 2, although the new dev team does have problems they need to sort out first.Fixing the bugs, fixing matchmaking and making it better, increasing xp gain, decreasing the amount of matches needed to unlock clash, and releasing on Xbox game pass as well as Playsation Plus.Of course, going F2P eventually would probably be the best course of action, but I think the above is reasonable for the short to medium term.
Free shit due to subpar state of serversGlad they're adding original Margrave and Gris skins too
Has ANYONE been able do do the Card Reveal! fortune Oru has? I've tried getting kills with F, getting 5 kills with F in a single match, getting a kill with only the first part of F, kill stealing without using other abilities and only F, and it's constantly stuck at 1 progress which means that it must be doable somehow but I have no idea how and I'm LOSING my fucking MIND
>>1255447I'm not going to worry about fortunes until I see more bugfix patches. Seems like certain stats just aren't getting recorded right now.
>>1255449Well that sucks, do you even get anything for doing all of them except a sense of pride and accomplishment?
>>1255450Some heroes have fortunes that give skins like Aisling, but otherwise its just the currency and xp.
>want to like Zando because she's Lucio but also an offtank>like her playstyles>>but her beam skill doesn't synergise with her cooldown resets, because they only work off of strikes>>and beam skill is the only way to get access to the one that applies an aura to her target>>>>>>which basically means she only has 2 build paths, with no overlap whatsoeversuffering
>clash>teammates don't summon at the start and before i manage to run to the last point the enemy has already summoned an obelisk>0-40 in less than a minutealt-f4 and fuck you
evenin' anons. Anyone wanna play and slay some plebs ?
>>1255520I can in an hour
How do I join up with my fellow anons?
>>1255541>Friends tab>Find ID (Name+Number)>Post + Invite when people are on
if there are any willing drawfriends present, can you redraw this w/ beckett and a gas grenade
Anyone wanna play ? 3/5 atmwe start in 10 mins
>>1255803bump
>got these back to back after melting the entire enemy team with a level 3 Mozu focusDEEEEEATH RAAAAAYI fucking love this klepto rat of a goblin.
>>1249649Griselma acts as a better tank then some of the designated tank heroes and can 1v1 any melee character if you play her properly. The default kit is just not good at showing what she can do. I regularly get 150k+ damage mitigation and self heals with her.
>>1256417how do you build her?
>>1256424This is what I'm currently playing around with could probably be tweaked a bit, but Grismela is an extremely flexible hero and can be played a lot of different ways.
>>1256452Interesting that you save bestial feast for 7 and don't get exit strategy. I'm not an amazing granny players but I feel like I'd want those by level 5.
>>1256453As your so tanky Conservation of Mass can often finish off anyone who was trying to kill you. You could probably use Gift of Annihilation too for more finishing power. The entire build is based around making you and your team very hard to dislodge from the skirmishes you choose and amazing siege potential. Takes a bit of practice but the build can be used as an entry attack/ tank for the rest of the team in a fight. It also gives it a double offensive option if a turret goes down when your on cooldown or you have to quickly protect someone. Gris's best escape option is always to ensure you have as much stamina as possible and map awareness. Escape portal is more a chance to heal and bait out enemy debuffs than an disengament tool.
>>1256466Interesting, I usually just set up in a fight or on an enemy point and try to stay there until they force me to escape. I like the idea of laser hands because there's so many kills I've needed just a bit more damage for, but exit strategy is constantly saving my life.
>>1256482Are you using a similar build? Would be interesting to see what other players have made of the character as I've seen Gris players behave in a lot of different ways. I wish there was a way to see how players upgraded their characters in the match end screen. It would be a good learning tool.
>>1256489I use the same lmb and rmb upgrades, with stun on puddle and and teleport to interrupt power collects. Also focus generation passive + heal on ult. I stick with my team until I realize that they are stupid (the usual case) or until we get stalled on an offensive fight that we can't win, like pushing into Siren's mid. Then I just go to the other side of the map and harass their creature: they have to send at least 2 to deal with me because I can either ignore or kill most lone heroes with ult. If they do put me in danger, I exit strategy away until they get bored, then go back in and repeat. Sometimes they'll try to stop me by upgrading but usually that's just free power for me. I'm still not sure about the lategame upgrade order, but for level 1-5 it's always lmb, rmb, exit strategy, sometimes getting exit strategy sooner if i'm being targeted. I like getting bestial feast quickly because most creatures put out some kind of minor debuff that I can go health positive on.
They seem to have fixed matchmaking tonight been able to get into every match in under a minute. Is it fixed for all of you guys now?
>>1256671On Xbox it can still take to up to ten minutes for a clash match, Rush is fine.Although that ten minutes for clash only happened once.
>>1256671Working since the day after launch for me. I've just been refreshing the que if I get kicked out as a manual fix, maybe they fixed that so you don't have to any more.
>>1256694Even with that trick it was very hit or miss for me. Frequently was waiting 20+ minutes for a game very glad to see its been fixed.
>>1252165Well these two >>1256452 >>1256517 Posted some builds.I'm a new console player, but I've been trying out pic rel on Rutger.
>>1256721>>1252165Haven't tried to make a build for Rutger yet but he is very fun to play. How have you found the build comparing to the standard ones?I been experimenting with Xenobia. This build is centred around using all your abilities on mark of despair to punish the team whenever they try to group up.
>>1256087every time I play your goblin wife I eat shitplease advise
>>1256721I'd heavily recommend swapping to the Wall Stun path for your E.It's a chunky on demand 250 AoE damage and the CC massively helps in securing kills.You can also rotate between RMB and Wall to repeatedly interrupt orb captures from a relative safe distance.
>>1252165MARGRAVE CHADS
checking in does this game work yet?
>>1256796It works anon. Been able to get into games back to back.
>>1256851mf?
>>1256851In a few, just grabbing some food
>>1256851other anon had to dip, whats your tag?
>>1256769>omega bolt path is kinda shit unless by some miracle most of both teams are brawlers that will be clumped up a lot>you can pretty much never win a 1v1 against an assassin, if one gets on you just start running for your life to somewhere they can't safely follow>playing Mozu is hell because assassins are one of the most common roles to see played>you can chain the RMB upgrade that fires LMB simultaneously with the rapid fire after skill use upgrade to fire max speed LMBs for like 10 seconds straight>this also maxes out her crit chance very quickly if no one is interrupting you>always take the daze on exit upgrade if you get the pulling vortex to help with assassins, if you don't need the full CC you don't need the pull>her increased DD range talent is pretty much the only one worth a damnOther than all that, just pray you have some frontline fighters that can keep the fight away from you.If the enemy team is very heavy on gunners, you can get a cheeky teleport upgrade to make your entire team deflect bullets for a few seconds.
>>1256676Turn on Crossplay anon. Go on, bite the bullet
>>1256938Did you intend to scare people away from the character with this post?
>>1256938>>always take the daze on exit upgrade if you get the pulling vortex to help with assassins, if you don't need the full CC you don't need the pull>>her increased DD range talent is pretty much the only one worth a damnThis retard doesn't know that Mozu deflect on a wound is the strongest defense in the entire game. Reverse Polarity on Vortext + Perfect Storm Talent = 25% wound vulnerability is a perfect stall, even if you suicide for it, and punishes retard W+M1 faggots by sending their damage right back at them to get the sieging over and done with.
>>1256971>barely does anything against heavy melee teams>if you're taking pull, it's because you constantly have melee up your assBuilds are situational anon.Obviously reflect is the go-to against heavy ranged teams.I've been trying out the damage on teleport over increased LMB damage though.I'm honestly kinda torn.Leaving whoever jumped on you with a 250 damage Fuck You is nice, and telefragging a motherfucker feels amazing.It's just hard to gauge how much of an impact each has, because the LMB boost is way better if you can turn around and unload after DD, but unless the enemy team is bad you won't get many opportunities for either.
>>1256942I thought it was on, it's toggled off by default but the toggle at the bottom of the screen is still called "turn cross play off"
>>1256968No, but that anon said he was getting fucked up, so I gave some advice about the common headaches for the goblin.Assassins know you can't deal with them, so even half decent ones will spend all game hunting you down and making your life hell.The fun part of her is that her escape is so good so that she can have a chance against assassins, that everyone else has an absolute hell of a time trying to secure a kill on her.She's slippery as fuck and watching people overextend trying to kill me, or just getting outplayed when they underestimate their reach is satisfying as hell.Also every once in a while you'll find one of these brainless HKs and get to watch a suicide.I always wonder what's going through their heads.
>>1257124On behalf of HK players with a brain, he deserved that.Run and Gun is a busted talent and I will live and die by it.
tyto is fucking useless
>opponent with my same char is doing better than me>taking it personally and alt-f4i don't give a fuck about winning i wanna be the best at my main
>>1257171How are you gonna be the best if you quit at the first sign of adversity? Study what they're doing, apply lessons to your own playstyle.
>>1257140I'm pretty sure all HK players have a single brain cell they share between them anon.>>1257175The game would greatly benefit from more recorded info, or even a match recorder. The fact the only information you get on how everyone played is their damage output and K/D/A ratio makes it difficult to glean how other people played. I'm pretty sad that we are never going to see Gigantic develop in to the game it was meant to be.
How do I suck less with Ezren Ghal? Is he a off brand Xenobia with more damage and less CC? I think he might be the least played character.
>>1256771Thanks for the recommendation Anon, it worked out great.I can see why Rutger was placed so high on the tier list, his interrupts make him pretty annoying to play against and his burrow acts as a good tool for entering or exiting a fight.
>>1257279> Is he a off brand Xenobia with more damage and less CC? He's way closer to TMat, but kinda outclassed in most ways. His bread and butter isn't his tickle primary fire, but his secondary fire with the souls - land all 4 of those against a target with their ramping damage and he fucking hits like a truck. His primary fire is more for the sustain / longevity to wait out a good time to strike, than it is kill pressure.Issue is that he's slow to ramp up (he needs to get those souls, even if he lands the AoE) and extremely aim-dependant because they're pretty slow projectiles all things considered.At the very least at least you have the best escape in the game after Roland's grapple, and a fucking nuke of an Ult for counterganking Assassins, but you gotta get that pin-point aim on him to do well.
>>1257295I guess my aim is just poor. The slowness of the soul fire make it feel next to impossible to nail anyone except large engaged tanks, summons, and oblivious HK players if they aren't right in your face. I know your meant to chain well of souls into the triple tap but the tiny area and huge delay again makes it really difficult to trap anyone. I was using spectral form to punish gankers and assassins but your probably right about it being for escape instead. Do you have a suggested build?
Need teams to game with, i dont want to deal with lfg from the official serversExplosive_Demonic#630838
how do i play as tyto? He has not the burst potential of tripp and kajir and cannot lock you in like wu. He is uncatchable but i feel like i'm playing as a mosquito. If no one is low or alone i can't do shit
>>1257373screw it even if they are alone and full health i cannot duel them. It takes too long for him to deal damage and they can just run to safety or fight back and at that point i have to run away.I think he needs a damage buff desu
>>1257377Tyto isnt really an assassin he shines in a team fight and can use his mobility to pick off retreaters and support his team. Its brawls you want him in not 1v1s
>>1257393so what am i suppose to do? Get behind someone during a team fight and pester him with lmb? I tend to avoid big fights cause they are a mess visually and it's easy to explode
>>1257398Unless you're doing beyblade tech to hard-dive into their backline, deflect-on-spin is a lifesaver for safety and gap-closing with Tyto, with your sweep-swoop thing being your best finisher.
>>1257398Learn how to master his jump attack and dodging. On top of the I-frames Tyto gets more benefits from dodging than any other hero, with a lot of upgrade abilities and an improved basic combo if you dodge into it. Practice learning how to flick your jump attack. Jump attacks which backstab apply crippled which prevents sprinting and halves movement speed. Tyto can apply a lot of nasty status to characters unable to get away. Tyto is especially good at flicking becuase of the speedof his jump attack. Allowing you to apply crippled from a starting position where you are both facing each other. Probably only works with keyboard and mouse haven't tried it with controller.It goes without saying that you should rely on jump attacking fleeing characters if you have the stamina to spare and Tyto is great at stamina management.
>>1257406Does the Beyblade dodge leap still work? I haven't played Tyto again since the game was rereleased but I though they patched that out before the game was shut down in 2017. I've not seen anyone doing it.
>>1257486>I've not seen anyone doing it.Because it's hard.
>>1257487It's still in? Your sure? Wow I need to try and master it again.
>>1257186>I'm pretty sure all HK players have a single brain cell they share between them anon.That's correct, but only because I have so many, and the rest have negative amounts. It totals out correct, but involves a small amount of quantum science.>>1257486Yeah, still works. Dodge->Basic->Spin is the easy input that you can do off of any ledge, but Dodge->Basic->Jump->Spin for more distance from any surface at the cost of more skill still works too. Not got the muscle memory down since I'm just a HK player, but it werkz.
hardest thing of playing melee is the fucking fov. One dodge attack and they are already out of my view, i'm fighting the camera more than the opponent. The stupid thing is in the beta it was way bigger but they changed it for some reason
>>1257574>ping wheel fucking sucks>no more quickchat options>Griselma and Margrave look weird and have shitty redesigns for no reason>Clash has Rush death timers so wiping a team means literally nothing anymore>No FF function for the many, many leavers because there's no penalty for leaving>Grades are busted>Can't say GG or That was fun post-match anymoreArc Games are hack frauds that attempted to predatorily bank off of the good faith Motiga gained with us and squandered it instantly by having the least playable launch week of any game released this year.
>>1257578don't forget skins had their specific portrait in the map loading screen
>>1257124I'm gonna start clipping this every time it happens and start a collection.Just wish I'd decided to do it earlier since that's the fourth one.
>>1257161I've been doing pretty well with him of late.He is definitely reliant on the team to actually put people into kill range, since he's not good at contributing to teamfights. You're not going to solo carry with him like certain characters.Still, Chaining swoop kills is peak fun.Abusing the Q movetech is also great.Only thing I don't like about his kit is the lackluster E.
>>1257720E's great, it's poke on demand that either roids you up for CQC or warpdrives you into some dumb cunt's face. Fire and forget that shit like you would Knossos.
>>1257518Pretty interesting, I've ran across a couple dangerous Tytos who've used this to escape, and of course they also excelled in picking people off in team fights. Not as dangerous as the few Imani mains I've run across or as prominent as the Tripps, but I still agree with Tyto feeling a bit under powered.
>>1257759Tripp has that issue of if she isn't addressed, she runs away with the game.Tyto simply just doesn't have that same potential.
I kinda feel bad for recommending the game to my friends. We've had a few good games here and there, but when they play solo, they end up having the worst experience. I can't blame them because, y'know, the game IS in a pretty fucked up state. Its either play vs. a 5stack of sweats, suffering with/against bots, bug abusers, or the servers themselves. I can understand why so many new players discarded the game. This is some wack ass necromancy bros..
>>1257782Yeah, not saying I want Tyto to be as strong as Tripp, just a bit stronger.Although that reminds me earlier today I had a game where the enemy Tripp almost ran away with it entirely in the first half.We did eventually win, but only because the Tripp forced us to play well enough and we were able to consistently kill her.Makes me wish we had the old respawn time back, I half think they did it to make defending a guardian easier, but if that was the reason I wish they just gave you the faster respawn if you died while your guardian vulnerable.>>1257790I've mostly had okay games, but sometimes the matchmaking servers still crap out on me and I have to exit and re open the game.I've luckily only had one match so far with 2+ team mates quitting and leaving behind bots with either attack us or get stuck on the launch pads in spawn.
>>1257782Tyto can be a pain in the ass even if he isn't being ignored, whereas Tripp is much easier to kill when being targeted.If Gigantic were ever to somehow wind up with a pro scene, I imagine he'd shine there and we'd be complaining about wannabe pro Tytos being useless in our games while they bitch at us for not handing them 5 hp mozus the entire match.
tyto needs higher damage to fill the assassin role or higher health to fill the dueler niche like ramsay. Currently he is subpar at both. Also would like to have fang more reliable to aim and the teleport to conserve your momentum
>>1257796Tyto is very strong but they have a very high skill ceiling and skill floor and if your team is useless Tyto is as well. In an organised team cooperating Tyto applies tremendous pressure.As a few other anons have mentioned Tripp just melts when the other team isn't making mistakes and is hard countered by debuffs and CC, problem is in just about every public game your bound to have at least 1-3 people in your team who aren't very good. Therefore compared to everyone else so she outperforms. If ranked comes I think we will a lot of Tytos in high level play.>>1257518Ah cool. I thought you meant the old busted move techs were back. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3u4iWdANb4&t=1s
should i open fights with tyto's hidden talon or just conserve it for when i actually need to dodge? I find his dodge attack incredibly hard to hit, the hitbox is tiny, and the small fov+chaos of a team fight fucks me up
>>1258032Hidden talon into backstab an unaware or engaged target for max effect. Both 2nd upgrade paths useful in this instance. Very nice if you you use it to disengage one target and chain into the next victim .I don't really have any useful advice on dealing with battle chaos other than to complain about needless framerate and FOV limitations. >>1258029Don't play him as an assassin or a dueller. His role is brawler/ disrupter/ pressure. Agree with the fang comments however.
>>1258044>brawler/ disrupter/ pressurei'm new to moba terms. What does it mean exactly? Just annoy people dealing damage and running away?
Xenobia's AOE F is broken >Enemy team rampages>lmao Doom'd >4-6 seconds of not attacking>guardian recovered>Enemy team defends>lmao Doom'd>4-6 seconds of not defending>guardian dies
>>1258052Pretty much. Your everywhere, you harass everyone and prevent them from focusing as a team. Especially if you chosen multiple bleed abilities due to the way damage over time stacks you get better damage potential spreading it around. A significant amount of his DPS and pressure is in his status effects which don't require you to stick around in a slugging match.In gigantic damage over time (DOT) from a single status like bleed is calculated by the the largest stack, any other stacks added to this only add 10% if they are smaller. So if you were to say use blur to apply 100dmg/4s and then use fang to apply 30dmg/5s instead of being 400 + 150 total DOT (130dmg/s) it will be 103dmg/s until the stack from blur wears off. The only exception to this is if the skill specifically states that it stacks and then that means it only stacks with the specific ability stacks that apply it. On the plus side bleed totally ignores armour (and shield too if I remember rightly) giving you good tools for getting around tanks, buffs and shield. You can also stack it with other DOT effects like poison or burn without occurring the stacking penalty A team with multiple DOT types such a Charnok + Xenobia + Tyto can be very oppressive.
>>1258061Xenobia in general is broken, honestly the most annoying caster to fight.Her giant fuck off slow aoe poison can shut down a push almost as easily if it's well placed.
>>1257578>>1257790I think its very impressive to fuck up the launch of a game that has already been launched and had the problems ironed out. I don't think I've ever seen something like that happen.
do you think the game is irredeemably dead? Maybe ranked will help?
>>1258128I'm getting instant / sub-10s matches, seems fine to me.
https://live.tiermaker.com/99652663Community tier list is currently being created to gauge the balance in Gigantic. So far most of the community seems to think that the majority of the heroes are powerful and viable. What do you guys think of the balance and the communities opinion?
>>1258128Nah, all of the issues are fixable, game will probably still die though.Honestly I'm surprised they launched it so soon, I was expecting it next year of the end of this year.At it's core it's still gigantic and it's still a fun game, it's suffering due to switching devs again, but I do think they're making a honest effort despite their fuck ups.I mean the issues are mainly minor cosmetic things, or server issues which can be fixed, none of the current issues are game ending.>>1258161Fuck Inami, I hate sniper characters.I have no idea how anybody thought Heaven's landing was ever a good idea.
>>1258161in what fucking world is tyto better than tripp and wu?
>>1258161Community tierlists are worthless and I would put money that 90% of that is leddit and discord parading themselves as "le community".Only one I'd give a shit about is an in-client one. Rest is people who aren't me and probably aren't at my MMR airing their worthless opinions. I'd take the sage advice of any upstanding Anon here over these things any day.
Also, I find it cute that HK's lore snippet is actually accurate, and his head / laser vision on his model will automatically snap to look at any random enemies that are nearby. It's like wallhax but nuanced and had to abuse. Useful tip too.Fucking sovl in these character animations man.
>>1258161They've gotta be joking with this.
>>1258260>everyone is above average>Who greenlit this? Doesn't it just defeat the point of the list if everyone is in the same tier, with no justification?
>>1258274>Who greenlit thisThe poll works through aggregating (you)r votes, you can also skip voting on a character.So no one person decided on somebody's placement, for some odd like Zon, a lot may not have played her or have had an easy time against her so she ends up with low ratings and being skipped.Of course personally I think she's better the Knossos but that's just me.
>>1258161>>1258260The "community" has no idea what they're talking about. You can play one game of clash and realize that the average solo queuer has no idea what to do unless they have someone to follow. I bet if you asked one of these voters why they put Tyto in S tier, they'd say "idk i just like him :)"Meanwhile the supposed "low-teir" granny is obliterating lobbies
>>1258316I think the best way to look at it is what the community likes to main. As they will have the most experience with those heros and fit into their playstyle and they will therefore feel the 'best'. As a fellow granny appreciator you have to admit that the average playing trying to pick up Griselma absolutely sucks with her even if she is very versatile and powerful when correctly played.
>>1258359That's what I'm saying. Tyto's always been popular, that's why they put him on the box art. But objectively? No reason to take him over Wu, Tripp, or Kajir.And then there's Xenobia who feels oppressive if you run at her, but becomes a non-factor if you just, don't do that. But since these players do nothing but smash their faces into unwinnable fights instead of rotating, she gets S tier I guess.
kajir is so fucking busted holy shit but i'm glad he shits over vadasi. Fucking unkillable bitch
>>1258065I tend to initiate flanks with a backstab fang -> Q, and then conserve the rest of my stamina for chasing people down.How does the bleed interact in that case? Does Q's bleed stack separately, or is it going to add basically nothing now that fang bleed is on?
>>1258490It will add effectively nothing. Spread your bleed around or stagger it on one target to prevent them having anytime to recover and to maximise damage.
>>1258260The fact that bugged characters like Kajir or Roland are allowed on this list invalidates it entirely.
>>1258492Interesting, so basically I'm retarded.Thanks.
>>1258496What is Roland's bug?
>>1258505He has a talent that is supposed to give 10% extra damage to enemies targeted by your drone.It gives you double damage instead.
>>1258499None of his is ever explained in game and unless your doing number calculations in the middle of a melee how would you ever notice? I wouldn't blame yourself. There used to be documentation and video guides back in 2017 for the in depth mechanics but Arc games seems to have not thought this was important to have.Actually I should clarify. Q skills stacks with its self fully. So can have up to 50dmg/3s if you get all 10 stacks. For around 150 total DOT assuming you disengage immediately after. This is better than the 30dmg/s that a fang bleed applies. But fang does 30dmg/5s which will ALSO do 150 total DOT. So it will go from 30dmg/s to 53 dmg/s then maybe 1 extra 30 dmg fang proc because it lasts a little longer. Its definitely not a poor opening, just keep in mind it wastes a fair amount of potential DOT and pressure on another player as each time a DOT procs it resets the in-combat timer preventing their health and stamina regen.. If this is a primary tactic you like to use you might want to build for pounce and gnawing out to maximise the damage it will do.
>>1258529There are a bunch of little things like that which detract from the game experince, all status effects should have an in game guide explaining them.Skill descriptions should be standardized and more useful, sometimes identical effects across different heroes are worded differently.Not to mention minor cosmetic changes which impact gameplay such as Knossos' charged spear throw on the left hand path doesn't sync up with the cool down. So even if you still have a couple second until you can start to use the spear again, the spear still reappears in Knossos' hand.I also think T-Mat should have a more obvious delay between shots, like a circle around the recital which depletes whenever you shoot and begins to refill until you can next shoot.Little things like that which would make heroes easier to play and help mitigate skill issues from newer players.
>>1258549I just want to have the ability to put health and stamina bar in the middle of the screen like you used to be able to do. Frantically glancing away from the fight to my status bars hurts my game.
why isn't chat enabled during character select or in the post-game screen?
Wake me up when they fix servers/matchmaking bros. I don't think I got it in me to queue when I have to coinflip getting into the right regional server.
I think you people might be downplaying the fuck out of Charnok. He's an absolute CC warlord, even moreso than Xenobia.
>>1258923>50% damage reduction, two cripples, strongest antiheal in the game, ranged interrupt and a stasis ultvs>stun, a slow and a pushI can appreciate the enthusiasm, but lets be real here.
>>1258925>shitloads of afterburn that nobody expects to matter>a ranged STUN on a delay that can be cast from halfway across the map or right on yourself so people trying to melee you burn all their skills because they forgot about the meteor>a push at the end of a long, shielded flamethrower>gigantic fuckoff lingering damage AoE super that builds fast as hell once you get into clash thanks to burn killsXenobia has statuses, but Charnok just does so much goddamn damage and can do it from a far greater range.
>>1258926CC is Crowd Control, you know that right? It's everything that isn't damage; Charnok is more a zoner than a CC warlord.
>>1258938I was going to argue and say that Crowd Control is more than just on-paper statuses and that Charnok's constant pressure through DoTs controls crowds far more effectively than Xenobia, but Zoner might be a more appropriate term, yeah.
why'd they do this?
>>1258968>gremlin looks like a gremlin?
I've really tried with Ezren Ghal but he just isn't very good. The only situation he seems to do well in is quick sieges or when your team is applying a huge amount of CC to the enemy team. For every other situation your better with someone else. He desperately needs something to his base kit. Like his E doing something and not taking an eon to recharge. Or his soul fire tracking towards where your aiming if its held down. I really hope we are going to see balance patches. I know they say there is no intention of further development but the game still needs a bit more polish.
>>1258968would
>>1256763Sorry for not responding fast enough, but I was busy experimenting with builds and missed your comment.Anyways, I've had a good time with these three builds on Rutger, Knossos, and Beckett respectively.On Rutger, I stopped being so defensive with his build and went with an interrupt focus. It's a pretty generally applicable build with good mobility, but shines in Rush where you can fuck with enemies trying to cap.Rutger really struggles with DoT/Degen heavy enemy teams, although a "Shields up" Build focused on being tanky and using the effects which trigger when you have shields can be pretty strong when going up against a DoT light team. Due to that his DoT Weakness, I don't think his right side upgrades for his ult are very good, although that almost constant focus gain boost is very tempting.Oh yeah, Mountain Range and Rock On are fairly interchangeable here, I just prefer the longer range of his alternate fire.Knossos is a generally build, you hit hard and can share your buffs when going against the enemy Guardian.In Rush, taking the additional speed boost is probably better than buff sharing, and when in a pre-made team the order for the first five upgrades should be as bellow instead.>Goring Up, Raging Bull, Mighty Yawp, More Gore, then Brusier.From my experience a Gaurdian can become vulnerable at the earliest when both teams are at level 3, so taking Might Yawp earlier guarantees you have it, but when not in a premade team it's better to be a bit more selfish and take it later.For Beckett the build is a fairly standard gunning build focused on killing Guardians as fast as possible as well as shitting on light weight classes.For Rush, take her poison grenade instead, but other than that it stays the same. I consider her jetpack a crutch and thus didn't make it a priority.
https://www.gogigantic.com/en/news-article/11567773
>>1259295As an Xbox player, I haven't experienced any crashes, although that's probably due to me having one of those tower monolith sized xboxes, so I'm a bit surprised to hear that crashing on console is a big issue.Also I'm surprised Roland's bug wasn't fixed, I thought someone just misplaced a decimal.Anyhow, I haven't played him yet, but I also haven't gone against any really threatening Rolands so I don't really care.Still needs to be fixed though.
Double XP weekend just started. Also the first gigantic tournament tomorrow.
2 games lost in a row and all my friends dropped the game. Some people really have zero resilience
>>1259341That's like what 15mins on rush?
>>1259344clash
>>1258926>Charnok is a CC warlord>yeah but his damage though! No one is saying he doesn't do damage.If anything, the little CC he has is just there to make up for how trash of an escape his Q is.
>>1258065>A team with multiple DOT types such a Charnok + Xenobia + Tyto can be very oppressive.>Teleport to someone and freeze dot them >Attack once to bleed dot them>Stealth next to them to poison dot them>Stealth also deals tickling damage based on the number of debuffs enemies standing in it haveI love Kajir
>>1259357Xenobia, Poison. Charok, Burn.Pakko, Freeze.Tyto, BleedAnd Kajir, everything.Together these five heroes and their elemental abilities make up the ultimate force of corruption, Captain Devadra!
kajir rmb is borderline unusable, what a garbage skill
>>1259075They did highlight hero balance, so hopefully Zandora and Ezren will receive some buffs.Zandora already had her focus gain buffed by 20%, and the range of her Auras buffed by 2 meters and duration to 3 seconds.At least with Zandora, I think buffing her numbers a bit across the board is probably enough.Or maybe adding some debuffs to her auras would help her if they don't want to give her a slight numbers boost, although that feels like it's more likely to go wrong.
>>1259318>>1259295Additional news, playable but still unfinished Bolga.A bit of an odd tank who specialized in creature killing, hopefully she has some Degen resistance to help combat DoT teams.But other than that it looks like she'd be useful in pushing on some maps, especially in areas where other tanks struggle.
>>1259385it has an interrupt, but it just feels like it's making up for having to stand there for a second charging it rather than being a bonus
>>1259531Has Bolga been developed like, post-shutdown? As in the skeleton crew actually hired some game devs to work on new content?
>>1259556Well she was already mostly complete so, it's probably still not much work.https://streamable.com/ewa0hj
Anyone else feel like Tyto's right click is super hard to land?
>>1259556Roland, Jherico (Kajir), Bolga and Javash were borderline ready to be released; Quinn and Rang were the ones that needed more time in the oven; the rest were cutting room scraps.>>1259564The leap? I just pre-aim it while doing something else.
>>1259575>pre-aimWhat? It has a kinda slow travel time and you need to watch out for the target changing direction suddenly
>>1259575Got it, so there are no real devs on the skeleton crew then.
>Kajir's Charged Attack works better as chain reset if you tap it while doing your basic chain; since it doesn't put it on cooldown, and if the enemy disengages from you, you can stop your basic combo and just let the Lv2 charged attack fly raw to catch them, or chase with your teleport>>combine with the talent that roids up your 4th hit, and you can increase your DPS by like 150%, even before backstabsI get it now. I understand it.Also god fucking damn this fucker's animations are clean. Snake stance when walking around and the jump attack in particular.
I take back everything I said about Ezren Ghal. His left m1 upgrade is worthless his right m1 upgrade turns him into a 80k+ damage per match terminator. His other skills could do with a little more utility I think. Inflict weakened on players you pass though with spectral walk, have well of souls stay on the ground for a second after it activates and maybe make an aoe blast base kit for his soul fire and he would be pretty solid.
Fuck double-tap to dodge. Turned it off after I accidentally dodged off the map.
>>1259658>since it doesn't put it on cooldownbug?
I can't get over how much Ezran Ghaul sounds like a slightly less whiny Augustus St Cloud
>>1259707>there is another reality where gigantic got huge enough to have smite-tier crossover events
>>1259700Nah, the charge input overrides the basic recovery frames and your basic overrides the charge input. Since you never actually use the attack, it's not put on cooldown.It's not a bug either, just an in-kit interaction, since that's how both interact with each other across all characters. Knossos and Pakko can do it too, but don't get the same value out of it. Pakko just uses it so he can Cold-Kit-Combo / kitdump burst while weaving in 0 recovery Basics; while Knossos extends his buff by default, his 4th his is only +80% (instead of +100%) and has his Horn Charge as his chase instead of using his Javelin as the option select. Kajir is the only Assassin with access to a charge cancel, and gets the mos value out of it.
>>1259741i don't understand what you are saying. Explain step by step what should i do with kajir
>bug where i cant see what my teammates are pickinggood luck everybody else
>>1259816If you pick a hero and then use change hero, it shows you what they're hovering
Hows the game lads?Should i buy?
>>1259825just happened again. thanks mate.
>>1259776hold lmb and rmb
>>1253957BASED fellow Dead by Daylight hater>>1253968Victory>>1253963>>1253987Retards
>>1253859I shiggy diggy>>1253873Learn how to better place your mistrustmaybe I'm a sucker, but I'll gladly be a sucker without regrets for this game even coming back at all.Captcha: AYD4Y
>>1258968dat ass tho
>>1259879ur fat
>>1259776Complete Attack = Startup frames (windup) + Active Frames (time it can damage) + Recovery frames (wind-down)Hold Basic attack = Do the above on loop. Khajit has 4 attacks before he loops back around (a progressive attack chain). 1, 2, 3, 4. Attack number 4 deals double damage.Total Kajir Attack Chain = 1 (Start, Active, Recover), 2 (Start, Active, Recover), 3 (Start, Active, Recover), 4 (Start, Active, Recover), 1 (Start, Active, Recover), 2 (Start, Active, Recover), 3 (Start, Active, Recover), 4 (Start, Active, Recover), 1...Tap his Charged Attack = Instantly resets to the start of Attack 1. This gives you two new chains, - Fast chain, which is just Holding both. This now looks like 1 (Start, Active), 1 (Start, Active), 1 (Start, Active), 1 (Start, Active) etc. - Long chain, which is Tapping Charged Attack the moment Attack 4 (double damage one) is finished, to skip it's recovery. This now looks like 1 (Start, Active, Recover), 2 (Start, Active, Recover), 3 (Start, Active, Recover), 4 (Start, Active), 1 (Start, Active, Recover), 2 (Start, Active, Recover), 3 (Start, Active, Recover), 4 (Start, Active), 1 (Start, Active, Recover) etcBoth deal more damage than just holding it normally - Fast is more over a short period of time, Long is the most if you can reach the 4th attack but requires time investment.
anyone got Creature Killer builds?I suck at teamfights and want to focus on solo creature harvesting.I have a Griselma build that works fairly well but takes a while to kill. I'm looking for something that's a bit faster or some strategies that can guarantee that I can plant an Obelisk after the creature is dead
>>1259948Kajir; 15x buff, ful-charge freeze, 0 damage free escape dagger, full-attack crew, anything for the rest. You just build up a shitton of damage until you can brawl with Drakes.
>>1259776>hold LMB>tap RMB when 4th hit of LMB connects>RMB tap cancels the long recovery of the 4th hit of LMB>this leads to better DPS overallalternatively>with 0 levels, Khajiit has no last-hit boost on is LMB>hit 1,2,3 are all faster to excecute>hold LMB>tap RMB after 3rd hit of LMB>combo loop is significantly fasteronly works if RMB is NOT on cooldown
>it's another Imani goes completely unmolested while she takes potshots on us, when we have two "Assassins" sat in the middle of a teamfight episode>it's another Power Spot spends a minute ungathered while I ping the fuck out of it holding the front line on the other side of the map episode>it's another upgrades my contested-point obelisk into some useless shit that only gets killed 3 seconds later and awards them points episode>it's another leaves match 2 minutes in because we lost first skirmish episodeI'm not usually one for liking Ranked modes, but with how actually crucial it is that you know how to play Clash without it devolving into murderhobos, I'm actually looking forward to it if it means I might get people who know the basics of the mode. I don't even care if I'm Wood Rank or whatever, just as long as I don't grind my teeth to the gums watching these people fuck up things that aren't reliant on gameplay.I'll stick to Rush for now but goddamn these niggers stupid.
>>1259740Maybe we will get a Gigantic 2 someday. Gigantic coming back from the dead is already a minor miracle. I really think they are testing the waters. First they had a 'one time event' last year, now they have released it again with some updating. The game is still fairly unique compared to its contemporary games and has a loyal core fanbase. Maybe.>>1259948 Ezren Ghal any build. The man is made to melt creatures. Just have an escape plan in mind if the enemies come to stop you. Take the area of effect upgrades for your m2 so you can contribute more in team fights by just aiming in their general direction. Can punish assassins who try to focus you. Xenobia also works, she will be a fairly safe but slow creature killer. Take the left hand path for her m1 For creature killing and either upgrade. Rest is a matter of playstyle but make sure you have 100 stamina to run away if needed. She rocks in a 2v2 and is hard to take down 1v1. Her dodge is better than most heroes. Both of these characters can also have good survivability in a team fight or skirmish provided they aren't focused down as their escape options and mobility are lacking. Never try to fight with them while outnumbered if you feel your team fighting skills need practice. Hope that helps you in the team fights.
they need to tone down the dumb effects and increase the fov. I specifically avoid team fights cause i can't understand what's going on. And i was in core, not like i started now. Shit is unwatchable. Don't know why they reduced the fov from beta to release
>Deal 14k damage to enemies under 50% health >In one match>FIVE timesThis is insane. The literally only match that can accommodate this is a Clash match that's close as shit and runs til both are on their last bar AT LEAST.
>>1260024>playing Tyto>Nobody is joining the tank in team fights and we're eating shitG-Guess I'll play bleedstack Tyto
>>1259740Who would even be a good crossover?
>>1260381Lure in the Japanese audience by having crossover costumes based on Chargeman Ken
>>1253834>free game re-releases with a price tagMTX got cut out in exchange. You COULD buy Gigantic for 30 outright. So it's still cheaper than the last price you could buy it outright at
>>1260375whenever the game says "enemies"is it specifically Hero damage or does it include Creatures and the Guardian?
>>1260385I believe it's all 3, as the Guardian and Creatures both count as kills/assists
>>1260378>Playing Margrave on sanctuary >Running m1 murder shit, enemy Margrave is playing fat fuck Margrave>Doing good and force the enemy to clash with only a sliver of health left on their Leiran's second health bar>Entire team shoves themselves into the left lane tower area>Enemy has HK, deflect Margrave, Vadasi>We can't fucking push, Everytime we do anything their Tripp and Kajir try to gank somebody>We loseIt fucking hurts bros, probably my fault for not forcing my team to go to the right lane.
>>1260024>it's another team ignores the granny hands while they kill everyone episode
>>1260391Disappointingly, that's the optimal way to play sanctum. If you went to the other lane they'd just kill your creature at the bottom of the stairs. Whoever gets the tower wins.
>>1260393Probably my fault then, I should've went for a more defensive build.We did have a pretty good Mozu, but overall our team was too squishy to push through there even with an Aisling.Probablt partially due to our Tripp fucking off the 1v1 the enemy Tripp.
Tyto is too much funLearn TytoTech. Chain Swoop resets. Max out bleed stacks with your beyblade. Harass tanks with Fang's crack armor.Become an Owlchad.
>>1259662I checked out the DPS on his right hand path + Soul missiles.If he hits every shot he can kill a Margrave in 13 seconds, Margrave has about 3933.3 effective hp, so that's about 302 damage per second if you cycle between stealing three souls and hitting three souls missiles.
>>1260578i wish he dealt more damage so i wasn't forced to run crack armor, the rat teleport is funnier and an interrupt is always good to have to stop cappers
>>1260590Sorry I meant to say his left m2 is bad not m1. Often you can get upwards of 500dps across players as the splash will catch 2- 3 people at the same time and you have a significant amount of upgrades which can increase the rate you take souls in. Plus it makes hitting targets very reliable with the huge splash. Completely punishing for the enemy trying to teamfight. Paired with good supporting CC he's a little nuts. Every time I've paired him and Xenobia they wipe the floor with the other team.
>>1260596Tyto got buffed before release, so they've got an interrupt on their focus now. Crack armor isn't a negative in the slightest in my opinion.Teleport Fang is just a bit too predictable and clunky. The bonus true damage is really good for securing kills too.I wish the tankier upgrades were a bit better so Tyto could function as a secondary brawler, but c'est la vie.
>>1260662yeah but i don't wanna spend focus just to interrupt someone capping. I agree that the tele should conserve momentum but at least the daze helps. But i dislike fang as a skill in general
>>1260596>>1260662Thematically, why does Fang even have an armor break upgrade?CC I get, with the little guy crawling all over your face.DoTs? He bites you sure.But brittleness seems out of place on the "chuck the rat" skill.
>>1260777https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_tortureRats are pretty notorious for being able to chew through fucking anything.
Anyone playing?>>1257341 (me)I play margrave and ramsay
>>1260375I DID IT THE SKINS ARE SO COOL
>>1260877gimme a few minutes, >>1252855 I'll hop on(room is coverred in books) (need snakc + driink)
sorry I missed ya Explosive, if you're on agian, don't be afraid to shoot me an inv anytime
>>1260917coming online, give me a min
>>1260917>>1260920we gaming?
>>1260925ye
New thing: Kajir's stealth doesn't seem to go on cooldown if you hold it with the Poision smoke. Will run out after a a few seconds and you're locked out for a few more - might be a bug, but I just testeed it then>>1260925You're the party leader buddy, I'm down with whatever bro
>>1260927I'll buy what you're selling >>1253569
>>1260930sent you a friend request, but i can't invite you
>>1260930oop, it already 12 pm here, have to leave to sleepit was a painful but good match
WHO THE FUCK PUT AN UPGRADED OBELISK ON OUR OWN SAFE POINT AAAAAAAAAAAAI've got one mmore in me cya round Explosive
>>1260958gee gee anon
>>1260960lol, I kept seeing those pop up on our stuffadvanced strats
Pakko stronk
We're fuckin dangerous bros; GG Veyom, see ya when I next see ya
>>1260960I saw one teammate do that to us and our other teammate literally imploding over it. This playerbase is literally trying their best effort to doom this game, it's kind of admirable.I'm starting to think best Creature comp is:- Obelisk / Imp (although it can sometimes teleport you below the map so I think Obelisk is better)- Either base or Invis Bloomer- Either base or Shoot Through CyclopsDrakes are still too easy to kill and Cyclops are way better in teamfights/as utility on most maps like Sanctum or Ember. I think only on Picaro it's pretty mid.
>>1261074I run Fire Drake, Winter Bloom and Snowclops. - Drakes are overrated as fuck, especially Storm; on the other hand they're the only one with global presence with how they randomly drop a bomb on the enemy's heads every now and again - and even if they never land a shot it doesn't change that they're the only ones capable of it. Putting one in the "safe spot" next to your Guardian means that they're out of the way and can help when guarding, while also providing value. Fire does this for one entire Focus point less than Storm, and Burns are a more common ailment that heroes synergise with than Shock (Charnok, TMat, Margrave etc) - Autumn is overrated as fuck, and while it's not as shit as Spring, I'd take a Summer for one point less any day. Winters on the other hand have bonus health, and their Orbs actively provide a bonus shield / damage - so they stall out for longer, help with their own defense once you arrive, make escaping enemies slower, and to top it off, if you're just low and need some fucking health, they'll get you back in fighting condition the fastest. Stealth on Autumn is kind of a meme because, basically, when the fuck are you ever going to use it? - Snowclops vs Voidclops is a mix for me; just depends on what kind of composition you're running. Snow is the stronger unit, but for the same price, obviously Void is going to be more value if you're running Beckett + TMAT + Voden. That said, I just find the comps where Snow gets more value are more common. - Obelisks only have use if pushing an advantage - it's not only a waste of a slot on the backfoot, but chews up the space for something that could have been used to help turn the table (since it doesn't gather shit and barely defends itself). It's a rich-get-richer Creature, and honestly, you can rely on someone else to pack one, even if you plan on 1v9'ing.Wish you could switch loadout pre-map though. There's a few spots where a Stone Cerb would be good for ledge kills over a Clops.
Chat and ping wheels suck in mobas . They should have used a VGS system like they had in tribes. It honestly boggles my mind that so many fast paced team games which don't give you time to write don't have this when the issue was solved 20 years ago. Communication tools are at the heart of a team based game like this, how many Clash matches have you guys have where people just mill about all over the map and don't get anything achieved. Even the original release of Gigantic had a very rudimentary VGS system but they took it out and replaced it with something less useful.
>>1261074>>1261149No love for shadow cerb?There's plenty of frontline points that cyclops can't effectively wall, and you don't want to put a bloomer or drake on.Early warning system is pretty nice QOL for knowing how much the team should split for creature defense.
>>1261178I like shadow cerb too. It probably has the best survivability off all creatures and has a fantastic buff to defend around. One of the best front line creatures.
Shadow Cerb is nice, but Default Cerb costing 1 (one) Point is nicer.
>>1257720imo bleedstack tyto can contribute to team fights. but it lacks the hail mary right click executions on runners
>>1261158they HAD a vgs-like system complete with voicelines but they removed it for some reason. They ALSO changed the ping wheel commands and messed it up too, when you call for help your hero will say "withdraw" but when you use the "withdraw" on the wheel, they stay silent. Completely asinine. I really miss the "on my way" ping.
I don't like the whole "jumping back attack slow" mechanic, it feels like you already need a slow just to even be able to land that on someone and it lasts what, a second and a half?
>>1261266I swear they changed some of these things for little reason than "we wanted to show we aren't hack frauds and we actually made changes" but they changed things for the objective worse.
>>1261274Jump attacks usually come with some hefty forward momentum. You absolutely can use it to run people down, but it's situational.If they burn their escapes and you have the stamina advantage, they're fucked.m1 -> JA lets you animation cancel your m1 for faster dps and easily chains into itself. The fact that the cripple doesn't last long is irrelevant, you're just going to reapply it until they die.
>>1261149You're half right about Autumn being a meme, I almost never get to using it, but whenever I play melee such as tank, even a split moment of invis is just so great to catch enemies off guard. I went back to Winter because it just seems better, yeah. Shame there are barely any good Foc 1 creatures that aren't bloomers or obelisks.>>1261178Okay, today I was actually massacred by a team that used them, because we had a bot that got stuck up their guardian and he was our frontline so we could never do anything about Shadow Pupper, I just see no reason to run both Dogs and Cyclops and unless they allow us to both change our Creature loadout and use text chat while selecting characters, which I will suggest now and I urge you to suggest as well on their Discord and Reddit.Yes I know, trannycord and le reddit, but it's already confirmed devs read and implement stuff suggested there so it's better than praying to nothing.pic rel is AI slop generated idea how Scavenger https://gogigantic.wiki/wiki/Scavenger could look like, ngl I'd love a rocket jumper
>>1261425I already checked the discord, people complain about ranged heroes having too many escape options.Than bitch about the escape options the melee characters do have.Also too much bitching about Rutger, I don't even think they know how Degen effects work.
>>1261450Do they? The most upvoted things in balance thread are Ezran being too weak (which I agree with) and Cador being too strong (whcih I agree with) ignore guy's cringy name tho
>>1261450The only ranged hero I think who has a completely bullshit escape is inami. As its also a team buff. AOE debuff, fairly quick recharge and can give you both jump and stealth the two best utility and escape options in the game at the same time. Given she is a low stam use hero who is never in the dangerous areas she only needs the stealth if focused down by an assassin. Its a completely free get out of jail card for inami players and almost feels like a punishment for locking her down and wasting time and free hits she can get on you.
>>1261456I keep trying to play Ezren thinking that every time before I've just played him wrong and every time I accomplish nothing and am left totally bewildered how he exists the way he does. Who the fuck gave him that E and thought "this is fine"?
Question to everyone. What is everyone playing on and are you using controller or keyboard?
you niggas are using creatures that cost more than 1 focus? No wait, are you niggas upgrading creatures at all?
>>1261489KB+MI like being able to instantly turn around after teleporting with Mozu to make use of her damage buff.
i would kill for a fov sliderI CAN'T SEE SHIT
>>1261456>tankiness, some of the best in the game>>lowest healthpool tier, at 1500 HP / 15 Armor>>unlike Tripp / Imani / Mozu, has literally (as in, the meaning of literally) zero escape options>>>>>Also on the lowest speed tier so literally everyone can chase her down>>>>>Also one of the weakest Basic chains in the game (112 damage per hit, less than Sven with the direct upgrade)Nigger just turn on her. And. Kill. Her. She is forced to take a near-frontline position, is almost always the highest priority target just by default, and is one of the easiest *anythings* to kill. Who cares about the ghost, just kick the shit out of the little girl and either get a kill or force her to disengage so she can run into your Assassin by herself. Every single character trades higher, she has no positive matchups unless she has Cador babysitting herself (at which point she's just removed her team impact from the game), and even then she trades low and loses to most DPS. Put any Assassin on her and she's just *gone*. That's why Cador is so unusually tanky, because she is so ridiculously weak.Shit like this is a constant reminder that le community should never, ever be listened to. It's just filled with vocal minorities that don't even play the fucking game. Fucking shitcord man.I can get behind Ezren needing some buffs, but keep them QoL over numbers; he already hits like a truck if left unattended. Something like letting his Souls stay around for longer is all he needs, them fading after a few seconds gets annoying fast; maybe a cooldown buff on his AoE to get it more in line with Xenobia's larger Curse AoE for it's size.
>>1261572This, people focus down ghost dad too much, I usually just throw some agrro her way and she dips.You don't even have to follow up, as long as her and her dad are gone, and ig you do follow up she's a ridiculously easy to kill literally all she can turn is turn 180 degrees and waste stamina.Jump + m1, or literally anything into her soft unprotected back is all you need at that point.
>>1261572Now do Rutger.
>>1261610Nah, Rutger's in a good spot. Strong but not veering into overrated.
what the fuck am i supposed to do as Wu, I feel like I'm never doing jack shit for damage
>>1261620wu's job is to be an annoying prick
>>1261620>get in, kitdump twice, get outor>pull them in, lock them the fuck down in place, pray your team follows upWu has extremely low-tuned damage for an Assassin in exchange for all his cuntish movement, interruption and displacement, so you either need to do 2 kit rotations with your cooldown resets + weaved in Basics to get the same damage the other Assassins do (take damage skills); or play like Pudge / Roadhog, drag them in, and keep them in place in front of a HK gatling or some shit (take defensive skills).Also, land your tongues or don't play him, it's borderline mandatory you're reliable with them.
>>1261645oh so his third talent is actively completely dogshit and not just kind of ass like I thought, then
>>1261572People still shoot at heavies with pocket medics, you'll never stop people from being dumb.
>servers are still a fucking nightmare>me & friends couldn't even get many games in during 2x weekend>they decide to refund the game abstraction..please...I'm begging..
Tyto and Ramsey are so much fun holy shit.
>>1261989What is Ramsay's playstyle like? Never played him, in the original release or now. Rarely see him now. Been wanting to pick up someone who can skirmish, and I always just lumped him in with "assassin" and I don't play assassins.
>>1262020He is sort of a really tanky backline disrupter. Can fill both frontline and straight DPS in a pinch. Not really an assassin.
Im so sick of tanking because no one else willI will be covering for shit teams until the day this game dies.
>>1262059Don't tank then. There are characters with some flex in their roles who can act like a frontline if they need to. The only two real tanks in the game are Rutger and the Margrave. You can lynchpin an attack or defence around Zenobia, Ramsey or even Grismela. Try them out for some flexibility in your choices if everyone keeps wanting to play ranged DPS. Honestly one of the reasons I like gigantic is that the team composition is a lot more flexible than other hero shooter moba games.
>>1262020Not much of an assassin. He can kind of be played like a dodge tank. He gets insane mobility and disruption and gets two dots to apply. Incredibly hard to duel him.
>>1262020Like the other's said, he's a dodge tank and has a pretty good matchup against Rutger due to his dots.One thing worth noting is that his left side m1 melee skill upgrades don't work properly. With them affecting his dodge and jump attack.So he's one of the best for finishing off fleeing enemies.>>1261610One tip for Rutger is that his meele upgrades only apply to his standard m1, so his jump and dodge attack aren't buffed.But mind you he still does 160 on jump attack and 150 on dodge attack.
would be nice if i could play. just saying
>>1262412I appreciate the game probably had spaghetti code with all the issues that the original developers had to deal with but the game shouldn't have gotten less stable with a rerelease.
>>1262445Why do people keep shitposting about the paths message? It literally doesn't do anything
>>1262472because funny
>>1262472You must construct additional pylons.
>>1258968where'd you get the model from?
>>1262590the game's files of course nsfw edit i'm working on
I hated Mozu at first but after realizing she can prevent the entire enemy team from shooting anything for 12 entire seconds i now love her
>>1262665Woe Tripp be upon ye
So, what is the point of Vadasi when Svenn and Aisling regularly put out more healing than her without being offensively useless?
It's been 2 weeks and the game is still riddled with gamebreaking bugs. What the fuck are the devs even doing at this point? That PATHS NEED TO BE REBUILT shit is honestly fucking embarrassing, like as if the game never left beta. And they expect people to shell out 20 for this. I tried to be reasonably optimistic but it's getting more difficult as more and more days pass. Maybe /v/'s resident shitposters were right. This was just sent out to die and we're all just idiots drunk on copium.
>>1262831Can't help but agree on that anon. I was trying to be optimistic early on as well, but alot of these issues are straight up inexcusable. I get it, we've all been waiting a very long time for something like this to happen, but its clear as day that this needed way more time in the oven.
>>1262831>>1262840You people are exaggerating hard. The bugs aren't "gamebreaking", they're just annoying and unfortunately first to see because all the genuinely awful ones are in the menus. The actual game itself is fine save for a handful of small things (i.e. imp creature portal warping you under the floor in some places, the invuln player fill bot thing)
>>1262848>invuln player fill bot thingYou literally just described a gamebreaking bug and it happens quite frequently to a lot of people. You think it's fun to have a match go to shit and lose automatically because someone decided to leave and have an invulnerable bot attack your team? Oh yeah, that's another thing, there's no penalty for leaving, which is an absolute joke in 2024 where there's punishments for that sort of thing in most other modern online multiplayer games. This kind of toxic positivity is really rubbing me the wrong way now, I've experienced all sorts of strange fuckups from T-poses to warping and lag, stop fucking being an apologist. Admit that the game has severe issues and if its not fixed then the game is speeding up its own demise.
>>1262851>You think it's fun to have a match go to shit and lose automatically because someone decided to leave and have an invulnerable bot attack your team?You'd be fucked either way because the bots are legitimately retarded. This is the case for basically every team-based game like this; someone leaving means the game is practically over. Said player being replaced by an invulnerable stage hazard isn't "gamebreaking", it's just kind of annoying.>I've experienced all sorts of strange fuckups from T-poses to warping and lag, stop fucking being an apologist.Man, I'm not being an apologist for shit. The menu bugs give a dogshit first impression and the stuff like the pre-natch character select is silly and shouldn't be a thing. I have yet to see warping or t-posing mid-game.The game has issues, but the most "severe" it ultimately is is that the first impression the game gives off is bad because of jank-ass menuing.
>>1262851I think a lot of the player leaving is being getting crashed out of a game. I get crashed out of a clash match about 1/20 times. If its the same for everyone else than your going to see it happen in at least half the games you get.
have you tried showing the game to new people? I did with a group of friends and it didn't go so well. Besides the bugs the game is almost incomprehensible to newcomers with all the shit going on screen during fights. Shame
I hate Imani players. Not because they're good, but whenever one ends up on my team, they are so fucking useless. Uselessly pinging away at people on the other side of the map while actual team fights are going on is so infuriating.
>>1263020I had one friend buy and refund the game day 2, then buy it again just before the launch sale ended when the servers had stabilized. He likes it now.
>>1263239>>1263020I think they may have just killed the game off with the poor launch. They must have known about these issues going out the door but this is Gigantic's 3rd chance to make a good first impression and its developers have thrown that away. Things like steam reviews and bad word of mouth are killer for a release. The almost non existent communication to the player base that they are working on issues or running into bugs nearly every time your try to play a game. I was really hoping that we might see a pathway to Gigantic 2 but I don't know if this new developer can even caretake this game properly. The game is so much fun so I hope the player count doesn't plummet too fast.
>>1263020I have successfully convinced four people to buy it. Only one of them plays as much as me though.
What's stopping them from releasing a hotfix for the most glaring issues? Is it the console review process?
>>1263381From what it seems they've said, they've already rolled out a few stealth patches along with the server&stability fixes that give them more diagnostics; the formal patching process is just for fixing the less-easy stuff like Imp portals.
>>1263385I'm mainly talking about roland double damage and kajir stealth spam. I feel like those should be very high priority.
>>1262779What in the world are the Vadasis you are playing with?
Anyone got the rips of the minimaps? I'm working on maps that show where all the stuff the Creatures do (aka which ones are massively important and which ones bordering useless in certain spots), but the only minimaps I can find here https://gigantic.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Minimap_Images definitely aren't the ones used in game and are majorly inaccurate.
>>1263277That one "State of the Game" update was so pathetic it was kind of jarring. Poorly written and formatted half-assed blogpost patting themselves on the back for fixing something that should've been fixed months ago. Abstraction's really showing their incompetence as the days go on.
The "build variety" in this game feels like a sham. A lot of characters like Kajir have a single viable upgrade path, and if you don't do that build you are halving your damage if not worse.
not a fan of going up against 5 stacks as a solo
>>1262621How's progress coming along so far?
>>1263848The game is now dropping to sub 300 players outside of America prime time. Trying to get into matches gets me players from china and japan in Europe after 5-10 minutes. I've got no choice but to turn cross play back on and deal with the consequences. Abstraction you brought back something I thought I would never have again and then let in die in front of me.
>>1264029The fact that they're DEAD silent about all updates is really killing any good faith the community had in them.
Has anyone seen some of the schizophrenic retardation being posted on the steam discussion forums?The amount of F2P begging, lack of context, and literal lies I was seeing on the steam discussions is Lolcow worthy. There's even a dude there reposting the same bait just to be a niggerI've seen enough people saying it should have been F2P to be convinced it's become an ideology to some.>>1263277>>1262851Mind you, what you guys say is unfortunately true, but obviously there's still time and plenty of possibility for them to turn it around if they focus (heh). What you guys are saying here is sensible. IMO?I think with the promised new content, updates, and maybe something more + communication, the ship could right itself and then some. That cult status is nothing to scoff at when the game speaks for itself when it's NOT shitting itself.The f2p beggars and naysayers really are scum though
>>1263777Some characters it's excellent, like Voden or Margrave, most of the classics I'd say offer someting you might want to test.Kajir does feel rather one note, but that might be Cope since I haven't tried making a skeleton crew build work (a snare would make that shit so scary).
>>1265192Sven is probably the king of build variety, dude can literally just do whatever the fuck he wants
>>1265189>I've seen enough people saying it should have been F2P to be convinced it's become an ideology to some.I don't know how the hell it was going to survive during the original release honestly.It was almost exactly as easy to unlock everything as it is now, including all the skins being purchasable with crowns instead of cash currency.I had no idea what the hell they expected to be selling.
>>1263919almost done with mesh. I had to shorten her freakishly long orangutan arms a bit. might include shape keys that give her proportions based on ihzaak's art of her. no ETA because even if it was finished Smutbase manually checks every submission before they go public. i submitted my first model days ago and its still awaiting approval.
>>1265249>I had to shorten her freakishly long orangutan arms a bit.I'm not surprised, that robe obviously does a ton to hide her proportions.
>>1265189The one thing that is really annoying to me in particular is PS5 owners constantly claiming that the game is bricking their console. Do they not know basic computer terminology? That bricking means permanently destroying? Crash =/= bricking. Having to hard reset your console is in no way comparable to your console getting bricked. I get that the state of the PS5 release is unacceptable, that they should be able to play something that they have payed for, but the spreading of lies helps precisely no one and is utterly contemptable. Having so many PS5 owners making claims to the effect that the game is literal malware costing them a significant amount of cash needs to be addressed by the developers in a public post on all channels immediately as it will scare off any potential new player on PS5 or any other platform. Along with preventing any player who has already bought it on consoles from playing ever again because they don't want to risk the non-existent danger.
>>1265189easy. they don't have $20 because they're third world poorfags or children and they're that thirsty for games that they want to play but know they'll never spend a single dime on. they go on these mental gymnastics on why the game should be free is like how faggots go on and say they'll be paying artists with exposure. not to mention how artificially inflating the player count with f2p players will kill servers faster than they can maintain them which is what happened last time.
>>1265284to b fair, the ps5 already is a brick with nogames, so their assessment is technicaly correct, just the worng causeationt. ps4player / bloodborne+earlymonhunworld machine owner
>>1265249so fucking based, be sure to post the file when it's readyalso I will give her huge boobs
>>1265249>midna proportions but a borked skull because it's hidden under the robessuffering
>>1265237That's what we call passion over $It should have just been paid Originally>>1265284This should be a bigger stink desu, someone's gotta tell abstraction to address it.They could come out with a very transparent post, if they were smart, and I think people would be happy.My assumption (given the sales seem to be pretty damn good) is that they're deep in the trenches and meetings figuring out how to best tackle things in order.>>1265305trvkePicrel was as post from yesterday.Xbox was the OG home of Gigantic, so I'm not surprised if true. And if true, that's a lot of money.The steam release has made like 2 or 3 mil or so base on my crude math
>>1265496>>1265249>>1265267Bros... with good Mozu smut we could single-handedly grab furries and gooners by the nuts.We'll be GIGANTIC in no time.I know some furry artists that could make a pretty cute remodel of her. I would use it on VRCmyself if it was ported.also sllsfhm
>>1266995you posted a screenshot of someone who leaves the game idling in the background in order to boost the charts
>>1266995>discord said
https://www.gogigantic.com/en/news-article/11568473General- Fixed Bots spawned after a Player leaves being invincible and not belonging to either team- Fixed crew members getting queued up again if one of the members declines the match- Fixed Unknown Match queue- Fixed +0 crowns after certain hero mastery level ups- Fixed missing bold text for Korean and Chinese languages- Fixed "Paths need to be rebuilt" Heroes- Roland: Grappling Hook no longer applies Cripple AoE on a miss- Roland: Blunderbuss - Targeting Shell: Fixed damage buff working incorrectly- Kajir: Skeleton Crew now goes on a 12 second cooldown when not spawning copies Maps- Sanctum Falls – Clash: Launching from the left jump pad on Grenn’s airship no longer results in landing on invisible collision above the map- Ember Grove Rush Map Collision - Hero no longer walks above the ground after launching from the left jump padPatch notes for the 26th, 10:00 AMLooks like the finally stopped doing shadow patches which wouldn't cause any down time, at least we know they're still working on it.
>>1267239coolnow turn on ember grove in map rotation plz
>>1267104>discord
I have never played Tripp in my life.
>>1266997Can you imagine if some day someone made a model based off of Mouezu's work?https://twitter.com/mouezu/status/1749473692835258491Or even this?
This would also work.
>>1266997we've been doin sporadic helpings of mozu smut since six years ago so, 3d would be a nice change
>>1267710Would you share the sauce for that by chance? I've yet to see that on any of the sites I've gone to, there's less than 50 lewds on any site I'm aware of.
>>1267731sure, here's straight from the tap
>>1267813uooooh...
>>1267239I feel sorry for our PS5 bros. Nothing in this update helps them play the game and the devs have given no timeline on when it will be fixed.
>>1267813Makes sense why I haven't seen that one before, nice work!
>>1267239finally, those Roland abusers were obnoxious
>>1267834I am suffering.The absolute state of the discord doesn't help.How do people group up here?
>>1268009>Post ID>Anyone on?>Fun with frensI can hop on in a few hours btw
>>1266995I usually only soloQ. Can't play tonight but if people are around tomorrow maybe we can team up.
i like zandorawho else might i enjoy
>>1268074Ramsay / Pakko work as other alt-frontlines if that's what you're into, Pakko can even build as a Bruiser-Healer too.
how do i play t-mat
how do i play charnok
how do i play aisling
>>1268104spam rockets>>1268109spam lvl 2 fireballs>>1268122spam armor+heal aura
>>1267813Why do imps and hips go so well together
>>1268435hourglass figure, except the upper half of the hourglass is the head, which is able to be much proportionally larger than the chest because midgetit's also specifically why midna is the indisputable queen of the imps, because her godawfultodraw helm makes her a flawless hourglass, and why she doesn't "work" without it.
i don't know what i'm supposed to be doing in this game
>>1268074You might like Xenobia Instead of buff auras she surrounds herself with an ungodly amount of CC and Degen. Can also alt-frontline if your careful.>>1268611Play through the guides if you haven't already. Then when your playing choose a support or frontline and stick with your team as much as possible until you get the hang of things.
Imagine being such a nigger that you're telling people to hop off heroes in rush.
>>1267611kinda hate how the 10 ended up, if i ever get around to drawing mozu she'd prolly be a around a 6 or 7 honestly
i thought this general would be more alive for how excited people were for the comeback did the week 1 launch issues kill us again
>>1263685Your best bet on getting the minimap rips is to speak to Winkio. He's the main person behind building the new Gigantic wiki and I'm pretty sure he is the one who added the maps to the wiki. He's likely to help you if able. You can find him on the discord.
>>1269387Eh, been a while already; I've already started on just manually fixing up the maps myself (Grove's the main one done right now); especially considering the in-game ones don't show walls or ledges or how close you can get to the enemy Guardian (which for some places, is surprisingly close).Main one is just that Heaven's Ward minimap is almost unusably inaccurate to work off as a base and definitely inaccurate to the one in-game, and it was the second one I did after Reef so it seemed worse than it was. Picaro's pretty bad too, but I at least can work with it (original maps are fine).>the new wikiSeems like an attentionwhore without even knowing him, and just wanted to snap up some dogshit fandom domain for SEO. If he wanted to genuinely contribute, there's one already up and on a better platform, there was no need to start wikiwars and no reason otherwise.It being the original wiki aside, I will always prefer gogigantic.wiki just by virtue of it not being on fucking fandom.>shitcordI have never used that piece of shit platform and I never will.
>>1269413Seeing all the minimaps side by side like that makes me realize the only map in the game that I don't hate is Siren's Strand>Ghost Reef is tiny and barely feels like a map at all>Sanctum is an unreadable clusterfuck in the indoors areas and too open to ranged characters to dominate everywhere else>Heaven's Ward is just miserable sniper alleys>Picaro all the fighting just happens at the one point by the boxes and all the rest of the map is just a maze to get lost in>Ember Grove requires you to run all the way back to your guardian to get from one side to the other, feels like three totally separate hallwaysSiren is the only one that doesn't feel either claustrophobic or like it was designed by someone who only played T-mat and Imani
>>1261282>>1261266You can reenable the VGS with just a a few file changes.Find the folder with the game files>gigantic->RxGame->Config ->RxUI->ctrl+f: "quickchat" and change "false" to "true" (delete false and type true)->save text file->load game->should work. Then pressing 1-4 will let you use the old quickchats. I tried it out some of the voice lines seem be busted and it wont work if you have a suggested upgrade but they will always show up in the chatbox.
>>1269413I've been using the Wiki GG wiki, due to having the actual useful numbers front and center, a clear layout, and some bugs noted on skills.The map pages and the notes on the map are also useful, and I wish the in game mini map showed elevation.
>>1269425>>Picaro all the fighting just happens at the one point by the boxes and all the rest of the map is just a maze to get lost inThere's quite a lot of shortcuts and the like on Picaro; two massive routes nobody ever takes is the walkway that skips the entirety of the midregion, and when you're clashing, going the slightly longer ship-side instead of land-side when running at the Guadian gives you a ton of cover and it's own dedicated walkway that defenders struggle to reach. I disliked it first, but it's really grown on me as I've learnt the layout; since the maze helps defenders not get completely locked out of their own map.>>Ember Grove requires you to run all the way back to your guardian to get from one side to the other, feels like three totally separate hallwaysI like that, it's a map that plays differently. Both lanes have to deal with their shit with either a surplus or a deficit with attacker or defenders advantage, you can't take the point without wiping the lane, and he midpoint exists to deal with tiebreakers. You've gotta choose who to throw people down and where you're most needed.>SirensBro the in-ship contested point can be damaged by an Imani being healed by the mid-map creature on her side, and the way of reaching her are two massive sniper alleys. Clash, sure, but first phase is a nightmare.>>1269435Still wikiwars bro
>>1269620True, no matter what it's wiki wars.
how do I play wu
>>1269695push buttonshit tongue to reset cooldownspush buttons again
>margraves leap has a shit ton of recovery frames>you can just dodge before you land to cancel the attack, making it a much better mobility/escape tool, rather than strictly an engageneat
>>1269789This but you can also cancel it with the charge if you want to engage without it taking a small chunk out of your Stamina bar.Also, Rutger's slow (and dive) can be used mid-air, and hits targets behind walls + on floors below you.
faggots with TTV in their name as some of the most insufferable cocksuckers alive.
>>1269206Yes
>>1267843>>1267813>>1267731>>1267710>>1267617>>1267611Fuck this gremlin, deals so much ranged damage, then just when you catch her and she's a 1 hp she uses E to escape.
>>1269860Always a mid tier player who is the first to start whining if your not completely stomping the other team.
What’s the best way to practice dodging in this game? Do you just go to the practice map and dodge the lizard’s fireballs?
>>1270405imo Just play Ramsay, his entire kit revolves around dodges, and he can get them cheaper with his Passive upgrades + stamina back on his dodge-ability. Go into a game of Rush with a Dodge build and just get used to timings on the less contested point (eg the Pirate ship on Picaro), duel with anyone who contests you.Played him for a while and it instantly carried over to everyone else.
dear god implement solo queue
So, would anyone want to add each other and play this together instead of solo queuing?
>>1271951I'll be on for three in an hour or two >>1252855
We good? Sent you an invite
