Only one more month until EA so it's time for a new thread.Hyped or nah?Personally I'm pumped and made it to lvl 33 so far in the beta and can't think of anything else but the game.
>everquest without the nostalgia of norrath>have to group up and socialize with troons, zoomers and boomers to get anything donemiss me with that shit nigga
The onboarding is fucking horrendous, but otherwise it's kind of funNight Harbor is WAAAY too fucking big for a place to start at.
>>2880551this game looks terrible.worse everquest without the nostalgia.all of these nostalgia bait games are garbage. the developers yearn for the time period, not the game.
>>2880551It looks nice. I really liked all of the character classes. Looking forward to playing a deep gnome. I played the beta for a bit and night harbor is really huge. The enchanter starter quest took me about 2 hours to do, and it's just a fetch quest. Most of the space is empty, and this is a rolling alpha? So don't expect it to be finished. If you want a better polished game, pantheon is in playable beta, but that's getting wiped and it's not very popular.
>>2881205i got early 1999 era everquest vibes from it. Like here's your starter weapon, sink or swim nigga
>>2881205eq controls are unplayable today desu
>>2880551signed up for the beta but didnt get an invite...guess ill just wait for ea
It's a LOT like Adrullan(EverCraft) but Adrullan is made of voxels and looks like Minecraft, while M&M is absolutely massive and has like 20 classes
>>2885183zones and dungeons are massive and well designed so it makes me wonder just what the fuck did those scamtheon retards do for 10+ years with 10x more money?
>>2885332They built their game in a proper engine and not shitty Unity. They also had original ideas and didn't just make an EQ clone.
I played this a bit in some of the open tests. It seems really nice. Idk if I will play it on release because my timezone will probably be dead and I don't really want to commit a heap of time any one thing right now. Doesn't help that I want to be a deep gnome but they won't be in for a while.>>2885484over spending on assets to the point that can't deliver is not exactly an own
>>2885499They've delivered a lot more than M&M
didnt they like postpone it until end of the year?
>>2885502scamtheon has like 1/10 of the content M&M has thoughbelt
>>28855181.st of October
>>2885527Lol no it doesn't
>>2885911Lol yes it does, probably more actually
both of your games are bad though.
>>2885332Pantheon looks like a better M&M, it's just that it's run by a company that makes Star Citizen look like a sound investment.
>>2885332The money went into Brad McQuaid's stomach.
>>2888215*nose
hell yeah mansters and mammaries
>>2882226it controls more like a slightly jankier wow with some eq inspired ui jank
soul
>dudu gets to keep all their broken EQ utility>while also being made a viable healerno wonder 30% of the beta plays one including me
>>2885484>They built their game in a proper engine and not shitty UnityYet somehow it looks worse than M&M.
>>2889485the concept art is so fucking good but the character models aren't living up to that at all
>>2889524>start out, beastlord class, spend 45 mins looking for the guild based on the info in the fucking note... Beast tame quest, oops fuck up, guild leader kills me for not taming the beast rightGet to run back to my corpse45 minutes later, use the salve, then tame
>>2880551I made it to 34 back in march and it basically made me not want to play anymore, haven't played in for months, this is when getting a key was rare and thousands wanted in so badly they were willing to pay 200-500 dollars for an account.It's just not a good game whatsoever, getting rid of nick was a smart idea but lovingrobot is also a trash dev who has way too much of a boner for recreating EQ in the worse way possible.
>>2885484>>2889525It's not the engine. It's how the developers use it. Very rarely can you blame a game's faults on the engine.
>>2880861Not to mention horrible looking races and bad animationsoriginal EQ has far more soul, I want low IQ monstrous trolls and ogres not pixar saturday morning versions like M&M
>>2890790There's other games out there. Plenty, even. You chose this one to complain about.
>>2890806Just telling the truth lad, just because you're blind and have shit taste doesn't mean I'm not allowed to share my experience and the hard facts about the game.But I hope you still enjoy it after launch month when the steam numbers look worse than the abysmal free closed beta numbers (which is given out like candy now btw yet still has awful population)
>>2890779I didn't get that far but I played a bunch of the open tests they had and yeah it sort of burned me out on the game. It's neat but it there's just a bit too many problems. The lack of class customization is a big one for me. I just like making choices about my character as I level it up.>getting rid of nick was a smart ideaThey got rid of him?>but lovingrobot is also a trash dev who has way too much of a boner for recreating EQ in the worse way possible.Agreed. The obsession with EQ is a bit much. I like a lot of the EQ feel they have but then some things go too far. He's also one of the major voices in making some of the races models' look fucking stupid like the dwarves. The need to be "chonky" or whatever. There's so much talent in the team but it doesn't feel very well rounded out.>>2890806Really there aren't. There's no new old-school-style MMORPGs other than this one. Pantheon was released as a rotting corpse. Everything else is dead or cancelled. Aside from MnM your choices are a couple private servers of games that are 20+ years old. That is why people want this game to be good and that is why they are vocal about their disappointment in it.
>>2890824That and it's unfinished, I know oct is early access but imagine playing EQ and all it had was freeport, the ro deserts, commonlands, and maybe najena and befallenthat is basically M&M, boring af, cramming people into a tight limited space of zones, and you don't even get all the fun races at launch with their starting cities.With how slow development is I don't see the complete game being available until like 2030 and that's if they don't close up shop before then.
>>2890824nick got thankfully shitcanned months ago and shortly after they anounced revamps for all the 18 classes to make them less literal 1:1 copy pastes from eqthey have revamped about 10 (I think) so far and they have mostly been for the better. obviously they are still clearly eq inspired but now have enough flavor to make them distinct. My druid for example now has a Seasons system that gives them a buff depending on if I use healing or damaging spells. Like Winter season gives 20% more spell damage but if I use healing spells too much I go into a Spring season that only gives 5% more damage and mana regen and if I continue to use healing spells I will go to a Summer that gives 20% more healing
>>2890824>"They got rid of him?"I'm not sure what happened he's being a manchild crybaby faggot on twitter posting the worse retards in history as video clip quotes after he stopped being involved with development but he was definitely a trash dev.
>>2890865I hope they can keep working on it but the sustainability probably isn't there. >>2890869>nick got thankfully shitcanned months ago and shortly after they anounced revamps for all the 18 classes to make them less literal 1:1 copy pastes from eqOh yeah that makes sense. I've been meaning to read those blog posts about the updated classes.>>2890870>but he was definitely a trash dev.I kinda had this feeling when I was actively participating in the tests and following the development.
TRVKE about n*ck from a based schizo
>>2890957I believe it
>>2890824Adrullan looks like EQ but in a minecraft world. It's currently in development, and the playable alpha was fun.
>>2890957>prime pigwhale of a pay2enter manipulatorwhat the fuck does that mean
>>2891195nick was well known for giving out alpha keys for stream donations
The quests and writing for M&M have so far been good. It's a big step up from Embers Adrift which has a bunch of low fantasy boring classes. That game launched with like a starting zone, one city, and a few other zones.
M&M and Adrullan are I think the only big EQ derived games coming out right now. Lucimia/Embers was supposed to be one of them but it's been in development hell for years and it's player base is far smaller than most private servers. Pantheon is DOA. Don't ask me how I know, Visionary Realms cares more about cash than creating something people will want to play.
Also fuck EQ legends. I can understand shutting down a private server making money off your IP but to then turn around and offer the same kind of server is scummy. Fuck Secrets too.
>>2893445he's a mentally ill man in a dress grifting off low value 30+ year old boomers of course he's a evil sack of shit
>last reply is an IP-blocked postIt is scary how often this happens across a number of generals across the website.>>2893443We already discussed the state of Pantheon and the reasoning why.>>2893445The same kind of shit has been happening with World of Warcraft private servers. Three 5+ years-long servers were sued/C&D'd and shut down already, with a fourth shutting down in about a week.
39 to 40 will be the big filterer, well obviously tourist will be long gone by then but people really won't be ready for this tier of hell level
>>2894892Of all the things to include, hell levels? This reminds me of junior year in high school I'd get up early on a Saturday morning and my friends and I did royals in chardok from 58-60 took all weekend. We did some poop socking.
>>2895556yes and they even have your xp bar on flames during them like in that pic
Ahmagad mansters and mammaries. I really want to play a deep gnome enchanter. I wonder which classes are going to be overplayed and which will be useless for endgame stuff. Like what if endgame enchanters are asses and elbows? I might roll a shaman instead or a bard.
>>2896422Druid is the most popular class in the beta by far with like 30% of the population and for a good reason. Chanter is the second most played but that's good because it's the best class in the game by quite a fucking wide margin unless they totally gut it in the revamp which is unlikely because even heavy nerfs would leave them as the most wanted class in every group.Shaman is very strong too even after they got nerfed in their revamp but bard is currently weak trash but it hasn't gotten it's revamp yet either.
>>2896448Druid seems a lot like FFXI's scholar class where you need to change stances to do different things, shaman is like red mage, and I'm hoping bard is like bard; the puller/mezzer who can keep an entire group of mobs permanently locked down while twisting group buffs. I really like the idea of playing a deep gnome, and I'll probably play a DG shaman first, maybe a halfling bard for a second character.I feel like in endgame there will be too many enchanters and not enough wizards and rogues.
>>2896422Don't worry about end game when the game doesn't have any at least not yet.>I really want to play a deep gnome enchanterI'm torn between a deep gnome wizard and a deep elf something, maybe an inquisitor or a rogue. Archer does seem quite interesting too after the rework.
>>2897855bard is SUPPOSED to be puller/mezzer but they are just really bad at it compared to other classes that do these things better like enchanter for both and monk for pulling.Both druid and shaman are healers so that will be their main role, and they can actually do it well unlike in early EQ. Druid weaves in damage when their mana is fine and shaman buff their groups dps and debuffs enemies.
>>2898104They recently added some max level dungeons that are pretty damn overtuned so incels will make group comp matter
>>2898343does shaman need good group synergy? like i can see fighter/cleric being an endgame requirement, but when you're just leveling shaman's supposed to have a 30/40/50% slow and HOTs + cannibalize + melee jack buffs + decent enough haste that you wouldnt really need a chanterMaybe shaman+paladin or something. I heard paladins are gimp
>>2899263ideally they'd make all the healers and all the tanks viable
>>2899263No. Unlike in eq all healers can solo heal all content that's meant to be done by one group and all tanks can tank it.Infact cleric is arguably the worst healer for 95%+ of the current content because they don't have any utility other than ress and moar heals which is not needed.Fighter and Inq got revamped recently and they are both really good tanks. SK is currently good and paladin probably the worst tank but those two haven't gotten revamps yet.
>>2899298I was just thinking about a paladin and a shaman together in a group
>>2899337for utility Shaman has>haste>slow>melee stat boosts>regen>sow>root>invisibility vs living or undead>group invisibility that drops combat at high levelDruid has>damage shield>AC buff>AC debuff>elemental resist debuff>regen>sow>invisibility vs living>evacCleric has>hp buff>ress>invisb vs undead
>>2899388forgot root and snare for druid
>>2899388druids getting potg here? or are MGBs going away/a cleric thing?
>>2899486Druids don't have potg kind of spell at least not yet.Group buffs are allegedly tied to spell research but nobody has figured out that yet despite Shawn claiming it's in the game (blatant lies)
>>2899536reminds me of the time I tried to figure out skinning in a test and couldn't get a clear answer from the devs if it was in game or not
>>2899536Oh man spell research was crazy. I hope I can dumpster dive components and it doesn't make me farm them all.
>>2893370the rogue quest had thematic flavor but it's absolutely awful to play6 NPCs to find in a massive city, most of which is just player housing filler, and guards only give directions to 1 of themsteal an eye from a temple but to use the tool you're given you need to use exact chat commandsthen you gotta kill some guy but he spawns in a 3 hour window behind a closed door you can't reach without scaling a wall from somewhere else so you can't know for sure if you're in the right spot once you find the building unless you ask another player or just look it upafter all that the quest chain halts because now you gotta kill a level 8 guy across the desert
>>2900539Oh yeah the night harbor enchanter quest was just as bad. No map just vague directions.
I'm interesting in seeing the race distribution on launchis it going to be all deep gnomes
>>2901920Idk they're pretty cute. We might see some trolls too. Troll shamans tend to be pretty popular.
>>2900539>steal an eye from a temple but to use the tool you're given you need to use exact chat commandsI don't get why they couldn't make world objects that make sense. The elementalist quest had you look for some scarabs on the walls but then the command to interact with them was something weird that made no sense. At least it had the scarabs. Inquisitor quest had no indication of anything interactable back when I tried doing it. I don't know if they changed that. Rogue quest would make more sense if you could use that tool globally but no, it's that one exact place you gotta use it in and you have no way to know other than to try it and stumble upon the right place and happen to use the right command. It is so fucking unintuitive the way they went about making these quests and interactions.
I wonder if M&M will break 5-10k subs
>>2902999It might get there on launch but I think it will struggle to maintain 1k after a few months.
>>2902999easily
>>2903299I'm going to keep mine going. EQL didn't appeal to me, Pantheon's in development hell for the next 3+ years, Adrullan is probably not going to be in a playable beta until 2028, and so this one shows the most promise.
>>2903576I don't think Pantheon is ever gonna recover. They shot their shot and it didn't go too well. I would assume they'll keep going until whatever funding they have runs out and then close up shop.
>>2903576>still believing Brad's lies from beyond the graveYou deserve to be parted with your money.
>>2903641just one more stat revamp and Pantheon's savedtrust the coke fueled plan
>>2903641I never paid anything for it. It's free to try on Steam right now.
>>2903623Pantheon might be ok, nobody is playing right now because there's going to be a massive wipe before the game goes into stable 1.0
>>2903822I have no idea what they were thinking with announcing server wipe and blowing past all the deadlines they set themselves for it. Fucking nobody will play their shit till wipe happens.
>>2904214Yeah, I think early access is the only way to develop a player base for them. Even if they belay the costs until full rollout if VR wants more than 40 people online these people will need a reason to be online.
I think the highest level i got during the beta was level 4 on monk, and i did it mostly just in the guild fighting the quest npcs over and over again. I read that a lot of monks left night harbor and took the boat across the sea to start in the tree city but it's a dangerous journey
>lost my stuff>lost my level>lost my dignity>it started rainingSOVL
>>2908778why do people go an die over there?
>>2908867it's a lvl 40 mini dungeon with ebin loot but the mobs inside are fucking brutal without a chanter
I would honestly play if these lazy losers at least had all the races in the game, troll looks like it will be the only appealing look race in the entire game but of course they're not releasing until dead last which is probably by the end of 2028 at this rate hell it might not even be until 2029 these retards are so slow it should be a crime.
>>2908959why don't you like the deep gnomes
>>2909316they're ok but their ingame models look really bad compared to the concept artit's like that for every race honestly and I'm sure the same will happen to trolls.The game is just ugly, zero sovl.Original EQ is filled to the brim with SOVL with their models and they're from like 1997.
>>2909344meh you are just nostalgicthe lightning and draw distance makes m&m enviroments vastly better looking than eq ones with it's shitty early 3d kryptonite gas
>>2909352>unironically using the word meh and having such a shit opinionyou seem like a massive faggot no wonder you like deep gnomes, you're probably a pedo on top of it.weirdo retard, I'm out see ya loser.
>>2909344the concept artist they have is just far better than the game artists they've got
>>2908959Troll shaman is going to be big tiddies awesome. Chew my arm off, it grows back.
>>2909370>Rant, projection, special olympics seeyaYikes.
>>2909344>ingame models look really bad compared to the concept artbiggest issue with the game
>>2910797It is issue with all of the indie mmos.
Wait deep gnomes are in the game now?
The thing I really hated was the UI, I mean it's probably the worst UI I've ever seen.
>>2911092I want to see, there's no screenshots anywhere.
>>2911092their models exist and are in one of the newest dungeons, like dark elves, but playable ones won't be in the beta until the next patch, supposedly
>>2911042idk I quite like how albion looks there the issue was the soulless mobile game tier world and game design with pantheon the old style was okay but the new one has that disgusting post-wow cartoon abomination look to it>>2911097you can see glimpses of them in the modeler's stream when he worked on them
The UI really does look bog standard, is this capable of being modified? I'd love to make a better UI
>>2911268you can move stuff around and there's some UI scaling optionI don't think there's anything like actual UI modding
>>2912445supported UI modding
I see the east coast server is the most populated one thus far, any west coast bros that happened to roll on it during the betas remember how their latency was?
>>2890779if Nick was so terrible that they canned him and couldn't even talk about then who else on the team sucks right now but may or may not be booted.Sean also seems to act like he knows what he's doing but the things that are wrong with the game never get changed even after booting nick
>>2890865exactly, they want to sell you this game over 5 years until it's finally at a 1.0 stage but they just lie on the website like it's complete.
>>2891180I had way more fun playing Adrullan than MnM
>>2900539>steal an eye from a temple but to use the tool you're given you need to use exact chat commandsI was in hell trying to get this shit to work. I was standing on the statue but you have to be on the ledge above it and then /steal or whatever. it should work while I'm on the statue. just jank
>>2909344I am disgusted by the Wood Elves models. the male is a FtM with no dick+balls and the female is a MtF with super narrow hips and wide shoulders.
>>2913714Adrullan is much more feature complete in its alpha stage than M&M is right now. I just don't like the voxel world or any of the models. It's still a great game.
>>2913692>Seanisn't it Shawn? or is there a Sean as wellanyways Shawn seemingly has no useful game development skills though I suppose he could be doing stuff on the project management side of things but I do recognize that his streaming helped build the audiencethe game wouldn't exist without Ali but at the same time he isn't good enough to make it run well when it comes to performance and netcode I wouldn't be surprised if there are actual useless beings on the team that we don't see because they aren't publicly visible>>2914378they chose the worst possible way to solve their art incompetency
>>2914475Who knows, there's a whole generation that grew up playing minecraft who might get into EverquestFor some reason I keep going back to Maple Story 2 and that's how Adrullan felt
>>2913735not a fan. Everquest did it right. Wood Elves shouldn't be one generation removed from goblins and trolls, they should be one generation removed from high elves.
>>2880551I want to see M&M succeed. I understand it doesn't have a massive studio behind it, and that's ok. As long as the classes are fun.
>>2923128did they fix Rogue? apparently they were trying to create a "multi use" class instead of making it a DPS class
>>2929810it is pretty much a pure dps class, with a sap copied from wow as their only cc, but a bit undertuned compared to spellblade and beastmasters especially at higher levelsthey are still the best at corpse recovery though so people like to bring them to dungeons
>>2929810I thought that's what beastlord was for. It's not like BL gets cool shaman stuff, they are just smelly tarzan people
>>2930831BM lost all their shaman stuff in their revamp in exchange they became a real dps class
Deep releasing today in the betaSupposedly
>>2931291Might have been cool to have an alternate slow and a pack mana regen
>>2931519They can do 30% dlow with a wasp pet, incidentally 90% of BMs use wasp pet.
deep gnomes
deep elves
>>2931883>no bikinis for dgWOKE ALERT
>>2931883>>2931885This is painful to look at. The concept art was SO GOOD.
deep zones are cool but there's no way in hell most people can find anything down here
>deep elves are womanlets
>>2932054Why is there night harbor architecture in the deep?
>>2932121that's the deep part of NH where gnomes start atdeep elves have their own city
deep elf will probably be overplayed as fuck just like in eq
gates of nu-neriak
sure is blue around here
these guards here execute anyone trying to get to this part of the city, my corpse is somewhere in that pile too
>>2932147I see that makes sense then.>>2932165>>2932169>>2932171>>2932175This place looks pretty cool. I will have to check the feel of the deep gnome in game but I'm definitely leaning towards deep elf now.
>>2931564that's pretty nice, i thought wasps were a swarm ability
>>2932290they no longer have swarm petsthey must now tame their pets wow hunter style and level them too and the pets have unique abilities but the wasp's one is just flat out best in every single situation from soloing to grouping
>>2931883i don't know why they couldnt have just left their eyes slightly oblong, it looks like the model animator just stretched the entire head in photoshop
>>2932300there go my swarm of angry bees ambitions. 30% slow is nothing to scoff at when the max shaman slow is 50% and is probably a huge agro generator.
>>2932329BM is in extremely good spot now, max lvl people claim it's the second best dps in the game after spellblade and it's the best soloer out of all melee classes except sk who hasn't been revamped yet
kek
This all looks fantastic. Even the weird looking dark elves.
>>2932437deep feels really fresh after years of desert and more desert
this really reminds me of the underground lake in Dark Souls
>>2932479I'm getting under dark vibes from TFR
Just missing Drizzt and Guenhwyvar
this lake is so much bigger than it looks thanks to the huge draw distance of the game
>>2932278that's a cool monster
I'm guessing this lead to the deep elf city
so the deep elves filled with manlet envy don't like my wood elf chaddess
if I kill several hundred of these they may let me in...
there it ismaybe
deep elves desperately trying to kill lvl 1 shrooms or something
and here we are at the gates of nu-neriakI think I have spammed enough for the day, should give general idea what deep looks like
>>2932304They were like that in the concept art it's just that the model fails in conveying the style. Similar issues with a lot of the other races. The models just don't live up to the concept art.
>>2932809the game artist stretched it too much. Also the dude has actual hooters.
>>2932833Ahmagad mansters and mammaries. The prophecy has come true
>>2932833The face proportions are off too.
is it just me or are the skinnier races modeled sort of what they would look like nude instead of what they should look like wearing stuff because if you think of it even a skinny person looks quite a bit bulkier wearing stuff but both types of elves and goblins look way too skinny when they are wearing stuff so it looks weirdin that sense I would expect them to be modeled a bit bulkier so that they look proper when wearing equipment
I feel like an in game map is going to need to happen before M&M takes off. Not having navigation plus massive maze like cities with secret entrances to important places for your class/race is pretty annoying. After finding the enchanters guild for the first time I was just like.... Fuck
>>2931883>>2931885Another example of how shit everything looks ingame compared to the concept art LOL
>>2932165keep dreamingthis is only going on because it's the first new area in years and everyone is tired of playing in the boring desert and woodelf area for half a decade
>>2933355They at least added sense direction skill recently
>>2933355Devs are too high on their own farts to see reason or listen to anyone but their sycophants.
Welcome new Enchanter, Here I'll teleport you to the secret base location behind this massive trow of buildings up this cliff you have to jump to and in this tiny unmarked door where theres some npcs with random names who only talk to you if you're among the initiated. Meanwhile the Necromancer's guild is this giant sinister looking building with its own city guards and easy to find GMs. And the necromancer NPC just mind blocks the enchanter who attempts to meld into her mind. Like you have no power here.
I do wish there were more EQ-like options other than M&M, Adrullan (both alphas), and the resident EQ private servers.
>>2936320FFXI has some EQ dna in it. If you can get past the UI learning curve it could be a game for you. There's a new classic server called Phoenix starting later this month.
>>2936346Can you keep your shilling to your designated containment thread?
>>2880883For all the things they copied from EQ they could have at least copied the kino city layouts.Qeynos = the definitive best mmorpg city in the entire genreThere's a reason why it's called kinos
There's at least one writer on the team using ChatGPT to toss in quest dialogue I swear. Just look at half the quest dialogues and item descriptions in shoals & evershade regions. Hope find out who and do something about it.
>>2937221>How far away do you want to be from a Nexus spire?Qeynos: YesCabilis: Si
>>2937196Can you stop being so fucking salty about a new server taking all your players?
I wonder if trolls are going to get regeneration or not, or if it's going to be substantial enough to make the shaman meta
>>2937555It's like when you build the Lego set you got for Christmas and then your retarded brother goes in and smashes it, and then you build it back up again 3-4 more times and your retarded brother smashes it again. I'm gonna play something else thanks.
>>2938172Maybe you should have beaten up your retarded brother.
>>2938186Nah he can have the legos I'm going to play something less gay
I wonder rid we're going to have some fomo items like a mana orb
Bit over two weeks left to launch. I want to join a helpful guild that doesn't plan on poop socking content. Planning on rolling either a troll or dg shaman or beastmaster, and looking at bard. Bard is more my play style but only if it's a pull/mezz/buffer which I think is the game direction for the class. We'll see. I don't even mind if it's underwhelming, I'll make it work.
Anyone who levelled to high level on fighter have any insight on how needed it is to funnel gear to them?Only played two classes during the playtest, which were the fighter and necromancer. I really enjoyed both of them, but it was immediately obvious that one class needed frequent upgrades and consumables to keep up. Do fighters eventually unlock stuff that makes their solo-viability go up or are does the difficulty of higher level content out pace them?
>>2938908No. Fighter will never be solo viable no matter how you gear them, excluding low lvl twinks of course.It's a tank class made to tank and nothing else
Shame that nu-classic WoW is going to tank the player base
>>2939565is that even going to be out this decade?Starcraft Dominion said 2030, this one didn't come with a date and they both dropped a few hours ago.
>>2939565idk if there's that much overlap
I'm looking into class synergy. Like ok Paladins have great snap agro and ACShamans have great uptimeBeastmasters have a sweet wasp pet so the shaman wont have to blow mana dropping slowsBard/enchanter for supportand you better fill that last spot with a Ranger who will rub your balls down with some tiger balm when you get sleepy
>>2939603the current meta group would be>fighter or paladin (only as long as the post revamp opness lasts) tank>shaman or druid healer>chanter (must have)>BM for high dps and wasp>monk for pulling >dps slot for spellblade/rogue/archer
>>2939613would there be any real downside to picking a ranger for campfire buffs?
>>2939685ranger hasn't been revamped yet so we don't know how they'll be, we do know that they are losing all their best buy druid spells thoughthe improved campfire is a total meme btw courtesy to n*ck, it just makes it last slightly longer and it doesn't give better xp buff or mana regen or anything like that
>>2939896it's the best caster for group play but you'd still rather just take a physical dps
>>2939707It's current wiki abilities look pretty solid, a regen line, ds, cure berries, snares, a heal, ac buff, speed buff
>>2939977those are all the druid abilities they are going to lose in their revamp
>>2939981All of them? What do they get in return? Flat B-rate DPS
>pantheon just imploded KEK looks like m&m wins by default
>>2941092>creatively bankrupt studio's gravy train runs out of grease for the wheelsIn other news
>>2941092I wonder how this >>2885484 retard feels
>>2940156we just don't know until revampbm was a shaman hybrid pre revamp like ranger is a druid hybrid and they ended up really wellthough the common concern is that without being a hybrid what's the point of having both ranger and archer classes
>>2941092what happen?
Pantheon had an idea at some point but that idea was to collect money and then develop a game. They didn't have a great plan. Brad didn't have people capable of fingering the pulse of the current market. So his team spent the majority of its pledge money developing a game nobody wanted to play. He didn't care. Someone just paid him to do whatever he wanted for 10 years. It's worse because people just watched SWTOR get developed, it had a pretty massive budget and delivered an extremely cut rate game because the studio's financial backer told them no more delays put something out, and so the people heavily invested in that game felt screwed over. So people were content with letting VR do whatever the fuck they wanted. People REALLY didn't want another SWTOR cut rate mmorpg experience.(and how that turd is still floating don't ask me)Back to VR and Pantheon, Brad had an idea for a game plus a massive budget for scope creep. So he did exactly what he wanted. He obsessed over every detail, forgot to make the game he promised, and realized his first iteration wasn't fun. So they started over.
>>2941255Archer is a ranged DPS, ranger is drizzt do'urden without Guenhwyvar
>>2941256their ceo released everything is fucked letterkeep donating paypigs just one more reboot
If only Pantheon had done one more stat revamp...
>>2941265if only Brad would have taken his nose out of the booger sugar long enough to realize his team managers were incompetent and didn't share his vision ten years ago, he could have saved the project. Nobody stopped to ask "hey is this going to be fun?"All of these game studios chasing the World of Warcraft money who want a little bit of that success Blizzard achieved over the last 20 years. Pantheon was no different. Money > fun game.
>>2941258>>2941295Why even post all this when you know full well where that money went the FIRST time Brad tried to create an independent MMO? He didn't care about the actual game; he wanted the cash to buy Ferraris and skooma. Brad was the 'tard that needed wrangling.
MMORPGs just aren't money generators if you're not Blizzard Entertainment or some random Chinese copycat Gacha game pretending to be a MMORPG. I'm glad we still have indie studios who want to make enjoyable games
>last patch nerfed buff durations from 1h to 35 minsFucking NIGGERSDon't play shaman, druid or enchanter if you value your sanity or better yet don't play the game at all
>>2944608Did they give any reasoning for this?
>>2944621Shawn thinks having to dick with your hotbars twice as often increases socialization or something
>>2944608You just get to cast more, that's all. Maybe they'll nerf the cost 40% too
>>2944608this is pretty stupid, it should increase in duration with a player's level up to 1 hour at the maximum level.
>>2945084you also have to redo your spell bars 100% more often which is the main fucking issue
>>2945256if you cant save your spell layouts that would suck
>>2945305you can't because according to Shawn it's "too gamey" his exact wordsbut somehow doing the spellbar rumba every 30 mins is not "gamey"
>>2945486No that's retarded, who is this fag and why is he in charge of gameplay?You don't have to make this game fully manual to piss off all your players.
>>2945486I have very little hopes for M&M with how much devs love to sniff their own farts.
>>2946307I'll probably hang around until Adrullan releases unless this gets better somehow.
>>2946464ardullan is min 5 years away from any kind of launch
>>29464762-5 yeah. I figured Christmas 2028
Watching shawn's stream makes me long for a TOTAL boomer death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkNPm8BJVi4New trailer
>>2948198i see an eyeball, manastone confirmed?
>>2948198maximum hype. idc if it's unironically shit I'm gonna unironically wallow in it.
How do pvp servers work in this? Is everyone a threat or are the races in factions?
>>2950009Can't imagine it's any different from p99 red
>>2950009Free for all gankfest, absolutely do not play on a pvp server
There's a ask me anything by Savanja on pantheon r*ddit that really gives some good insight on why Pantheon failed so badly like>endless scope creep>way too ambitious mastery system that will never work>Joppa being a stereotypical ideaguy straight out of /vg/>monetization driven developement (lets make a water zone next so we can sell boats :DDDD)>mismanagement of funds>changing target audience from oldschool mmorpg gamers to just "gamers">internal beefs between devs>favoritism for pet guilds (when they still had players)>shut it down moderatingFunny how that cunt is just as vicious to vr as she was to the community after getting fired
Nu neriak is too edgy. Intolerant of anyone but the evilest of the evil. Can't even be quasi-evil. Goblin necromancer? Not evil enough. I'm here for the evil clubEvil evil. That's right I once ate an entire orphanage full of orphans. What? That's a starter quest here?
>>2951016It's all because of their manlet rage, wood elves are a whole head taller now imagine high elves
>>2951030The high elf town is probably going to have actual ivory towers. They're going to refer to everyone else as"the poors"
>>2951036>garden of eden elysium fields with classical architecture and literal ivory towersHome...
>>2950665lol most people on the PvP server don't do shit. It was basically a PvE server outside of a few people, and people lose their fucking minds if you actually so much as attack anyone.
>>2951104The only reason why it was like that is because most people who were there got in by pvp beta lottery, the second they allowed pvp players to go to the pve servers the pvp beta died overnight.
>>2951030dark elves being short is somehow funny
>>2951104to be fair, ffa pvp in a game like this seems absolute nightmarish
>>2951075How do you want me to leave literal paradise to go questing?
>>2951537They are like North Koreans
>>2951603what's a quest?
>>2951620bring me 8 myconid parts. should keep you busy for 5 hours
>>2951656Do these myconids not drop parts? I suppose I should tone down the incinerating fireball spell.
>>2951687I had my friend go in and stab one a few dozen times, apparently the quest givers don't like their myconid parts tenderized either. Normally one myconid would have 8+ myconid parts, and given its size maybe up to 40 myconid parts. You could make a farming party, kill one myconid, and have some skilled ranger divide it up into 8 parts each, and we can all go on our merry merry, but NOOOOThe game's gotta be difficult. It's like that quest where you need bandit heads and not every bandit drops a head. Every bandit comes with a head. Sure does get my jimmies rustled. *Adjusts britches*
>>2951970There's some fucking retarded choices when it comes to quest items.
Is the enchanter's spell multiplier charisma or int? game descriptions kind of contradict itself
>>2953050the devs are intentionally vague about the mechanics so that you will ruin your character and have to remake it
I find them kind of endearing. The elves still look like shit though, before this game is 1.0 they need a complete revamp of deep elves.
>>2953050Int for damaging spells charisma for charm
>>2953145Stats can be capped so what ever shit you do in character creation ultimately only matters while levelingThe traits on the other hand can fuck you up royally once you realize your stat proc trait is dogshit compared to something like magic resistance
>>2953469Is there any chance of them revamping the models after ea launches or will they wipe their hands clean of it?
>>2954092I think the further they get the less likely it gets. From watching the streams they got a pretty good setup for the models but it's still a lot of work to remake one. There could be some touch ups but that's about it. I wouldn't expect anything more.
>can't be deep elf ranger
>>2953851>>2953978man I'm glad I had access to the closed beta, I would have royally fucked up my character several times at launch. I never played eq before so this is all new to me. I've made so many mistakes, including taking the boat to the underdocks and trying to get to the surface
>>2954196I understood it when ranger was a druid hybrid but if they're reworking it then deep elf ranger should work.
>>2954092Animations have improved over time but the models are basically going to stay as they are
>>2954413>You all just want to name your characters Drizzt do'urden I'm wise to your antics. Do you want a 36 hour clicky panther figurine too?
>>2954940I'm bummed that whenever I think of fire+ice weapons (like dual wield), I think of Artemis Entreri. But he's always second to Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia.
>>2954940I just think dark elf with a bow is a cool aesthetic. Deep elves have archer but I'm curious what the new ranger is gonna be. Why couldn't there be deep elf rangers who do their thing in the Deep? The Deep needs ranging as well.
Got around to reading some of the class deep dives and Wizard gets the invoker mechanic to build spells. Really quite cool but I know I'm gonna suck at remembering all of them. Beastmaster seems cool as well. Inquisitor was already of interest to me but it sounds improved. I was planning on starting wizard but I don't even know anymore. Ranger changes might make me even more confused.
>>2956275don't go wizard, they are extremely underpowered and the worst dps in xp groups
>>2956558Isn't Wizard/Necro up next for a revamp after Bard/Chanter?
>>2957227Wizard was one of the first classes that got revamped and the revamp totally failed to address the problem that burst class with pathetic sustain has no no place in a game that's all about marathon grinding for hours
I'm either on deep gnome elementalist or human inquisitor and feeling bad about not being a high elf inquisitor instead. I feel like deep gnome elementalist will be massively overrepresented.
>>2956558>>2958236>These are likely to see continued adjustments in the future as we get more class updates done, so we can ensure that Wizards are the major damage dealers they should be.This was in the deep dive. I would hope they will address the sustain issues before early access goes live but who knows. I will be on the lookout for that and if there's no buffs then maybe I'll do something else first. Thanks for the heads up.
What will be the least played class? I want to be unique
>>2958615archer and inq have been consistently the least played classes in the beta, probably because they are actual oc and not eq classesinq is pretty good tank since you don't absolutely need enchanter at higher levels like other tanks do because you can mezz but they have some mana issuesarcher is solid B tier dps with zero utility so it's pretty meh, no one would turn you down from a group but no one would ask for one either
Lel I wrote and deleted a post saying "probably inq or archer" but then I deleted it because I've really not been paying attention and it was just based on uninformed vibes and not data or even fully knowing what the classes do.Inq seems too narrow to have mass appeal but they're probably real good in the right group.Archer would have to be top dog dps or capable of some cheese no-one else is to get a lot of play because it's got nothing else going for it, really.
>>2958638>>2958645How popular is enchanter? I kind of like the idea of the class but is there too many people playing one that you'd have trouble finding a group?
>>2958848I doubt there will be too many of them. People will believe that they're a necessity but I doubt that many people will actually want to play one. I think it's a class for a very specific kind of player.
>>2923128Same but after being one of the few who got into beta early on and been playing on and off for awhile I can't justify the sub price with how little content the game has.The race I want to play isn't even in yet, deity system is not even in yet, literally there's no starting zones for every race yet and with how slow development is we won't see them all fully implemented & fleshed out for like 4-5 years.I'll think about jumping in when trolls are added and only if they're not as goofy and retarded looking as all the current races which sadly won't happen but I'm trying to keep a glimmer of hope they will look appealing otherwise between aion 2, WoW forever, GTA VI, and GTA VI online (early 2027) my future core games are locked in for the next decade.
>>2939592kind of funny seeing that ex dev loser nick trying to grift and stream WoW forever yesterday and still having barely any viewersCan't sucker 500+ boomers in anymore without having beta keys as a carrot on a stick
>>2958848it's popular but there's never enough of them, every single group wants to have one and starting at lvl 40+ it becomes borderline mandatory if you want to do dungeons
>>2958960reminder about n*ck>>2890957
>>2958960Honestly WoW Forever launch is a good event if one would want to push for a streamer career breakthrough. You need that sort of big game and big launch to have a shot. Of course there's gonna be a crazy amount of competition with bunch of idiots trying to do the same. WoW Classic basically made a bunch of the big current streamers. To clarify I don't think Nick has what it takes to make it as a streamer.
>>2958955>complaining about all that>then going into detail about the different flavors of shit you're going to eatBit of a self-contradiction.
i tried an everquest mmo a long time ago, idk if there’s multiple or just one. i remember being a frog person jumping around and doing a few quests. i played it for a few hours but it was very boring and empty so i uninstalled it and never looked at anything from everquest again. Will this game be the same? It looks very stale from the pictures but i don’t want to judge a beta too hard.I enjoy classic wow, i hate retail wow.I enjoyed runescape and would play it more if it wasnt so clunky.Morrowind was ok but i don’t play it much bc it feels so empty and static, so i return to oblivion a lot because it feels free and open with a living world.I like exploring, crafting, goofing around, and experimenting with builds and character customization. But i have no interest in meta-gaming, story, or loot.Is this game for me, should i try the early access? The beastmaster looked cool bc having a pet is fun, but there’s a lot of other classes i’m not used to seeing.
>>2959144Which is why it's even more hilarious he couldn't break 40 viewers streaming WoW forever when he use to hit 2-3k consistently when he had a bunch of boomers foaming at the mouth for beta key giveaways during his m&M streamsNo one actually likes watching him, they all just wanted keys, which is why it was funny when he tried to stream a few times after he got fired and noticed no one came without the key incentive.
>>2959167Just because you enjoy shit doesn't mean we all do, I have high IQ high tier S tier taste which is why I can afford a ps5 pro and gta VI and you can't.
>>2959189If you don't like grinding then this isn't the game for you.>I like>exploring>crafting>goofing aroundThese it can fulfill.>experimenting with builds>character customizationThese it won't fulfill. Loot is what you use to customize in MnM but every character of the same class will play pretty much the same. There's no WoW-style talent system. Paladin is a paladin. It's a tank class. Every paladin will be a tank. All paladins will be using the same skill set to tank.MnM started as a strict classic EQ clone in terms of mechanics and design and it's been held back by that origin. Only recently the devs decided to rework the classes to not be straight clones from their EQ counterparts. Maybe the game will develop to have an identity of its own but it's too early to say for sure. Things like character building could get more interesting but I won't promise you that they will.
>>2959249>Just because you enjoy shitmeant for >>2958955
>>2958984Can't a bard replace an enchanter?
>>2954196There must have been a shadow update because deep elves can now be rangers
>>2959189You'd probably enjoy FFXI, maybe not M&M
>>2959494No, not even closebard is probably the single worst class in the game right now though rework soon
>>2959501Bard and enchanter are both getting reworks. I know bard sucks eggs right now, the very limited amount of spell lines to twist compared to EQ. But in endgame bards are going to be 10x more in demand than chanters. Raid groups are going to need maybe 1-2 enchanters but several bards will be welcome.
>>2959509not true, raid groups bring excatly zero bards at the moment
Bard needs 1s or instant cast songs, get rid of shouts, limit buffs to a maximum of 4 but keep the 18s timerThat way bard doesn't feel so tedious 100% of the time. Give bars more weapons options so you're not stuck camping the one 1h weapon in the game that counts as an instrument that you can wear in your main hand. Bagpipes in the back slot.
>>2959517Bard songs stack with everything else, why not?
>>2959539because their songs are so weak it's always worth bringing another good dps over themalso the raid size devs aim for is onlt 18 (3 groups so there) will be way more optimization than in early eq where you can just bring as many people to zerg as you want
I have zero hope for the bard revamp because devs already shut down the idea of them getting aoe mezz so they are kinda doomed
damn west bank is a ghost town compared to few weeks ago
>>2959590Any potential tourist from wow was lost
>>2959590>>2959598I think it's just natural as the beta winds down and launch is getting closer. What's the point playing the beta when it's gonna get wiped?WoW tourists were never gonna make it in MnM to begin with.
Boathelp over here trying to help deep elves get out of the caves so they may wreak havoc upon the normie races like man I'm just trying to mine my stone and be a good little slave so one day they might let me cross that bridge without being KOS
>>2960473Unless you have an invs you will still be kos trying to get to the surface lol
>>2960473we don't want you deep elflets on the surface
>>2960660i know, that's the best part!
>>2960473I wish pvp was race or reputation based and not a ffa. Would be fun to actually form surface raids
>>2960849lets murder some moon elves
ew rangers have healing spells?
ail'Vorith feels like a backrooms simulator with a bunch of random guards just standing around protecting empty rooms. The leveling area is great, problem is this area aint even close to being done.
>>2961006Yeah I'm kind of wondering if it is going to be ready for launch. It doesn't have all of the crafting trainers and I don't think the zone has all of the gathering nodes
>>2959590all the boomers most likely on foreverthey basically throw money at everything
>>2960883not for long
>>2960473>>2960638W-wait deep elves are hostile to nightharbor?
>>2961089did you ever play iksar in eq?deep elves are pretty much the same with being kos literally everywhere
>>2961102I knew it was a thing with EQ but I'm not too familiar with it. Didn't realize they were going to do it in this game. What about deep gnomes?
>>2961118deep gnomes can start in underdocks which is part of NH so they are fine
>>2961102deep elves are menzoberranzan from FR, basically th same concept, everyone hates them, ruled by a dark queen, you get no privileges save the air you breathe and the ability to serve. Drizzt had to go around making friends with people who thought he was an evil cunt
Deep elves have one of the best starting zones for leveling though. Just this massive cave, nobody else is going to come in and take your mobs. glow beetle eyes are worth a small fortune to the chef npc, it's like cabilis where they hate everybody else, and where it has the best starting zone in the game except better. The only problem is they dont have shit for npcs, so i cant buy anything for blacksmithing down here. Leather's great, buy tattered leather from the greedy vendor, use a leatherworking kit and scraps, and upgrade it all for like 20 copper. Adds another 1 ac to all your starting noob armor turning tattered into patched.
richard b riddick an eminem class luhmao
>>2961227>glow beetle eyes are worth a small fortune to the chef npc,keep this under wraps before launch
can you feel the magic?
i feel like the dev team spent more time on these tunnels than the cities, they're huge and populated end to end.
>>2961653They unknowingly sail to their death.
I want to make a guild called <The Feisty Shitehole> and the RP tag will be it was a tavern that burned down and that we used to call it the <Sheisty Fighthole> because the booze was always overpriced and everyone was always fighting in it. Think the devs will allow/RP tag/let me turn it into a bar?
Can I "build" my wizard to be different or more specialized than other wizards? I'm a buildcraft-slut.
>>2962054Only building you can do is deciding what to put on hour hotbars
The UI is one of the worst parts of this game. I can draw a better one in MS paint. OK here's your main bar. #1-0 default to here. Ok here's your spell book just above it. Alt-1-0 default to here, it's also in horizontal not that vertical fuck noise. The chat whatever bullshit bar is in the bottom left. It's transparent and stacked. Font size is 12/18/24Chat goes in the bottom one. You need a character icon/health/mana and cast bar. The target has a mirrored one right next to it. Your cast bar is just above the spell icons which are just above the main bar centered at the bottom of the screen. Group bar is on the bottom right of the screen. Buffs are centered at the top. Auras are to the left of the cast bar. The character menu needs larger text and less useless information on the equip screen. These guys played EverQuest and know exactly what I mean. Ezpz.
>>2962310no, it has to be archaic like the good ol days
enchanter deep dive is out https://monstersandmemories.com/class-enchanter-deep-dive
>>2962678>chanter is still the best group class in the game by a fuckhuge margin>chanters are crying they can't be the top dpsx3 with charm anymore
bard also got buffed a lot https://monstersandmemories.com/class-bard-deep-divethey can actually maintain their buffs now
>>2962937they should delete the entire class because everyone who plays it is a faggot
they finally stopped coping that spell research is in the game already, blatant lies btw, and just gave aoe buffs to class trainers
Bard changes are pretty huge, they are now the better buffer while chanter is the better cc while previously chanter was better at everything.charmed mobs damage is nerfed to the point they won't be used in groups thank fucking gods but it's still op for soloing but in a very cheesy reverse charming way
>>2962958Does that mean bards basically get an auto-melody? I won't complain, I promise.
>>2963056except me ofc
>>2963549bards cc capability is pretty dogshit, they can only barely keep 3 targets mezzed while chanter can do pretty much unlimited amount
new faces so far with this patch, there are a few of them. One of these guys is in here reading this thread p sure
Some deep elves can just start in underdocks now, no more murder bridge
>>2963745race traitors
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN MY SUPPORT CLASS CAN'T DO 3 DPSERS WORTH OF DAMAGE ANYMORE!?
Really unfortunate timing for this game first EQL took a ton of the boomers attention away even though its garbo slop, then aion 2, GTA VI, and now WoW forever.I think their EA would have done well with such barebones content if it was still a drought period for mmorpgs but all of these surprise launches fucked them hard.Hopefully they can hold steady until 1.0I originally wanted to play but I rather put my time and money into the other games now so they need to add way more content to get me to sub or hit 1.0 in a year or two (won't happen).
>>2963729That looks a lot better. I hope they keep adding options over time though maybe they'd need to add some option to recustomize the looks for older characters then.
>>2963810If any of us wanted to play there we'd be playing there. I didn't even bother with EQL, Aion 2 is going to be either good or a korean grindgeGTA 6 can fuck off in the hole it was made inWoW forever too. I've given blizzard plenty of my money, and I have zero interest in microslop's newest rendition of everyone's favorite streamer magnet, raidlogging, worldbuffing, poop socking sweaty pvp nerd streaming rank 15 or bust version of the shit I've already played through a comfortable amount of times.
>>2963810eql is already becoming a ghost town
>>2963729i can't take these guys seriously. i'm not looking for an argument but i can't help to giggle every time i see a new image of one of these goofy looking lil niggas
>>2963810>gta>aion>m&mnormalfag not understanding three completely different audiencesdisgusting
tourist in from /v/, is this aiming for P99 tier of balance? I preferred the Luclin through OoW era, mainly because AAs gave classes a lot more class-defining abilities and activity in combat, even people seem to hate how much more raid-focused that era was. I was mostly a shitter and a ranger (I repeat myself) but I liked how versatile bards were, a product of its time and a class that never exist ever again.
>>2963945they look pretty cool with a mustache and beard.
>>2964019it aims to for 99 balance if 99 was actually balanced
>>2964019looks like it, it's pretty much an updated version of everquest if it went the world of warcraft world building route. The tab targeting is a very welcome feature, and looting mobs you've killed isn't a pile of turbo aids. the zones are humongously fuckhuge. i'm taking a boat from underdocks to ail'vorith and you can see just how big these underground zones are. They look just tedious. I love it.
>>2963810I have no interest in wow for the 100th time. Im staying, I never played eq so this is a whole new experience for me
>>2963968I'm a high functioning autistic stay at home mom and I like all 3.
>>2963898>Aion 2 is going to be either good or a korean grindgeIt's not even a good grindge. It's a visually pretty game with totally awful irredeemable gameplay. I'm probably playing M&M until WoW Forever and then dropping the sub because having two subs running is too much and I won't be able to split myself between two games anyway. We'll see how long WoW Forever lasts. It won't be Forever.
>>2964078You can easily tell when someone never played aion 2 and they just regurgitate the fake outrage spreading on reddit.
>>2961227the sell price for better eyes have been halved. nice going fag
>>2964106But I did play it during the playtest. Absolute shit tier game. It's mechanically like a mobile game on PC but with very high visual fidelity.
I'm another tourist who's never played an EverQuest game. I've played a bit of classic WoW (both the rerelease and when it was new), Guild Wars and FFXIV, but that's my only other mmo experience.I think I'll enjoy the eq-style gameplay and world design from what I've read about it, and some of the art direction and character design I'm seeing (while obviously a little rough and janky for now) is pretty cool.I wasn't aware that PvP servers were a free-for-all, though. I reserved my spot on one since I just assumed it was some kind of faction, race or religion-based PvP.
>>2964119Oh wow you played for 10 minutes and your computer couldn't run it.Get a job
>>2964132Cope and seethe. It's a shit game.
>>2964117I seriously doubt that was my fault lol
>>2964136take a irl picture of your tower case with timestamp or you're larping, boomer boi.
>>2964143Keep coping and seething retard.
>>2964154>no irl picture or timestampThat's what I thought, poser.
>>2964165You post your poorfag pc with a timestamp and I'll post mine to humiliate you further.
>>2964170I asked first post, i'll gladly most mine if you stop being scared and lying.
>>2964182Post it. I have no reason to lie and you are just mad.
>>2964188Uh huh poor boomer poser, keep saying it and I'm sure your wish will come true.
>>2964196>poorfag mad he called someone else poorfag and got btfoThe only way you're recovering from this is by posting proof you are not a poorfag.
can you fuck off with your gookshit "please"
>>2964201nice gaslighting mr boomer poster keep avoiding the original request
>>2964242It's real easy. If you wanna see mine you gotta show yours first.
>>2964078>until Wlol
>>2964253>boomer poser cucks out after lyingmany such cases, I win.
>>2964267Keep coping and seething poorfag.
these two niggers are inches away from starting to duel with soijacks
>>2964276>>2964267you guys should rent a room and FUCK
>>2964310>>2964276I'm allergic to poor ugly boomer losers like him
>>2962247I'm cool with that too, that is how GW1 worked. So there are more skills than hotbar skill slots?
>>2964426No, not really. If you want to customise your class this is not your game.
>>2964426Yes but no, at most you swap hotbars to buff
Spent over an hour running around in AV looking for the next step in my class quest. I don't think the NPC is in game yet. Would be really nice if they just had some kind of reference list of shit they haven't implemented yet CLR/PLD class quest The lack of anything working in AV is really grating. There's a forge and a smithing NPC but nobody sells recipes or consumables. So my monk is stuck in patched rawhide. They made it as hard as possible to get out of there. The white boat is now pitch black and good luck getting on it. I tried jumping from another bridge and died. I shouldn't be dying on monk with safe fall from that height. That was a really annoying CR. I get that they want to keep people in AV but what are people going to try and do when literally nothing fucking works but leave? So why not break the boat jump even more? Add some sharks to the waters. I tried playing a bunch of classes over the past 3 days. I ended up hating BM, I ended up loving ranger, I ended up really loving dwarf cleric and I think I'm going to main dwarf cleric. Fuck monk. This has been my turd talk.
>>2965468the quest design and writing is absolute garboIt's sad when a game from 1999 designed quests far better than people in 2026.
>>2965489Yeah but EverQuest was orders of magnitude more difficult an undertaking. M&m has the complexity of a private server being run on a new game engine by a bunch of unpaid volunteers hoping it was worth everyone's time in the end. The world building looks great, the character models and quests look like the unfinished end of the horse in that meme.
>anon calls someone poor>gets proven wrong>anon shits himself and throws a tantrum like the manchild he islmao>>2964426you can swap out the skills and it only takes a moment so it is not anything like gw1 in that sensewhat you pick on your bar doesn't change a lot though some classes might have situational abilities that would get used depending on where they are camping or what the party comp is or if they are soloing so in those situations they might choose to slot those in>>2965468>I ended up loving rangerit is getting reworked
can someone explain something to me? Ail'Vorith has a church of the Matswar but Deep Elves can't worship the Matswar. The Matswar just isn't an option for any Deep Elf race/class combo.
>>2965632What's ranger niche going to be? In EQ they were the melee spellcaster and sometimes archer, but I assume spellblade is now the melee spellcaster niche and of course archer exists. What's left?I guess around OOW era they also started getting secondary melee buffs with ATK, accuracy and crit.(Also kind of feel like some classes need more niche application of support spells. Like in LDON necromancers got the ability to drain mana from enemies and give it to the party or they had CC for undead. So enchanters would still be the "best" all-around support/CC but if you were farming undead you could use a necromancer instead.)
>>2965748DD+utility instead of a pure DD. I'm hoping to see some ranger unique equipment like Dark Cloak of the Sky from EQ or some kind of clicky like that that makes them top tier melee dps
>>2965748dunno what they will actually do with the rangercan't be bow class because that's archercan't be bow+melee skirmisher because boomers can't handle double digit apmcan't be half assed support because no one will want you like what happened with pre revamp bard
>>2965748It's going to be the ez mode class
>>2965823might have just said>class that nobody wants in their group
>>2965827if I'm making a PUG I'll take whoever shows up, I'll gladly have a ranger.
Classes in order of "awwe hell yeah" they are:ElementalistShamallamadingdongWhoa someone's actually willing to play a bard?!Goblin RogueDwarf Fighter/Paladin, especially if you got a big ass beard. Oh hey it's a chanter!Whoa sweet, a rangerWTF is an inquisitor? and what does it do?Chunky MunkNon-chunky munkThis cleric came and said he wants to kick some skeleton assA druid? sure why the hell notA smelly ass BeastmasterAn archer? bring it, we got roomA neck romancer?! A Weezarddd?! A shadow knigg iht?! Sure why not
Class revamp tier list by people who know what they are doing, not to be confused with class power tiers as these are strictly judging the revamps>massively buffed tierBard, bestmaster, paladin, spellblade>buffed tierInquisitor, cleric, druid, monk>remained about the same powerwisewarrior, rogue, archer, elementalist>slight nerf to op classesEnchanter, shaman>oh fug :DDDWizard>still to be revampedNecromancer, shadowknight, ranger
>>2965632>blind tranny boomer can't readmany such cases
>>2963729does their headlight eyes still stay on after death?
>>2966441back to >>>/v/
>>2963945I like the goofiness and the glow in the dark eyes.>>2964019I can't say about the balance but I think they intend to cater more to groups than raids. >>2964081What happend to her eyes?>>2965888>>still to be revamped>Necromancer, shadowknight, rangerCurious to see how these are gonna change and I wonder if it's gonna make it for early access.
>>2965888None of this really matters if you aren't building an optimized exp/h farm group. META builds kinda just fail when any tank can tank and any healer can heal and all you need is a CC and reasonable sustain so your healer isn't spending all of his time meditating. So you got a shaman and an elementalist and either a bard or a chanter and your group is Gucci with whatever tank and other DPS you can find. They all work fine.
>>2967088Compared to elementalist, necromancer feels like the red headed stepchild class. That flimsy ass skellington vs the big beefy ass dual wielding water pet.
>>2967221A small team like this will always have some developer class favorites. The game has oddly many pet classes as well. Makes me wonder if they have something in mind to differentiate necro from ele. They have their class theming but if you think about it both have the pet caster archetype.
>>2967237Necro pet durability is about the same as EverQuest. It's just annoying having to resummon your pet and run oom fighting a mob your level because fear eats up 20% of your mana.
>>2967221necro is much better soloer though
>>2967237too many pet classes are the legacy of n*ck who was obsessed with giving them out like candy and was about to give even cleric one before he got shitcannedthankfully shaman, druid, paladin and sk lost their pets so we only have 3 real pet classes and one pseud which is not too bad out of 18
BOOBA
>they had to split NH to two zonesIt's fucking chudver, unity couldn't handle the greatest mmorpg city ever made
>>2967382lmao
If they get rid of mana feed sluttery I'll roll necro. Miss me with my sigma class being bitch to others like in eq
>>2967221They're just copying EQ like everything else in this uninspired heap.
>>2967088That's one of the dark deep gnomes.
>>2967324I didn't realize SK lost the pet. 3+1 is actually fine. >>2967382More like dev skill issue. The game has no business running as poorly as it does and Unity games running poorly are pretty much fault of the dev. I would love to take a peek inside to see what stupid shit they are doing.
The only thing I really hate about M&M right now is we have no half elf love. I bet somewhere there's a bunch of humans who made plenty whoopie with some wood elf sluts off in the woods somewhere.
>>2967791>who made plenty whoopiewhat the fuck why is some time traveler from the 80s posting about an everquest clone?
>>2967816This is not an EverQuest clone. EverQuest done in this style would have been awesome. Verant/Sony/DayBreak were too comfortable counting their money to ever give fans what they wanted. Instead let's milk a 25+ year old game so hard it would make Capcom and square enix blush.
>>2880551>Paying $15 a month for a mmo with ugly aesthetics, MUD commands to interact with NPCs and intentionally obtuse controls and UI
>>2967831you were supposed to laugh at my joke
>>2967853I will continue to support this project until the day they sell out and daybreak buys it.
>>2931883That's horrid, I have no problem with low poly games, but a bad artstyle is irredeemable.
>>2967860I just got to thinking about how wood elves look like time traveling hippies who live in a van and smoke Mexican brick weed.
>>2931883someone finally made a class for manly tears
>>2967861You will be throwing your money at a MMO that will be all but dead months after release, it will be entirely populated by a few high level players and become completely unplayable by new players.Anyone that thinks this shit has a future has 0 foresight.
>>2967866>mexican brick weedPlease stop using words and phrases that never get mentioned yet I understand immediatelywhat even, are you wired into my head?
>>2967853based high IQ savant
>>2967853>>2967881embarrassing samefaggotry
>>2967882must suck to get owned
>>2967881What does you being new to 4chan have to do with multiplayer video games?
>>2967871I'm curious to see how many of these roughly 15k people or so end up subscribing. On a second note, they have some kind of shop going live in about an hour. I'm going to buy a T-shirt. I hope it says "I was dumb enough to support this server in EA and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" and I'll wear it proudly.
>>2967791I would have loved to make a half elf druid like I had in p99the amount of time people seethed at me for not being LE OPTIMAL was so fucking bizarre in a 30 year old game with zero mechanics
>>2967897I want a half elf fighter, I just love the aesthetic.
>>2967889What? are you seriously bragging about being a more senior user of a website?good lord
>>2967892The churn is pretty bad a lot of people end up burnt out by level 30's and this was before they increased exp required to level, buffed mob ac/hp, and neutered every class.
>>2967899Yeah but EQ character models and art style is 100000x better than this garbage heap.They would end up looking like anorexic mutants in this game.
>>2967905What does you being new to 4chan have to do with multiplayer video games?
>>2967914Silence ESL
>>2967909>The churn is pretty bad a lot of people end up burnt out by level 30No wonder, non-stop mob grinding gets old fast.
>>2967926>more newfag buzzwordssasuga>>>/v/
>>2967882Get assblasted
>>2967932>He's never seen ESL dropped on 4chanYou're the new one around here, Grandpa.
>>2967938Why do you keep making such a big deal about being new to 4chan.org instead of discussing video games?
>>2967931It works in FFXI because you got so much other shit to do but what you gonna do in MnM once you feel like you've grinded enough for the day?
>same guy malding at the same time as yesterday what did we do to deserve this guy in our thread?
>>2967939>"Why aren't you discussing video games?">Doesn't discuss video gamesCurious
>>2967951Hey, I only started posting a hour ago, now we are two guys shitting on your thread
>WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST BUFF ALL THE OTHER 17 CLASSES INSTEAD OF NERFING CHARM?
>>2967965Did they finally nerf enchanter charm? it's a miracle!
>>2967965dudu catching strays here, with their dots being gutted in their own revamp and now charm being nerfed they aren't so hot anymoreSure they never die while outdoors but there's very little difference between kiting a mob for 10 minutes and bursting a mob down and regening for 10 minutesNecro stonks absolutely mooning right now
>>2967952You came here to shitpost without contributing to the thread's on-topic conversation then got upset when anybody challenged you. I hope you work your problems out before you get yourself hurt in real life, lil 'gup.
>let's make a game with a soul crushing grind because the game we're copying had one 30 years ago when no one knew better and the idea of playing and socializing with thousands of people from around the world was novel and interesting enough to keep people paying the subscription feeThis game is doomed. No way they maintain enough subs to keep the lights on. They won't even be able to maintain P99 numbers because they're missing the key nostalgia piece. If they just made leveling take some effort without going full 1999 retard and implemented some system that rewarded rolling alts they might have had a chance.
>>2968041>without contributing to the thread's on-topic conversation I pointed out why this game is shit, which is on topic, then you came along and instead of staying on topic, you replied about some weirdo 4chan unc status.Take your own advice faggot.
