Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows Z-A is set in the past, but when, exactly? Arceus seems to be set around 1888, given Team Galactic members talk about their work on the Galaxy Hall, based on the iconic former goverment office of Hokkaido, the Red Brick Office. This would also fit nicely with Z-A if we see the Prism Tower as the likely final goal of Lumiose City's restoration, since it's based on Paris' Eiffel Tower, completed in 1889.However, there's another point in the timeline where Japan and France's history could meet. The Red Brick Office suffered a big restoration after a fire and wouldn't be recompleted until 1911, and only 16 years later, the famous Haussmann's restoration plans for Paris would truly come to an end in 1927. If we consider Poké Balls were said to be created after 1925 in the old Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia, both Arceus and Z-A could fit perfectly in 1926-1927, just noting that in this case, Team Galactic's work on the Galaxy Hall would be a 14-year-old restoration work, not something new they built just a few years ago.Still, we have to consider not all material in the Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia is still canon nowadays, and that Z-A and Arceus could take place in different eras, really (ie Arceus could occur in 1888 and Z-A in 1927).What do you think?
>>55751476I think the game in question that will have all the necesary info will come out in about a year and discussion will only be worthwile then.
>>55751476Z-A will be either in the present or the future only retards believe it will be in the past.
>>55751476> Arceus seems to be set around 1888How is that possible if pokeballs were first created in 1925?
>>55751476>[speculation about a children's game]Anyway do you guys think Kalos will become soulful?
>>55751494Read the part where op says that date isn't necessarily canon again, anon
>>55751488>pic related>present of the futurekek found the inbreed retard
>>55751525So every historical building was demolished and replace by a skyscrapper nowdays? I must have seen outdated television and internet all my life.
>>55751476Yeah Its during the Haussmann's renovation of Paris 1850 -1870, it fits so well with the setting of the game.
What if there just won't be pokeballs in the game?
Z-A is etiher in the previous decade before XY or in the next decade.The trailer show the City fully completed, inhabited and with skyscrapers (at least 7F which is tall in pokemon world) and an obvious battle Tower almost as big as the central one. Plus the people in the trailer are using modern clothes and mannerismsYou must be really dumb to think this is anytime over 2 decade ago.
>>55751562The trailer shows a trainer trowing one.>>55751555It can borrow that thematic and still be in modern times.
>>55751525>>present of the futureSmartest ESL retard
>>55751484>the less room of speculation the more worthwile it isNo?
>>55751533It can't be a historical building (by the time the game takes place) because you are the one building it you fucking retard
>>55751573Yes. In most fanbases official info is valued more than unofficial one. Its only the reverse in pokemon's.What this will amount to is energy spent discussing shit that wont go anywhere and more energy spent on criticizing GF on having bad worldbuilding because they didn't listen to your headcanon.But go ahead if you like being mad.
>>55751555The renovation of paris lasted until 1927. Only the official employment of Huassman himself ended in 1870
>>55751476Lumiose design is different from XY, so it's in the future. Sorry.
>>55751576Who said that mf? Are you (the player) building the humans too?
>>55751576> You are building itRewatch the trailer retard. It says renovation not founding the city.
>>55751590>design is different First of all, how?Second, you know Paris didn't look exactly the same in the 30s than it does today right?
>>55751476>Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows Z-A is set in the past, but when, exactly?Probably about -(-10) years in the past from XY.So, roughly 2023-2024.
>>55751593>renovation of a city doesn't imply new buildingsFucking retard
>>55751596>First of all, how?Canal in Lumiose (as we previously have known it) is meant to go through the entire city.The new design in PLZ-A relocates the canal between Magenta and Rouge Plazas and it no longer bisects the entire diameter of the city.>Second, you know Paris didn't look exactly the same in the 30s than it does today right?Right, I'm sure the wear and tear of a couple of decades would completely move one of the biggest structural components that make up the city's identity.Pastfags are the new "Z-Moves/Dynamax in Sinnoh" fags because they couldn't complain about megas returning anymore.
>>55751609Ah yes, the city is more detailed than before and is allowed to have more parisian landmarks, truly it must be another era.
>>55751617Having more landmarks is a given. Completely restructuring existing ones proves that we're not just making an unabstracted version from XY.
>>55751476>below room temperature IQ anon appearedAnyway. Drayden's childhood, which should be in like... the 40s, didn't have pokeball, so it would be fucking weird if they had them in 1888 Hisui.No way it took over 50 years for America to sell them so my bet is on 1926 for LA and LZA
>>55751476It's in the future for the simple fact that eternal flowers are in bloom paralleling the silent princess in botw
>>55751621Missed by a century,. It's more like to be 2026.
>>55751555Fucking This
>>55751476>Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows Z-A is set in the past, bait
>>55751620>>55751609>>55751617Look again, the canal is still there, exactly as before. The orientation of the map is different, but it's the same.
>>55751632Yeah it's about that distant kalosian legend from 2026
>>55751626>eternal flowersWhat?
>>55751654Clearly. There's nothing implying Z-A is in the past. NOTHING. Well, except for the trailer showing up an old film reel.But old films aside? NOTHING. Well, except for the name "legends" implying a tale lost in time in the present.But old films and legends aside? NOTHING. Well, except for the Lumiose redevelopment plan fitting the famous Haussman renovation of Paris around the same time as Legends Arceus takes place.But old films, legends and historical matching aside, there's NOTHING AT ALL implying Z-A takes place in the past. I mean, look at this, isn't obvious the average Lumiose building is pretty modern? I wish my favela looked like this.
>>55751707>showing up an old film reelWhich leads to a futuristic wireframe.>Well, except for the name "legends" implying a tale lost in timeNot at all what “legends” implies.> Well, except for the Lumiose redevelopment plan fitting the famous Haussman renovationCompletely irrelevant since this the Pokemon world and not the real workd, and what they’re redeveloping Lumiose City into doesn’t at resemble what Lumiose City was like in XYget a better argument
>>55751717>Completely irrelevant since this the Pokemon world and not the real workdJust as the historical colonization of Hokkaido has nothing to do with Legends: Arceus, right?
>>55751476>Arceus seems to be set around 1888, given Team Galactic members talk about their work on the Galaxy Hall, based on the iconic former goverment office of Hokkaido, the Red Brick Office.You're off by a decade.1869 is the rough year PLA is set in. It's basically the pokemon version of the Republic of Ezo.
Kinda unrelated but I still don't get why people hated Lumiose, it always was one of my favourite parts of the game. The music is pretty, having the professor's lab in a city was a nice chance after 5 gens with towns (also Sycamore's theme is god tier, but that's another thing) and the idea of exploring a city that actually dwarfs you in Pokemon was great (Mesagoza kinda gets it too, Wyndon tried but it's sadly three hallways), also the movement was fun and satisfying because we had rollerskaters, such a small but nice feature I don't know why we have never gotten it back, as well as the bike (iirc) and we could even mount Gogoat or call a taxi if you felt extra lazy and just wanted to pick a location and teleport instantly.I know people complained over getting lost, but honeslty I don't get how you could possibly have that problem, all the relevant landmarks to the plot are in places where at best you will be running a straight line for a few seconds to get if you don't locate it mentally, the plazas are one right next to other for easy reference, and going into an avenue to ""lose"" yourself shopping was literally the point of the parisian experience, I miss going to buy a stone, then get some juice and since I'm around take a tour for the boutique and see what new clothes I can afford.Idk, maybe I'm the weird one, but Lumiose made me felt part of the Kalos region in the pokémon world, so I'm glad we are getting a game dedicated to expand that.
>>55751717>futuristic wireframeIt's literally a grid, you just think it's futuristic because they put lights that make contrast for you, kek>"legends" doesn't imply a past eventKEK>the pokemon world isn't based on the real world nowMEGA-KEK
>>55751729This game isn’t Legends Arceus. How is this relevant at all?>>55751751>It's literally a gridThat looks futuristic, yes.>KEKIt will be a past event once you finish the events of the game.> MEGA-KEKBased on != is
>>55751621Gotta remember that unlike basically every other region, Unova is extremely disjointed and removed from the RL area it is based on.It would be interesting if, like Volo, people in the Americas didn't adopt pokeballs when they were invented because they're not trainers but wielders.That could explain this inconsistency... But in all honesty, PLA establishes that pokeballs exist only from 1869 onwards.Pic related shows us that if we assume 1998 is the time of RGBY, BW is only ~2002 or so.1996 is more likely of a start, so that would still put BW on the 2000ish date.If Drayden is 80, he would have been born in the 20s, which is still a shit ton of time for them to not have gotten pokeballs...But slightly better than if he was younger than 80.
>>55751739>1869The most iconic and emblematic (manmade) landmark of the whole Hokkaido region is the goverment office and it wasn't completed (as the "red brick office") until 1888. You are off by a chromosome if you think GF would set their Hokkaido game just a decade before that landmark, which is also your headquarters, was a thing.
>>55751476>Lumiose City DEVELOPMENT plan>"AAAAIIEEEEEE">"AAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE">"AAAAAIIIIEE-ACK!"
>LEGENDS ARCEUS DID THING SO Z-A HAS TO DO THING TOO!I wonder if patternfags will ever kill themselves after being humiliated so many times
>>55751756>yes, the grid looks futuristic because you see it with lightsConcession accepted.>w-well it counts as a legend because it will be set in the past in future games!I guess all Pokemon games are legends titles then>no no this "legend" about the renovation of a city based on Paris is completely unrelated to the renovation of Paris which conveniently matches in time with this other game also of the "legends" subseriesLast (You). See me in my office later.
How do future fags even exist? Is this an advanced form of hyper contrarian autism or are they trolling?
Fashion styles are a bit all over the place, I kept getting thrown off because Cogita looks very 1900-10 but Laventon's shirt style with the white collar + colour is more 20s (and I heard his camera model is too), Cogita being a bit out of date would make sense though. I feel like ZA has to stay around the same area as PLA if they're going to resolve the submas plot but that's just my autistic line of theory based on the idea that they both went into a portal at the same time but ended up in different regions. You'd have to age up PLA characters even further if ZA is too much later. But if time travel is involved then anything can happen I guess, and they're probably not strictly conforming to real life history dates.I'm also probably stupid for putting too much stock in clothing styles in the game where there's clearly a ton of artistic license involved, especially with stuff like the kimono designs (e.g Kamado's kimono design basically being a male version of women's formal kurotomesode, it's safe to say fashion rules don't map 1-1 to real life in Pokemon)
>>55751785I want Alphas back.
>>55751790> See me in my office later.You give off the vibes of a miserable high-school teacher who gets outsmarted by 12yos regularly.
>>55751794>PLA logo>Traditional, hand-drawn and brush-stroke style>PLZ-A logo>Sleek, modern. Even the sounds on the animation of the logo sound like a spaceship way beyond the capacities of present-day architecture.It's not a stretch.
>>55751579Nice redditspacing and projection but I'm very calm when I ask you since when were you under the impression people don't like to speculate before being spoonfeed with information
>>55751794You will never now. Remember the generic hawaian girl? We are surrounded by idiots.
>>55751758>PLA establishes that pokeballs exist only from 1869 onwards*1925 onwards
>>55751818lmao the Z is based on Zygarde and the A is clearly the Ultimate weapon, which is purposelly modern looking despite being 3000 year old. Arceus had the brush stroke because it's traditional japanese, it still wasn't the edo period or anything like that
>>55751851ftfy
>>55751886but the trailer doesnt mention wild pokemon at all it just says pokemon
>>55751785Legends is not mainline game
>>55751794Trolling to the third degree and when they're proven wrong they'll back pedal.
>55751906back to discord
>>55751579>stop having fun
>>55751886Holy shit you can't be this dumb
>>55752007>no wild pokemon
>>55752007>Gogoat is just the public trasport >Every single pokemon is partnered with a trainer So aside from fletchling where are all the other wild pokemon?
>>55751476I think that I'm looking forward to the end of this retarded shitflinging fest. Seriously, why do people draw lines in the sand over every little thing?
>>55752041I live by proving everyone but me is fucking wrong
>>55752026>>55752032>making shit upAhem>"A new adventure awaits within Lumiose City, where an urban redevelopment plan is under way to shape the city into a place that belongs to both people and Pokémon. Please look forward to seeing it for yourself."No mention of wild pokemon. Also not every single pokemon is partnered with a trainer. Same about other illustrations or the ingame city, but who cares honestly, the city being adapted to wild pokemon is literally something you pulled out your ass.
>>55752081>No mention of wild pokemonWatch the trailer, pastard.
>>55752081The skiddos in lumiose city are not wild pokemon.
>>55751476>Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows Z-A is set in the pastyou're really setting yourself up to be btfoed
>>55752091Play XY, bastard. Wild pokemon can be found in Luminalia, and making the city for them isn't even your goal.>b-b-but there are MORE wild pokemon in the trailer!Wow it's almost like the city will be bigger and better depicted in the drastically superior new software uh??
>>55752105>"the skiddo aren't wild pokemon">says as it proves they are wild pokemon (literally abandoned by their former trainer)Round of applause for this guy, please.
>>55752108> Play XY, bastard. Wild pokemon can be found in LuminaliaA fletchling flying around the city != wild pokemon integrated into the city like in the trailer> Wow it's almost like the city will be bigger Yes, because the plot of the game is to expand it so Pokemon can live in it. Glad you agree.
there will only be one cityone soundtrack will play throughout the entire gamethe game will focus exclusively on city buildingno battlesno wild monsvisuals are somehow worse than legends arceus$70preorder bonus mega charizard and mega mewtwo themed outfits
>>55752113>"the skiddo aren't wild pokemon"Correct anon there are no wild skiddos in lumiose city, only abandoned skiddos
>>55751851Futuresissies, our response? The wild pokemon cope is already running out of gas!
I can’t wait for the first trailer for this game to come out so all the pastfaggots will suddenly slink away and pretend they didn’t spend months acting like retards
>>55752117>there's only one Fletchlingpokemon because I said the others don't count, how is that???Funny. And yeah the plot is making it a place that despite being a big metropolis it can still have pokemon, like in XY, glad we agree, bro.
>>55752141Lumiose City in XY isn’t suited for wild Pokemon. That’s what the plot of Z-A is for.
>correct they aren't pokemon without a trainer just pokemon without a trainer
Obviously the game takes place in the past. The end of the game will show a booming population of like 3-5 wild Fletchling and Skiddo proving that you completed your mission.
>>55752139Can't run out of gas if they keep recycling it all the time, notice how he went back to the wild pokemon cope despite seeing the official statement only says "a place for human and pokemon"
>Lumiose city has so many wild pokemon bro >Literally just few birds and two random goats still waiting for their trainer
>>55752148The Pokemon have a trainer. The trainer just abandoned them.
>Are those... GLOWING BLUE GRID LINES!? OH MY SCIENCE THE HECKIN FUTURE IS HERE! YES YES YES IT HAS TO BE!
>>55752152and Sinnoh will have Z Mo- I mean Dynamax.
>>55752157Just like you still have legal tutors after they abandoned you? Oh wait no, you have nothing, just like those Skiddos, just like anime/Yellow/LGPE Charmander, just like every wild pokemon
>>55752166Yes, this is how normal people react by comprehending the information in the trailer, as opposed to pastards who do nothing but patternfaggotry.
>the wireframe makes it the future!>no, the water canal is different!>legends can come from stuff that hasn't happened yet!>ignore the perfect historical setting!>don't base this Legends game on that Legends game!>all the city pokemon must be wild!Oh, le copé
>>55751835> since when were you under the impression people don't like to speculateI never said that. Learn to read.I said its retarded.
>>55752171Why do you keep talking about your own old delusions, kid? Does it make you happy to project them on me because you have nothing to say about the current topic? Well, go ahead then, as long it puts a smile in your face.>>55752191kek
>>55751965You don't seem to have much fun when you start shitting on GF for not doing the exact thing you wanted.
>>55752191>said the increasingly nervous patternfag, before losing for the 126th time
>>55752066So not by enjoying time with friends or family? The only way you thrive is to win internet arguments about a monster catching franchise on a Nepalese basket weaving forum which is constantly beset by Kremlin propagandists?Ngl, sounds pretty fulfilling, all the other shit takes so much energy to maintain. You do you, anon.
>>55752191They have to be trolling. These are the new imaginationfags, but atleast there was some non retarded reasons behind that theory.
>game has some pokemon on the city>artwork isn't limited by 3DS hardware but by size, so depicts even more pokemon in the city>new game is fully 3D and has the entire city, so trailer depicts even more pokemon in the cityClearly this is non-sense and the only logical conclusion is that XY happens, then the official art and then Legends ZA, in that order.
>>55752191Nice strawmen>>55751669Sorry to say your scenario still doesn't work because there'd be no exit to the lumiose badlands, showing this new version of lumiose no longer has a need for an external power plant as it's all been contained entirely within the city.
>>55752221>B-BUH THE HARDWAREnothing in the game implies wild pokemon live in lumiose city regardless
>>55752191>legends can come from stuff that hasn't happened yet!Yeah and?
op irreparably btfo
>>55752235You're not playing with a full deck>>55751669
>>55752245You didn't answer the question. Where's the exit to Route 13 hmm?
Alright this is cool and all but how does a gemplay that only takes place in one big city would even be like?
This retard >>55752225 is so dumb he gave more proof for the past without even noticing. Hey retard, that route is for transit too, not only for the power plant. The fact Lumiose has LESS gates than in XY just supports the idea this is set before that game.Do you really think that if a fabric or factory placed between two cities is shut down the whole route connecting them is also closed? That's like saying Kanto's route 10 should have been closed down too because their power plant isn't operative
>>55752260Wow anon you're so cool and smart. There will totally be a part of the game where they're like "oh shit we forgot to make an exit for this place let's just move all the power stuff out later"
>>55752260>The fact Lumiose has LESS gates than in XYso you agree the design of the city is fundamentally different from how it is in xy
>>55752271I agree ZA doesn't have a gate that will exist by the time XY happens. If that makes the city 'fundamentally different' and somehow in the future in your insane head then sure we completely agree on everything
>>55752281cool. keep seething anon i'll see you soon. kisses.
>>55752269Doesn't have to, just like we don't need a mission where we build Lumiose station. But if it exist in XY, but not in ZA and there's no reason for the city to get rid of it then the logical conclusion is that it wasn't build back then, so XY takes place laterUnless you have some juicy info explaining why Lumiose would absolutely close the route that connects it to Coumarine city just because they no longer need a power plant (which is also headcanon too)
>>55752312Do you have any last words before route 13 gets cannibalized in the expansion?
>>55752312>Unless you have some juicy info explaining why Lumiose would absolutely close the routeYeah because that's never happened befo-oh
>>55752300Holy fuck what a faggot, imagine posting like this.
>>55752225>>55752269>no you see, Lumiose's connections to this neighbor city is worse, it has to be the future!
>>55752321>supporting me with a sample of routes not being connected for actual reasonsThe game outright explains why this happened. That's exactly why I asked if you have information as to why route 15 is no longer connected to Lumiose, because it doesn't matter what game or official source I pick up, Kalos route 15 disappearing in the future is only your headcanon so far.I ask again, why is the route no longer connected?? Tell us
>>55752326>>55752338Right, because there has always needed to be explicit conversations about one of a region's routes being suddenly inaccessible.
>>55752338*route 13
>>55752342Timeskip Kanto was scaled down retard, just look at the viridian forest>inb4 then stuff can change in ZA!Scaled downZA is XY scaled UP so if anything it should have more, no less.
>>55752225>strawmenAll those are copes from this thread alone, you can re read it yourself, they all are here, yours included
>>55752348>ZA is XY scaled UP so if anything it should have more, no less.Yes, we all know that the Kalos we see in XY is abstracted compared to elements that will be assumed to have always been there in Z-A. This isn't any different from Hisui to Sinnoh either.None of that explains your past headcanon when all other hard evidence against it suggests otherwise. Why is the city fundamentally different in the RECONSTRUCTION plans? It doesn't tip you off that there is never any supposed reconstruction of Lumiose in XY referencing the same event?
If my hunch is right, A-Z would be set a centurie ago from X/Y considering that the trailer has callbacks to Haussman's Renovation of Paris up to the start of the Belle Epoque Era.So maybe around 1848 up to the 1870s.
>>55752358>Yes, we all know that the Kalos we see in XY is [FANFIC]
>>55752342Funny because while there are some massive remodelations the league is still in the same place, connected to route 22 west of Viridian CityMeanwhile you are saying the entire route that connects two cities is gone lol
>>55752358What is fundamentally different? No, not having a fifth gate (yet) in the border of the city doesn't make the whole thing fundamentally different
>>55752358There's flat out an entire forest in Vert Plaza in the Z-A map that didn't even remotely exist in XY. It's more than just >i-it's abstracted bro
>>55752382>Funny because while there are some massive remodelations the league is still in the same placeYes, everything in Kalos is in the same place. But Route 13 is gonezo according to the map.
>>55752399Not that anon but you probably meant to respond to >>55752393Or you're retarded and don't know what abstraction is. Of course Z-A is going to partly represent elements that weren't remotely in XY, but the schematic of Lumiose includes new things in addition to that.
>>55752409The lack of a gate to access route 13 from Lumiose doesn't mean the route doesn't exist, it could exist, just not connected to Lumiose, but any case the issue is the same, if it's not there in the legend, but is in the present then that means it wasn't built back then (either the route or just the gate)no reason to force a headcanon about some disaster happening to the route in the future
>>55752418>no reason to force a headcanon about some disaster happening to the route in the future>that means it wasn't built back then (either the route or just the gate)Ironic
>>55752416> Not that anon but you probably meant to respond toNo, I meant to respond to your retarded post.> Of course Z-A is going to partly represent elements that weren't remotely in XYYes, because it’s a sequel with a premise of expanding out Lumiose City to let Pokemon live in it. Which would be why there wasn’t a forest in XY what a forest in Z-A. If Game Freak wanted to portray there being a forest in XY they would have done it in XY.
>>55752399The galactic hall didn't exist in DP either, retardThey are just adding stuff that couldn't have possibly being even considered in the old games precisely because abstraction
>they don’t know it’s set in the past AND the future
>>55752429>it's headcanon that if a manmade thing isn't present in a "legend" but appears in the present time, then it was something created between these two points of timeHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>55752432>>55752433Do neither of you understand what abstraction is
im still not playing xy
For all intents and purposes, can we just admit that maybe the reason why Lumiose City in AZ is different from XY is because XY was a product of its time when the 3DS's hardware can't fully render environments like in SwSh and ScarViolet?
>>55752441I don’t think you know what an abstraction is.
>>55752440>>55752429Guys I'm pretty sure the subway didn't exist when Romulus and Remus founded Rome but I'm sure there's one there now... I think it was build AFTER the legend but before now but I'm not sure this is just my headcanon
>>55752445Nothing about XY’s hardware prevented them from putting forests or wild Pokemon in Lumiose City.
>>55752445We all understand that but some retards like to use it as excuse to keep being retarded>bro the canal was so small and pathetic in this 3DS city without wild battles but it looks big and deep and full of Magikarp in this Switch city where both trainers and wild pokemon have to be included that must mean the city has changed from the 3DS version into the Switch version!
>>55752445>can we just admit that maybe the reason why Lumiose City in AZ is different from XY is because XY was a product of its timeWe could if that was what was actually going on.
>>55752455Nothing in DS hardware prevented them from putting Sapporo's goverment office in Jubilife city but due to the hardware the city is a massive abstraction and we can live with the idea of the building always been there since a hundred years ago, same as to the "customization" of the plazas
>>55752471Yes except there is abstraction, which will undoubtedly be the case for a lot of features of the Z-A map, and there's the elements that are entirely new and unique to the redevelopment plan as we see in the trailer.
>>55752462>left>shows a perfect comparison that properly depicts the differences>right>radically different depictions that can't possibly prove a thingLiterally nothing in that art of Lumiose nor the map at its right present a contradiction to eachother
>>55752471>Nothing in DS hardware prevented them from putting Sapporo's goverment office in Jubilife city Yes, and it isn’t there because it doesn’t exist in modern day Jubilife City.
Uhh which side is winning again? I lost track.
>>55752474Entirely new elements that couldn't possibly have in XY Lumiose even considering abstraction? Such as?
>>55752489Wow you really don't understand abstraction or continuity at all
>>55752500the one that knows what a legend implies
>>55752500The people who are winning are the one’s saying “wait and see”.
>>55751886Please add>they got rid of this route because they felt like it
>>55752512“Thing literally changed in-universe” isn’t the same as “abstraction”. Stop using muh abstraction as an excuse to maintain your fanfics.
>>55752526>>“Thing literally changed in-universe” isn’t the same as “abstraction”.Correct, yet you seem to confuse abstraction with these changes.Do you also think all these murals around Hisui don't exist anymore, just because they aren't seen in DP?
>>55752481>Literally nothing in that art of Lumiose nor the map at its right present a contradiction to eachotherCanal bisection + wild habitats + lack of exit to the power plant route coupled with elements of the power plant being seen in that segment of Lumiose itself instead.Oh, and redevelopment. Not construction plan.
Now I want fan art of Lucas going into the abandoned galaxy hall and seeing a ghost of Rei or something
>>55751476not a pastfag I just think it would be incredibly funny for you to go through all this work in Z-A just for Lumiose to turn into the dystopian shithole it is in XY
>>55752582We probably won't see it crumble in Z-A, that's something that's moreso implied by the passage of time from Z-A to XY just like the construction of Route 13's gate.It's also highly likely we'll see Lysandre's ancestor as a nod to the way the royal family has kept up with the region's tradition's all this time-- I daresay, the evil team might be called "Spark" to signify the Spark before the Flare.All of that context is lost in futurefag's headcanon.
>>55752569>Canal bisectionDidn't read the rest you got btfo like hours ago by >>55751669 but let me go an make a screenshot of the canal tooif you wanna check it yourself the timestamp is like 1:01 and 1:02, that's when the side of the cnal that goes under magenta plaza is visible
>>55752569>elements of the power plant being seen in that segment of Lumiose itself insteadSo now futurekeks are headcanoning Kalos' power plant has been moved to Lumiose city based on pic related?Jesus christ the cope is real
>>55752259ever play gta or spider-man? probably nothing like that but its possible
>>55751525>pic related>clearly modern clothes>game says REdevelopment>Lumiose extremely different than the one in XYFuck off, retard.
>>55751555The 1800s make perfect sense, specially because people back then use to wear baseball caps and had phones! Very astute of you.
>>55752634That's the thing when you know you are right, you aren't questioning yourself as others question you, you just repeat yourself until people let you be, no matter how full of shit you have been proven to be. I bet the guy will repeat the canal isn't bisecting Z-A Lumiose city in future threads, because that's all that matters for him, making people think the same dumb think he once thought so he feels less stupid.
>>55752191You going in the collage faggot. Can't wait for the trailer to show the future so that faggots like you can shut the fuck up.
>>55752738>clearly modern clothesBased on what? There's barely any detail on them and can easily be parisian clothes from the 1900s. And yes, caps like those existed in that era>redevelopmentYes? Paris already existed back then, so the redevelopment was, indeed, a REdevelopment.>extremely dif-Nope nope nope nope nope we got you here >>55752634 >>55751669I'm not reading past this point either, you dishonest cuck
Z comes after X and Y.A is the beginning.It’s both.
>>55752745I've seen you bullshiting about phones before but I've never seen a screenshoot of that supposed phone in the trailer what the fuck are you talking about
>>55752766>Based on what? There's barely any detail on them>baseball capThere's even a hole for her ponytail to go through, unlike the one in your image.>female wearing a jacket, a bracelet, pants, and shoes clearly not from the old time period you claim>kid wearing a jacket that is also clearly not from that area>guy is straight up wearing a blazerThat's some crazy denial you're going through.
>>55752789On the trailer, when they show the restaurant tables on the street a female with a modern purse, has her hands at her lap and is fiddling with her phone.
>>55752634You have got to be high if you think the canal in Lumiose is not radically different than the one in XY. I dusted off my game just a few days ago and the canals are so narrow that a person could easily jump across. There is also no section where you can walk under a bridge since the water is only a few feet under the ground. These radical changes are what makes people think that REdevelopment, means that they redevelop the Lumiose City in XY.
>>55752766>Nope nope nope nope nope we got you here >>55752634 >>55751669>I'm not reading past this point either, you dishonest cuckI concede anon, the tiny creek in XY is a carbon copy of the actual river, big enough to warrant a bridge with a walkway that goes under it, running through the city in the trailer. You got me.
>>55752803I was laughing at the cap cope already but the fact you think those couldn't possibly be 1900 parisian clothes is the biggest kekHonorary points for calling that boy's clothes a blazer
>>55752829>thinks everybody who outs him is the same>also doesn't know how scaling and abstraction worksYour brain is gonna explode when you realize Jubilife village is in fact way, way smaller than Jubilife city
>>55752839>w-what about this completely different hat I found after looking for a while?!!! Completely different than the one in the trailer. >Honorary points for calling that boy's clothes a blazerIn my post, I referred to the boy as "kid" and I said he was wearing a jacket. The older man in the picture is the one I said was wearing a blazer. I'd tell you to learn how to read, but you're just twisting everything around so that it fits your delusion. Those are modern clothes no matter how you look at them. Don't just randomly throw in random images in black and white with clothes that look entirely different, find something similar if it's so easy, faggot.
>>55752852>he thinks I'm talking about the hat and not the clothes for the woman on the leftLook, just forget it, you are genuinely too dumb to understand what you are told.Sorry you think of the victorian era when you hear 1900 Paris, but like the retards who said LA was in the edo period, you will learn
>>55752846>s-scaling and abstraction!!! Adding a pier and a walkway that goes under the a bridge is a major change, not simply scaling and abstraction. Those types of additions would more fittingly be described as "redeveloped."
>>55752860>"le sigh, if you can't understand my fanfiction, then you are dumb"Good argument, faggot. Keep posting black and white pictures that look nothing like what we're talking about, maybe that would help!
>>55752864>adding more details when the game is bigger? Having less detailed and complex scenarios when you have to omit stuff? No, that's not scaling and abstraction!You don't know what these words mean, so don't use them.
Future fags getting desperate, disproven multiple timea and are now grasping at straws like what clothes the NPCs are wearing lmao. Should have just left it at "Shiny blue grid = future confirmed!" and went to go eat crayons with a side of glue.
>>55752864>b-but.. they added stuff..!
>>55752883>"any major change made to the city is scaling and abstraction, because such major changes don't go along with my fanfiction!!!"You're the one who doesn't understand the meaning of those words. >>55752886Reply to me if you feel confident, faggot. Don't go posting looking for other retards.
>>55752895What stopped GF from having these many flowers, these nice roads and all the stuff they put in FRLG, back in GSC? Surely the GB was capable of handling those, so this isn't just a case of scaling and abstraction, FRLG Celadon city is fundamentally different from the one in GSC, so it's clearly set in GSC future, not its past!
>>55752895ZA isn't a remake, retard. Bad argument.
>>55752899>this is bigger and deeper>"major changes"Or is now time for you to pretend the canal isn't dividing the city just like in XY, again?
>>55752895See, there, you are actually showing scaling and abstraction. What we have in the ZA trailer is not either of those. It's not just flowers and a fountain, they added a while new structure not found in the original game.
>>55752925>thinks everybody who outs him is the sameI'm not the anon who talked about the canal dividing the city. >this is bigger and deeper>"major changes" The original game gave the player ZERO access to the water in Lumiose. ZA not only adds a walkway, but a pier that gives direct access to the water. This is a major change.
>>55752910>DOESN'T COUNTStill a (chronologically) older depiction of a place we have seen smaller, less detailed and with less features in shitty hardware that depicted the future version insteadCope
>>55752963Again. It's a remake, retard. There is no discussion of time, because it occurs at the time of the original because, again, it's a remake, retard. PLA is not a remake, retard. It's a game set in a different time, so there's discussion about it because of this. If this were an XY remake, then it wouldn't be a discussion because it's a remake, retard.
>>55752939>if I write it with more words it will seem like a bigger deal, right?No. It's a feature of the city that exists in both games. In 3DS looks like something a Skiddo could cross with a jump. In DS it would probably look like something a human could cross with a jump. In Switch looks like something where many Gyarados can swim in. More details are added too, since they have room for those.Scale and abstraction.
>>55752805I'm not seeing any phone but I see your bullshit
>>55752976>if I ignore the points he makes, my fanfiction will be true!Like I said, giving the player access to the water is a major change, not simply adding a fountain or making the city look prettier. It's a major structural change that was not present in the original game. It goes beyond scale and abstraction.
>>55752991>head down>hands together fiddling with phone on her handsTook you this long to come up with some bullshit reply? I'm also surprised you were willing to post an image showing a modern purse, clothes, and heels; when it clearly kills the "past" argument.
>>55753004Giving the player access to the water is a mechanical change, not even a structural one, you absolute dumbass, and it's also brought by the fact the city is now bigger and has to let you experience more variety of pokemon (also mechanical).It's a mechanical change (access to this water that has always been there) added for another mechanical change (all pokemon appear in the city alone) that is only possible due to a scale change (the size of Switch game worlds). I'm starting to you think are insane
>>55753004It's like if the Switch successor had another Kanto remake and Celadon city was so big the fountain was like Rome's trevi fountain and you could also surf there to catch idk, Feebas because this time they added non-Kanto pokemonWouldn't mean Celadon has become bigger than Saffron city, just that the scale allows for more room to play
The fact that they’re emphasizing it’s a REdevelopment of Lumiose City makes it obvious it’s a sequel to XY and takes place on the future or near future.>B-B-BUH THE REAL PARISLumiose City isn’t Paris.
>>55752974>the retard who just learned about the word and keeps spaming it thinks FRLG is a remake of GSC>and still doesn't get the point (or purposelly misses, not like it changes the outcome)Like said earlier you will have a blast when you realize Jubilife village isn't bigger than Jubilife city
>>55753025>Giving the player access to the water is a mechanical change, not even a structural one, you absolute dumbassPost an image of XY Lumiose City with a walkway under a bride and a pier. >access to this water that has always been thereWrong. >all pokemon appear in the city aloneYou should have told me you had the game already. None of your arguments make sense. You're standing on the technicality of word definitions, and whatever cope your fanfiction is running on.
>>55753041>it must be the future because Lumioseis being redeveloped means it already existed! XY was then, ZA is now, the redevelopment!Except... ZA can have a redevelopment and still be old... that just means the city is even older? If I show you a pic of my house and a pic of my house when I remodeled last year that doesn't mean my house wasn't originally built many years ago You sound like those creacionist that can't fathom the idea of the earth being way older than humankind and think their own timeframes must align with the environment where they live
>>55753039Anon, a remake would have the same setting as the original game. There is no discussion to be had on timeline.
>>55753057>but the details..! THEY ARE ADDING MORE I'M TELLING YOUI'm tired already>wrongLearn to read. The water was always there. They didn't let you use Surf there, but it was always there. Letting you cross the water now doesn't mean a fucking massive structural change>he's not denying official infoYup, I'm tired of you
>>55753011Anon this woman has nothing in her hands. Literally.>>55753025>I'm starting to you think are insaneYes they are
>>55753090>they
>>55753042Your argument is shit, because you're talking about a remake, retard. It has the same setting as the original because, it's a remake, retard. Get it yet? FRLG is a remake of RBY, so it takes place before whatever Johto game comes next. That's its setting because it's a remake, retard. >Like said earlier you will have a blast when you realize Jubilife village isn't bigger than Jubilife cityIt happened in the very distant pass so it was bound to change, what's your point here? ZA happens in a bigger expanded Lumiose city. If anything, you're just making my argument.
>>55753063There's no discussion on the timeline on Z-A either, just you rambling because you don't understand a game on a more powerful console depicts the same place with more features and bigger scale.There's no discussion on the timeline for the word remake because it tells you it's about the same event, and there's no discussion on the timeline for the word legends because it tells you it's about an old eventAlso>a remake would have the same settingslmao sorry but your logic dictates ORAS isn't a remake then Again there's no real discussion about neither of these cases just your insanity about canels being depicted better meaning a massive remodelation
>>55753098Theyre not trolling, theyre actually this retarded
>>55753071>I'm tired alreadyOf making up bullshit, I'm sure. You telling me a bridge tall enough to have a walkway under it and a pier, isn't a big structural change to what XY had? >The water was always there. They didn't let you use Surf there, but it was always there. Letting you cross the water now doesn't mean a fucking massive structural changeA game adding a walkway, pier, and a surf area isn't a "massive structural change"? Then what is? Seems pretty major to let the player access an area he could never access before.
If you read this thread from top to bottom you see the futuretranny is going step by step consuming every last bit of copium he possibly has. I wonder whats gonna be the next excuse after muh canal deep
>>55753090It's clearly her messing with a phone. You gonna tell me they just decided to have a person decked out in modern clothes just sitting there looking at her hands?
>>55753094>he really doesn't get he's being made fun of of>he's UNIRONICALLY explaining Jubilife village looks bigger than Jubilife city "because it changed over time" not because of scale>so this retard genuinely thinks the village is biggerOH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
>>55753061> Except... ZA can have a redevelopment and still be old... If it were old they would just call it the development of Lumiose City instead of the redevelopment of Lumiose City.
>>55753135>It's clearly her messing with a phoneWhere's the phone, then? Because you can clearly see the difference between the background and the woman hands, fingers included, and she's not holding a god damn thing>call clothes that can't be possibly identified due to the lack of details "modern clothes" cope againlmao>looking at her handsShe's reacting to that Klefki
>>55753098>There's no discussion on the timeline on Z-A eitherI agree, it's clearly set in the future. >bigger scaleYou just love to hide behind that word and pretend every major change to the city falls under it. A more fitting word for such major changes would be "redeveloped". >There's no discussion on the timeline for the word remakeYes, because it's a remake, retard. >Also>>a remake would have the same settings>lmao sorry but your logic dictates ORAS isn't a remake thenThey didn't teach you about settings in school yet? A setting for a story, is the time and place in which the story takes place. If FRLG has the same setting as the original game, then that means that the time and place of the game is the same; because it's a remake, retard. In other words, to compare a Legends game to a remake, is beyond retarded.
>>55753158>proving me rightI'm sorry you literally don't understand the passage of time but no, a city can exist today and have experienced redevelopments hundreds of years ago, all hundreds of years after its original development
So we agree this guy >>55753196 is also >>55753094 right? No way we have 2 fags dumb enough to miss the point of the comparison and don't see being they clownedRight?
>>55753142Shit anon, take your meds. You first told me that Jubilife Village ISN'T bigger than Jubilife City. I said yeah, but what's your point here. Then you went "GOTCHA!!! HAHA! YOU'VE BEEN TROLLED" That's some heavy mental retardation you're working with.
>>55753206> a city can exist today and have experienced redevelopments hundreds of years agoThey would have no reason to call it a redevelopment of Lumiose City instead of just saying it’s a development of Lumiose City.
>>55753168>sitting with legs crossed >hands held together, resting on her legs>head looking down>squirms on seat while still looking down at her hands>doesn't look up with Pikachu passes byShe's on her phone.
>>55753219>"haha le ebin troll" There is no comparison to be had. A remake is set in the same exact time was the original. A Legends game is set in a different timeline. The comparison is as retarded as pretending you were trolling after losing an argument.
>>55753224>GOTCHA!!! HAHA! YOU'VE BEEN TROLLEDThat's not even remotely close to our exchange. And inb4 you try it, I'm refering to what I was trying to say in the previous post. No that's not what happened, that's not the issue here kekYou really are too dumb to see when and HOW you are embarrassed by others>>55753219Confirmed. See >>55753254
>>55753260>not even trying to argue the retarded "remakes same as Legends setting" argument>reduced to going "n-no you!! and showing posts from out discussionFucking embarrassing anon, pathetic even.
>>55753219>their own logic gets extrapolated to see how dumb it is>“Ha! That's dumb! Totally different”You will never knowThey ARE futurekeks so I can believe many of them being this inane
>>55753241She literally reacts to Klefki, she's not checking any invisible phoneAt this point I think I should just ask you to show us the phone you and nobody else sees and don't bother replying until you give us an actual screenshot of it
>>55753306>show us the phone you and nobody else seesIt's in her hands, and plenty of people say that it's a phone. Literally obvious to everyone, also she's not looking in Klefki's direction at all.
>>55753303>their own logic gets extrapolated How so? Comparing the setting of remakes and Legends is retarded, explain how it isn't then faggot.
I’m just happy that Kalos is finally getting a good game.
>>55753327There's nothing in her hands. Provide a picture of this phone you are imagining or stop this farceAn argumentum ad populum wouldn't work either, I asure you
>>55753289That's the thing, kek, nobody has ever Legends are the same as remakes but you retards(? Or retard) don't even understand the arguments you face
Do not reply to the futurecuck, he just wants (You)s
>>55753234>literally doesn't understand time>not even a meme he straight up can't comprehend something this simpleIts called redevelopment because the city already existed before, just like they could have another redevelopment 200 years later and it the previous one wouldnt magically stop being a REdevelopmentare you autistic? Hell I bet you are so I will tell you in advance this pic is just a sample, I'm not saying these are the correct dates for Lumiose city it's just a sample so your faulty brain gets it
>>55753395> Its called redevelopment because the city already existed beforeWhy would Game Freak make it already exist before when they can just call it the development of Lumiose City instead?
>>55753394If you don't have anything to add, then fuck off and kill yourself faggot.
>>55753388I never said that either. The argument stemmed from some fag comparing remake changes to the changes in Lumiose from the trailer. When I said they weren't comparable because ZA isn't a remake, he went on the whole "no you" and "le trolled' tirade.
>>55753403If the game was set in the original development of Lumiose it would be so fucking early in the world history we wouldn't even have pokeballs, retard, remember those are canonically not even 100 year old (see Drayden)
>>55753436Now is when he says Lumiose is nothing like Paris and they could just make it so the city is 100 yo then we remind him of the historical portrayal of Legends Arceus despite the fantastic elements and he shuts>Y-YOU JUST WANT ALL LEGENDS GAME TO BE EXACTLY THE SAMEAgain
>>55753420>"no you" and "le trolled' tirade.As you have been told that's not the laughable part of your shitfest of posts, you are completely misunderstanding why you are a retardBut that makes it funnier, honeslty
>>55753448So, not even an attempt at an explanation again. Maybe try to samefag again so you don't look THAT retarded and desperate.
>>55753407Futurekeks don't have anything to add either and yet...
>>55753460Cringe post. Take my earlier advice please.
>>55753374Since it's the future it's a new model of Rotom phone that stays in your hands like a normal phone but invisible
>>55753374It's on her hands. She's messing around with it, and it's covered by her hands. Why else would she have her head down staring at it? You say she was looking at Klefki but she's not even looking in his direction. They clearly went out of their way to make here appear to be on her phone.
>>55753436> If the game was set in the original development of Lumiose it would be so fucking early in the world history ??? It’s a made up setting. Game Freak can set it literally whenever they want.
Given Arceus and SV we can fairly guess the hairstyles will be shared right? Doubt it for the clothes this time, but hey I want more hair too
>>55753438As foretold >>55753500
>>55753490>it's on her hands.>she's messing around with it>she's not looking at the KlefkiFalse false and false. Last reply until you post the imaginary phone.
>>55753554The futurekek is a one trick pony >>55751851
>>55753042>when you realize Jubilife village isn't bigger than Jubilife cityJubilife City is bigger than Jubilife Village, though. Not really any different than how Lumiose City in XY is smaller than the redevelopment plans featured in Z-A.
>>55751717Its an animated blueprint dude, its showcasing how they envision the city will look like. The plans coming to life
>>55753688This is a reused cope from Legends Kyurem kek
>>55753833Holy shit is that where this shit stems from? Residual delusions from kyrem not getting a game lmfao
>>55753849I strictly remember a pic like >>55753688 but using LA box art, then SV and then some fan art cover of "Legends Kyurem" (or "Legends Unova", don't remember the title) being posted a few times before so yeah maybe it's just a cope after all
So 1800s or 1900s?
>>55751476Yeah the whole futuristic, neon teaser trailer really screamed "set in the past!"...
>>55751568>still liking golemDumbest UOL newfag
>>55755254>see a grid>"holy shit everything is gonna be like Black's opelucid city with neons and shiny stuff!"You are dumb as a brick
>>55755254>typical wireframe to represent structures since the game is about remodelations of an old city>future subhumans think it's supposed to be le epic future neon cityThis is what throws me off the most about futurecucks. Even when they try to come up with actual arguments, it's all rooted on this, they saw lights and automatically assumed it was the future and every single other argument they come up with was devised around this, solely existing to excuse their original simplistic and ignorant view.
>>55751476i feel like sending this to someone without context
>>55751925It quite literally is
>>55755991It's basically the other side of the coin of what happened when LA was revealed and retards were saying it was set into the edo period despite pic related based simply on the traditional japanese houses and drawings, except this time they are going for a super futuristic delusion instead of an ancient past one.
>>55752455>Nothing about XY’s hardware prevented them from putting forests or wild Pokemon in Lumiose City>expecting Gamefreak to add that much effort into what is basically a glorified tech demo for Pokemon Games on the 3DS.>expecting that AZ was thought about way back when XY came out.Please do us all a favor and stop digging yourself a deeper hole.
>trannies on /vp/ spend all of 2023 arguing with each other over autistic interpretations of a few vague things>all of them turn out to be completely wrong, all of them 41% themselves following this revelation>trannies on /vp/ will spend all of 2024 arguing with each other over autistic interpretations of a few vague things>???
>>55756992Your average /vp/ poster is a prime example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. What did you expect?
>>55756074It's the "science diagrams that seem like shitposting" genre of humour
>>55756968These retards can't even understand that revisiting and glowing up a place when you are able to flesh it out more even if it wasn't like that originally is a common practique in vidya
Legends games being set in 1926-1927 would honestly be perfect because that's exactly 70 years before gen 1.I wonder how many Legends based on true historical events could they put in that time frame tho
I think Legends ZA being set in the future would be cool, so I choose to believe it's set in the future until irrefutable evidence like a trailer comes along. Simple as.
Ignoring all evidence-based reasoning, I think it's unlikely to be the future for one simple reason: Game Freak would become bound to that future for any contemporary games they make afterward, and that restriction is something they would consider too much trouble to deal with.Then again GF is really comfortable with just throwing alternate universes at us so I guess they'd just do the same to resolve that.
>>55759138Over 250 replies in a Legends thread and nobody mentioned shrinking so far, what are you trying to accomplish? We know it's canon
>>55758700>Legends games being set in 1926-1927 would honestly be perfect because that's exactly 70 years before gen 1Legends:Kanto set during the Taisho Era when>>55757868Not gonma be surprised if it was an effort to troll /vp/ by a bunch of discord users.
