Alto Mare Edition>I want to learn the game, where do I begin?Download PTCGL at https://tcg.pokemon.com/en-us/tcglThe game has a quick tutorial and a bunch of decent decks to get you started against other beginners or against the AI. Some of those decks are very close to meta too. You can also go to your local game store and see if people are playing Pokémon.>I know how to play, how do I make my own deck?You have a decent beginner's guide at https://www.justinbasil.com/guideThere's also the old /tcg/ guide at https://imgur.com/a/W4NkOu6After that, look up meta decks and try to reverse engineer them to see how things work.>Where to find meta decks?For big irl events, go to https://limitlesstcg.com/decksFor online events, go to https://play.limitlesstcg.com/decks?game=PTCGFor japanese events, go to https://pokecabook.com/archives/1417Previous thread: >>56001874Old /tcg/ pastebin: https://pastebin.com/Ge95YuMA
Charizard is still good after all. Dragapult is fake, there was no reason to stop playing the deck.
>>56021877The dragon set will put it on top...
>>56021899>Double dragon energy becomes an ace spec>It's just the same as neo upper energy for pultI can already see it..
I've done enough testing with Glimmora and I think it'll have a spot in the meta next set.Good Matchups>Terapagos (hard counter)>Lost Box>Gardevoir>Blissey>Miraidon>Future Box>GholdengoEven Matchups>Dragapult (Xatu builds do worse, Pidgeot builds do better, will probably become a worse matchup once Crispin exists)>Control>Gren/Froslass>Chien-PaoBad Matchups>Raging Bolt>Charizard>probably Okidogi/PecharuntWill probably build Terapagos/Glimmora first thing new set. Being a total counter versus what will probably be the best deck in the format is a huge plus.
>>56022140Forgot Ancient Box and Roaring Moon. Former is even to good, latter is good.
>>56022140>GlimmoraHow does it counter Terapagos?On that note, could you make a poison deck using PAL and TWM Glimmora, Brute Bonnet, Sneasler etc? Maybe stick in Perilous Jungle?
>>56022456Glimmora ex limits your opponent's bench to 3Poison deck with baby Glimmora is definitely possible, but you're better off using baby Pecharunt for that extra 5 poison ticks.
>>56022465Or Okidogi ex for even more damageAlso, try searching text:"Venoshock" in Limitless
>>56022140What's your list like so far? No worries if you don't want to reveal it, just curious as I'm thinking about building it too.
>connection drops for one second>this happens and I'm permanently unable to see or do anything beyond look at the battle log, which is still functioning in real timebravo ptcgl
when the fuck is haxorus getting an ex or SOMETHING
>>56023860>fucking fraxure of all things gets an AR in night wandererkek poor anon
>>56023860Sorry, its spot is going to Dragon Tera Charizard in the Dragon set.
>>56020723I can't wait for this to happen with dark, dragon and stellar zards
>>56022662This is what I've settled on. You need to accelerate a fighting at least once to keep up, so this is the closest I've come to consistency. You need Sneasler to even compete vs Zard, and Tatsu makes for a great pivot to chain your Ciphers and Arvens.Shrouded Fable has a stadium that will probably replace Cipher/Jungle as well as the hourglass, which would free up space for other attackers like Okidogi + Luminous Energy.
>>56024455>4 CiphersWow, never seen anyone run a deck with that many Ciphers. How is it? Is Dudunsparce engine reliable enough to always get what you want?
Any idea when/if we'll get these alt arts? Japan's had them for almost a month now.
Is there a deck in which Iron Moth is good? I like the design but both cards seem kinda meh, I can't see a situation they'd be particularly useful in.
>>56023860>Good axew that attack evolves directly into haxorus>Good fraxure that can't be bossed>Good single prize haxorus that ohkos specal energyIt really does need a decent ex now and you can build around the entire line.
>>56024811it could take 25 years...
>opponent just knocked their Drifloon out with Psychic Embracevery cool
>>56025122you can't do that though?
>>56025122How?
>>56025138you can if you believe in the heart of the cards
>PTCGLlol
>>56025150So this is the power of live...
exp stonks
Im fairly new to the game but i've been playing Snorlax Stall because I enjoy being a fun-sucking devil, love these moments
>>56026267Gouging Fire ex?
Damn Blissey is actually not a good deck. I really thought it was going to be at least viable.
>>56026721There are too many oneshot attacks right now for it to be able to do what it needs to do.
>>56026721I chienzardccinobolt u to deatheven the captcha knocks u out
Everyone put on your wingull hat.
>>56026973
MisoThornyPokémon: 21 Iron Bundle PAR 564 Iron Thorns ex TWM 77Trainer: 124 Ultra Ball SVI 1962 Canceling Cologne ASR 1364 Electric Generator SVI 1701 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 1461 Penny PAF 2394 Future Booster Energy Capsule PAR 164 PH2 Town Store OBF 1961 Penny SVI 1834 Nest Ball SVI 1811 Reboot Pod TEF 1584 Arven SVI 1662 Boss's Orders PAL 172Energy: 125 Basic {L} Energy SVE 4Total Cards: 60I've been having a stupid amount of fun with this, it shuts down so many decks at the moment. Downside is the Mulligans, current record is 14 before drawing a basic
>>56027260>14 mulliganswtf just because it's auto shuffled doesn't mean they shouldn't implement the 4 mulligan rule
>>56027297The Gouldengo player loved it.
>opponent loops Radiant Charizard 3 times to take 3 2-prize monsThat's fucking ludicrous.
>>56027464Iron Thorns EX shuts off abilities on pokemon with a rulebox.Basic Mimiku is an auto win against it tho
>>56027464
>>56027549i guess that's why he has two colognes and boss's?
>>56027731Yep
>trying to complete challenges>just need to attack twice with water types, easy>don't get my water type into play until like turn 5>opponent has no benched Pokémon>win after taking two prize cards and 1 water type attackSuch is life.On a side note, why does it feel like every game comes down how well you draw? Either I don't draw shit and can't get going or my opponent puts nothing down so I assume the same has happened to them. It feels rare that I just get outplayed or outplay my opponent.
>>56028241That's just nature of how important turn 1 is. Shame we can't manually mulligan to at least get a better start than lumioneon active + 2 boss, vessal, pal pad, super rod and 2 research in hand.
Lost to this stupid faggot deck because i bricked. I hate that you cant rematch these fucking noobs who need to learn that their decks are shit
>>56028603Tried not bricking, retard?
https://community.pokemon.com/en-us/discussion/11629/version-1-15-0-patch-notes#latest>Greninja DTE still not fixedAt least great tusk got fixed 2 expansions after it's release lmao
>>56028790>Jamming Tower (TWM #153): Fixed an issue where the card effect did not block the effect of Hero's Cape (TEF #152)Hey, they saw my report. >>56021624
What pokemon would get this ace spec and what would be the HP buff if it were made in modern times?
>>56029435We thought ogerpon would get one of these to fix her damage but we didn't. Even terapagos just got a generic tera one insteadAt this point I'm almost certain we wont be getting "specific pokemon" ace specs anymore, like kyurem, victini and genesects were
Hydrapple ex – Grass – HP330Stage 2 – Evolves from DipplinAbility: Ripe ChargeOnce during your turn, you may attach 1 Basic [G] Energy from your hand to 1 of your Pokémon. If you do, heal 30 damage from that Pokémon.[C][C] Syrup Storm: 30+ damage. This attack does 30 more damage for each [G] Energy attached to your Pokemon.Pokemon ex rule: When your Pokemon ex is Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.Weakness: Fire (x2)Resistance: noneRetreat: 3No synergy with festival lead. Goes with Ogerpon instead even if it is hard to ramp up to 10 energy in play for a ohko..
Archaludon – Metal – HP180Stage 1 – Evolves from DuraludonAbility: Steel BridgeYour Pokémon with any [M] Energy attached to them have no Retreat Cost.[M][M][C] Iron Blaster: 160 damage. This Pokémon can’t attack during your next turn.Weakness: Fire (x2)Resistance: Grass (-30)Retreat: 2Might have been good for revavroom-ex if cherly was still around.
Glass Trumpet – TrainerItemYou can only play this card if you have a Tera Pokémon in play.Choose up to 2 of your Benched [C] Pokémon and attach a Basic Energy from your discard pile to each of them.You may play as many Item cards as you like during your turn.Dark Patch? More like Dork Patch.
>>56029532>Once during your turn, you may attach 1 Basic [G] Energy from your hand to 1 of your Pokémon. If you do, heal 30 damage from that Pokémon.>ONCE>1 Basic [G] Energy>FROM HAND>Meanwhile psychic Why is grass type STILL getting punished for forest of giant plants 9 years later???
Briar – TrainerSupporterYou can play this card only if your opponent has exactly 2 Prize cards remaining.Until the end of this turn, if your opponent’s Active Pokémon is Knocked Out by damage from one of your Tera Pokémon’s attacks, take 1 more Prize card.You may play only 1 Supporter card during your turn.3 conditions for the supporter to take effect? Meanwhile, turn 1 iron hands exists.
>>56029532where did it all go wrong? did they forget to powercreep it?
Drednaw – Water – HP140Stage 1 – Evolves from ChewtleAbility: Impregnable ShellIf an attack from your opponent’s Pokémon would deal 200 damage or more to this Pokémon, prevent that damage.[C][C][C] Hard Crunch: 80+ damage. If your opponent’s Active Pokémon already has any damage counters on it, this attack does 80 more damage.Weakness: Lightning (x2)Resistance: noneRetreat: 3Old-timers will remember when the trigger for this ability was 30 damage.
Salazzle – Fire – HP120Stage 1 – Evolves from Salandit[C][C] Sudden Burn: Your opponent discards a card from their hand. If this Pokémon evolved from Salandit during this turn, they discard 2 more cards.[R][C][C] Flamethrower: 130 damage. Discard an Energy from this Pokémon.Weakness: Water (x2)Resistance: noneRetreat: 1Use with xerosic to put an opponent to a 0 card hand and then ???
>>56029561>"Bellowing Thunder, discarding two Grass."
>>56029537Jesus Christ fine I’ll tech in a fighting attacker into every deck
>>56029621The trumpet doesn't actually enable much besides letting you throw 320hp blood moons at your opponent slightly earlier.Maybe raging bolt could use it if they have another colorless bench sitter besides squawkabilly.
>>56029631Yeah I was looking through the colorless mons and there's really nothing to use it with besides terapagos. It could be nice for blissey but there's no good teramons for it, so they'd just end up being 2 prize liabilities Iron jugulis ex will end up being a colorless type so there may be possibility there assuming they don't make it completely fucking useless (like the 2 existing jugulis.. oh no it's not looking hopeful..)
>>56029537I feel stupid for hyping up a second thought the leak mon are all colorless
>>56029649Haha if only, they would've made the stellar mons dumb triple rainbow costs actually viable. This set exists just for terapagos to be a wannabe mega rayquaza deck. There will be no other good cards or archetypes here.
>>56029659Tera Colorless Mega Rayquaza ex will save us. Trus the plan.
>>56029532They need to stop using 5ban designs already holy shit
Bring me back
>>56029574This and other hard discarders would be so broken if there was a card that limits your opponent's hand/draws. But I doubt that card would ever get printed, it doesn't feel like something that fits PTCG.
I'm a bit confused by how Limitless tournament section works, why does it not show twilight masquerade tourneys except for NAIC? Is there a site where I can check results for smaller, new tournaments instead of only the big ones?
>>56030578The main site is for offline premier-level tournaments. This is for online tournamentshttps://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/completed
https://www.ptcgic-cr.com/2024/en/result/primary-selection/
Done with this fucking game. That literalwho legendary from SV DLC got 6 heads. Faggidori or whatever. The one that negates attacks with a dark energy.
get munkidori'd nerd
gimme code cards
>>56031084here you go
>>56030963Loyalty always wins.
I want Hydrapple ex to be good, but I have a feeling that it really won't be. It just takes too much grass energy on board to hit relevant OHKO numbers and the deck doesn't have another angle of attack as it is.
>>56031084i have like 30 temporal forces codes i forgot to redeem because i got so fucking mad i pulled fuck all nothing in that box
>>56031182Scaling by x30 just isn't enough to do anything. You need 6 Energy in play just to KO Rotom. Even with weakness, you still need 5 in play to KO Charizard.
teal ogerpon was a mistake
>>56031217Why does Creatures just not care about making Grass pokemon good? There's so much grass support in the format and yet none of it altogether is enough to have a real grass deck.
>>56031257Worst part is, you can tell when they've made something bad on purpose. Look at >>56029537 compared to Gardenia.
>>56031201Gibe code plsHuehuehue
>>56031182>>56031257It would've been alright if it pulled energy from deck or discard. It only pulls from hand which is what ogerpon does... and what gardenia does... there's too much overlapping. Decks like lightning work because generator pulls from deck. Then flaffy pulls from the discard. So you have multiple methods of getting energy into play. From hand is probably the worst way of acceleration, it's the most limiting
>>56029555she cute
Reading the comments on pokebeach reveals really does make you lose braincellsThey honestly think hydrapple and lapras are op..
>>56032385They're the definition of normies. Every time a pretty card or new product gets revealed, there's multiple people saying shit like "omg my poor wallet i have to buy it" even if it's Ultra Pro slop.
>>56032385/tcg/ thought Munkidori would be shit.
>https://www.ptcgic-cr.com/2024/en/result/primary-selection/?cid=&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tcg&utm_term=tcgillustrationcontesttop300>TCG illustration contest quarter finalists are announced>AI slop slipped in, whilst the submitted also breaking the 3 submission limitHOLY KEK
>>56032592>Khachadoorian is most commonly found in Armenia and India
I would rather they use AI slop than ever see a 5ban card again.
cringe
Terapagos is insanely cracked. There's dozens of viable ways to play the card.>Turbo Colorless with DTE>Crown Opal build with Raikou V and Ogerpon>Crispin build with cards like Entei V, Raikou V, Shaymin VStar, Perrserker V, Jirachi V, Machamp VMax, and anything else with Color + Colorless cost>Glimmora Crispin Luminous build for the mirror>Durable build with Boufallant and control cardsIt;s going to be such a massive chunk of the meta, it's ridiculous.
>>56033976It looks to have a ton of awful match ups vs the current meta though? Ogerbolt, charizard, chienpao, gholdengo, okidogi, lost box or any single prize decks. It can't ohko them while being killed back. The fact it can't attack turn 1 honestly will probably kill it
>>56033976It's a conditional attack that caps at 240 (220 with DTE) on a 230 HP Pokemon. You may as well just play Miraidon at that point.
>>56034149>The fact it can't attack turn 1 honestly will probably kill itIt will be funny if someone makes a trumpet build that aims for the 180 attack turn 1 instead.
>>56034222>Meanwhile Raging bolt deals 350 on turn 1
>>56034176>>56034149Bouffalant gives it 290 HP, it pairs perfectly with Entei and Raikou as early attackers, it can tech any card like Shaymin V to beat any matchup because of Crispin, and turn 1 Crown Opal is actually extremely easy with Mirror + Crispin. There is no card in the meta right now besides Glimmora that even comes close to beating it consistently.
>>56034259You can completely lock Bolt out of the game with Crown Opal and even beat it on the prize race using Entei and Raikou to attack first. And if you don't want to run an Opal list you can just tech Toedscruel because you have 8 bench spaces for whatever techs you need.
>>56034275Then you get stadium countered and go back to 230 hp, getting ohko and having no board either. Rotom fan only works on turn 1 so you're all outta luck building it back>There is no card in the meta right now besides Glimmora that even comes close to beating it consistently.lol. lost vacuum is in EVERY deck my guy. it's so easily countered. It's just a worse miraidon from our current knowledge on revealed cards, and miraidon has a terrible match up into the current meta
>>56034275>"Hail Blade for 360 for game.">"Bellow for 350 for game.">"Burning Darkness for 300 for game.">"Balloon Blast for 300 for game.">"Star Requiem for game."
>>56034283Nobody going to play turtle anyway when Greninja teras still in the format bro.
>>56034297In the majority of games you play Terapagos won't even be your primary attacker, you can get away with running like 5 types of basic energies because of Crispin, and then mid game Terapagos can come in and clean up and tank because very little can swing for 230 or more at the tempo Terapagos plays. You can have a stupid board, without the stadium, of Mimikyu, Entei V, Terapagos, Raikou V, and Radiant Gren and your opponent will have to realize any of them can attack.
>>56034347Greninja is a piss shit deck only retards on PTCGL play.
>>56034370The dog Vs don't hit for any relevant weaknesses and they don't do enough to ohko even with the stadium. Even palkia vstar with the stadium still only hits 320 provided they have 5 and you have the full 8, a lot of the time you're going to miss ohkos on dragapult even. Crispin is a meme every type has better ways to cheat energy. The only reason a deck like mega rayquaza worked because it could absolutely delete anything in the format turn 1, while drawing it's ENTIRE deck with shaymin and hoopa exs. Terapagos can't ohko most common pokemon around, and only has rotom which works turn 1 so if you're ever stadium bumped you're honestly just bricked. They completely neutered the concept
>Set up engine only works turn 1>Can't attack turn 1>Guarantee to get your set up removed before you can first attackWhat were they cooking with terapagos lmao
>>56033976It's fucking shit, bro
So what did I just instantly lose cause all my pokemon have abilities?
>>56034798Yes, you need to have a tech for it if they can prevent you from gust spamming to win. Raging bolt is popular enough where cornerstone can see enough play you need to respect it
Post your deck and your anti-Cornerstone tech
>>56035306All of my attackers don't have abilities so I don't need no techs
>>56035306>>56019575the pach and cologne were originally for mimikyu but thinking of adding another cologne now that stonepon is here
>>56034798This guy fucks my shit up, I play Blissey ex and I have no out to this.I'm playing a 2-2 line of Farigiraf ex, so when the raging bolts dont run the ogerpon I usually wall them to death with it. When the cornerstone appears my only wincon would be to gust them to death or somehow stall ogerpon's 140 dmg with blissey/farig healing them with 3 or 4 munkidoris every turn lol.Miserable matchup for sure, and a Cologne wouldnt help much since I can't oneshot it.
>>56034437>Set up engine only works turn 1Just like vip pass and everyone played that.
Imagine terapagos mirror
>>56036260aw cuteI see his cute lil face and I just think stupid kiki
>>56036067Comparing a universal setup card to something designed to work with a potentially bad deck isn't the same thing at all.The amount of Terapagos cope in this thread is insane.
>>56036067Yet it's more important for this deck as you want to go 8 wide bench so it makes it even harder to set back up to hit your amazing "240" damage lol. This decks gonna be such a joke of an archetype lmao
>>56034798>>56035306Does Walking Wake EX's ability cancel out with this, or do abilities not count as effects on a Pokémon?
>>56034798I think it's a lumineon-ting-lu-gapejaw situation where you choose which effect resolves first so you always do it in your favoureither that or whichever was in play first has priority
>play 2 Lake Acuity>don't have any>refresh>play 2 CandiceI am not enjoying this event.
>>56036571craft em?buy palkia or lower tier decks?
>>56036520Walking wake would hit through. Shred effects will have priority against safeguard effectsEven if walking wakes ability got shut off somehow it would hit through, since it doesn't have an ability anymore thus it's not blocked
>>56036571The missions give much more currency than normal, 60 vs 100 crystals on the secondary mission. It's very much worth doing the event ones even if they're more annoying
>>56036580I did craft them, I just have limited time to play and I don't want to constantly be running water decks just to clear missions.
>>56036701>lumineon -> arven -> secret box -> stadium>palkia -> stadium next turn>concede and repeatit ain't hard anon
>Since when could you play trainers to the bench>ohThat's why SIR should always focus on the mon
>whoever sets up the quickest /first winsI hate this game so much
>>56036765skill issue
>>56036765That's every card game
>>56036765>the best deck in the format is a deck that routinely falls behind in prizes what did he mean by this?
I kind of miss the days of when decks were just "60 good cards". It feels like every deck you build now has 57-58 things that have to be there for the deck to function and no room for any kind of tech or personal splash.
>>56038597I still have some techs or personal picks in my decks. Skill issue.
>>56038597I like this new era of bunch of tech cards and 1 offs. It reminds me of the gen6 era with vs seeker, where you'd run a bunch of niche 1 off supporters to pull with it
>>56038630>>56038401What's this exactly?
>>56038818https://twitter.com/FUN_TCGcafebarA Japanese bar that serves cocktails based on TCG cards you give them.
>>56038880>give them water energy>receive tap water
At 3-3 prizes, Charizard could pop a dusclops, counter catcher a 2-prizer, play briar, and swing for 350 damage and 3 prizes.Silly combo decks might be making a return.
>>56038921>Give them a grass energy Get a fucking LEAF
How to grab energy for a metal deck? I'm building Revaroom EX and I've more or less figured out drawing Tools, I just need metal energy acceleration.
Give me the hard one bartender
>>56038880Reminds me of the older days with sites like the drunken moogle. Not a drinker myself but I always liked the cool looking drinks with a theme I could get behind.
>>56039146Metang is the only reliable one but it's pretty good.
>>56039267Stupid question but is that 'once per turn' for each Metang or overall? I saw Magnezone has a similar ability, but I assume that's considered less reliable as it's a stage 2?
>>56039358Once per Metang per turnOnce overall a turn is written differently, pic related
>>56039358What >>56039405 said.Magnezone has a better ability but being on a Stage 2 makes it harder to setup thus not as reliable.
There's a local expanded tournament soon. What current standard deck would convert well into expanded?
I love cards where the attacks are like:>1 energy: The enemy Pokemon is now burned, confused, poisoned, their HP is brought down to 10, and you take five prize cards for free>5 energy: 100 damage, no additional effect
>>56039626Lugia. Add lots of search items and balls that discard. You can build for power with minccino+power energies (+20 atk per card), or go the amazing route with instant basic KO’ers and lots of special energy that do multiple energies
>>56039873Alternatively, you can be a complete asshole and look up that meta alolan raichu deck that either kills you in 1 turn or decks out in 1 turn
>first time playing archetype>have more energy than the meta version of the archetype>get down to 16 fucking cards remaining in my deck>only see 3 fucking energy cardsHow does this deck ever win tournaments?
>>56039499Giga Magnet is worse than Metal Maker for sure.
>>56040017your 4 superior retrievals anon?
>>56039834Name 3 cards.
>>56040017>first time playing it>gets mad because he doesn't understand it right awaySuperior Energy Retrieval + Chien Pao's ability and/or Super Rod in the late game gets you 6 Water Energy every turn. Radiant Greninja, Ultra Ball, Earthen Vessel, and Hail Blade itself fills the discard with energy. There's a reason it only runs 8-9. And just from the screenshot, you're running cards you don't need. Just copy the lists from Regional top 8s and play with that until you learn how it works.
>>56040071I wasted a bunch of them clearing my hand to draw cards with bibarel trying to find energy. They also wouldn't have helped me get any energy because I only found 3 put of the 28 cards I got through.
>>56040111>I wasted a bunch of them clearing my hand to draw cards with bibarel trying to find energyThey're the most important resource in your deck, you can't do that. Chien Pao should be getting you all the energy you need. Irida for Earthen Vessel if you have to.
>>56040101Credit card, library card, three of hearts.
I'm well aware that this is a serious w gimmick deck but could I make this work? It's not yet complete obviously but the main bones are there.Pokémon: 83 Revavroom ex OBF 1562 Beldum SIT 1171 Lumineon V BRS 402 Dunsparce PAL 1562 Varoom OBF 154 PH2 Dudunsparce TEF 1292 Varoom TWM 124 PH2 Metang TEF 114 PHTrainer: 172 Switch SVI 1942 Full Metal Lab TEF 148 PH2 Defiance Vest PAR 162 PH2 Earthen Vessel PAR 1632 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 1444 Arven PAF 2352 Pokégear 3.0 SVI 186 PH2 Leftovers MEW 1631 Hero's Cape TEF 1521 Forest Seal Stone SIT 1562 Rigid Band MEW 165 PH2 Vitality Band SVI 197 PH1 Falkner PAL 180 PH2 Professor's Research SVI 1902 Boss's Orders PAL 1722 Nest Ball SVI 1812 Ultra Ball SVI 196Energy: 18 Basic {M} Energy SVE 8Total Cards: 57
this nigga went second and used carminefuck this game
>>56040133I had no other choice than to waste them. Maybe the default CPex deck provided in the game is really dogshit.
>>56040522You can use Carmine at any point during the game, including your first turn going first. It doesn't have to be specifically only on your first turn.
>>56040575oh shit you are right
>>56040575that's not what the card says
>>56040579no no, he is rightthe first line is just a bonus, you can play it on your first turn as a bonus not a limitationit should read "only on your first turn" or something for it to work like i thought when i complained
>>56040579Yes, it is. It says "you may" use it on your first turn going first. It doesn't say anything about that being the only turn you can use it. After turn 1, it's just a worse Research.
>>56040586what an idiotic way to phrase thatwhy wouldn't you have it as >Discard your hand and draw 5 cards>If you go first, you may use this card during your first turn.in that order
>>56040598Because it means the same thing either way you arrange it. The bonus effect doesn't change if you put the primary effect first.
>>56040606
>>56040598That order wouldn't be valid as you have to discard your hand and draw 5 first. So if you were going first you wouldnt be able to do that to move onto the 2nd sentence
The Dusknoir package seems standard in Charizard now, every winning list is running it. I'm glad they decided Charizard wasn't doing enough damage and fixed the issue.
similar but different
>>56040764nice bird
>>56040764Thats a lot of 2 stage mons…
>>56040785It's no different than running the Bibarel line. Dusknoir is only there to give you the option to do an extra 130, you're most often just using Dusclops for 50.
>>56040764Not really. JPs just like using new cards. There used to be a bunch of greninja charizard lists around when that first released. Don't think much of it metawise so soon
>>56040799Greninja doesn't do anything for Charizard though. Dusclops fixes Charizard's poor early game damage by letting it do 260 on turn 2. You become the one in control of Burning Darkness's scaling.
>>56040810Greninja acted as the early game attacker while helping the consistency late game. Charizard could power up it's snipe attack too if you had the chance at multiprize kos. The combo had fine synergy. JPs just wanna experiment with new cards
>>56040833I'm glad you've dug your heels in, but you're wrong. Have a nice day, honey.
>>56040833i believe in mochi charizard
>>56040476Needs Town Store to get your Tools. Add Tool Box if you're feeling even more gimmicky.Falkner is trash. Max your Poffin and Ultra Balls count.You should only need 1 Vessel if you're running Metang. Maybe add Ciphermaniac if you want them energies.Good luck and have fun with Vroom. I'm also thinking about making a deck with him sometime.
Are the 70 HP bidoofs the go to for all decks running bibarel now?
Fug, is there a way to bulk exchange all of the unowned cards you've put into a deck?
>>56041608this would be a great addition
>>56041608I just wish you could favorite certain versions of a card. It's annoying having to scroll to the end just to pick the FA research I like usingSometimes it likes to default to some random ultra ball print you don't have the x4 of too. If you could set favorites it would always be the default result
>>56040598Because the current wording is fine if you aren't fucking illiterate.
we should have a judges only thread
>>56041275Cheers for the advice anon, I'll test this out later
>>56041514Yes, otherwise the Dragapult deck oneshots them on the bench. Anything 60 or below becomes a prize liability.
>>56041708We should have a literates only thread
>>56042020Yeah I've been feeling that as of late, unable to play a bidoof against them after turn 1.. Doesn't feel like there's much bench sniping anymore to need the manaphy effect currently
anyone else know this feel
>>56042070Gardevoir should still be running Vacuum.
Is regidrago worth the credits? It's one of the few vstar lines I didn't trade for on ptcgl before transferring. I'm mainly hesitant because it's rotating next but is it that good/fun now? I know there's that dragon set later this year.. so it really is tempting to craft them
>>56042119>I'm mainly hesitant because it's rotating nextThat's 10 months from now. If you want to try it, just go for it.
>>56042119Do people really struggle with credits? I have like 500k.
So what’s up with Kyreum? Is it a last attempt to revive lost zone decks? I didnt see any colress cards in the new set
>>56042177>to revive lost zone decks?Reread Kyurem. It's designed to kill them.
people can't fucking read ong...
>>56042187I'm starting to wonder if it's not just been a troll in here today. There's no way multiple people can be this illiterate with zero reading comprehension, right?
>>56042192> There's no way multiple people can be this illiterate with zero reading comprehension, right?You've never visited the official PTCGL forums or r*ddit have you? kek (Yes they're much worse)
>>56042192>>56042228or meet players IRL?seriously nobody reads the cardssome guy asked me for help with a prof's exam question that was could anhnihilape ex kill itself with its attack?I only said I can't tell you but hint it's opposite of gardevoirthen he confidently said well then he can't because I can kill my mons with gardevoir (he's played the deck before)15 minutes later he told me he got that question wrong lmao
This one retard I play with irl is insufferable about reading, he constantly asks what cards do or what their purpose are. Recently I played a Jamming Tower and he asked if it "just stopped his forest." I don't know what tools you run you fucking idiot. "How much damage do I need to do?" "What does that ex do?" Fucking read and do math, I'm not going to play the game for you. If he wasn't a literal autist I would have chewed him out by now.
>>56042258i get that when it's a new player i even enjoy helping them, but when it's the same fucking guy every week you just want to shove his deck into his face
>>56042258I've gone to a few in-person events and I always ask if I can pick up and look at one of their cards while they're taking their turn, seems much easier than stopping the game for them to explain their whole game plan every time I see something new.
>>56040111>>56040543Anon, did you miss that your primary attacker can pull two energies from the deck every turn it's in the active position?
>>56043285Yes, I did miss that while I was in the match. I was stuck with Baxcalibur in the active for a good number of turns, though. I could have pulled two energy in the turn of the screenshot I posted and maybe turned the match around there, but I forgot about the ability and I conceded.
>>56043415NTA, it sounds like you had a bad hand to start with, which is never fun, but you misplayed horribly. Also like the other anons have said, you've added extra stuff to your deck that you don't need. Get rid of the Iron Hands and Kyogre.
>>56043417Shouldn't Kyogre be pretty good for mons like Mimikyu?
>>56043417NTA, but I really like Kyogre. It's funny to snipe Mew/Squak and other mons>>56043424Greninja already does what Kyogre does with two attacks
>>56043424>>56043432Nah you got me tbf, Kyogre does look pretty fun and the downside of that attack works well with Bax.
>>56043432Right, I see what you mean.I was thinking Kyogre is good because it can take two prizes from a Squawkabilly ex, Mew ex, or a weakened Stage 2 ex, and returns energy to the hand, but I guess that also leaves it stranded in the active?
>>56043444Yes, Kyogre can be better than Greninja in some situations. For example, when you need two prizes to win the game and the opponent has a Mew on the bench.But if both attack twice, Greninja and Kyogre do 180 damage to two mons.You can play it if you want, but most lists don't run Kyogre
What Pokémon types have been encapsulated by each card energy type?>Colorless-normal-flying>Darkness-dark-poison-ghost>Electric-electric >Fighting-fighting-ground-rock>Fire-fire>Grass-grass-bug>Metal-steel-electric>Psychic-psychic-poison-ghost -dark-fairy>Dragon-dragon-miscellaneous
>>56043530You forgot>Water- Water- IceAlso, poison is a funny one because it's been three energy types. It was once in Grass, then in Psychic, and now they're Darkness.And what do you mean by miscellaneous? Every Dragon Pokemon is also Dragon type in the games. I can't think of a Dragon card that's not a Dragon type in the games.
>>56043530If you mean what I think you mean, electric hasn't been under metal outside of something like Magnezone that is also part electric. Dark has only been under darkness. Dragons were originally under colorless.
>>56043556>dragon energy type only applies to actual dragon typesI had Gyarados in mind, but I guess he never had a dragon type card.>>56043581I was thinking like Magnemite who was around before steel types were ever a thing being represented by Metal energy type in the cards. But I guess that only happened after the steel type was established.
>>56043556You forgot to include Lugia under water types.
>>56044230This and its legend pieces were weird, they just went fuck it let's make it a water. I can't really think of any other cases where the type was just wrong like that outside of deltas and type gimmicks.
>>56044476Deltas should come back
>>56044530They've been treating teras as the new deltas. A lot of them have the same type as their original delta I wanna see dual types coming back like the metal deltas or dark pokemon from gen3
>>56044542>dual typesI miss him.
>>56044550The split color on those XY ones was awful..I want to see these again where they blend the type colors, it looks very clean. Especially the dark ones. Those would look great with the new silver borders There was that upcoming team rocket set that got trademarked so maybe dark pokemon could return..
Why be two types when you can be five types with the help of some eeveelutions?
>>56044632Those eeveelutions were fun. I'd like to see them reprinted one day but with espeon/umbreon/leafeon too
>>56044639>BlisseyIt would be fun
Are there any cards in the history of the game that remove abilities of Pokemon that are in players' hands/deck/discard pile/prize cards?
>>56044860These blocked hand, field, and discard.
>>56044921So these allow Palafin ex to evolve normally in eExpanded, right? I guess my question is: does the coding in PTCGL allow it? It's even bugged beyond being playable in Standard, so maybe not?
>>56044998>does the coding in PTCGL allow it?The cards are too old to test it. Expanded is still SUM-on where they weakened that kind of ability.
Do we think there will ever be an Aceless format included in PTCGL?>>56045259Ah, okay. That would explain why I've never heard is anyone using that combo.
>>56044921Imagine if they reprint Hex Maniac.
>>56045591AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MY BIRB!Jokes aside, I like ability lock in a format. I think something like Garbotoxin is fine as long we have cards like Field Blower, but Ace Specs are the shiny new thing
>>56045610>Power DisabilitatorWhen this card is attached to a Pokemon, each Pokemon in play, in each player's hands, and in each player's discard piles has no abilities.If this card is in the discard pile, you can't put it back into your deck or hand.This should be pretty balanced. Like a Garbotoxin that can only be setup once.
>>56044921>>56045610Garbo would be fairly balanced in this format >Lost vacuum in every deck>FUCK ton of gust unlike the previous formats it was in>No float stone so it will always have at least a 2 retreat cost It's weaknesses can be exploited now more than they ever were
Design a card to help him back >A card that will automatic retreat a 30hp mon at the end of turn
>Purchase a booster box >only 1 dragapult exFuck this
>>56045976
Finally
>>56045976Ancient and future in general just need more support. Not more attackers. >If your active if a future mon, draw 3 cards>You may discard an ancient card from your hand, if you do draw 3 cardsSame concept as genesect but not as retardly broken, while playing into their deck archetype niches
>>56046063>Palafin for priority treatment to fix because it's the free deck>Meanwhile greninja, an actually meta card is left bugged still
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>>56045980They're $6, just buy them.
>>56046202Oh hey they added it on, the patch notes stopped at the jamming tower heroes cape before >>56028790I wonder if it will retroactively be fixed for the other broken cards like garchomp ex since that has the same exact issue greninja does
>>56046232Oh damn they actually fixed DTE discarding in general. I thought they'd overlook it and only fix greninja
>>56045991As an Acespec , maybe>>56046081Pic
>>56047609Duplicates are cool if none of them are prized and you haven't lost the game to iron hands by turn 3.>Get 4 charjabug in play, 1 ko'd, evolve another = 280 damage>Get 4 charjabug in play, 1 ko'd, evolve grubbin = 360 damage
>>56046580>When your pokemon die draw 3Nothing alike an engine. It's not doing shit for future currently and is only seeing some experimentation in ancient box, ultimately I see it being cut because you lose out on a 6 attack game having that on the benchAncient/future needs some dedicated engines. Even rapid strike had octillery and single strike had houndoom. Both had an op special energy too. Compare those archetypes+fusion strike to ancient/future now and ancient/future look fucking pathetic. There's zero synergy as of now. Like even future has a supporter than picks your next 2 draws, but has no future pokemon to draw the fucking cards
When's the last time they made a card that made you think "That's fucking broken", like objectively good? Maybe Charizard ex, but the last time I really got that feeling was with Mew and Genesect. Nothing else has really felt like it was designed to be that stupid on purpose since then.
>>56048306Besides trainers like prime and counter catcher, (gust shouldn't be so easy to do) I'd say charizard yeah. It's just way too overstated. >High hp >Scaling damage to ohko everything>Self reliant energy on evolutionIt fixes everything wrong with most stage 2s, the ones with high damage need annoying energy and/or conditions tyranitar/meow and the ones with cheap energy no conditions can't ohko anything like greninja/garchomp
>this deck beat me so it's broken
>>56048306Tag teams. I quitted when they announced pikarom.Other than that, Zoroark-GX. It was broken. Iirc, you had puzzle of time, special recharge, hex, and other stuff in the format.
>>56048358Discussing power levels of individual features of a card wasn't talking about the deck itself. It's a fact that charizard has more power put into the individual card than any other stage 2 ex. Hydrapple can accelerate 1 energy from hand each turn. Charizard can accelerate 3 from deck in 1 turn. Another comparison is garchomp who also does 180 at the start of the game has to attack to accelerate the 3 energy from discard. In a way a backloaded charizard for the same acceleration, but the damage does not scale into 200, even 300 range as the game goes on. It's clearly in a power level above other similar stage 2 ex printed cards
Two questionsIs there a way to prevent your cards from being sent to the Lost Zone? eg by Lost VacuumI have a deck which gets quite screwed by losing tools and doesn't have much room for energy retrieval, is Roseanne worth it?
>>56048681>Is there a way to prevent your cards from being sent to the Lost Zone? eg by Lost VacuumNope, it's very anti fun mechanic you can't interact with at all. I can't wait till it's gone next year >I have a deck which gets quite screwed by losing tools and doesn't have much room for energy retrieval, is Roseanne worth it?Not really, it's better off running more tools/energy instead if you can. There's not really any tool and special energy recovery in the format currently.
>zard bad
Regidrago is literally the BDIF and people just haven't found out.
>>56048931>and people just haven't found out.They will when we get the miniset in august. The new kyurem is retard in it. With a dragapult attack + that you can often win turn 3
>>56048306ADP
i blame teal ogerponevery single problem in this format stems from it
>>56048931No way dude. It's far too clunky and your ogrepons are sitting ducks.
>>56049079How is it clunky exactly
>>56049051>One of the best engines in the format accelerates grass>Meanwhile grass type decks are still fucking uselesskek
>>56049051>t. zard tard
>>56049155it enables gay ass big basic unga bunga braindead shit like raging bolt, not to mention the other gay ass shit like regi V like >>56048931 said WHILE DOING NOTHING TO HELP ACTUAL GRASS DECKS, THATS THE MOST OFFENSIVE PART I AM SEETHING
>>56049110I'm referring to drago's attack cost and retreat.
>>56049190In addition drago's attack and vstar power is somewhat inconsistent, which can become critical in early game.
>>56049190>>56049248lol
>>56049360State your objection.
>>56049170Smallbrain here, how does Teal Ogerpon enable Raging Bolt if it uses fighting and lightning energy?
>>56050058Raging bolt primarily wants to have a ton of energy on board to discard for it's attack (70 per discarded energy) It doesn't matter what type of energy, so the best partner for it ends up being ogerpon since it can get energy the fastest. The fighting/lighting can easily be done with the sada supporter+manual attachment So in the raging bolt deck you're not actually using the grass for any grass attackers, it's just for discard fodder to fuel attacks
Just updated TCG Live. Haven't played since last year. Which decks are good right now? I know Gardevoir is still good but that's what I was playing the last time I played so I'd like to build something different. What would you recommend?
>>56050070Oh, it's similar to Chien-Pao + Bax but you're not limited to water energy so you can use any energy accel or attachment. Gotcha.
>>56050191Pretty much. Ogerpon being a basic makes it faster and easier to set up compare to other energy spammers like bax or gardevoir. Less risky against them being boss'd and killed too since you can have multiple ogerpon at once
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>>56050173These are the "meta decks" right now https://limitlesstcg.com/decks?format=BRS-TWM&time=allWhile these are all the deck archetypes that are at least playable. Here you find the decks just under being tournament winning, as well as fun deckshttps://play.limitlesstcg.com/decks?game=PTCGSo just browse through them and see if any catch your interest.
>>56050906Thank you. May give Charizard a go
>>56050257The important question is, is it fun?
>match starts>waiting for opponent>waiting>waiting>defeat - you conceded Fucking what?
>>56051942YOU LOST
get on them ladsPKH-RGR4-VMJ-TXCPLM-NDZ9-9PG-2NYP4J-NTG4-6XH-TK9PQC-VQKT-RZ9-PRBPPN-RDP9-ZTN-MKGPVG-77VC-DX9-ZR2PQX-P2VJ-6ZN-22CPZM-LRBC-CTH-466
>>56051998>tfw always too late
>>56052056sorry lad, try thesePQD-QHNK-99V-ZX7P2D-Q2XB-JWD-DTWPJ4-RH7C-Y9R-CDDPVD-GRVD-ZVP-69Y (nice)PBB-DBTK-YQB-HCYPTR-76GZ-RYC-6KVPMH-74YC-D26-Z7JPNL-GNBR-ZHX-D97
>>56052169You're an absolute babe, anon
>>56052180have some morePNC-6PK2-CPJ-RLKPVR-NP62-DK4-YD9PNG-ML6G-D2G-ZBJPBM-Z6GN-9BZ-ZGKP9G-ZBKL-KWG-JHQPVX-TQXP-MXV-NPZPHX-WYT2-CCW-T29P2G-GVQT-477-MHG
>>56052190Ah, I was too slow for these, I'm technically working so I'm not refreshing the thread constantly. Keep posting if you've got them though, someone will be happy to get these.Are you opening a shitload of packs right now then?
>>56042228I thought you were exaggerating. You weren’t. Leddit OP asked whats the card was from. He never flipped the card around. And then this retard also never googled the retard
>>56052244Pic related
>>56052233Yeah, i had a box of paldea evolved at the weekendhere's the last onesPRB-JMZT-MLK-CVGP67-4MYN-GRK-2ZZPQD-VJYP-G6L-JXTP4W-CDMB-HD4-YM6PKZ-7W6J-QHY-NPTP26-WVXH-7QT-2BMPMV-LQ2V-VRH-XD2P6X-4NVJ-YRZ-KZBPG2-WGCV-X9J-HBHP2P-YZ2N-QPW-JTTPDK-KBB4-6JG-B6X
>>56052298United Wings bros!
>>56052298Drago S U R G E
>>56052247you can't be serious
I'm having problems with regidrago on ladder, I have 0% winrate against them with my blissey deck, surprisingly (one would think the matchup wouldn't be so bad). Should I tech a mimikyu or two? How does regi deal with it?
>>56052466>How does regi deal with it?Dragapult damage counters or using cologne. Some lists run giratina v or baby koraidon for their shred attacks, but most I see use cologne instead as the former mentioned mons don't do enough to ohko cornerstone ogerpon
>>56052604>ohko cornerstone ogerponDo you need to ohko the cornerstone? It has no chance of stalling against a regidrago 2hko through the V or mew-ex.
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>>56052763something too stupid to understand the deck list
>>56052763>What? You can't read the text?>You can't read what's written on the card that well, huh>Even though you're a card gamer
Terapagos and Friends – Colorless – HP90Basic Pokemon[C][C][C][C] Great Fellowship Adventure: 100x damage. This attack does 100 damage for each of your Pokemon.Weakness: Fighting (x2)Resistance: noneRetreat: 2Not a legal card. Would probably still lose against lost box / iron hands.
>>56052682Another issue with giratina/koraidon is they're basics, so there's a chance you lead with them and they're stuck on board. That's another reason to use cologne over them.Ohkoing cornerstone is great because they sometimes set up just that thinking you have no ways around it as there's no boss targets left, then you just drop a cologne on their ass and win instantly Also for kyurem 110 snipes when we get that in the upcoming miniset it means you can cologne boss a manaphy up
>>56052843Was there a promo card for the journeys anime?
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