>Reuniculus was supposed to be physical attacker not another Alakazam clone like Gardevoir and Gothitelle>Gigalith was supposed to be special attacker not another Golem clonehow would these two turned out if it happened?Zen Headbutt and Power Gem are weak, but it would be nice to actually use Hammer Arm on Reuniculus and Gigalith could spam Solar Beams I guess and why there's such discrepancy between pokedex and actual mechanics?
Because the battle design team or whatever the fuck it's called doesn't take dex entries into account.Game Freak's idea of balancing has been a disaster for Rock type Pokemon.
>>57163325>and why there's such discrepancy between pokedex and actual mechanics?Management made separate teams that don't talk to each other do them.
>>57163325I’ve said it before, but special gigalith was such a good concept that it became base form necrozma when they actually followed through on it.
>>57163325Same reason why Tinkaton's highest stat is special defense and its second lowest stat is attackThe people that assign stats, movepools, abilities, etc. to mons don't communicate with the mon designers
>>57163325GameFreak literally operates on groups who don't communicate with each other, that's why.It's also how you end up with Pidgeot being able to hit Mach 2 in lore but having mediocre speed, or Hitmonchan having "faster than a bullet train" punches that can tear through solid concrete, but having mediocre attack.
>>57163325Gen 5 lacked physical Psychics as it introduced Psyshock
>>57163325The romhacker Buffel Saft made a point of doing for Gigalith in their hacks (it also gets Dazzling Gleam in their hacks, but Elite Redux (which uses BS's Inclement Emerald as a base rom) culled it during their recent "movepool review".
>>57164680Robbed
>>57166690>Attack: 60 Boring mixed attacker
>>57164691>GameFreak literally operates on groups who don't communicate with each otherNice to know that even Game Freak themselves are fucked with shit decisions.
>>57169175lol
>>57163325>>57166690Reuniculus can also, as of 2.5, be a physical attacker. I really do hate some of the retarded 2.5 movepool changes though. The popular Pokemon are mostly fine, but the less popular Pokemon are all completely gutted for no fucking reason. That Wigglytuff tranny needs to go.
>>57170319>540 bst
>>57170343Reuniclus is very good, especially since you can make him a truly mixed attacker now, but every Pokemon in Emerald Redux is busted. The real question is why do the devs make most of the Pokemon as busted as Reuniclus, but then decide that other Pokemon aren't allowed to have any fun at all, with severely nerfed movepools and worse abilities.
>>57163325Reuniclus is known for Calm Mind; it has no Attack equivalent, so it would be instantly worse.Gigalith wouldn't have any gamechanging moves. It'd be just as lackluster as it is now perhaps. Not even Nihilego could make something of itself.
the worst offender is gourgeist
>>57164680While I get some of these I still have no idea how a dev looked at the stereotypical "little girl effortlessly wielding giant weapon" trope and made it physically weaker than most of the dex.
>>57171216>>57164680I disagree, it was balanced solely around its signature move. If tinkaton was any stronger it would one shot a lot of mons
>>57170538>would have been the first grass type with a special fire move that isn't some type changing normal moveRobbed
>>57171260Not really, 160 base power on its own, even with STAB + Tera, isn't that crazy.
>>57170319>The popular Pokemon are mostly fine, but the less popular Pokemon are all completely gutted for no fucking reasonROM hacks always have been a circlejerk around specific Pokemon.
>>57170538Wouldn’t be so bad if there weren’t two Grass/Ghost physical attackers in the same generation
>>57171370>ROM hacks always have been a circlejerk around specific Pokemon.Have you ever played this one though? A very good majority of the Pokemon are insanely good, even ones that you kinda wouldn't think would be good. But a few of them are just... not up to snuff compared to other Pokemon. And the 2.5 movepool "rebalancing" fucked over these Pokemon even more.
>>57170538I've been learning the ropes with modding lately and made Gourgeist into a special attack on a few games for testing, it's surprisingly really solid, went further and gave it Flash Fire instead of Frisk and it became such an incredibly versatile Pokemon, I will never understand why Gamefreak insisted it needed to be a physical attacker when a good chunk of it's moves are special and it doesn't even get access to Shadow Claw unlike Treevenant.
>>57171260Sure, but a pokemon literally only having one viable attack isn't very fun. 110 base attack + a 120 gigaton hammer would be roughly the same damage output without tinkaton having one trick.
>>57170319Damn, didn't realize they dumped 50 points into its attack, that's clean! I swear Elite Redux needs better documentation on which Pokemon got stat buffs, and what all the changes to moves and abilities are compared to vanilla. There's so many changes across the board even without factoring in the new abilities/megas/redux forms/convergents.And yeah, movepool review was disappointing and controversial. It was actually the opposite of what I thought it was. According to them it was to crack down on one-man-army mons and priority abusers, but I feel like too many mons got caught in the crossfire too, like I was looking forward to using Stone Axe Armaldo, Leech Blade Ceruledge...Worst part is that the game got close sourced a while ago, so we can't even change shit ourselves anymore.On the plus side, recently learned Secret Power got made into a physical Hidden Power clone, and both got boosted to 80 power. So every mon gets at least one free coverage move of their choice, it's something. Srry4textwall lol
>>57171878>According to them it was to crack down on one-man-army mons and priority abusersCuriously enough, this punished weak Pokemon and not strong Pokemon.
>>57163325both would be worse for it. luckily for them they both have traits that make them stand out enough to still be unique despite their stats
>>57171260"..."
>>57171878>>57171892Yeah, the shitty part is that a lot of the better and/or more popular mons stayed mostly the same, but the less popular mons (with abilities that already aren't that great) got shafted. I will always point to Kabutops for this, because I like Kabutops he's just always bad. In 2.2, he had a Perfectionist set that gave him multiple STABs. In 2.5, he lost Water STAB for Perfectionist (Spike Cannon). There's not fucking reason for this to have occurred. Kabutops is already bad compared to pretty much any other Pokemon you could be using. He has Perfectionist as one of his selectable abilities. Why the fuck would you nerf a Pokemon that isn't even that great? Why even give him Perfectionist as an option if you clearly don't want him to be played that way? Meanwhile, for most other Pokemon, they have a viable "playstyle set" for all of their Ability options. Once again, the Wigglytuff tranny needs to go and stay go. This is apparently all they/them's doing. It's a single player Pokemon game. Why the fuck even cares about OP Pokemon? Instead of one person having the power to wrongly nerf every Pokemon indiscriminately, allowing for massive oversights in instances, the movepool readjustments should have been targeted solely at whatever individual Pokemon they considered to be problems. >so we can't even change shit ourselves anymore.You *could* download the debug one and create the moveset you want, but that takes forever and, like, if you're having to edit movesets to actually be good, there's definitely just a different and better Pokemon you could be using in stead with no hassle. That's the most retarded part. If a mon that was "OP" got their movepool nerfed... you're just going to use a different mon if it really comes down to it.
>>57171960>Why the fuck would you nerf a Pokemon that isn't even that greatIf I wanted to see weak Pokemon get nerfed I'd play an official Pokémon game by Game Freak, not a ROM hack or a fan game.If I had the time and patience I'd make my own ROM hack. No Smogon shit, no edgy hack-job "story", no self-inserts, ALL weak fully evolved Pokemon are buffed with no exceptions, fossil Pokemon are no longer Rock type,
>>57171939The difference here is that Bloodmoon is a Pokemon you have to buy DLC to obtain natively, whereas Tinkaton only requires the base game.
>>57163325pretty common phenomenon
>>57171260Ok cool anyways here is a mon with Tinkaton's base attack stat and access to spammable 120+ BP STAB moves with no recharge turnAnd it's not even fully evolved kek
>>57172078Literal pay to win(without hax or trading with someone who does have the DLC)
>>57172063>If I had the time and patience I'd make my own ROM hack. No Smogon shit, no edgy hack-job "story", no self-inserts, ALL weak fully evolved Pokemon are buffed with no exceptions, fossil Pokemon are no longer Rock type,pick two
>>57171505Based
>>57163325GameFreak has been filled with a lack of proper team cohesion since Gen 5.
>>57166690What if all Pokemon hit like trucks so it was do or die on whomoved first via speed. every. fucking. time.Imagine being worse at balance than game freak, couldn't be me.
>>57173895Since day one, you mean. Refer to >>57164691
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Lol
>>57170319>That Wigglytuff tranny needs to go.dont be dissin my nigga
>>57175198Rocket Tag is the peak of game design.
>>57177501Still dunno who this Wigglytuff person is, but the latest ER update had a an Apex and "Primal"(? I forgor) Wigglytuff form, plus two custom megas.
>>57179321The person who was in charge of the movepool review
>>57163325Gigalith has always been able to learn Solar Beam (plus Power Gem + Flash Cannon). It's noted in the Dex entry not because it's optimal, but because it's weird for a Rock type to be able to do that at all. Still dumb to give a Pokémon a selling point that players can't really use, but there isn't any lore conflict.Meanwhile>They use psychic power to control their arms, which are made of a special liquid. They can crush boulders psychically.It's one of the few Pokémon in Gen 5 that learns Psyshock by level up, a special move which deals physical damage.
>>57163325Give it like 90 SpAtk tops, but also Solar Power as one of its abilities so that it gets boosted beyond its Atk in sunlight.>Although its energy blasts can blow away a dump truck, they have a limitation—they can only be fired when the sun is out.>When it fires off energy with all its might, the power creates countless fissures on its body.
>>57163325Agreed.
Reuniclus isn't an Alakazam clone, wtf
