>Explains how the issues in modern pokemon have existed forever>Explains how it's the corporate Nintendo's fault and their shitty rules that the game is bad and not Gamefreak/Masuda/Ohmori>Explains how the franchise always had bad designed mons, even in Gen 1 and that GF never adopted a new design philosophy>Explains how the shift to 3D isnt the start of the downfall of Pokémon, but it just exacerbated and highlighted existing problems>Explains how the games always had cut corners, even in 2D Pokémon and proves it by showing proof that the idle animation in gen 5 are just illusion of trad sprite animation>Explains how GF has always recycled designs and gives concrete proof of it (the sprite of Anorith, Lairon)>Explains how GF has never made the 3d Pokémon models>Explains how replacing GF with another company wont change anything>Explains how PBR ripped assets from Nintendo 64 models>Explains how major battle (ie champions) never flopped and gives proof of it>Explains how every Pokémon game weren't good at the first try and only got good in their third release>Explains how Pokémon has always been shit>Explains how no one knows when pokemon fell off and has always been ambiguousWhere is YOUR evidence to back up your ridiculous claims about your modern Pokémon games arguments? By all means, watch the whole video, I promise you that you can't debunk it.>inb4 i get told to shut the fuck up by someone who hasn't watched the video and is triggered by these FACTS>inb4 someone calls me a gamefreak shill>inb4 someone calls me a zoomer>inb4 someone uses anecdotal evidence>inb4 someone says that im wrong>inb4 someone calls me a cuck>inb4 someone says "ywnbaw">inb4 "muh sharty">inb4 "muh slide thread">inb4 "sage" because /vp/tard is triggered by a different opinioni'm open to having my mind changed. but only with reliable sources that explain why Pokémon games look like what it is now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A7sRX53_LA
*BRAAAAAAAAAAAAP*
>>57203140if there's one thing i despise more than modern GF it's arrogant ecelebs using clickbait garbage to seriously try to convince people that the game they’ve always loved is somehow bad because of arbitrary definitions. idgaf what gens you like, just please, you’re not stupid, use your brain to think about why you like or dislike something. don’t let those faggots have any kind of relevance.
>>57203140Pay for a fucking ad you retard
Odd game. I like the game concept for the most part, but this is the most corny and childish pokemon game I have ever played. It's kind of painful to get through. Does it ever get better or is it constant hand holding, silly dancing, and petting pokemon?
>>57203203i wonder what's the point of this thread
>>57203140>NasuHuh?
reminder that johto hate is astroturfed
>>57203203What if I already know the point of this thread?
>>57203140tl;dr pokemon was never good (trvth)
>>57203263The first 5 gens keep getting astroturfed to hell
>>57203140>>Explains how the issues in modern pokemon have existed foreverstopped reading here, this is XYfag logic. No the games USED to be good, sorry. If you can't defend your game without having to put down other games or cite nostalgia glasses then your game is ass.
>>57203263Always loved these side views of towns from the GBA days. Are these from a spinoff or are they fanart?
>>57203140Didn't you make this same thread like 2 years ago who SV came out?..Nasu if this is you then you're really fucking pathetic for reposting your own content
>>57205453nta but yeah they're official, they're from pokemon puzzle challenge (the gbc game)
>>57205235>No the games USED to be goodbait
>>57203140Not watching your thesis.I already know all this shit, but you can't change the minds of genwarring faggots.
>>57205235You can't go "DA GAMES USED TO BE GOOD" and then proceed to screech about how XY is bad because of problems all the games before XY already have. Pick one.
>>57205923Every XYfag refuses to genwar with Gens 1, 2, and 3 so clearly they don't.
>>57205923XY is explicitly bad because it brought in 3D.
>>57203140>eceleb obsesserbased
>>57206016>XY is explicitly bad because it improved the games???
>>57203140I don't think we're thinking of the same Nasu
>>57206041And why would anyone want to engage with takes as bad as yours?
>>57203140>>Explains how the issues in modern pokemon have existed foreverThe problem isn't that the issues haven't existed forever; it's that they haven't been fixed
>>57206168old games didn't suck
>>57206016And why would anyone want to engage with takes as bad as yours?
>>57206176People talk like the Physical/Special split was god's gift to Earth but honestly, it just fundamentally broke the meta and permanently removed the first intentions for how certain pokemon should be played. They felt okay with this because they had already broken down how Special worked but that all fit in with how the pokemon's designs worked. Alakazam should not be worse at throwing special powered punches than Machamp that's some goddamn bullshit.
>>57206252based
>>57203140>>Explains how the issues in modern pokemon have existed forevernot on this level>Explains how it's the corporate Nintendo's fault and their shitty rules that the game is bad and not Gamefreak/Masuda/Ohmoriand?>Explains how the franchise always had bad designed mons, even in Gen 1 and that GF never adopted a new design philosophythis is not about design, but artstyle. classic sugimori artstyle > generic anime artstyle>Explains how the shift to 3D isnt the start of the downfall of Pokémon, but it just exacerbated and highlighted existing problemsnot on this level>Explains how the games always had cut corners, even in 2D Pokémon and proves it by showing proof that the idle animation in gen 5 are just illusion of trad sprite animationnot on this level>Explains how GF has always recycled designs and gives concrete proof of it (the sprite of Anorith, Lairon)not on this level>Explains how GF has never made the 3d Pokémon modelsand?>Explains how replacing GF with another company wont change anythingI bet your wife's bull is happy>Explains how PBR ripped assets from Nintendo 64 models>comparing mainline game to cheap spin-off>Explains how major battle (ie champions) never flopped and gives proof of itand?>Explains how every Pokémon game weren't good at the first try and only got good in their third releaseat least third versions > SS and SV with DLC >Explains how Pokémon has always been shitKamala lost>Explains how no one knows when pokemon fell off and has always been ambiguousfgt
>>57203140I don't know who the hell Masu or whatever is and I'm not reading all that but yes, it's correct, Pokémon games have always been subpar in basically everything compared to the concurrent industry standardsThe graphics were always bad, all games are full of glitches and questionable performance, the storytelling was always terrible and lazy compared to basically every other JRPG, and so onPeople just don't see these flaws cause they start playing when they're children, and when they "grow up" they suddenly see how the newest games are bad, but do not revisit the games they played before and think they are superior games when they are not if you look at it critically
>>57206473It's a repost: https://arch.b4k.co/vp/search/text/5A7sRX53_LA/
>>57206488I see, well either well what I said is true no matter what OP/some YouTube attention whore said
>>57206473that's the reason you're wasting you're time here?stop overrating other jrpgs
>>57206550What do you mean with reason?And no, Pokémon objectively has bad writing compared to other JRPGs, and I say that as someone who doesn't even like them. You'd literally have to pay me money to make me play Persona 5, no joke
>>57206555Gen 5, 7, 9 don't have worse writing than generic DQ garbage, first few FFs or the average jrpg, trust me
>>57206567Yeah I would say those gens are fine in terms of writing, especially gen 9 is actually pretty goodHowever, the thing is that people consistently praise the older games, including the story, and say they're better than the new games which is obviously not true, they were actually even worse than nowSo just to be clear, I'm actually agreeing with you, all I meant to say is that the older games were never good but people delude themselves they were, including the story
>>57206592Sorry for being rude but pokemon fans are often split between idolizing or hating everything. i think the older games excelled in level design and small details like hoenn’s trick house or the game corner, it feels like modern games gained some things but lost those strengths, i agree that older games were generally inferior to other jrpgs of their time, but saying "pokemon was never good" in an absolute sense is ridiculous imo. other jrpgs turn out disappointing when you actually play them (sure, there are great ones like some FFs or Persona but they’re exceptions), overall i’d say pokemon is slightly above average.
>>57206663Yeah, maybe I should rather say "Pokémon always had pretty grievous flaws" or "it was always subpar industry standards altogether", but the things that are flawed vary slightly with each genIt's just that a lot of people refuse to see flaws in the older gens, and believe that only the newer games have them. To be fair, I think it's also because of the state and climate of the internet. People are much more online than they were 20 years ago, so you wouldn't see as many people shitting on the current game online back thenThese days everyone and their grandma has access to the internet, and negative opinions give more engagement (either in form of people being mad or people wanting to circlejerk). That's why you see a lot negative opinions on the newer games, and people who never played the games just blindly believe that criticism to be valid SV especially falls victim to this because it does LOOK bad, so it's VERY easy to get into this hate circlejerk of people who never played it and can't judge the game as a whole rather than just the graphics and performance (the must surface level shit you could possibly judge a game by)
>literally just a copy and paste from the /vp/ trolling tactics page
