What is soul? How can they get it back?
In ordinary terms, soul means effort and creativity.In Pokemon terms, soul means looking primitive for its time
>>57280879>What is soul? A meaningless buzzword>How can they get it back? They never had it to begin with
>>57280879no
>What is soul?The commonly accepted definition of "soul" is when a game developer puts stuff in the game that does objectively nothing in terms of gameplay, but is a very cute piece of attention to detail that tells the players that the devs spent time crafting the game, not pushing it out to meet deadlines or something.I think the best example is in the Unova games where just about every town had an NPC standing around playing music, and if you spoke to them, their instrumentation would be added to the BGM, which would then get louder or quieter the closer or farther you got from them. This culminates in Village Bridge where the entire town joins into a song and is one of the like...single digit number of vocal ingame tracks in the entire franchise.There are a million other tiny examples someone can point to, following Pokemon having unique interactions based off of where they are in HGSS, Lorelei adding more plushies to her room after each defeat in FRLG, ORAS letting your Pokemon Mega Evolve on the main stage in a Contest after you max the audience's hype. Stuff that's objectively not very important, and easy to miss, but leaves a big impression on the people who happen to find it, that's how I'd define soul, at least.>How can they get it backI think that requires 2 things.1. caring about whatever they make2. having the time to put the extra touches in placeI want to believe that GF still cares about the games, and they're just being hurried by TCPI to push out titles, but honestly Pokemon has been in this awful corporate state for so long that it just sounds like copium at this point.
>>57280920The fact the overworld Pokemon do have unique interactions in SV leads me to believe the soul is not completely gone but GF are either being crunched or are too incompetent for more
>>57280879go back to 2d>its not that simpleit literally is
>>57280879make it look old and shitty
>>57280879Remove 3dslop.
>>57280879Unironically, make a game like SWSH, but remove the wild area
>>57280885>looking primitive for its timethat applies to every Pokèmon game ever made
>>57281434Where would we hunt Pokemon
>>57280896Grim.
>>57280879by not being a multi-billion dollar conglomerate
Go back to the original tile-based, top down style with modern graphics, instead of trying and failing to be an open-world console game.
>>57280928SV is weirdly polished in some aspects and then complete shit in others, it's a game with such a lopsided focus it was definitely rushed to fuck
>>57280953What's even stopping them from going back? People only clamored for 3D because of higher expectations. Now, no one would be upset if they went back to their original roots. Maybe then some semblance of quality would return.
>>57281604>Now, no one would be upset if they went back to their original rootsanon, both SwSh and SV broke sales records for the franchisethe majority of consoomers love their modern pokeslop and would see a return to 2D as a downgrade
>>57281604>What's even stopping them from making the games dramatically worse for literally no reason?
>>57281628basically this, casuals don't care about the game's quality, they just play it and move on, sad
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>>57280879DS shit was hardly soul
>>57281485They already tried that, everyone hated it.
>>57281604casuals dont know what soul is and use better graphics as a benchmark for how much a game has advanced
>>57281655they outsourced it to retards that did it in the laziest and cheapest way possible
>>57281660on purpose by the way, because game freak doesn't want people to think any other studio could do a better job making a pokemon game than them
>>57281655people hate BDSP bc it's the most blatant moneygrab ever, there is hardly even an attempt made for it to be a respectable product but they put it out because they know their fans are cattle who will buy it anyway.But from a gameplay perspective, as a "back to basics" return to form? It's not that bad.
>>57281660ILCA also made this, it was GF's fault for not allowing them any creative freedom since it was meant to be a faithful remake
>>57281671i always thought the BDSP battle backgrounds looked quite good
>>57281671There had to have been some sabotaging with BDSP lol. Their leaked memo showed GameFreak themselves never intended in to do a proper Sinnoh remake, so for them to outsource it like that, send Masuda in so everything is "faithful", and only give the devs 18 months is fucking retarded.
>>57281604go the dragon quest route and make 2d a toggable visual mode
>>57281679ILCA is decent at graphical stuff, a lot of their support work was stuff like cutscenes
>>57281628>anon, both SwSh and SV broke sales records for the franchiseThey could make literal shit and it'd still sell. Hell, SV was a buggy mess and it still sold well. At most, they'd have to add a HD filter like this to satisfy casuals. I doubt most are hailing pokemon as a AAA experience regardless.Just slap the next gen sticker + convincing pixel graphics and you're set.>57281635Can it yawnfag wannabe
>>57280879>Didn't play SOULsilverNot a real gamer.
>>57281681especially when ILCA was willing to make something like this
>>57281681Can't have history repeating itself.
>>57281488Ohmori's heart seems to be in the right place, his directing skills however are not enough to handle the scope he wants the games to have.
>>57281848He can't smile or the bros would goof on him later.
>>57281604why not just make 2d downgrade meme versions for like 20 bucks and release them a year after the 3d ones?
>>57280920>attention to detailYou could sum up this entire post with these three words
>>57281604Got really ugly in gen 3 and im happy they dropped this style. Only gen 1 and 2 look goof.
>>57281934Really, Pokemon is a big enough franchise that it could support both mainline 3D games and "retro" 2D side-games, ala Mario. They can do their casual gimmick mainstream noob-friendly 3D dogshit in the "main" series while catering the 2D games to cranky old boomer competitive nostalgia fags.
>>57281848He's really just a bad director. Say what you will about Masuda sanding down the edges on every Pokemon game he directed compared to the earlier games (and even compared to DP in the case of BDSP), but aside from BDSP and arguably DP they were all more or less fine games in every aspect, just really consistent products. Ohmori is so all over the place in some of the worst ways that it's hard to ignore, and when his best performance is SM with all the constant unskippable cutscenes and mediocre map design choices that apparently came out of an incredibly troubled development his ass can't cash the checks Masuda wrote (seriously Masuda, why go for simultaneous annual releases the moment you move to 3D, a notoriously hard transition for game developers, and then abandon the series to somebody else?).
>>57281672>back to basics" return to formI have no respect for when companies do stuff like that to excuse being cheapMegaman 9 and 10 touted "nostalgia" to excuse them making NES-level graphics
>>57282055Even a smaller, stand alone expansion style game on the same engine would be a overall better experience. Although arguably that's what the Legends games are, but far more experimental and high budget (there's arguments that LA is better than SV, even if I strongly dislike both).
Soul this soul that soulless here soulless there... Why don't you bitchless go outside and find a SOULmate instead?
Pokemon fans don't want soul.
>>57281604>What's even stopping them from going back?The average slop consumer
>>57281604Executives. "New thing good/old thing bad" is about all they understand of what products they're invested in. That and the myth of "infinite growth." If there was a way to do so and rake in tons of money, they'd have tied the whole franchise to a Soulsborne scenario or a fucking FPS battle royale format, they'd have done it. At this point, keeping to whatevers new tech keeps 12-year-olds interested and the "established fanbase" who paid their mortgages become the icing on the profit-margin cake. We age out, but there will always be more kids with no understanding of quality or value.>>57280896I've read this like three fucking times and it makes ZERO sense.
>>57281848The point of being a director is tard wrangling your employees to work efficiently and effectively.Anyone, even the autistic anons here, can be the "ideas guy" who thinks of new things for the game. If you can't execute that then you're a shit director, simple as.
>>57282102really i just enjoyed a pokemon game that didn't have some gay new gimmick to learn & a bunch of recolored or retextured "forms" running around.
>>57280879through Jesus the Christ, the savior of souls of course.
>>57281714i'd rather have a feature-rich remake than a barebones "prequel" spinoff like PLA or ugly chibi shit like BDSP.
>>57282251>what if a woman lost her husband and went insane and abused her kids but she still loves themvs>lol what if the literal cult from the last game returned with a weapon of mass destruction and committed terrorism also the bad guy becomes a vegetable at the endI like Alola and all but holy fuck I love Unova
>>57282337not to mention the whole subplot with the mind controlled Purrloin. The b2w2 story is unlike anything else really, you get the feeling he watched a lot of anime while overseeing it.
>>57282337>>57282367I feel both can work, but that would require effort, and we know GF has the same effort like a Slakoth trying to run away from an obvious group of murderous women that killed his kin in front of him.
>>57281448On the different routes, caves, forests, etc, where they belong.Just like the old games
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>>57280928>the soul is not completely gone but GF are either being crunched or are too incompetent for moreSwSh had this too in places. The wild area had atrociously ugly and reused models, but had unique clouds that would cast accurate shadows on the ground and deform properly on the geometry. It's like they had one guy who just went all in on making the clouds look amazing, but the rest of the environment team phoned it in.
>>57282932I don't know if it's simply Ohmori sucks at being a director or if GF is being crunched by TPC and Nintendo or if they have a talent problem or a mix of all the above but there clearly needs to be some sort of restructuring going on over there (it won't happen because the games still sell like gangbusters and give a bunch of merch to sell so the line keeps going up)
>>57280879>good designs>good artstyle>good music
>>57282090>and then abandon the seriesdid he abandon the series or did the BBND drama catch up to him and force Nintendo to Miyamoto his ass and fake-promote him to a position where he's actually less involved and less capable of doing harm
>>57281672I like BDSP better than any of the games past Gen 7. Arceus is the one exception.
>>57282227>pokemon games will have a battle pass in our lifetimesGRIM
Gen 4 was the last time Pokemon games had any soul in them.Last games set in "Japan," last games without DEI character designs. Like yeah, gen 5 was still ok, but it was when Pokemon began becoming less Pokemon, and felt like a soft reboot of the franchise.Unfortunately we're never going back. It's just going to be more "tourism region + gimmick of the gen" slop that has been the norm since gen 6.
>>57282141whats soul about this? the 2d visuals?
>>57282865>he has to compress Gen 5 to make it looks badKEK>>57284604Yes.
>>57284604The dynamic music, play the game
>>57281705I've never seen this before. This is infuruating. Gayfreak are nigger faggots.
>>57284853>only 5% of the image is soulful since literally everything other than the NPCs is 3D
>>57285908I didn't say ONLY the 2D, anon. Read carefully!
>>57281604I mean, I believe even 3d could be soulful but gamefreak cannot and will not put in the effort. I think Pokemon would look great with a cell shaded look but then GF will claim they need to redo models and animations AGAIN
>>57286648I'm not disputing that, and I used to be one of the biggest 3D advocate. It's just a matter of fact that GF themselves will never deliver up to that expectation.
>>57286648>I think Pokemon would look great with a cell shaded lookSword and shield did looks great
>>57287032Artstyle was, but not much else.
>>57281705what gamefreak took from us
>>57280879By abandoning their shitty 3D models entirely or actually becoming good at them (this is unlikely given how much time already passed).It's clear the devs were better at 2D.
