Ilios Region teaser editionNotable Games:>pastebin.com/H1KdYApRROM Hacking:>Making a GBA ROM hack: pastebin.com/bvSkBkev>Gen 4-7 tools: pastebin.com/WvTzcdPR>Disassemblies/Decompilations: github.com/pret/>US Platinum source: github.com/gainax3/retsam_00jupcPokémon Essentials>V21.1: https://www.mediafire.com/file/7o3yjnuxniojmad/Pokemon_Essentials_v21.1_2023-07-30.zip/file>V21.1 Hotfixes: https://eeveeexpo.com/resources/1376/>RPGMaker XP and others: https://archive.org/download/rpg.-maker.-mz.v-1.1.1.-inclu.-dlcAssets:>Tilesets: www.mediafire.com/download/sd99pug37y4v4se/Ziddy%27s+DS+Style+Tilesets+RMXP+.rar>Archived asset library: rheg.booru.org/>WIP Gen 5 tiles: imgur.com/a/CiudSNotable fan game communities: >www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=289>https://eeveeexpo.com/last thread: >>57215836
Currently doing a New Game+ in Polished Crystal, it's trivialized because NG+ imports all your boxed mons but still cool to bring over some late-game ones like Porygon to use right off the bat>>57282839I swear I'm the only one here who actually likes Seaglass/Lazarus' graphics
>>57282874certainly looks better than vanilla gen2
>>57282874I'd suck Seaglasses dick any day if the dev had found a way to not have that ugly blinking at every turn
there are more rom hacks using beta pokemon aside from that gold 97?
Finally finished my map of Birch Town.How does it look?>inb4 kys davidIf you don't have anything to say about my maps, then don't say anything at all.
>>57283152kys david
>>57283152Utterly boring. I can see how you're churning these out so quickly.
>>57283152>>57283207>Utterly boringthis. I hate that I'm giving you attention David - you don't deserve it. but god, this is bland. it's completely lacking in character. this is something someone would make after a few days in the program, and you've been doing this for what, 5 years now? stick to your fakemon dude.
>>57283417Is that so? What would you do to make it look interesting?
>>57282886If he wasn't a fag and released his source code, that would be easily fixable.
>>57283429no. that's all you're getting. you've received more than enough feedback over the years, that if you can't put the pieces together by now, you're never going to.
>>57283152>harbour with ships in it>walled off by rocksReplace those with some sort of artificial barrier that could be opened. If you're feeling spicy you can have NPCs talking about how it's closed because the sea is stormy and have it open up at some point in progression.>>57282874Seaglass is a fine product for what it is even if it's not my preference, but the white outlines kill it for me and the art style is clashing in some places. But I think the issue is mostly that some people are tired of seeing it sucked off as a masterpiece when past the graphics it's literally just another fucking Emerald QoL. Like christ, at this point Moemon is a better Emerald rom than most of what people recommend, at least it actually changes things.
>>57283717>Moemonlol
>>57283717>some people are tired of seeing it sucked off as a masterpiece when past the graphics it's literally just another fucking Emerald QoLEvery rom hack that gets sucked off is just another Emerald or Fire Red QOL hack.
any post-galactic romhacks, or ones that have you as best grunts?
>>57283739Some of them aren't. Unbound and Gaia both have shooters.>>57283725I don't know what they were smoking when they put the level cap on gym 2 at 20 and the immediate next fight with an ace at 24, but it's nice to have a game that actually feels somewhat challenging and has noticeable changes to the level design, even if it suffers from encounter bloat.
>>57283849Unbound and Gaia don't get nearly the same attention of something like Radical Red.
the masses want something easy to digest, so they prefer the equivalent of MgRonald's wise so it's still the same general feeling. Pretending that adding mayo (qol/"difficulty" in this case) on top of it somehow makes it spicieronly a small minority of the already small group that plays hacks and fangames want something that takes effort to both produce and play, it also does not help thay nowadays most devs just want youtuber clout rather than making a game they are proud of
>>57283852Depends on where you look.
>>57282839Why is it called Lazarus if it's supposed to be Greek?
>>57283989Lazarus is the Greek version of the name, I guess? Still weird to throw in a religious reference in a title.
Did a slight Sunflora rework>HP: 75 -> 105 (+30)>ATT: 75>DEF: 55>SpA: 105 -> 115 (+10)>SpD: 85 -> 95 (+10)>Speed: 30 -> 60 (+30)>Total: 425 -> 505>Evolution: Sun Stone -> Friendship>Now learns Solar Beam upon evolvingThis converts Sunflora to something resembling a gen 2 Gyarados, with Sunkern being dead weight (will receive +10 to HP, DEF, SpD) until you invest effort into it, giving you a decent midgame bomb that scales into the late game. Also thinking of giving it Drought, but that seems overturned and Chlorophyll is now usable with the speed buff.Also overhauled the move pool a bit but that early solar beam is a core piece.Trash or passable?
>>57284201Give it Flamethrower and Fire Blast.
>>57284024Lazarus is the name of a Hebrew character in the New Testament.
>>57284208I was thinking heat wave and dazzling gleam instead, the other two seem excessive and borderline fanfic-y
>>57284201Give it a custom move/ability to stand out. Something that takes advantage of Sunny Day would be most fitting.
>>57284201An +80 stat increase is not a slight rework
>>57280097>dragon wasn't a problem until they introduced the phys/spec split and multiple choice items. Undo all the retarded cancer gen 4 added and there's no need for a fanfiction homosexual pink typeftfy
>>57284212Yes, nonny, hence the second part of my post, but Lazarus is the Latin version of the ancient Greek Λάζαρος, as opposed to the Hebrew version which is romanised as ʾelʿāzār. Also, it's the name of two different characters, learn your Bible info.
>>57284340I still don't get what it has to do with PokeGreece.
>>57284257NTA, honestly I know some people don't like fakemons that much but if I ever make a fangame/hack I'm not touching stats-typing-move distribution and any perceived needed buffs I'll handle with regional variants or new evos. Altering existing mons just feels way too fanficy to me, not to mention some people seem to forget some mons are supposed to be weaker than others and that at lower levels you're meant to have weaker moves. I've seen one too many roms handing out 70 to 90 bp moves before the second gym as supposed QoL. GF isn't great at balance but it seems everyone who thinks they're better is even worse at understanding pokemon games.
>>57284360I don't know, Anon, that's why I added a question mark. Please read posts in their entirety before you reply.
>>57284368Most hacks/fangames inherently have that fanfic feel to them so drawing a line at the stats is silly to me. As long as all the changes aren’t just Adaptability and minded stats, go ahead.
>>57284390*minmaxed
>>57284390My inner autism prevents me from doing it. It's an entirely personal taste thing.
>>57283173this
>>57284394Doesn’t make sense to me but to each their own
>>57283152>boats>locked in that small puddle between the rocksliteral retard designed this
>>57282839I hate white outlines
>>57282907Several. But Peridot is the only one you need.
>>57284562Peridot only has a few of them.
>>57284594The good ones, yeah.You're only looking for romhacks using the same dex as Gold 97?
>>57284212>zoomzooms never heard of LazarusGrim shit indeed.
>>57284600It doesn't even have the cool Pinsir evo.
>>57284614Wait a minute, you're right. wtf Peridotanon?
>>57284611>Zoomie can't read more than one sentence
Is giving Grapidash a mega with wings and Sunny Day too on the nose?>>57284397It's also a communication thing. There's no easy and elegant in-game way to let players know the mons they're already familiar with are now different and making people read documentation is cringe, but if the mons are visually different that'll get players curious.
>>57284644>to let players know the mons they're already familiar with are now differentThis is a big part of why I play hacks in the first place so this is fine with me. Hacks like Inclement Emerald have all the information you’d need in the Dex itself rather than outside resources.
>>57284657>not cutting the bloatex entirely from your gameNgmi.
>>57284663Ok
>>57282907>>57284614Tourmaline has it and a few others. It just got a 6 gym update.
>>57284657Yeah but you still need to check them individually and wonder if they were changed, which I find innately tedious. Even worse if it's a type change on an evo while the pre-evo is the same (largely done to shitmons who you wouldn't evolve in the first place without knowing the evo was buffed), or with learnset and ability changes. Regional variants are a convenient visual shorthand for "this thing is different" so the player knows what's the same and what isn't.
>>57283152Fuck off David A Schinkel JR, you fucking nigger pedophile https://archive.org/details/childish-dad-rapes-emma-arrestedhttps://files.catbox.moe/ef0f2e.mp4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gWV19OGFXU
>>57284684>Yeah but you still need to check them individually and wonder if they were changedIt’s barely any time to scroll through the Dex and most people are using a handful of Pokemon. Regional variants have various levels of changes from the original. Some share everything but the type while others have different play styles. Regional variants also tend to be be downgrads in terms of design so I’d rather deal with the 10 seconds of opening a Dex than seeing a Fakemon
>>57284702That's, like, your opinion, man.
>>57284721Yeah that’s how those tend to work
>>57284257Semantics. The scope of the work is small, therefore to me it is slight.
>>57284699You mad bro?
>>57285011>to youCool but it’s still not a small rework
>>57285017Ok
>>57285075K
Doing some work on restoring beta mons for my project. I have a few others done but these are probably the most presentable.
>>57285096>wolfman fur isn't white>eel thing is way too darkI could nitpick more, but those are the most grievous flaws IMO.
>>57284699And fuck you too stalker
>>57285867No, child. That information was put out all on your own.
>>57284699>>57285867>>57285906What's with Pokemon fangame makers that has them on one hand seek for attention, even here on 4chan, but then when they are starting getting recognized or it doesn't go exactly as they've planned in their heads, they start making up lies to their audience and convince others they are being harassed or stalked?Pic rel, dude wanted to capitalize and earn on his blog and page views from showing the game sprites, so when someone datamined and compiled them, they made up lies that they were being harassed by ists and phobes, which is still going on, instead of admitting they only cared about money and positive responses.If you put yourself on the internet and now you regret something from the past, that's your responsibility, not other people's.
>>57283152don't know why everyotis giving you shit, I think it looks cozy/neat. better than most towns I see on r/pokemonromhacks
>>57285991>planning on making a livelihood off of fan-contentThese people deserve everything that happens to them.
>>57282839>changed typingsINTO THE TRASH IT GOES
>>57263904>Then you get to the first actual route with trainers and the NPCs are literally the same as default Emerald, with no changes to their dialogue, but moved around and with new teams that make those dialogues nonsense. You get the little kid who sneezes in the tall grass except now he's not in the grass, and a guy with a Palafin and other water mons complaining about his Magikarp (he has no Magikarp).Ahhhh I see, thx for explaining anon. The npc dialogue not matching new mons has always been weird to me in some hacks, sometimes I can't tell if its a joke or an oversight. With a team (devs) of their size I wanna lead towards the former, but maybe none of them care enough, especially if the teams (trainers) keep getting changed.I do love the trainer spots being moved around a bit to force a few more encounters, kinda reminds me of Emerald Kaizo... although Kaizo takes that to a much greater extreme. The huge disparities between total battles won in the HoF screen for different people shows just how many optional battles there are, I did every battle I possibly could and ended with ~525 wins after the initial HoF, and ~557 after all the post-game fights/rematches (could've gotten perfect trips if not for a couple unnecessary rematches against Cynthia and Calvin... but alas). Seen some people beat the game in the ballpark of 130ish wins, so still plenty of freedom at least. >The next encounter bugs out the screen and rewards you with a different mon than the one you caughtHuh? Tbh I never actually caught anything in my run of ER, I just used the BS Dexnav instant acquisition feature. Maybe in my next runs I'll see it when I go for the early game Manaphy because fuck Steven Stone, and fuck Team Aqua.>-around the time you get tired of how awful the kerning is on the new UI elements which keep glitching anyway-Never noticed the kerning issues, but I guess I never looked for them either. I do remember seeing the damage calc feature being glitched in a demo.
>>57283152Good use of space and not fuckhueg.
>>57286055>don't know why everyotis giving you shitbecause david is a piece of shit. I'm not gonna get into it anymore than that because he doesn't deserve the attention, you can go through the archives if you really want to know.and besides that, the map is just boring. it's a step above people's literal first maps that get posted on reddit, but only barely, and absolutely does not reflect the 5+ years that David has been working on his project. it's well put together in that he does know how to use the tileset, which sets it apart from truly amateur maps, I'll give him that, but the layout and design is as boring as it gets and utterly lacking inspiration or creativity.
>>57286096If that's case, how would you make it less boring though? What do you have in mind?
>>57286115*the
>>57286079Damn, maybe there's hope for my work if people are putting up with such atrocious designs.
Started playing Peridot. Its not bad so far, although it sure feels like rocket tag with how easily my pokemon go down sometimes.
>>57286136Some of the early game moves are buffed, but otherwise the damage formula hasn't really been touched.
>>57286124People accept all types of garbage. Yours will just be another in the landfill.
>>57285991I wish someone cared enough about my game to compile its information into an easily-digestible form for normalfags.
Is there a comprehensive resource to see existing pokemon pools by route in each game and their base stats? I know obviously it's all on the various wikis but I was wondering if there's an easy accessible one where it's all on one page and I don't need to switch between tabs to compare.
what are your guys thoughts on diversity and inclusion in Pokemon fangames?
>>57286205>american politicsdropped
>>57286124Tbf I have a lot more tolerance for fan-made regional forms and/or evos of existing mons than raw fakemon personally. If the designs are decent and they look fun to use I'll use them. RR and Altered Platinum had some nice regional forms too, also Blazing Emerald and Platinum Redux which I've yet to play. Inclement Emeralds dev Buffel Saft is also hopping on the bandwagon for their their upcoming 2.0 update too!If you think you can do better than feel free to share with us.Fwiw, Redux Floatzel got an evolution in the latest update not too long after I played it.Noooo I'm not salty... why do you ask?
>>57286205Any game that isn't accepting of Poképhilia in the year of our llama lord 2012+13 isn't worth your time.
>>57286205I don’t care as long as you’re not having a character talk about this shit during the story
>>57286205I include lesbians as happenstance because sometimes a female NPC will flirt with the player and I didn't bother to write 2 lines for each player gender.
>>57286205I personally don't understand why people need to shove politics into everything (I mean, I do, this is just rhetorical); I definitely have my own views on current topics - as anybody else -, but it is distressing to think about politics 24/7. Pokémon, to me, serves as escapism - when I play I don't want to think about Trump or troons or whatever.Do these people ever have fun?Also, adding in Islam makes no sense... The Pokémon World is a ficticious one. There are no real-world religions.
>>57286205>politics perfectly match up with my own without even a slight dissonancePEAK PEAK PEAK PEAK>politics don't align with my worldview or valuesAbsolute gutter trash! I wouldn't mind it if it was tasteful, but kinda like >>57286267 says, there is a degree of escapism I can appreciate in games, especially a borderline utopia like Pokemon (emphasis on borderline when you have nazi allegories like Team Flare on some fuck shit). I watched Shofu's playthrough of Revorn over 10 years ago, thst game spoke of pronoun stuff and concepts like non-binarism(?) before I remember it entering the mainstream (maybe I was just ignorant). Gay characters like Cain are fine, if a bit in your face about it (Shofu thinking he was a girl at first made me laugh). Skin colour customization is appreciated, but never a requirement.>>57286251Me when I play as the girl in the second run (picrel)
I'm still playing Unbound
>>57286480I'm sorry to hear.
>>57286480What’s your team?
>>57286508
>>57286115I can't teach you creativity, David. if you haven't learned it in 5+ years of working on this, then you just don't have it. I'm sorry.
>>57286159I see. I didn't expect the 3rd gym leader to give Teleport though. Might be a good idea to teach it to my Slowpoke as a pseudo baton pass.
>>57284560>I hate white outlinesBOO NIGGA.>>57282874Interesting, Crystal Clear has a similar functioning NG+ feature.>I swear I'm the only one here who actually likes Seaglass/Lazarus' graphicsFrom what I've seen I do love the new visuals that the dev bought, and clearly a lot of other people do, but as others have said sides from the graphics, pokemon buffs, and cross-gen evos/regionsl forms, it just doesn't sound too transformative... not enough to justify a run in the near-future anyways. I do think its popularity is very telling though, a lot of people don't mind going through the same game again for the XYZth time if it has a new coat of paint, qol/enhancenent hack complaints be damned. I guess the millenial nostalgia plays a big part.I won't speak on clashing artstyles I've seen mentioned a lot as I haven't gone through it myself to getca full picture.>>57284201I like giving it a Gyarados-type overhaul. Sunkern had the lowest BST in the game until Wishiwashi... and Wishiwashi has a BIG asterisk next to it. It's still a slow mono-grass type that needs to rely on Sun to sweep. I'd probably even buff the defense a bit myself.
>>57286205>minorities empower the eliteSo why do lefties want unfettered immigration then, wouldn't that give more power to the rich?
So, what are other sites to showcase my project since I got banned from Relic Castle and Pokecommunity?
>>57287100To piss you off specifically.
>>57286205nigga please, enough with the gay stuff. Nobody gives a fuck about fags as long as they're not flaunting it
>>57287114Here and on reddit.
>>57287155I know that. It’s just that I’m not well-liked here and Reddit is too much of a hugbox.
>>57286480>>57286542Cool team, love the Hisuian inclusions. Where are you now? I've beaten Unbound 3 times now and have a 6 more teams planned out, but catching so many extra mons every run to deal with gym leader gimmicks is wearing on me a bit. Planning to do Scalemons mode for the next several runs though, so that should be fun!Kinda wanna wait for the next update first, but no reports in a year now.Could say the same about Gaia too, I know you can't run rush art but it hurts to wait.
>>57287172you don't need to showcase your project, you just need to work on it. you're gonna have to learn to live without constant attention.
>>57287290
>>57287261While I'm posting long Discord screenshots again I might as well post the mentions of a new Radical Red update in the works from earlier today! Here's a catbox of all the 4.1 shinies I thought were notable and made into a graphic a while ago: https://files.catbox.moe/fxlm5l.pngThere's a video of them all on Youtube though if you wanna give feedback on any, a lot of them seemed divisive. Here's the form link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfjyyP6ggtelF2XrLjwvW7e8pD7WJUZhCisCiTfmOmyhPsIDw/viewform?usp=sharingLastly, here's all the related gifs/videos from the teaser.https://files.catbox.moe/72y8s0.gifhttps://files.catbox.moe/9iyysn.gifhttps://files.catbox.moe/szl0wg.gifhttps://files.catbox.moe/kwlmil.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/a9oowp.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/b2x91w.jpg
>>57283152the stones are just stupid if you have boat there. Yeah S.S. Anne had stones too, but this is not gen 1.
>57287172>wants constant attention for his project>doesn’t want a “hugbox”bullshit. Go to r*ddit and make one post. Just one. I’ll bet you’ll fucking love it
>>57286205PLEASE tell me this "game" was created as bait and not as a serious project
>>57287406I just want feedback for maps. The Birch Town map is going to get a major revamp.
>>57286205>Cain with rainbow glasseswhat's the story behind this
>>57286124if your shit was actually good you'd post it
>>57284676Fuck I really gotta get back on this demo, guess I've been more burnt out than I thought.>>57285096These are cute, always love seeing Wolfman. Like this anon says >>57285202 might be better if it was white, but that's just personal preferences. There's always shinies after all. Will the bottom right one evolve?
>>57283173>>57288140these
>>57287261I just finished that criminal city >love the Hisuian inclusionsI was going to get a Hisuian Typhlosion too but I had used one before in some other game
>>57287704He still hasn't posted anything. If you're gonna shit talk other artists you better back it up.
>>57287704>if your shit was actually goodThat's the point, anon, it's not. I'm not posting it until I think it is, and I'm not posting anything until at least a full demo is done. No false promises.>>57289142You don't need to be a good cook to tell when food tastes like garbage.
>>57286205It reminds me of current-day politics, which I do not like. Also lol at that last screencap. You just know it's supposed to be the bad guy speaking.
>>57289369>food analogy>still not posting anythingI accept your concession
>>57290405>anon can't read
>>57290427>n-no guys trust me I'm working on something great but I'm just taking time to make sure it's the best of the best and sooo much better than the other popular slop but I can't post it because just trust mewe know, you already gave up on proving me wrong
>>57290600My post literally says my stuff sucks, anon, please go back to first grade and start from there.
How would you guys go about designing a fangame? As opposed to an official game, I mean.I'm on the design stage of my own fangame (i.e., I'm just ideas guy-ing atm - though I've toyed with previous projects in Essentials, which haven't seen the light of day), and initially my idea was to make it my 'ideal' Pokémon game, as if it were just a new generation. The problem is that the way a player approaches an official game is different from a fangame - official games have more longevity since they have multiplayer content and, as actual games, the intention is that you keep playing them for quite a bit. But with fangames, you usually complete the story (perhaps even the Pokédex as well, if it has Fakémon) and that's about it. The motivations that a player has differ between an official title and a fangame.There really isn't an incentive to include stuff like contests or secret bases, because they're really just superfluous to the singleplayer experience. In the official games, these are good additions, since they extend the total playtime of the game - but in fangames, I feel like they're kinda superfluous. (This might just be my autism, though)For example, I'd like to add contests in the game, but would they really matter? They'd just be unnecessary, as I don't feel that players would really care about it. I do plan to add Fakémon, and I could gate a couple behind contests, but that just feels like a dick move.Similarly, in an official game, I'd want a long postgame - but for a fangame, I think that'd detract from the experience since it'd make it drag on for too long.So, tl;dr, I want to design a game that'd feel like it was made by Game Freak (er, in a good way, I mean, haha), but the problem is that I feel like designing an official game and designing a fangame are two very different things, and what might make sense in one doesn't make sense in another. Or am I just being too autistic?
>>57286205>immigrant character menacingly wielding a big knife>autistic & also hates the irsare you sure this isn't a parody?
>>57291600decide for yourselfhttps://www.reddit.com/r/ProjectParabellum
Looking for a modernized Kanto experience, preferably very minimum to no new pokemon but just like, regular stuff like phy/spe split, fairy types, etc, can be a FRLG or a RBGY hack I'm accepting ones for Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova as well, if there is any
>>57284368Gamefreak just doesn't give a shit about some pokemon. Remember how fucking long it took flareon to get flareblitz? Or Heliolisk to get Solarbeam? Look at this learnset. Weepinbell is stuck using fucking vine whip, a level 1 move, until goddman level 44 to learn razor leaf. It learns this move later than any other pokemon in the game. It has been this way since Gen 1 when movesets were limited. In fact, in Gen 1 it learned it at level 38, so GF made it worse. While Ivysaur got it at level 30 in Gen 1 and it has been reduce to level 12 (bulbasaur). There is no excuse for this. The only way this gets fixed is if you evolve it and make it remember moves. But then you are at the mercy of when GF decides to give you a leafstone and make move remembering accessible. Now compare this to Gloom, its counterpart from Gen 1. Gloom gets Giga Drain at level 20 and Moonblast at 32, one of the earliest pokemon to get access to it.In what fucking world does gamefreak understand how to balance pokemon and why on earth should I trust them?
>>57292605Different anon, but I never noticed how long it takes Bellsprout to get Razor Leaf. I've fixed that for my own rom.
>>57292672Based anon. It is a shame that some pokemon get looked over even in the romhacking community.
>>57292704It's a lot to keep track of, and playing through the game a dozen times to try out everything is very time-consuming.
>>57286205Miror B. and Eusine are a fag couple in my hack. I swear it makes sense, and these two already seemed pretty queer.
>>57292704Honestly it's probably a symptom of grass type move design in general. 30 moves named "leaf X" and 3 moves generically designated as "drain" attacks. They really needed aggression linked to status, not offensive moves. Solar Beam should be the exception, not the rule. Solar blade is a cancer.>Leafage>Razor Leaf>Leaf Blade>Leaf Tornado>Solar BladeTell me the power, accuracy, and secondary effects of these moves at a glance. Especially the late additions they couldn't even be fucked to name (leafage, leaf Tornado)
>>57292747Is Leaf Tornado physical, or am I confusing it with Petal Blizzard?
>>57292773I left that in there as bait, petal blizzard is the physical "next step" in that list
>>57292533Hate to do it but this is an excellent list of exactly what you're looking for.>https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/comments/1chx77r/compilation_of_vanilla_quality_of_life_qol_hacks/
>>57291467Think about what things you'd love to have in a pokemon game and add them. If there's some optional fluff content you love doing, chances are somebody else loves it too.>I do plan to add Fakémon, and I could gate a couple behind contests, but that just feels like a dick move.Nothing wrong with that.Whatever you do, don't try to pander to the "blitz through all the game content at 8x speed as efficiently as possible" crowd, because they're never satisfied and your game will end up worse as a result.
>>57292605Thinking every shitmon needs to be viable is exactly what separates the virgin romhacker mentality from the chad GF grindset. Some beetles are weak and pathetic and deserve to be crushed by their superiors.
>>57291467don't overthink it, just make the game you want to make. if you try to please everybody you'll get nowhere, because every single person has a different idea of what the perfect Pokemon game is. and you're not getting paid anyway, so it doesn't really matter if some subgroup of the community doesn't like your game. the only way you'll make it through the dev process is if you have passion for what you're making.
>>57291467I made a GSC hack and stripped away a lot of the GSC features(days of the week, radio, phone calls) because I wouldn't expect most players to bother interacting with them and because it saved me the effort. People won't be playing one save in a rom hack for several years like they would an official game, so I decided to focus on making a replayable experience that, while it still has optional content, trims away much of the fat of an official game.
>>57292951How hard is it to remove stuff like that? I was indecisive between Emerald and FR as my rom of choice because the former has more resources but also more bloat I'd want to get rid of.
>>57292955It's not hard, you just need to find what you're looking for in the code.
>>57292879This is fine, thanks anon!
>>57292891Moving Razor Leaf to an earlier level doesn't magically make Weepinbell viable. it is clearly development oversight since no one gives a shit about this pokemon so GF makes zero effort to fix it for over 20 years. I honest don't care about it either but use it as an example of GF failures. Just like Gen V pokemon having late game evolutions (Due to the XP system of Gen V), but GF putting them on early routes in future games without adjusting their levels. Or the fact that the Nidoking/queen lines have shit learnset still unless you evolve them and move remember them because they are supposed to be buffed by TMs, but in later games GF gate kept powerful TMs until the endgame or post game and get outpaced by then.
>>57293036It doesn't need to be made viable, it's about kicking a dog while it's down.
Stealing your guys's gameplay mechanics/any ideas for a vanilla-ish fangame.
>>57287445its obviously satire
>>57293284I know there's at least one that already does this but I'm partial to making EVs points that you acquire by defeating pokemon and then manually assign. Maybe not what you meant though.
If a fangame includes megas do you feel it should include all Pokémon which officially have one?
>>57293807Ideally yes. If a player learns that megas are in the game, they'll mentally go "Oh cool, I'll use X or Y then" and finding out they can't is a bit disappointing
>>57292890>>57292945Thanks guys! I guess I'll try to stick to my original plan of trying to imitate the feeling of the official games, then.>>57292951But that's some of the things I like the most about the original games - they really make the world feel alive. I know it'll make development take a lot more but I don't care since I've already assimilated that this'll take a long time - I can get quite busy with uni and also I'm very lazy and procrastinate a lot, haha
Does Essentials come with puddle effects?
>>57292891"it's shit for the sake of being shit" is not good game designIf you don't want it to be useful, then don't have it in the game in the first place>>57293807Yeah I guess why notBesides the mega forms will generally have something that makes them distinct performance-wise from non-mega mons that'd otherwise make the mega evolvable mons feel redundant if it wasn't for mega evolution
>>57294913>If you don't want it to be useful, then don't have it in the game in the first placeWrong, bad, and retarded take that applies to no game ever made.
>>57286205I for one am glad TDS is kicking back in full throttle and so many shitty romhacks are going to get canned because of it.
>>57291467Add something new for fuck's sake!It's not easy, but it's what separates projects from the pack. The traditional Pokemon formula has a ton of unexplored design space. Consider these concepts that have crossed my mind:>Game with Shadow Pokemon, but their mechanics are better developed>Game where the player travels between Magma and Aqua's Hoenn>Trainer sim with limitations layered on top of existing ones, like TMs counting toward a team limit, or Pokeballs being very expensive>Nuzlocke-inspired game, but with more creative conditions than Pokemon disappearing after fainting once, like losing a random move, or losing IVs>Game about a channeler using dead Pokemon to take the form of living Pokemon, and must rechannel after one faints>Play as a surveyor who explores and develops a new region, blending roguelike, survival, and city sim mechanics
>>57296604Damn that map is so good. I still need someone to make my maps but I'm broke as fuck right now. Only thing holding my game back.
>>57296604But I actually like the “Masuda formula” for the games... I just want to do my own take on it, even if it just end up making generic fangame #54564523.
>>57296810Also I forgot to mention that you can have multiplayer if you use essentials. I have it right now although it only works for trading and battling. If you really wanted to put the effort in though or you found someone else to do it for you then you could go even further with it.
>>57296829I saw the plugin when browsing Eevee Expo! It does seem interesting. But the issue at hand was more about the way players approach a fangame vs. how they approach an official game - I'd say that the vast majority of people who look for Pokémon fangames are usually thinking about a singleplayer experience. Plus, a big advantage that the official games have, in terms of multiplayer, is the large install base - any hypothetical multiplayer feature, and whatever's locked behind it, would suffer from the fact that there's just simply not enough people. Trade evos are already an issue in GF games - imagine them in fangames!
>>57297649Singleplayer is easier to balance because you can make powerful boss-like mons and gimmick move/abilities.
>>57291689Do American's really? https://www.reddit.com/r/ProjectParabellum/comments/1hck0kk/the_2nd_amendment_is_canon_in_pacem_albeit_in_a/
>>57296810You'll still need a hook.The closest a fangame/hack has come to panning out like that which you're aspiring to is Unbound, so maybe play that to get a sense of what can be done within the traditional framework.The Borrius region is basically a patchwork of gen 4 and 5 maps, offering a lot of biome diversity. Actually, IMO, its story could've been a lot better if it focused on its diverse environment instead of interdimensional woowoo.
>>57298142>>57298142>The Borrius region is basically a patchwork of gen 4 and 5 maps, offering a lot of biome diversity. Actually, IMO, its story could've been a lot better if it focused on its diverse environment instead of interdimensional woowoo.Lol, that's actually more or less what the plot of my fangame's going to be about. The backstory is that the Chroma region used to be divided into little statelets, each one with their own distinct regalia. When the region was attacked by an outside force, all of these banded together and, with their regalia, invoked the region's guardian - the legendary Pokémon - to help them. They won against the outside force, and the legendary was sealed away again. Each of the respective regalia was returned to its part of the region, hidden away, still imbued with the power to invoke the legendary. The evil team wants to seize all of the artifacts so that it can invoke the legendary again and rule the region. After you defeat them, a sidequest opens to return all the artifacts to their place, with accompanying mini-stories about the specific place. I really want to make the region feel alive, and for each location to be distinct and memorable - I plan to make about a couple of sidequests in each city, so that you don't breeze through the region during your playthrough, but actually take the time to appreciate it, its history, and its inhabitants.Sorry if all of this sounds too pretentious lol.Picrel is the region
>>57298358>27 citiesJust a friendly suggestion, you might want to trim that down to less than 20. 15 is already plenty, assuming you're doing the standard 8 gym + league formula. You'll find that it's hard to create that many unique, memorable locations, let alone fill them with things to do.Your story sounds fine btw, if a bit generic.
>>57298445I did actually plan out what each settlement's theme would be; I first drew the 'skeleton' of the region and then made the geography from that, haha.I'm planning to have 10 gyms instead of the usual 8, which is why there's so many locations. Though I also wanted to have at least one settlement between each gym (save for the gap between gym 1 and 2) - I don't like how many modern titles have two cities with a gym separated by just a route, it feels like the story's on a rush imo.Admittedly you're right in that the scope of this is quite large; knowing myself, I doubt that the finished project will be as ambitious as I initially planned out.Honestly, the story's been through a fair bit of revisions. I've been having this story in mind since 2017. Originally, it was kinda parodic, poking fun at my own country's (Spain) politics. The region was not based on Spain, but its characters were. The plot involved the leader of the evil team (which irl is the largest supermarket chain in the country, Mercadona) wanting to invoke the legendary to deal with all the protests in the region. But I've cut out a lot of what I originally planned since I don't want to involve politics in the fangame, and also I want a more serious/vanilla-like experience.I actually ended up materializing my original idea, more or less - I still have a 3-gym demo saved in my computer. It's in Spanish though
what's the odds of finding a Shiny in Run&Bun?
>>57296810I don't think there's anything wrong with a vanilla-like hack, it might be a little harder to stand out but there's definitely an audience for it. that's basically what Gaia is and it's one of the most celebrated romhacks. thing is though, if you're not going to have any gimmicks, then you need to do the formula well. I'm actually working on a vanilla-like hack myself, cause like you doing my own spin on that is what got me interested in hacking. and when I think about what made me fall in love with the games on the gameboy and ds, it was the regions themselves, and the sense of adventure and traversal. so, instead of making some kind of gimmicky hook, I've been putting extra care and focus into mapping and crafting a world that's fun to explore, and hopefully that's enough to draw some people in. and if not, well at least I made the game I wanted to.>>57298562I do agree with the other anon that this might be overly ambitious, you risk burning out on this. for reference, so far I've mapped in my region 12 towns, ~20 routes, and a handful of dungeons and side areas. and that's taken me over a year of near daily work and I still have a lot to do (including programming). of course it will depend on your skill and how fast/often you work, but just to give you an idea. >I don't like how many modern titles have two cities with a gym separated by just a route, it feels like the story's on a rush imo.one thing you can do to break up the pacing instead of adding more routes/towns is to add little quests or dungeons in between gyms. like, maybe you have to ascend a tower in town before you can face the gym. or go on a fetch quest like getting the medicine for Jasmine. I try to have something like that to do in every major town so it doesn't just feel like you're flying from gym to gym. not all of them are mandatory, optional content too is a nice reward for people who want to take their time.anyway good luck bro, you sound like you have a strong vision.
How do you feel about E4 and (later) gyms having full teams? I'm personally iffy on giving 6 mons to early gym leaders after trying some roms that do, and certainly against doing it to all random trainers in anything other than a challenge hack, but I feel like after a certain point the smaller team sizes get a little ridiculous and the official games tend to err too far on the easy side.
>>57299233For the last 2 or 3 gyms, sure. The player is going to have a full party figured out by that point.I wouldn't do it for the E4 because they're a gauntlet.
>>57298562>tropical town + tropical big city>pink town + pink city>blue town + blue cityI would condense these personally. You know your region better than me, but from the outset it seems like these locations would be redundant. Keep in mind that cities have a LOT of NPCs, and you'll want them to do gameplay-relevant things (move tutors, fishing rods, pokemon gifts, etc.) rather than just dump text on the player. If you have this many cities, you'll quickly run out of things to fill them with.
>>57299255Just heal.
>>57298923Thank you for your words, Anon!I do have the advantage of using Essentials - I've nothing against decomps, and I do find the idea of being able to play in real hardware very cool, but honestly I'm not very good with programming (I'm a humanities nerd, numbers scare me). Either way, though, despite most of the programming work being done for me, I'll still have to code in all the Fakémon I'm making, and all of that kind of stuff. I don't really mind taking a lot of time, though - thankfully, there's no time limit for this, haha.>>57299295It's true that these towns are kinda superfluous. The differences between the tropical town and city are more concrete - the city is a lot more urban and modern, while the town is just a few wooden huts in the middle of the jungle. But the pink town and blue town are mostly identical to their city counterparts, save for their lack of gym. My idea was for them to be kinda like Fallarbor or Pacifidlog, where they serve none or minimal story relevance, but work as a sort-of 'stop gap' between routes.Admittedly, coming up with NPC dialogue is my weak spot...
>>57299410>I do have the advantage of using Essentials - I've nothing against decompsyeah I feel you, I kind of wish I had started in Essentials instead of decomp because my only real skill is mapping and now that I'm reaching the stage where I need to start programming I have to admit I'm pretty intimidated. but with pretty much a whole region mapped out in decomp already, it's probably too late to migrate so I just gotta power through I guess lol. at least with Essentials you can just focus on the artistic side of it and make that really polished. still, try not to get in over your head or you have a higher risk of burnout, I do think other anon is right thag you could condense the map a little but at the end of the day it's your choice. >Admittedly, coming up with NPC dialogue is my weak spot...might be controversial but to be honest I was planning to use AI to help with this when I get there, at least for filler dialogue. I'll edit it, and important dialogue I'll write from scratch, but for the hundreds of throwaway lines you need like trainer dialogue. I know infinite fusion recently got a lot of shit for using AI generated dex entries, but that's a collaborative project. as a solo dev, I just see it as a tool to help me with the workload. that said even if you go that route, what's helped me with making NPCs so far is giving them each a clear purpose in the world. every NPC I place, even filler ones, I think a little bit about why they live in this town, or why they're on this route, what relationship do they have with the world around them and other NPCs etc. I'm not like writing up full backstories, but I just keep it in the back of my mind and will use that to inform dialogue later on. then when you go to write dialogue, you could have it reference those things, or drop a little bit of backstory for the city or region as a whole. or maybe drop hints about secrets or rare Pokemon.
Look at this masterpiece. And people say Essentials games are bad. Idiots.
>>57299622Unironically I think you couldn't do this in a decomp.
>>57298358>Sorry if all of this sounds too pretentious lol.It takes guts to risk sounding pretentious. Your game seems like it's full of deliberate lore, and I'll be on the lookout for whenever you're ready to release it.Is the war inspired by Kanto from the mainline games, or is it entire original?
>>57299538>still, try not to get in over your head or you have a higher risk of burnoutIf anything, my problem with these kinds of projects is usually the opposite thing - something comes up that forces me to stop for a while, and then I lose all the steam I had.>I was planning to use AI to help with this when I get there, at least for filler dialogue.Personally, I see nothing wrong with this. The problem with AI is when it's used to replace artists. But who would the person who you're replacing with AI be here? In this case, it's just yourself. So I think it's fine here.>>57299694Thanks Anon! You can expect a 2030 release, probably later (no promises though :'^) ). As for the war, it's purely original - I just needed something for all the parts of the region to come together as a whole. A war against an outside force tends to do that.
>>57299622is that a Bangladesh region? lmao
>>57299622Looks like they finished the gameMore impressive than many makers "of quality".Looks pretty shit though
>>57299902the reviews are glowing
>>57299927Very nice saar
How do you make a good bossfight with Pokémon's mechanics? Or should one just accept that any fight ghat tries to be difficult is either clowned on by basic strategy or an unfun slog?
>>57293796Yea that's an interesting idea, kind of like assigning stat points in your traditional (j)rpg I guess. Well I'm just looking for ideas that can help distinguish the game while still staying close and true to the formula. I'm good with coding so can do just about whatever I want, just need ideas.
>>57300097Make it like the totem fights from gen 7.
>>57250306I understand the default screen size of Essentials is 512x384 pixels. If I build my cabinet with a 1024x768 monitor, Essentials would scale up evenly to that resolution for true fullscreen, correct?In that case, would it be possible to scale up the Essentials game to natively run at 1024x768, allowing for much higher resolution graphics and sprites?
>>57300097Don't be afraid to give the enemies an unfair advantage. AI will always be inferior to a human opponent, so trying to mimic a showdown battle in single player is a vain effort.
I've redesigned my town's map. It now has a playground, Pokémon Fan Club house, and a cabin where the Cut Master lives and will give you the HM for Cut.
>>57301751That's looking pretty good! But still kys David
>>57301751kys david
>>57301751Looks a lot better than before. A lot more space to surf around in + the boats having access to the sea makes it a lot more believable.
>>57300097I love platinum and heartgold gym leaders for having actual strategies in their matches. I think novel gimmicks like mind + dynamic punch make for an interesting battle.
>>57299622Get me a download link this looks wacky (in a good way)
Fakemon/gimmick idea:Flower bird Pokemon that can appear in a different location every time you enter the area.Basically you have to check and think "wait a minute, I don't remember there being a flower there before" to find it.
>>57303597Cool!
>>57283849I was responsible for doing the encounters, and yeah I expected encounter bloat to be a problem, future updates will have dark grass like BW had and Dexnav, as well as a handful other areas added, this might mitigate the bloat feeling a littleThat sort of update is gonna take a while as the Battle Engine is really not working right and so we decided to move things to decomp, on top of that were still working on sprites
>>57300097Depends on the point in the game. Early game, a number of single stage mons at a level or two higher than the player is a sufficient challenge. Mid game, giving moves the player doesn't have (60-75 power, don't go overboard here) and a few fully evolved Pokemon. Late game, going all out with fully evolved mons, 120 base power attacks, huge level advantages. As the player gets stronger tools and access to more of the world / the Pokemon pool, it no longer matters that you remain fair or respectful. You don't need to tune the battles to Smogon level, you just need to throw an interesting advantage in the ring.Keep in mind that stats scale in a manner where higher levels give diminishing returns. 1-2 levels in the early game is 10-20 in the late game just because of how fractions work.
>>57303595Sure https://sweeto.itch.io/pokemon-angelsdemon
>>57299927>you've spliced some basic mapping houses on top of each other to make 2 stody buildings>Filled with run on sentences and rambling, barely understandable english>different styles of sprites that clash drastically>you are randomly summoned to fight a level 50 legendary>doesn't seem to have any story explanation
>>57300810I mean, yeah, but Pokémon only has so many ways you can give something an advantage unless you go fully original with it. Any big boss creature will essentially be a pile of stats, and then you can tweak whether you want it to be clowned on by toxic like UN, if you want to give it extra resistances, etc; but the more you limit ways for the opponent to break the fight the more you take away any strategy involved. Type advantage is kind of designed around letting you plow through fights and battles against a real opponent balance that by allowing switching and reads, but the less cheesable you try to make a CPU fight the more it becomes just "hit it hard until it dies". It's generally easier to make something interesting (or at least something that feels interesting) with a team fight (for example, an idea I've had for a gym is Sticky Web on the first mon, fakemon that triggers Court Change effect on death as the penultimate one, Contrary ace) but if it's a single boss it's much harder.
>>57305634Even just using existing gimmicks, you can do a lot.>Set terrains and weather at start>Doubled enemy HP>Enemy calls for backup>Enemy has unique moves, potentially ones you don't have access to>1vX battle from the start>Multiple phases>Inverse battle>Stat boosts at the start of battle>Frightening your Pokemon
>>57305825>enemy hits harder and you hit less hard >you need to hit the enemy more>enemy hits harder and you need to hit it more>enemy hits harder>enemy hits harder and you need to hit it more>you need to hit the enemy more>nothing changes>enemy hits harder and you need to hit it more >you need to hit the enemy moreSurely you see the problem, right? Pokémon's system is so simplistic and type advantage so basic in nature that any mechanic can be reduced to numbers and RNG, and any measure you take to make a boss stronger is equivalent to just giving it bigger numbers, and it's worse the harder you try to make it because the less haxable you make the challenge the more it's literally just bigger numbers.
>>57306172It's an RPG. Everything is a number.
>>57306181>t. has never played an RPG that isn't Pokémon
>>57306277Then name some RPGs that don't boil down to a numbers game, smartass.
>>57306277It's all math, you fucking idiot.
>>57306282Every ttrpg worth playing, which is literally where the genre originated from.
>>57306593D&D is literally just addition and generating random numbers.
>>57306610>retard cannot comprehend player agency
>>57306688>but I can do anything I can imagine!>now let me roll for a number to see if I can do that thing I imagined
>>57306709Depends on how much your DM sucks. Meanwhile, all you can do in Pokémon is hit and do damage.
>>57306755If your DM doesn't want to lead a game, sure. Everything in a game is just numbers, and finding a way to have bigger numbers than everything else.
>>57306277So you're saying add active dodging and counter-attack mechanics like in Mario&Luigi?>>57306593I played D@D with some friends once and couldn't get the appeal... l maybe I just lack the part of me that find more imaginative stuff like that appealing.
>>57306172Nothing about what anon typed was simplistic. You need a strategy to counteract those and survive long enough to kill it. You can add something like item restrictions for specific boss fights or do something like "psychic-types only have their stats doubled"
>>57306948>or do something like "psychic-types only have their stats doubled"This the kinda shit psychic stans talk needing ever since gen 2.
>>57306948Apart from general stat checks, single-player ROM hacks can test:>Team comp>Movesets>Item distribution>Micro stats like EVs/IVs/Natures>Sequencing team members in a fight>Switching opportunism>Factoring for random elements>Depending on the type of game, expending resources like a Focus Sash>If it's a Nuzlocke-type hack, you can add risking party members>MoreAnd all of the general knowledge to synthesize these moving parts. The other guy is just baiting.
Does there exist a hack that lets you play through the Emerald battle frontier but with an expanded dex and/or featuring mechanics added later on like phys/spec split and fairy type?
>>57307337https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/pok%C3%A9mon-frontier-adventure-lastest-version-v1-4a-feb-6-2021.442844/
>>57307354Thanks anon.
>>57301751kys d*vid
>>57307363NP :)
>>57283152Seems fine for a starter town. The boats should take you somewhere later im the game. Get rid of the rocks and fence off the water at the dock area so the player cannot Surf out of bounds. Rocks blocking the boats in looks dumb.
>>57284368I don't like fakemon if you are trying to make a Pokemon hack. But if the entire hack is fakemon, that works and can be fun when you don't know what Type things are and need to experiment mid-battle.
>>57286096I know of David. He does not post often enough where I have seen anything annoying. The fact that you give him shit is more noticable than he is and derails the thread, (also assuming all posters asking about the game or in defense of it are David.) I'm not here 24/7, nor do I care enough to check the archives. (b4k is down btw) but it just seems like you're overly pissy about someone else's attempt to make a hack. Stop being obsessed over David. He isn't going to marry you, move on. People who obsess over namefags are often worse than the namefags themselves.
>>57292737Make your own characters instead of fucking up existing characters.
>>57286205Options are good. They/them is retarded. I like that both fags and muslims are in for the sake of balance, but they don't need to be. I don't want main plot to look like real life but I am all for options in character creation for the player.
>>57308458>He does not post often enough where I have seen anything annoyingthen you don't come here very often, so stfu about things you know nothing about. he has been pretty quiet for the last several threads but for years he derailed these generals. a few months ago there were entire rheg threads where he was just having complete meltdowns. and if you don't call him out when he posts, he'll get too comfortable and go back to spamming. we've only managed to get rid of him by riding his ass. he absolutely deserves every ounce of shit that he gets, don't simp for him. and if you don't know who he is, just be quiet
reminder that david want to rape little girls!
>>57308682wtf I love David now
>>57308674Don't forget>Spams fakemon threads with the same 2-3 ideas constantly asking for validation of every iteration>Various actions of dubious morality and legality>Worst of all, has been witnessed samefagging
>>57308481No. I will make my own paradox hack where every known character is suddenly different because we're in an alternate universe. Say hi to Prof. Ghetsis.
>>57309216The advent of the lost and forgotten superboss is here...
As a traditionalist, I like HMs more than I don't. I think removing HMs is lame, I like it better when it's your own Pokemon helping you navigate through the world. So I have some ideas on how I'd like to not only make HMs less annoying in my hack, but actually make them fun.>Forgettable, like normal moves>Strength can remove trees like Cut, allowing Cut to be erased>HMs upgrade through the game>Instead of Waterfall, Dive and Whirlpool having to be learned, Surfing Pokemon are able to traverse these obstacles once they meet badge requirements>The same applies for Rock Smash, Headbutt and Rock Climb, they upgrade StrengthI think adding these HMs will open up new areas and opportunities in a more organic way than just having a ferry take you to a new map.
>>57308674>>57308872You're derailing the thread again
>>57309518Get it back on track. Post what you've been working on.
>>57309375In my game I have it to where you can use the HM if you have the correct badge, have the HM in your bag, and have a Pokemon in your party that can learn it. You don't actually have to teach it though.
>>57284600I am looking for any style of game that lets me have beta pokemon on my team, not only from gold 97. I'd love the rabbit mudkip i posted in pic related for example
>>57309375At this point I won't even play a romhack unless HMs are handled like >>57309750
>>57309375As someone who is admittedly pretty bad at coding (especially in Ruby) my compromise is to include HMs, but make them all pretty good. For example, Strength is now a Normal-type Close Combat, making it a good end game option, and Rock Smash now guarantees a two stage defense stat drop.This mostly came about when I realized "wait a minute, nobody has a problem with Surf, Waterfall and Fly because those moves are actually good".
