https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-tiering-surveys.3711911/page-2#post-10420537What the fuck, these results are a clownfest
>fanficshitlmao
>>57282855>enjoyment: 6.5/10Who the fuck continues to play any game where they’re enjoying it 6.5/10 on average? That sounds miserableOther games exist, retards
>>57282855SV OU is fucking dogshit. Absolute dogshit.
Why would you ever consider banning Tera Blast over Tera itself
>>57282855>one guy asked for a review of SS OU Toxapexkek
>>57282855>OU 6.1 enjoyment>no actionnatdex had 6.2 last survey which made them panic and ban tera because people hated the meta so fucking much and they're already up to 7.3 off that decision alonemeanwhile OU is celebrating 6.1 as rivaling the highest all genOU council are a bunch of fucking retards i swear
>>57282855SV OU is run by retards. The fact that they did a blanket ban for fucking sleep of all things but refuse to acknowledge the elephant in the room that is Tera is laughable.
>was is gen 9 so shit
>>57282866It's what happens when you're enthusiastic about the game competitively but too brainwashed to accept that 6v6 singles and Smogon's clusterfuck rules in general is the most boring, unfulfilling way to play.
>>57282855Nobody gives a fuck. Dont you fanfic meta retards have a containment thread?
>>57282862>>57283083Your meme will never catch on
>>57282862Hey Verlisify
>tera blast was an option>Not tera as a whole because they developed Stockholm syndrome for itRetards
>>57283127>sleep ban>only good sleep users were a top 5 OU pokemon people already were wary of and a literal former Uber people had been testing the waters with Probably the most retarded council to date.
>BOOTS>REGENERATOR>BOOTS>REGENERATOR>BOOTS>REGENERATORYeah let's keep looking at Tera when it's only the whataboutism blanketing over shit like Item Clause & the cumslut faggot pussys who quit once a single mon goes down when they don't get their wayFuck this game
Is "qualified mention" smogonspeak for finch and his caval wants it banned
>>57284063“Qualified mention” here means that some pissbaby with enough fanfic rating points complained about it in the blogpost section at the end of the poll
>>57284207Is there any way of seeing this without a omgon account?
Gens 5/6/7 are the peak of competitive. If you play any other gen, fuck you.>b-but poketubers told me ADV is the most comp-Forced meme tier, shan't be playing.
>>57283981>Enjoyment: 6 on averagewhat a shitshow this gen was, I wish they just bit the bullet, went full dictatorship mode and nuked Tera and Booster Energy once and for all to try and fix the meta, but they'll never have the balls to do it. Instead, SV OU's legacy will be being the worst OU of all time.>My conclusion from these scores are that we are in a good spot with the metagameHow can you say that with a straight face? 6/10 is nothing to be proud of, run a survey like this for metas like ADV or ORAS and you'll get a 9/10 at minimum.
>>57282933Because it leaves defensive Tera for counterplay reasons while making Pokemon like Volcarona, Espathra, and so on much more manageable when they can't have any STAB in the game.
>>57284231I don't play any meta with Fairy types in it. 3 > 5 > 2 > 1 > 4
>>57284232Basically any past-gen meta will poll as a 8.5/10+, even Gen 8, because the only people voting in those polls are people who like that gen.
>>57282855Smogon really can't do anything to make this gen actually enjoyable without going on another banning spree. It would've been even worse with fags like Chien-Pao, Iron Bundle, and Chi-Yu running around.
Gen 5 weather wars was the best before omgon nuked the shit out of it.
>>57284222>seeing the results of a privately-submitted surveyYou’d have to be one of finch’s lackeys in order to have access to those
What is actually wrong with Gen 9 OU? It seems fine to me.
>>57284385Nothing. It's /vp/ overreacting over a meta they don't play as usual.
>>57284291It heavily favored Sand and Rain because of the power of their abusers. Sun only really had Venusaur -- who was one of the best abusers of weather in the game -- and Hail had... Walrein and Kyurem.
>>57284231This. Gen 7 especially has to be my favorite, but 5 and 6 are great too.
>>57284385>>57284402>I only enjoy playing my fanfic meta 6.5% of the time. what a chad i amomgon players are silly
>>572844286.5/10 is 65% not 6.5%
>>57284428Considering most people lose around 50% of the time on average, 65% is a much higher rate of enjoyment than normal.
>>57284413They should've doubled down and buffed those weathersand made new weathers for other types.
>>57284506They did, they're called terrains
>got so buck broken by casuals hating gen 8 banned dynamic that they refuse to do anything to tera itselfCan't make this up
>>57284506The problem with Sun is that Grass is a dogshit type that is also weak to Fire meaning Sun is extra lethal. There aren't any non-Grass Chlorophyll users, and Chlorophyll was the only real ability to make use of Sun until Protosynthesis. Leaf Guard is a bottom 10 ability in the game even on a Sun team and Solar Power is only good in Gen 8 VGC for Charizard Sun nukes.Hail and Snow are still shit to this day even with Slush Rush added. They basically only exist for Aurora Veil.
>>57284547Why exactly does Leaf Guard not work the same way as Hydration
>>57284559Because Meganium being able to fully heal itself when Sun is up would be too OP.
>>57284559Gamefreak's water favoritism strikes again
>>57284547Hail's biggest problem is that nothing wants it that isn't an Ice type. So Hail teams are by default mono Ice teams that are forced to run 2-3 other things that don't really want to be there just to avoid being swept.Sun has almost the same problem, but Protosynthesis was a step in the right direction.
>>57284655Sun at least boosts the power of Fire moves and reduces the power of Water moves. That means you can bring Ground and Rock types on Sun teams since they don't fear Water in the Sun. Same idea as bringing Steel and Grass types on Rain teams. Hail/Snow and Sand don't actually boost the power of any moves. Hail boosts the accuracy of Blizzard and that's it. No power boost for any of those Pokemon.
>>57284711Snow and Sand have defensive benefits.
>>57284768Hail didn't. Also, the defensive benefits of Snow don't help most Ice types because Ice is still the worst defensive type in the game. Rock can at least switch in on Normal/Poison/Fire/Flying types.
>>57282855A third Kyurem suspect incoming?
>>57283127Tera Blast being banned seperately makes sense since some of the “Pokemon banned because of Tera” were banned because of Tera Blast (Espathra, Regieleki, and Volcarona being most prominent). It is like Hidden Power, but it has twice the effective power and can be physical too.
>>57285083Espathra and Volcarona could end up banned even without Tera Blast. Just being able to change types give them so many opportunities to play mindgames and sweep. There's some sense behind dealing with Tera Blast alone but the thing is that you're not dealing with the root of the evil which is Tera itself. Council doesn't want to deal with Tera because le drastic change and meta identity which I understand, specially when there's still supporters defending Tera as a mechanic but there's a very strong movement against keeping Tera in the metagame as shown with the Nat Dex suspect. Anyway, you need to have autism to thing that much about competitive Pokémon and even more so to take part of a council about competitive Pokémon so honestly, just let the turbo autists be autistic, I'm not mentally prepared to argue that much about this topic with them.
>>57285161to think that much*
>>57284836Snow’s benefits to ice types are useless because ice is supposed to be a glass cannon type that’s useless defensively. It’s supposed to hit hard and fast, then die. GF finally let them live up to their true potential in gen 9 and look what happened to them. Bundle barely lasted a week and Baxcalibur barely a month, iirc
>smogonites would rather ban kyurem or wellspring or even fucking ting-lu or pecharunt before banning kingambit or gholdengoWhy are they like this?
Finally made it to top 350 in OU,I'm so used to shitgambit by now that I don't even mind if he doesn't go away.
>>57285193>Snow’s benefits to ice types are useless because ice is supposed to be a glass cannon type252+ Atk Great Tusk Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur: 464-548 (125 - 147.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO252+ Atk Great Tusk Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur in Snow: 312-368 (84 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>57285347>not having rocks up anyway>252+ Atk Great Tusk Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur in Snow: 312-368 (84 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
>>57285418I have to admit that the biggest reason that makes me dislike playing singles is everyone's fucking obsession with entry hazards
>>57285423I agree, but you can't just assume that there will be no hazards up in a single battle. People's obsession with them is what makes the original calc misleading. Nobody was/is running boots on bax anyway so the chip damage will go through
>>57283298Sleep ban was objectively good though? Nobody but retards want it back
>>57285507>missing the point entirely
>>57285423They're just that good. Even in Gen 2, when the only hazard was Spikes and you could only set one layer.
>>57285423>ObsessionThey're strong. It's not an obsession. Not using entry hazards in singles is like not using Protect/Fake Out/Ally Switch/Helping Hand/Follow Me/Rage Powder in doubles. The only Ice types that are good are the fast and hard hitting ones that are still busted even if they can only switch in twice. Most Ice types are not Chien-Pao, Iron Bundle, or Galarian Darmanitan.
>>57285342Kingambit and Raging Bolt are just nuisances now. There are ways to beat them but it means you have to hold back your counters to them until they come out, forcing the game to be a 5v5.
>>57285203Zamazenta cucks KingambitGliscor cucks Raging BoltGreat Tusk cucks bothJust teambuild better
>>57285682Raging Bolt is fine
>>57285704Raging Bolt is harder to deal with than Kingambit.
>>57284547snow offense was strong enough that baxcalibur got banned from OU, and now there's no shortage of ice-type ubers waiting for the tiniest bit of power creep to drop on down and run the tier over with snow again.sure snow is basically "aurora veil setup: the archetype," but rain is just "swift swim choice band wave crash: the archetype" so i'm really not seeing the singular focus as a bad thing.
>>57285964Was Baxcalibur around when Scale Shot was released?
>>57285988Yeah, that's actually what pushed it over the edge. It was already being considered for a ban, but Loaded Dice Scale Shot was the straw that broke the camel's back
>>57285964Baxcalibur was already a beefcake, but the bonus defense from Snow and Aurora Veil made it tanky enough that it could switch in on Stealth Rocks and eat a Close Combat and still have gas in the tank. >252 Atk Great Tusk Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Baxcalibur in Snow with an ally's Aurora Veil: 142-168 (38.2 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKOBax could eat the strongest Close Combat in the meta on the switch in, set up Swords Dance, and then sweep. It was absolutely ridiculous, especially because it could always Tera if it was afraid of its Ice type being a hindrance.
>>57286117>an ice type pseudo is the only one to be ubers since garchomp's stint there in gen 4what a world.
>>57286173Salamence got booted in gen 4, too.
>>57286173Dragapult is almost as busted. It's not as potent, but it's much more versatile and did get itself banned in Gen 8 NatDex because of it having access to Z-moves. Overall:Baxcalibur > Dragapult > Dragonite > Garchomp > Kommo-o > Tyranitar > Metagross > Hydreigon > H-Goo > Salamence > GooThis is for the current gen, not taking into account their peaks in other gens.
>>57286598Hows nat dex right now?
>>57284231>Mega Sableye bullshitnah, best meta is 200
>>57286598How is Mence worse than Gross?
>>57288846gross got psychic fangs and heavy slam in gen 9, heavy slam being especially huge since gross is a fat bastard and lots of shit gets the full 120bp.mence is just a powercreep victim these days, there's just no way mence can hack it in UU when shit like latios is also UU. plus it's rocks weak so it's cucked into running boots at all times.
>>57288846Fairies are very prominent, especially with Terastallization, meaning Steel types are overall better and Dragon types are overall worse. See it for yourself: Metagross is UU and Salamence is RU.
>>57282933Because they want to ban terra but people don't want it banned.So they present the idea that they're not, they're just banning terablast.There comes a point in every generation where they just go ban happy because the games aren't gen2 leftovers stall.
>>57283981>Item ClauseThey would never.Then they couldn't have their precious leftovers and boots+regenerator.
>>57284231BASED.Weather Wars was kino and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>57282855>zama lower than kyurem and ogerlmao. that's why i stopped playing
>>57282855Now imagine if they actually just banned Tera
>>57290198if you're gonna ban the one thing defining the gen's battle system why even play gen 9?
>>57290223> if you're gonna ban the one thing defining the gen's battle system why even play gen 8?
>>57290223For the new Pokemon, moves, abilities, and items.
>>57290228I mean yeah? why even play gen 8 at all, even>>57290237but all of those are shit, the only good thing in gen 9 is Tera it's the only good gimmick but it shits on stall so smogdanoff banned it anyway
>>57282855REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>57283107Hey Finchinator
>>57284291They should have quickbanned drizzle + drought immediately. Keeping weather around ruined the entire generation.t. got to experience gen 5 OU before DW Politoed and Ninetales released
>>57288846Mence vs Gross is utter cope. They both suck now.
>>57289509There's nothing wrong with Zamazenta
>>57289064>>57289241How far the gods have fallen…
>>57291197gross is UU and these days UU means you're sharing a tier with shit like heatran and latios.far from sucking, unlike mence.
>>57284231Gen 5 is cancer and you know it, kinda sick of Timothy Drool and his gen 3 shilling too, it's just hurr mind games with fugtrio, fagneton and tyranitar sandshit from the way he makes it sound
>>57285423They're good, I like sticky web to support middling speed powerhouses like hoopa-u and nidoking but everything's so fast now that 100 base speed is considered fairly slow, UU is the new OU with less ugly paradox cancer mons
>>57285727Oh so we're lying now?
>>57289257Item Clause isn't for defensive items, it's for offensive ones.
>>57291243>Heatran>Latios>Greninja>Excadrill>Tyranitar>Conkeldurr>Deoxys-Speed>Mew>Thundurus-T>Toxapex>Skarmory>Weavile>Scizor>Rotom-W>Keldeo>MandibuzzGen 9 UU is about on par with Gen 8 OU in terms of power. It's full of past-gen OU and Ubers staples. There's a reason Manaphy, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Thundurus, Chansey, Bisharp, Gengar, Jirachi, Mamoswine, Magnezone, Mimikyu, G-Zapdos, and SUICUNE fell out of the tier.
>>57291593>Play UU every gen>Skarm was respectful >Heatran, Drill, & Pex drop>On every cocksucking teamAyup I fucking hate this
>>57282855each successive generation of the game that goes by where it is abundantly clear that pokemon, moves, items, and especially abilities are all intentionally designed and balanced exclusively around doubles just makes smogon funnier to watchI genuinely sympathize with the fact that the franchise started as purely singles and you play almost exclusively singles in single player which makes doubles feel very random to be the official format but smogon are just a bunch of autistic faggots
>>57291649Meanwhile old UU staples are in NU and PU. Crazy world we live in where Infernape and Swampert are in NU and Arcanine, Rotom-H, Zoroark, and Venusaur are PU.
>>57291726Balance being for doubles only is a shitty meme. For one, Game Freak regularly fucks up the balance of doubles. They've been having more and more overcentralized metas because of things like Flutter Mane and Calyrex. Meanwhile, they've made plenty of balance changes for singles, like Heavy Duty Boots, nerfing recovery moves, and nerfing mythicals that will never see the light of day in VGC (Mew, Darkrai, etc).Game Freak is just shit at balancing, so fags who only peripherally follow comp think that they're making singles shit on purpose while focusing on doubles. That couldn't be further from the truth. GF just can't balance anything properly.
>>57291776This entire statement is 100% true, Farig is the only honest mon in this whole cumslut list
>>57291776This shit happened months ago, you can't post anything more recent from the current season?
>>57291892That's the same regulation as now.
>>57291199right*
>>57292774Zamazenta shits down Kingambit's throat. He's based for that alone.
>>57292929>Dealing with a singular mon is the sole reason for a box Legendary to be allowed in OUHHMMMMM REALLY MAKES YOUR THINKER TINKER HUH???
>>57291360>kinda sick of Timothy Drool and his gen 3 shilling toono you aren't>it's just hurr mind gamesthat's every pokemon metagame>fugtriothe very definition of opportunity cost>fagnetonworthless outside its role unless you build unorthodoxly, can still get btfo by both its targets (or immediately taken out by the above), and gets memed on by all meme spikers>tyranitar sandshitTyranitar is run 3/5 times, you will have plenty of battles where neither it nor sand are factors>from the way he makes it soundif anything he makes it sound more diverse than it really is
>>57282855It appears my superiority has caused some controversy
>>57294658>Get rewarded for playing badHow does it feel to suck cock for a living?
>>57295185why would you come to an indonesian pottery forum to ask that when you could just as easily ask your mother
>>57295196>Y-Your M-Mom!!!So you don't deny it, ah that's alright I'll leave you to your slurpa slurpa
>>57284242Gen 3 is trash
>>57296734
>>57285193That's like saying rock's spdef boost in sand is useless while Tyranitar takes like 60% from a focus blast then kills something. The whole point is they can tank super effective attacks.
>>57296734sounds like you got filtered by the most challenging OU known to manyou'll get it when you get to your mid 20s
>>57297489>Challenging
>>57297489I hit #7 on the ladder with a Jolteon team before I got sick of Blissey and Dugtrio and put it down. Gen 3 is a balance/stall nigger's wet dream but trash in every other category.
