Ban this asshole
>>58238591Aww, is stallfag too cucked by offense being halfway decent this gen? Does stallfag need to crawl back to xer's safespace in SSOU?
>>58238591Get good
>>58238591Shut up Kieran. Youre a loser Ex "Champion" with no friends and gets molested by his own sister every night (lucky bastard).
>>58238624Comments like these never make me understand if the poster is a kieranfag or not
>>58238613>>58238623Name ONE switch in
>>58238631Masquerain
>>58238631Mainly trying to paralyze it or Sludge Bomb it with Glowking but if you run it over Johtoking, Walking Wake becomes the problem mon for teambuilding
>>58238631unironically Wo-Chien and/or any bulky Grass type. even then, the obsession with defensive switch-ins is absurdist and stall-centric, and must be pushed back against.
>>58238646>any bulky Grass type.i can't wait for ferrothorn to return in champions
>>58238645>Knock Off>>58238646>U turnNow what
>>58238664Wow, you're running Ivy Cudgel, Knock Off, U Turn, and god knows how many moves? What is this, Mega Metagross, where people mustakenly believe that it can run more than four moves at a time?
>>58238668>Ivy Cudgel, Knock Off, U TurnIt doesn't need more attacking moves. It can be filler like Encore or Spikes or any other absurd move it absolutely should not get but does a government mandated shillmon. Anything that doesn't drop to ungabunga cudgel spam gets softened enough by Knock off and/or U turn. The last moveslot can be literally anything, and it doesn't even matter.
>>58238631>>58238668To answer both of your questions.Just look at the actual stats.Dragonite, Zama, and Gambit are its best counters.Ogerpon's 4th move is probably SD, but it has others that you need to account for because this isn't open team sheets.
>>58238668Verlisify called this exact shit out in his series on the Gen VI OU bans. That is in fact how they think:>[x] is broken and needs to be banned because it can run all these moves at once and when you have this dozen of negative circumstances where you've put yourself into disadvantage, there is nothing your mon can do against [x].
>>58238940God he may be cringe, but when he's right, he's goddamn right
>>58238940For anyone who wants to know Verlisify's credentials when he speaks with authority about Smogon, this is what he thinks a good set is.
>>58238591>t.
>>58239384kek
>>58238631Eiscue w/ Freeze-Dry
>>58238631Tangrowth
I don't think grass/water coverage is even any more threatening than grass/rock overallWaterpon just fits on teams more easily because of its better defensive utility
>>58238591what makes this rather ordinary pokemon (in terms of gen 9) be considered so powerfulits item isn't even that good compared to band
>>58238631Toxicroak
>>58238694Then it lacks Play Rough and you can switch in any dragon>But it has multiple sets!Iron Valiant too stronk
>>58239137this actually worked doh
