>>58274414
i hate it but it looks cool so i'll live. if the next mainline game isn't turn based it might be over though.

The most experimental Pokemon has ever gotten in a mainline title and yet THIS is the one normaltards have decided to get anal about
Not SwShit for gutting the dex, having the most RETARDED gimmick in the series, and the SHITTIEST story to date
Not BDSP for being a soulless clone of a DS game with zero effort made to fix bugs and shit code and also looking like MySims for the fucking Wii
No, we should all shit on ZA because "WAAAH I'M TOO BROWN AND POOR"

>>58274486
ok but this thread is about turn based games

>>58274486
If it helps, BDSP is where I quit

>>58274414
Well it's why I didn't play the last Legends game and it's why I'm not playing this one

>>58274486
if it helps, SM is where I quit

>>58274851
Legends Arceus was turn based...

>>58274414
It's not really a problem. I think it looks fine but it all depends on how it feels when I have my hands on it. If it sucks and its the way of the franchise moving forward then I'm done with it aside from Rom hacks.

I'm getting the Switch 1 version so if that ruins the game then I'll probably just call it my end of Pokemon there even if its a good game on Switch 2.

>>58274860
Did you expect a PLAhaterschizo to know a single thing about the game?

>>58274414
Honestly I recently put around 300 hours into perfecting a PLA dex from scratch doing them by area and the combat reqs were easily the most "immersion breaking" aspect if that's the term you prefer. At least for that game the style of ZA does seem like it would make the actual experience loads better. So I guess I'm relatively optimistic about it, although I don't consider it to have competitive value.

>>58274414
Not a big fan of it but at least they are trying something different for once. I just hope its fun to play because they will probably ditch the turn based gameplay in Gen X.

>>58274414
I am really curious. I kinda like chaos, but moving while in battle (except against Megas) seems pointless because it looks like all attacks are homing attacks (except AoE attacks maybe?). Might not be an issue in multiplayer since people will probably spam AoE thus forcing you to move, but against 1v1 NPCs I don't see the point.
I'll wait until I see a playthrough first.

>>58274486
SwShit was where I ultimately quit. I did buy Legends Arceus and SV, partially because I hoped they would've gotten their shit together. (Even though they haven't since ORAS confirmed the games were going to become low effort slop from now on) Plus they did seem interesting, even if I really haven't played Legends Arceus since it first released. Maybe there's a reason for that.
SV and ZA's prerelease cycle proves that they're still going to shit out low effort slop for the rest of time, so I'm not even gonna bother. I still have the good games (Gen 1-5), plus the various spinoffs released throughout the years, before they turned into mobile slop. And hey, Pokopia looks fun. May pick that up, not as a Pokefag, but as a regular fag.

>>58274486
>we should all shit on ZA because "WAAAH I'M TOO BROWN AND POOR"

It feels so arbitrary to me, that people have decided Z-A is where they’re drawing the line.

>>58274414
I can't wait to see the mass suicide when gen 10 is revealed to also work like this because not turn based battles are the future of the franchise and it's what all future games are going to be like, if you want to play turn based you'll have to go to Pokemon champions

>>58274992
Helps to understand that the franchise has become a massive media machine and the games are just the central pillar around which the cards, anime, plushies, merch etc. are anchored. Delaying a new generation to smooth out the dogshit optimization or add more depth is simply unacceptable when all of the ancillary garbage is still on schedule, the games have to release first and the company just isn't going to eat millions and millions of dollars of losses on needing to postpone ad buys, shipping products to stores, printing shirts etc.

There's also the dimension of the franchise very aggressively and intentionally targeting children while the existing fanbase continues to age up, the developers are stuck in a lose-lose situation where the old school turned based JRPG format of the games that the extremely autistic older fans insist on endlessly replaying has to compete with way more flashy, action packed gameplay of modern games to get young people in the door. Its a pattern that happens to every big IP, they become insanely overcommercialized, constraining creativity, and then made into bland disjointed slop by trying to be everything to everyone who might buy the product.

>>58274860
That's not how I saw everyone else play it ie: hand to hand combat.

>>58275414
That was a one time thing for the noble battles (which were really cool), all other battles in the game are regularly turn based

Experimentation is good and I'll always welcome it in Pokemon. This seems like the most experimental one yet (fully new gameplay style, city setting etc.) for the series, so that's awesome. The command concept seems fun and I like that positioning matters.

I do wonder about what it means for the core gameplay mechanics the series has had until now, especially since we're getting Champions as well, which they've also confirmed is the way official tournaments will be handled. So is the long term plan to simply drop the classic gameplay style in the main games and pivot it into some sort of e-sports thing via Champions? It sure seems like it, and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

>>58274486
Normaltards will literally never be satisfied because they don't play Pokemon, they just know Pokemon is an easy target to complain about so they do it and move on because they, again, don't actually play the games.

What do you mean it’s not turn base? It’s the same gameplay as Scarlet.

>>58275794
It's not even close. It just looks equally ugly.

>>58274486
SV was a mistake

>>58275834
>>58275838
What I’m saying is wherever you touch a Pokémon, the battle automatically begins. It is still turn base. It is not like the older Pokémon games where the screen flashes and takes you to a different battle screen.

The sales for expedition 33 in persona alone should prove that term based RPG’s are still extremely popular as long as you put the time into them and make them a good game.

I cancelled my preorder when I saw it’s no longer live action.

>>58275238
Fun fact, according to GameFreak Z-A IS the start of gen 10, so whachu gonna do now?

>>58275794
>>58275844
Have you seen ANY gameplay of ZA?
It's real-time with moves on cooldown timers and completely different effects based on movement, range, ect

>>58275937
Why is every RPG moving to real time bullshit?

>>58275950
>for years was saying I'm glad Disgaea would never do this
>they just announced a new game this week
>it's basically the main series Disgaea dev team making a Disgaea action game
FUCK

>>58275950
skibidi zoomers need nonstop action and things happening on their screen or they'll get bored and start watching deepfried AI family guy + subway surfers

>>58275950
Not all of them. Expedition 33 is turn based. Trails in the sky 1st chapter is (mostly) turn based. Digimon Time Stranger is purely turn based. There were some others but I am blanking right now. Indies also keep the fire burning of course.
But it IS true that people are trying to phase turn based out. Maybe its zoomers, I wouldnt know.
But the fact is that I am not buying ZA because of it.

>>58275975
FF16 bombed and it went from turn base to action.

>>58274414
I like that there's an actual change of pace for once, and hope that the changes carry over to Gen 10. Ordinarily, I'd think that would be impossible, but as Champions seems to be taking over as the VGC title (unless they only support it for a couple of years), it makes Gen 10 carrying over PLZA's battle system or something similar pretty plausible.

The only apprehension I have is that it has the potential to make low-speed mons unviable or a chore to use. We'll have wait until release to see an in-depth dissection of the battle system to find out, but at least we don't have to wait long.

>>58275979
Final fantasy hasnt been turn based since, I wanna say 13? They've even re-released all the 16 bit turn based ones since then. But yes they definitely did think that turn based was a naughty word.
Speaking of square enix, the Dragon Quest HD releases have been turn based. Probably because its cheaper than to revamp the gameplay but still.

>>58274486
I presume its related to the price tag for the switch 2 and the game being more expensive. So in other words, the current complaints will die over time.

The funniest part to me is how fucking bad it looks in real time. It legitimately looks like the Pokémon and trainers are freaking out during a battle and I have no idea what to do so they’re just running around in circles throwing random attacks. It doesn’t look like a Pokémon battle at all.

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I knew I wasn’t going to buy the game the moment I saw the trainer fucking Dodge roll dark soul style. There is no fucking need for this in a Pokémon game ever.

>>58276037
Why the fuck would you need to dodge as a trainer in a Pokémon battle?

>>58276171
Because the attacks can hit and kill you?
That's clearly a PLA-esque boss fight

>>58276171
The rogue megas attack the trainers just like the Pokemon in PLA do, because they're going berserk. It makes sense lol

>>58276319
>>58276183
You also roll and move in trainer battles. It looks retarded. They are literally just trying to make a dark soul’s Pokémon game now.

>>58275900
That just means that it is more likely than whatever the 2026 game is will be real time battles also yes
Legends have been considered mainline games since the start so it sounds right to me

>>58276384
Gen 10 is turn base. Champions is the format. They are going to be using it all tournaments going forward. Why the hell would they make champions term base if the future of the franchise is real time?