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Come here for talk about all things Pokémon Mystery Dungeon.

Previous thread: https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58747954/ >>58747954

Romhacks Overview/Reviews: https://rentry.org/pmdglph

PMD Fan Fiction Archive: https://rentry.org/pmdg-ffarchive

PMD Guides: https://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5u
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Everything about the Clover Guild: https://cloverguild.com/
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Drawing Request: https://rentry.org/DrawReqPublic

Questions:
>When ghosts phase through solid matter, can they bring items or other Pokemon along with them?
>Should there be more type-specific passive abilities (like Water-types traveling through water tiles)?
>How literally should game mechanics be depicted in fanworks?
>What is the most technologically advanced thing the PMD world should have?

Recap of the previous thread:
>Pancham-anon posted more comic reviews: https://rentry.org/PMDComicReviews
>Kiyo-anon published "Three Strangers Deck the Halls": https://rentry.org/kcb-3
>Discussion about romhacks, crossbreeds, whether waking up in PMD would actually improve your life, and more.
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>>58797169
>>When ghosts phase through solid matter, can they bring items or other Pokemon along with them?
I'd like to think there's a density limit in terms of how far they'd be able to go with who it would be in question. Like a pane of glass might be easier but like burrowing through soil with somebody would be more difficult
>>Should there be more type-specific passive abilities (like Water-types traveling through water tiles)?
fuck yea. Maybe Ground-types can dig through walls without losing much energy, but i'm pulling that out of my ass and i'm no balancing expert
>>How literally should game mechanics be depicted in fanworks?
It depends on the mechanic and how you want to phrase it. Definitely keep stats out (like attack, HP, etc, these are abstractions for something else entirely and it's hardly exhaustive), don't try to be overly literal about that, but I feel you can use some of the elements from the games just as much so long as you can maintain an interesting story around it.
>>What is the most technologically advanced thing the PMD world should have?
I don't know as much about 'should' because if you go by some of the thematics... they know things a lot of people aren't willing to touch. Like, for instance, Gates with its thing with the cards manipulating the ley lines isn't something that came out of fucking nowhere nor is it completely incongruous with what the rest of it is talking about. I don't wanna hop on a tangent but what a lot of people think PMD should be technologically capable of is very limited and narrow, so personally I get fucky when someone says 'should' in our current world.

Answering this without relying on cheat shit that makes people uncomfortable however... accessibility shit for Pokemon of different body types is the first thing that comes to mind. I don't know how specific i can get cause it's not something I've thought through too much, but that's my answer fn
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>How literally should game mechanics be depicted in fanworks?
Numerical attributes outside of provable scientific quotients should be ignored. (ex: damage potency values versus how hot the temperature of a fire attack is) This goes for HP, stat attributes, and anything else that is an RPG value that is not distinctly measurable in a real way. This does not exclude the Pokemon type chart as that's openly acknowledged as a thing in mainline works, although in fanwork Pokemon can overcome their own weaknesses through non-game mechanic reasoning anyway.

>What is the most technologically advanced thing the PMD world should have?
We have a Pokemon species that's a combustion engine and it can contribute it's power to an appropriately built chassis, effectively creating automobiles. It's not a question of what's the most advanced thing PMD should have, it's how how industrialized and capitalistic can PMD world society feasibly become? This is a world where everyone has super powers, not everyone is formatted to a bipedal/humanoid body plan, and most of the known world is ravaged by supernatural disturbances known as mystery dungeons.

Super Mystery Dungeon showed the canonical limits of technology is "lol" with the connection orb shit. The moment you account for all the techy/artificial Pokemon in the dex or Pokemon with the capacity to revolutionize industry, it can only go up from there.
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It might be well past Vaporeon Day, but just replace that bit of text with "New Year!" and we're golden. At last, the final story for Team Eevee's first arc is here; introducing Genesis: An Epilogue

>https://rentry.org/CG-EGen

With that, it's wild to think that it's been a year since Guilded Age and I do want to say that the past year of writing has been wonderful! I'm so grateful to the Clover Guild's authors and readers for helping drive me to accomplish so many things I would've never thought possible, so thank you! Happy New Year's to (You) all!

Of course, thank you to Ribombee-anon for betareading. And as always, I hope y'all enjoy the story and I look forward to any discussion and feedback in the thread!
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>>58797299
Exciting! I look forward to reading it, and I'll be sure to leave a review :)! I hope it's happy... These characters have gone through enough Q~Q!!
>>58797169
>Ghost stuff
I like the density idea >>58797212 has! As for bringing along other Pokemon, probably not unless it's noted in the Pokedex... Items are okay but I don't wanna think about what happens if a ghost leaves an item in a wall Q_Q!!
>Type specific passive abilities
Yes!! I love these :]!! They make each pokemon feel more unique, and I love playing with them!
>Game mechanics
Don't do it! You are NOT 1 exp away from leveling up bro Q_Q!!!
>Technology
Gramophone or printing press imo! Newspapers and books are super comfy and can be useful narratively :)! Gramophone is nice cuz life without music can be rough...!
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>>58797169
>When ghosts phase through solid matter, can they bring items or other Pokemon along with them?
Other pokemon definitively not. And I'm inclined to say items to, but of course, in the games ghost types can go through walls with items perfectly fine. It'd be interesting if ghost types dropped their bag to the ground when they enter a wall.
>Should there be more type-specific passive abilities (like Water-types traveling through water tiles)?
Maybe? Only thing is that it'd be hard to add stuff to types like bug or psiquic, dual types gain another advantage over pure types, and that hovering movement exists and is not necessarily tied to type (Should Beedrill gain a Bug-Type perk, a Poisson-Type perk and hovering movement?). It could work if it's limited to new secondary terrain, like puddles of sludge only Poison types can walk on, or icy rivers where everybody but ice types slide around.
>How literally should game mechanics be depicted in fanworks?
As subtlety as possible, I don't want a repeat of Special Episode 0. I also agree that stats shouldn’t be mentioned straight up.
>What is the most technologically advanced thing the PMD world should have?
As long as it isn't full on sci-fi and it's not a technology from the modern world, I'm fine with anything. There are some cases of modern(-ish) technology in the games, like with the Meowth Theater, but you need to make sure you adapt it to the pokemon world.
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>>58797681
>Items are okay but I don't wanna think about what happens if a ghost leaves an item in a wall Q_Q!!
Items do spawn in walls in some dungeons, it'd be perfectly fine.
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>>58797681
>. Items are okay but I don't wanna think about what happens if a ghost leaves an item in a wall Q_Q!!
That's how you get wall bananas.
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>>58797169
>When ghosts phase through solid matter, can they bring items or other Pokemon along with them?
I write it as them being able to bring items and objects, but not other Pokémon. However, the more stuff the ghost is carrying the harder it gets to move through solid matter and past a certain point it is like trying to swim in Play-Doh.
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>>58797706
>>58797702
I think the larger problem is ||phasing into somebody and leaving a spike in their heart|| :|
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>>58797786
I'm literally killing myself
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>>58797671
It was worth it because... how exactly?
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>>58797814
Cause I can have both screens fit the entire monitor! It looks and feels way more immersive now to play mystery dungeon and ds games in general
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>>58797817
rotate that shit vertical so its the true top-down DS experience
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>>58797817
It's a 2D pixel art DS game being emulated on a pc with a single screen. What is immersive about this?
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>>58798550
If only there was a solution...
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>>58799960
I hope froakie gets to be in PMD someday
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>>58800425
super?
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>>58800431
oh yea
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post your favorite and least favorite thing about the PMD fandom or die
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>>58800574
>The good:
Some pretty fire romhacks
>The bad:
The sheer ignorance around Mystery Dungeon being more than a Pokemon thing, the constant Grovyle Mystery Dungeon cocksucks and ships with Dusknoir, the fact it's been 10 years since the last fully new game, the entire series is playable on a 3DS and there are still people who haven't played the 3DS titles. The furries
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>>58797299
Just read this, it's a great epilogue to the arc! As always, it reads very well, I didn't notice any grammatical issues, and it has a nice flow! There were bits where you let us infer d'Alin's dialogue by how Kina responded- I always appreciate stuff like that, because it cuts out the fluff that would usually add very little, I think :] Spoilers for the whole series: The little scene at the end was extremely heartwarming Q~Q! I've come to pretty much hate Althi but her being considerate enough to leave Pirth a lullaby was very sweet, and the most moving part of this story to me QuQ! It was very smart to have Pirth keep it a secret. The scene at the start with d'Alin and the ship was very well done. The letters from his former crew were a good way to show how they felt about it. The little bit about him seeing himself as the only 'bad' person in the ship was well done, but it does tie in to my biggest complaint, which is that d'Alin is PAINFULLY hypocritical. it kinda happens throughout the whole series, but here I noticed he's very quick to insist that Arimis deserves a chance to be happy/to be forgiven and grow etc etc, but as soon as Arimis is like "you too" he gets so melodramatic and resistant! I get that it's easier to say that sort of thing to someone else than it is to convince yourself, but still!! I really hope someone cool and brash knocks some sense into him someday!!!
Anyways, Ikarus was neat! I haven't read his background stories yet, he seems like a fine guy. Funny that he's deaf, and he's replacing Althi. The setup for their new mission is cool, though teaming them with the misfits will surely be disasterous. I'm curious to see how you'll make them work- Team Misfits are much more light-hearted than Team No-Longer Eevee. I'm also wondering how you'll change the name... Team Arceus' Silliest Clowns (ASC) might work.
Great work! Thank you for posting :]
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>>58800574
>Favorite
I'm surprised at how alive it still is and how much fanwork is made to this day despite the utter lack of games, and I doubt it would have been that much smaller if DX hadn't been released too.

>Least favorite
Too many retellings/rehashing of Rescue/Explorers stories in fanworks. And I mean both romhacks and webcomics.
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>>58797169
>What is the most technologically advanced thing the PMD world should have?
I have been recently thinking about the possibility of rotomdexes and other types of rotoms that possess some technological product somehow crossing the human barrier and coming into the PMD world to introduce foreign technology of humans into the primitive pokemon society.
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>>58803217
Why do you talk like a 14 year old?
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>>58800574
>favorite
It touches on narrative elements mainline games don't, but should have.
>least favourite
Being replete with faggots, including this general
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>>58803220
nta but teenagers dont talk like that
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>>58803217
>primitive
I'm not going to knock why this is the common consideration but there's a reason (one i can't word very well) this word is very stark when talking about these games.
Even considering people don't like it when the world gets fancy magic technical.
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A lot of forms of technology just aren't necessary for pokemon. They have powers that make up for it. Long distance communication? Ask a psychic type to do it. Heavy construction? Gurdurr will help you out. Cooking or freezing food? Fire and ice types are there for you. Long distance travel? Flying types and Lapras.

I just can't believe there would be motivation for pokemon to build a society similar to our modern one when they can function just fine
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>>58803708
I think for goods/services that are necessary enough that Pokemon will want to be able to have them without relying on other Pokemon, there would be tech for it. Like, letters. Sure you could have a psychic send the message telepathically, or a carrier bird could memorize the message, but you have more privacy and autonomy with a letter. Same with ovens, knives, etc
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I want my rotom powered microwave oven.
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>>58804436
You sir are advocating for Rotom slavism.
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>tfw you wake up in PMD but in the distant future where the world is going through an industrial revolution and everything sucks
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>>58805807
I feel like snakes would give great hugs
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>>58797786
Maybe ghost types can only go through inanimate things
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>>58806177
They don't have arms though
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>>58804432
Well making paper and delivering letters is a lot easier than inventing an oven. I could see traditional wood stoves being common but anything past that, why put in that much effort into research testing and materials?
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>>58806944
I wouldn't say ovens are a particularly "high tech" invention. They probably don't have anything more modern than an 18th century regency wood stove, but it's not like "contain fire in a space and use it to cook food and heat the home" is a particularly big brained invention.
Fire types can generate the fire, but it's more efficient to use wood or hot stones than have a living person sit there and produce the heat at a constant rate.

Beast would probably be better off with a real oven and have Ronnie keep it stocked with wood rather than have his fat ass sit in one spot all day and fart fire.
>pic related. Beast could have any of these stoves and they'd do better work than Ronnie
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>>58807021
Beast has a real oven. In his stories he mentions having a gas stove at his restaurant and complains about the wood stove in the guild, funnily enough, which threw me off because gas stove seems out of place in PMD for me.
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>>58807032
I suppose there are technically pokemon who's whole biology is producing explosive gas, but bottling, pressurising and transporting that gas seems a little advanced.
That's how I explain away the existence of floating balloons that are obviously filled with helium. A Koffing or a Weezing filled them. Rubber comes from a plant, so the balloon itself is fair game.
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>>58807021
These types of ovens are totally reasonable. I would never dispute this
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My head canon is a PMD world would probably be on generally on par with the roman empire as far as tech goes. I will not elaborate.
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>>58807097
I see what you're implying
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Doesn't the guild have plumbing as well? May have just been because many anons didn't want to have to incorporate medieval bathrooms into the world. Smelting the pipes seems like the difficult part, controlling water pressure and purifying water seems easier in PMD.
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I finally updated my comic page to include the colored versions, done by Linoone-anon! It's not quite caught up, and updates are still going to be sparse, but Linoone-anon did a wonderful job, so check the link if you're interested in yet another PMD webcomic that went on hiatus after 15 pages! -u-;
https://rentry.org/kcb-c1
>>58807047
Depending on your answer to the ghost-type question, you might be able to
1) build metal tank underground to hold the gas, with only one outlet valve
2) have a ghost type make the koffing incorporeal and bring them inside
3) koffing makes a ton of propane gas, increases the pressure in the tank
4) ghost type escorts the koffing back out
Alternatively you could have a teleporting Pokemon bring the koffing in/out :P
all this to replace one (1) fire type. maybe worth it if you live in a town that happens to have no fire types, but it IS a hassle! maybe this is why native pokemon are often more cheerful and kind- they live in a society where it might be common to ask favors from Pokemon of certain types, so it's important to be on good terms with everyone? :o
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>>58807406
>maybe worth it if you live in a town that happens to have no fire types
A blast seed could potentialy help any pokemon start a fire, unless you have damp as your ability or something, then you're boned.
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>>58807447
>An incendiary grenade could help you start a fire
Theoretically yeah. Wouldn't recommend it
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>>58807516
kek
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>>58807406
I really like this colour scheme for the guild interior. The soft greens are so pretty.
Also reminded me that I drew this and never posted it. I've been wanting to finish so much more art lately but I feel so burnt out for no reason. But it's my birthday today and I think the sketches are really sweet so I'm posting them anyway
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>>58807795
Happy birthday, Petal-Purr.
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>>58807795
adorable. happy birthday!
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>>58807795
It's so cute!! Even your sketches are so pleasant :)!
I hope you had a wonderful birthday!
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>>58807795
really cute drawings!! happy birthday!!
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>>58807795
hap birth and thank you for the wonderful scribbles
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>>58807795
Happy birthday. Those are nice sketches.
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so called free thinkers when happy birthday
happy birthday btw
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This birthday talk makes me wonder how birthdays are handled by the guild and humons in general.
If PMDland doesn't have the same calendar system as Earth, would they choose the day they got isekai'd as their birthday, or just pick a random date that is somewhat close to their original b-day season-wise?
And private parties aside, would the guild collectively do something for a member's birthday (like a toast at dinnertime), or would everyone have too much social autism for something like that?
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>>58808813
a fanfic i'm reading decided to allocate such celebratory circumstances as by season. So if you're born in winter, there's a winter celebration for all the winter birthdays, so on and so forth for every season, irrespective of actual day.

Years are canon in PMD (check explorers postgame) but how those are measured and what calendar system they use is never broached. gates also features a quest where swadloon goes missing purely to find a gift in a mystery dungeon because it is his mother's birthday that day that doesn't provide any necessary specifics beyond the emotional component of the scene.

so considering all this, you can probably get closer to modern interpretations if you want to, but it's all vague and unclear
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>>58808813
I think the guild used a system like "early season, mid season, late season as an equivalent to the 12 months in the year just to make things simple
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>>58806177
snugs
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>>58809014
giwtwm
>>58808866
I do like the idea of celebrating all the months birthdays at the same time, though that'd feel much less personal, I imagine. Probably for the best, or else the guild would have a birthday every other day.
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>>58807795
I'm jealous of the Bulbasaur. She gets to snuggle Kiyo and I don't.
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>>58805019
*everything is far better
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We need to come to a conclusion here. Is Ted Kaczynski happy in this world or not?
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>>58808866
>Years are canon in PMD (check explorers postgame) but how those are measured and what calendar system they use is never broached.
Is there any reason to assume their calendar is any different from the one we use IRL?
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Remember that the first two PMD games were written with the belief that humans existed in the world off-screen. If this is the case, they're almost certainly using the same calendar system. If you don't want to acknowledge that that's canon, then write whatever fanfic explanation you want and don't waste your time arguing about it.
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>>58810023
The odds that the pokemon world's rotation along its axis and around its sun are 1 to 1 with earths are rather slim, any small variation would lead to different year lengths that would need to be accounted by the calendar (If the pokemon world's rotation along it axis were ever so slightly faster such that a day lasts 23.5h, that would make a year go from lasting 365 days to around 373, assuming same translation length). Even if those two conditions are the same, our calendar system is rather arbitrary, and most likely wont be equal to whichever one is used in the pokemon world (365 days can be arranged into 12 months with 28 days and one with 29 days, for example).
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>>58810023
Autistic desire to waste authors finite resources onto almost entirely uniportant shit. Prime example - >>58810075
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>>58810075
Pokemon Mansion has journal entries that reference real months. And they changed Mew giving birth in the remakes, but didn't change the dates. Thus, it's safe to assume that the humans of the pokemon world use real-life calendar. And the pokemon in the PMD world would almost certainly inherited it from humans.
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>>58810023
Yes, because Pokémon are smart and would obviously use a 13-month callendar.
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>>58810099
I don't see Cinnabar Island or Kanto anywhere in this world map.
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>>58810131
>world map
That's a single archipelago.
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>>58810061
I've never heard this, what's the source? I'm interested.
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>>58810312
I think its implied in rescue team from Gengar touching Ninetales tail as a human, so he must have been a human in the pokemon world, and in explorers, with the hero being a human in the paralysed future, which is never explained and I hate it. Gates and Super have really shied away from humans being in the pokemon world, establishing the pokemon world as its own thing and the human turned pokemon as coming from the real world.
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>>58810312
Somebody posted translated interviews a couple months ago in the thread

https://www.tumblr.com/pmdcollector/787567058727649280/special-interview-the-past-present-and-future

Shinichiro Tomie says the following (translated obviously)
> Actually, when it comes to the world, while they do not make any appearances, humans do exist as far as the setting goes. But when discussing the world with Kawamura-san at the start, she said that she wanted to keep "Pokémon trainer throwing Pokéballs" as a separate thing.

Gates retconned this by having humans referred to as myths and legends, and coming from another world our world because of 4th wall bullshit. Super... I don't know what the fuck was going on with Super. Humans really don't impact the story of that game at all. Protag could be a normal pokemon and it wouldn't have affected the story at all. You could argue this for the rest of the series (except for Gates) but I feel it especially relevant with Super.
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>>58810347
Super’s hero is reincarnated from another human from the past, so even if it doesn’t really affect the story, it makes sense for the Super protag to be human. I guess that raises the question of why that ancient human was in the Pokemon world in the first place. I don’t remember if there was an explanation for that, but I’m sure there are possible reasons for it, like the Pokemon believing a human is needed to beat Dark Matter or the human being warped into the world by complete accident. I don’t think the exact reason matters too much.
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>>58810367
I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. I'm saying it added absolutely nothing to the story and if there was no reason to do it, why even bother? We have to play this whole game of justifying its existence by going "maybe this, maybe that" but we can't make a definitive statement of why it was necessary. I think it would've been more interesting to play as a native who got reincarnated alongside Mew with amnesia. It would've made the reveal with the partner more obvious, but everyone saw that coming anyways. The games just have this weird obsession with the protagonist having to be a self insert is my guess for why they did it.
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>>58810347
The fuck were they thinking
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>>58810347
They can say this but practically nothing in the games actually supports this aside from the weirdness with Explorer's protag. Doesn't the pre-quiz text say otherwise as well?
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>>58810449
This was brought up a few threads back and turns out that's only in the English version. The original doesn't say the world is inhabited ONLY by pokemon.
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>>58810465
Regardless, saying there's humans in that world is like me saying "the loch ness monster is totally real guys!"
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>>58810478
Well apparently Nessie's real because humans definitely existed in Explorers and they probably existed in Rescue Team. Unless you want to argue that Ninetales hops between dimensions too and predicts natural disasters for a world it doesn't normally live in, and the power plant and human lab are also traveling between time and space, something that wasn't a concept in gen 3 when that game was being written.

Follow the retcons or write your fanfic. It's your choice.
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>>58810449
That, and if humans did exist how the hell would they have not come across these Pokemon settlements? It's not the age of exploration, they have satellites and technology. The "Pokemon Archipelago" would have been found.
As always, it feels like we're patching up scraps chunsoft didn't care for. Still, it's fun to try and base the fiction off what they were going for, if possible.
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>>58810478
I've got bad new for you.
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>>58810465
My take away from that comment was moreso: Why does it start with welcoming to the pokemon world if your protag is already from the pokemon world? The other games have the intro take place in universe, (In fact, Gates sets up a later plot twist in its intro) why isn't that the same with explores?
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>>58810502
Add it to the list of completely retarded things written into Explorers that make no sense on closer examination. My explanation is that the protagonist in explorers is not actually Grovyle's partner, but some other human with the same name and ability that got mistaken for his partner and the real partner died in that time travel incident instead
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>>58810491
>Follow the retcons or write your fanfic. It's your choice.
My fanfic is that pokemon franchise ended with gen 5
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>>58810514
For me the most retarded thing about Explorer's writing is the fact the guardians of the time gears don't know there's a point to taking the time gears from where they are stationed. Dumbasses thought that putting them back to their place would undo the time paralysis, and not taking them to Temporal Tower, something that a lizard who hasn't seen time was able to deduce. The whole guardian figure would have worked if they were mindless beast, but instead they casted the being that granted knowledge to living beings as one of them.
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>>58810502
For the same reason that Professor Oak welcomes you to the world of pokemon and explains what they are.
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>>58810541
The time gears themselves are handled in an extremely retarded way. I'd explain further but I rambled about Explorers plenty months ago and I don't feel like repeating myself. Basically what you said, plus them being scattered all over the world and not a single person knowing what they're for in the past.
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If the Time Gears were meant to fix Temporal Tower, why didn't Dialga just keep them in the basement?
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>>58810600
For the same reason that the stoneship fragment washed up on the beach: so that two plucky mainlanders could go on an adventure to collect them.
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>>58810608
>Arceus constructed the world like this so it would be fun to save
Cute
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>>58810619
Based SantArceus then
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>>58810600
Because keeping them in the lakes is needed for shit to function properly. Bringing them to Temporal Tower is just a temporary measure that has to be taken when everything is too fucked up at the tower. The gears are later returned to the lakes when Dialga gets his shit together.

Source: my ass.
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>>58810541
>>58810573
>>58810829

an aspect ignored here is that depending on one's interpretation so this could be headcanon, is that grovyle's future was already ruined while the time gears were just in the locations they were in in the past. leaving them at their original locations separate of the tower then wasn't a good idea, but the why was simply never questioned by anyone.

agreed that they are handled extremely poorly, however, even regarding this
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>>58810905
I wish I had 1/10 of that Quagsire's rizz.
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>>58810905
What is this from? I'm not used to writing and art both being this competent with pmd art
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>>58811286
https://pmdbirdsofprey.cfw.me/comics/1
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>>58810497
Had talked about this in previous threads, but it's worth bringing up again.
My headcanon, along with some other fans who used similar things in their works, is that the human world and the pokemon world coexist but are separated by some sort of barrier in unknown place(s) where humans are normally denied entry except for instances like world danger where human dexterity is needed. I consider it to be some kind of pocket dimension inside the human world.
Now the answers to the following questions depend on the person, but I'll give mine:
>Why were they separated in the first place?
Going with the tone of RT, humans in general were abusive of pokemon and they needed a safe haven.
>So there are no Pokemon in the human world?
I consider the human world to be the mainline universe (which would explain the existence of human-made pokemon like Mewtwo). So no, they do exist. The pokemon who desperately sought refuge ended up in PMD.
>Is PMD a copy of the human world?
Wouldn't say a full copy, but there are overlapping parts. Mt. Freeze is an example.
>Since when this separation existed?
At least a couple of centuries would be my guess. The curse was still ongoing during RT, so it actually had to be less than 1000 years.
>How did Explorers protag end up in PMD world?
He or she was either called like RT protag or the paralysis somehow lifted the barrier and the humans were able to investigate.
>Power Plant and Decrepit Lab?
Mystery Dungeon shenanigans copying or "swallowing" places of the main world into the PMD world.

Mainly based on Rescue Team and Explorers, I did not account for those past them. Might not be perfect, but since this issue is more relevant to fanfics anyway, this is what I prefer to go with.
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>>58811295
I hadn't seen this. Looks great so far.
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I hate pitfall traps so much its unreal
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>>58811371
>My head canon
Don't care didn't read
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>>58811371
This is a huge stretch and I don't get the point of it. But it's your headcanon, so have fun I guess.
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>>58808574
Thank you so much to everyone for the birthday wishes. I cherish every one and they legit made me feel happy and loved
I've been doodling some more. I kind of like not pressuring myself to make everything a fully finished piece. Making something is better than making nothing

>1/2 Shelby in the kitchen. Beast says no.
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>>58812964
>2/2 Pochi and Heidi carrying the same big stick.
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>>58812968
>Heidi displaying teamwork skills
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>>58813058
She's a dog, so she is innately good at teamwork and wants to work for the benefit of the group. She's just a follower though, not a leader. Pochi would be the director of operations. The branch manager.
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>>58812964
Doodles are always appreciated. I weep for Shelby's soon-to-stinging paw.
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>>58812964
Beast could at least let her lick the bowl wtf...
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>>58814102
once you let one guildie lick the bowl the entire guild will be demanding to lick the bowl
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>>58814080
probably won't just be the paw...
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>>58814583
Head bonking imminent. The spoon is a warning. Next time it will be the frying pan
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>>58814930
Shelby with one of those Tom and Jerry head bumps
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>>58816136
Was chespin hatched ?
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>>58816283
Lol, I think it's an emera.
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>>58815522
Wonder why only some of them evolved

>>58816136
What would happen if you snorted emera dust?
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>>58816539
>What would happen if you snorted emera dust?
Snort enough and an emera forms in your kidney.
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>>58816567
Kidney stones
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>>58816602
Is that how evolution stones are produced?
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>>58816656
Translate
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>>58816733
>*When he[Jolteon] was an Eevee
>This stone will make me become a Jolteon?!!

>I already told you we don't eat it~

You can read the entire comic translated here: https://e926.net/pools/21427
But it is a sequel to this other comic: https://e926.net/pools/21410
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>>58816966
that darkie is fucking roid'd out of his mind
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>>58800574
Idk I don't interact with the fandom beyond this thread.
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>>58816966
ain't that the furry porn website
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>>58817424
e926 is sfw. e621 has the porn
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>>58817433
>926 is sfw
>621 is nsfw
what do the numbers mean mason?
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>>58817424
Afraid of something?!
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>>58817447
E926 is chlorine dioxide and E621 is monosodium glutamate.
They're codes for food additives. E621 has a savory or meaty taste, it's basically a dick joke.
E926 is used for bleaching. So is thus SFW.
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>>58817470
>codes for food additives
I was ready for a lot of different possibilities, but this was not one of them.
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>>58817493
Anon... Surely you've looked at ingredients lists before...? E621 is obnoxiously common. Please take note of what you eat...
Like I always knew it was an additive, just never bothered figuring out which and why.
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>>58818262
>Surely you've looked at ingredients lists before...?
that's asking a lot of these sorts of people here anon...
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>>58818262
Who the fuck is remembering the specific numbers and letters in ingredients lists? Don't care how common it is. Unless it breaks into the news like Red 40 did there's no reason to remember it
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>>58818262
Normal people just call it MSG
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>>58802617
I thought this was Paper Mario from the thumbnail
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>>58802617
It's only alive because of nostalgiafags and teenagers who learn about it through BlueSky furry circles who are also nostalgiafags
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>>58818262
I’ve literally never seen E621 written on an ingredients list.
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>>58817470
>tfw even porn comes with artificial flavorings now
baka my head
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>>58818262
>E numbers, short for Europe numbers, are codes for substances used as food additives ~ for use within the European Union (EU) and European Free Trade Association (EFTA).
Unfortunately I only acknowledge freedom numbers.
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>>58819767
So furries are all europoors actually?
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>>58820593
honestly quite true
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>>58819767
I never realized they were invented by the EU. I guess that makes sense, no need for other additives when you can just add corn syrup to literally fucking everything instead.
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>>58807406
Every pokemon in this drawing is adorable
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How do they make disks in the PMDverse?
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>>58822581
The question is moreso how do they use them.
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>>58822581
In my setting they're just magic rocks that happen to be circular and shiny.
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>>58822581
I was under the impression that they just kind of show up in mystery dungeons like all the other weird magic bullshit.
Recycle can keep them in circulation, but I don't think the pokemon actually make the TMs.
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How big of a problem would bootleg recycled and pirated TM's be?
>use calm mind from a shady looking TM
>end up with schizophrenia until you get to a wonder tile
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What's your favorite PMD romhack?
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>>58822766
They'd work just fine but Big Kec wouldn't want you to know that.
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>>58822776
Im a clovercel chud, so unironically it's The Weather Up There, with the Togetic hack in close second.
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>>58823729
always really makes me happy to hear people love hacks we worked on

check's in the mail btw
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>>58822766
I'd be funny if schizophrenia made you hallucinate a monster house lol.
>>58822776
There are a handful of hacks I'd consider the best, so I'll mention Halloween Havoc since the amount of attention it gets is quite modest. The halloween hack that dared not to be an edgy and gory unscary piece of shit, and instead goes for a “spooky” trick-or-treating theme. The town feels lived in and looks gorgeous, same goes for all the costumed pokemon. The story is minimalistic, but I dig it, and the gameplay is enjoyable and highly repayable, with 3 dungeons you can take on any order before the big final dungeon, and 7 playable characters across 3 teams.

Also what made you choose that EoY screenshot lol? The hack's good overall, but the fucking Buizel X Archen ship fucks it up. Yet another consequence of Special Episode 0.
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>>58822660
>In my setting they're...
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>>58823977
yeah, that'll happen when you want to pretend technology is only exclusive to modern-day cities
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>>58822776
Never played any custom-story romhacks yet, outside of the clover hacks. Explorers of Alpha as a QoL/difficulty hack has been more enjoyable than I was expecting though. The little puzzle and mini-boss rooms you see every so often are fun and that little custom prison break sequence in the future was something new.

>>58823749
Just walking around the guild and talking to everyone in Toge's VSE brought a stupid, goofy smile to my face.
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>>58824329
Wouldn't mind another Clover Guild Hack that just has you walking around as X guild member and talking to people
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>>58823939
I remember that hack. It was cute and had a ton of effort put into its custom assets, but I gave up because I kept failing dungeons and losing items. That might have just been my fault rather than the hack being poorly balanced, though. I'd still say it's worth playing.
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>>58824749
I've been working on something like this on and off, but it's at a standstill right now because I want there to be some kind of mission the team goes on. Don't want it to be nothing but "walk around and talk" at the end of the day.
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will Chespin and Cider ever settle their differences?
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>>58825425
Maybe in the yaoi fics
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>>58824749
Or an unaware native having a look at the guild before joining and experiencing the autism firsthand.
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Guildies who are fluent in Footese and Unown?
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>>58826601
Cyndaquil for the former
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How could they make the gameplay more interesting? It seems that's the least talked-about aspect of the games.
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>>58826601
Cider is fluent in both, because he’s so smart and handsome
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>>58826653
Least talked about because everyone obsesses over the relatively subpar story. You can't make the gameplay more interesting to these people without changing the genre entirely
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>>58826653
I would love to see an Action RPG PMD game. Keep the dungeons and the structure, but try something new with the core gameplay.
>Potentially more engaging than the low-strategy PMD dungeon crawl
>More room for party members to impact fights, without needing to be manually operated
>Many of the items/moves/dungeon structures could be translated without too much difficulty
>Opens the door to true multiplayer
Maybe this is cheating, by changing the formula so much, but to me Super felt like they had no more ideas for how to make MD gameplay interesting. In 2026, it feels like the regular formula will be even less broadly appealing, so I hope they change things up if they make a new one.
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>>58826700
Dude, at that point just play PMU, no need to change the games into something entirely different, who gives a fuck about newfags who don't find the current stile appealing?
Also, reminded to anyone who doesn’t know, PMD is a crossover between Pokemon and Mystery Dungeon, removing the turn-based grid-base dungeon crawling from Mystery Dungeon is utterly idiotic.
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>>58826739
>PMU
?
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>>58826741
Pokemon Mystery Universe,Fanmade PMD MMO with real time gameplay.
https://pmuniverse.net/
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>>58826739
The musings of a literal lobotomite.
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>>58826739
>PMD is a crossover between Pokemon and Mystery Dungeon
If they make it any other genre, they'll have to remove Mystery Dungeon from the name. Also PMU's gameplay is awful. At best, it's good for roleplay
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>>58826779
PMU does sacrifice a lot for the sake of allowing multiplayer. Item play is dead and buried due to enemies moving and attacking you in real time while you navigate your bag to reach the item, you pretty much only use belly and PP restoratives and revivers. You can hotkey items, but that requires making a party member hold it over an item that gives passive effects to the team. The best thing it's got going for it is a fully featured overworld you need to traverse to reach the dungeons, instead of selecting them from a menu.
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>>58826653
Make dungeons and bosses more like Chocobo's Dungeon 2. And by that I mean:
>more interesting dungeon design with interactive props and unique features for each dungeon (even if that results in a lower number of dungeons as a tradeoff)
>more gimmicks to boss fights
>add the unidentified item system from it and Shiren (though maybe only for "challenge" dungeons)
>greater trap variety with some being beneficial to the player and encouraging strategic use of them
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The last thing I want is these games changing up gameplay in the name of accessibility. The gameplay filters normies and furfags with no patience.
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>>58827401
Pokemon is a normalfag franchise retard
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>>58827548
Mystery Dungeon is not, retard
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>>58827643
(You)
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>>58826601
It's always been pretty random whether a character automatically knows the pokemon language or needs to learn it. It usually gets glossed over in stories.
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>>58828319
You get to learn spoken language for free. Why wouldn't you learn to read at the same time?
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Congratulations for completing the 59th drawingboard!!! Amazing work everyone! This one has holiday vibes, as it was done during christmas and new years. Love it!

And now, we are unto the next one!!! Blank board, Join in!!

https://magma.com/d/2XwFH8wzCz
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>>58827401
>The gameplay filters normies and furfags with no patience.
And what we're left with happens to be just as bad if not worse.
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>>58797169
1. I can tell you they can't, at least not without prior training, it's very cool when they do though.

2. Something for rock types would be cool

3. Any depiction is cool in my opinion, I lean more towards as close as possible without showing literal stat blocks and videogame holoscreens. Its important to take liberties where you can though! (Maybe use more than 4 moves once or twice, or go wild)

4. Middle ages. I think the worñd has enough fire and steel pokemon to enter the middle ages and smith some stuff iunno
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>>58828348
Wait what, I didn't know Sneasel got a metal... arm??
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>>58829120
She's using Metal Claw. Her claws/arm become metallic when using the move, so it can be used defensively in addition to being an attack. I never got around to writing a story where she learns it, but canonically, she learned the move at some point.
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>>58826700
I want this too.
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>>58826700
You just described the Yokai Watch Blasters games.
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>>58828916
>i have paws!
why is this a good thing?
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>>58829237
common furfag fetish, notice how it is followed by the logical conclusion that the lack of thumbs is clearly more detrimental
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>>58827401
The gameplay filters developed adults because it is very fucking boring. Now, it filters brainrotted kids too.
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>>58829537
Just like the mainline games
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Any of you guys watch any PMD series on youtube?
I listen to some dnd games while I'm busy with other stuff.

I tried to watch Arceus's Wish too, but during the fight scene it randomly flashes the Espeon's ass hole.

Only a furfag would ruin what's supposed to be a tense moment like this.
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>>58829856
How many years has it been since episode 2 of this series? It's been a glorified soundtrack for a while

And the only PMD series I've "watched" outside of this was PMD Snow. A TTRPG podcast. Don't know the exact system but it looks like reskinned 5e and it's this weird mix of a more typical medieval fantasy with Pokemon. There's magic that's separate from Pokemon abilities that only a few people can use. And they use swords and shit if I remember correctly
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>>58829856
kek they even drew a completely unnecessary x butthole on her. but honestly, the art style and character designs already make it obvious that it’s done by a furfag. not that it’s surprising, given this is pmd.
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Watching people bitch about the presence of furries in the PMD community will never not be funny to me.
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>>58830463
so tired this kind of attitude bro. a lot of us like pokemon and like the idea of a world of just pokemon - just because furries also latch onto this, we have to be okay with them sexualizing things and injecting other furry type shit into community? There's nothing sexual or anything that furries tend to inject into this community in the source material, im SO TIRED of people acting like we're in the wrong for telling them to not inject it
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>>58830617
You're tired of people laughing at you because you walked into an ocean and you're complaining that it's full of fish?
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>>58830679
no, im mad because i went to the beach and a bunch of people in speedos decided to start doing unflattering stretches in front of my beach chair, and no matter where i seem to go to place my chair they follow and keep doing their stretches
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>>58830713
>no, im mad because i went to the beach and a bunch of people in speedos decided to start doing unflattering stretches in front of my beach chair
Which is also a great analogue, because you're bitching that other people don't conform to your moral standards, even though you're both in a public space.
>and no matter where i seem to go to place my chair they follow and keep doing their stretches
Damn, I'm so sorry that furries are breaking into your house, tying you to a chair, and forcing you to watch furry shit. If only you were free to pick what kind of media you consume.
You realise that if all the furries suddenly lost interest in PMD and stopped making PMD stuff, there'd just be less PMD stuff, right? It wouldn't magically fill with non-furry PMD stuff (whatever you consider that to be).
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>>58830770
stop feeding the retard
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>>58830713
Stop feeding the retard
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>>58830770
>not conforming to moral standards
of what? not being freaky in public spaces? If someone kicks sand in my face and stomps on my feet while I'm chilling on the beach, it's my own fault because the other guy isn't conforming to MY moral standard? legitimately brain dead take.

>nobody's forcing me to watch furry shit
except it keeps leaking into spaces that are not inherently furry or encompass a large subgroup within the fandom because of people like you whose attitude is that "well, everything is furry in pmd so it's okay if I just inject my fetish into this space".

>there'd be less PMD stuff
except this isn't even an issue to me, because the "void" they're filling now, they're just filling with awful shit i didn't want to see anyway.

I'm not gonna argue any more after this point. Furries have a right to exist within the community, i'm not stupid, i know this is PMD, but I wish that they didn't seem to think that they are like, the default or that everyone should just be chill with the weird shit they get up to. If I have to respect your right to be a furry, you have to respect my right to not be chill with seeing that shit so much
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I can't wait to see the great furry debate in the next thread recap
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Chikorita always felt out of place in that anime special
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>>58830909
They wanted a female member of the trio but didn't feel like Bulbasaur fit the gig. I'm more curious of why they decided to make it a trio to begin with

And why does it end on To Be Continued? I feel like we were robbed of a spinoff anime
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>>58830991
That To Be Continued? broke my heart as a kid.
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>>58830825
get fucked
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>>58829199
I guess that makes sense. For some reason my mind jumped to "Sneasel lost an arm and got a replacement", like some king of... Large Chief

I guess at least one person here would dig it
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I want a full PMD anime series.
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>>58832010
Its entirely CGI in the art style of detective pikachu.
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>>58832010
It's R rated.
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>>58832010
It gets a very good first season setting up a lot of good plot points and promising characters and then it ends like most PMD comics. Meaning it suddenly gets abandoned and remains incomplete.
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Finished reading https://rentry.org/namedatlast

Definitely a lot of descriptive writing in this one. How did Cheris survive that long in a barrel? Also this might be the only character that might actually have some respect for Ronnie.

The artwork at the end is pretty good too, and Tarountula is definitely an unusual mon to see in a story.
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>>58827401
Furfags watch the cutscenes on youtube.
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>>58829856
I never knew there were that many youtube pmd series around. Any recs?
I've always been more into the fanfic and webcomic side of things. If you haven't read abridgestery dungeon, it's a must.
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God I wish I was a pokemon
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>>58832835
pokemon shrug off things that should have killed them all the time. the anti paralysis properties of the cheri syrup may have also been a factor.
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>>58832963
nta. "Team Five" from CitrusClips was actually enjoyable. It's more like a PowerPoint slide show, but the story was charming with not too much cringe voice acting.
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>>58832972
Even a bidoof?
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>>58832972
>turns into a Wishiwashi
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