Smogon is finally testing Solgaleo in OU.
>>58798599I hope she stays in OU.
>>58798599Was looking at its stats. That 113 SpA is such a waste.
>>58798599Was it even good before Necrozma mogged it into oblivion? Didn't play Ubers in Gen 7.
>>58798610she?
>58798629Yes, fuck off.
>>58798629Every pokemon that can be female is female. All of your pokemon canonically sleep in a big pile with you when you go to bed.Sorry I dont make the rules, gamefreak does.
>>58798612It's got Calm Mind and BoltBeam if you're inclined towards that
>>58798638>BoltBeamThat’s not Lunala
Smogon is allergic to a static ruleset, truly the format for ADHD children
Kyurem-Black in OU was funny at first but I'm starting to get scared why the fuck is Zamazenta there
>>58798599>[clown fanfic format] is doing [thing]why should I care
>>58798672You replied
>Keep in mind that this is not official, and that this ladder will not directly lead to a Solgaleo suspect test or unban in SV OU.
>>58798599Humiliation ritual
>>58798677to ask why I should care, yes. You're not very smart, are you?
>>58798635It can't be female
>58798610>58798630 (you first)Lunala is Uber>58798635Cope dogfucker, you and your shitty mons will never have the benefit of the doubt.
>>58798618No, lol. Outclassed by Mega Metagross.
>>58798667Powercreep is a funny thing this generation.
>>58798667Gen 9 is literally the most power creeped generation everThere's been like 20 gen 9 pokemon banned to ubers and there are still some that should probably be banned right nowZamazenta is unironically healthy and important for this current meta game
>>58798599Power creep is that bad now, huhIt’s why I stopped playing competitive (even VGC, shit is ass with that stupid fire cat running around)
>>58798612>Great special movepool(Fire moves, Electric moves, Focus Blast etc)>Calm Mind + Reliable recovery Less wasted than Lunala’s 113 Attack LMAO
>>58798920Lunala is a multi-time world champion never mention her name in the same breath as the bum Solgaleo ever again
>>58798920>Special movepool that you’re never using over physical >Boosting move that you’re never usingAt least Lunala is actually used LMAO
I was going to make a joke about how they're basically testing Mega Metagross in OU, but that would've been giving this cat too much credit. It really is statted like shit.>57 more HP>8 less Attack>43 less Defense>8 more Special Attack>21 less Special Defense>13 less Speed>being able to use an item + Clear Body vs. Tough ClawsThese guys only have a 20 point difference overall.
Why not try out Zekrom and Reshiram too? Theyve sucked even longer.
>>58798610>>58798629>>58798635It's a lion with a lion's mane. Lunala is a female though. There you go, a legendary that is 100% Female without any wishful thinking
>>58798599This girl gets to ride that, regardless of tier
>>58798599I'd like to test Solgaleo.In bed.Sexually.
>>58799110Reshiram maybe but Zekrom now has DD so unlikely
>>58799110Solgaleo getting let in when everyone realizes he's not hot shit will open the door for others I doubt Zekrom or Reshiram will be much better than Kyreum
>>58798667Dauntless Shield got nerfed and Ironpress sets are managable.
>>58798599will never understand why people listen to the council of virgins. just play what you want, fuck it if the other fag doesn't like it
>>58799489anything goes is also very much available for playstyles like that
>>58799489Well you see, VGC has prize money.
Seems like a nice choice for balance teams and matches up well into HO. Actually a good choice for once, but of course needs to be proven.
>>58799647It probably won't add very much to the tierGets packed up by Ceruledge/Tusk/Kingambit/DragapultLike Solgaleo is dying to Torkoal overheat from full Garg is almost always going to be a better option for balanced teams
>>58800149Iron Crown is going to be a better option period
>>58798878needs a scovillain drinking flyhgon's tears in a cup
>>58799110Zekrom doesn't suck, not after it got DD. that alone guarantees it to stay in Ubers forever
>ban a few OP pseudos and other non-legendaries but keep a few box legendaries and mythicals in on purpose to fuck over stallbreakers that beat the faggy pink mons + corviknight + dondozo + turdsires that always seem to make up the majority of high ladder teams even though stall was "nerfed"smogon in a nutshell
>>58798878Keep your weird fetish to yourself.
>>58798667The general level of power across all tiers keeps increasing with every passing generation and Legendaries like Zamazenta just don't get enough to keep up with Legendaries that get way too much like Zacian, even after the latter got nerfed big time in gen 9>148 speed, 150 attack, respectable defensive stats, an attack boost on switch in, arguably the best typing in the game and Swords Dance>Zamazenta is so middling across the board that it has to spend a turn using Howl to get the same attack boost Zacian gets for switching in
>>58800513>one mon gets a boost that benefits 100% of the moves it uses>its counterpart's boost only helps defend against physical moves, and is useless against special attacks
So is solgaleo goods or shit in ou?
>>58798599Source?
>>58798705based>58800492pic related
>>58800480Yeah because Solgaleo is going to revolutionize stalllmao
>>58799110Reshiram will likely still be too much for OU as specs Draco + Blue Flare nukes everything in OU except Primarina who can't do do much back to it. If Solgaleo proves to be garbage enough to stay in OU then Lugia will probably be the next candidate for the drop.>Great defences offset by an awful type combination >Base 90 in both attacking stats means it needs a ton of boosts before it has any offensive presence>Needs Heavy Duty Boots to function which limits its item variety >Recovery nerfs limit its long term survivability>Surprisingly little utility (no hazards or status moves) >Hates the prevalence of Knock Off and Physical Dark / Ghost mons in the tier (Kingambit, Ceruledge, Tyranitar, Samurott-H)
I'm surprised Solgaleo isn't already in Nat Dex OU considering over there Archaludon isn't even good enough for UU.
>>58801033we're gonna get box legendaries in UU this yearpossibly even before generation 10 drops
>>58800480This will shock you, but Phione isn’t stronger than Palafin.
zekrom should be OU as well imogenuinely thought this since bw
>>58802414Not happening >>58800274
>>58802414No, DD terabolt electric + Tera blast ice would wreck everything.Destroys Dozo, corv, tusk, glisor, lando. Only zamazenta would beat it
>>58802471Even Zama has to be wary of mixed Draco sets lmao
>>58802461>>58802471>>58802500don't care. Put zek in ou.
>>58802414Nah. It didn't learn dragon dance back then.It does now. Tera would crack it. Calm Mind Lugia is the same story.
did they stop crying and seething about shit like kingambit and kyurem
>>58802676Solgaleo is no Kyurem let me tell you that
>>58799110Zekrom and Reshiram are overpowered in the most straightforward way possible: they hit too hard while being too hard to take down.
>>58799476>I doubt Zekrom or Reshiram will be much better than KyreumThey have comparable bulk while hitting significantly harder with much better typing. You are insane.
>>58802959Kyurem should actually hit harder than Reshiram thanks to Dragon Dance.
>>58799110Spitballing a few>ZekromUnlikely. Too much bulk+speed on a dragon dancer.>ReshiramPossible, but, not yet. Reshiram has dual-stab nuclear options in Blue Flare and Draco, that kill too much stuff. Once a fe more ubers drop, and the average survivability of the tier increases, it might happen, but not until then.>LugiaLugia is absolute ass this generation. It can't hold leftovers anymore, recover/roost are nerfed, and it can't really do the kind of utility shenanigans most ubers have on their belt that make them good. It's kind of just a big, fat bastard. >PalkiaWould probably drop before Reshiram. Its speed is less relevant outside of ubers, it doesn't have quite as brutal dual coverage, and kinda has jack and shit as far as setup or utility goes. Palkia's best feature is that 120 "off" attacking stat, but being able to focus punch a Blissey isn't what it used to be. >GiratinaFat bastard like Lugia, but, unlike Lugia it's not quite as assraped by modern mechanics, and would probably become the go-to defogger. Has a barely-deep-enough utility movepool to potentially be a menace for its bulk, and unusually high speed for the role. >DialgaToo good at support. Dialga is the kind of Uber that does the whole "this thing can run like a dozen sets, that cover entirely different roles">Ho-OhLmao no, Ho-Oh is a motherfucker>Shitty Arceus typesAlmost assuredly not, it's too fast, has too many ways to set up, and has too deep a movepool, even as an Ice type. >Normal GroudonProbably not. It's too good at setup sweeping and support, things you really can't have in the same package outside of Ubers.
>>58803058It's sad but Lugia wouldn't be able to compete against Corviknight in the modern dayLike legit Lugia might be less OU viable than Skarmory.
>>58803105Lugia unironically might be UU.Lugia has a weird niche, where what makes it even slightly good in Ubers is it's speed, but speed in Ubers is a weird beast, where the floor of 90, and the median are pretty goddamn close, and Lugia takes advantage of this by being able to invest in bulk, AND be fast. Outside of Ubers, 110 speed is less impressive on something that isn't a wallbreaker or setup sweeper, more shit is in that over 90, less than 120ish range and actually investing, so Lugia has to either accept being slower, making Multiscale worse, or accept not investing as much in bulk, to maintain speed, making it vulnerable to getting cold-cocked anyways. Lugia also benefits from the weird type distribution of Ubers, and gets absolutely assraped by random Knock Offs taking its boots, and from getting stuck facing other defensive, stall-ey pikemon who actually do have the support moves to play the game. Basically, Ubers is way more generous to Lugia's quirks than regular tiers are, meaning if it falls, it's falling hard.
>>58798901Most of the "power creep" is from Smogon not adopting the Item Clause.
>>58799358Dragon dance and mold breaker
>>58803223I don’t know how item clause would really improve anything. Given how prevalent knock off is.
>>58803223That wouldn't really do anything. Boots aren't what made Baxcalibur broken
>>58803223actually it's them not banning or at least forcing declared tera
>>58803297that’s because every retard under the sun seethed about dynamax being banned so they felt forced not to delete tera
Where can I play the tier where it's allowed?
>>58803297A lot of this shit would still be stupid without tera Annihilape isn't going to stop being a problem. No tera just means Volcarona doesn't get banned for committing hate crimes
>>58803364Volcarona should be banned anyway, Heavy-Duty Boots completely eliminates the primary form of counterplay.The only mon that would actually get unbanned if tera were banned is Regieleki.
Gen 9 is a combination of stupid, minmaxed, inflated stat spreads, retarded unique abilities, and retarded signature moves This is the gen that introduced rage fist, salt cure tachyon cutter, etc AND Tera is an extremely strong gimmick on top of that
>>58803376What's wrong with Tachyon Cutter
>>58803381I don't like it
>>58803296It's the fact boots (or leftovers or LO) are so splashable. You can always run a Pokemon's best set instead of having to make choices.
>>58803373Volcarona wasn't a problem last gen. Its typing is exploitable, and being able to ditch that on a whim is what pushes it over the edge.
>>58803412>It's the fact boots (or leftovers or LO) are so splashableThat really isn't any different from how older gens play out with leftover spam. All boots spam does is make HO's job SLIGHTLY harder. This is still the strongest HO has ever been, largely thanks to broken gen 9 mons like Gholdengo and Glimmora The hyper prevalence of knock off threats in the meta really keeps the item spam teams in check anyhowAnd again, this doesn't actually fix any of the problems. None of this shit stops Palafin from being retarded or makes Flutter Mane have a reasonable stat spread.
>>58803381>>58803386>Tachyon Cutter is a special attacking steel type move that hit twice and never missesYeah, that would be annoying.
How would you guys buff Reshiram, since there is no move (quiver dance is mainly for bugs) that buff both special attack and speed?
>>58803376>>58803386>>58803436t. Glimmora
>>58803180Lugia sucks now because people are trying to use ancient sets that don't work anymore. It needs to find a different niche. I heard someone had huge success recently with scope lens focus energy Tera Fairy Lugia, which people basically were unable to stop from getting to 100% on crits while tanking. Its threats just have to be removed.
Remember when everyone thought Lunala was the Jannetty of the duo before SuMo came out?
>>58803439Special Flame Charge
>>58803618would the gen 9 ou set most likely be calm mind + stored power + recover + tera blast? seems like espathra bullshit but having a much easier time at getting the initial boost way better bulk and slightly better typing at the cost of not being able to get free boosts and outspeed everything with speed boost. if lugia has an additional viable set that's completely different, then that'd probably make it even harder to predict and spiral, though with no toxic, i'm not sure what alternatives it has.
>>58803676I mean, general purpose roadblock, something like roost, whirlwind/dragon tail, dealer's choice of important coverage for whatever the team needs could work. Assuming it comes in healthy, it can survive almost anything and either phase it or fuck it with whatever coverage option. Fatass Espartha is probably better, but, it at least gives a bit of a question to what it's going to do. No real mixups though. It can't set up physically besides Curse, has jack shit for support besides screens and safeguard, and at 90 base offences, it's not surprising anyone. To be fair, it is legitimately still difficult to run over without something that can set up, toxic/seed, or hit nuclear levels of instant offense, so it has a niche as something of an anchor.
>>58803328Click on Format, then Likeshop Spotlight which should be above S/V Singles and OU + Solgaleo should be just above 1v1 Factory.
