Then most useless Pokemon of all time in any of the games ever released
>>58807209It’s a fully evolved early game Psychic type in a region filled with Poison type user. It’s no Alakazam but stuff like Hitmonchan & Seaking are definitely worse
>>58807209It's one of the best mons in RB though. It isn't alakazam level like >>58807243 said, but STAB psychic and thunderbolt still tear everything to shreds. Also levels up really quick thanks to the trade exp bonus
>>58807209And the worst take on the catty goes to...OP!
>>58807209>how to spot a bort who has never touched rby in his life 101
>>58807243The worst Pokemon in gen 1 is probably Dewgong. It is only barely faster than Lapras, but comes at a point in the game where you already have Lapras for free and/or a different(and better) water-type.
>>58807388It definitely isn’t Dewgong. It’s something like Tangela, Hitmonchan, Seaking, or Lickitung.
>>58807209if you can't trade for alakazam it's alright with psychic
>>58807388Dewgong's fantastic, at least the traded one is. I'd argue it's better than Lapras even, since it hits just as hard and makes up for the lower bulk by leveling up way quicker than Lapras does.
>>58807388But Dewgong is majestic.
It gets boltbeam, but pound for pound, the time investment to acquire it vs the pay-off makes it the most useless pokemon in gen 1.
>>58807243>>58807388>>58807997ENTER>Have to trade a fucking Slowbro for it>Worse stats than Raticate>Terrible level up moves>Get it at the same time you've gotten past Snorlax and can enter the Safari Zone. In other words, once all of the actually good Normal types are available to you
>>58807997>>58808068>have to shell out a bunch of money or know where to find it in the safari>slow exp group + level 55, isn't reaching its final form before the credits unless you grind for itsurely the effort is worth it right?>only STAB move is fixed damage>attack stat is far less impressive when you factor in no STAB; for reference, its hyper beam/body slam is weaker than raticate's and only slightly stronger than wigglytuff's>wrap spam is shit since it takes forever to kill anything, better off just attacking>can't learn fly for some reason>learns the elemental TMs, but why bother when you can give them to nidoking or starmie or something else that isn't going to be a shitmon until you're at the league?Dragonite is the most JUSTed mon in the game and it isn't close
>>58808150The thing about Dragonite is that its damage is comparable to others, but has>good defenses>good HP>good attack>coverage>resists fire, grass, water, fighting>immunity to earthquakeWeak to ice and...rock slide. And you only get one rockslide per game.
>>58807209>>58807388>>58807417>>58807997Not Dux?>>58808150I don't have the save anymore, but I distinctly remember my very first Red playthrough's Hall of Fame chronicling my Draco's growth all the way from Dratini. I threw Surf and Ice Beam on it, but I don't remember much of anything else other than it fainting a lot.
>>58808782Farfetch'd gets swords dance to boost, and can learn cut and fly for HMs.Putting both cut and fly on your charizard is cringe.
Isn’t he a decent trade mon in FR/LG?
>>58807417>Lickitungding ding ding. It doesn't even learn fucking Lick
>>58808854>trading away abrano
>>58808782Dux gets STAB Slash which is one of the most broken moves in the game (especially if you're playing Red or Yellow and can't get Persian). It also gets Agility and Swords Dance which don't make Slash itself any better, but are still nice.
>>58807262>>58807311>>58807502>>58808847>>58809926What else do Kantykes want to correct the record on?
>>58809926I think Swords Dance makes Slash objectively worse by reducing the crit rate. But I think Agility improves it since crits were based on Speed
>>58810474Swords Dance doesn't reduce the crit rate, but attack boosts are ignored while crittingAgility doesn't improve crit rate, because it depends on base speed, not actual speed
>>58807209In Kanto, Johto and Sinnoh it’s unironically better than Alakazam. Access to Tbolt is so helpful.
>>58808782Dux gets you Cut early
>>58810557he got confused with Focus Energy perhaps
>>58810559so it's just boomer-/proto-Gardevoir
>>58810559it isn't, you underestimate how disgusting Abra and Kadabra are just because they are NFE. Look at this shit
>>58810474>Swords Dance makes Slash objectively worseGen 1 crits ignore stat changes
>>58810460charizard is a copy of typhlosion
>>58811506>Typhlosion's defining difference is it can Thunder Punch>Gen 4 they give CHARIZAAAAAAAAAARD from KANTOOOOOOOOO it anywayWhen's Charizarderino getting Burn Up and Eruption as well? May as well go all the way with ripping off Typhlosion
>>58811506>>58811614Typhlosion has got to be the worst non-grass starter of all time. If you haven't seen its HGSS level up movepool I think you'll be surprised by how awful its options are.
>>58811660All of the Gen 2 starters are trash. Totodile might be the most usable in HGSS, but he's so bad in the original.
>>58811506this is not obscure knowledge whatsoever
>>58811660how do you feel about Gen V Samurott and Emboar?https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Samurott_(Pok%C3%A9mon)/Generation_V_learnsethttps://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Emboar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)/Generation_V_learnsetor I guess also Serperior.https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Serperior_(Pok%C3%A9mon)/Generation_V_learnset
>>58811824have you ever noticed that its movepool parallels Emboars but Fighting moves are replaced with Bug? It really makes me think it was somehow going to be a Water/Bug at some point
>>58811506That image proves that Gen 2 Charizard was actually a copy of Typhlosion. Zard had 85 Special in Gen 1, but they raised its Special Attack to 109 in Gen 2 so it would be equal to Typhlosion.
>>58807209the most forgettable Gen 1 pokemon imo
>>58807388ENTER>slow>absolutely pathetic special (FUCKING 35 LMAO)>worthless HP stat>defense is mediocre>only STAB move is submission which is inaccurate and has recoil so it can't even beat shitter normal types>coverage moves all run off its special stat so good luck with that>bad matchups into literally every important trainer after it's obtained
>>58813527oh yeah, and>mutually exclusive with hitmonlee, who is faster, stronger, and has much better STAB moves
>>58807388Gen 1 Dewgong is good, you just get him too late, there's numerous worse water typesStill haven't forgiven gayfreak for fucking him on the special split
>>58807388Nah, Dewgong's entire thing for being "bad" is because it is worse than Lapras but on its own Dewgong is still good. The absolute shitter is probably Hitmonchan, even casually there is nothing good about it
>>58813527the hitmons being unable to learn hyper beam in gen 1 is wild.I wonder why
>>58814411Yeah, I assumed Hyper Beam was one of those moves that nearly everyone could learn except for a handful of gimmick mons, like Toxic and Protect. Turns out RHYHORN can't learn Hyper Beam or Giga Impact through TM to this day, but but Rhydon can.
>>58813527Holy fuck I think you're right. Everything about Hitmonchan in RBY is so unbelievably garbage. At least shitters like Lickitung get decent STAB and coverage options, this thing can't do a fucking thing without killing itself, besides using mediocre normal type TMs that are better used on something else
>>58807209Mimien kicks all kinds of ass thoughbeit
>>58807243He’s worse in let’s go where poison moves will kill him if he doesn’t get the KO. I’ll add that a lot of Pokémon feel divorced from their debut generation and feel worse to use. Some Pokémon were built with mechanics in mind like a singular special stat (drowzee), abused speed crits (Persian), or used weird pre-pss coverage (Alakazam with elemental punches). There was something novel about the jank that let strategies evolved from it, now stuff feels pretty route and predictable.
>>58811807>Totodile>most unusable>HGSSHow do you figure? The split actually lets it meaningfully use its big Attack stat.In a sense, you could say it suffers for just being a discount Gyarados, but that's something all Water starters suffer from. They're always competing with at least a few really good alternatives, so they need to be Swampert-tier busted to really stand out.>>58814707I want to say that Hyper Beam was specifically something reserved for fully evolved Pokemon. That said, most single-stage Pokemon I can think of from Gen 1 were also able to learn it, so I dunno why Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee couldn't.
>>58813527I don't think Hitmonchan even has physical coverage moves unlike Machamp and Primeape, who both get earthquake and rock slide. Even Poliwrath got earthquake and most of its coverage is also special.
>>58811506Every masterpiece has it's cheap copy.
>>58807243What's wrong with seaking? isn't learning surf good enough on it's own?
>>58814732This is why LGPE should have been a faithful Gen 1 remaster instead of a half-baked attempt at incorporating nugen mechanics and types while excluding others. Hopefully we'll get official ports of Gens 1-3 on Switch and mobile with Home support soon.
>>58815922>>58807243the thing about Gen 1 water types is that even with garbage stats, they still get Surf/Hydro Pump and Blizzard. I think Kingler is statistically the worst fully evolved Water type in RBY because it has only 50 special which prevents it from doing anything more than Swords Dance + Hyper Beam and Crabhammer crits.Other types in Gen 1 are generally no so fortunate in stats, moveset and coverage.
>>58807209And yet smogshit banned it
Poliwrath is far from the worst pokemon in gen 1, but it's unreasonably bad. 85 attack, gen 1 fighting type, its best stats are defensive, and ultimately the best thing to do with it is to use it as a shitty water type. It's also a rodmon too, and if you're going that route you could just catch a Staryu a whole lot quicker.
>>58816785i find it hard to say anything with amnesia and hypnosis is outright bad in gen 1. sure it sucks compared to the high tier mons, but it could be way, WAY worse.
>>58807388Dewgong is pretty great as a Stadium 2 rental. Rest Talk is useful for overcoming the cheating NPC trainers
>>58816805>level 41 amnesia for poliwhirlYou're probably not delaying the evo that long, and even if you are, it'll still probably get obliterated by whatever the enemy has out.
>>58816888The easiest way is to fish for them at level 40 with the Super Rod after the Rainbowbadge checkpoint on Route 23 in Yellow.
>>58811807>but he's so bad in the original.Rage is so strong in early game, it's a competent choice for your Fury Cutter TM
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Any mons that pleasany surprised you with how good they were?>got sandshrew in blue since i had never used it before and needed a cut user>figured it wouldn't be anything special>100bp dig nukes>early slash>evolved quickly>never fell off, was kicking ass right to the endReally impressed me
>>58816998Yeah it's not that Totodile is bad, it's just that the fire starter is always the strongest choice for the early game (even Gen 1 since Brock's mons have terrible Special). Water is also usually a lame choice since wild water mons are always common.
Specifically, the PMD appearances of Mudkip.>cannot evolve>Water Gun at level 10 might as well be your final levelup move because everything else is dogshit>bide sucks>foresight sucks>mud sport sucks>take down is worse than tackle>whirlpool is worse than water gun>forced to rely on usable TM's to show up which may never happenSeriously, without evolving, Mudkip's learnset is utterly barren.
>>58817018Vivillon>90 SpAtk + 89 Speed>Quiver Dance for setup>Sleep Powder that rarely misses due to Compound Eyes>STAB Hurricane that rarely misses due to Compound Eyes, and is super-effective against Grass types who'd otherwise block Sleep Powder>A bunch of Insomnia/Vital Spirit users are Psychic or Fighting types, meaning they get countered by your STABs too
>>58817018Yeah people used to say that Blue version was easier since the Blue version exclusives mogged their Red counterparts. The only exception might be Electabuzz vs Magmar since Magmar is slower and didn't get as many good support moves.
>>58816888that doesn't exactly mean poliwrath is bad, it's more than poliwhirl is one of the few stone evolutions in gen 1 that's worth delaying. Learning Amnesia and Hydro Pump in the 40s kind of sucks when you're only trying to beat the game, but Amnesia and Hydro Pump are far more valuable moves than what basically EVERY other Stone Evo pokemon will learn without TMs
>>58816468thismr. mime too op for smogontrannies
>>58817030git gud
>>58817018Sandslash is OU viable and my favorite Swords Dance user
>>58816998Rage is good on Dunsparce
>>58807209he's not even in the bottom 20 of gen 1
What it the rationale behind having pokemon who can't learn a single move of it's type? Pic related of multiple
I don't get why they made it Fairy type. I mean, I'm not complaining, it helps set it apart from all the other Psychic types in Kanto, but I don't get the logic behind it.
>>58818259There were only four Bug type moves in Gen 1, and one of them was exclusive to Beedrill. Bug types were intentionally made shitty in Gen 1 since they are mostly the early game mons you're supposed to replace by the third or fourth badge. Even the anime reinforced this with Ash ditching his Butterfree not once but twice. Pinsir and Scyther are the only lategame bugs.>>58818412He's a poof
>>58818259They couldn't think of anything. Megahorn next gen is an example of continued poverty of thought since it's just conceptually Horn Attack.Bug Buzz, a Gen IV move, is one of the first to actually make sense, if not the first. It took them a while to come up with sensible ones.
>>58817045>only saw OP>quickly scrolling down>see my original 2013 X playthrough MVPI was ready to fight but got a kino post instead
>>58818412My guess would be that Mr. mime has fae elements like elves and whatnot.I also like the theory that Mr. Mime and Snubbull are partially inspired by toys. A doll and a hand puppet respectively.
>>58818259Hyper Cutter should have a Bugilate effect, it's not too late. Would make stuff like Kingler a little more interesting too.
>>58819496>snubbull is a hand puppethuh. idk if this was intended by the designers but i can kinda see it
>>58819611I know, right? It sounds like a stretch, but it just does kind of match
>>58807209He's the GOAT in Fire Red since trade exp booste Psychic type in a game with no Starmie or Alakazam without trading.
