I've had to do less repetitive grinding in most mmorpgs I've played, and at least in those I got to see different locales instead of vaporwave bootleg copies of the same city I was stuck in the entire base game. Not even a single new Pokemon, just a handful of new Mega forms, which you have to grind the same levels over and over for a RNG chance at trying to make something unique appear. Not to mention an even insanely smaller chance to get one of the items needed to evolve a Pokemon like Charcadet into the other form you didn't pick.In every other Switch Pokemon game I would have finished my Pokedex by now.
>>58810969Yeah, it's really fucking bad
It was peak stop the cope
>>58810969Nu-Pokemon garbage. Linear games died so you could have this open world slop with pseudo MMO style "quests".
>>58810969no shit, the content of the DLC doesn't matter. It only exists as a place to put in the extra super saiyan shill forms for the industry plants.
>>58810969Bait thread
>>58810969Yet you bought it anyway so this will only get worse with each game
>>58810969>In every other Switch Pokemon game I would have finished my Pokedex by now.No you wouldn’t have >Have to play Go to complete LGPE Dex >Have to wait for Raids to complete SWSH Dex>Have to buy other games to complete BDSP dex>Have to find and collect every Spiritomb wisp to complete Arceus’s deck>Have to wait for Raid reruns and grind for hours or find other players on a discord to collect 12,000BP to complete the SV dex
>>58811618>No you wouldn’t haveI literally have. I finished my dex in LGPE, SWSH, Arceus, and SV. I didn't waste my money on BDSP.You know what I didn't have to do in any of them? Be stuck in a single city and visit vaporwave-like chunks of it to farm berries so I can then visit even more of the same vaporwave areas at a higher level over and over until the DLC decides I have finally grinded enough to finish the story... and then make me farm even MORE for a low-chance random shot at the post-game legendries and items to evolve some of the Pokemon.
>>58811661>I literally have. I finished my dex in LGPE, SWSH, Arceus, and SVYeah after you did everything I just said, retard.
>>58811661BbQ quests were 100x worse and 1000x more monotonous. “Give your Pokémon a wash”. “Find a Ditto block”. “Take a picture” for several hours-days, even worse if you weren’t in a group.
>>58810969The story was fun and the boss battles were even better than the main game. Mega Tatsugiri was a highlight.
>completed the DLC story>need to finish the Hyperspace Pokedex>never seen a Feebas wormhole>missing Sirfetch'd because G-Farfetch'd never shows up>Rotom & Baxcalibur line are cunts hiding behind 5-star wormholesCompleting the Pokedex fucking blows. Re-rolling wormholes and hoping to get lucky with the 5-star wormholes is more ass than everything mentioned here >>58811618.
>>58810969Base game was garbage, Mega Dimensions DLC was the whole Trash Heap
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>>58811670The BBQs can be fun if you're doing them with other people.
>>58810969Yeah, completing the Hyperspace Pokedex is really shit and I'm saying this as someone who actually really enjoyed the DLC on the whole (shouldn't have been 30 bones though, 15-20 at most).I'm luck enough that I got some of the more annoying spawns like G-Farfetch'd and Feebas with little effort, but took me over a week of continuous grinding after it's release to get a singular Rotom zone to appear which is time I could ONLY afford because it was close to the holidays. I still have yet to the get the Dragont type special zone either, meaning H-Sliggoo and Goodra are probably not being registered in my dex until Home support drops at this point.
I can't tell if the people defending this are being ironic. Is it some ragebait guaranteed (you)s thing or sunken cost fallacy? Even reddit and metacritic could see what it is: pure shit. Not even my friends love base ZA enjoyed mega dimension
>>58811618>>Have to find and collect every Spiritomb wisp to complete Arceus’s deckThis one was easy as fuck, retard
Bring back BF doe!!!
>>58811618Finding all the Spiritomb wisps was literally the most fun part of the game. And I loved the game as a whole.
>>58811666Which is a million times less annoying than the bullshit with the wormholes in the ZA DLC.>>58811670I disagree, at least you were in a new area, and in post-game you had the ability to fly anywhere in that large open area. The BBQ quests also went by quick if you did them online in a group. At least you didn't have to grind points just to have a chance to grind something else like how you have to grind for berries so you can then grind the higher-level wormholes.>>58811684What story? "Oh no, wormholes are disappearing, cook donuts from berries so you can enter them, get better berries, cook better donuts with them, rinse and repeat for hours." Then once you have done it enough "Oh, turns out it was all Darkrai's fault, go and catch it." Hurray, DLC story over. You don't even get to leave Lumiose even in the fucking wormholes, outside of the Darkrai and like three other legendary fights, all of which are just a very tiny cave-like area that have even LESS going for it than the Lumiose city wormholes.>>58811690I've gotten ONE Feebas and Galarian Farfetche'd wormhole so far, nothing on Rotom or Bax however. And there are several entries in the middle of my hyper dex that I don't even have any idea what they are, they aren't legendaries but I haven't seen anything new in the wormholes for days of refreshing at this point. At this point I am not going to be able to get any of the rarer non-legendaries until Home support where I can just transfer the fucking things from Go or another Switch game. Wish they wouldn't drag their ass so much on adding support for it already.>>58811690This, so much this!
>>58811618>have to wait for raidsOr jut set your clock back two minutes.
>>58812517Home support is likely being announced at Pokemon Day.
>>58811540>>58811577>>58811756How on earth are there people who liked this DLC, which is nothing more than a grindfest?I have seen youtubers who always tried to be optimistic with the games like SV and ZA and even them did not recommend buying this DLC.Most of the people I see who liked it are from Twitter, and I wouldn't even be surprised if these same people post on here because this board is spammed with twitter screencap threads or twitter trends.Are these just bait replies? I hope so
>>58812826Not any of those anons as I agree the pokedex completion is ass, but I just thought the new new Rogue bosses were pretty fun (especially Meowstic, Tatsugiri, and Zeraora), liked that the sidequests had more variety than in the base game (standouts being the shopkeeping one, the farfetch'd gauntlet, and needing to beat that guys' Pallosand in under 30 seconds), and I think literally every new Mega is baseline good outside of Tatsugiri. I also like the basic gameplay loop of going into hyperspace to gather strong berries to make more donuts to go back into hyperspace, it's incredibly simple but I still find it satisfying because I think it challenges me to be ass efficient as possible every visit compounded with the time limit (which apparently a lot of people don't enjoy).I said earlier in the thread that it's NOT worth 30 bucks but it took my playtime from about 80~ basegame hours to almost 200 now and most of that was time doing stuff I enjoyed so I consider that a win.
>>58812847>well, doing the pokedex sucks ass, and isn’t worth the price at all, b-but I still ha funCope cope cope, that’s all you fags do. You can just say it’s shit, it’s not hard and no one will think less of you
>>58812852Doing the pokedex is never particularly fun and I hadn't even really bothered doing it until recent years as I got into on-cart competitive, so while I acknowledge it's not good it never has a huge bearing on my experience regardless.Also I like plenty of games that weren't worth the price of admission. Sonic Racing Crossworlds isn't worth 70 bucks in literally any way, but I still think it's the funnest Kart racer to come out last year and I've poured plenty of time into it so I consider my purchase sound regardless.
>>58810969GF have made DLC 3 times now and the grinding has gotten progressively worse with each attempt.>SWSHWith IoA and CT, there wasn't much to grind besides the Dynamax adventures for legendaries and either the item printer or tournament for balltism.>SVOgre ousting for the shiny Munchlax in TM sucked, but the BBQs in ID were far worse and a needlessly long grind even when playing with others. Some people may disagree that it's a timesink, but I actually have a job, so maybe a board populated mostly by NEET retards won't have the same constraints as I do.>ZAIt's not just all grind, but the grinding is mandatory to get to the credits and complete the rest of the DLC story, too. Completing the hyperspace dex took more than twice as long to finish the story, not to mention acquiring all the random, non-mission mega stones. The boss fights at least tried to be unique, but there are a couple that just plain suck. >Meowstic: Lmao, run to the back of me and waste your mega energy breaking a barrier if you don't want to get one shot (I will do this 2 more times if you've not got a mon specifically set up to beat me, btw.>Tatsugiri: Physical attacker? I'll hop just before you hit unless you're tanking an attack. Special attacker? If it's a projectile, nope. Ooh, DM time, hope you enjoy a full minute of not being able to do shit while I spin in the air like a faggot.I truly cannot fathom Gen 10's DLC being worse than the horrible grindfest we have now, but GF seem to live to let us down, so who fucking knows.
>>58812965Oh I can easily see GF come up with new ways to waste time. Better hope nobody in Game Freak development is a fan of Blue Prince.
>>58812994>Blue PrinceThat game's appeal genuinely eludes me, I feel like it's one of those games that is only liked because it's an indie and not AA or AAA.
>>58813004It's developer previously worked at Forbes so it's very much a case of journalists supporting their own.
>>58812965BBQs take like 2 hours to get all starters and legendaries unlocked with a full group. Ogre is the more annoying grind in the long term since there’s no better way to reset EVs than mochi.
ive completed the dex in every switch game, za with dlc is the worst by a considerable margin. the only one that comes close is pla if you consider "completing the dex" in that game to be getting everything to level 10 rather than just catching everything
getting shiny charm in Z-A should have clued you in that gamefreak absolutely does not respect the player's time.
>>58813136And gen 4 munchlax didnt? Swarms didnt? Mirage Island didnt?
>>58811768Do you have to pay for Nintendo switch online for this? I didn’t play the dlc
>>58811797>it’s easy as fuck to aimlessly look around huge empty mapsKeep that helmet on you super retard
>>58811785>reddit and metacriticAre you sure you aren’t the one baiting for (You)’s, anon?
>>58812517>At least you didn't have to grind points just to have a chance to grind something elseYes you literally did you stupid fuck, that’s the entire point of Snacksworth, but even worse because specific legendaries were locked behind group quests.
>>58813331Just look around the map from a vantage point at night. Ez-pz.
>>58812852There is no purpose in doing the Pokédex in Z-A, you don’t get any rewards. You’re crying about something you don’t even need to do you sad little retard.
>>58813334Wow, you managed to read 3 words anon! Now try the entire sentence!
>>58812965It takes longer to do Ogre Oustin and BBQ quests than it would to complete Z-A’s dlc, you sound stupid. At minimum you’re spending 4 hours to get enough points solely for one section of the indigo disk Dex.. That’s half the time to complete Z-A’s DLC lmao.
>>58813349Thanks for the concession. Don’t make it obvious next time.
>>58811785>Not even my friends Lmao
>>58813362Nonsense. BBQ and Oustin are skill based. ZA has so many quests that rely on blind grinding and refreshing.
>>58813367What the hell are you talking about? No matter how much skill you have, it is impossible to do Ogre Oustin’s higher difficulties on your own. You are required to have a group and your group need to actually know what they’re doing or they will be filtered. It will take you several hours to complete this mode, solely to get a Munchlax to complete the dex. I’ve never seen a more blatant disrespect to a player and their time in a Pokémon game. Thats until Indigo Disk came out and did it all over again but 10 times worse. It takes longer to get to Rayquaza in Indigo Disk than it does in Mega Dimension lmao.
>>58813379>You are required to have a group and your group need to actually know what they’re doing You're describing "skill"
>>58813385>it’s a skill to force the consumer to find 3 other consumers who also bought the dlc to complete a side mode to complete the Pokédex
>>58813379>solely to get a Munchlax to complete the dexLiterally an overworld spawn? I never did this shit and I have multiple shiny Munchlax from a swarm
>>58812517>the Darkrai and like three other legendary fights, all of which are just a very tiny cave-like areaKind of an odd complaint considering SV’s dlc, which is $35, put all the returning legendaries in random locations in Paldea. In fact only Ogerpon and Terapagos get their own arenas, the Lousy Three and the new Paradoxes are all thrown into random locales. Terapagos is even worse because its arena was hyped up in the promotion material.
>>58811540>Timed garbage>PeakKek no
>>58813398now that I think about it, it’s actually a bit annoying how lackluster the legendary hunt is in SV’s dlc. All the pokemon are just thrown into wild with no fanfare, and they don’t even get cool gimmicks to use like the actual boss fights. Even in mega dimensions the wild rogue Megas are powered up, why couldn’t they have at least let the legendaries use Tera? It’s so boring
>have to grind bbq quests for hours to get a random shiny locked legendary ISHYDDT
>>58812826>Are these just bait replies? I hope soI assume at least half if not more are bait replies, and the others either delusional fanboys who cannot accept any fault with the Pokemon games or people who think being a contrarian makes them smart or edgy.
>>58813344You didn't grind BBQs just go to on quests where you grind even more annoying BBQs so you can go on quests where you grind even more annoying BBQs just to have a random chance at a decent quest. Also Snackworth never went "Here is a snack for a... Caterpie, LOL, go through the BBQ gauntlet again to hope I give you a legendary snack instead of another shitmon."You go through all the post-game grinding in Mega Dimension just to have a small chance that a "special scan" might turn up a legendary instead of just a level-5 version of the same level 1-4 areas you have already been grinding for hours that give you nothing new, or even just goddamn trainer battle area.
>>58813575Retard
>>58813575>You didn't grind BBQs just go to on quests where you grind even more annoying BBQs so you can go on quests where you grind even more annoying BBQs just to have a random chance at a decent questThat’s exactly what you did
>>58813621Is this what ZA defenders have resorted to? Flat out lying now?
>>58813673Unless there’s another method of obtaining legendaries in indigo disk that only you know about, you’d be the one lying here
>>58813621>>58813733There are no "good" bbqs, apart from how easy or convenient a given quest is. Snack legends aren't part of the loop, they're dead end rewards that exist outside the academy and the bbq system.Hyper Lumiose isn't just about points, and has immediate rewards (berries, mons, bottle caps, seeds) that you collect alongside points. You're always building resources. BBQ has no built-in resource gathering, apart from the material/parts that are a byproduct of any other captures or battles. If you want to grind the item printer, you need to dedicate additional time to grind material, and that doesn't neatly stack with BBQs.
>>58813344The snacksworth legendaries in sv aren't apart of the dex moron, they aren't required for you to get the any of the charms.
>>58810969Z-A is just all about grinding. The main story of the vanilla game makes the player spend 80% of it fighting random trainers in the Battle Zones.
>>58811559as soon as "raids" were introduced I felt like that one grandpa simpson scene
Jesus Christ, you fucking retards, it doesn't matter if the BBQs or the hyperspace distortions are better or worse than one another, they're both shit. If any of you unironically defend either of them, you're faggots. If you defend them on the basis that the other is worse, then you're retarded faggots.
>>58813621BBQ: Grind the points in a large open area with varied biomes you can fly across. When you have enough points Snackworth gives you an item that guarantees an encounter with a legendary you haven't met yet. Repeat until he has run out of items that give you legendaries, ALL he has to give you are items to encounter legendaries.Hyper Dimension: Cook donuts to grind in a higher level wormhole to get items to cook donuts to grind in a higher level wormhole to get items to cook donuts to grind in a higher level wormhole to get items to... then in post game you... cook donuts to grind in a high level wormholes to points to make a max level wormhole appear that MAY be a legandary or rare pokemon but has a high chance of just being a higher level copy of areas you have already been grinding in and already have everything there is to get there. The same area can keep re-appearing, there is no guarantee it will be a legendary or something you don't already have.Yeah, no, the BBQs are nowhere near as bad as the wormhole and super scan bullshit.>>58814040Both are shit, but the wormholes are far worse than the BBQs. They are not the same, and people acting like BBQs are worse are just plain retarded.
>>58813391Notice how she never replied. The ogre one is cool because it’s “Crafty” though.
>>58814143That’s not even how Snackworth works. He only counts completed quests and online only completed quests
>>58814173>Arguing semantics to try to ignore everything else
In a group I don't think the BBQs are all that bad relatively. I never did the Ogre Oustin' because I just feel like I would suck at it. Mega Dimension is really really grindy. I don't hate it but I do think they could have been less lazy and had a bit more variety in the Hyperspace environments. You just have to pace yourself, take breaks - if you try to do it all at once you'll just burn yourself out..
How soon in the story is the DLC implemented? Be it kinda similar to how in SwSh/SV their DLCs scale with your badges?I wanna do a run with those mons specifically but jfc I'm not seeing anything related to earlygame
It’s the second best dlc right after Sv one, yeah the story is still garbo but the amount of new mons + megas made it for meCan’t please everyone
>>58814725It's post-game only, after you catch the Kalos legends.
>>58814775There goes my Golisopod run... FUCK
>>58811618I did SV only needing to trade with people, and Arceus was really easy all things considered
>>58811690>>missing Sirfetch'd because G-Farfetch'd never shows upG-Fetch is in a SINGLE 3 star fighting wormhole you'll know it's the right one because it has both machop lines and meditie lines so if you see those two on a 3 star fighting hole even if you don't see your bird it's going to be in it. That's literally it there's no other way of getting it
>>58814836I'm pretty sure you could still get one traded to you
>>58814866Yeah, you can trade and use any DLC mons at any point. Like the previous DLCs, you can also trade to someone who just has the base game. The new Pokemon were added to the base game.
