And I guess Kanto world building/schizo thread. Depending on how you want to treat game mechanics/balance vs world building in gen red/green/blue versionsPonyta could only be caught inside a burnt down abandoned building, on an island, off of the mainland. Coincidentally, a lot of other fire type also can only be found here, same with some toxic Pokémon. Were they being smuggled in order to power the machines on that island for the obvious experiments they were doing? Are the toxic Pokémon like grimmer and Koffing the byproducts of this testing? Now gamewise, it's simply the [fire location] where you can find fire types, similar to how the power plant is a place to find electric types or Seafoam islands for ice. But if you want to apply some story to how they appeared there but nowhere else? Obviously, they had to have been brought there, which means they aren't native to the mainland.Similarly, the safari zone is a place where rare Pokémon are brought to be captured for sport. That's literally what a safari was primarily for, hunting. Then there are also trade Pokémon only that you can't find in the wild, or that are given to you (starters, Eevee, Lapras)>nativesnative to Kanto and other regions>related but not nativeMoonstones come from space so without them, they probably wouldn't exist.>invasive speciesMost are self-explanatory. Legendary Pokémon wander, same with snorlax as once you kill them they "run to the mountains" and you can't find them anymore. Clefairy/Clefable are from the space, which leaves Diglett as a special case so hear me out>they can only be found in a specific cave>a cave named after themselves>no other creature lives in the cave>not even zubat, THE cave dwelling Pokémon.The way I see it, Diglett are fiercely territorial, and pushed out every other species in an ecosystem and dominated it. That sounds like an invasive species to me.So when you think about it, Kanto doesn't have a lot of native Pokémon.
>>58816601Arcanine and Parasect are from Pokechina, they will probably be reconnected to SEA with the arrival of G10
>>58816601Regions the non-native pokemon are from>Kanto starters: Fiore (north of Johto based off irl inspiration)>Ponyta, Eevee, Chansey and Rhyhorn: Sinnoh/Almia>Farfetch'd, Exeggcute, Tauros, Dratini: Johto>Lickitung, Mr. Mime, Magmar, Jynx: Johto/Sinnoh/Almia>Hitmons and Kangaskhan: Oblivia/post gen 4 regions (islands north of Fiore and Johto)Snorlax is likely north of both Kanto and Johto. Grimer/Koffing graviate to heavily urban areas. Lapras seem to roam the world's oceans but appear to be safe in the Ranger regions (which explains the Union Cave one if it swam from Fiore or Oblivia)Plus:>Murkow>Sneasel>Larvitar>Misdreavus>Houndour>Slugmaare all Kanto pokemon
>>58816858>Snorlax is likely north of both Kanto and Johto.They aren't catchable in current day sinnoh, only ancient hisui, but wild Munchlax ARE catchable in the wild in Alola.So it's a migratory pokemon with no real territory.Strictly from the first games, I wouldn't count any of the plus mentioned pokemon as originally kanto. They simply join the ecosystems in the future just like ponyta.>Lapras seem to roam the world's oceans but appear to be safe in the Ranger regions (which explains the Union Cave one if it swam from Fiore or Oblivia)You actually bring up a great point about water Pokémon in general. River and sea Pokémon might still be classified as part of a region, but ocean based pokemon can and should be organized but bodies of water and not land masses.
>>58817037>They simply join the ecosystemsWe didn't visit Mt. Silver in RBY. I'd also consider Wooper, Chinchou and Pineco to be Kanto pokemon too. We know 3 years passed, hence why Ponyta, Mr. Mime et al spread to Kanto (interestingly most of the non-natives end up west of Pallet Town or around Dark Tunnel, perhaps the populations around the Mansion and Safari Zone were released there respectively?)As for Murkrow, Slugma and Houndour, we can simply assume the trainer never travelled at night, or simply just didn't encounter them.
>>58817037>>58817056Adding on to this. Based off irl locations, directly north of Olivine City is Ranger's Sekra Range where Snorlax naturally live. This is likely the "mountains" the Snorlaxes in RBYGSC came from.
>KANTOOOOOOOOOO fuck off, fags
>>58816601the koffing and grimer in the pokemon mansion arrived after it burned down to feed on the wreckage
>>58817455That's what Kanto News network wants you to believe. But from where? there aren't any Grimer in the oceans
>>58816858>Sneasel>Larvitar>Misdreavusit's important to remember that Mt. Silver is part of Johto, despite the only path to it being through Kanto
They've stated many times starters are native to the regions they're handed out in (the Sinnohian set native in the wilds of Hisui, wild Kalos starters ending up in Lumiose). The Kanto set ARE native to the region, but like everything, just because they're native in-lore does not mean they want people to catch endless amounts of them in their featured region.
>>58817673*the only path your weak kiddy legs can handle
So what about diglett?Hyper aggressive invasive species or "these guys dig tunnels so we'll put them in a tunnel"
>>58816601This is a fun concept. I think I'll try to do one for all the regions.
>>58818822Hell yea.
>>58816601Why would kabuto and omanyte be imported? You literally find their fossils in a cave.I also think it's important to distinguish between introduced/nonnative and invasive; the legendary birds aren't exactly breeding out of control.
>>58818822Here's how I'm doing it right now. Wide distribution refers to Pokémon that appear so commonly in other adjacent regions that its hard to narrow it down to a specific one. World wide refers to a Pokémon so prevalent that it can be found naturally occuring in almost every region. Some of these im a bit iffy on, especially the safari zone mons which i always assume are not native. Starting with just kanto for the time being.
>>58817629you can find grimer while surfing/fishing in celadon city in gsc and frlg respectively. granted that's hardly the same thing as an ocean but in my headcanon it's not implausible for grimer to travel through short stretches of water (like pallet town to cinnabar) but ymmv with how far that distance actually is. if nothing else they could've snuck there on cargo ships and established a habitat
>>58819107>Why would kabuto and omanyte be imported? You literally find their fossils in a cave.For the same reason that Klevor is native to Hisui, but not Sinnoh. It's like, technically they aren't part of the region, but they are from the location, just from a different time. Ya know?>I also think it's important to distinguish between introduced/nonnative and invasive; the legendary birds aren't exactly breeding out of control.100% agree. Yea, my chart is just over simplified. I just placed them as invasive because of their power and how much they can alter the environment.>diglettlionfish example>clefairy/clefableThis is my personal headcanon. The large eyed Jigglypuff previously lived in Mt. Moon because creatures with large eyes are typically adapted for low-light environments like dark forests or caves. When Clefairy came to Mt. Moon, they pushed out Jigglypuff out of the caves and into the open field on route 3, right outside the cave system. >toxic pokemonPreviously explained, also my headcanon.>snorlaxEats a lot. Fortunately, there is plenty of Tentacool, Magikarp, Oddish, and Krabby to eat in Kanto as you can find them all over>legendsdestructive power>>58819475Yep, but for me at least, that stuff happens in the future. Even in yellow version, there are Ponyta on the mainland. But prior to the later installments, you can't find a lot of pokemon almost anywhere.In later versions, for example, Rhyhorn can also be found in victory road, mr. mime on route 21, Jigglypuff is further pushed from MT moon to route 4 and route 46 and in crystal to routes 5, 6, 7, and 8.While that fucker Clefairy in crystal version lives on routes 3, and 4, along with MT. moon.
>>58819437Funny enough, Pikachu is actually not so widespread originally. It's actually a native to Kanto. Sort of.>kantoNative to Kanto>johtoNot available anywhere in johto.>hoennImported to the safari zone>sinnohimported by the Butler to the trophy garden>unovaNot available anywhere in Unova>AlolaImported in some 20 years ago(?) as of S/M release when Pikachu spiked in popularity>euroland: kalos, Galar, PaldeaNo real reason that I can think of that they are so widely available in these supposedly far off countries but not nearby regions like Johto, but mostly I believe they were imported all the same. or gamefreak got lazy and decided to stop introducing neat methods of acquiring rare pokemon and I think that was pretty obvious when you could catch wild eevee in X/Y and paldea
>>58816601>Dratini>importedOh boy it's this fucking retardation again. The Safari Zone was founded around a fisherman catching a Dratini there. Dratini was formerly thought to be a legendary Pokemon. Dratini is native to Kanto
>>58820672Is there a source for that in the game was is that from the anime? Because this thread is clearly talking about the games.
>>58820672It's native to johto, dragon's den and route 45.
>>58820692>>58820730From Pocket Monsters Encyclopedia, this was in 1996.
>>58820826>look it up>this is the coverThat is some soul. Damn. But I'm curious if its canon or not.
>>58820826>Pocket Monsters EncyclopediaFor example, nidoran(?) are in the book.
>>58816781>we will never get Pokéchina because Japan hates China + geopolitical tensions and we will never get Pokérussia because geopolitical tensions fml
>>58816601don't forget kanto natives like houndour, slugma, murkrow, hoothoot, and sentret
