Should pokemon really be defined by their abilities more than typing and moves?
pokemon should be defined by their design and lore
Abilities then>opponent may get a status condition if they attack you>moves of x type get stronger if your HP is low>steel types can't switch outAbilities now>immune to all status moves, can't be burned, takes half damage from ghost moves, special attack increases after a KO, negates all other abilities, sucks your dickWe need to retvrn
>>58821894Abilities then>Status moves have +1 priority>25% chance to dodge attacks if Sandstorm is active>25% chance to dodge attacks if Hail is active>+100% chance for your moves' secondary effects to activate>+50% speed at the end of every turn>Complete immunity to chip damage of any kind and also immunity to ParalysisAbilities now>Ignore opponents' redirection>On switch-in, copy all of its ally's stat changes>If the opponent raises their stats, copy those state raises>Reflect stat-drops caused by the opponent back to them>Reset an ally's stat changes to 0 upon switch-in
>>58821652contrary to campaignshitter belief, typing is by far the least important of those 3stats>>ability>moves>>>type
>>58821894I feel like the reason they're doing this is that all design space has been explored at this point. Pokemon is not a very complicated game after all. After 9 generations, the only innovation left is stacking 2-3 moves/abilities together and calling it a new one. Even gimmicks are running low on ideas, they're already back to recycling megas. I wouldn't be surprised if they pivoted to gimmick rotation rather than coming up with wholly new ones each generation.
>>58822085>moves that lowWhat's good is a Pokemon if it had the Speed of Regieleki, the Attack of Mega Mewtwo X, both Defenses of Shuckle, Blissey's 255 HP, and the Special Attack of Mega Mewtwo Y just for it to have Unown's """movepool""" of just Hidden Power?
>>58822085It's actually Ability > Type > Moves > Stats. That's why you have Pokemon with relatively low BSTs hacking it with legendaries/psuedo-legendaries/event legendaries. Rotom's stats aren't that great, but Rotom-W has been a competitive mainstay for over a decade off of the power of its type and ability.
>>58821894>special attack increases after a KOHow is this one bad when we had one for physical attacks for years?
>>58822130touhou hijack lol
>>58822130>BSTyou don’t play the game
>>58822118I dunno, that could just work. It'd be incredibly specific, but with HP Ice or HP Rock, it could actually function as an emergency check to certain Pokemon. With that bulk, it's practically immortal. Even a +2 Tera-Normal Explosion from Landorus-T doesn't even come close to KOing it. +2 252 Atk Tera Normal Landorus-Therian Explosion vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Unown-Mega: 421-496 (64.6 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 SpA Unown-Mega Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-Therian: 428-508 (134.1 - 159.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>58822137Finally, an oldfag on this rotten cesspool of a board.
>>58822130Fucking hate excadrill so much. I mainly play UU, because my favorite mons work there. And that stupid mole is such a pain.25%+ usage and over 4% usage in OU. And not UUBL yet because of the pedo council.>hurr we need a rapid spinner in UU so we cant ban him!
>>58822152UU DOES need a Rapid Spinner though.
>>58822130>low BSTBST is irrelevant though, it’s how the stats are spread
>>58822186uuuh... heavy duty boots is BAD
>>58822193>BST is irrelevant though, it’s how the stats are spreadOU for 4 generations btw
>>58822118>Special Attack of Mega Mewtwo YSorry anon, you mean the special attack of Mega Zygarde since it have the highest special attack stat now at 216.
>>58822247>posts a pokemon where its type is literally the least important reason why it’s goodThanks for proving my point.
>>58822257Its type is the entire reason it's OU. Normal type Clefable would be RU in Gen 6/7/8 and PU in Gen 9.
I, too, enjoyed Jim's new video
>>58822262Clefable is one of the best Pokemon in gen 4, dumbass. You don’t play the game.
>>58822271It only became good in Gen 4 after the fact due to the council's decisions to unban Jirachi and Latias. Gen 4 became a lot slower paced and based around residual damage, so Clefable ended up becoming a better choice than Blissey due to having Heavy Duty Boots built in. Ban Jirachi and Latias and Clefable goes back down to sub-OU usage. Clefable doesn't see play in Gen 5 OU either. You can't just pick out Gen 4 and say it was always good.
>>58821894Return to dogshit boring abilities?
>>58822292No, it only became good in gen 4 after the fact because smogshit is filled with retards like (You) who massively overrate how important typing is. Turns out a reasonably bulky Pokemon with Magic Guard is still good when you’re getting hit with the 15 other types in the game that Fairy doesn’t resist. Who the fuck knew?
>>58822311If you actually paid attention to why Clefable rose to prominence, it's because of the crazy residual damage and status spreading caused by Jirachi + Skarmory + Tyranitar. That very same residual damage is why Infernape fell off. It's the same reason Blissey finally saw more usage in Gen 8 than did Chansey. Ever since Eviolite came out, Chansey has been the superior choice, but with Heavy Duty Boots releasing, Blissey suddenly became much better than Chansey despite much lower bulk.
>>58822338>If you actually paid attention to why Clefable rose to prominence, it's because [reason that has nothing to do with its type but everything to do with its stats, ability, and movepool]Glad we agree you’re a retard.
>>58822342>but everything to do with [the meta at large]Glad we agree you're a retard
>>58822351Your parroting doesn’t work, because I never pretended the meta wasn’t important, campaignshitterfag.
>>58822355The meta isn't just important, it's the entire reason Clefable rose to prominence in Gen 4 but not in Gen 5.
>>58821894I think it's fine for abilities to be gimmicky like that provided it's only one 'mon that gets them.
>>58822363So you agree typing isn't relevant. Thanks for outing yourself as a retard.
>>58822370Typing IS relevant since it became a meta pick ever since it became Fairy type and got +10 SpA. Those are the only changes from Gen 5 (where it's RU) and Gen 6+ (where it's OU).
>>58822292Do you really think someone who spams “campaignshitter” is going to argue in good faith? fucking lmao
>>58822389I don't actually think Yawnfag ever argues in good faith, but I'm not trying to convince him.
>>58822373>Typing IS relevant since it became a meta pick ever since it became Fairy typeFairy type doesn’t exist in Gen 4, campaignshitterfag.>>58822389“Campaignshitter” is good faith because it’s entirely accurate. You think types are massively important because you don’t play PvP and your entire understanding of the game is “hurrr Lt Surge uses Electric types? I better use le Ground type!”
>>58822391Yeah, I don’t even bother. No real point when his goal is to shit the board up as much as possible.
Typing sucks
>>58822402tbf the movepool and ability are also mid, the typing is just icing the shit cake. but that also brings to mind that you can make things in spite of their deficiencies
>>58822402>Bastiodon gets the ability to change its type>Immediately becomes the best Fossil-mon (Gen 8's don't count since they're not partially Rock type)LOLMAO
>>58822402Meanwhile Stakataka is good. It’s almost like stats, ability, and moves are what make Pokemon good and not their type.
>>58822409Bastiodon and Rampardos are literally the only fossil Pokemon that are usable in gen 9 dumbfuck
>>58822409…source? You’re not messing with me are you?
>>58822412>Stakataka is goodIs it? Even with MUCH better stats AND access to Trick Room, it ranked NU in its last appearance.
>>58822423>Is it?Yes. Have you tried playing the game instead of sitting on your fat ass staring at smogshit’s website all day, campaignshitter-kun?
>>58822422Bastiodon runs a Tera Fighting + Body Press set that can actually put in work all the way up through RU. It's also an absolute menace in RandBats since the only real counter to it is a Ghost type and you never know if your opponent is packing one in the back.
>>58822423It’s good in vgc!!! Or was good.
>>58822429>and other such cope Verlisify/Yawnfag tell themselvesYeah, I hear it was good for a little bit in VGC at least. It's wild seeing some of the Pokemon that won tournaments.
>CAMPAIGNSHITTER!>YOU'RE A CAMPAIGNSHITTER!>DON'T CALL MY SHITMON BAD!>MY HEADCANON MEANS MORE THAN YOUR ACTUAL STATS AND DATA!>YOU... CAMPAIGNSHITTER!
>>58822439You also have to take into account that there are power level discrepancies since VGC’s run for so long. And nowadays there are restrictions on what you can bring.
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>>58822444>fanfic>actual stats and datakek
>>58822409But Bastiodon went extinct for a reason so it doesn't count. Play the game you dumb tranny.
>>58822085This, look at what you can get away with when making something good. You can’t escape a bad movepool, a terrible stat distribution, or a debilitating ability. You can absolutely escape your typing because typings can’t inherently be bad.
>>58822510Bastiodon went extinct because of Koraidon
>>58822130I miss you Kartana…
>>58822407Movepool is mostly fine. It really just needs recovery that’s not Rest
>>58822562I've never liked Kartana. It should've been banned in Gen 7.
>>58822567Well yeah, now that it can change its type and has Body Press it's fine. But between Gens 4 and 8, Bastiodon was the worst fossil-mon hands down
>>58822494Hey Verlisify
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>>58822940InaccurateHe’s way uglier
>>58821652absolutely yes. When there's over 1000 pokemon and you can only use 6 of them, typing and stats can only go so far to make pokemon defining or unique or stand out. The best way to make pokemon stand out and have their own identity is through ability and signature moves. I want even more unique abilities, and old useless abilities like "immunity to accuracy being dropped" need to be totally revamped
