Gen 9 marks the first generation that had zero non-mobile spinoff games.
Legends games are not mainline
Where the fuck is Mystery Dungeon when you need it? These games suck.
>>58939617Pokopia is less than a month away
Pokemon might be the only franchise where I see people asking for more spinoffs. I see fans of Metroid, Zelda, or Kingdom Hearts and the side games are not so desired or considered filler.
>>58939626tpc disagrees
>frogposter is retardedPokopia.
>>58939633>Where the fuck is Mystery DungeonEven if it were here, you wouldn't buy it
>>58939617ZA? Pokopia?
>>58939654Generally the people clamouring for them ignore their sole existence was to continue to persist the brand in amongst Game Freak's offerings and earn extra money on top of the rest the franchise's revenues. Since mobileshit now does that far far better than spin offs ever did, those people haven't accepted the lack of need for a spin off, much less a fleet of them. Hell, even pokopia's a new idea to the series, rather than rehashing a past genre to produce it.
>>58939719Legends titles aren't spin offs though. Never wereeither.
>>58939705Yes I would
>>58939646yea pokopia does count i suppose, i forgot about it.
>>58939725nobody cares what gamefreak claims, they're clearly fundamentally different from regular pokemon games and are, therefore, spinoffs.
>>58939617Detective Pikachu Returns and Pokopia.>>58939654Pokémon lends itself well to spinoffs and there are a good number of fans that think the spinoffs are better than mainline.>I see fans of Metroid, Zelda, or Kingdom Hearts and the side games are not so desired or considered filler.Speaking as a Kingdom Hearts fan, they're not so desired because the spinoffs are canon and necessary to figure out its mess of a story after the first game. You can't just go from 1 to 2, you have to go from 1 to Chain of Memories to 2, then another 7 spinoffs before 3.Imagine if GO and Masters EX were required to understand Gen 10's plot, that's what KH fans have to deal with. Heck, there was almost a Kingdom Hearts GO, but that was thankfully cancelled.
>>58939767So you don't care, because you're an autistic cunt unable to handle anything less than the same copy/pasted shite you ate up right until they didn't remake your childhood for you?I don't care, they're not a spin off. Another BIG fucking hint is Game Freak made it and Nintendo funded it, which doesn't happen for spin offs. Ishihara funds them and TPC make them (which is why they went mobile and game-key card, too cheap to spend the dev budget needed to produce even the meanest 3D graphics needed to actually make the game attractive to the public). The whole point of Game Freak from Nintendo's point of view is sell consoles with their games. If they're ordering more Pokémon games from them, Game Freak are continuing to add them to their canon., while continuing to excise spin off shit from it (Colo/Gale 'mons have no official region in their game of origin code, L: A and L: Z-A both have identifier codes).
>>58939811you're jumping through a lot of hoops now. It's as absurd as nintendo claiming that everything from smb3 to mario galaxy to mario maker to even super mario run are mainline titles, when clearly the autorunner and level editor are spinoffs and the 2d and 3d titles are different series. It's like claiming that all legend of zelda games, including link's crossbow training and Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland are mainline.It's absurd, and you're stupid.
>>58939811are you conflating canonicity with being a mainline title? If the pokemon ranger games or pokemon dash were "canon" would they be mainline in your eyes, lmao? What about if nintendo funded them? retard
>>58939811>>58939834>>58939839Shut the fuck up all of you are wrongObviously Legends games are in a category of their own. They're not flagship titles like Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet. They're not 3rd-party-developed RPGs like XD and Colosseum. And they're definitely not in the same category as stuff like Hey You Pikachu, PokePark, Mystery Dungeon, etc.This whole "mainline" debate is retarded because you can look at it from 100 different angles. Frankly, the only true "mainline" games are the flagship titles like Red and Blue, Gold and Silver, Ruby and Sapphire, etc. Third versions like Yellow and Emerald, remakes like FireRed and LeafGreen, and yes, Legends, are all part of the "canon" series of GameFreak-developed Pokemon RPGs alongside those mainline games, but they do not represent the core, linear progression of the Pokemon series.
>>58939895If they're not mainline, they're a spinoff. It's a binary.
>>58939904It is not a binary. Only severe autists think of things that way
>>58939788>Heck, there was almost a Kingdom Hearts GO, but that was thankfully cancelled.Chasing the trend too late...
>>58939895Yeah, it's called "being part of the main series" you sperg retard. The fact they referenced L: A in SV kinda definitively proves that (they never mentioned Wes once in their history, for reference), despite what special little children on the internet MUST believe, because it differed from their copy/paste childhood.
>>58939839No lad, I'm pointing out how Game Freak referencing it automatically makes it part of the mainline. they don't bother their arses referencing spin off NPC's or protags, yet put a pic of Laventon into SV, because they wanted to make sure the great unwashed understood it wasn't actually a spin off. Congratulations, you're stupider than a normalfag.
>>58939908>It is not a binary.It is a binary.>Is this game mainline?>Yes or no?anything that's not mainline is something else. That group of other things we call "spinoffs". There are some that are more similar to mainline titles and there are some that are less similar, but the fact that there are grades of them does not mean the qualification to be mainline is not binary. Just like how "Is the sky blue?" is a binary. It is or it isn't. Answering "errrmmmm actually it's sometimes yellow, pink, purple, orange, black, etc because of sunsets, sunrises, and night..." is retarded and nonsensical. I believe you understand this and actually agree and misinterpreted my stance earlier.
>>58939617If Legends counts as mainline, I'm counting Colo and XD as mainline, further cementing Gen 3 supremacy.
>>58939925>I'm pointing out how Game Freak referencing it automatically makes it part of the mainline.So you consider anything that's canon as mainline? Thanks for confirming that you're retarded...
>>58939944Thing is Legends counts as mainline, because Game Freak intend it to be so when they made it, to the point they added its own unique ID code and icon so whenever a pokémon gets moved from it to the next game it can travel to, it will display as originating from a recognised title.Colo and gale have no such codes, or even treatment, because they weren't made by them. It's as simple as that.
>>58939965>counts as mainline, because Game Freak intend it to be sothis does NOT matter and anyone insisting this is retarded
>>58939953>>58939965No, I consider anything mainline to be what they say is mainline, unlike the autistic children, who ree their headcanons are different. You know, from their own in-game code for non-native pokemon and their own master list of mainline released games. >>58939725I'm not interested in hearing about your own reasons why they can't be, as word of god trumps word of retard every day of the year, I'm finished dealing with a sperg who can't even.
>>58939970>what they say is mainline,>>58939834>It's as absurd as nintendo claiming that everything from smb3 to mario galaxy to mario maker to even super mario run are mainline titles, when clearly the autorunner and level editor are spinoffs and the 2d and 3d titles are different series.you are retarded
>>58939940When you ask "is the sky blue," everybody knows what you're talking about because there is a single definition of the noun "sky." What is your definition of "mainline," because the dictionary doesn't have a definition for that word that is applicable to this situation and the Pokemon company does not provide a definition for it either? If there isn't a single, widely accepted definition for the term, then nobody can ever win this argument because there's no universal or objective truth involved.
>>58939969This is the whole crux of the issue kid. They decide, spergy retread retards getting mad online don't.
>>58939976I can tell you what it considers mainline and only that - Red/Green and the endless copy/pastes of that formula right up to now and nothing else. because despite L: A&Z-A both adhering to series norms, while mixing everything up due to being aimed at teenagers instead of babies, they can't be mainline. Despite them being the same kiddy-safe horseshit the other games are, but the pokémon can attack the player now (which has been continually meintioned in every "mainline" title, but not actually shown because "lolitzfurkidz!".
>>58939977>They decide,No, they don't. That's not how linguistics work. It's not how pattern recognition nor categorization work. If they declared Pokemon Go mainline tomorrow, you'd call them retarded if you had enough braincells to be able to read the news of it.
>>58939990>being aimed at teenagersOk you lost me
>>58939995Erm, they do. That's again why it's listed as part of the "Pocket Monsters Series" of games on the Japanese website. Thanks for confirming you're an autistic shithead having a moment.>>58939999Teraleak revealed that the paired games are aimed at pre-teen children and casualfags while the Legends games are aimed at older and more experienced players. but as it's clearly not grimdark, crapsack like "mature" gamers' games are, it can only mean they're aimed at teenagers and the hardcore sperg fans (which tracks with the mid-gen sales, that only hardcores end up picking up).
>>58939725thankfully the Miku crossover reveals which games Gamefreak considers mainline
>>58940075See, you keep repeating yourself but you're not understanding. Gamefreak doesn't decide what is considered a mainline title because no individual entity can decide that, and no author can control that. The concept of a mainline title is what is standard and expected. 2 games that stray from the formula are objectively spinoffs and not mainline titles. You are ignoring very basic facts about how language and definitions work.
>>58940183SuMo doesn't have gyms, SV is open world with no order, why aren't they spinoffs?
>>58940190You're being disingenuous.
>>58940183>Gamefreak doesn't decide what is considered a mainline title because no individual entity can decide that, and no author can control that.Are you fucking retarded? Being the AUTHOR of the product, they quite literally have AUTHORity over it, and therefore have the authority to decide what is mainline and what is not. If they consider Legends to be mainline (which they obviously do), then they developed Legends with the intention that it is mainline. Therefore, Legends is mainline.The only possible way their authority on mainline status could be challenged would be if there was popular consensus to the contrary, which there obviously isn't because people have been arguing about this for more than four years.>2 games that stray from the formula are objectively spinoffs and not mainline titlesSo Zelda Breath of the Wild is a spinoff, then? It strays much farther from the established Zelda formula than Legends strays from the Pokemon formula. What about Super Mario 64? That must be a spinoff, too, because it has a completely different formula from the older Mario games! This argument is retarded because every single long-running video game franchise has had changes made to its formula over time, experimented with different mechanics, dropped certain ones and brought old ones back, and so on.Your headcanon is meaningless, your childhood franchise won't stay the same forever, and you have no control over what is and isn't mainline, especially when the creators of the series have said Legends is mainline multiple times and you continue to ignore them.
>>58939788>Imagine if GO and Masters EX were required to understand Gen 10's plot, that's what KH fans have to deal with.Let me reiterate this point, I was thinking too recent with the phone game is canon bullshit.Imagine if every mainline game, side game, and spinoff game that can connect to mainline or is very strongly associated with it were all canon and required to follow Pokémon's story with definitive versions superseding their originals and remakes counted as separate entries.To understand a Gen 10 with this in mind, you'd have to go through>Yellow>Stadium (JP)>Stadium>Crystal>Pikachu 2 GS>Stadium 2>Emerald>Box Ruby & Sapphire>Colosseum>FireRed/LeafGreen>XD: Gale of Darkness>Ranger>Platinum>Battle Revolution>Ranger: Shadows of Almia>My Pokémon Ranch>HeartGold/SoulSilver + Pokéwalker>Ranger: Guardian Signs>Black/White + Dream World>Pokédex 3D Pro>Black 2/White 2 + Dream World>Dream Radar>X/Y>Bank>Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire>GO>Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon>Quest>Let's Go, Pikachu!/Let's Go, Eevee!>Masters EX>Sword/Shield + Expansion Pass>HOME>Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl>Legends: Arceus + Daybreak>Scarlet/Violet + The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero>Legends: Z-A + Mega Dimension>Pokopia>ChampionsBe thankful Pokémon constantly appeals to casuals and newcomers for better or worse.
>>58940273>Being the AUTHOR of the product,death of the author.Didn't read the rest because I know you're retarded already, you didn't have to go to such great lengths to spell it out for me.
>>58940252>says a disingenuous retardHe's right, they're non-standard, just like L: A and L: Z-A but somehow one is acceptable and the other's not. Because baba can't comprehend a game in a series NOT being a slavish copy/paste of something else in-series yet be considered part of the series.>>58940481>STILL "n-no u"ing because she got fucking toldLove to see it.
