Protagonists then vs Protagonists now
>>58993544just dress like left in real life if you really have to
>>58993557But I'm not a faggot who thinks he's a girl
>>58993544I have a bigger problem with still playing as kids
>>58993544>AGPs can't coom to childrens games as easily anymoreoh no, the horror
>>58993544Um...this is pointlessly genderedYikes
>>58993544Customization is still a great addition, but I wish it didn't come at the cost of making the protagonist designs even blander and more characterless, especially when the customization options are as limited as they are.
>>58993619>I-IT'S CUSTOMIZATION'S FAULT!!>serena is popular as fuck>chicken-chan is popular as fuck>gloria is popular as fuckwhy do unova fans keep trying to invent new cope to shit on gen 6?
>>58993629When the fuck did I mention anything about Unova retard?
>>58993629>anon posts something, anything>"B-B-BORT!1!!!1!"holy schizotard
>>58993589yes you are
>unova out of nowheremindbroken by the best gen
>>58993643>When the fuck did I mention anything about the last game to not have customization?>>58993619>>58993644>>58993655I'm sorry you're ESL
>>58993659I'm sorry you're a subhuman brainlet
>>58993659>ranjesh from mumbai calling anyone an ESLlmaooo
>>58993629yeah trying to blame customization just seems like a weird cope for gen 5 not having customization
>>58993544>Unique iconic hairstyleDelusional. Most protags of the first few gens have pretty basic hairstyles and the girls aren't any more distinct than the optional more flamboyant hairstyles you can use in the new games. Hell a good number of them like Leaf, Dawn and May have completely generic anime girl hair styles you wouldn't blink if they appeared on a random mob characters.>AcessoriesStill exist.>Light gearStill exist.>Girly clothingStill exist, the only game that skimped on that was SV and that was because the entire game was a mess composed out of easily reused assets.Any complaint about the current protagonist designs is brain dead until you are able to see the scope of the customization.
>>58993689>>Girly clothing>Still existNigga both protagonists genders wear literally the exact same outfit
>>58993714No they don't. The girl has a shirt with a V neck and shorts that ride higher near her stomach than the boy and the pants also have different shapes despite both being shorts, that is a sign that the male and female trainers are sharing less geometry than the SV kids did in their base models, and the girl's shirt also has a cutesy pattern that indicate the game isn't going to go with gender neutral decoration like SV tried to.Besides these are both default outfits. The ZA protagonists had pretty similar clothes but then the game had a fuckload of feminine customization despite the understated default outfits. We simply don't know enough about the new game yet to assume we know the scope of the feminine clothing options.
>>58993754>No they don't. The girl has a shirt with a V neck and shorts that ride higher near her stomach than the boy and the pants also have different shapes despite both being shorts, that is a sign that the male and female trainers are sharing less geometry than the SV kids did in their base models, and the girl's shirt also has a cutesy pattern that indicate the game isn't going to go with gender neutral decoration like SV tried to.Okay dude, it's still a slight variation of the same exact outfit. No comparison to previous protagonists that dressed completely different with obviously gendered clothing.>Besides these are both default outfits. The ZA protagonists had pretty similar clothes but then the game had a fuckload of feminine customization despite the understated default outfits. We simply don't know enough about the new game yet to assume we know the scope of the feminine clothing options.None of that matters, those are not canon character designs. We want protagonists with identity like Misty, May, Dawn, Serena, etc not just generic blank slates that everybody can dress up differently.
>>58993599PBR figured this out 20 fucking years ago
>>58993544black and white didn't die for this
>>58993659>about the last game to not have customization?You mean ORAS?
>>58993544Player characters haven't been designed to be characters since XY. They're just avatars to customize.
>>58993777>Okay dude, it's still a slight variation of the same exact outfit. No comparison to previous protagonists that dressed completely different with obviously gendered clothing.But that is irrelevant to the point that the games still have feminine clothing. SV is the only game that did not, and then it went back to having it right away with ZA.>None of that matters, those are not canon character designs.That is entirely meaningless unless someone is autistically attached to the bad manga. The anime projects don't use the game protagonists anymore, the MASTERS EX mobile game uses alt hairstyles and clothes from the games whenever it wants to. "Canon protag designs" nowadays simply boil down to "picture of the player character you will see on a Wikipedia article" and only that.
>>58993881They weren’t designed to be “characters” before then either. I’m sorry your favorite games are lazy and didn’t have customization.
>>58993889Dude how hard is it to understand that we want more iconic pokégirls with unique and memorable designs instead of>Type B
>>58993922But you will still get those. The games will once again feature a cast of characters that you can masturbate to and the new anime too and the new spin offs too and so on. Hell you can even customize your fuck toy of choice now.
>>58993544Girls aren't allowed to wear skirts anymore
>>58993777>We want protagonists [...] like MistyHave you played a pokemon game? Like ever?
>>58993960He's not wrong ngl the ZA protagonists are college aged but they dont look much different from SWSH or SM protags
>>58993968>ZA protagonists are college agedsource?
>>58993689This retarded gaslighting is so annoying. The customization excuse is stupid because nothing stops them from making the characters the way they've always made them.
>>58993544left looks like how chris chan dresses post transition
>>58994014Why do you know that?
>>58993544this. im sick of every female MC looking like chicken chan or a grade schooler
>>58993976Seeing as the cast of characters by the end of the game are running a hotel, they are clearly much older then standard protagonists
>>58994014Yeah? He dresses like a ten year old anime girl, but that style existed before him
>>58993599We were moving in the right direction with gens 5-7. Then as soon as we moved to 3D we suddenly started getting toddler protags.
>>58994363People were drawing Gloria as an older character like the gens 5 & 6 ones. Then Marnie happened and lolifags took over.
>>58993960this but unironically
There was a very clear trend starting in frlg and going out to gen 6 where the protags were ambiguously aged between 15-19 but in SM the protags were like 13-14, and then in USUM, they de-aged them even further to the point that they're both almost explicitly 12>>58993960He's correct, but picked the literal worst batch of characters to make his point.
>>58993544Who the fuck caresPokémon is about POKÉMON not "cute girl walking simulator" you fucking faggot
>>58993544I notice that the left doesnt exist and isnt real
>>58994468>>58993960
>>58993976Heavily implied by the fact Team MZ continue to operate Hotel Z on their own even after AZ's death.Also, the protagonist finds themselves getting swept up in more grounded, day-to-day affairs than most, especially those relating to the politics and socioeconomics of Lumiose, which implies they're old enough to give a shit about those things whereas for other protagonists it either doesn't exist or is tucked away into a side area ala ORAS' Sea Mauville.
>>58994494>leaf>11not with that bust she isn't.
>>58994507Do you ever go outside? See the world and you'll realize you are sorely mistaken.
>>58994494Im sorry none of the gen 3-6 character arts look younger than 15 to me, outside of dawn, and its mainly her outfit, put her in a different outfit and she'd look older
Since XY, when the games started to have customization, the chara design became far less important. Iconic designs are now negative, since they interfere with the player ideas.
>>58994550XY still had distinct characters. The games afterward are just [Avatar] and [Avatar](Body Type B)
>>58994550Nah, Gen 9 started the "we can't have real designs" trend.Serena, Selene and Gloria were all distinct instead of painfully generic.
"Pokemon protags used to have distinct designs"No, they had a distinct facial artstyle that was different at the time and stood out, now that Sugi isn't the lead artist anymore, the new guy draws the protags's faces like every other anime character you've ever seen, making them more generic by contrast.
This nigga is really looking at Leaf and Red and saying they look the same.
>>58994541I do go outside, and while I rarely see children much anymore, mostly in Walmarts and such, I've never seen a girl I thought was about 11-12 with a chest like Leaf's.
>>58993544Right looks closer to the classic protagonist than the left.
The only difference is that Wind and Waves are both wearing shorts.If they were designed in 2006 Waves would be wearing a skirt under her outfit.
>>58994595Right looks like a generic town NPC.
>>58994471Well the pokemon fucking suck too lately so all we have left is the pretty girls.
What's weird is that they don't shy away from "sexual" designs in pokemon.I get that this is different since its a character and not the protagonist but you're fucking stupid if you think Emma's design isn't more actively sexual than May or Dawn or Hilda.
>>58993544right is a return to formleft is 5&6 (nugen but people will cope about that)
>>58993629>Unova out of nowhere
>>58994627what's sexual about it?
>>58994587>male covered head to toe>girl is the only one that gets to show off skinshould've made the boys show more skin
>>58994595Left looks like Gen 3 to 6Right looks like Gen 10
>>58994622Cope, gen 9 has some cool as fuck mons
>>58993629holy rent free batman
>>58994595>>58994609it's literally the bug maniac npc class
>>58993857sex kill sex sex
i can't tell if this the incel thread about pedo machildrens who are mad about non-sexualized childrens OR the queer AGP thread mad he can't self insert into pretty girls
>>58993544The real THEN was just like NOW.You are thinking of gen 4 and 5, try 1 and 2
>>58995112>what's sexual about a trench coat that's been cropped short enough to show her rear, navel and crotch? The first time you meet her the camera pans around her ass, they know what they were doing.
>>58995232>reeeee don't criticize muh multi-billion dollar franchise
>>58995272You're dodging the question anon Are you the pedo incel side or the pedo AGP side?
>>58995232how is left more sexual than right?it’s still a worse design imo, but I don’t see how it’s sexual
>>58993589Not yet
>>58994468G/S Ethan and Kris are still my absolute favourite player character designs, though R/S Brendan and May are a close second.
>>58995278>adhere to my faggoted false dichotomyNo, how about you either slit your wrist or hang yourself. Pick one.
If you are obsessed with female protagonists you are a pedophilic Epstein blud tranny.
>>58993906they were literally whole ass people with established friend groups and families what the fuck are you talking about, yes they were. My issue with newer MCs is kinda this, they don't really have that anymore and they're all blander for it
>>58994587You do realize these protagonists, as well as the SV ones, were designed by Sugimori right?
>>58995460>Zero answers Perfect I see that I hit the nail on the head since you don't want to admit that you are indeed part of one of these two factions, you would have made a better impression by directly answering the question that you are indeed an incel pedophile or an AGP fag who wants children sexualized lol
>>58995468>HOW DARE YOU FIND THESE VISIBLY DEVELOPED GIRLS ATTRACTIVE!
>>58995497I said pick one.
>>58995507If you don't want to adhere to other people's rules I don't see why they should do the same to a fake fence sitter like you lol
>>58995513You clearly want to kill yourself, so just pick one
>>58995519Again you're either a pedo incel or a pedo AGP Prove me wrong or fuck off back to >>>/pol/ or >>>/lgbt/
>>58995527Fuck off the side of a bridge, you suicidal faggot
>>58995544>Xhe can't prove me wrong keeeek!
>muh pedophiliaI need one of you normie NPC retards, preferably you >>58995527 to explain to me how finding a visibly pubescent girl like >>58994507 with visible tits and an hourglass figure is somehow pedophilia. Quick reminder that the official definition for Pedophilia is "a sexual interest in prepubescent children."
>>58995547No, I got the tripple dubs, so I won.Cope n seethe.
>>58995570pubescent =/= Adult You're still a pedo >Normies Oh so not being attracted to childrens is normie behavior? i guess that's normal in burgerland for pokemon fans
>>58995580>No argument i accept your concession anon have fun with your pointless internet numbers pedo-kun
>>58993544What I hate the most is how even the customization is now genderless androgynous blobs.Can't have truly masculine or feminine customization options.By trying to be more "inclusive" now there's less variety than ever. I'm so sick and tired of this shit.
Average pokegirl "Fan" btw
>>58995581>AdultThe male brain did not evolve with your arbitrary numbers in mind, it evolved to desire development and fertility. Unfortunately, retards like you aren't mature enough to have this conversation, but men WILL find features like ass, tits, and hips attractive, no matter the age. It's only when you go to act on that attraction towards girls who aren't mature enough to consent is it a problem. The attraction itself is automatic and involuntary.
>>58995614>it evolved to desire development and fertility. i'm not epstein but you can be if you really want
>>58995624>"nuh-uh"Address the argument like a mature adult or fuck off back to plebbit
>>58995669Stop being attracted to childrens epstein
>>58995680I accept your concession. You're 0 for 2 so far, bud, it's not looking too good for you.
>>58995684Okay epstein
>>58993544I understand main characters are supposed to be blank sheets for customization.But... come on, Serena and Chicken were also customizable and were fairly iconic
>>58995485no they weren't
>>58995702well chicken-chan was the first of her kind. gets bland when every fem MC has that same black bowl cut hair style though
>>58993544>leftsome tryhard cosplay whore>rightcute Japanese gradeschooler
>>58994587yeah true i can agree with that. the new male MC doesn't have that edge to his look like Sugimori could do.. he looks softer than the fem MC
>>58994363>gen 7Chicken-chan is supposed to be an adult now?
>>58995748I hate Mizutani's stuff except for Z-A..pretty good design there. Tired-eyes and Colored eyes era the best tho
>>58995772The real killer is the build of the characters.Sugi's designs were never muscular or broad but they had some heft to their legs, some implied musculature from their active lifestyle. The new protags are stick people.
>>58993544What I find the most retarded of all is that I can't pick both.Pokemon has 2 audiences, the kids currently growing up with the current gens, and the adults who grew up with the OG games but are still into it. Why, then, am is there not an older MC counterpart for the older audiences to choose? Let the kids pick the kid MC, and let me pick the aged up 16-18 MC. How are we on Gen10 now and this still isn't a feature?
>>58995787Idk why I thought B2/W2 were a different gen. I should've said 5 & 6.
>>58994386Gloria was also shipped with the lass before Marnie happened.
>>58995836I miss her. The Lass was adorable.
>>58995908
>>58993544This is a good thing. I hate super modern anime cringe in modern Pokemon. I prefer more modest looking protagonists.
>>58993544>using the female character as the example I know what you are
>>58993589>denial
