How stupid do you have to be to actually think this was better than the split? Are you capable of any critical thinking whatsoever?
You don't understand, anon. Having a bunch of mixed attacking shitmons is peak pokemon for my brain that never finished developing after middle school.
>>59024088The only issue is ghost being physical otherwise it makes more sense than what we have now
>>59024088Is the meta interesting at least?
>>59024088The gen 4 split was an improvement, but people acting like the games before gen 4 were unplayable because of it are retarded babies. The only serious issue is that ghost should have been special in gen 2 and beyond (shadow ball is much more relevant then lick) and dark should have been physical.>>59024092The real blow to mixed attackers was the change in the EV system after gen 2 where you're now kneecapping yourself by investing in both attack stats. A shame too because of how many gen 3 pokemon have such balanced and mixed stat spreads.
>>59024092>shitmonsYou should try not being bad at games made for kids.
>>59024088Only Gaslty line and Gyrados suffered for these.
>>59024088>You're not capable of critical thinking because you have to actually think about your Pokemon's movesets instead of just matching the STAB to the highest stat and mashing the A button like me
>>59024092>You don't understand, anon. Having the game actually be balanced is peak pokemoncorrect
>>59024088gen 3 + split is goodfuture gens + split would still be horribly unbalanced because game freak would still find ways to make increasingly stronger abilities, moves, and BST stat spreads. gholdengo still would have good as gold and would have been a physical attackerwe keep having these fucking threads and they go nowhere, stop it you retards
>>59024192>>59024112>>59024142whoa
>>59024088This thread will be about whether or not the split helped Sneasel and Crawdaunt while disregarding outside factors like powercreep, then the thread will go on about how the split killed mixed attackers as if most mixed attackers even change when they were using Fire Blast and Earthquake anyways.The real key take away is that split nerfed stall. Blissey no longer endlessly walled half the type chart while Skarmory no longered walled the other half. You suddenly had moves like Flare Blitz that threatened Blissey as a Fire move and Skarmory as a Physical move.
>>59024088Intrinsically there is nothing wrong with the split, but functionally it just ends up being such a powercreep that it makes me prefer the balance of the pre-split. Every single argument against the pre-split is illogical and flawed.
>>59024088No bro it totally makes sense that a Bite wouldn’t cause physical damage
>The Gastly line were the only Ghost types in gen I>They're special attackers>The only Ghost type movie in gen I was a physical attackWhat was the thought process here?
>>59024228Pre-split would buff Blissey and Skarmory drastically, and powercreep would still exist.
>>59024152>no hard counter to psychic types in FRLGyeah, really balanced huh?
>>59024240The only attacking Ghost moves in Gen 1 were Lick and Night Shade, and Night Shade does fixed amounts of damage.
>>59024251>I can only counter pokemon if the "it's super effective!" message appears on the screen
>>59024245>Blissey and SkarmoryOne specific meta doesn't define the game. They are shit in game, and in doubles.
>>59024088Nostalgiatards are incapable of critical thinking, yes.
>>59024258>type advantages don't le h*ckin' exist
>>59024258And what's the hard counter to Psychic-types if not type weaknesses or stat weaknesses?
>>59024306Do you know why Blissey and Skarmory were nerfed by the split?Its because you got more offensive options in dealing with them. Physical Fire, Water, Grass, and Dragon moves. Special Fighting and Ghost moves. Physical attackers could run physical Fire and Electric moves that threatened both Blissey and Skarmory at the same time.This princeple applies to every wall too. Instead of your weaknesses being only types on your weaker defense so you’d switch out anyways, you had to account for your weaknesses on your stronger defense too.
>>59024344physical attackers. Most psychic types, especially in Gen 1 are frail as a piece of paper
>>59024094Dark being special make no sense too
>>59024152>balancedLmao
>>59024385>or stat weaknesses
The seeds that will create the viral gen 4 hate truther video essays have been sown. See you in 5-10 years.
>>59024399I can't use A so how am I supposed to beat them. And no I won't accept B, even though it's valid in most cases
>>59024088It homogenized the types. Never a good thing.
You can fix most issues people have with the old system by making Dark physical and Ghost special.Also I feel the old system makes every Pokemon way more reliant on TMs than what would be ideal, Gen 3 doesn't have permanent TMs, that's one of things that makes it annoying for me.
>>59024540You won't accept hitting harder as a viable solution, so why should I?
>>59024088The EV system works better with split damage types because you can't invest in multiple offensive stats. Mixed attackers are pointless and are always strictly worse than something that doesn't have wasted stat points in the lower offensive stat.It's novel in gens 1 & 2, where you didn't have capped stats, but most things in 3 just ran the same few moves.
>>59024612>things got worse later onAs usual
>>59024671I prefer EVs to stat experience. EVs have the tradeoff in that the points are limited, and that allows for customization of a set. There is never a reason to not max out stat experience, so it's just needless busywork in making a Pokemon.
>>59024676EVs are why mixed attackers suck and the busywork easily could have been given some QoL solution.
>>59024691I'd rather have custom sets than mixed attackers.
>>59024691EVs are a factor to why Mixed attackers suck, but the main reason is stat budgets.Unless you are very super special legendary, you’ll have a BST significantly lower than 680s to 780s. That means you can’t just slap stats on every stat. If you have a BST of 520 and your offenses are both 110, that means your HP, Def, SpD, and Spe only have 300 of stats to work with. So that means you’re either:>Fast but super frail and only hits decently well>Slow, but only moderately bulky and only hits decently well>Mediocre in both speed and bulk and also offenses tooIf one of your offenses was 130 and the other was 50, you are significantly better off in every department besides the weaker offensive stat, which isn’t that big of a deal.
>>59024385>Kadabra used REFLECT!Checkmate.
>>59024557It's a shame when niggers are too busy arguing over the same thing while an actual, reasonable take gets completely ignored
>>59024092Real talk, it was the Gen 3 change to EVs that started the process of killing mixed attackers, not the physical special split.
>>59024088>Are you capable of any critical thinking whatsoever?You're expecting far too much from kantoboomers, johtouncs, and hoennials
>>59024109>The real blow to mixed attackers was the change in the EV system after gen 2 where you're now kneecapping yourself by investing in both attack stats. A shame too because of how many gen 3 pokemon have such balanced and mixed stat spreads.All they would need to do is up the number total EVs you can have to 756 so you can max 3 stats and then bam, problem solved. Would probably make them game more stall oriented though.
>>59024390Darkness absolutely should be specialIts early moves being sucker punch, crunch, knock off or payback is stupid though
It did afford a bulkier and more skill-dependent metagame when it was around though.
>>59024949>Darknessit's trickery and beguile. Getting stabbed with a shank is more in-line with what the typing means than the aura of negativity that is Dark Pulse, which would have been an obvious move to make a literal darkness attack.
>>59024946Not really.No one is gonna invest 252 EVs into Kingambit’s SpA. They’ll invest those extra EVs to have Max Speed and Max HP.And no one gonna use Camerupt or Scovillain suddenly because they can use both Flare Blitz and Flamethrower on the same set.
>>59025082No shit, Kingambit has like a 60 point difference between it's base stats. This is more about making natural mixed attackers like Nidoking, Torkoal, Tangroth etc more viable.>And no one gonna use Camerupt or Scovillain suddenly because they can use both Flare Blitz and Flamethrower on the same set.They might, it would depend on the meta. Mixed attackers find niches because the gain options to threaten a variety of key mons in the meta. All the EV change would do is make it easier to set up a mixed attacker.
>>59025434Nidoking would still exclusively use Special attacks apart from maybe Sucker Punch which it won’t waste 252 EVs into since its only used for priority.Similarly Torkoal and Tangrowth aren’t going out of their way to be mixed attackers even on offensive sets. The closest you’ll get is them using utility moves like Rapid Spin and Knock Off which aren’t there for damage.The fundamental flaw with mixed attackers is that the average Pokemon doesn’t have lopsided defenses and one side is gonna do more damage overall.If you have say a Choice Specs Kyurem, what benefit do you really have putting outrage on it? To beat Blissey/Chansey? You are just better off using Special moves and relying on teammates to break Blissey, then investing the rest of those EVs into bulk.The only times I have seen a mixed attacker be successful, being a mixed attacker by choice, and not just using utility moves, is like Mixed Primal Groudon using Overheat and physical moves.
>>59024949Dark type is not darkness, is dirty fight
>>59024946>Blissey and Skarmory with full defensesYou give me gen2 flashbacks anon
>>59024258Sableye is literally god-tier then
>>59024088The people that mainly hate it are the ones that autistically love the mons it screwed over.
>>59024088I actually kind of prefer in some ways for its simplicity but I do think ghost and dark should've swapped, idk what GF was smoking.
Muh Sneasel in gen 3 OU!!1
>>59026524Sneasel still would've been shit, its just weird that biting and crunching things is not considered physical.
