What is your opinion on Pokemon that exist solely to be boxed and never used for battle?
>>59041796That’s like 99% of Pokemon since I almost always stick to a team of 6 so I’m indifferent
>>59041796They're fun and add something to do other than battles. Not every dog is fit for fighting after all, and collecting is part of the game too.
>>59041796Most of the popular mons are not total dogshit in battles. I wonder why? Could it be that people actually want to use their Pokemon in battles instead of catching and forgetting them like in Go?
Gen2 in a nutshell
>>59041796I really wish I could find the "chatot's a philly, too" copypasta I used to see on /vp/ back in the daySome mons exist for the sole purpose of making other mons appear stronger and cooler. You aren't supposed to use Unown for the same basic reason you aren't supposed to use Fearow. Unown was there to make Suicune sick as fuck. That's the point.
>>59042099>for the same basic reason you aren't supposed to use Fearow.fuck you
>>59042099Except it has nothing to do with Suicune in its original game and is just a total shitmon
>>59042111>Except it has nothing to do with Suicune in its original gameI never said it did>and is just a total shitmonYes. That's the point. The point is it sucks. Some Pokemon have to suck. They have to suck so that other Pokemon can be cool by comparison. That's why I picked Suicune as an example, it's a Pokemon you only have access to in the late game, it's got an iconic design, it's on the cover of the game, and if its viability in battle is not significantly better than a fucking Unown, then getting it feels anticlimactic.This is basic RPG design. You can't have the Sword Of Endless Destiny +1 in the hidden dungeon at the end of the game just be as good as the Broken Stick you pick up on the ground outside the second town. Double battles in Gen III helped a lot because it created a niche for weak pokemon (by giving them support roles) but even then it's only in comp play, they come up rarely enough in the story that you basically don't think about them or building an optimal team for them. Which helps. But even then, some Pokemon just have to suck.It's okay for some Pokemon to suck. It's good for some Pokemon to suck.
>>59042131It literally has one move
>>59042133And that one move exists for a very specific purpose. Hidden Power was an extremely relevant move at the time in the game, and had huge implications for coverage (if you're old enough, you may remember that people talked about "boltbeam" but really one of the moves wasn't thunderbolt or ice beam, it was hidden power with the corresponding typing). Unown existed to teach the player about Hidden Power and how it works. A mysterious little Pokemon who only had one move, but a move that had weird properties that made it have different type effectiveness seemingly at random from Pokemon to Pokemon. You were sure to run into lots of them because you were, at least for a little while, trying to catch all 26 for the Unown Dex, so you'd spend at least one turn standing in front of multiple Unowns getting hit with moves that sometimes did neutral damage, sometimes did SE damage, and sometimes did NVE damage, even though they were all the same move.It was there for that purpose and it did its job. I cannot imagine being pissed off that it didn't have a place on your Elite 4 team, never mind in any kind of serious comp battling. That is not why Unown exists. It sucks by design, it's there as an interactive tutorial and piece of lore flavor. It's not meant to be good.
>>59042133then dont catch it bitch see if i care homo
>>59042099>Some mons exist for the sole purpose of making other mons appear stronger and cooler>>59042131>Some Pokemon have to suck. They have to suck so that other Pokemon can be cool by comparison.>>59042131>It's okay for some Pokemon to suck. It's good for some Pokemon to suck.Renounce Judaism before it's too late.
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>>59042140>>59042131Autism speaks
>>59041796I appreciate that Unown is only a single mon but can serve as a collectable that you need to catch 26+ times over. I actually like their sidequest in the Ruins of Alph and Solaceon Ruins
>>59042086fpbp
>>59041796Unown in particular is a good pokemon. I think the movie actually cemented them as a cool gimmick because the only scene i remember from that movie is the swirling vortex of unown. I think they fixed delibird finally, although i still have no idea why the fuck they included him in za and didnt include present.
>>59041796Unown is one of the least offensive examples of this despite being the most useless.
>>59042131>It's okay for some Pokemon to suck. It's good for some Pokemon to suck.
>>59042099>talking shit about FearowPidgeot's the real turd, Fearow's your main nigga until you can get Dodrio.
>>59041796mine look different
>>59042099Fearow was better than Pidgeot until the latter got its BST buffed.
>>59041796I'm pretty much 99% positive the Unown were meant to be much more important originally, but they scraped whatever ideas they had for them, so they're left with the series only implying they're important in some way, and never doing anything with this fact
>>59043792It isThe level 1 wooden sword shouldn’t be on par with the level 100 mythril dagger of instagib
>be in 4th grade>have Entei and Dragonite on your team>retarded class mates tells me he is going to trade me a legendary>he says once evolved this unown can become a new legendary>buy it up>trade my strongest mons>mfw I ended up with 6 unownshad to restart the fucking game because of this little ratshit. If i ever catch this fuckhead I will kill him.
>>59042432>>59041802>That’s like 99% of Pokemon since I almost always stick to a team of 6 so I’m indifferentyou know what, yeah, fpbp.
>>59042133>has one move>Game Freak gets rid of that one movewhat the fuck is their problem?
>>59042099>same basic reason you aren't supposed to use FearowFearow is actually great for use getting through the game, though. It doesn't hold up for competitive, but it has all the qualities of a great ingame mon. High offense and good speed, good moves early, early evo level. Even after getting powercrept to shit by later game pokemon, Fearow is actually still decent. The fact you think Fearow is boring doesn't make it bad, it's actually consistently great for single player, something shit like Unown and Spinda can't claim.
>>59044132Game freak is too inept to keep Hidden Power working in current year, same reason Pursuit got axed.
>>59042131You're right. For Pokemon to be good as an adventure RPG collectathon, it should be worthwhile to collect late game monsters. If anything, a lot of Pokemon games fuck this up by not actually having late game monsters be better than ones from earlier on. >>59043792It is good that Butterfree falls off by the mid-game. Because it means that later monsters are more fun to acquire because they actually function as upgrades to early ones. If anything, when you have Nidoking scenarios where one of the earliest pickups you can get will carry you through the game with ease, is actually undesireable. Because at that point there isn't a lot of impetus to swap it out or acquire new monsters.
>>59044142The issue of course is that the first mon you get (your starter) is generally one of the best mons you have access to. So on the one hand you have "the power of friendship, the game is about the bonds you form" but on the other hand you want it to be worth catching more mons than the first 6 the game puts in front of you.
>>59044081I believe this to an extent, but I think Unown in general was a mystery box at inception. There's nothing inside the box, the box is just there to make you wonder what's in it. There was maybe some open ended significance planned at one point, but, I think that was always secondary to them having a mystery in itself. If unown doesn't have a mystery, there's no point, besides spelling DICKS! on the report you send to the science man at the ruins.
>>59044142I will say, this is the one good thing about moving from Stat Exp to EVs. Stat Exp, there is almost no reason to ever switch off pokemon from the start of the game. It doesn't matter that Dodrio is better than Fearow in every way, because your Fearow has a fuckload of stat exp giving it +30ish to everything that Dodrio will never catch up on.I do think Squirtle is like the best example of how to balance starters in the series. Squirtle is one of the worst water types in the region, but it is given to you at the start of the game. Staryu, Lapras, Shelder, Seel, Tentacruel, hell, even Gyarados are all better, but Squirtle is the one you have now. That's the way starters SHOULD be balanced, but overwhelmingly starters are just some of the best pokemon in the region, period, and a starter that doesn't just steamroll the entire region is considered shit. Starters like Chikorita shouldn't be the exception, they should be the norm.
>>59044081>>59044166I agree that they likely had some scrapped purpose, I liked how they were used in gen 4 to give you seal effects, catching them should give something like that in all games.In gen 2 at least their stats were low mid tier and hidden power was a really cool move. Like most things though they got screwed by game freak giving every pokemon access to what should have been a signature move.
>>59042150>>It's okay for some Pokemon to suck. It's good for some Pokemon to suck.Is gyrados not super cool because magikarp is so spectaularly lame?
>>59044241>magikarp>lameFuck off.How can you not love the derpy koi?
>>59044267magikarp is by definition lame: not strong, good, or effective : lacking necessary or desirable substance : weak, ineffectual
>>59044267Magikarp is the underdog with hidden potential of Pokemon.
>>59044278This may have once been true, but Magikarp has completely lost its identity since EXP Share. Magikarp is just effortless access to one of the best pokemon in the game now. Nobody actually "deals" with magikarp, it's just an instant free payoff.
I feel like magikarp highlights how mistreated the unown areAssuming that it is indeed good for some Pokemon to suck magikarp, who is definitely one of the sucky ones can still learn enough moves to at least be entertaining for those who desire to use it, however hard and impractical that may be. Unown gets none of these benefits. Even “sucky” pokemon should have the ability to be used in an entertaining way for those who want to
>>59041796For good Pokémon to exist, there also have to be bad ones.
Unown isn't that terrible in gen 2. 72 special attack can work fine for a gym or two. It's disposable, but not unusable. Every other gen missed the point by making it a late or even postgame capture.
>>59041796They add flavor to the world and increase the immersive quality. Back in gen 3 and 4 there was stuff you could do with your Pokemon besides battle so they did have a niche if you really wanted to use one somehow in some capacity.Having weaker pokemon and stronger pokemon instead of everything being "balanced" is also important for that immersive quality. In general its stuff thats hard to put into words, but the games used to be more about a little world in your gameboy you could live in when you had downtime (due to school commutes or long car rides while parents run errands, whatever). Whereas now that the games are more about being bite-sized story focused JRPGs with online battles the Pokemon that exist for flavour make a lot less sense, since the modern games are designed to be played through until credits and then thats it.
>>59042099Fearow is decently usable in Gen 1 playthrough because Drill Peck
>>59041796maybe people would be more interested in catching em all if they were actually good or at least interesting in battle
On the PC, "Release" should be replaced with "Delete."
>>59041796They should at least be cute. If they're not cute AND not strong, they have no reason to exist.
>>59042670What are the more offensive examples of this despite being less useless?
>>59041796>>59041819>>59042099>>59042670Hehe has anyone tried arranging them in the pc like this?
>>59044081Relicanth is a better usage of this concept
>>59045788>>59045490>They should at least be cuteGo look up their Colloseum animations. They add so much personality to them, like here's X doing a cute little dance.
Lame
Nothing wrong with a mon being bad, some need to be so that the strong can shine and create a contrast.However, i dislike a pokemon being USELESS like unown, some may say it gives them flavor but for me it just looks like an excuse to be lazy, as you can usually get the same effect but by making them bad but well made.Unown are supposed to be weird beings with a "hidden power" to them? Give them a FULL movelist that reflects that, secret power, psywave, conversion, wonder room, etc.. All the weird working moves, dont lock them with one and call it a day, thats not cool or interesting, its just lazy.
>>59046388those eyes make them look creepier than their usual dot eyes
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>>59044570Unown is pretty decent in Legends Arceus.
>>59047615It's a shame that game has 0 replay value.
>>59041796mythicals feel like box trophies, can't even use them in battle facilities
>>59041796There should be like a robust farm mode or something where you can see your boxed mons interact with eachother
>>59042099>Fearow slanderWoah there, I know it's not perfect, but it has its uses in a playthrough. Kenya in GSC/HGSS can hard carry for 3 gyms consecutively and it has the benefit of being a gift mon with the traded mon exp boost, something I think is unique to it and Shuckie the Shuckle.As a flying type, it also doesn't get outclassed until Dodrio, which you can't even obtain until you're basically at the league.
>>59042099Fearow is a lot better than Pidgeot in both Gen 1 and 3. It learns better moves, evolves faster, hits harder and the 1 point in speed loss doesn’t matter at all. Dodrio is better than both though, and if you feel like grinding Aerodactyl up from level 5? Powerful.
>>59044142>If anything, when you have Nidoking scenarios where one of the earliest pickups you can get will carry you through the game with ease, is actually undesireable.it's really funny. When I was younger I completely missed that you needed a moonstone so I brought Nidorino to the E4. He was pretty useless but it's quite cool that some kids were "forced" to use NFE mons at times, like muh heckin ashnime. I thought it was fun.
Unown is a cool mon to have in the world and it’s not like it having 28 forms took away from much of anything.
>>59045845Nope nobody ever you're the first to think of it in the history of man
>>59048772Gen 1 at least gives you the fossils at 30. Don't know what they were thinking with FRLG.Fearow is still better than Dodrio. While the latter has higher stats, you're guaranteed to have more EVs invested into Fearow by the time you can encounter a Doduo.
I'm not sure which is worse: Unown or Spinda
>>59049563Spinda at least learns moves.
>>59041796Unown is the one Pokemon they can remove from the franchise and not even the most diehard johtoddler will miss it.
>>59048676Wasn't that the island beans mode with Mohn in SM?
>>59050396unown has a lot of fans retard
>>59041796It's incredibly soulful
>>59051187pfft
>>59041796For me it's farming heart scales
>>59052006I had a Galvantula with Thief for this purpose.
