>>59063244Middle stages are almost never more popular than final stages Incineroar is shilled by being broken in VeeGeeCee and it’s the one in Smash
>>59063244Because quadrupedtards are just a loud screeching minorityJust look at how many retards already forgot Skeledirge exists
>>59063244when was a middle starter evo more popular than the final evo ever? dumbass>incin>popularhe's barely popular among his starter trio and he's hard carried by being good in vgc yet he's still overlooked
>>59063244Incin did not ruin Torracat, Torracat ruined Litten.>>59063347Grovyle
>>59063254I wonder why, even with how many here and on other sites bring up how great middle stages are I only see Braixen and Grovyle (sometimes) beat their evos in fav polls.I guess most people who don't like the final evo just stick with the cutest first evo as their fav
>>59063244Is Incineroar actually popular?
>>59063347>he's barely popular among his starter trioHe scored higher than Decidueye in the JP poll for SM mons. The Alola starters are all comparable in that aspect, like the Hoenn/Sinnoh ones. There isn’t a guaranteed winner or loser in terms of fan appeal.
>>59063381>Not cute and marketable like 1st stages.>Not cool and strong like final stages.They usually are just awkwardly between two different niches and ultimately fail to fill both of them properly.While we can agree that Greninja is objectively an awful Pokemon and a straight downgrade to Frogardier, it's actually somewhat viable competitively and had all the cool hype moments in anime.
>>59063347> when was a middle starter evo more popular than the final evo ever? dumbassBraixen dumbass
>>59063448Even if you give a cool hype scene to something like Quilava in anime, it always will feel underwhelming because there always will be that feeling that it would be even cooler if it would be a Typhlosion.
>>59063452Fair point. Sex beats everything.
>>59063379>grovyleeven though he's well like that doesnt mean he surpassed sceptile smooth brain>>59063413Who gives a fuck about japanese polls when the majority of them have very few voters, decidueye is above incin
>>59063452sure thing dumb fucksame tier list as the one posted above
>>59063487>some random tier list Surely that’s why Serena and Pokken featured Braixen over Delphox?
>>59063485>>59063487Wtf am I even looking at
>>59063411Its a failed shillmon
>>59063411TPC seriously over estimated its appeal. They should have listened to the fans instead of assuming anime screen time and Smash gameplay would be enough to change people's minds.
>>59063411Someone at TPC is really butthurt that>when the starter evos leaked people shat on incineroar's design>it was initially overshadowed in marketing by mimikyu, lycanroc, and alolan vulpix (and still is outside of VGC and Smash)
>>59063452Braixisters...our response!?!?!?
>>59063452/thread
>>59063826>less than 100 votes behindno other mid-stage starter even begins to approach being that close in popularity to their final stage
>>59063826>>59063499
>>59063381>gangly teenage designs>incredibly incomplete looking, usually either the final form without key features, or the first form with weird pointless additions>Make niether a first impression nor a lasting impression In pokemon, the only real notable exceptions is with cross gen evos, because the now middle form was actually designed as complete. And then a small fistful of outliers, where the middle form doesn't look like incomplete garbage.This is really only a Pokemon problem, and a problem of games that try to ape it. Shit like Digimon doesn't really have this issue, plenry of people quite like, or even prefer middle forms, because those middle forms are designed to work by themselves usually.
>>59063379Grovyle is only liked by PMD furries desu
>>59063803Incin really was a good choice for Smash, I fully believe this. Smash Incin is a good character, that is very fun to play.But yeah everything else about this fukkin shit has mostly been in spite of people fukkin hating it
>>59063895>or even prefer middle forms, because those middle forms are designed to work as anime monsters and aren't just an excuse to sell more overpriced figurine kitsftfy
>>59063244Opinions on /vp/ don't correlate to mainstream opinion.
>>59064038Last time there was a ranking thread for starters the averages correlated pretty closely to general Western opinion.
>>59064044I think Greninja is about the biggest difference. Japan likes Greninja more than other people do. But I think that's about it
>>59063259SPBP. People crying about bipedal starters are a vocal minority when most of them are popular or at the very least more popular than their non humanoid counterparts
>A literal decade and people still can't quit the anti-Incineroar agendasHow did GF do it. How did they make the perfect heel that Pro Wrestling has struggled to create for ages now.
>>59063244his goofiness endears him
>>59063826>Incineroar and Cinderace both made 6th placeGuess the people who hate them are a minority.
>>59064306Greninja? Maybe, but it does pretty well in western polls too even if you ignore the google poll.I'd say Inteleon. Inteleon has a big fanbase in japan but in the west you might think it's one of the least popular starters.
>>59064353A very vocal minority hates them, but that's what they are a minority, that was before Cinderace was shilled too, this is what happened after a year in another poll from Korea.
>>59064324We can't get over furryslop when GF keeps churning out more and more of it.
>>59064356This poll depressed me. I thought my favorite was somewhat popular, but I got btfo
>>59064356>I'd say Inteleon. Inteleon has a big fanbase in japan but in the west you might think it's one of the least popular starters.Fuck, you're right.I legitimately forgot about it lmao.
>>59063452>paedophile proving she only hangs around kiddyfiddler discords
>>59064356>ignore the poll that has multiple millions of votes>instead look at this one with barely 700 votes for the most popular
>>59064520That's because it was made by two women for Japanese women. It's "so popular" as it's a fujo magnet, the way Primarina was a furry magnet.
>>59064665>>59063499
>>59064665you could vote multiple times for the same pokemon in this poll, it’s suspect at best
milfchads wonlolitroons lost
>>59064665You know where you are, yes?
>>59064324Because unlike most IRL heels, Incineroar was also made to be an eternal winner, rather than someone who will eventually fall to the heroic persona.They literally can't do better than Incineroar without making Incineroar 2.0. It's THAT quintessential a VGC mon.
>>59064716They probably could’ve done it if they gave it Rivalry instead of the best doubles ability in the game, lmao
>>59064702>what is Gardevoir?But sure, pretend they weren't deliberately not shilling Delphox, when they were shilling the frog HEAVENS hard during Gen 6. And the whole point of showing Serena with Braixen was to show how fucking incompetent she was as a trainer, given her rival had no such issues and it took Serena a further 6 years to evolve it AND start fucking winning contests. That's why she returned as a bit-part character, while the end of Ash's story set up his reunification with his first kiss
>>59064665>>59064712now show me the fanart counts
>>59064733Considering Pokken went out of its way to feature the most popular Pokemon from each region on the roster, there is no pretending.
>>59064733>6 yearsNope, you already failed the assignment. In-universe, it's been less than a year since Ash and Serena parted ways, so it's purely a matter that Braixen was more marketable to use while Serena was a mainstay, and once she left and would be reduced to returning throwback character, they had no problem evolving Braixen into Delphox because Braixen was no longer being actively shilled and didn't cement itself as an ubershill like Piplup.
>>59063826>complete Delphox line in the top 20Nice.
>>59064707Oh absolutely. But even at that, it still proves more votes arrived for Delphox than for Braixen. And that pisses off the braixtards something fierce, because you know they were spamming this shit same as every other autisitc fucker with an agenda. I won, didn't cast one single vote in it, yet the pokémon I favoured placed well enough even with the superautists given free reign.
>>59064713Yeah, on the furry containment board where the majority opinion is furchads. If this was /b/, I'd rightly know the paedos are in majority, but we're not and generic paedos don't come here as they think they'll catch furry aids. You want to be in majority company, fuck off to /b/ or your usual kiddyfiddler discord. You come here though, you're in the extreme minority and we all wish you a very painful slow death (preferably by being fed feet first into an industrial grinder).
>>59064766>If this was /b/, I'd rightly know the paedos are in majoritySweet denial. Keep the tryhard death fantasies to yourself.
>>59064743Decidueye got in lad, that disproves your statement utterly. Aside from the shillmon, the rest that got added was all shit normalfags wouldn't go near. That's why it failed THREE times - In arcades, on WiiU and on Switch, even when it launched BEFORE any actually popular fighting game to compete in the genre.
>>59064784Decidueye is the most popular fully evolved starter. >>59063826
>>59063826>Ashmons on TOPAnd people say we don't need him
>>59064781Anon, that is a historic metric, that only BARELY changed from "total outright furfags" to "10% true normie, 15% paedo scumbag".
>>59064781Do please continue to fail to handle reality as you see fit though. Just remember, this isn't your safespace and never was. :^)
>>59064809>>59064814>Please notice my random polls Anyway don’t forget to bump your loli thread for the day
>>59064795Popular shit doesn't get the re-tool brush Anon. they didn't *need* to regionalise a Charizard, a Pikachu, Lucario, a Cinderace etc to make them earn money. But they gave a decidedly unpopular pokémon a new coat of paint, barely 6 years after its series introduction to boot along with the worst received (at the end of the 2010's) fire and water starters. Along with a pile of shit, a whack-a-mole rip-off and the unloved ugly shitmon evolution of the mascot.
>>59064795If decidueeye is so popular why did it get Regionally replaced with all the other flopmons no one cares about
>>59064821Not my bag, make a Cogita thread, I'll be all up in that bitch. But I doubt you even have a woman of 25+ saved on your shit, much less a GILF like her.
>>59064795Alola barely had any mons to pick and choose from just like Kalos, Decidueye only got as high as it did because it was riding the coattails of Rowlet, who became a Piplup-tier shillmon. It's the same reason Empoleon got into Pokken, they're both there to represent their base stages because the base stages aren't practical for a fighter like Pokken.
>>59064833>Most basic bitch to save faceBest you got? Kinda sad
>>59064823Ah, who can forget the famously unpopular Pokemon, Meowth. Surely it hasn't showed up in almost every episode of the anime and hasn't been part of a beloved group of characters in said anime. That's definitely why it got two regional forms, because it was unpopular.
>>59064823Not every regional is for a failed mon. Slowpoke is universally beloved and especially shilled in Japan, yet it got a Galarian form.
I can’t believe Arcanine & Vulpix were unpopular this whole time
>>59064847And Wooper.
>>59064842>>59064840>KANTOOOOOOOOOOKANTOOOO are inherent outliers mov even the least respected Kanto Pokémon is lightyears more valued than the majority of everything else except tv hardcore shillmons likes Lucario and Gardevoir. No Pokémon outside of KANTOOOOOOOO that regional replacement matters
>>59064850>west Kanto shitter blob with :) face is unpopular Pretty obvious it was a flop
>>59064857>B-BUH-BUH-BUH IS DIFFERENT WHEN KANTO--Wooper is beloved worldwide for its adorably simple design, but apparently not beloved enough because it got a regional.Sneasel has always been a fan favorite, but apparently not favorite enough because it got a regional.Lilligant's been a Grass Darling since its debut, but apparently it wasn't cherished enough because it got a regional.Darmanitan's been an easy Fire Fave, but apparently not favorite enough because it got a regional.
>Most of the thread isn’t even acknowledging TorracatLmao
>>59064865If they were really loved they would have gotten megas
>>59064895>MegasYou mean a gimmick that isn't always guaranteed to be present outside of the hyper-competitive PVP whorehouse, with designs that are usually either dogshit or a deliberate humiliation ritual? And that they also permacuck a Pokemon out of getting a proper evolution later down the line unless it's an evolution for a regional replacement, which especially stings for Pokemon who still had evolutionary potential otherwise?
>>59064840>showed up in every episode>as an antagonist to Pikachu, the mascot and most-popular pokémon ever>"nooooooooo, see it gots am tv times, it can't have been bade"And if it had been a sidekick to Ash and Pikachu, instead of trying to steal Pikachu nearly every episode, maybe they wouldn't have felt the need to repaint it. But they repainted it - TWICE (because the first time everyone hated Nermal the Persian). Funnily enough, the 2nd time they repainted it, they flat out made a new evo for it and made it actually good.
>>59064895Tell that to Feraligatr lmaoinb4 that rambling autist appears to pretend Totodile is equivalent to Rowlet
Getting a Mega Evo lost all relevancy after ZA
>>59065017So what devoid shitmon were you expecting to get a mega that didn't and likely didn't even get included in the available pokémon?
>>59065017true
>>59064383Thats why I never take seriously when retards on here call them failed shillmons, there's a reason Game Freak still chooses to promote them after their Gen is over
>>59063244Torracat ugly af. Top 5 worst middle stage for starters.
>>59064665>less than 100 votes behind>the only mid-stage starter where this happensthat image isn't proving what you think it is.
>>59065524Yeah it does, the 5 braixtards sockpuppeting the poll lost out to the 10 Delphoxchads doing similar. Either way, with the combined weaponised autism only the degenerates into kids AND creatures can generate, they still failed to prove its popularity compared to its older evo form.
>>59065539braixen looks nothing like a loli you moron
>>59063244because puriteens' opinions dont matter, theyre a minority and so are the people who actually cared about torracat
>>59064679How hard did you miss my point anon. I just posted a known western poll which aligned with the google poll in the aspect that was mentioned. I didn't call for ignoring any poll.
>>59063909>Incin really was a good choice for SmashYes, it's really fun to use, it's very expressive and can do some hype disrespect. They played the heel part perfectly in smash.
>>59063244incin isn't popular, he's a failed shillmon industry plant thingy, only vgs niggers "like" it because they have too
Incineroar is forced to be good in its competitiveness. Doesn't really mean he is more popular than torrocat. Kitty shouldn't stand up!
>>59064795And hes getting new cards in latest tcg release perfect order and also feature in upcoming chinese merchandise. But nvm, this isn't an owl thread
>>59065506Daddddddyyyy
>>59065800No, but noone cares about torracat, which does mean that Incineroar is more popular
GF legitimately thought Incineroar was going to be the next Charizard because it looks strong, manly, is a Fire type and is even associated with wrestling. Generally speaking these are all elements young boys should like. However its proportions are just so awkward that not even the target demographic ever got to appreciate it.
>>59065808They also chose it to be in Pokopia over the other Gen 7 starters along with the other popular starters of their trio
Smash Bros.
>>59063411It takes a special kind of garbage to flop in popularity after being put into fucking Smash Bros
>>59063244Genuinely if Incineroar wasn’t good in Veegeecee it would be down there with Emboar and Quaquaval as the most disliked starter of all time. Looney Tunes ahh design.
>>59066247I can see why they push the owl more now
>>59066341Yes, TPC is a spiteful company.
>VGCAverage fan doesn’t even know VGC exists. Their opinion on the baracat isn’t being dictated by this lol
