If Mario is from Brooklyn, why does he speak in an Italian accent and not in an American-Italian accent?
>>10910763he's from the mushroom kingdom
It's Jew-York, that's why.
>>10910763maybe he was a first-generation immigrant
he fakes the accent.
>>10910763you've watched the super mario super show haven't you?
does japanese mario speak japanese with an italian accent
>>10911007Anon, accents only exist in english.
>italian Mario speaks italian with an Italian-American accent
>>10911012English has no accents
>>10910763He talks that way in all of the western media (DiC cartoons, CD-i game, etc.) but none of the Japanese games. My thought is that they retconned this shortly after the SNES games.>>10910776The original Mario Bros. game (not Super) actually does take place in New York
>>10911475donkey kong does too
>>10910763the brooklyn thing was invented by a western TV show (and then referenced in the western animated movie). Now that I think about it I don't remember if they ever even acknowledged him as italian in official sources
>>10911805wait nevermind I'm retarded I just remembered they based him on a foreign janitor>>10911475this guy is right. I think it probably got subtely retconned since Super Mario Bros though because they haven't acknowleged real world locations since then and he canonically was born in the mushroom kingdom and carried by yoshis
>>10911475that got retconned dumb dumb
>>10911475>The original Mario Bros. game (not Super) actually does take place in New Yorkdo you have any evidence to prove this?
>>10912132just look at it anon
>>10912132>>10912132https://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2010/11/qa-mario-creator-shigeru-miyamoto/1https://web.archive.org/web/20091022053804/https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4334387.htmlSurprisingly it's not in the actual manual for the NES version but Miyamoto explains it himself
They should really retcon the name to be Normal Mario Bros. to avoid confusion.
>>10910763He didn't get the bing bing wahoo accent until mario 64, prior to that captain lou albano voiced him
for me, it's mario's brother's mansion
They should have never made him a plastic Italian anyway (plastic being Italian-American)
>>10911805>>10912030>>10912132Is it not stated in one of the Mario and Luigi games they are literally from Brooklyn? I feel like I remember a reference to that in Paper Mario too, but I'm much less confident about that one.
>>10912564Yeah it's Mario and Luigi Partners in timealso, pic related is from the sources on the mario wiki page for Brooklyn.Brooklyn deniers BTFO'd
>>10912589why are japanese appropriating american culture for their own entertainment?
>>10912620it's only appropriation if they take and never give back. They definitely gave back with Mario. Mario became a cultural phenomena, getting his own cartoons in the west.
>>10912628but he's not even voiced by an actual italian
>>10912638doesn't matter, still imprinted on western culture, and Mario doesn't enforce any negative stereotypes, any perceived slight against Italians is tenuous at best.
>>10912652>Mario doesn't enforce any negative stereotypes>fat>violent>prone to arson>eats spaghetti
Mario Bros. is NOT referring to Mario and Luigi, even though they are in fact brothers. It's referring to the other Marios in Mario's family.>"Jumpman" Mario - the one featured in Donkey Kong and DK Jr. - the most dickish of the Marios, as indicated by his behavior in Jr; never goes to Mushroom Kingdom>"Brooklyn" Mario - first appeared in the arcade Mario Bros game, never goes to the Mushroom Kingdom in the games; a bit surly, but still mostly good natured; while ultimately non-canon to the videogames, this is the version which journeyed to the Mushroom Kingdom in the Dic cartoons, where a pre-MB version is depicted by Captain Lou>"Super" Mario - this is the main Mario, the jolly Bing Bing Wahoo man, who has been the star of all the mainline Mario games since SMB "Illumination" Mario is non-canon, but combines aspects of Brooklyn and Super. "Jumpman" Mario has yet to make a return in official media.
>>10912708Cope and seethe, chud. Mario is a New Yorker
>>10912708Mario and Green Mario, "Luigi" is a retcon
>>10912138oh shit he's right
>>10912729then explain this
>>10911475>>10912138so we're just going to overlook the fact that mario and luigi literally tried to kill each other
>>10912757>tried
https://shmuplations.com/mario64/This is "it was never called PSX" all over again. Though it's never mentioned in the official games themselves to my knowledge, I'll concede that.
>>10912660Italians confirmed as Black
Nig is fresh off the boat. We wuz plumz n shieet
>>10912919if it's not in the game then it never happened bro
>>10912660Mario has never canonically been shown to consume spaghetti.
>>10913714he dreams about spaghetti and ravioli but canonically he's a pizza bro
>>10913723not retro but more mario pizza lore
>>10910763arrived later and is first generation probably
>>10912708Headcanon is the worst canon
>>10913714Yeah, he has it on his shirt for absolutely no reason.
PASTA POWER
>>10914114Great line. Stealing it.
>>10912589Pretty sure they retconned it to New Donk City after Odyssey.
>>10910763If you're old enough to be here why do you post like a toddler and not like an adult?
>>10911012are you retarded?
>>10914684When is it stated that's where Mario is from? I don't recall anything like that in Odyssey.
Why does it annoy people that a parody of King Kong takes place in New York?
>>10915568because tokyo #1 waito piggu go hooooomu
>>10911012>>10911390smartest board on 4chinz
>>10914114>headcanonCall it what you want, but it's nothing but truth.
>>10915556The current implication is that Mario and Luigi were born in the Mushroom Kingdom but moved to New Donk City for a time and worked various odd jobs (Wrecking Crew, DK and DK Jr., and Mario Bros.). All they really did was drop the real-world connection. The Odyssey artbook revealed that a scrapped idea for NDC was being able to visit Mario's original plumbing shop.
>>10915921king kong in tokyo?! mama mia!
>>10910763Charles Martinet saw a performance on Broadway where an italian character spoke in a high falsetto. He thought it was interesting so he tried it for the audition.
>>10915940non-english languages have very strict rules on pronunciation, you can't speak them with an accent because it'd literally be unintelligible, only english is vague enough to tolerate it
>>10912660>eating spaghetti>negative stereotypeIf you don't eat spaghetti you don't exist.
>>10915940/vr/ is now mostly /v/ rejects just like /vrpg/. And /vr/ keeps declining.
>>10910763Like most second generation immigrants his entire personality and lifestyle revolves around a country he's never been to
>>10916001>The current implicationIn The Super Mario Bros. Movie, they are from Brooklyn
>>10916191As somebody who doesn't speak English as my first language, this is absolute utter bullshit.
>>10916684That's just in the movie, not the games.
>>10916657I visit both boards and people say this in both but I have yet to see the boards talk about nothing but culture war bullshit and coombrain all day which is what defines /v/ in my eyes
>>10911475>>The original Mario Bros. game (not Super) actually does take place in New YorkNo manual of the original game remotely states this, same with Donkey Kong. This was actually a retroactive retcon by Miyamoto in an interview in the 2010s, LONG after the Brooklyn origin became popularized thanks to localization and the adaptions.Basically the Brooklyn canon didn't become adopted by Nintendo until they needed Mario's voice to emulate it in Super Mario 64, since they wanted Charles Martinet to emulate that sound.This wouldn't be the first time Nintendo & Miyamoto would adopt localization shit into the main canon. However with New Donk City and Nintendo's refusal to reference Brooklyn in any NoJ Mario game it's porbably retconned again.
>>10916001I mean...is that stated tho? either in the game or via word of god? otherwise I think it's just a city, anon. I do get the DK connection but is it ever stated thats like...THE city it took place in?
>>10917737>Basically the Brooklyn canon didn't become adopted by Nintendo until they needed Mario's voice to emulate it in Super Mario 64, since they wanted Charles Martinet to emulate that sound.Mario doesn't do anything even close to a Brooklyn accent though, he does a stereotypical European Italian accent
>>10916689Uh huh, then post a picture of someone speaking japanese with an italian accent. You can't.
>>10917787japanese accents are like naruto or when anime girls end their sentences with "meow"
>>10917787>then post a picture of someone speaking japanese with an italian accentbro what
>>10917787
>>10912138Here's some turtles I saw in Brooklyn a while back, ironically in a neighborhood that used to be Wop central and still has a decent Italian presence despite being yuppie'd and hipster'd starting in the 90s.
>>10917795back when it was still just a funny joke and not a lifestyle choice...
>>10911012 Brazilian here. That's bullshit.
>>10917751Not him, but New Donk City makes it very clear that the original Donkey Kong took place there, with a lot of old Donkey Kong Arcade art littered around:https://twitter.com/mario_odysseyJP/status/910985748341415936>This is graffiti drawn on a building in "New Donk City". Nostalgic for nostalgic people! ? It’s a painting related to the history of the city.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6cZ3vHT9zc"Ladies and gentlemen! Welcome to the New Donk City Festival! A celebration of the history of our city!"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTHsCW3pmOgPauline makes a direct reference to her getting kidnapped by an apeWhile not direct confirmations, it's made clear that New Donk City was inspired by the "Big City" in Donkey Kong 94 (gameboy), the first world https://www.mariowiki.com/Big-Cityhttps://web.archive.org/web/20230921180452/https://www.4gamer.net/games/368/G036836/20171018071/index_2.html>Mr. Koizumi: For New Donk City, we created the visuals with a city theme. ``Come to think of it, we used to have a game that was set in a city. Come to think of it, Mario was also in it.'' ``Right?'' and Pauline's name came up like a word association game.https://web.archive.org/web/20231031055049/https://www.ndw.jp/post-1937/>Motokura: Originally, I had an image of the city and "Donkey Kong." The same goes for Big City in GB's Donkey Kong. Therefore, there is a connection between Donkey Kong and the city.>"The first area, Big City. The tall buildings of the metropolitan cityscape bear a close resemblance to those of New Donk City." - The Art of Super Mario Odyssey, page 361We have no confirmation of the settings of other early titles (Like Wrecking Crew, Mario Bros.) but there's various similar connections that are made
>>10917869donkey kong mario is from an alternate timeline
>>10917787The sounds of the Italian alphabet (and other latin based languages) and japanese kana shitp have some similar sounding sounds. It probably wouldn't be that different.
>>10917885he's from Brooklyn New York and the Mushroom Kingdom is a stand-in for Jersey
>>10919646Smart man, like anything good in New York, it came from Jersey.
>>109177371989 Super Mario Ice Capades, Mario and Luigi rocking that hard Italian accent and Princess Toadstool is Mae West! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZyJVZGqAhQ1994 Mario Game Gallery predates Super Mario 64 by a whole year and was the first to feature Charlie Martinet as Super Mario.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUJzIwRUu0k
>>10917737>This was actually a retroactive retcon by Miyamoto in an interview in the 2010sActually they're from interviews from strategy guides published in 1996.https://shmuplations.com/mario64/
>>10919712I was referring specifically to Mario Bros interview, which was conducted in 2009 and 2010>Basically the Brooklyn canon didn't become adopted by Nintendo until they needed Mario's voice to emulate it in Super Mario 64, since they wanted Charles Martinet to emulate that sound.This was referring to 1996. I probably could have wrote that better
>mario is italian but luigi isn'twhat did nintendo mean by this
>>10920078uh... mario is mexican bro
>>10920175what with Mario refusing to wear shirts
>>10910763Because American-Italians cuss like sailors, and it wouldn't be nearly as endearing or family-friendly for Mario to be racist and/or homophobic
>>10920205His body hair is insulation enough
>>10920643Ey Luigi, did I ever tell ya about that time I whacked three moolies?
>>10915953In your head. Head truth
>>10921467kek
>>10917787Should have said mandarin/cantonese. Pronunciation is integral to the word.I thought it a good idea but realized the task was even more difficult than I thought at first.
>>10911807It was the Nintendo America guys who came up with him, they were working out of an office in the Empire State Building and based him on their landlord, who was a fat Italian American dude. Miyamoto ran with the idea but had no idea what the fuck an Italian American was and thought the accent was unappealing to kids, so they went ahead with Martinet's wacky borderline racist Italian voice because Miyamoto thought it was hilarious.
>>10917787It comes out now and again in this video. It's kind of pleasent to listen to, weirdly enough. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6whVA2J89f8?app=desktop
>>10916191God you're fucking stupid. Even with languages like Vietnamese, which are extremely tonal, people from different regions have different accents - to the point where northerners and southerners can sometimes have a hard time understanding eachother. Also you hear people talking about different accents in Japan in Japanese media all the time.>>10917787When learning a radically different language, people often tend to adopt elements of the accent of the region they are living in or the teacher they have, but their original accent will still come out here and there unless they have become totally fluent.
>>10922251>northerners and southerners can sometimes have a hard time understanding eachotherYou proved his point.
>>10922326Why is everyone on this website retarded? It's really incredible.
>>10910763Mario doesn’t speak in a realistic Italian accent
>>10911805>the brooklyn thing was invented by a western TV showOMG no it fucking wasn’t. Fucking cancerous nigger that keeps spreading this shit.Mario is literally from Brooklyn as per Miyamoto.>—I noticed that Mario speaks with an Italian accent in this game.>Miyamoto: There’s no particularly detailed background or anything, but yeah, it’s a given that Mario is an Italian-American from Brooklyn, New York. That voice was actually done by a professional voice actor. He did Mario’s voice five or six years ago, at a video game event. By the way, Mario talks a lot more in the American version of Mario 64. He says “Okie Dokie!” and more. Peach also speaks. We had more time before the American release, so we improved the game.https://shmuplations.com/mario64/
>>10914684>>10916001>Pretty sure headcanon headcanon>Implication bla bla blaKill yourself idiot
>>10917869New Donk City = New York CityGuess where Brooklyn is located in the real world you stupid faggot.
>>10925112He never says Brooklyn he just says New York the translator just added that.
mario is clearly from little italy manhattan
>>10925445No he's from South Brooklyn you fuck. Carroll Gardens, right next to the Gowanus Expressway/Red Hook.
>>10925458nuh uh nuh uh he's from mexico
>>10925465they even jump the boarder
>>10925465>nuh uh nuh uh he's from mexicoCan't ever recall seeing him drink and drive and/or molest his niece.
>>10926932Are we doing that thing where we pretend non retro games don't exist or have you just not played a new mario game in a long time.
>>10927785I'm drunk right now and yes In my mind it isig still 1991 and i haven't been born yet
>>10927971Thank you for your service.
>>10926932>he doesn't remember the incident
what if Mario was just some dude from like LA or something wouldn't that be crazy haha
>>10921523No. Point out one thing I said that's wrong.
is mario italian or is italy marioian
>>10910787>>10910763I always thought Maryo was an illegal ayylien name anyway. Mario need to go back.
>>10928793He's definitely an uninvited immigrant in the mushroom kingdom. I wonder if he saves the princess so they don't deport him, and his brother back to their shit hole city where they unclog shit for shitty customers.
>>10925119The Netherlands
>>10910763He actually did in mario is missing. But the audio only works in the mac version because the cd-rom deluxe is bugged but it's in the game.https://youtu.be/ntvLTrb3Szk?si=2Q9Wq6WMloahaNXp
Go! Marigi! Go out and jump to the extreme!I will! Thank you, Father!
>>10931131Jesus, what a piece of shit
>>10931131if bowser captured mario why wouldn't he at least cripple his legs so he could never jump again?
>>10931157Going to go out on a limb here and say because it's a game for toddlers...?
It is I, Mario!
>>10931157Italians can only be wacked by their own kind. This is why mobs don't allow non italian's into the family. They'd be useless against rival italian made-men. This is why mario can "die" to a koopa troopa and always come back.
>>10931157Villains in fiction almost never consider the possibility of permanently crippling their archnemesis once captured. It's always, "haha, I will execute you but not before leaving you in a poorly guarded prison cell for a plot relevant amount of time!"
>>10910763>If Mario is from BrooklynJAJAJAJAJA, no.
>>10931387Mario and Luigi's mexican brother they don't talk about, Pedro
>>10910763That's definitely not italian accent
>>10925101what's a realistic accent then?
>>10921563And the generic foreign accent in Chinese is being completely unable to handle tones, yep. But foreigners can still get their point across if they try. It's just like dealing with someone with a thick accent in English.
>>10933532accents don't real, it's just hearing bias
>>10921563>Should have said mandarin/cantonese. Pronunciation is integral to the word.These are great examples of why dunning kruger EOPs should lurk moar. In China nearly everyone can speak Mandarin, and they all speak it with an accent. Some of these accents are well known and easily distinguishable.
>>10931318Ya right if that were true they wouldn't be using mxcn cartels to replace their culture right now in America
>>10936051anon we already established mario is mexican we don't need to retread this topic
>>10936052*brazilian
>>10928507...What?
>>10917869New Donk[ey Kong] City.
>>10925119New Donk City isn't a real location silly.
>>10928953ayyy lmao hue hue hue
Mario is Japanese the movie is not canon
>>10940303You can't prove that.
