https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMXztVGonc
haha
>>12416524Holy shit. I figured this was going to come out on March 29th since that's the game's 25th anniversary. I guess they decided to release it a month early. I guess I know what I'll being doing this weekend.
inb4 people discover the script was butchered and censored to hell and back
kino is back on the menu
For the people who have beaten the game, how long is it? I don't wanna play if it's some 50 hour slog
>>12416550I haven't played it, but the readme included with the patch says it's about 15 hours.
>>12416550Indeed, that's time that could be spent making "could this have saved the saturn" threads and scrolling tiktok and twitter
Great. Now you can all see how this sucks in all of its translated glory.>>12416550It's pretty short. If you read all the intermission stuff (like talking to Alex Kidd), it's a little over 20 hours.
>>12416524
>>12416561lmao of course
>>12416561uh oh segabros... how shall we handle this?
>>12416561>we machine translated it and then gave that to a bunch of translatorsshouldn't even be surprised, anything but doing your fucking job properly>>12416569the waiting game for a "purist" to pick up the slack, if ever, as it goes
>>12416561Shit. I think AI will eventually replace fan translators (thank God) but it's not there yet. Edited machine translation doesn't really inspire much confidence, and I doubt anyone will pick it up to translate it properly. Back to waiting, I guess...
People have been such whiners about translations in the 2020's. It wasn't like this back in the day and the quality was significantly lower.
>>12416561lol
>>12416590They made the script edgier not trans friendly back then
>>12416590They're contrarians who have never created anything and probably don't even play video games.
>>12416561If the ai-translated hentai games I've played are any indication, this is basically saying the "translation"'s hot garbage.
>>12416597We all know that's what translators and localizers are, it's the reason why we're complaining in the first place
>>12416524Happy for the anons who wanted this, but I need more reasons to learn Japanese so I'll pass.
>>12416582im tired of waiting nigga ill take what i can get
>>12416524it's AI slop
>>12416628Translations are the only sector where AI is preferable to real human craft. Slop won't censor scripts or fill them with american memes and puns, real translators always will, it's like they can't help themselves.
>>12416587Maybe when we're dead yeah.If you wanna replace translators, learn japanese. I'm literally gonna get back to my studies soon... it's really not that bad, learning another language...
>>12416561it's probably no worse than your average trannylation. at least an AI will be more objective than some >just translated 奴ら as incels teeheefaggot.
>>12416638I would want translations to be good even if I was fluent in japanese.
>>12416638lol no, it's already 90% there. problem is some languages like nip rely too much on context and that fucks up current AI models. in 10 years or even less it should be good to go
>>12416639AIs are literally programmed by the same politically-correct people that made trannies a thing in the first place
>>12416651that's such an idiotic statement i'm not even going to respond to it
>>12416524>emerald dragon pce translation>phantasia x translation>peret em heru translation>ys v ps2 translation>segagaga translationWorld is falling apart but it's been a kino year for translations
>>12416637it's slop
>>12416561Honestly I don't see a problem with this as long as it was human reviewed
>>12416650> it's already 90% therePlease don't be so disingenuous. Ai bros keep saying this, "it's already 90% there". Please stop talking.
>>12416657So are the translations you consume. The only difference is that your slop is not only low quality, but dishonest too.
>>12416658>the human review in question
>>12416671Cue Spike having a meltie defending this shit and shutting down CDRomance (again)
>>12416654can't argue against facts
>>12416671>Bluesky screenshotHow many times do we have to drill it into your head that that's not welcome here?
>>12416683Nta but you clearly have no idea how AI works.
>>12416662it's slop
>>12416561>we MTL'd it but don't worry we had a "translator" spend months reviewing itThis is the definition of cope. Any sane person not under strict company deadlines would just play the fucking game then make their own translation, not spend months cleaning up DeepL's bullshit.
>>12416696Make me stop, bitch.
>>12416713knowing what kind of people are making it and bankrolling it in particular is enough. couldnt care less about the inner workings of fake intelligence
>>12416718And what's this?
>>12416696I can't even tell what the site is from the screenshot. You clearly spend a lot of time there.
This is just gonna be the rest of the thread now.>oh no, the translation's crap>uh actually it's good>no it's fucking not>ummm but what about OTHER translation? /smuguseless bloated garbage defenders.
>>12416731People have memoryholed just how fucking bad translations used to be. This >>12416671 is really unfortunate but I'll still take it over working designs garbage.
>>12416731SOVL
>>12416736>used to
>>12416752This image means nothing if you don't post the Japanese.
>>12416753I could fill the thread with these but let's focus on retro.
>>12416757If what's directly under the Japanese is meant to be an "accurate" translation then it's completely off kek. I don't know how it interprets おっぱじめる as "giving up" but that's completely wrong. I don't know the context of this image but from this single image I assume she thinks someone is about to either start fighting or fucking.
Can you please keep your shitty translation culture war grifting in /v/. You've made like 20 threads like this already
>>12416786Okay, but only because you said please
>cries about AI usage>doesn't seek to fix anything>only cares enough to complainIf you hate it so much, use the provided translation tools and fix it. Refusing this simple solution proves your input never mattered and never will.
So it's basically someone taking the game's transcript, shoving it into DeepL and then you get some random fanfiction birthed from all that text which may or may not have missed lots of contextual details. Then some literal who randoms reviewed the text, added a possible second layer of fanfic and now we're right back to square one. If the whole point is authenticity to the original text, why are we doing this "trust me bro" tier shit?
>>12416524Wait whatWHAT
retards
>>12416867I will never take someone with a poser shmup PFP seriously
>>12416870That "poser" is someone who is actually credited as having worked on the hack, so I trust their word on it's creation more than the brainlets in this thread.
>>12416874>It is creationShoo shoo, ESL and take your twitter screencaps with you
>>12416867>I don't think that the end product feels "machine-translated," but that's ultimately for you, the player, to judgeYou would not say this if the translation everyone is playing is not the "playtester build" translation (that they spent a long time editing)
>>12416879
>>12416884That's a weird statement
AI is good :-)
ITT: We complain about a translation we haven't read for a game we haven't played based on screenshots from Bluesky.
>>12416898Anything AI-related makes /vr/ instantly turn into BlueSky, it's funny. I guess it comes with the territory, old good new bad and all that...
>>12416731Could have literally called the town Shiroyuki, I bet it was a katakana english name, what a salty trannylator
>>12416903AI being partly responsible for the rise of storage and RAM prices sucks ass. AI being shoehorned into everything unwarranted sucks ass. However the people who have seizures just because someone made an AI image of Mario smoking crack or because some program they were never going to use had AI code added to it are no different than people in the 70s and 80s who hated computers or people in the 90s and 00s who hated the internet.
>>12416867Oh OK, it's a nothing burger that Redditors are spreading fucking lies everywhere
Samefagging is unseemly
>>12416524ITS FUCKING AI YOU STUPID FUCKING NIGGER.
>>12416943>>12416867
>>12416561AI is great.
>>12416963AI is not great.
>>12416963well it's better than fan """translators""" at least
>>12416867That idiot's wrong. There is a lot of shit that's very clearly MTL still in the game. They did an MTL script, had a bunch of people who don't speak the language look over it to make sure references were correct (and missed a shitload of them) and then passed that off as a translation.
>>12416997>This is MTL because I say so without justification. I don't see the irony in saying this.
this is as bad as the zill o'll infinite transgen translation
On the one hand, hysterical fags are psychotic about machine translation when it's almost always perfectly fine and better than the alternative (no translation, ever).On the other hand, Segagaga is exactly the kind of game where MTL can fall apart.
This is literally common practice in the industry. Even before it was "AI" machine translating a script just to have as a placeholder early on before the real translation and localization is done is pretty common. Sounds like they did have actual translators come in and do whatever is in the final version of this hack so genuinely who cares? These are like the people who were crying when Square Enix said they were going to use AI during the QA testing phases of their games. Using AI for select parts of simply testing a game doesn't affect the "soul" of it whatsoever.
>>12417046Like I said here >>12416914 people will hear AI is bad but won't actually look into why exactly so whenever they see or hear something has or used AI (for whatever reason) they lose their shit. Although in this case, I think it's being read as they had DeepL translate the game, then had human proofreaders fix any mistakes. Which that is kinda gay if true.
>inb4 its another jap only 'holy grail' that finally gets translated and it turns out to be totally mediocore at bestdaily reminder that games dont leave japan for a reason
>>12417056>Although in this case, I think it's being read as they had DeepL translate the game, then had human proofreaders fix any mistakes.Yeah, I think they just worded what they meant poorly. There were a lot of big name fan translators(big for the Sega community at least)involved with this project. I have no reason to doubt them as their previous projects were high quality and Segagaga seemed like an especially all hands on deck effort.
I still don't get if they>used AI/machine translation tools to translate the game from Japanese to English, then had humans edit the resulting text for readability, correct errors etcor>used machine translation tools to translate the game from Japanese to English during hacking, to make sure text showed up properly etc, then had human translators translate the game proper and completely replaced the machine translation with the human-made one If it was the latter, I don't see why they'd even disclose they used AI in the process, since nothing remains in the final patch... unless it was done out of some "moral obligation" to inform people that AI was used even a tiny bit, you know how rabid these bluesky users get about any and all usage of AI (if this is what happened, the people behind the patch just caused a mess for nothing)But then this statement >>12416561 makes me think it was the former, but this one >>12416867 seems to contradict it...
>>12417114With how much controversy this is drumming up, I'm hoping Exxistance will release a statement clearing things up. I guess I'll hold off from playing this in the meantime.
Oh. He already did. Welp. I hope this game gets the Night Slave treatment where people go back and do it properly.
>>12416559sonic xtreme 2 with no gay clown and dvd capability and firing bernie stolar and xbox backwards compatibility and gta san andreas couldve saved the sega system
I'm gonna FREAK
>>12417148...The WHAT system?
>>12417127What's the problem? He's directly saying "nothing of the original playtesting translation remains".
>>12417148OH NO NO NO SCHIZO BROS???
>>12416561this is literally how every fan translation has worked for decades
>>12417148No........
>>12416561The important part is it's translated and the tools are shared. I don't care that they used AI, because they did the hardest part already. Now any jackoff can make his own fan translation. The only risk is "oh, the game is already translated, I won't bother" when the only translation is a subpar AI one. But honestly, AI is getting pretty good at translating now. Might be better than many of the fan translations we used to get.
>>12417195Plus, reading >>12417127, it seems fine.
>>12416757>Huh? Are you (all) seriously doing this?! When you enter high school, does this sort of thing just become the norm?!I'm with >>12416774, I don't know the context but the "accurate" translation is completely fucking wrong. The text in the localization is definitely embellished but is assumedly more or less accurate in terms of what's going on.
Played the game for a few hours. It's cute. It's very very evident it was made on the budget of a ham sandwich, but telling your new employees everything they want to hear while you negotiate their salary as low as possible is kind of hilarious.>Yeah, you're great, yeah, you're awesome, how about a pay cut? No no, you're great, you're awesome, how about even lower?
do illiterates not realise they'd never know the difference when they're misunderstanding the words they're reading anyways? babbling over nothing
>>12417127When it comes to using AI this dude literally did everything right, even made the tools available, and he still is getting crucified for his free work. I'm really worried shit like this is gonna discourage future translations.
>>12417401Personally, I'm pretty unfazed by social media culture war bullshit, but I'm sure it can get to a lot of people. Be sure to give thanks to the hackers and translators who work on these projects, if for no other reason than to counterbalance all the negativity.
>>12417127This is leagues better than the original Night Slave patch. That was made by a talentless hack for no other reason than to grift Patreon money. This is an actual passion project that, if you actually play the game instead of looking at hot takes off Twitter, would see is competently made. People are blowing this situation way out of proportion. I guarantee no one (other than the usual contrarians on this board) would have said anything if they didn't include the AI Notice in their readme.
>3 similar sounding glaze posts
>>12417426>please write badder so I can read gooderit u
>>12417436>Ad-hominem response
>>12417439
>>12417426These two: >>12417410 and >>12417424are me replying to separate posts as I go through the thread. I am not >>12417401, though I agree with what they're saying. I'm outspoken about my liking of this game and patch. Since you seem to disagree with me, I must ask: did you even play the game?
proof if you want it.
>>12417456I just saw 3 similar posts. I have no opinion on the game or your take if it's genuine.
>>12417467You did have an opinion, you claimed they were glazing and astroturfing. Embarassing posts.
>>12416731literally nothing wrong with this except for the gay meta commentary
>>12417535Forgiving the basic name, it's not good writing to have redundant words. Calling a town a world isn't great writing either.
>>12416721That would take more work, not less.
>>12417552yeah Im playing games made for children not reading fucking shakespeare so I dont give a shit.
>>12416561machine translations have existed for years yet this one is causing a troon meltdown, why?
>>12417559Well then there's nothing wrong with the gay meta humor either. "Welcome to Silveria, enjoy your stay in our snow-blanketed town" would be an improvement, you can get more creative with the name but you get the idea. Competency doesn't require Shakespearean verbosity.
>>12417338And I'll never know how cricket's really played, doesn't mean I shouldn't get pissed when people fuck it up and try to pass it off to me as the real thing
>>12416561This is why you learn Japanese, to avoid retarded fan “translations” who think feeding a script into ChatGPT counts as work
This shit reminds me of the Bulk Slash translation “controversy”. I look forward to the autistic retards moving on to being mad about something else so we can actually talk about the game.
>>12417750Sorry but if you’re playing this game in English you didn’t actually play it
>>12417747As if anyone else can translate better than GPT. Fan translators suck ass at Japanese and make more mistakes without it than with it.
>>12416561Played about 20 minutes of the game, it definitely reads like machine translation to me, for whatever that is worth.Game is also just a bit shit, honestly, the humor either isn't carrying over or was never funny, I have no idea.
>>12416561Am I supposed to get mad at this? This is a very fair notice if you actually take the time to read the paragraphs instead of being a headline-reading retard.
I'd have just used ChatGPT and gone "If you want to make a better translation, go ahead. Tools are right here."
God I don’t care. If the translation is good then I’ll play it. I can’t fucking engage in this stupid culture war horseshit.
>>12417837The notice neither excuses the usage of AI nor the crappy quality of the finished product. If anything, the quality should be stellar since AI/MTL is supposed to speed along the process of producing translations, yet we don't see any such quality output when people depend on these tools.
>>12416561Meh, I don't really care
>>12417848How many butt plugs do you own?
>>12417064dunno m8 bulk slash on the saturn was pretty gud albeit short
>>12417750>that meltdown on cdromance when people asked for a english script with the original jap dub
>>12417565Apparently it's not a machine translation though... or is it? I'm confused
>>12417831>Game is also just a bit shitThat's pretty much the general reaction to this game when people actually sit down and try to play it. The only good part is the ending where it just becomes Thunder Force.
>>12417264I'm not evaluating the random twitter user's translation though, that's not part of the game.
>plebbit screenshots of non-/vr/ gamesWe all know localizations are mostly fanfiction, you can stop posting off-topic stuff now.
>>12416963AI is kinda great.
>>12416963AI can be great but nobody uses it right
>>12417623case in point, how are you going to know it's wrong if you don't know what's right? moron
AI fan translations- they're great!Very natural English word speaking!If you disagree... that's a shame...But I suppose... it can't be helped...
>>12417997qrd?
>>12417565I saw a couple of bluesky fags in the comments on the site, one of them made a brand new account to defend bluesky. Absolutely insufferable faggots invading the site.
English fan-TLs... they're fucking great!They sound so natural, it's like the game was written by 2020s American liberals!If you disagree, you're a CHUD! Fuck off, nazi scum.#BLM #TransKidsMatter #AOC2028
>>12418079This is the main issue. AI translations can be amazing if you're very specific about what you want. They have zero issue with the actual translation part, since they're built to be language models that can say the same thing in multiple languages naturally. The issue usually comes from one of two places:>The user isn't clear about what they want the output to sound like or how literal the translation should be, so the AI just has to guess.>The AI is just translating and doesn't know it's supposed to be keeping an eye out for cultural references (or the reference is obtuse enough that it can't get it on the first go)For something as reference-heavy as Segagaga, I'd do a special AI sweep of the Japanese dialog JUST to look for cultural references, since the game is so damn reference-heavy nobody outside of a 45 year old Japanese hardcore Sega otaku would be able to identify them all.Although I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Japanese resource somewhere that documents most of them. I found one from 2001 for Comic Party back when I was running that through an AI translator, which helped immensely.
>>12416637You're actually right, but this hurts the ego of those so-called "translators". If you study a little bit of translation studies, you'll notice that most of these fan translations are attempts at adaptation (and they usually suck, but that's a topic for another day). It doesn't matter how good the translator might be, the nuances of the original language will mostly be lost, unless there's a ton of translator notes, which are hard to use on games. A region's accent is simply impossible to translate even if you try to use an accent in the target language. So I think that the approach they used with SGGG might be pretty good (I'll start playing it soon), because you have the objective translation of LLM's with humans checking for whatever needed correction because of the context.I really think all these people parroting "ai slop" never really tried to use a LLM or don't know how to use them properly.
>>12416637>Slop won't censor scriptsIt can and will.
>>12418228Retard
>>12418174If a game is filled to the brim with references, you pretty much need a human to recognize and adapt them. That's the issue with using MTL for a game like this, you wind up with a lot of editors who don't know any better giving the OK so long as it looks like acceptable English even though all the jokes and spice were ironed out in the process. This thread has some examples of basic things that were overlooked.I don't disagree that edited MTL can be good enough in the right context with some oversight so long as the target game isn't too culturally loaded, and I also agree that trying to translate dialects doesn't tend to end well. But acting as though all translations are bad simply because you can't perfectly adapt every single aspect of Japanese content 1:1 or because a fag might potentially exist somewhere on the team is lunacy.
>>12418230Yes, yes (you) are.
>>12418258>This thread has some examples of basic things that were overlooked.No it doesn't. Not one person has actually pointed out a missed reference in this thread.
>>12418276There is exactly one instance of a missed reference in this thread. >>12416671Mistakes happen. It's not the end of the world. I've been liking the patch so far, but I'm not going to pretend it's perfect.
>>12418276See >>12416671>That doesn't count because it was a screencap!
>>12418283>>12418285It counts, but it's weak. And the harisen one is just laughable. Perhaps "slapping fan" would've fit that tranny's tastes better.
>>12416524>>12416527Is there any context to the actual game, Im just seeing japcrap flying around on the screen.>ai was usedGood.
>>12418258>you pretty much need a human to recognize and adapt themYou also need a human who CAN recognize and adapt them. Even in fan translation, it's pretty common for references to fly over the translators' heads. Hell, I own an official English DVD of Hayate the Combat Butler that mistook a reference to Lancelot from Code Geass as a reference to Lancelot from Gundam and had no idea what "Comipa" was a reference to.Whether they're able to understand pop culture references is an entirely different matter from whether they can translate.
>>12418304Not really. It's a super low budget game that's even been considered a 'baka game' by the Japanese. From the game catalog wiki (translated with AI):>In short, it's a very strong game.>The gameplay, which combines RPG and game development SLG, is quite interesting, and the main story is packed with surprising twists and exciting moments.>However, if you don't have some knowledge of the situation at the time of the Dreamcast's release, or of Sega, or of otaku and subculture, it might come across as a meaningless, crappy game. The sheer number of parodies will likely be a matter of personal taste.>For this reason, it's hard to recommend it lightly, but it can be said that it's a game that will leave a lasting impression on those who play it.
>>12416671That's not even an AI issue, since AI recognizes the reference. It's just nobody took the time to actually ask.
>>12416682HE FUCKED THE GIRL OUTTA ME
>comments now lockedknew it ahahahaha what a fag mod team
>>12417857That has nothing to do with this!
>>12418414>retards that can't read complain about the same problem endlesslyJustified.
>>12417553True, you gotta learn Japanese and shit...
>>12416671The translation can be improved with a 1.01 patchThere's no patch that'll make that poster an actual woman though
>>12417848They state they give you the tools to insert your own text, which is a respectable approach.
>>12418440no one will bother to do it tho
>>12418441Addendum patches are pretty damn common actually
>>12418304>>12418340The "Sega Simulation Game" is indeed best suited for fans of RPGs and Sega. The premise of the game is given after entering names for your characters, but have a summary anyways:The company pilot program titled "SEGAGAGA" intends to increase company market share by selecting two project leaders from the local population using their AI supercomputer.You play as the kid who has to diagnose and cure the issues originating from Sega's deeply alienated development department by teaching them the merits of fun gameplay by motivating them with favors, praise, criticism, and punishment. Uncover the rot inside the departments with a dungeon crawling segment filled with otaku cariacatures including actual developers while finding and hiring suitable dev team candidates as cheaply as possible to ensure the stability of the secret project budget.Once you've hired your suitable candidates, you can assign them to your own development teams and manage their mood to ensure the creation of high quality games that ensure good sales and increase the company's market share. Uncover multiple endings, discover secret items, challenge secret encounters. Standard RPG stuff, but through the lens of a gaming company that knew gaming culture was undergoing massive changes as they fought for their core values of harmoniously achieving innovation and imagination throughout the company.
There seems to be a bit more to it. https://bsky.app/profile/sixfortyfive.bsky.social/post/3mfvb67nvds2d>>12418439People could like, actually suggest fixes and improvements instead of virtue signalling about what's morally right or whatever worthless nonsense, but that would require people to actually play the game and give a single fuck about it.
Yeah bro fuck AI, just keep the games unplayableI prefer having my games in an unplayable state where I can't understand the text. At the very least I want to wait for multiple decades until a patch is finished. I don't compromise when it comes to grammar, and I would wait 25 more years if it means I can have a slightly cleaner translationAnd no, it doesn't matter that this use of AI is harmless, it is still evil for a million reasons I'm not gonna get into.
>>12418497I get the point you're making, but learning Japanese is more beneficial than waiting years for a translation.
IDK, this and the /v/ thread kinda soured me on this game. I wanted to play this but the whole thing gives me a bad taste in my mouth.
>>12418497>Yeah bro fuck AI, just keep the games unplayableThis but unironically. Theres so many games out there to play that id rather have new ones translated properly. Theres no need to have them shat out as fast as possible with ai.No I dont give a fuck about the cases where people drag their feet for a decade. The only reason those cases occur is because of the faggoty system of claiming translations people use. It has nothing to do with the method of translating.
>>12418510Fuck the whiners. The game and translation are great. You should check it out.
>>12418513Fuck that convention, people who post translations for free should expect other hobbyists to iterate as they please. The SGGG translators for this release endorse iterations specifically because of how long it has taken to reach a playable translation by now. If you have a huge backlog, go play that. If someone else has an interest in game translations, great. If they want to spew out a million shitty 100% MTL hacks that nobody cares about, you can call them a worthless retard and move on. This isn't that.
>>12418536they specifically endorse iterations because they know that the shit they put out was of an absurdly low quality TL, and it lets them feel personally absolved of any of the guilt or responsibility for doing so, the main dude calling other people sourpusses because they're asking if MTL could be in the final product is just the final nail in the coffin, if you want to consume a dogshit ENG """""localization""""" go for it
>>12418258>But acting as though all translations are bad simply because you can't perfectly adapt every single aspect of Japanese content 1:1 or because a fag might potentially exist somewhere on the team is lunacy.I never said that. Quite the opposite actually. I'm a big defendant of mostly literal translations (take a look at Lawrence Venuti's The Translator's Invisibility: A History of Translation). Briefly, he defends taking the reader to the source culture instead of adapting the source culture to the target culture to make it more accessible to the reader, thus killing the source culture. Talking specifically of SGGG, you don't need american/english references for the translation to work. Whoever plays it, should look for themselves what is it the game is referencing or it could be in a separate notes file if the translators feels it needs explanation. The ones that talk so badly about "ai slop" are the ones complaining that this translation can't work, ignoring completely that there have been humans reviewing it.Besides SGGG, another great example of something that can be translated, but almost impossible to be adapted is Pop Team Epic. All the jokes there require some sort of insight into japanese subcultures that do not (and should not) make sense in english.
>>12416637Why do /v/ kids keep saying this retarded shit when these always get a human editing pass? If anything now more people can pump memes into a script thanks to AI.
>>12418587>because they know that the shit they put out was of an absurdly low quality TLHave you played the game before parroting all this shit? For the roughly 2 hours I played it, I noticed some rough edges, but nothing that can take away the enjoyment of being able to actually play the game.
>>12417747And how is that any different from trusting someone's brain? The way we function is exactly like AI, info gets inputted into your brain, calculated responses gets outputted based off context clues and stored data. The only difference is AI is some big scary new boogieman liberals hate because lame "artists" on twitter are scared it'll steal their job.
>>12418639funny that you ignored the rest of the post you slop consuming retard
>>12418536Nah that's bullshit. And honestly if I actually cared about a game I wouldn't want everyone else's first impression of it to be a shitty ai mtl.The first translation of a game, shitty or not, can paint the discourse surrounding it for a very long time. The reason you don't care about it is because you don't actually a shit about segagaga.
>>12418652Fortunately this isn’t a shitty AI mtl then
>>12418652It's on my ODE with the SYSTEM disc cover. The discourse surrounding this game is likely older than you are, mentally if not physically, so your first impression genuinely doesn't matter to me. I first heard about it on The Dreamcast Junkyard after getting a new old stock Dreamcast from Thinkgeek. How's that for cultural dating?
>>12418749>>12418752Why are you so ashamed of Christmas? :(
>>12418752What a non statement. Who gives a fuck where you got your dreamcast from for christmas. If you give a fuck about segagaga then you'd give a fuck about the state its in when people play it.
>>12418724It is though and no one who isn't at least fluent in japanese would be able to do the game justice.
If you care about translation quality you’re a fag. Enjoy the game in English or go do some gay shit.If it’s not literal fan-fiction there’s nothing to complain about. And no this translation is not that.
>>12418789>If you care about quality you’re a fag
>>12418785It is not, I hold a degree in Japanese and this translation is *fine*. Not perfect but nothing a v1.01 can’t fix. It’s not some shitty MTL they whipped up in a day.
>>12418793It is. I'm a japanese native and my dad is the experienced broadcaster Peter Barakan and I'm telling you that this translation doesn't even scratch the surface of conveying the references and nuance of the original text.
i don't know what's funnierthe game's message or the fact this big>"Yeah, SEGA's gonna do it!"game came out 2 months after they called it quits.what an ending segment though
>>12418510If it makes you feel any better, the actual game isn't all that great.>t.played through it four years ago
>>12418760>>12418774It's more about thinkgeek, that's why I changed it.
>>12418774https://www.thedreamcastjunkyard.co.uk/2009/05/thinkgeek-has-new-dreamcasts-in-again.html?m=1
>>12418932>junkyardYeah I'd say you belong there.
>all this bitching yet no pre patched rom linkgay
>>12418974Nobody spoon feed this lazy little faggot.
>>12418940>>12418974>doesn't get it
>>12418648You’re arguably dumber than the AI responsible for this MTL, not everything has to be a culture war issue mister fuckface
I am generous>>12418974https://mega.nz/file/LsVHDb7B#6reKTz5M_BAt4zaznkqSfKGsFOmZ3hwd7-rATltWDBs
>>12418431>don't use a calculator when doing math equations>but that would take more work>true you gotta learn mathThis is you
>>12419053You should learn math.
>>12418509You'd still be struggling to understand it even if you "learned Japanese" lol
>>12418587> the shit they put out was of an absurdly low quality TLYou haven't even played it nor checked it against the original stfu lol
>>12419045special occasion
>>12419058You should learn Japanese before complaining.
>>12419053best example challenge (failed)
>>12419068slop eater double replying huh? kill yourself dog
>>12419086Someone's a little mad.
>>12419078concession accepted
>the battle system is actually just you shouting down enemies>then you force them to work for you for meager payWas Sega trying to tell us something about their practices?
>>12416561I'd give more a shit, if every single fucking fan translator wasn't some fucking faggot jerking themselves off over translating a game that people have been waiting forever for an English release, just to say they stopped bothering because "life" got in the way.Then they all fucking get on everyone elses case over other people getting farther than them. It's why shit has been translated by fucking AI or shit gets leaked after groups sit on the translations for months after they've been finished.Fuck all these fan translation groups. A special fuck you to Aeon Genesis, I'll never forgive that faggot Gideon for hording the SMT If translation for years after he finished it and he still had the nerve to call everyone incels and whatever psioped kike terms during that time.
>>12419103rebuttal debtor
>>12419171Eternal loser
>>12419075>the people who don't need translations are the only ones who should complain about bad translationsThats how retarded you sound.
Why does it keep saying this every time the term RPG comes up?
>>12419179I accept your concession
>>12419275Are you really going to say that without paying bandai 25 cents for using their copyrighted term?
>>12419275I asked ChatGPT. It says that screenshot mistranslated the Joke. It's supposed to say>("R.P.G." is a registered trademark of Bandai Co., Ltd.)The joke is that Bandai actually does own a trademark on the term "R.P.G." in Japan. But only very specifically when it has the periods between the letter.
>>12419297Oh, it also sent me this, showing that some old Sega fliers had to include that disclaimer.
>>12419297>>12419305Yeah I found the trademark filing. Is that the whole joke? That Bandai owns that trademark?
>>12419310It's most likely just Sega staff laughing at how absurd it was that they had to include it on fliers. Even when the flier says "RPG" instead of "R.P.G", so the disclaimer wasn't even legally needed.
>>12419314Seems Yu Suzuki wasn't a total idiot trying to coin the FREE genre
>>12419275It did come with translation notes didnt it?
>>12419310>>12419314Sega themselves hold the trademark on "role play game".
>>12419297>It's supposed to sayThat would make less sense to the joke because of the image on the screen in front of them
>>12419404NTAIn the original, they say the disclaimer even after "RPG" with no punctuation is said, so that part still tracks.
So is the AI Translation worth playing or is it a pass?
>>12419310>ermmm, can someone spoonfeed me and explain the joke to me>nooooo the joke is not funny anymore how could this happen!?!?!?dude, i didn't even know that it was a real trademark, but it's still hilarious.trademarking "RPG" is absolutely absurd no matter how you slice it, and bandai is known for ridiculous patenting and trademarking. if you know anything about bandai, then you know this is something they would do. it's just so ridiculous that it works as a joke regardless, you don't even have to know that it's actually real for it to be funny. and the developers put it in the game because they knew it was funny.
>>12420037worth playing. there's only one faggot in this thread talking trash about it. he probably lost his job to ai or is just a sour grape
>>12419404That's the joke. Pic related. Sega's legal team sometimes made them include the "R.P.G is a registered trademark of Bandai" disclaimer even when the page only used "RPG". The developers are making fun of their legal team forcing them to include that completely pointless disclaimer.
>first boss is a mentally broken programming lead who was forced to do cosplay show to promote the game>Okano was given a $200 marketing budget; roughly half of it was spent on a promotional wrestling mask.[2]is that coincidental that the SGGG director himself had to promote his game the same way?
>>12419398>It did come with translation notes didnt it?lollmao even
>>12419398It'd have to come with a translation first and not MTL AI sludge.
>>12420124People in this thread have already proven that AI isn't the problem with the missed cultural references. It's capable of decoding even really obscure references like Sega being forced to put pointless disclaimers on promotional fliers. The issue seems to just be the development team using AI in the laziest way possible.
So is the translation AI or not?
>>12420152It is not totally AI but its lazy as fuck. AI was used for the initial pass and then they had "human translator review" which is basically the same thing as a student using synonyms for plagiarized passages in their essay to avoid it being obvious. AI is obviously smart enough to not completely fuck up the raw translations themselves, but there's a decent amount of awkwardness in the game as it is now. Depending on your tolerance for clunky translations it is certainly playable, but it honestly feels like a fan translation from 2005 where they just said "fuck it its in English release it" after a first passthrough.
>>12420152AI? No. Proofread DeepL translation? Absolutely.The irony is that everyone is whining about "AI", but ChatGPT unironically would have produced a cleaner translation. But this project was in the works back when DeepL was still the go-to, so it wasn't really an option when they started.
>>12420152It's AI. There's no evidence that anyone on the team even knows japanese. If they had someone who did they wouldn't need AI in the first place.
>>12420185First post in this thread of someone knowing what they're talking about. This absolutely reads like edited DeepL. I'm willing to bet GPT was only used on a handful of lines to troubleshoot their meaning.
>>12420080>or is just a sour grapeexplain to the class what you think "sour grapes" means
>>12420202>If they had someone who did they wouldn't need AI in the first place.Not even remotely true. AI can now handle the initial stage of the TL with a pretty high degree of accuracy and end up saving you a lot of time typing.
>>12420331It doesn't matter how much you "proof read" a mtl. If you don't know japanese yourself you'll never get closer to the intended meaning other than instances of outright misnaming characters.
>>12416524AI translation is better than no translation. I'm glad I'll finally be able to play this.
>>12419310A bunch of Saturn RPGs (maybe other systems too? I only remember it on Saturn) had the Japanese abbreviation ロープレ instead of just writing "RPG" in the genre name in the little info box on their covers. I remember people making fun of it sounding lame back in the day, and they'd bring up the Bandai thing.
>>12420353AI can essentially act as a living dictionary, so this statement is sadly becoming less and less true.
>>12420068I didn’t say it wasn’t funny anymore, I just wasn’t sure if I was missing something or not
>>12420361The majority of it was machine translated though. No better than google translate.
>>12416524so has anyone actually played it to give a review or is this just a bunch of nebulous complaining about the concept of ai use and not the actual quality of the tl?
>>12418797You are wrong. I am the son of Emperor Naruhito, and the translation is fine. Again, nothing that a subsequent patch can't fix.
>>12420463>Again, nothing that a subsequent patch can't fix.People play once, then never again.The first impression is the last when it comes to this.This blemish will forever be associated with Segagaga no matter what comes next, and people will mostly remember the game for this fiasco rather than for the game itself.
>>12416696If you can tell apart which site that screenshot comes from just from the crop alone your brain is terminally rotted.
>>12417831>Game is also just a bit shit, honestly, the humor either isn't carrying over or was never funny, I have no idea.I think this was the general consensus even before the translation, which is why nobody bothered translating it.
>>12416731There's one aspect that I feel I have to defend translators on and it's that people often blamed wooden writing on poor translations and somehow translators got into their heads that it was their job to fix the writing and make it feel more fluid. But it was not their fault to begin with, some of this videogame writing is genuinely just utter dogshit. People like to defend garbage writing saying that it's better in the original japanese but very often it really isn't, there's a lot of complete dogshit writing from the start but somehow people blamed translators for it.
>>12416867Nah I call bullshit on this, if a playtest translation was all they really needed to get started on hacking then wouldn't literal lorem ipsum serve the same purpose? They 100% used an AI translation to cut corners (and several screenshots I've seen so far clearly show said cut corners) and are trying to downplay the fact that they used AI making it seems like it was just something they used for early testing.
>>12416637In general yes but >>12418624 is kinda right.It will still get censored in the end.BUT if someday we get an universal AI translator that we can use unfiltered, thats when we will get actual faithful TLs.
>>12416524>AI SlopIt's fucking nothing.
>>12420494>wouldn't literal lorem ipsum serve the same purpose?Back when I did my personal translation of a certain visual novel, there was a TON of dialog in the files that I legitimately couldn't figure out how the hell you get to trigger in-game, so I had no idea what the context was (for example, some dialog where a character is analyzing your choice of girl. To this day, I'm not sure whether it's a stand-alone bit of dialog or if it pops up mid-conversation when certain conditions are met). Having an actual placeholder script that non-Japanese playtesters are using to check for bugs is useful, because then the translator can ask them "have any of you seen the scene where this dialog is supposed to appear?"
>>12420494Lorem ipsum isn't useful if you're dealing with menu items or anything that instructs you on what you should be doing. It would be even worse than playing the game untranslated.
>>12420442I'm not that far into it, only just finishing up development room B, but I think the reaction is entirely anti-AI kneejerk hysteria. It's completely fine.>>12420494I've been a part of a couple of translation projects. One shipped, the other didn't. No. Filling the entire game with garbage text would not help. What matters most is CONTEXT.Having 500,000 text strings in front of you is one thing, but actually translating them properly is contingent on knowing what is said, by whom, and where.Translating from Japanese is like mapping an unexplored wilderness. Starting from a draft or MTL translation is like having a sketch of a map to start from. Using lorem ipsum is like starting from a map dipped in black ink.
>>12419158>A special fuck you to Aeon GenesisDid Splatterworldfag ever release the REAL translation or did AG and their orbiters demoralize him?
>>12420473The game has multiple endings and is intended to be played more than once. The worthless opinions of illiterate tertiaries will be overlooked because they never cared to begin with, this translation iteration will be remembered for streamlining every subsequent translation iteration.
>>12420491I would take bad writing over dishonest writing any day.
>>12420473>This blemish will forever be associated with Segagaga no matter what comes nextThe 'blemish' will be that thousands of people play and enjoy the translation, while a handful of people barely remember that there was a kneejerk controversy that lasted a day
>>12420661STROKE MY EGO!STOKE MY EGO!STKE MY EGO!STE MY EGO!SE MY EGO!SE MY EG!SE Y EG!SE Y E!E Y E!E Y !Y !!
>>12416561A game chock-full of humor and references is always the WORST choice for AI/MTL, it doesn't matter if you roped in a human to proofread this junk, you need to be able to conduct research and swim in Japanese media to pick that up, but of course the uninitiated won't know the difference.>don't worry guys, we dropped the tools, just say thank-you, tee-heeYes, I'm sure the next translator is very interested in having to thank you for your literal soulless slop.
>>12420707>a human, who in no way is a translator with a knowledge of japanese culture whatsoeverthat's what you sound like
>>12420726>implying these grey-area criminals don't weasel-word any chance they get
>>12420707People in this thread have already proven AI is better at identifying obscure Sega references than the average English-speaking human. Hell, you'd probably be hard-pressed to even find Japanese people who remember stuff like >>12420081 happened because of what a stupid, niche thing it was.
>>12420795>the non translator who can't fathom translators doing their job correctlyit u
>>12420807Yeah but you see it missed adding the periods in the acronym so it's ILLEGIBLE AND WRONG. yes I'm a bot, how could you tell?
>>12420813
>>12420815Correct. The joke was lost in translation. The sign said "RPG", so the characters had to give a pointless disclaimer about how "R.P.G" is trademarked by Bandai even though the sign didn't say R.P.G, just like Sega used to on their fliers.ChatGPT understood the joke. The human proofreaders didn't.
>>12416639>translating the japanese slang term for 'nerdy virgin' to the English equivalent is wrong because it targets my identitylol
>>12420832The joke is that Bandai lawyers didn't care about the distinction in the first place.
>>12420862They did, because they ONLY owned the trademark when the term was used with periods. There were a bunch of other companies who owned other variations of it.
>>12420871The acronym only appears once on this flyer, and it's missing the punctuation that would denote a copyright violation. The joke is how strict copyright laws are in Japan, where non-offending usages still have disclaimers for appeasing the IP owner's lawyers. I agree that the ingame text should correctly display the acronym, but the absurdity of the joke's premise is not lost.
>the AI behind the hack has found the thread
>>12420882big if true
>>12420473You're a tremendous faggot and no one can truly believe the world revolves around them like this, can they?
>>12420968NTA but clueless streamers these days are sure as shit going to immortalize the first shit that ever shat out of an asshole and pretend it's gold. Maybe before the advent of Twitch there was leeway back in the day to make a better hack after a year or so that can enter the public consciousness, but now? Forget it. No one is going to play your hack if it is more than a month apart. Artificial glazing by influencing faggots is a gigantic ruiner of modern fan translation.
>>12420984NTA but get a life
>developed a game>it ended up being some weird SC-3000 program I've never heard of>makes a ton of fucking money and raises my market share to 10% on its ownAm I doing well?
>>12420984Consumer mindset. Consumer opinions don't matter, nor will they define history. Defining history requires insight and patience, consumers have neither of these characteristics.
>>12416524Gonna be funny if the game is actually amazing and it's had a reputation of "not that good" for all these years because the only people who played it were humorless weeb autists.
>>12417747I don't care if it was "work" or not. I only care about the translation being accurate, and I definitely trust grok over anyone in the "fan translations" community.
>>12421007>I trust LLMs designed to appease my prompts over nerds I might disagree withfell for it again award
>>12420997>you needed a keyboard and printer, making it a pretty luxurious fortune-tellerI don't get it, is the fortune teller getting a share of the keyboard and printer sales money?
>>12420632I think MTL is shit as much as the next sane person but the way they describe it it seems the ai was just placeholders that aren't really noticeable in the end product, I guess I'll just have to try it for myself
I was really wondering how they were going to do this enemy>it was originally called 'Adult Children', but advocacy groups complained because the term doesn't mean what the staff thought it meant>in the later Segagaga revision, it was changed to something completely unrelated, 'Spy Uncle' iircThey decided on the name 'Manchild'.
>>12420997>>12421029The fortune teller is digital and doesn't need payment. Something odd I noticed is how the SC-3000 has a built in keyboard, only the printer was sold separately. And it printed in black, red, green, and blue!
I 'member playing untranslated japanese games just to see what happens; this AI translation is infinitely better than having a phone with google lens pointing at the screen at all times just to see a broken translation. don't get filtered
>>12416671>Reference only people who live in Japan and already speak Japanese, therefore not needing the patch, would getI fail to see the problem
>>12417160The problem is they didn't translate it. They let AI translate it then prettied up the English it spit out. They have no idea how accurate the AI-translation is to the original source text or if it's fully of hallucinations and context errors.
Weren't these guys supposedly working on this for years? Did they spend most of that time waiting for AI to get good enough to translate a game for them? Lol
>>12421093They also had the original text which they cross referenced. I don't give a fuck if AI translated ohayo as good morning and they left it alone.
>>12421095>they used AI as part of the translation process, so I assume they did no work at all...>but they took years to make the patch...>I know, they must have actually just done nothing for years!!You are inventing scenarios to be angry about
>>12420991>said the 4chan user
>>12421126you tried. it wasnt quite succesful but an effort WAS made, so I'll give you that.Thing is I don't post or think like the anon I replied to.We post on the same board but we are not the same.But still, you tried. And that's ok.
>>12421013If my prompt is just "translate this", how is it going to be biased in appeasing me?
>>12421152It'll give you phrases that english speakers are used to hearing rather than what is literally being said. If you ask for a literal translation, it'll give you phrases that are outside common english usage and sound stupid or awkward. There is an barrier separating cultures and the barrier is called language. If you knew anything about translation you'd be familiar with this existing issue while immediately having your work dismissed as trannylation by retarded faggots unhappy yet unwilling to help fix anything.
>>12420968I just want fan translators to take some shred of pride in their work and release something better than the utter sewage they hastily spew.This whole project reeks of wanting to rush it out as fast as possible to ride the wave of attention/interviews/other clout farming shit rather than showing reverence toward the game.I get that people will pull the "B-B-BUT IT'S FREE! BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSERS!" card, but we live in an era where there is more knowledge on tap than ever before and plenty of skilled English-Japanese bilinguals capable of producing high-quality translations that don't sound like SEAshitter speed subs/3rd world scanlation shit. Yet, what we actually get is retards who think passing the JLPT N4 somehow qualifies them to translate anything, let alone an official SEGA shitpost game (meanwhile, they would struggle to watch an episode of Saint Seiya or DBZ or Detective Conan without pausing every other word to look up words or grammar, provided they even understood what they heard to know what to look up at all), who blindly trust MTL and AI with no way to evaluate it objectively.
>>12421140>reddit spacingdude just quite lmao.
>>12420491That's a long winded way of saying>yeah, the writing's shit but it's not the translator's fault, so the translator's should rewrite things that are badLet the poor writing stand on its own. It's not a translator's job to rewrite things. Also, please die from sharing this stupid reheated opinion ever again.
>>12418108>if people don't know any better, it's ok to lie to them!What a jewish thing to say.
>>12421221Anon. It took twenty fucking years for anyone to be able to hack English text into the game without making the engine collapse like a house of cards. These guys are like the sixth or seventh team to try. They even went "we mainly just wanted to get it working. here are the tools we used, if anyone wants to do a better translation"They're pretty upfront about the fact that the coding stuff was their main priority and they open welcome people to do the translation half better.
