It's time to adress the elephant in the room, there has been a rise in retro games being translated this year, more than any year before. What happened? Have you or are you currently playing any of the recenly translated games this year? What untranslated retro game are you hoping to be translated next?
I just can read Japanese
>>12815552>It's time to adress the elephant in the roomYour mom browses this site?
>>12815556Hope you are Japanese or something because it would have been a waste to learn Japanese now that ai is translating everything left and right
>>12815552>What untranslated retro game are you hoping to be translated next?Someone convince Claude to translate Metal Max 2 on SNES, a certain slacker has been "workin on it" for almost 20 years now.
>>12815558I enjoy the language, so it's cool to actually notice things like puns, dialects and other literary nuances that get completely lost in translations, especially AI ones.But yeah it wasn't hard for me as I have not problem learning new languages anyway.
>"translations are on the rise">it's just "MTL and pray"The japanese goverment has literally told these people to fuck off.
>>12815619NOOOOOOO! FUCK OFF? FUCK YOU! I AM THE GREATEST SLOPARTIST OF ALL TIME! I WILL SPAM MY SLOP EVERYWHERE. I WILL MAKE MY SHITTY NARUTARDENDO USERNAME SYNONYMOUS WITH THIS SMELLY OLD GAME. WE WILL TAKE OVER AND CREATE OUR OWN CLIQUE SO THAT WE OUST THE GATEKEEPERS WHO CARE ABOUT "ART" AND "INTEGRITY." AND ONE DAY, SOMEONE WILL SEE I AM JUST AND HIRE ME. TAKE THAT, MY NAYSAYERS!!
>AI shill threadBubble's popping soon, my friend.Anyways, none of the games that have been translated are ones I've been waiting for so I haven't tried any of them. Also, say what you want about translation groups, but I like it when their work feels like a passion project and not shoveling text a machine regurgitates into a patch and calling it a day; I have more respect for the people who did the unfinished Front Mission 2 translation than for a guy pumping out ten mtl scripts a year just because he has tokens to spend.
>>12815637Dunningkrugersan...
>trannyslation
>>12815558It's not a waste, Nipponese is one of the few languages that AI still sucks ass at translating because of how context-dependent it is
>Go to RomhACKing's translation front page>7/10 translations are AI>Go to RTG's "latest translated" corner>All AII had time to acclimate to the fact that MTLs being the majority in fan translations is the way forward but that's OK. Maybe I can then start on my backlog of retro shit. And hey, some MTLs aren't actually that bad. Custom Robo GX's MTL made me realize some AI bros don't just prompt and dump; there's a couple that do give a shit.
>>12815552I will never use any translation, man or machine made. I will struggle until i can read and understand the game in its unmodified original language.
I don't have a problem with ai translation. It's not like any fan translation has raised the art at all. Call me back if anyone has the balls to try something like the war of the lions localization.
>>12815652nobody cares what you think, fat ugly crossdresser
>>12815724It's the same script in japanese as the ps version, you filthy vacuous western insect.
>>12815552> what happened?Really anon
>>12815804>psI said war of the lions (psp), retard. And I only barely give a shit about the Japanese script if the same thing can produce such different results after translation.
>>12815835Western insect can't read to save it's life or comprehend what it's reading, imagine my shock
>>12815652>Bubble's popping soonMaybe on multimedia usage of AI, but not on language (including programming languages) related problems. LLM = large language model.>I like it when their work feels like a passion projectfuck that tranny shit>shoveling text a machine regurgitates into a patch and calling it a dayAs >>12815715 said, there are people that actually know how to use AI and are competent enough to review the translation.
>>12815687Indeed, my fellow guy.There has been a rise of artificial language model assisted translations! The thing to remember is this: will we let all those bad people to continue doing what they do and produce terrible, artificially powered language modeled translations or will we shun those new projects on principle? What is being "made" with language models has no soul. Whoever uses language models has no soul.>>12815853How many times do I have to keep correcting you, bad boy? No matter how much you try to force it, "western insects" just won't ever be a thing.
>>12815706You know what language it really sucks at? Traditional Chinese. That shit is hard for even mainland Chinese to write.
>>12816074This.
>>12815715The number of new high quality translations hasn't gone down. The people who were making them before are still making them. As far as I'm concerned, MTL patches are noise to be ignored.
>>12815552AI translation has become good enough to make translating games easy. It's not perfect, but with enough testing you can get a pretty nice result.
>>12815948whatever you say insect.
>>12815948Don't care, can read the games now well enough to play them. Simple as.
>>12816223For the hobby's sake I hope you're right.>>12816243By all means knock yourself out
>>12816276Better than nothing. Not like there haven't been better ones too.
>>12816223This. So everybody can chill out about MTL patches. Play them if you like, or don't.
>>12816074Write? Yes, dear god yes. Speak? Not so much, Mandarin is still way easier to learn than say Arabic
>>12816326Chinese is so difficult that it is on revision #3 to make it easier, which is still difficult. Ancient/Old Chinese is even more ungodly hard than traditional Chinese.
>>12815590Wow his character looks a lot less fat than the American version of this game. Japs were truly ahead of their time.
>>12815723Are you from New England? You sure sound like you are.
>>12816353The original Famicom sprites are a lot more soulful!
>>12816276I understood it perfectly, better than moonrunes
>>12816279>>12817413Even RetroArch's AI overlay is better. You can't be this retarded
>>12817541It really isn't. You have more active control, which is nice, but overlays suck compared to actually seeing something in-game. You can pretend this doesn't matter, but it does. Otherwise there would be no point in having translation patches for old games in the first place.
>>12815552Nostalgia money.
>>12816238Is he autistic, an asshole, both or something else entirely? Or maybe all four at once?
>>12817912He's a GigaChad
>>12816243>>12816279That's one problem with AIslop. There's so much of it and it floods the "market" to the point that there's less incentive to produce something good and original. Why put the effort into making a proper translation (or anything like that) if some half-assed AI thing is already out there to suck most of the hype out of a proper translation's release, especially when the sentiment is "good enough is good enough?" Most of the people who were eager to play the game in English will tolerate the AIslop, finish the game, then never think about it again, and probably won't care when a proper translation comes out.Of course people will still make proper translations because they care about the game and making a quality product, but let's be honest, getting recognition and attention is, and will always be, a driving factor for people to post things on the internet.
>>12817939>Why put the effort into making a proper translation (or anything like that) if some half-assed AI thing is already out there to suck most of the hype out of a proper translation's releaseSo a better translation can exist? People make things people won't care about all the time just because they want it to exist. Including retranslating games that absolutely don't need retranslations. As you said>Of course people will still make proper translations because they care about the game and making a quality product>Most of the people who were eager to play the game in English will tolerate the AIslop, finish the game, then never think about it again, and probably won't care when a proper translation comes out.A shame, but there's always new people who can play the game. And they'll go towards the best available translation.>getting recognition and attention is, and will always be, a driving factor for people to post things on the internet.True. But I don't think we've seen any sign of quality translations slowing down in reality. We're getting the same number of them, even if they're surrounded by lesser translations. And it's nice seeing games people wouldn't touch getting released in some fashion.The controversial part: AI translations/MTL are getting better, and the results aren't always as terrible as people think. With a small amount of editing, or maybe none eventually, they will be just about as good to most people as a natural translation. Especially for the simple text in many games which were aimed towards children and teenagers. You might miss small nuances or a tiny amount of flavor, which is sad. But the reality is very few people will care all that much, and those things can be reintroduced with intelligent proofreading. The quality differences are already becoming overstated, with the issues being more from people rushing out AI stuff without polishing first.
>>12817939The trick is to not care how the plebeians play their video games.
>>12817912Worse, he can't make good games
>>12817912An attention whore.
>>12815590You can't even read "nankumi," lil romi. Who do you think you're fooling? LMFAOhttps://streamvi.com/watch/1812665307419252
>>12815706AI's basically perfect at translating it now. It can guess the contextual elements surprisingly well.
>>12817959NTA,>And they'll go towards the best available translation.In theory yes, but if you have a misinformed youtuber platform the wrong hack, congratulations: the situation is completely beyond fixing as the slopper spams themselves to chase the high they felt when youtuber platformed their "work" knowing deep down they will never capture that feeling ever again with an honest product.>even if they're surrounded by lesser translations.We need a new system that flushes out incomplete junk and rushjobs. RHDN's reviews system theoretically helps but in reality it hinders because the reviewing users are often completely unqualified to talk about translations and then go on "it sounded natural" vibes.>... the issues being more from people rushing out AI stuff without polishing first.Which is a really massive problem because they don't know how to proofread what the bot says so even the polish could be a gold turd.
>>12815619The Japanese government can fuck off first. They can't stop people from translating anything.
>>12818076I trust the bot more than people. People constantly fudge translations with overanalysis of the material and political agenda. If I had a nickel for every time a translator used the words "culture" or "nuance," I'd be making Bill Gates blush.
>>12818090>I trust the bot more than people.The industry is closing its doors on people like that btw. Jobs aren't opening for you.
>>12818090AI only knows what it aggregates. I've had it multiple times be so confidently wrong about stuff I myself put out there lol. It's easy for it to pull dated crap or false-positives, especially if you don't even have basic wangling ability.
I will use AI translation as soon as there are cheap AR glasses or some kind of smart projector that can scan a screen and project text.
>>12816365the fuck? there isnt a single new englandism in that post you alabama retard
>>12818109Not with translation. It's got most of everything in its DB, aside from maybe obscure neologisms.
>>12817912he's Japanese
>>12817939>There's so much of it and it floods the "market" to the point that there's less incentive to produce something good and original.Then explain why there was million+ re-translations of FFIVThe only people up set are:Trannies because muh AIJap readers who are no longer in their super secret club
>>12817562So you want your gibberish soop tied in a nice bow. All of a sudden you grew selective standards lmao. Read your garbage if you want but don't rope the entire community along for the ride validating your AI fetish.
>>12819638>use AI in an overlay instead!
>>12819651Duh. 99% of the time MTLs get dumped without any updates from whoever "made" it. RetroArch's overlay does get constant updates and can only improve as LLMs get more sophisticated. It's objectively the better option
>>12819638>gibberish soopYou people keep pretending machine translation is worse than it is. I don't understand the point of that, most people have used it enough nowadays to know you're bullshitting them.
Besides, the hold-up on fan translations has always been some hacking issue, the script was the easier part.
>>12819678The fact that anyone can prompt and publish an MTL has brought the quality down to levels not seen since the very early days of fan translation with babelfish BS. As long as garbage like Sakura Wars 4 and Slime MoriMori' MTL keep rearing their head in public I'll keep calling MTLs what they are: sub standard work.
>>12819692>I'll keep calling MTLs what they are: sub standard work.Many of them are, the problem is when you pretend that the quality is equal across the board. And even if the best MTL isn't perfect, the barriers to replacing the text are gone. I just can't be too bothered by mountains of garbage existing either, when sifting through the garbage is almost always trivial to do.
>>12819692>they said bitchHoly fucking newfag never played an AG translation before
>>12819692>has brought the quality down to levels not seen since the very early days of fan translationMaybe that's why it doesn't bother me, it even makes me a bit nostalgic.
>>12819706>the barriers to replacing the text are gone.That unequivocally one of the best uses AI has at this point and no one should be mad at a translation team used it to decrypt esoteric text compression algorithms from the 90s-00s if it means a more swift translation work. The problem is clout chasing flags and ESLs without a regard for quality also using LLMs which honestly are still years away from producing decent work as a first and ONLY draft and shitting it out into the wild, cluttering repos and hacking sites and let to fester forever>>12819709I don't mind curse words. "Arche fuck like a tiger" is gold. That Slime MTL is clearly unfinished and still on RGT's repo if you want first hand experience on a truly garbage MTL
>>12819730Yeah that's all reasonable. The main thing that bugs me is when people act like every MTL patch is an unplayable mess when that's plainly false. But I can't deny the flood of shoddy work either.
>>12819730>think about muh quality >actually fucks like a tiger was goodYou can't choose both
>>12819748If only there was a review site or something other than yes-men glazing every MTL under every comment section. I had to learn from here and posts like >>12815715that some people actually proofread their shit before posting. I've been playing Custom Robo GX and yeah, it's actually decent. >>12819773I guess double standards but when it's by an LLM with no proofread whatsoever it can't even get a chuckle out of me. It just screams "QC? What's that? w/e gimme clout"
both AI and human-made translations will have mistakes, misunderstandings, loss of nuance, or at worst really cringe attempts to localize references and humor. there's really no amount of effort that can change this.the bigger issue with AI translation is that there's no ability for the AI itself to fix what is wrong. a human translator can and probably will receive feedback, continue studying and learning, look back on previous translations and feel regret at their previous sloppy work. AI will never do that without a human to prompt it to do so first. and humans who rely on AI translation tools will never do that, because they'll never understand what is wrong with the translation at all. the AI said it's correct, the players who don't know Japanese will never point out mistakes they can't understand, the "creator" won't ever know because if they knew enough Japanese to recognize the mistakes they wouldn't need to use AI for the translation.
>>12819730>I don't mind curse words. "Arche fuck like a tiger" is goldThis line alone is the reason AI translations are superior
>>12819954You contradicted yourself>a human translator can and probably will receive feedback>the players who don't know Japanese will never point out mistakes they can't understandSo when the translation is done by humans, players will come out to correct their mistakes, but when it's done by machines, everyone's magically incapable of giving feedback? lol
>>12819980sorry. note the "can and probably will", not "will". it's not feedback from average players that matters, they're only ever going to know obvious issues in the target language, not the translation from source material. people who are familiar with said source have the feedback that matters, and that comes from a far far smaller pool of people. which, if AI really does discourage people from bothering to learn like >>12815558implies, is only getting smaller.still that one "contradiction" doesn't invalidate the rest of the post on it's own.
>>12819692>>12819672>99% of the time MTLs get dumped without any updates from whoever "made" it.YES, true. Sometimes you get in-perpetuity hacks that just keep updating forever because the author is an impulsive wishywashy git who can't make up their mind and needs to be at the center of it all (looking at you TWUE) but MTLers have the opposite problem where it's literally "oh good enough, who's gonna notice or care that it's not actually complete" and then their BPD authors just never actually finish it because that would actually require some language/hacking skills. Then when an alternative shows up that DOES notice and care, they tend to vamoose. These cretins are not interested in real self-improvement, all they're interested in is being first at something so they can parasocially watch some zoomer streamer clumsily play through their crap hack and pretend with starry eyes that it's their indie game they'll never make. All this ultimately does is confuse people and obstruct sense.>>12819820>If only there was a review site or something other than yes-men glazing every MTL under every comment section.I think one way to fix that would be to limit reviews to other verified submitters. If you didn't make your own thing, you don't get a say.vWho cares if it's seen as elitist. Bring gatekeeping back. Or just make looser rules on negative reviews.>"QC? What's that? w/e gimme clout"Yeah fuck these people, if they don't actually see games as an art form they should find another industry.
>>12819678They are like the same people who think AI generated art still produced 7 fingers
>>12819678>>12820386Does the game use kanji?>yesWe could work with that.>noOh boy, gibberish soup!
>>12820004No, no, no, you're claiming that criticism will only be lodged at the human translation, which then motivate the translator to magically what was wrong and fix his error with the speed and grace of gazelle. Meanwhile, the AI Slop-a-tron 9000 will never understand the SOUL that it lacked and will NEVER feel regret over its (many) mistakes. For a man does not translate any longer, ONLY A MACHINE.Yes, I understand completely your argument man now lmao
>>12820409this nigga is still riding a horse rather then driving a car
>>12820409AI can parse kana-only text, my dude.
Gaijin piggus should not translate nippon geemus! They are not for you!
>>12818325>People who know Japanese are my enemy!What a convenient way to villanize anyone who might possibly be in a position to judge whether this translation actually translates the Japanese text. How reassuring that the AIslopper can't even read.What's next on the enemy list?Japanese Americans? Because they would be unpatriotic enemies of AI?Japanese people who can speak English and tell this translation is bad? Because they're secret xenophobic agents sent by the evil developers and nip copyright system to prevent you from playing that game?The evil typography cabal?Because the english font is ugly and unreadable as hell?The woke Writers Guilds of America of reddit?Because who else would say that the sentence in the screenshot reads like shit?Russian spies sent by Kaspersky labs?Because someone thinks your ai patch / recomp exe is dubious as fuck and refuses to download it?The broccoli cartel?Because it's good for brain cells and eyesight and bad for ai slop business?>TrannylatorsAI sloppers translate too, was there some corrective CBT therapy by OpenAI that made them no longer trannies? Why are they considered special snowflakes among the rest when they lie and gaslight just as much as an enraged unrepentant bad localizer caught doing shitty work?
>>12820415>I understand completely your argumentclearly not, moron.>there's no ability for the AI itself to fix what is wrongthis is straightforward. the AI will never decide, on a whim, by itself, to fix any mistakes that it made. a human has to tell it to. there's no """"""SOUL"""""" or HUMAN MAJESTY involved, it is literally how AI prompting works.and like i said, the mistakes that matter here are not simple mistakes that the target language speakers can obviously point out, it's the mistranslations from source to target. the only people who are going to recognize those are people who have played BOTH the original script and the translation, which is a very small amount of people.this is less of an issue for popular games, there's enough people who have learned by playing Final Fantasy 5 or Sakura Wars. less so for some random Yatterman game, or god forbid some random Taiwanese or Hungarian DOS shit. AI makes translation mistake > no one notices because none who play actually understand source language or material > problem can't be fixed unless someone with actual knowledge points it out. ( > ask ourselves why the AI was necessary at all if it's going to require a translator in the end.) again, the human OP might review their previous work after learning more and decide to revise. the AI will never do this on it's own.hopefully this is simple enough to follow now. if you're still struggling, maybe throw it into chatgpt and ask it to explain.
>>12819954>if they knew enough Japanese to recognize the mistakes they wouldn't need to use AI for the translation.That’s where you’re wrong. Commonly used translation software has supported machine translation for far longer than current LLMs. Any translation is far faster when you have a base to start from. Using machine translation does not mean the translator lacks enough knowledge of the source language to correct mistakes or rewrite the text entirely. It’s simply a much faster workflow.That said, 99% of the people translating these games with LLMs know zero Japanese, so your point stands.Nowadays, anyone who claims they used no machine assistance at all is almost certainly lying. As it has always been, the quality of a translation depends on the translator’s proficiency in both the source and target languages and on their knowledge of the source material’s lore. LLMs have not changed that, and they will not.
>translating is not my job, I'm a localizer. I must fix the writing and story of this shit japanese game to look good and flow naturally like a pleasant rainbow shitLocalization >:()>translations should not be translations (explain original text), they simply must be convincing enough lies, also you get the politically correctness filter as the ai "moral guardrail"Localization, AI >:D o===8
>>12821953>localization Fan translations do both too
>>12815619still probably more accurate than what localizers do kek
>>12821953Remember: anyone trying to make "localization" its own wholly separate (yet intangible!) thing beyond "translation" has their own agenda - often seeing an 'in' after their failed writing and crushed gamedev dreams. Chase these people out of getting near the industry! We're dealing with enough shit with AI and producers and all these talentless D-student fucks do is make things worse, every single time.
>>12821523> it's the mistranslations from source to target. the only people who are going to recognize those are people who have played BOTH the original script and the translation, which is a very small amount of people.That's always been the case, retard. Your arguments against AI make no sense. Humans miss shit all the time. Look at the Yunyun Syndrome controversy if you don't believe me. They missed almost every single reference and that was done entirely by real people.>AI makes translation mistake > no one notices because none who play actually understand source language or materialHow does an AI translation make it so no one can point out issues with it? Or are you saying the ONLY person capable of evaluating the quality of a translation is the translator themselves after they miraculously decide to revisit their work?I'm sorry, that might be the most retarded argument I've ever heard.
>>12822006"Localization" is best interpreted as "making concessions". The thing that makes it a convenient word for hacks is that there's no limit to how badly you can fuck up; you could be inventing complete bullshit and you're still "localizing", but you're not "translating".At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you call it. The bottom line is that certain concessions need to exist no matter what. You categorically cannot translate something without localizing it to some degree.
>>12822580Localization is actually the practice of transforming a product from one culture to another. Vertical text to horizontal, ramen to burgers, Japanese names to Western ones, etc. For some reason the word is now synonymous with sense-for-sense translations. Dunno how that happened.
>>12822627>sense-for-sense translations.How is Working Designs inserting jokes where there were none in the original, even altering game mechanics to create a humourous effect where none existed, "sense for sense"?
>>12822638It's not. It's akin to vandalism. I'm only talking about how people use the term now. They insist that no translation can sound natural without some form of "localization."
>>12822627>For some reason the word is now synonymous with sense-for-sense translationsOf course it is. Language itself is also a product of culture.
>>12822672Translating something so that the message is understood has little to do with culture and more to do with explanation.
>>12822684I honestly lack the technical jargon to even begin with this topic, but if you speak multiple languages yourself then you should intuitively know that that's not true at all.
>>12822627>Localization is actually the practice of transforming a product from one culture to another. Vertical text to horizontal, ramen to burgers, Japanese names to Western ones, etc.ACTUALLY, the company I worked for had a different word for what you're describing: Adaptation. Sometimes it was translator suggestions, sometimes it was marketing notes. "Localization" wasn't even in corporate handbooks years ago, which is why there tends to be confusion/embarrassment when online amateurs confidently define it to industry professionals. I hear from acquaintances that the usage (if there is one) varies by company; in short, it's a buzzword.I'd really love there to be a wider breakdown of this one day, but I imagine doing it anytime soon would be a violation of policies with people currently under employ (see: Nintendo guy who gave his take which certainly wasn't my company's).
>>12822698It is absolutely true and fulfills the skopos of fidelity in a translation.
>>12822831>"Localization" wasn't even in corporate handbooks years agoLanguage localization has been a thing since the 80s. I'm impressed how confidently you can lie on the topic when it's a pretty well-known term, broad as it may be.
>>12822869>LANGUAGE localization
>>12822895???
>>12821958Consider the following. AI slop authors treat reading, let alone writing or translating, as a waste of time.That there is the "motive".The "result" is that they're ideologically opposed to proper translation.The "output" is an english text that doesn't actually contain the full data from japanese text. Which is what players expect when they hear "translation" but it's not what they get when playing this translation.It's not a matter of debate that the "data" is complete or even falsified.According to the AI slop authors themselves, their "translation" is "good" because it looks like a coherent English sentence, it looks like a complete sentence, and the AI said it's grammatically correct. That is what they consider "error-free".Thing is, anything by Nintendo Treehouse is just as coherent and grammatically correct, but is still not a good "translation". Why? Because Treehouse does not "want" to convey the japanese data, then does not "do" that (NOT a translation, but a rewrite, or simply deleting parts of the text), and pretends that is a "good english version" based on criteria they set.Discussing why Treehouse and other localizers do that is all about the "motive": they despise jp language/culture/etc, they hate the writing, they want to sell to preschoolers or soccer moms or the modern woke audience, they didn't learn jp or do research...But that same result is seen in AI slop.Script too long for the vibecoded patch? Just delete half of it and rewrite the rest to hide its existence.Unknown sentence? Just guess, and reword the rest around the lie.Details? Character spellings? Fuck those.Problematic sentence? Gemini and OpenAI hate that, reword it.Those same motives are heard from AI sloppers, with extra lies and shifting responsibility to the black box.No wonder official localizers embraced AI to combine their shit rewrites with even less damn given to the "translation" part.AI slop is selling the same old brand of localization.
>>12822901Anon was confidently describing "localization" as non-language regional differences apart from translation, which is a new development that not everyone agrees on. See, stuff like this is why translation discourse is screwed.
>>12822907Oh, I see. He intentionally played dumb so he could do the ol'>noooo I wasn't talking about THAT localization, I was talking about THIS localizationeven though everyone and their mom only ever talks about localization with respect to jelly donuts.
>>12815552all the PC98 eroges and /vst/
>>12822914>even though everyone and their mom only ever talks about localization with respect to jelly donuts.NTA not if you're one of those bugman cretins who call their text hack a "relocalization" as a sad excuse for their own lack of language skill.
>>12822006>has their own agendano its right to call this something other than translating
>>12822553>Humans miss shit all the time.>>12819954both AI and human-made translations will have mistakesyes i know, i said that already.>How does an AI translation make it so no one can point out issues with it? Or are you saying the ONLY person capable of evaluating the quality of a translation is the translator themselves after they miraculously decide to revisit their work?>because none who play actually understand source language or material>>12821523>less of an issue for popular games .. [moreso] for some random Yatterman gameyou are dumb. stop using AI, stop posting malformed bullshit you haven't thought about, learn to read.
>>12823101>implying that is not a prime example of said D student usurping retard
>>12823106>D studentits not a d student assuming you mean someone whos stupid. its someone with an agenda which is quite common with localizers
>>12823101>>12823112>"this was probably the very last line we finalized in the script. we AGONIZED over it for so long"Sigh. You know what actually happened here if you can read between the lines, right? This is most probably a spastic kid who kept getting their grievances-disguised-as-rewrites vetoed by higher-ups, then at the last minute slipped it under the door anyway when the real adult was not looking. Of course it's some online addict.
The bottom line here is that even if human translators end up bad, which many do, they start from the correct place: "I shouldn't just use AI."AI guys fail right out of the gate. So even assuming 90% of human translators are bad, they have the potential to be good. AI guys are doomed from the start. They're too lazy to learn a language, too lazy to use a dictionary, too lazy to learn to code, too socially inept to work with other people on a team. Why would you think this type of person could produce a work worth talking about?
>>12816238>bug people calling others insects
Yeah AI can't replace human SOUL>The soul in question: Removing a Japanese word>>12823101
>>12823425The human in question seems to be an idiot that overthinks everything and feels a need to Localize (self-insert) instead of trying to stay closer to the script.The AI translated 馬鹿野郎 as "bastard", which doesn't have the same meaning.Into the trash they both go.
>>12823130>Stu took a sick day? Up yours, Stu!I can see it being something like that...>>12823893>Into the trash they both go.Seriously. The same minifolder of two or three images gets reposted every other thread. Pretty sure this game isn't even retro-adjacent.
>>12823893>Into the trash they both go.How dare you.The AI localizer is better than the human localizer because... because he said tranny first!
I don't see why peopel complain about AI translation. Is it because it's not literally god-like perfect right out of the gate, like any new technology has been in human history?I'd rather have good translation tools in a few years than see people trusting trannies with faithful translations since people around here who claim to know Japanese sure don't worry about the very obvious cultural influence that evil localizers are pushing on the Japs, which will inevitably have consequences.
>>12823105>the ONLY person capable of evaluating the quality of a translation is the translator themselvesNormally you would listen to the opinions of people who can translate, not necessarily the og translator, because they can read both languages fluently (assuming they're qualified) and are hopefully (not always) honest enough to propose realistic solutions. For example if Zelda 3 references some american DJ in japanese it should be left in english no matter how weird but some non-translator would say it's cringe and must have been a translation mistake.If that's too hard you would listen to casuals who can read Japanese.Their opinions on the ideal english wording won't always be great but they're passable and acceptable, but their opinions on the original japanese meaning would be very valuable, especially when it comes to saying "hey this english translation makes a complete mess of the japanese meaning".That's IT.Evaluating the quality of the english prose or the grammatical errors or the quality of the story isn't the same as evaluating the translation process.BUT bad localizers will insist that's the part that matters the most, and proper translation is the part that matters the least.That's also what LLM tl and proofreading focuses on. And naturally that's why AI slop authors are so hyperfixated on attacking people who can read japanese in general, not just all fan translators and all translators / localizers in existence.
>>12824153>>12824162the fuck are you talking about?you see a trans flag and instantly start sperging out
>>12824162The "evil localizers" are already involved in training ai, they implemented their taboo lists long ago and it's applied in most new ai patches.The people who know japanese play the japanese version, then the english ai version, then come to the conclusion it's not a translation but a travesty with cleaned up grammar and rewritten loose ends to hide lies. They say "bad translation!" like they said to all bad translations before. You want to be given special treatment and silence that truth. For that end you say "we're fighting on the same side" and talk about trannies and culturally colonised japan and promises things will get better in two weeks... the japanese reader looks at your behavior. The ai translations have the same localization practices they hate, the same contempt for details and accuracy, you brag about not reading japanese and have zero will to get better.The normies who don't know japanese even notice these flaws, say this tl feels like shit but the answer is "you're an enemy of AI" and constantly denying this is a flaw. The normie sees you have zero intentions to improve the translation.You're too worried about whether the politics talk will win people to your side, or about your technology, or whether players see there's better alternatives or ANY alternatives at all to your slop you can't even pretend to like, to see that you, yourself, are an untrustworthy breed of shit localizer who struggles to convince players why they shouldn't instead> learn japanese> play game untranslated> play other translation (official or fan)> use ocr with machine tl instead of your shit solution And no, the constant lies >it can do context!>it's uncensored! Everything else is censored!>it's 100% playable!don't help with that "trust". There's the saying fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, but by this point "progress" is just an excuse for you to seethe that fooling the same player 10 times doesn't work as effectively.
>>12824195Have you translated any games?
>>12823893>>12823987>>12824153I never said anything about ai being better but whatever floats your boat.
>>12824228I mentioned AI in my post? lol
>>12823105>because none who play actually understand source language or materialSo again, you're claiming the only person capable of fixing the translation after the fact is the translator themselves because "none who play actually understand the source language or material," which is the wildest assertion I've ever seen.
>>12823145AI is naturally more correct than a human translator, so it wins by default.
>>12823893>The AI translated 馬鹿野郎 as "bastard", which doesn't have the same meaning.I miss when bait was believable.
>>12824754https://jisho.org/search/%E9%A6%AC%E9%B9%BF%E9%87%8E%E9%83%8Eit's closer to calling someone an idiot or a dumbfuck. bastard is interchangable in certain contexts, but often you're not calling someone a dumbfuck for the same reason you would call them a bastard.
>>12824754also to make you feel worse, ふざける doesn't translate exactly to "Shut up!" i'm guessing it's okay here because anime boy is crying in disbelief, faux pleading about some other character idk i don't watch shitty anime. but it's better as "Stop kidding around!" or "Stop joking!", "Stop messing with me!", something along those lines.i mean, surely you'd know that telling someone to shut up in japanese sounds more like うるさい!, or だまれ!, right anon-kun??
>>12824995While it is literally a strong way of calling someone an idiot, it's definitely not as strong as the English "dumbfuck." If I saw someone translate it like that, I'd laugh.Bastard is definitely an acceptable translation, given that it comes after a noun adjunct like tsundere.>>12825005Oh, you don't make me feel bad. I know too much Japanese to fall for the "it doesn't me X, it means Y" routine on 4chan. You'll find that in imperative forms of verbs, the literal meaning might change based on the context. ふざけるな is a good example of that. When used as a rebuke, it often gets shortened in translation to a generic command such as, "cut it out" or "knock it off" (or just "shut up" in this case).
>>12825038>Bastard is definitely an acceptable translation, given that it comes after a noun adjunct like tsundere.I was thinking something like RETARD would be much better if the hard-R didn't trip your AI employer up
>>12825107I accept your confession, N5-kun
>>12824749Says who? The claude worshipper desperate to look for excuses why we shouldn't double check the japanese text and just trust and believe only one party that's proud it doesn't read?
>>12825128An N5-kun is still far more preferable than a N-minus who defends artificially generated political correctness.
>>12825225Are you the okama schizo who insists AI is censoring translations?
>>12825224Hey, if it's correct, then it's correct. I can't help that it produces perfect translations.
>>12825038i'm not sure why people on here keep reading my posts and replying with what are effectively rewrites of what i've already written as if it's a gotcha, but i guess it wouldn't be 4chan if it's users knew how to communicate effectively.
>>12825236Four posts above there's an example with "retard". How miserable it must be to defend shitty localization practices. At least the other trannies don't try to gaslight me to protect their izzat.
>>12815552>elephant in the roomno
