Is it still the best rpg ever made?
>>3898438
>>3898448Oh shit they put Ninja Gaiden on Turbograffix?
No.
It's not even the best rpg in the baldur's gate series.
>>3898463bg1 is better?
>>3898471Indubitably.
>>3898438no
>>3898475go away Lilura
>>3898471no
BG3 is the best. If BG2 came out today it wouldn't even be noticed.
>>3898540>cringeposting
>>3898438Yes. 3 is an abomination
>>3898438Yes, it's indisputably THE best CRPG ever made. Probably in the top 10 computer and video games ever made. Arguably THE best computer game ever made, period. It's an almost perfect product, the only flaw is the lack of foreshadowing for Suldanessellar. You'd have thought there'd be at least a couple of common books about it. But the sheer entertainment value crammed into the game world is extraordinary. Morrowind is too janky, procedural and broken to even get into the top 10, sorry guys but it just isn't that good.
>>3898438probably
>>3898438Wake up people! Warcockracy has delivered our opinion!https://youtu.be/1endahLRdyE
>>3898554>Morrowind is too procedurallol,Lmao even
>>3898438>is BG2 still World of Xeen?what does that even mean?
All of these rpgs are too attached to dnd autism.
>>3898438Never has been.>>3898463True.
>>3899011It was the style at the time.
>>3898460Morrowind is the much better game in a much better series, I agree.
>>3898438Currently on Suldanessellar. Honestly I enjoyed BG1 more.
>>3898471Yes
>>3899098Yes, BG1 is better for a variety of reason, but many people hate it because of its lower level scope.
>>3899237Childhood is thinking BG2 is better because there's more stuffAdulthood is thinking BG1 is better because there's less stuff
>>3898479
>>3899237Generally speaking, in D&D based rpgs, low to mid level adventures (pre epic) are more enjoyable. This is a hard pill to shallow for most D&D enjoyers.>>3899245>Adulthood is thinking BG1 is better because there's less stuffIndeed. Every magical item counts, every minor bonus counts, every spell slot counts, etc.
>>3898535I'm not that female woman but she is definitely correct.
>>3899245>>3899252There is that. I'm also thinking about how BG1 is more open-ended, and the story is "less epic", which can be a good thing or a bad thing, but in this case it feels more like a comfy d&d adventure, where BG2 is all about god-defying end of all things dilemmas, which goes a bit too far into the realm of fantasy for me. It's not that I mind that kind of story, but I don't want to feel responsible for the world all the time either. Sometimes the simple things are more entertaining because they're more grounded.
>>3899306BG1 feels like a tabletop campaing you'd play with a bunch of friends.BG2 feels like a powertripping game you got dragged to play with a bunch of munchkins.I like then both, but over the years I've enjoyed BG1 playthroughs more.
>>3898471Both BG1 and BG3 are better.
>>3898540>>3899604Zoomers all need to literally die.
>>3898438No.
>>3898460na podstawie (based in Polish)
>>3898460this
>>3899661ok, boomer.
>>3899661you need to pipe down unc fr fr
>>3898479Oh, that's a magic arrow. I thought he was holding a glowing wand. I wanted to warn the warrior, that the wizard behind him is the real threat.
>>3898438BG1 was better. And didn't have romance slop
>>3898471in story and exploration yes, bg2 has more levels , gear, character development
>>3898540incorrect bear fucker
>>3898438Ultima online on a roleplaying shard with political systems is the best RPG of all time.
>>3906555I never played UO but I remember someone assassinated Lord British, who was supposed to be invincible, and he got big mad about it.
>>3906555the font is horrible in this, gives you headaches
>>3906555How come no one beat it and why does larian love it and makes games that don't even come close?
>>3898540True and devastating nuke
>>3909120> How come no one beat itlol, lmao even
>>3909125No dev beat it you illiterate
>>3899604Ur high if you think BG1 is better than 2. Unless your a chud who finds romance icky, there's no legitimate basis or reasoning that could possibly support your position.
>>3909373>there's no legitimate basis or reasoning that could possibly support your position.NTA. BG1 vs BG2 is a subjective preference, and not a matter of objective fact. It marks one as a fool to be unable to distinguish the two, and lacking in imagination to be unable to imagine why someone else might reasonably have different preferences than you do.Potential reasons why someone may prefer 1 over 2:>open world exploration with many optional areas, versus tighter "theme park" setpiece designBG1 feels more like a tabletop campaign where you and your bros are tromping through the woods exploring, as opposed to 2's lurching from quest area to quest area.>lower level campaign, where DnD's systems are the most balanced, as opposed to higher level campaign, where bloat sets inBG1's campaign starts at level 1 and ends in the mid levels, at what, 7? Depending on class and if you had TotSC or not. BG2's campaign starts there and ramps up into the "epic" levels where the numbers get too bloated and everything falls apart. By ToB, the continuation of BG2, random mooks have +3 weapons just because they have to, which is silly and immersion-breaking.>limited magic items are relatively more important in BG1 due to scarcity, as opposed to BG2's deluge of lootAs stated>BG1's characters follow the older school philosophy of having a large number of replaceable characters. Death was expected, and attrition was provided for. One could easily drop in a custom party through the multiplayer workaround and wouldn't feel as though one missed much.BG2 originated the nu-cRPG formula with a smaller cast of more fleshed out "companions" with more dialogue, more interactions, personal quests, and yes, romances. The devs put more energy and time into the companions, and you were expected to use them for your party.You're welcome, anon.
never played it but no
underrail clears the classics
>>3899274Does lilura have an onlyfans
>>3909592She must be on her forties by now.
>>3898438It's certainly up there, but I'm talking about Shadow of Amn only (with Throne of Bhaal not installed and the bonus merchants not inserted).
>>3909667All the more better.
>>3899245Meh. BG1 has a lot of charm, but the encounters are just really... basic. In fact, the whole game is just a little too slow and basic even for me. BG2 is just way more exciting and advanced in pretty much every aspect.
>>3899320And BG1 isn't powertripping picking on ankhegs and basilisks?
>>3909549It's all one game, anon. Literally the same engine with slight modifications between the two. Pretty much the same team made the whole damn thing. It's like reading a book and arguing over whether chapter 1 is better than chapter 2; aka it's retarded.
>>3909706>more betteresl
>>3909752BG1 is better than BG2 just as Don Quixote part 1 is better than Don Quixote part 2, despite both being books written by the same author about the same characters.
>>3909747>powertripping picking on ankhegs and basilisks?A reasonable player will full clear both maps once, and move on. If you’re compelled to attempt to break the game by unnecessary grinding simply because the game doesn’t stop you from doing so, then that’s a (you) problem. The game has relatively low XP caps anyway, especially when it first came out before the expansion.
>>3898438I'm playing it for the first time now. While I wouldn't really recommend the first game, its sequel is much better. I'm currently in act 2 - finished exploring Atkhatla, De'Arnise Hold, Umar Hills and Windspear Hills. I'm going to Trademeet and thinking about adding Rasaad to the team. Here's the thing. I've hit 1,250,000 experience which is the cap for newly recruited companions. Everything afterwards will be vastly underleveled. I'd like to avoid that.How viable is Rasaad (or monk in general) from level 13 onward?Will I suffer a lot without Thief in the party? I don't care much about backstabbing and setting traps. In theory I can bash chests and open them with Knock spell. Traps can be activated with summons. Still, I don't know how common are repeatable traps and unbashable locks.My team is Dwarven Defender, Keldorn, Minsc, Valygar, Yoshimo and Aerie.
>>3898460>soulless janky shitNope.
>>3911816>soulful janky gemfixed
>>3898438BG2 has been surpassed
>>3914348How, has it been surpassed?
>>3914459BG1
>Shadows of Amn>Throne of Bhaal not installed>bonus merchants not addedThis is the way.
>>3914686I don’t mind the bonus merchants, however I’d never abuse the helmet with simulacrum because I find it repulsively cheesy. There’s a few tasteful and reasonable items in there.
>>3914480shut up vro they are one big game
>>3915324I wish it was. Aside from MC stat selection the stuff you do in the first game barely affects the second. They're very disjointed, and the mods/TUTU/remakes just try to pave over this.
>>3915719>Aside from MC stat selection the stuff you do in the first game barely affects the second.Best I can do is three pieces of equipment.
>>3914693Vhailor's Helm is ridiculous. Minus well use the potion swap exploit.
>no choices >rpg what did anon mean by this?
>>3898540It would be by the right people.
>>3909770the exp cap pre-expansion was crazy low lol, even when i was a kid i edited it out in notepad
Can any of the companions get lv 9 mage spells? Are they even worth it? I don't want to play a mage.
>>3898438no but it may well have the comfiest cover
>>3898540YWNBAW
>>3899011For real. D&D isn't even a good TT system, and is disastrous for CRPGs
>>3898438Depends. If you grew up in the time where blobber-fatigue was a thing, Fallout wasn't your thing, cause postapo and then Baldur's Gate was a revelation, then BG2 was all that but more better? Yes. Personally I bounced off BG very hard initially, then tried a couple of time with the same result, then forced myself through BG1 with the "I kinda get it" impression, only to jump into BG2 and I still have not finished it. It's just not enjoyable for me. Similarly, Pillars 1 was kind of a slog to get through, but I appreciated it in the end, while Pillars 2 I can't force myself to play. There's just too much shit thrown at you all at once and that is just the story. I prefer a lot of player choice, I don't care for shitty romance quests and I also like some focus, as in, sidequests should not overwhelm the player to the point that he forgets about the main quest. Also, making some progress and suddenly you get pulled into a companion quest, while probably impressive back in the day, is kind of annoying now. For me, in terms of story, player choice and setting, Torment mogged everything back in the day and it still holds up, but nowadays, I do enjoy Icewind Dale games a lot more, simply because it feel like a tabletop RPG while, the other games don't.Also, RTWP sucks for DND, it could have been great with a dedicated, non-DND-inspired simpler system and Fallout Tactics was a good attempt at that. Turn-based on the other hand get boring fast, because all these games go out of their way to make it super tactical, while the 'tactical' thing is just min-maxing stats knowing what skills/spells to use and when. I don't enjoy BG2 most of the time, but I appreciate the work that went into it.What pisses me off about RPGs in general is that they still insist on DND formula, while tabletop has long moved on. XP for killing monsters and arbitrary 'levels', getting more health with each level so now you can take 3 sword stabs. It's unrealistic and stupid.
>>3898479Hank? Nooo!Eric? When did you get a sword?
>>3909373Romance in your video games is cringe. The games take place over the course of a few days, a few weeks at best, and all the lonely gamers want to ignore the conflict and leap right into the sack with some people you just met a few hours ago because their avatar is pretty or something.
>>3920279"you need to know someone all your life to fall in love" is a jewish psy-op invented by failed males that want to marry their mothers (the woman they have the most familiarity with in their entire life)
>Gorion never told you what happened to your brother.>He told me I didn't have any!>No, Charname. I am your brother.Why didn't BG2 have any great twists like the first game?
>>3920283>Pick a number between 1 and 10>No, 3 doesn't count, it has to be 1 or 10!>More than a few hours>All your lifeIt's almost like there's a whole range of options between those two scenarios."I am deeply in love with the first woman to talk to me for more than one minute" is a much bigger sign of a failed male.
>>3899306That's just how levels in DnD work. The enemies that pose a challenge to your party in BG2 don't hang out in random forests. BG2 had to escalate the threat levels and that only makes sense in larger dungeons that are proper villain lairs.
>>3920463>mfw Koveras was really SarevokGets me every time
>best rpg ever made?That would be persona 4
God I forgot how shit the writing in this game is.The dialogue reads like something written by redditors even though reddit didn't exist when it was made.And as soon as you leave the tutorial dungeon you are unceremoniously forced into what will turn out to be the main plot. The only available location is the slums and as soon as you arrive, you are forced to go with the shadow thieves guy to his hideout. There is no combination of dialogue options that would let you get out of this encounter, you will be put in an infinite loop until you agree to collect the 20k for them. It would be far less grating if they just did it in a cutscene, or let you ignore it and come back after you realize there is no other way to push the plot forward.
>>3921852RPGs are only good if they came out before Fallout or after Pillars of Eternity tbqhwy
>>3921994So you don't think a single good RPG was made between 1997 and 2015?So, Dark Souls, Morrowind, Skyrim, Final Fantasy 7, Diablo II, Gothic 1/2, Baldur's Gate 1+2, the entire Mass Effect series, the entire Witcher series, Fallout New Vegas, Star Wars: KotR 1+2, Dues Ex, Xenogears, Planescape Torment.... not a single one of these could be considered a good game?I don't think you're actually a fan of RPGs if you believe this.
>>3922038Correct, as evidenced by the long list of absolute trash you just named.
>>3922040Name your favourite rpg or your mother dies in her sleep tonight
>>3922053Eye of the Beholder (1991)
>>3922055That's an action game lol.
In today’s episode of>oh you think X is bad? Let’s hear what you think is better>Y, Z, etc…>lol Y and Z suck
>>3922128Good thing I'm an Æ chad
>>3922053The Dark Queen of Krynn (1992).
>>3922168Pidor Pidorowski go back to your vk retard
>>3898438Beat it two days ago for the first time (previously I wouldn't even get past chapter 1). It's honesty great but I prefer The Elder Scrolls and Gothic games. Still, the character progression (mainly magical loot), lively companions and fantastical locations with interesting quests make it a great RPG. The ending is also phenomenal.I'm planning to start Throne of Bhaal tomorrow.>>3898471The first game isn't even good and I'm surprised so many people even compare the two. Character progression is insanely slow, map is mostly empty with similar looking forest areas, the titular city has copy-pasted buildings with nothing interesting inside and my immersion went out the window the moment I encountered like sixth NPC who decided to murder me on the spot for entering a house.I assume Baldur's Gate 1 is for people who just prefer less complex and more free feeling games about adventuring. I guess that's fine, I liked the way I was creating my own story by picking my companions and road to travel.
>>3921852And another fan favorite, "you may now say what we want you to say, in one of those 3 flavors".
>>3923058>”you may now say what we want you to say, in one of those 3 flavors".Bet this guy ate it up when BG3 did it
>>3911036Monks aren't very good. They get a bunch of unique buffs to their AC and unarmed attack that theoretically help them keep up with martial classes but the number and strength of magical items in BG2 mean they get outclassed pretty significantly.Yoshi is somewhat narratively important and traps and locks are everywhere. Hang onto him then replace him with Imoen when you get her.
>>3923061BG3 is shit and gay and woke but this is one thing it doesn't do, lock you in an infinite dialogue loop until you agree to the singular option that the writers prepared for you. Or give you multiple options that say the same thing. Sure many of the lines in BG3 lead to the same outcome but you're saying something different.
>>3923075>lock you in an infinite dialogue loop until you agree to the singular option that the writers prepared for you.Go ahead, try to refuse the Emperor and not work with him.
>>3923076Doesn't that just kill you with a game over?
I just found this thread. I am playing through the game for the past 2 years very very slowly. I am at the port on my way to the prison where Imoen is captive.I played this game back in 2000 and the furthest I got was in the underworld where there's a bunch of beholders. I picked up the shield of reflection or whatever its called because fuck fighting beholders. I don't really know how to fight high powered mages or illitids.
>>3923079Yep, you can do it but it leads to a game over, you know, choice and consequences.
What I am asking is for tips to fight Illitids and high level mages who will cast all sorts of crazy spells?>>3923407
>>3923414You can soak up their more annoying spells with animate undead or other summons, or have a cleric use chaotic commands/freedom on a party member. Positioning is also important so their bullshit doesn't affect the entire party in one go.If you have Korgan he can also enrage and shrug off just about everything in the game.
>>3923410You must “agree to the singular option that the writers prepared for you”, or you get a game over. This totally isnt railroading, it’s just choice and consequences!
>>3923444Yes, realistically there are bound to be certain scenarios where you are unable to progress unless selecting a specific option. This is far superior design to older games where you were quite likely to be unlikely to even be given options in dialogue that resulted in a game over screen.
>>3923448>This is far superior design to older games where you were quite likely to be unlikely to even be given options in dialogue that resulted in a game over screen.But thou must!Personally, I find it far more offensive and immersion-breaking to have the developers offer a false choice and then ignore the players choice. I’d rather the game just say “this has to happen for the story to proceed” and get on with it. BG3 is full of those false choices. It makes the railroading far more apparent and less subtle.
>>3923455If something has to happen, with no alternative, then make it a cutscene or a monologue from an NPC, don't stop to wait for the player's feedback only to discard it.The BG3 approach is fine for the most part, some choices will just end in your character dying and that's fine.>you lie on the floor, wounded, feeling your life draining from you>the witch stands above you and puts a flask to your mouth>"drink this, quickly!">refuse>game over>WOOOOOWI don't remember if at the time of that conversation you really felt like you've exhausted all other options, though.
>>3923459>If something has to happen, with no alternative, then make it a cutscene or a monologue from an NPC, don't stop to wait for the player's feedback only to discard it.Agreed.>The BG3 approach is fine for the most part, some choices will just end in your character dying and that's fine.There were quite a few instances this of the game that bugged me though the one where you taunt Vlaakith and she just kills you I honestly though was fine, can’t say that’s not reasonable. Mostly as I was playing through the game, my suspension of disbelief was gradually eroded, and so I started noticing things that in other games I’d just give a pass and accept. Another one that irked me was in act 2, try to go down the road to the Absolutes army encampment for a sweet fight, you just get teleported to the oubliette and your character is forced to say “I should have known better!”. Super lazy. Or try to kill the red dragon in act 1, nope! Plot armor. There were several similar unwinnable fights early in DOS2 but the game at least acknowledged you won and rewarded you with cool uniques. There’s more examples but you get the point. BG3 to me just made me feel explicitly aware of the railroading due to its gamey nature, while in other games I’d just accept it as necessary.
>>3923074I'm the anon you responded to. Since I had made that post, I actually beat Shadows of Amn (>>3922867). In the end, I decided to recruit Rasaad in place of Yoshimo. The monk started okay - worse than my main fighters but better than Yoshimo. After several levels, he was basically on par with others thanks to high number of attacks per round with solid damage. I also give him bonus points for not needing Boots of Cheetah so now my whole team moves quite fast in Throne of Bhaal. I'm just annoyed by his Shadows of Amn's storyline which is badly written compared to the rest of the game.As for not having a rogue in my party - it didn't matter later in the game. Aerie was easily opening up whatever I couldn't bash with Crom Faeyr. I'm actually surprised how rare are high level locks and infinite traps in this game.>Hang onto him then replace him with Imoen when you get her.I told her to wait for me and she went to Copper Coronet by herself (from SPELLHOLD mind you).I'm honestly so irritated by how BioWare handled Imoen in this series. In the first game, I was told that she is an important friend so I had her in my team for the whole campaign... only for her to be silent throughout whole adventure and annoy me with her accent (polish version). Despite that, I wanted her in BG2... but then she got kidnapped. Half of the game later, I meet her severely undereleveled when I'm already used to my current party. Yea, no. She goes to Copper Coronet and stays there while I roleplay that it's safer there for her. Also, her dream sequences are annoying too.I'm only sad by the fact I missed Yoshimo's plotline (friend summarized it to me later).
>>3921852The only thing I have problems with is how much unnecessary reading there is. Approaching some unimportant NPC and seeing 6 different dialogue choices (which tend to randomly switch places and/or slightly change its wording whenever you pick one of them) gets tiresome.Well, this and Beamdog's content. Holy crap, the amount of sarcastic and cringy dialogue they added is insane. The worst examples would be Gorion Ward's dialogue choices in Rasaad's questline and Neera in general. Jesus Christ, Neera is Claptrap's level of unbearable.>>3923407>>3923414I am no expert on the game and I sincerely get lost in the amount of spells Baldur's Gate offers but from what I've experienced 'Remove Magic', 'Dispel Magic' and 'Breach' are your friends against defensive spells. Keldorn's version of Dispel Magic especially turns mages into punching bags.If there is a mage that knows Time Stop, I just use Wand of Summoning on his face so he is focused on trash mobs instead of my party members.As for Illithids... dunno, I just run up to them and murder them in melee. They are very squishy. If you don't have proper frontline firepower, either lead with summons or with one person who has good saving throws. There are tons of items which grant immunity to charm too. Priest spell 'Chaotic Commands' should let you basically steamroll Illithids.
>>3923613>be inquisitor paladin>wield holy avenger>dispel mages on hit>if necessary, cast dispel magic at double your levelGet wrecked, nerds
>>3915938same
>>3923609>webp.pngGod has abandoned us.
>>3924164>God has abandoned us.Have you abandoned Him?
>>3924164God would never abandon us just like Rasaad would never abandon Selûne, my dear anon.
>>3898438what were they thinking when instead of making a story about bhaalspawns they made a story about an incel wizard stealing shit from you? shit was incredibly disappointing
>>3923640>this pleb plays baby mode without scsget foebane'd fag
>>3925232Why would you make gambling harder on yourself?
What's the most optimal party? One tank, three archers and two mages or 1 mage and 1 cleric?
>>3925395In my last run I had 3x clerics. Dunno about optimal, but it was pretty funny gunning down demons and dragons in seconds with bolt of glory spam.
>>3925399Viconia, Imoen and Minsc?
>>3925404>6 mages for bg2I don't even want to imagine the micro.
>>3925400Viconia, CHARNAME and AnomenNeither Imoen or Minsc are clerics
>>3925413You're right. I was thinking of Aerie, not Imoen. And Minsc has one or two cleric spells
>>3925395>What's the most optimal party?One paladin with the XP cap removed. Import into BG2 and enjoy killing Kangaxx with turn undead.
>>3925399I like playing cleric parties just because I can have 5 skelingtons online at any time
>>3925409easy, remove enemy protections, lower saves and sr, damage, disable or kill spells
>>3925232>I download mods to make myself weaker, take that!Okay?
>>3898438Yes, objectively.Only a mentally challenged person would suggest otherwise.
>>3928289What's it like being a retarded faggot? I wouldn't know since I'm not a BG2 fanboy.
>>3928289LOOK AT ALL THIS BLAST I'M HAVING
>>3929488It's time to let go and move on, anon. Your seething is simply feeding the demon and making him stronger. This was a point we grasped as children, decades ago, yet it eludes you.
>>3929488>repeatedly click recursing option>implies that it's the game's flawThanks for proving that anon right.
>>3929488imagine taking the trouble make a webm that shows nothing but how retarded you are.
>>3929493>>3929494>>3929530>BG2 target audienceYou don't even realize what's wrong do you?
>>3929539Everyone with an IQ above 75 understands that these are just optional loredump questions that you are free to re-ask and get the same answers as many times as you'd like. Expecting anything else means you are too stupid to understand the point of the game.
Gonna try to finally beat the 1st game instead of abandoning my run halfway through like the previous attempts.Any idea what class would best fit this portrait? It’s the cutest of the vanilla ones imo and none of the portrait packs I found have a fitting artstyle.
>>3929587that’s a cleric, iirc elf or half elf. From the tutorial in candlekeep
>>3929584lol retard
>>3929613Gnome.
>>3929488Oh my god, you discovered the capslock key. Frankly, I'm absolutely amazed that you figured out how to get your AI spellcheck / autocomplete to post to 4chan for you. Like, how? Because wouldn't you have to be able to read in the first place to learn about any of this?
>>3929613She’s an elf invoker iirc. Thought about doing mage but neither elf nor half elf have kits I find appealing.
>>3929657Looks like you're right. Also, what the hell?>Bugs>Mordaine's portrait clearly shows her as an elf, although in the original Baldur's Gate she is a human mage during the training, and only an elf as the pregenerated character for import during character generation. In addition to this, Mordaine's portrait is assigned to the human Imoen in the prologue, before the latter can become a companion. It's also the replacer portrait for Imoen if the player chooses to use her actual one during character generation.
>>3898438Nope.
>>3929587Why does 'she' have a beard?
>>3929661>It's also the replacer portrait for Imoen if the player chooses to use her actual one during character generation.Isn’t that just because the game only has two fallback portrait options? Broken nose elf chick and imoens milf sister are the only unassigned female portraits
>>3898438Is fighter mage actually fun in this?Or just the meta choice
>>3929722You spend the entire game underpowered so that you can be overpowered for the final fight. Or possibly TOB, but why would you want to play that?
