And the WAITing continues...
>>4068246>>4068247>>4068249>>4068254>>4068258Wow, we're off to a great start!*laughs*
>*fixes your anthroshit designs*YOUR WELCOME
>>4068246>>4068247>>4068249>>4068254>>4068258>>4068261Are you this mad a thread was made earlier that you're spamming every copypasta now?
>>4068254It's the RAM crisis, devs had more computer RAM to work with back in the days when NES games came out on the Switch rental service but with things the way they are now, games like Deltarune in the left picture are made with less resources and as a result can't afford higher tier effects like real-time lighting.
>>4068275its probably just the guy who made the thread samefagging it to feign activity to force people over.
>>4068276Yeah that's what DR needs, flickering and the music cutting out every time a sound effect plays lmao
>>4068264what the fuck is that susie, where is her SNOOT>>4068289I would have preferred if toby just followed his mentor hussie's footsteps and made a webcomic with game elements instead of a "game", maybe it would be finished by now
>wanted to make the new thread before hitting the image limit as usual>decide to actually wait since the pace was still good and wouldn't take so long to reach the image limit>someone decides to make a new thread before hitting the image limitHonestly my fault for waiting, I should have just made it at around 2500 replies, I think that's what I'll do next time.
>>4068264The artist is a Fem Clover believer so I can't be TOO mad at him.
>>4068276Fun fact: Mina the Hollower have two times less resolution than NES games like Legend of Zelda. Indie games not meeting NES standards is pretty common.
>>4068306Yeah homosuck, the webcomic famous for finishing things on time
>>4068264>>4068315Who is the artist?
>>4068312Don't stoop to bad behavior just because someone else did, it just justifies everything the jannies think of DRfags
>>4068312thats /vg/ behavior, stop that.
>>4068241this is why rambfags don't deserve anything
>>4068273Great minds think alike.
>>4068319I think it's mikeart63115214 on baraag.
Freedom...https://files.catbox.moe/5bifnr.mp4
>>4068312Funny how one guy called you /vg/ behavior but not the literal spammer trying to ruin the thread because it was made too early.
>>4068367He's also a faggot
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>Filter out offtopic, spam, derail and bait>No posts leftHuh. Have an Orange, I guess.
>>4068377Sex with this cute human loli
The Knight if Toby's favorite game is Persona 4
>>4068379Recently ive been seeing more and more people interpret the Cyan soul as UT Kris and I couldn't be happier.
>>4068386That doesn't make much sense, The Fallen Child was the one adopted into full Dreemurr family, not the Toy Knife wielder.
>>4068389Toriel tried to adopt every human that fell into the Ruins. Some stayed with her, other immediately ran away.Patience Kris is also based around their connection with knives, ribbons and bandages (the healing item the Cyan soul uses in Omega Flowey is a bandage).Not to mention that in the 10th anniversary the place where you find the Faded Ribbon (Abandoned Town) has the Faint Courage and Darkness Falls motifs playing, Kris's game over themes.
>>4068396I hate that art, please never post it again
>>4068399You're pretty rude, buster.
>>4068357I see. I wanted to see if he drew the Undertale humans before.
Thanks anon you made a shit thread
>>4068377>Have an OrangeThis is a human thread so your post automatically flagged my filter too
Okay guys should we start this thread with gender discourse, 7B discourse or maybe another "TOBY PERSONALLY TORTURED ME" discourse?
>>4068367Honestly this thread deserves it, we had other threads we could have migrated to.
>>4068410Why not moss discourse?>WHEN THE DUNGEON HAS MOSS>bottom text
>>4068386I've seen that as well, it's pretty neat.>>4068389I'm not sure myself if Kris is supposed to be Chara or the cyan soul, they have strong parallels to the both of them.
i had a weird brain blast about deltarune and darkest dungeonthey're not related in the slightest but i remembered that dd has more intense music when the torch runs out, and the final boss is the heart of darknessthe ost is still one of my favouriteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svbGlUg1O3Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AssPJozJY6Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kz_XeuBNGI
>>4068413I THINK MOSS SUCKS.
>>4068410how about toby will personally torture femkris in 7b discourse?
>>4068410Chapter 5 was the best part of the game so far and people have memberberried the earlier parts of the game.
>>4068417>"Isn't this what you wanted?">"To get your vessel back?"
>>4068417This will happen but it's the Player doing the torture.
>>4068416In retaliation I summon the "Deltarune sucks because it's not an RPG" poster for the rest of the thread and I activate his special effect that makes people reply to him and incentivize him to keep posting even though we all know better than to give him attention. Probably shouldn't have hated on moss, huh?
>>4068422
>>4068423FUUUUUUUCK.
>>4068424If you swapped Kris and Noelle you'd get the TRUE and HONEST 7B experience.
>>4068411We have always migrated to a new thread after image limit is reached. Hopefully janny just nukes the spammer.
>>4068417Frisk and Chara will show up and mock her for being a shitty partner.
>under normal circumstances, rudy shouldnt be supportive of his sweet daughter that needs protection getting with the punk girl thats done nothing but bully everyone>if rudyknight is true, or is at the very least in on it, then that means rudy knows the prophecy. including "LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL">if rudy knows the prophecy then that means he knows what tragedy awaits, and it likely includes THE GIRL>susie is the girlthe only reason why rudy is supportive of suselle is because he knows that susie dies in less than a week.better to avoid the drama and just indulge your daughter for a few days than brand yourself as the bad guy while on your death bed.
>>4068423His NAME is CRUSADER of LIGHT.
>>4068427lolsounds goodHopefully one of our drawfriends will make it
>>4068433What a kind man, can't believe the EVIL Susie wants to beat him up for the crime of trying to copy Adachi (and also unleash the Roaring i guess)
>>4068427kek
>>40684107B NEEDS to be a Doom WAD where you murder all the Lightners.
>>4068443Hometown Massacre if it was in first person.
>>4068443>>4068450Hometown Massacre is on Twisted Sword route.After you reach LV20 you can Kill the simulation and fight Gaster directly.
>>4068453The Twisted Route should stop stealing everything it has from Side B.
Why did the moss become a required gaga in chapter 5? It was optional in all the other chapters and the game acts like you've been eating moss regardlessThe same with the last shadow crystal boss is acts like you did them all while at the same time the game not commenting if you only got the fourth crystal
>>4068453>>4068454Something that's often Forgotten is that Gaster does have Stats (in UT) which means that there WILL be a fight against him at some point
>>4068455The game assumes you've been playing it correctly I guess
>>4068455toby and the team forgot that the majority of the character moments are optional and treated them like they were all mandatory ch5 is really bad about this
>>4068457I know, but I think we're just gonna overpower him on such a level he gets shattered back to Undertale.
>>4068453Twisted Route is cope and doesn't make sense for Mantle to foreshadow it and not weird.
>>4068464Sure it doesSide B literally means the other side of tapeYou don't break the tape by turning it over
>>4068453Wait, you guys think there will be a third route?
>>4068455Retread of Chapter 1 where the moss was also just out in the open. you don't gotta eat it
>>4068467The weird route is about breaking the prophecy and Mantle is on the site exclusive about weird route foreshadowing.
since the ch5 moss interaction was mandatory, that means "THE HEROS SHALL INDULGE IN MOSS" is part of the prophecy.
>>4068457>>4068463>Fight takes place in the light world>It uses the Undertale UI Would it be kino or not?
>>4068473Yes.
kinoooooooohttps://youtu.be/z0i3sjeL60M
>>4068469There already is, pacifist and weird and aborted weird
>>4068478What about neutral
>>4068474Since both you and Gaster are meta beings above Deltarune the UI should be one that hasn't appeared before.
>>4068410how about some MICHAEL discourse?
>>4068479Aborted Weird is Neutral.
>>4068483Mike is real and probably knew about the Cats.
>>4068433>thrash your date's assWhy does Rudy want Noelle to join the 44% percent thats gross
>>4068487Noelle was a lesbian already with Kris he already accepted his fate.
>>4068481>Fight takes place in your computer desktopKino or too much?
The game wouldve better if it let you have kriselle
>>4068490Console Port.
>>4068485>OG mike warned tenna that he shouldnt let spamton sign on>we dont know how long the cats have been chasing spamton>one of the reasons why spamton is presumably being hunted for giving noelle a protection pipis>ramb got yoinked because he introduced you and kris to the friend pack and their handler.>OG mike is probably gone because he tried to warn tenna about the FRIEND pack
>>4068492Console ports always ruin that type of shit. They ruined Flowey and don't even get me started with DDLC
>>4068491This but if self inserters didn't spend all day seething about not getting pandered to
>>4068495Well we get cool Borders and you don't!!
Kriselle shippers would disappear overnight if Kris was confirmed female
>>4068495DDLC was impressively bad with its handling of the direct meta stuff, at least UT sort of made it work
>>4068498Fake Kriselle shippers don't deserve them.
>>4068496Rpgs are for self inserting
The mystery box shit is so obnoxious that we still do not even know what a Deltarune is even though it's the name of the game
>>4068498Not really, I like both hetero and yuri relationships.Most Kriselle artists are even yurifags.
>>4068495Flowey was pretty good in console, though.
>>4068503CoL...
>>4068414who said you can't you be two colors at once
Can I just say that chapter 2 had the weakest soundtrack out of all of them so far
>>4068491What if I don't WANT Noelle?
>>4068508>makes you red and blue>then purple in the rematchPoetry
>>4068511Seth, too, is a Kris parallel.
What if that thing inside the Knight's chest is a fetus because the Knight is pregnant?
>>4068518It looks like an eye to me
>>4068508>Kris is both Aqua and Chara>Isn't nearly as sexy as these twoSad. Sometimes a fusion is the lesser of its parts.
>>4068518It's a representation of Rudy's lung disease. There's a reason why the knight looks sick.
>>4068509What world do you live in? 2 had one of the better soundtracks.
>>4068516Seth is one of the few instances where being nonbinary is thematically relevant because of course a flower wouldn't understand human genders since none of them except Flowery can pull off being a human properly
Does Flowery hate Kris? I don't understand his feelings toward Kris specifically, at the very end. Flowery knows so much I thought it was soft implied he told Susie about the code so she would get it, not Kris. On top of knowing Kris opened the fountain too.
Game should have let you get the code yourself
>>4068507you know very well many on /vrpg/ believe that, right?
>Uuuu!Shut the fuck up.
>>4068529It's probably a situation that is kind of the inverse of Ralsei. I'm sure Flowery genuinely likes Kris, but unlike Ralsei, he's not just gonna let Kris do whatever he wants, which is what Ralsei's doing, he knows Kris is making fountains, but isn't doing anything to stop it, Flowery on the other hand is doing something about it through telling Susie about the codes and such. He isn't directly confronting Kris, but he is trying to not make the plan go as smooth as Kris wants.
>>4068537>there are dozens of us! dozens!So you, your soul, your vessel, your goner, your darkner, any other yous you wanna name?
>>4068534>>4068537CoL...
>>4068529Flowery is a bit bitter and doesn't trust Kris but he does still see some good in him, notably when he tells Kris to continue fighting if you fail the QTE slash
>>4068529He thinks Kris has failed Asgore as one of his loved ones and perceives what he's doing as an attack on Kris's place in the universe. But he's not malicious, more disappointed.
>>4068529Flowery knows Kris changed and is now doing evil stuff, and he doesn't want Kris to do his evil plans.
>a bunch of people know someone powerful is doing objectively bad things and letting people get hurt but won't do anything about it until it's too lateDid Tobers predict the future?
>>4068509>>4068524OST comparison time>UTLegendary work, great variety in every aspect and fits the game perfectly.>Chapter 1Good follow up, good variety of leitmotifs but I feel there is a little too much orchestral works.>Chapter 2Amazing with the variety of leitmotifs and how they are used, but leans a bit harder into chiptune and quirky songs.>Chapter 3None of Tenna's songs is the best of all, but many are high up and them as a group are the best use of a single leitmotif Toby has ever done. However, there is a lack of variety of leitmotifs and songs for other moments.>Chapter 4Very lacking in variety, it's mostly the dark sanctuary leitmotif and Gerson's recycled UT stuff. It's a very good attempt at Square Enix style songs, but those never had been the brand of UT/DR.>Chapter 5A little less lacking in variety BUT has way too many recycled songs and guest composers. Some decent songs but it's easily Toby's worst output so far since starting his original works.
>>4068501>Fake Kriselle shippersSays the guy who keeps spamming drawings made by the same dyke artist. I bet that your Kriselle folder has fewer than 1k files.
>>4068548the mike guy actually>>4068546Have you ever bothered checking the RPG definition threads here? Some people really just want a chatbot-esque story with a fantasy game over it.
>>4068559>Have you ever bothered checking the RPG definition threads here?Nope
>>4068556I don't know if this is considered a "hot take" but i think Undertale's music is way better than Deltarune's overall
>>4068559CoL posts in a lot of threads here, it's not crazy to assume it's just him.
>MY BOOGIEMAN IS EVERYWHERE!you are mentally ill. please seek help.
>>4068565I still don't get who they're always talking about and why this guy is stuck in their heads.
>>4068558>complains about anon posting art made by a dyke>posts art that was edited to change "them" to "him"Funny.
>>4068566thats how it usually goes with made up boogiemen.
>>4068566I might be remembering shit wrong, but he is a schizo from the fangame threads
>>4068568Unedited one here by the way, in case someone doesn't believe me.
>>4068563Like how many things the episodic release hurts, the UT OST not being done in huge chunks separates by years helps that.Ch1 lacks a lot of key leitmotifs like Lost Girl, and some leitmotifs like Prophecy don't get used as often as they deserve.Meanwhile, the only important motif the UT demo lacked was Asriel.I do also find lackluster how nearly every area song in Deltarune tries to be like Another Medium or CORE. It lacks the more laid back ones like Snowy or Ruins.
>>4068573weird to think how hard Deltarune sexualizes Ralsei in every way except actually showing off his body
>>4068565>t. guy who is obsessed with other boogeyman that posts things he dislikes instead
>>4068577Strange that "those" people haven't gone after Toby for that too since he's "minor presenting" or whatever retarded terms they use
>>4068566CoL is (was) a namefag with very specific opinions and takes about Deltarune, the creator of the infamous "complete the mission" YouTube comment. He doesn't even deny that he exists and usually accepts and responds to those he calls out so I don't get why that anon always sucks him off, probably because he agrees with his takes so he feels singled out
>>4068558>himBased
>>4068574I think Scarlet Forest is pretty laid back but yeah, that's the only one i can think of that is on that "Snowy and Ruins" tier. Maybe Card Castle too
>>4068556I don't mind recycling songs especially since they're remixes and the guest composed stuff isn't anywhere near my least favorite songs from 5, but I feel like it suffers from the returning songs not meshing well with the tone of 5's original compositions
>>4068567>>4068573>>4068575>>4068582Great, this schizo is spamming again.
>>4068567I could save the maker of this image a couple hours by just saying "old game visuals were based on real life and new game visuals are based on old video games"
>>4068590And there's really nothing wrong with that. The people who want to make video games should be the ones making video games, and the people who want to make video games are people who fucking play them.
>>4068577He literally shows off his feet in that same chapter
>>4068590The problem with that is that he doesn't want an answer; if he did he would have stopped spamming them years ago. It's obvious engagementbait
>>4068509this is trueas with the rest of ch2, spamton hard carries it
>>4068592I'm not saying it's a problem I'm saying that pic is a waste of time
>>4068593He wasn't trying to be sexy with it he was desperately trying to prove he was cute to Orange
>>4068590The "maker" of that image is a schizo spamming images to reach image limit.
"muh graphics" fags completely forgetting card castle which has like no visuals yet still looks distinct and well designed
>>4068595Spamton was a blessing and a curse. He's an 11/10 in an otherwise 7-8/10 game so he makes everything else look worse
>>4068573kris demands ralsei wears the dress when ralsei unleashes the 12 inches on her
Why do jannies show up instantly to delete posts about you know who but not actual depriment spam?
>>4068606You know why
>>4068606Because being here is meant to be a punishment from the jannies and they actively try to make the experience worse. This post might get deleted for saying this.
>>4068603it's the problem where ch2 really looked like the game was going to start proper only for toby to make it screech to a halt in ch3, push it forwards slightly in 4, only to stop it again in 52 moves fairly naturally, to the point where it doesn't fit with the following chapters artificially stalling
>>4068585I don't know exactly how to explain, but even Scarlet Forest has that "loud and epic" vibe most DR areas have.Take Ruins, the "peak" moment of the song is quite mild:https://youtu.be/oHZDWwW6iXs?t=61But even Scarlet Forest goes into this grand loud finale like many other songs in DR do: https://youtu.be/6P5iPI1FjO8?t=108I feel only My Castle Town and A Town Called Hometown have reached that UT vibe, but those are hub songs.>>4068586The returning songs would be fine on an album by other artists like there already are, but they really stick out here.And that many composers on a Toby Fox game feels like missing the point real hard.
>>4068610>"""important questions""">literally just spammed bait threads reposted from /v/
Retards stop replying to obvious trolls. Is this your first day on the internet or what?
>>4068609I think jannies will nuke this thread rather than wipe the schizo honestly.
>>4068609I feel like the jannies here actually delete spam if enough people report it like what happened with that one thread that time
>>4068613To be fair this is actually a valid criticism.
>>4068623I see a lot of people mention it but i think i'm too retarded to ever notice a game's FPS because it has never been a problem for me in any game
>>4068622his excuse was 'my art looks like shit and i don't want to make the other actual artists' art looks bad by having my shit there'unfortunately, doing this made him come across as a pretentious faggot
>>4068625It means you dont know any better, good for you honestlyI know people that cant tell when a game has 10 frames of input lag
>>4068627That is very retarded
>>4068628>>4068626You can just mod the game to be 60fps so this is a non issue
This thread is being raped harder than Kris was.
>>4068623I don't think anyone really defends this outside of Toby being given some slack for UT being his big breakout game or whatever anyway. There really isn't much of an excuse for DR the nigga's just being lazy
let the schizo have his 40 minutes of "fun" just hide his posts and dont acknowledge it
>>4068633he was always wokebut what woke meant in the 2000's is different than what it means today
>>4068636That is if the jannies nuke him and not the thread.
>>4068639You know there is no source for that claim, right?
>>4068639did she leave him for his bully? cuz I heard susie was also based on his bully
>>4068611Looking back at the predictions, nearly everyone had assumed Chapter 2 was the Snowdin of Deltarune with how it sets up the template the full game would follow.And then nothing there happened ever again, except a little bit in chapter 5, only to be made clearly it definitely won't happen again in the game.Our best guess is chapter 4 being a good representation of the final chapters, but even that is up in the air. We might end up with 7/8 chapters that feel nothing like eachother.
yawn, I miss the days of spamming muffet on /v/
>>4068647Chapter 6 will be an interlude chapter and 7 will be everything at once
>>4068612Unrelated but listening to these songs all these years later gave me chills here.I doubt Sunset of Seven Suns will ever do that to me in comparison.
>>4068647I like that Reverse UT theory is still running despite the bumps in the road
>>4068653I'll say it again, chapter 6 will probably be just a repeat of what the 2nd and 3rd sanctuaries were, but without any of the actual interesting stuff from the 1st sanctuary.Just a boring repeat of chapter 4 with a single intriguing (but not necessarily good) thing about the story.In the other hand, 7 and specially 7b can be absolutely anything right now (but again, not necessarily something good).
>>4068662I actually have a weird feeling Chapter 6 will be mostly on Castle Town for some reason, finally exploring the middle door. Until Noelle makes a fountain in the hospital and triggers the Roaring.
>>4068661I really don't understand how Toby wants people to see Deltarune as something more than just Undertale, yet made the final shadow crystal bosses both Undertale nostalgia wank while mocking fans who wanted more Jevil/Spamton type characters.
>>4068667>Replying to the spam
>>4068658It's fucking insane how out of ALL pattern faggotries, this was the one to hold up for so long.And it's not even a good pattern, it severely holds back what you can do with the story and doesn't make sense for the snowdin equivalent to show up so late in the game.
>>4068670yeah I'm retarded sometimes
I blame the guy who made the thread early
>>4068671>doesn't make sense for the snowdin equivalent to show up so late in the gameWhat do you mean by that?
Yeesh, did the janny mistake another rando for a kid or something again?
>>4068666I think that door (which among many others we can't even interact with in chapter 5) is just the way for Ralsei's fountain.But I do feel we're overdue for exploring the castle town outskirts after chapter 1. Maybe we'll finally go the classroom in the left side?
>>4068542We love Aqua and her funny phrase here
>>4068674i wouldnt be surprised if he's the one spamming the thread
>>4068674It's always the battatfags
>>4068676The jarring tonal shift we've been discussing for weeks here.Hotland may not have been as gloomy as Waterfall but it wasn't cheerful like Snowdin. but ch5 belongs next to 2, not 4.
>>4068658I was always its biggest defender and was vindicated hard for it.
>>4068683Oh ok i see what you mean
oh my fucking god is this one of those archive spambots?
>>4068687Hold on, explain to us how will chapter 6 reflect Ruins and if the True Lab will be reflected by 7, 7b, 0 or even all at once?
>>4068677No anon you are going to get banned for mentioning that!
>>4068691I wonder how long it will keep going since /vrpg/ threads can last days, if not over a week
>>4068678I don't know, I just feel like we have to explore Castle Town eventually and it can't be in 7 anymore, plus it would explain why there's no more funny adventures like 5. Castle Town is also a very ruins like area, being the literal HOME of a lot of darkners.
>>4068683Hotland is very, very cheerful though, but Undertale didn't have tone shifts as drastic as Deltarune in general.
>>4068693True Lab was Mantle, but there's a lot of ways it can mirror the ruins, both the ice palace and Castle Town are good ruins mirrors, and a lot of characters can be a guardian like Toriel.
>ai generated copypastasWe are reaching new low
>>4068691It's the anti Undertale/Deltarune schizo from earlier spamming because the thread was made earlier.
>>4068647>And then nothing there happened ever again, except a little bit in chapter 5, only to be made clearly it definitely won't happen again in the game.Chapter 5 actually follows a similar structure to the first two chapters (Field area -> Middle area -> Castle area)>Chapter 1 has Field of Hopes and Dreams -> Scarlet Forest -> Card Castle>Chapter 2 has Cyber Field -> Cyber City -> Queen's Mansion>Chapter 5 has Garden of Hopes and Dreams -> Cliffs -> Flower CastleAlthough now that I'm typing this out, I think most of that is just Toby purposefully aping Chapter 1's structure for le nostalgia, which is its own can of worms.
Jannies won't do anything about this even if you report them by the way.
>>4068713Why are we pretending it isn't one of them having a full on meltdown?
>>4068680Why the fuck would I spam my own thread with AI generated essays?If I wanted to shitpost, I would use something that's human made
>>4068713but if you post THAT chat image they go feral
>>4068717i can safely say that everything i liked about this chapter were either the 'not intended' things to do at the festival or aquaweird route nonwithstanding, there's a reason why people care about it more than the entire chapter despite it being maybe 20 minutes tops
>>40687113 and 4 have that, too.>Chapter 3 goes from board 1 to board 2 to TV World>Chapter 4 goes to Dark Sanctuary to Second Sanctuary to Third SanctuaryIt's always a three act structure.
>>4068707he is spending money to shitpost lol
>>4068723>>4068670
>>4068722An image from a public chat by the way
>>4068727fug im retarded
I wonder how much of this is delayed assblast from the Rollpedos in that Mega Man thread (or perhaps it's a schizo from today that was in that blue futa penis thread that only got wiped when Deltarune was getting mentioned)
why don't we simply eat the spammer and the jannies?
>>4068731Im a rollpedo, did something happen?
>>4068736We are banished and powerless.
>>4068711But chapter 5 is painfully tongue in cheek about it, straight up recycles things like the Garden, and notably lacks one of the major things about 1+2 which was the original schizoboss. Pink is conceptually a lamer repeat of the Gerson subversion of expectations and is tonally closer to the Mikes or Trashy Trio than the other actual secret bosses.>>4068724It's not just about 3 acts, it's about 3 unique locations with the last one being the chapter boss's lair.The boards are even more fake than the dark worlds and don't play like a normal area at all, and TV World isn't Tenna's lair, it's the entire explorable dark world. And the church areas are just too repetitive and there is no traditional chapter villain there.
>>4068724Think he meant it more in like literal structure of the area rather than the formula.Like you can't replay the Boards and Second Sanctuary is unavailable once you complete it for example. And even then they don't follow the pattern of going from a field like area and ending with a castle or sorts.You can also backtrack to almost any segment of 1, 2, and 5 and do their optional sidequest boss at any point (assuming you don't attack Spamton anyway)
>>4068737I wasn't there but from what i understand someone was posting cropped CP on a Roll thread and it stayed up for hours until people started posting Deltarune in the thread so it got deleted
>>4068746it almost certainly has something to do with kris, as most languages have inherent gendering which would make kris being they/ them either gibberish or impossible and most languages would just default kris to male pronouns based off of kris' first appearance alone
>>4068742>which was the original schizobossThis is technically fulfilled in the form of Mew Mew and kind of an inverse of Spamton whose boss fight is a retread of Mettaton EX
>>4068748thats pretty funny
>>4068747Post more sexo, maybe some human or flowers. The more the merrier until janny arrives
>>4068751>>4068670
>>4068751what pronoun does the japanese translation use, they dont have a they afaik
>>4068758i think the spambot's done, dude.
>>4068742>>4068743That's fair, I just meant all chapters have a 3 area structure, but 3 subverts that by using the boards while 4 subverts it by not having a villain lair. 5 is probably tonally similar to be a bookend to the funny adventures.
>>4068762At least post Undertale/Deltarune characters.
>>4068606We've been sentenced to the Punishment Pit after getting under the staff's skin and personally offending the co-leader with our autism and defiance. Naturally, after conceding /v/, it is meant to be as unpleasant as possible since we still spite them by not going to /vg/. There is careful monitoring to make sure we wallow in our own shit but don't bark back too much.But I'm gonna be honest, posting here is more trouble than it's worth. I have other boards and other board events to get to. There's one coming up soon that I WILL NOT miss participating in because of /v/ or /vrpg/ faggotry. I might lurk instead of totally abandoning the threads, but I doubt I'd be missing much when it's the same people saying the same things and never, ever changing their tunes. God damn, I need Chapter 6.
>>4068768yesi was torn asunder when i witnessed the majesty of YIIK
>>4068770is this the guy who got butthurt when his mother 3 spam thread got turned into a deltarune thread that one time
>>4068754Goes to show what the staff's priorities are
>>4068772I know you are spamming, but Ive never played any of those
>>4068777And from here Ive only played contra
>>4068780>marketedhuh???
>>4068769See you tomorrow.
>>4068784See you next year.
>>4049976>>4033883>two other empty threads that sperg has to fill up too
>>4068612>they really stick out here.I feel like that was the point so that aspect didn't bother me. With how out there Flowery's presentation was the music fit the situation imo. Actually my only real problem the theming of nostalgia felt misdirected, I'd have preferred if it was geared more toward whatever was in Asgore's past instead, the visuals of each level in the game have been so specific and iconic up to this point that just reusing stuff from 1 seemed kind of lazy. It makes sense from the perspective of 1 coming out years ago but in a full game 1 only happened like 15 hours ago, it's like going back to Midgar right after Junon. >And that many composers on a Toby Fox game feels like missing the point real hard.I liked the music but the fact that this is supposed to be his personal epic kino and it's already getting too many cooks in the writers room made 5 notably lacking in the story department.
>>4068615As much as youtubers are faggots for doing these kinds of videos, toblerone's games unironically did break you.
>>4068619What if it was? Would you apologize?>>4068623Switch 2 version (not compatible with Switch) will get a 60fps version.
>>4068797>toblerone's gamesyou mean the thing hussie did or????
>>4068636The funniest part of the Snowdin comparisons is that Undertale's visuals are iconic and nobody remembers these random NES games no matter how good they looked.
>>4068645Nta but uhhh...
>>4068647Based chapter 5 weird already told us that literally nothing will happen in 6 just like nothing happened in 5.
>>4068677Gave me a warning for responding to the guy about the MM thread but apparently spamming is fine.>>4068678We're barely allowed to be in Castle Town proper but I guess I'd like to see more of it.
>>4068820>>4068822I know these are just being used to flood the thread but does anyone have an archive to those delcatty comics?
>>4068773I actually saw a YIIK cosplayer at a local con the other week. ngl, it was quite a surreal view.
>>4068815Explain? You mean that obvious dude who is with him in the photo? How does that explain anything you said?
>>4068700I think the reason 1 and 4 feel more like UT is because the primary antags actually want the main characters dead, all the rest are basically nice-ish people put at odds with the protags who they would otherwise get along with.
He's not even posting things related to the topic anymore...
>>4068707This was probably the least funny joke in the chapter, it was so forced. Had to be a guest writer, the pacing for it didn't feel very Toby.
>>4068831I always felt like Chapter 1, 2 and 5 were more like Undertale, Papyrus and Toriel didn't want Frisk dead either.
>>4068833he must've realized that with how long these threads last the real way to hit them is to spam images.
>>4068843The only based post in this thread
>>4068573Can't believe chapter 5 turned rouxls into a ntr loving pedo groomer
Thank you janny.
>>4068769>I doubt I'd be missing muchI was thinking of reposting one of several heavily reposted images in the thread later if you want to see that
[scout] yeah nah alright ya did a pretty good job there
Thank you janny for freeing us.
Oh yeah that was a schizo meltdown allright
>>4068796Yeah I applied to be a janny so I could make sure vidya butt threads stay up longer than a few minutes but the recruiter asked how many dicks I suck in under a minute so I had to dip out>>4068830It means the proof is that the image was posted and the post was made in general, it's self evident and cyclical.
>>4068747>This wasn't deleted MODS=GODS
>>4068856kek
>>4068747>>4068856Real heroes never die...
>>4068850>that one post that just says "deleted" 100 timesWhen will mods do their FUCKING job
>>4068832I always felt like 1, 2 and 5 were more like Undertale, Papyrus and Toriel are a huge part of it and they never try to kill Frisk, too. 4 never felt Undertale like.
we attached an eyelid speculum to this anon's head, strapped him to a chair and forced him to watch Deltarune videos for 72 hours. the result may shock you!>>4068724laying it out like this, it's somewhat understandable why Toby ended up cutting the third board out of chapter 3. kinda wish there was some way to access it, but it would've bogged down the pace of the chapter to a fairly obnoxious degree
>>4068860It's been a while since I played 2 but 5 feels like what people who don't like UT and never played it think it's like
>>4068558this dess is now my favorite. good lord what a beauty. I swear the white fur on the "under" spots adds such a layer of eroticism its unreal
Which character do you want to beat up the most?
>>4068865really hard 4 way tie between all the party members
>>4068865Kris.
>>4068865I think I just wanna fight the Fun Gang. Not out of hate but it just sounds like a fun time
>>4068856>It's still upMODS=GODS indeed
>>4068865i want to fight normalnpc, i need to know what power he holds
>>4068868>I just think it would be really fun and cool to try and kill these guys who have nothing against me and will try wacky moves and flirting to appease me until my violent rage endsSadistic monster
According to cheese theory, Kris is a mouseWe're going to save Kris from FRIEND and she'll be grateful
>>4068871I just think it'd be fun if we thrash each others asses y'know?
>>4068865Susie and Ralsei. Not out of hatred, but I just can't wait for Kris to backstab them to their faces and see them fight each other.
>>4068410Oh poor anon had no idea of what would happen
This spammer is out of control >>4062351Everybody migrate
>>4068876Based Slowpoke Chad
>>4068874I'd love to beat the shit out of Ralsei just to get a reaction from him, please, stand for yourself, I beg you
>>4068871You ever hear of the concept of Sparing? No not- not SPARE-ing, SPAR-ing.
>>4068865Susie
>>4068879...did you mean SPARRING?
>>4068879Stop raping
>>4068881Right, sorry I forgot it is actually spelled differently lol. Sparring, where two people test each other's combat skills against one another for sport/practice. You can absolutely beat each other up without any real malice attached
>>4068885I think that would be a cool dojo fight
>>4068887It'll happen the day Jigsaw Joe and the rejects reclaim the Dojo (Which is never. Love wins)
holy shit is there nowhere I can just go to talk about this game in peace?>/v/janny deletes it>reddit"um, kris is nonbinary" "Thanks for the correction! I deeply apologize and it won't happen again!">vgtenna and spamton spam>vrpgspammer who doesn't like the game but won't just leave the threadwtf I just want to talk about this game I love. the discussion after 3 and 4 was so fucking good it was one of the best times of life just talking about the game. my god please just let me have this.
>>4068892>tenna and spamton spamYou fucking wish>fave fave fave fave all caps lolsoranbum post fave fave fave fave fave faveSHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT FAVE ALREADY
>>4068892It's time to come home, Western Man
>>4068895That place looks gay
>>4068895>not anonymousHELLFUCKINGNO
>>4068895I tried to use this site when Chapter 5 released but was flashed with like 5 threads celebrating Ralsei is confirmed trans and also something about Noelle being a trans man
>>4068895Tired of stubbing your toe? Why not just cut the whole fucking leg offI'll take my chances here, thanks
>>4068898>but was flashed with like 5 threads celebrating Ralsei is confirmed trans and also something about Noelle being a trans manthere’s really something to be said about how these people will call every feminine character trans (for self-inserting) but never the masculine ones
>>4068895Gay. Gay. Homosexual. Gay.
>>4068902I don't like lolisI think those guys made a good job of gatekeeping their place because I sure don't want to be there
>>4068902So, you're saying 4channers dont like... the exact thing theyre trying to gatekeep? What a shocker, we dont like what the people we are gatekeeping do, we truly are no better than them
>>4068895For real though, shit like this feels like a big monkey’s paw, the idea of having a well-made forum for something popular in 2026+ sounds like a breath of fresh air and it’s certainly visually pleasing, but I’ve seen screencaps of idpol type of topics and posts there and I realize it’s just another flavor of enforced crazy
>>4068905>offtopic and spam get way more trafficYep...that's my DELTA RUNE fanbase, alright.
>>4068905>>4068902honestly I don't even care if they have their own threads of "IS RALSEI POGGIN TRANS?" and all that but if I make a thread, will they come into MY thread and try to correct me on what gender kris is and such?I can almost guarantee they will. theres the difference. The inability to leave well enough alone.
>>4068892be the change you wish to seewhat do you want to talk about?
>>4068911Nta but I'd like to talk about how just for wish fulfillment purposes I'd have liked it if dark world food and accommodations worked as though they were real and that the dark world was what that place in the light world turns into wholesale rather than it basically being a magic delusion.
>>4068912We got the real Susie in this thread guys
>You do route A and become motivated to do route B, but Ramb thinks that's boringMantle is definitely route C
If I make a thread about the Halloween Hack I'm gonna get killed on sight but I genuinely do have thoughts about it separate from Deltarune. I found some aspects of it deeply compelling underneath the cringe dialog. Varik's unexplained intrusion on the world of Earthbound causing the timeline to get fucked up and for the kids to get lost after defeating Giygas, and Andonuts' pathetic juvenile lashing out at the world caused by his guilt and repressed homosexuality, there are definitely some really good ideas here. The gameplay is, also, WEIRDLY fun! Everyone describes it as bullshit but you have the tools and basically every battle requiring some strategy is really fun for me, at least in a short game like this. Maybe there should be a remake with touched up dialog.
>>4068879>t.orange
>>4068912there would never be a reason to leave the dark worlds then, and susie would live in the closet forever
>>4068912I imagine you'd already get this but I think that's part of the point, the dark worlds are supposed to fulfill you in ways the light world cant and vice versa, that's why the balance between the two is so important. It's nice to dream, and the dark worlds let you do just that, but at some point you need to wake up or you'll be asleep forever
>>4068917The fountains and knight and all can still be threats, the party can have its topcake and eat it together
>>4068915In the future Toby will make the sequel Mother 3: Christmas Hack
>>4068920But he's already 5 chapters in. The darkness is the black dragon's power trying to manifest Kris' wish while everyone is trying to stop it
>>4068908To be fair, that's just how forums are in general.
>>4068913Shut up.
>>4068915Also, I think it's more complicated than "the game wants you to feel bad for killing Andonuts"Andonuts is a bastard. He turned Winters into a wasteland and caused the deaths of probably dozens of people by the point we meet him. No one should feel bad for Andonuts, but maybe you should feel a little teeny tiny bit bad for doing Evangelion angel mindrape shit to him before finishing the job. Maybe that part was slightly excessive.
Reminder that all UT/DR humans are shotas until proven otherwise. Sorry lolifags!
>>4068926...
>>4068915I might give this and his other romhacks a shot. It's intriguing that they all have ideas that he's still refining to this day.
>>4068929They’re shotas in the base game but lolis in Toby’s 10th anniversary master copy
>>4068927Not to mention, remember where Winters is specifically, some of those casualities couldve been children if it reached far enough to hit Jeff's school
>>4068559>chatbot-esque story What is that
>>4068936I'm guessing they mean chatbots in general where you can do whatever you want and not get interrupted by the game doing stuff you don't want
>>4068938But thats not a game, is it? That would just be a visual novel without the visuals
>>4068939If nothing else it's more interactive I guess
Dearkhart is your own fault.
I imagine living a dark world forever would just feel like living a life where you're in an otherwise empty room with just a computer and a single game always open. Ignoring the food problem, that would get old very quickly, there's only so much to talk to the chess pieces about
>>4068942I tried interacting with a chatbot they forget everything
I didn't even think about this until earlier but Maddie is the first Lightner who legitimately wants to kill you.Berdly thought it was just a dream and was playing along. Maddie was so committed to staying in the Dark World she was willing to kill her neighborsIt's one thing for the Mad Dummy to attack you in Undertale but Maddie has literally watched Kris grow up and still wants Kris and Susie dead
>>4068947They can be fun but the free models suck. The paid ones...suck slightly less.
>>4068949Did i mention how much the mad ghost sucks?
>>4068949I like that they both fucking murder you regardless
>>4068949Can you blame him?
>>4068954YesRalsei should have roasted that ghost like in deltatraveler and set that poor girl free
>>4068949Remember, as long as you arent a player character, murder is always justified and forgiven
Is my lore outdated or is it still implied that Noelle fucking with glitches created FRIEND
>>4068956Pink is better with Maddie, nobody likes a woman who is a pure vanilla doormat with a flat bland script. Maddie properly punches up Mew's dialogue and adds flavor to the writing.
>>4068960I don't think soThe other ghost shouldn't be taking over tenna eitherGrossThis stranger shouldn't be getting involved in the events of the impending apocalypse
>>4068959nothing in game contradicts thatalthough there isn't really much in the game that supports it eitheriirc noelle does mention her blog in ch5, so that exists
>>4068946I have everything I want inside, and yet the mental turmoil just builds up if you never go outside and then you'll turn into a schizophrenic.I really gotta try to work on that more (just expensive to go out there)
>>4068946The dark world is literally just real life but cooler and better.
>>4068958don't even know how she's sure it isn't a dream or some crazy ass tripi guess she doesn't care until Susie tells her they can just chuck her ass in the closet
Marche vs Susie in a battle for the ages
>>4068949Does Maddie even MENTION recognizing Kris at all? You'd think that'd come up but it seems like all she talks about is Asgore
>>4068965yeah except none of the food cures your hunger, there's no drinkable water, you cant get good sleep, there's no natural light, you need to piss on something eventually and without a toilet that piss isnt leaving, and one day someone trying to grab some chalk is going to walk in on you rolling around in your own fecesother than that its just the real world but better
Thought: the ritual to summon a demon Catti mentioned performing with Kris wasn't summoning FRIEND or the soul or anything like that, it was accidentally learning how to create dark worlds, and Catti didn't stick around for it, so she has no idea what went on in there and didn't become entangled in any prophecy stuff or go on a JRPG adventure with Kris, who's clearly been dicking around in dark worlds for a very long time
>>4068976she does in an earlier chapter, and she brings up noelle in her fight so she does know it's kris in the dwshe just doesn't give a shit
>>4068978I never thought about that but i think it is a likely possibility
>>4068973Susie shouldn't have enabled that piece of shit
>>4068981Yep, that sounds like your average NEET.
>>4068976probably a bit but she also calls him "blue person" so she might not know him all that well
>>4068987It wouldn't surprise me if Maddie/Napstablook/Mettaton don't know the Dreemurrs that well outside of Asgore since he used to be police chief
>>4068989You'd think she'd recognize the literal only human in town though, and if not be confused where a second human came from
>>4068990that's probably not it. more like Kris is either noted down as just "Asgore's kid" or if unrecognizable because of the getup, just a stranger.remember, her unofficial little sister's a flower posing as a rat thinking she's human. for someone who's already a little crazy and easy to trigger it's probably not out of the question that she's not thinking much about it beyond it being the funny fantasy land that makes her happy
Toby is likely never going to actually explain ghosts is he?As in, are they born that way? Did they just always exist? Or is "Undead" genuinely a type of monster and a thing that can be created? Are there Necromancer in UTDR? How would/are they viewed in that context?
>>4068396I don't even see Toriel in your posted "art", it's Asriel. Who was dead.
>>4068981>>4068987>>4068991I feel like Toby just plain forgot the significance of fighting someone from Hometown
>>4069000Dude wtf you cant say that, this entire story falls apart if "Toby didnt think of that" is valid at any point, the entire thing hinges on Toby knowing what he's doing. There's no way Toby is just throwing shit at the wall until he can make his dream scene happen in game
Do you think we'll see Orange & Co during the Roaring?
>>4069000We already did that in Ch.1 albeit
>>4069000well lets see if he does anything with it in the next exciting and super serious entry that is Deltarune Chapter 6!>if he does?great! who knows what that lil nutjob's gonna get up to>if he doesn't?lol. lmao even.
>>4068455>Why did the moss become a requiredSimilarly how Tropical Starwalker is required if you want all three flower items. It's a tutorial for when you replay the game.
>>4068991she knows enough about kris to be aware of his history with noellegranted most people in town do but that's still something
>>4069007difference there is Susie is an active memberBerdly has written it off as a dream with slight suspicion if you broke his armMad Dummy just straight up gets invited to home town but Toby might just write her out anyway with those post defeat shop lines>If you "seal the fountain"... I won't stick around.>I'll... need some time to think to myself, I think>But, I'll be meeting you again.
>>4069014I mean CASTLE Town lol
>>4069006The flowers only lived as long as they did thanks to Asgore's extensive care. And since he's out of the picture for the foreseeable future, well...
>>4069017Roaring is very soon, tho. They won't have time to die.
>>4069014>The game forces you to enable the ghost and keep engaging with the supoosedly optional character to beat the game
>>4069014>Mad Dummy just straight up gets invited to home town but Toby might just write her out anyway with those post defeat shop linesIm of the mind that the very beginning of ch6 will be the last time we get a casual, fun visit to castle town, so Toby will literally never address this. You can ask about her, Susie or whoever youre asking will just say "Oh she's at home right now getting ready, we'll probably see her later" but later never comes because shit goes down and whoopsy you never hear from Pink/Maddie again except maybe in the finale
>>4069010Where's the tutorial for getting shadow crystals then. Now it's too lateAnd tropical starwalker pisses me off the joke doesn't even make sense if you never saw the star walkerAnd the original sleeps with other men's wives
>>4068962Unironically less of a problem than Kris tho
>>4069023>Now it's too lateAnon, I...
>>4069023Anything in chapters 6 or 7 could still serve as a tutorial for when you replay the game...
>>4068977It's LITERALLY real life but better
>>4069025If you played the game without getting any of the shadow crystals you have no real indication that they even exist
>>4069007Well yeah but Susie's a friendMakes me wonder how the original timeline(s) must have gone down though. Kris and Noelle fight Susie but likely don't kill her, leaving her as a hostile element in the outside world where she could easily kill the both of them (if she was willing to go that far, but I doubt she is). She would probably threaten them a bit in the Light World
>>4069023>doesn't even make sense if you never saw the star walkerI mean it's the same joke, so if you've never seen the original Starwalker joke that IS your original Starwalker joke
>>4069028Yeah, and there's still two chapters to go, so how is it "too late" to inform people for their eventual replays?
>>4069026You mean the chapter 6 that's gonna be nothing should have happened in the chapter where you get the last one instead of a lol let's do a secret boss even if you haven't seen any secret bosses before
Who would win in a fight?
>>4068977Just make a Dark World where the ground is soil and you plant mushrooms.Those can survive without sunlight and the soil will absorb your piss
>>4069033You would anon you're so strong!
>>4069031It's been 8 years and the 7th chapter may or may not be inaccessible if you don't get all the shadow crystalsDepending on how hackish Toby Fox is
>>4069032>He thinks Chapter 6 is gonna have a Secret BossWho's gonna tell him?
>>4069031>for their eventual replays?The point is replays shouldn't be a requirement except for like weird route which even skips a shadow crystal chapter
>>4069034You'd really eat that Piss-Grown Rambling Mushroom? Right in front of it's husband and children?
>>4069035Wow! I always knew I was main character material!
>>4069032>it should've happened here so it might as well not have happened at allBro, it's not like being informed of starwalker in chapter 5 lets you warp back to the scarlet forest and activate him then and there.>>4069036Neither of those makes it "too late" for information to be given intended for a second playthrough...?>>4069038>replays shouldn't be a requirementRequirement? They aren't. But it shouldn't be likely that the player will stumble into doing EVERYTHING their first time through just by following their gut, either.
>>4069034Mushrooms would turn into architecture. No matter how much you eat the walls, you'll never be satiated because a cubic meter of "wallshroom" is just less than a gram of mushroom in reality.
>>4069037Based on Reverse Undertale I think we're fighting FRIEND because of the dead red treeAnd if you win Kris will marry you >>4068872
>>4069023spamton is the crystal tutorial, he's a mandatory encounter on both the normal and weird route and in the former he outright tells you to meet him in in his trash house later
>>4069034>>4069039
>>4069042then just eat a lot of the walls
>>4069042That or they become Toad. Would you be happy living a life subsisting off nothing but mario toads?
>>4069029the crystal lens implies that she hates/ is jealous them but is otherwise ineffectual
>>4069041>But it shouldn't be likely that the player will stumble into doing EVERYTHING their first time throughI agree and normally wouldn't take issue but there's too many missables in the game to excuse it
>>4069044POWIVE BEATEN UP SPAMTONwhat the fuck is a shadow crystal
>>4069046Do any anons know enough about mushroom farming to estimate how large of a grow area you'd have to make into a dark world to live on it indefinitely?
>>4069050Haha... Wouldn't you like to know!
>>4069049Anon, do you unironically don't know about The Hole? You can get Shadow Crystals at any time in your leisure, no need to replay the whole game.
>>4069050well, in that case get fucked because you played the game wrongblame toby for that one
>>4069041Past the 8 year mark I start to not get interested in playing the game againThe game is easy enough that I don't see the point in getting the shadow crystal items and the knight becomes a joke on the first playthrough if you literally go back in time to beat him>>4069044I attacked Spamton
>>4069028to be fair you'd have to be really fucking ignorant to not get any of the crystals cause Spamton tells you where to go to see him and not entering Pink's shop to see the key purchased with unique currency is entirely your fault
>>4069050whats worse is, yeah if you're trying to roleplay you would probably fight spamton and not spare him. Its literally Kris, alone, getting jumped in a dark alley by an aggressive violent man living in the dumpster. I imagine quite a few people would go "ok NOW I should probably put up my fists"
>>4069054>>4069058He's a scary crack-addicted virus guy who can barely form a sentence and you want me to make deals with him? The game said certain bosses were secluded from getting recruited so I attacked him.
>>4069049It's really not that many missables nor is this a particularly long or difficult game to replay. The chapter system makes it quite approachable.>>4069055>Past the 8 year mark I start to not get interested in playing the game againWhy? That's bizarre. My willingness to replay something is based on how much I enjoy it and how much of a commitment it is to replay, not based on how long its development cycle was. Being in the development cycle doesn't really change anything for me.>The game is easy enoughThat it feels silly to not finish it, to me.
>>4069051I don't know but I found a funny post when looking stuff up>In these times of uncertainty, I want to become more self-sufficient and be prepared for a potential society breakdown>Posted three years agoWonder if he's still worried about it today
>>4069060What about Pink?
>>4069059>>4069060>oh it's totally reasonable to dismiss a lead based on how he talks>I am a normal inquisitive mind and the game is worse off for not catering to me!Sure thing buddy.
>>4069060well, that's toby's fault for grandfathering in the undertale combat system for a game that it wasn't meant for and doing nothing to change it
>>4069064a lead for WHAT, as far as I know Im just being jumped by the most textbook bad actor imaginable
>>4069058I completely missed the Pink Door on my first playthrough, I reached Flowery battle and then had to consult with a spoiler-free guide.
>>4069063I was more focused on getting to flowery instead of going the other directionAnd again, "unique and memorable theme " is more than enough to say this wasn't meant to be the first one you see
>>4069064Yeah the game is worse if you cannot finish it because you didn't collect optional items.
Seeing that streamers don't even bother to collect Flower Items because they don't want to bother to collect more than ten Pink Coins... Do you think Flower Items will play a critical role later? Did they brick their saves by ignoring them?
>>4069071>"unique and memorable theme " is more than enough to say this wasn't meant to be the first one you seeThat still wouldnt matter, EVERY boss has had a "Unique and Memorable Theme". They'll just assume that's what theyre talking about
>>4069067See that's the thing, if you're so unobservant that you not only missed Jevil entirely, and also still don't even suspect that there's some subplot or side content to the game by the middle of ch2, the only thing that'll tip you off is the game all but slapping you across the face and telling you what to do.
>>4069074no, at most the broken skarf might be ralsei's ultimate weapon, but that's still unclear the fact that you can't get all of them tells me that they're not super important
>>4069073Anon, stop being retarded. You'll likely be told what to do at the end of credits of Neutral Ending, then you can just switch the chapter, reload the save and fight them all. Shadow Crystals will time-travel to your newest savefile via The Hole in Castle Town. You don't even have to replay the game, fag.
>>4069073If failure to collect an item renders the game unbeatable, the item wasn't optional.What you're actually envisioning happening is a shittier ending for people who didn't engage with the game.
>>4069065I really wanna see what combat he wouldve given Deltarune if he didnt just reuse Undertale's. The bullet pattern stuff is probably still a given, but was Recruit/Lost even going to be a mechanic? Would he just make everyone recruit regardless? Would the element system have actually mattered?
>>4069074It doesn't really matterYeah you can get some equipment you'll never need or be allowed to use (AquaKnife lmao) but the FloweryScarf won't mean anything more than useless stats and maybe a sad cutscene as Ralsei repairs it (since we know he can sew)
>>4069079>unbeatableNeutral Ending is still an ending. At this point I think you're just a troll that feeds on (You)s. Retards like to pretend to be retards, this makes them feel smarter than they are, even though they're still retards, and get called retards.
>>4069073>>4069079Yeah Toby would never be inspired off of anything to make the true ending completely obtuse to find on your first time throughThe normal ending is fine enough in Cave Story, you'd never feel unfulfilled by it. It's just if you want more, you had to know how to work for it
>>4069081he probably won't say until after it's finished, but i imagine it was more of a traditional rpgi suppose it's possible it was always meant to be a baby's first bullet hell given his love for touhou, but we know for a fact that ACTing was brought in from undertale so i assume that sparing was also not part of the original plan, or at least it was nothing like how it is presently
>>4069081>Would he just make everyone recruit regardless?Yes. Seems like Chapter 1's "auto-recruit" was the original intention. "LOST" recruits is just an afterthought, considering many bugs where LOST recruits show up in Castle Town.
>>4069079Omega flowey is a good final boss for Undertale and leads to an ending, with credits. Many neutral endings are perfectly viable endings for the game.Don't make the game unbeatable if you didn't engage with optional characters, one of which I hate with a passion and should remain optional.
>yfw both normal chapter 7 and 7b conclude with a non-ending that loops back to the start>only way to see the "one" true ending is by completing the aborted/TwistedSwd route as wellbe honest would you seethe? forced replays are kinda lame but this is a toby fox game so..
>>4069086What if it was literally just Low HP Pacify or Kill? Technically there's no ACTs involved in that, every enemies gets TIRED if brought to low HP, and Low HP sparing was a mechanic he tried in Undertale
>>4069070Dude, if you didn't at the very least ask yourself>what the hell could that special key be forThat's just on you. You go right and fight Flowery, sure, fine. but if you couldn't at least think that there was some special secret to be found when the credits rolled that is entirely on you
>>4069090That would suck. Aborting the weird route at ch2 doesn't change anything
>>4069083And there's going to be a "neutral ending" for failing to engage in any side content. It'll just be a dinky non-ending compared to the real ones, just like Undertale.>>4069085He wasn't saying the game would have a better ending locked behind the optional content, he's saying he expects he won't be able to finish the game without engaging in optional content. Which is obviously stupid.
>>4069053The game doesn't tell you about the hole
The game will never let you use the aqua knife in a fight.
>>4069085>Cave StoryI'll rather have ten more RK-level battles than Blood Stained Sanctuary nonsense. People like to say "fake difficulty!" a lot, but a lack of save points in late game is a real fake difficulty.>>4069093I'm not that Anon. I kept the key in mind the whole time, that's why I consulted the guide. I just didn't want to comb the whole-ass map for a missed entrance, hence "the cheating".
>>4069098I'd rather use the Black Shard anyway
>>4069089Yeah, if you think Deltarune is going to somehow not even have a "neutral ending" that's kind of just unfounded schizophrenia. How would that even work? The game refuses to progress if you don't have shadow crystals, you're just stuck in a permanent castle town hangout state or something?
>>4069050It happened to mePlayed through Chapter 2 wanting to attack things since the game said I could get stats if I did that and then it turned out I was completely locked out of the secret boss and had to play it all over again. I was so goddamn mad
>>4069099>but a lack of save points in late game is a real fake difficultyNo? That's the realest difficulty there is. It's called a 1cc, gay idiot. Celesteshit with checkpoints every 3 seconds is fake difficulty
>>4069097I could've sworn Seam tells you about it as soon as you start chapter 2.
It really pisses me off that running starts off slow for a couple seconds
>>4069098This is a parallel to the fact Kris never lets you use his real knife and you're all actually dumbasses for not seeing Toby's genius vision through his subversive game design
>>4069092if pacify was the original only way to recruit enemies then i'll call him a hack for making it so pointless after ch1, it's easier 90% of the time to just ACT their mercy meter to 100 over trying to not kill them in combat or doing some weird, worse act to make them tired susie and ralsei also being able to act made pacifying even more pointless as well
>>4069101It won't even load, I'm thinking. Maximum spite on the part of Toby Fox for not enabling his schizos.That bit from the fourth crystal fight made me think that there won't even be a final chapter unless you get them all.
>>4069099Oh that's fine, sorry. I just don't understand how that other dude is complaining the game isn't giving you a blatant fucking tutorial on how to fight the optional hidden encounterEspecially when the last Shadow Crystal boss makes it so fucking obvious despite this
>>4069099I replayed it recently. Most of the sanctuary is fine, a little much but manageable, but fuck the second floor. How did he think the RNG rocks were ok?
>>4069078>then you can just [replay the game]
>>4069102Was I the only one who clearly got the message that fighting a character is nothing more than saying "shut up, go away"?If the character is mandatory it just won't work one way or the other.Telling NPCs to shut up and go away at random isn't the way to access optional content.
>>4069112Reloading the saves to beat two bosses per chapter if not "replaying the game".
>>4069107Someone should subvert the money out of his bank account for scamming his players.
>>4069108>over trying to not kill them in combatIts such a janky ass mechanic. It'd be a different story if you had a few strikes before you were out LIKE HOW CHAPTER ONE GAVE YOU FORGIVENESS, but no you screw up once, you alt+f4, that's all there is to it
>>4069083Neutral is an ending like turning off wifi is winning against a dark souls intruder
>>4069109If the normal route with no optional content ends on chapter 6, that's still an ending.
>>4069103I also didn't get "Embrace the Void/Delicate Flower" ending in "Hollow Knight".>Beat ten bosses in a row with no benches in-between, oh and also no charms, no nail upg, no healthNo thanks, I'm not a masochist.
>>4069107man I'm really not looking forward for all the people that will come after deltarune ends calling it a masterpiece and sucking off toby to hell and backit is already happening right now with the "mixed" reaction chapter 5 got
>>4069110The game gave a blatant tutorial for the weird route, this shouldn't be too much of an act.It makes enough senseFirst playthrough recruits shouldn't matter and somewhere it should tell you how to get the shadow crystals if you missed themSecond playthroguh doing the shadow crystals it shows you the Mantle gameThird playthrough you could do the weird route
>>4069117You'll get spelled out on what to do afterwards, tho. If you didn't brick you save by killing that one Froggit in Ruins, you can just do what you're told and progress.
>>4069101It would probably just be an early ending like UT, you fight the penultimate boss then it ends before big questions get answered
>>4069111The rocks are honestly not hard to dodge if you aren't just blindly running forward
>>4069105I almost never talk to Seam, one of my least favorite characters
>>4069118>if you wait ten minutes in far cry, that's an endingTO JUMP OR NOT TO JUMP
>>4069118Steam said seven chapters. In fact the developer said to the public thses chapters are being released Would be a rotten thing to do to make 7 unplayable if you were doing a neutral route.
>>4069126You remind me of that guy who acted like he didn't know who Rudy was.>>4069127>instant joke ending that skips virtually the entire gamevs.>game ends before some important questions are answered if you're not on one of the more committed routes
>>40691307 will still softlock until you get the last shelter code from 7B and bring it over via the save system like you do with the shadow crystals/boss items
>>4069109holy headcanon
>>4069132The fuck would you make a game like thatAin't nobody got time for that.
>>4069122Undertale itself is an easy game to replay, at worst you're looking at 6 hours for a replay and thats if youre not already skipping dialogueDeltarune is really going to expect you to replay over 20 hours of the game, with no actual ability to skip cutscenes beyond holding c, and in a way that makes getting things done uninterrupted very difficult (You can no longer runs from battles, and enemies will respawn if they arent LOST)
>>4069133Tell me what the cretin in the writer's chair has ever said or done to make him trustworthy.
>>4069130Why? The game containing 7 chapters is irrelevant to you if you haven't even been interested enough to finish the 6 you were given, and the odds of 6 not providing an "An Ending" tier resolution if you can't even get into 7 without doing the optional content are microscopic.>>4069134I have time for that. An RPG's story plus most optional content can easily last 80-100 hours, no way DR gets to that point.
>>4069138I'm not replaying a game that punished me for attacking after 8 years.
>>4069136Tell me why you chose to play a game from someone you lack trust for.
>>4069141I want it done and over with. I used to trust him, now i don't.
>>4069140It punished you for attacking immediately if it did after 8 years. Card Kingdom shunning you let you know what the tone on attacking your enemies would be.>but they tried to kill meeeeeeeeeeeEven flimsier here than in Undertale. You're playing a game, if you want more information you generally do that by making nice with the NPCs. I don't care if they're enemies, you know how this works, don't play dumb.
>>4069135>no actual ability to skip cutscenes beyond holding cthat damn chapter 2 boat ride...
>>4069105Yup, Seam tells you when you have Spamton's Shadow Crystal, but not Jevil's:>... What is that? It appears you have a Shadow Crystal.>...>Unfortunately, I believe that you are missing one from your previous adventures.>...>But, are you sure? Are you sure you didn't defeat that clown...?>Perhaps... You just haven't remembered that you had yet.>That's right, as long as you ever defeated that enemy in the past...>Then perhaps, even now, that Crystal might turn up somewhere close... Perhaps!Gerson also hints at it:>There's no harm in lookin' back. You mighta missed something.>But, when you finally turn forward once again...>Don't be shocked if the world has changed.
>>4069144That my enemies don't like me? Big whoop, they knelt to the Roaring knight. I don't think I should need the approval of the enemies to finish the game where I'm trying to kill their boss
>>4069136dude this is like thinking you need to date all the major characters to progress to CORE in Neutral if UT released in parts
>>4069135>no actual ability to skip cutscenesYou can skip intro cutscene at the beginning of Chapter 5 by pressing C
>>4069153That would suck balls. Don't do that. If the barrier area was made inaccessible because you didn't play pure pacifist I would absolutely complain. I like the Asgore and Flowey fights.
>>4069152And you don't need their approval to finish the game. I'm not sure you'll get to kill the Knight though, it definitely wasn't an objective the game laid on you.
>>4069157I expect that everything you'll miss out on for not engaging in optional content in Deltarune will be equivalent to pacifist or genocide in Undertale. You're insisting that it'll be equivalent to the game denying you Asgore and Omega Flowey with no basis other than "I don't trust Toby".
>>4069159It's bait. Don't engage.
>>4069159If the man says you can pick the game up at any chapter only to make 7 inaccessible, it means he lied.
>>4069157nigger that's why im saying thinking Toby just won't let you reach an ending of the game cause you couldn't find one of his mystery niggas is fucking ridiculous
>>4069158"Watch from the chair for 8 real years until the ending" isn't an objective either.
>make a new thread >instantly get spammed to hell by a singular shitposter>step away for few hours>come back>100+ posts deleted (and my post is the first in the thread)Thank you, mister janitor. You actually did your job. Kudos to you.>>4068312My apologies, anon.I'm not gonna make a new thread after this one for quite some time, so I will leave the next one to you.Also it's my first thread on /vrpg/. I couldn't pass my chance.
>>4069151That's cool, so what part of that is the game explicitly telling you that there is a hole where you collect your loot? Toby is so far up his ass that he's creating problems that games have solved for decades.
>>4069164Every game with a story only has whatever endings it lets you get. You are always, at best, sitting down and doing essentially a multiple choice quiz to select which linear path you're on. There is nothing to accomplish in any game with a story that will win the game inherently, no matter what the story has told you. Skipping to Lavos in CT is the game offering you an option to skip ahead on the storyline. It is not you "winning early" by "accomplishing the objective".
>4069166Newfag.>>4069169Nta but I feel like we wouldn't be so focused on endings if DR made the journey less purposefully vague. So far the gameplay hard carries DR despite the focus on story.
>>4069171>NewfagMost posters here are newfags who came from /v/, anonI don't think that means muchIt's like calling someone here a furfag
Sometimes it feels like little Kris and current Kris are two entirely different characters.
>>4069176because they are little kris effectively died THAT DAY from the trauma she incurred, present kris is a husk in comparison
>>4069176>>4069177So how many Kris-es we got?>pre-THAT DAY>post-THAT DAY >soul possessed Noelle said she recognizes old Kris in chapter 4 weird route, but does she refer to before soul possessed, or before the incident?
>>4069179before soul possession, likely more like little kris than she had been in yearsshe's still the same person at the end of the day, but (you)kris is different enough that everyone except for toriel and susie can tell something's up after interacting with her for a while, with noelle noticing instantly
>>4069179I think she refers to Kris post incident but before the Soul since she recognizes Kris actually using her own voice.>>4069177It feels so sad. I wish we could have saved her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zICkHyRU3mMhow would you feel if the Weird Route ended like this (after the final boss)?
>>4069179Are there any other kris-es I should know about?!
>You still can recruit Darkners (except Chapter 2) in Weird RouteAre you ready for your Kind Weird Route? Darkners will help you in your slaughter.
>>4069181Even Toriel is recognizing Kris is acting strange. She talks to Alphys about Kris and asks if she was acting strange and she goes to the hospital to worry about Kris according to the secretary at the entrance.
>>4069186You can still recruit darkners even in chapter 2The mice and Tasque Manager
>>4069186>Darkners will help you in your slaughter.anon, we're gonna freeze all of the castle town darkners, prepare your inventory for the ULTIMATE Ch1, 3 & 4 All-stars + King, Queen & Tenna super encounter!
>>4069185Mew.
>>4069184frame the credits like how lisa the painful does and it would be giga kinowhoever made that clearly had the idea but it's too uniform in presentation
>>4069190If you give Tenna to Mettaton the two will fuse and give you a NEO rematch.
>>4069185>aqua>minikrislancer(?)
>>4069188>You still can recruit Tasque Manager because she's breedableBased Toby?
>>4069184>Kris and Noelle still ""alive"" when the credits rollI mean the corrupted credits are a cool idea but at one point they should just devolve in a sea of grey "ME" and red "YOU".
>>4069192I’m outta here
>>4069188Werewerewire has been LOST and FORGOTTEN
>>4069196Lancer is Susie though.
>>4069202Hey they've not been forgotten! At least not in porn.
>>4069204can porn remember Tasques and Netskies faster then?
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>>4069208Jannies KILL THIS POST
>>4069169No game i've even played has ever been this flagrant with this. There should at least be a illusion of adventure in the adventure game, the illusion of role-playing in the roleplaying game. I have seen chapter-based games that don't tell you to just sit and wait for the ending or worse, have their fanbase doing the same.Dragon Quest 4 did it better, Paper Mario did it better, etc...OR if the game won't let you make progress off of your own merits, do a Chrono Trigger and make it possible to fight the final boss with whatever you have and beat the game like that.
>>4069169wrong, i always have the option to let the bad guy win and quit, i can simply do the omega flowey fight, lose, and let him fuck up the world for all i care, then i move the save file folder somewhere else so that i can replay the game in a new separate timeline once i feel like replaying the game, best part is, you can do this in virtually any game because none of them account for such a based maneuver, and if you do it at the final battle it still feels like a proper conclusion (even The Legend Of Zelda agrees with it given the Fallen Hero timeline's existence!)
>>4069212Geno is the Route where you agree with the antagonist and replace him as the main villain and it's KINO.
>>4069090>yfw after looping back to the start and there is a new path where you fully cooperate with Kris after seeing what happens at the endNah I wouldn't seethe, I am expecting it
>>4069212You in fact do have the option to quit and think about things you like more. This is something Undertale and Deltarune seem to agree with. Some people don't understand that quitting is an option because they think only things that continue the story are "options".
>>4069214there's been enough 'cooperating' for my likingToby thought this shit was acceptable after 8 years by the way>>4069215its not an option when its time for the lets play
>>4069211You are always sitting and waiting for the ending. Even in the games that dress it up better. You dislike thinking about this, and that's fine, but Deltarune is a game made to make you think about this, so why are you trying to play it?>it looked like it was just another simple fantasy RPGNo. It bludgeons you with "your choices don't matter" and "I think your choices matter" before the gameplay ever becomes real. The intent was clear.
>>4069216Kris being an antagonist was signposted after 0 years. And then again after 3. All before you even had the option to pay for the game.You are not obligated to do a let's play.
>>4069217To play it, that's why. This is not a film that you can watch all of it and move on with your life, its a game, The kind of game that the player is apparently expected to be immersed in. Nothing breaks my immersion more than halting my progress in the worst ways imaginable.>>4069218Never this vicious, The game never actually stopped your movements to pull shit like this until recently, and the developers never brought it up.
>>4069219>Why do I want to play it? To play it, that's why.That is not a reason. Please try again.>its a game, The kind of game that the player is apparently expected to be immersed in"Immersion" in the sense that you feel just like one of the characters in the story is absolutely not one of the game's goals. An RPG where you play a character nothing like yourself, or don't play any particular character, is still an RPG.>Never this viciousHe slashed his mom's tires, and then opened a dark world basically the first free moment after the process was explained on screen. Once again, before you even COULD pay for the game.The game was never going to be about a character that was also sort of literally (you) bravely charging toward his destiny of conquest over all his enemies. That was never something it looked like it could be.
>>4069215yup, there's always at least one choice, keep going and win or let the characters lose and doom their world forever
>>4069070>>4069093Same happened to me, I thought the gold coin was so low there as a trick, collected it and kept moving left expecting the door for my pink key to be there since it's a long platforming segment that's out of the way of the direction you're supposed to go.
>>4069221>That is not a reason. Please try againVideo games are my main source of entertainment. I stop playing, the new entertainment is gone.>"Immersion" in the sense that you feel just like one of the characters in the story is absolutely not one of the game's goals.There is no other kind of immersion I can understand in a Role Playing Game. Believe me when I say there are games I will never play because I cannot feel like any of the characters in it. This should not be one of them.>He slashed his mom's tires, and then opened a dark world basically the first free moment after the process was explained on screen.Both of these things went ignored for the entirety of the next two chapters.>The game was never going to be about a character that was also sort of literally (you) bravely charging toward his destiny of conquest over all his enemies.It would have been nice. Knights and heroes bravely charging in to save their lands from evil in epic battles while swelling music is playing from every corner, I love that stuff. More than you can imagine, I love that stuff. Take it away from me, and I will hate you for it.I have this scenario in my head where Kris and Flowery are running after the Knight at top speed to save their father while Flower Man is blasting and it keeps appearing in my head, and now the opportunity is gone. I would have liked for it to actually exist.
This. THIS could have been Deltarune. But no, we got a cheap looking fake fight where both flowery and the knight just cheat instead in a way that was previously saved for the optional secret route in a way that made every fight feel worthless.
>>4069234Kris would never help Flowery.
>>4069235and i would never help susie, the game forced me to
>>4069234Kris should be on the other side.
>>4069236It doesn't force you, you can just close the game or never heal Susie if you hate her that much.
>>4069179You assume that Kris wasn't possessed from the day Dreemurrs found him.>* (When Kris was little, they'd take one of these...)>* (Then pretend to "rip out their heart" and chase me.)
>>4069187>She talks to Alphys about Kris and asks if she was acting strangeThat's not how sentences work, Anon. Go back to school.
>>4069186Game doesn't give a shit. The only thing recruitment with 1+ LOST Darkners does is makes Queen not sad, that's it. Your town status is still "cracked", no matter how many darkners you recruit.
>>4069203Susie is King
>>4069243Susie is a retarded dyke.
>>4069235>>4069237>Kris is betraying everyone>Ralsei is betraying everyone>Susie's gone crazy>The Knight's in on it all and we can't do anything about that>We're never allowed to speak to Noelle (some bullshit will come up in chapter 6 that stops her, you just know it)I pray that the traitor stuff gets resolved next chapter and also that Kris starts trusting us, if only a littleIt's starting to feel a little excessive how absolutely everyone is scheming against us and there's nothing we can do.Outside of the Titan fight, it's just been one tragedy after another where we constantly fail due to traitors and our own inability to act.It's important to have a bit of give and take. When things feel this damn hopeless, it just starts to create resentment. This isn't a video game anymore, it's just a misery simulator. It's giving me the same sensation as Endless Eight
>>4069235>>4069237I don't care about that. I lost any respect I may have had for the writers or their writing this summer. Return my entertainment back to what it used to be, and then I'll be silent.>>4069238The game made the suselle shite unskippable infecting the castle town and the dark world with it. And I hate Toby Fox more than any of his worst characters. I hate his fucking guts.
>>4069247>I lost any respectSomehow I don't feel like respect of a whiny bitch is worth anything at all.
>>4069234Don't care, didn't read.>picThis but it's Flowery with Asgore and Susie. I dunno why they turned Asgore into damsel in distress who can only push around kids. I'm fine with him losing, but at least give him a moment of coolness.
>>4069243No that's Susie's dad/mom/both at the same time
>>4069248He made me a whiny btich. He started it.
>>4069253>This Anon is a son of a dogIt really shows.
>>4069249SUSIE SUSIE SUSIESUSIE SHOULD DO EVERYTHINGWELCOME TO SUSIETOWN
>>4069253It's your life, take responsibility for it and simply stop playing the game you dislike.
>>4069244>Susie is an illiterate bisexualftfy
>>4069257Maybe don't deliberately subvert my entertainment and tell me to bend and take it when I call that out.
>>4069208>catboxing pornI know from which board you are alright
>>4069260You got me.I'm from /vst/
>>4069260From /co/? /a/? /g/? Every board does that. Well, except for you-know-what, they have their own hosting site.
>>4069259Nobody is telling you anything. You are choosing to play a game you don't like. All you're calling out is your appetite for punishment. You simply enjoy whining because it gets you attention, like right now. It makes you feel important, like you're saying something worth listening to. So years from now, after the game is over you're still be here whining about how it hasn't been what you like for years and enjoying others clowning on you for acting like a pathetic addict who tells everyone about his drug-induced disease like it's his badge of honor.
>>4069264Because I used to like it. Because it does have things I like about it. But now there are significant things that I don't like, seemingly put there to make me specifically as angry as possible.And you, you have no idea how many 'just play something else's I've gotten this last year, as if it solves the problem. It doesn't, because there is nothing new that's made the way I like it anymore, and men like Toby Fox are directly responsible for that while his new friends in every single rpg sphere supported it.Fix my games. I'll pay.
>>4069267And you have the nerve to tell me to make my own thing. I post my own pictures, and everyone despises my ideas, exactly like I told you they would.
>>4069253You are genuinely the biggest loser I've come across in 4chan.At least other schizos manage to entertain. Hell some of them even make OC, but you are nothing but a worthless obnoxious fucking child. Goddamn dude.https://youtu.be/ZmP4VwbbaCg
>>4069267Toby and his friends RAPED this bitch and "his game" personally.
>>4068409Why are you so triggered by a cute little orange mouse-shaped human, lol? To the point of shoehorning your reply into every post mentioning her? Y'know that Flowers don't affect Undertale, right?
>>4069267No game is going to ever make you feel the same way you did with Chapter 1. You know why? You're nostalgiafagging over a moment in time the game was special to you and that moment is gone. You will never feel that way again no matter what Deltarune did. It's why despite having been recommended other RPGs that appeal to you numerous times, you still refuse them all. Because you don't want a game, you want to feel like a teen playing Chapter 1 again.
>Chapter 6 is gonna have it's own "gimmick", according to the newletterWhat do you think it's gonna be? Considering it's a short chapter, how would it look like?
>>4069276The gimmick is that it has no gimmick :)
>>4069276Dating sim.
>>4069278ch5 already had one
>>4069279>dating sim where you watch someone else date someone else
>>4069276What gimmick do the Ruins in Undertale have?
>>4069280It's a trio dating a duo.
>>4069281Reverse Undertale theory LOST
>>4069279It had a similar interface but wasn't a real sim. You'll collect items to raise affection levels of different characters and unlock scenes in different locations. Darkner recruitment will be tied to that too.
>>4069281Puzzles.
>>4069275I do want a game. People can make their jokes about me wanting a chatbot or whatever it is they say about me, but there is no game you can play from it. It does not make video games. I would genuinely play something that could actually provide a full game to do what Deltarune had the potential to do in my eyes. If I could have something to replace it in every single way.
>>4069284>Ch5 platformer mode (blue soul)>The room with flowery's face (papyrus puzzle)>The souls, particularly how they were ordered in the cutscene before reaching the top of the castle (ball game, the order in which the colors are listed are almost the same)>The diner (Grillby's)>Flowery shaped bush (inconveniently shaped lamp)What else am I missing?
>>4069281That one room with rotation gimmick. (Toby didn't have budget to animate actual camera rotation, so it was just implemented as four rooms). Deltarune have budget to animate camera rotation.
>>4069249Because he doesn't have much dark world experience and the knight is bullshit incarnateEven if you've adapted a bit what the fuck are you going to do against the tryhard that can shapeshift into anything they want, can inflict true damage and has a bloated health pool.In DND terms its like going against no life multi-class that been perfectly optimised and getting one tapped by his bullshit combo
>>4069294I dunno, he could've at least summoned a trident (don't give me "no experience", Undyne did it instantly) and cracked a bubble he has in, only for Knight to bash his head and him losing consciousness.
>>4069294And...you're supposed to beat it?
>>4069298Beating the Knight will be a cutscene fight where you can't lose. Because HOPE. It will be cool as fuck, but that one Anon will whine about it for years.
>>4069298Yeah because the Soul is above everything in Power.Only the Souls have the power to destroy a timeline.
>>4069301The souls hasn't been too powerful at all
>>4069298Only way I see us beating the knight is if Kris finally goes all out and lets you his use techniques + his knife>Kris uses SWOON>Kris uses X-Slash>Kris uses goner blaster
>>4069300It sucked when asriel did it
>>4069300I think it'll be a subversion of that. To beat the Knight you'll do something in the Light world instead, avoiding the Dark world fighting rules altogether. Even if it's not gonna be that fight in particular, I bet there will be at least one fight in the game where this exploit will be used.
>>4069306I think beating the Angel the hard way is the way for True Ending. PureCrystal, SkyMantle and all that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j03TvN70B0A
>>4068892To be fair the spammer was only a thing this thread and he ended up being nuked in the end, it's not a common occurrence.
>>4068929Toby returned to his roots of being a lolifag and now they're cute lolis. That's why Aqua exists.
>>4069006Yes, we will see her and Aqua's human cunny again because they aren't darkners and thus don't turn into stone.
>>4069043FRIEND would also be a good Flowey mirror, too.
>>4068892There is nowhere to talk about anything in peace anymore.
>>4069208Based.
>>4069284... on opposite day.
>>4069340People gravitate towards straight ships more.
>>4069340It is every man's dream to get molested by an older tomboy at a tender age
>>4069348And every woman's dream is to be molested by her older brother?
>>4069017Susie and Maddie will take care of the flowers (there's like a single day left before the third impact anyway)
>>4069349>older brother?dad
So we had dustner, planter, possession. What's left? Animal darkner?
>>4069361Soulner aka (You)ner
>>4069361Nothing, the era of darkners is over, but I guess there's whatever FRIEND is.
>>4069058I didn't process Spamton telling me to find him in the landfill when playing first time.
>>4069271Well then find an audience that will like your shit, then. Obviously the people here who are into Deltarune may not be into traditional "noble hero does battle against evil and saves the world" thing you like. But mark my words, there is an audience for literally anything. If you can't find anything that suits your specific interests then the best thing you can do is working towards making it yourself.
>>4069361It chapter 6 will take place in the shelter then maybe proto darkness? Like they're in the middle of being darkners and being titan spawn. O.gloves and blue shoes tells me that sparing might not work in chapter 6 and we'd need to pacify what ever comes
I want to have hot steaming gay sex with CoLI want to tell him that everything will be okay, and that I can be a substitute for the RPG game he so desperately needs
>>4069363>Kris chucks you into the birdcage before the Roaring happens>Darkness envelops Hometown>Your cage becomes a Darkner>Here's your vessel broWould you like?
>>4069309Jevil buttplug.
>>4069369I do think with the Prophecy being an analog for the linear narrative an RPG traditionally has, the optional content is similarly an analog for trying to go outside the Prophecy and try to seek a better ending. Failing to find any of the optional bosses will probably be about as much as a "failure" on your part as something like killing Toriel in Undertale, because it'd still be a playstyle that the game would account for and deliberately plan its story around it.
>>4069380Its probably going to be something like>Side A: Neutral aka you didn't get the shadow crystals>Side B: Self explanatory>Side C(rystal): You got all the shadow crystals
>>4069375It needs to be my gray homunculus or bust.
>>4068915Why don't you make that thread anon? Better than the other Deltarune spam shitpost threads that the jannies never deleted
>>4068872The mouse is the player dummy.It consider Kris as its hero.
>>4069375What if when Side B released every chapter gets its side B accessible when you replay it and lose and then let the darkness win during game over? It would be cool wouldn't it? I don't have any hope but I wanted to share
>>4069386>>4069397Incomplete normal route, all recruits, shadow crystals, 7b, they will all lead to the exact same ending, and the harder you try to change things, the harder the game will dunk on you for it.The eggs are the key to actually making things better.
I wonder, have any anons here played Dark Souls 3? Because the Age of Dark and Age of Man endings have shocking similarities to the Weird Route:>Age of Man ending requires you to seek out this one NPC and do a bunch of obscure steps to progress the ending>many steps involve this one NPC (Anri) where you have to kill her friend so she's despaired enough to help with the route>one part of the route involves you marrying her in Irithyll (a kingdom in the snow)>the Age of Dark requires you to go through optional content to get a certain item (a pair of eyes) that you need to give to the Firekeeper>the Firekeeper is horrified by the eyes and the revelations they bring until she eventually accepts it>the Age of Dark ends with both you and her ending the Flame together>the final line is "Ashen One, thou canst hear my voice still?">"Kris, you can hear my voice still, right!?"
>>4069408Eggs are easter eggs though, who are you kidding?Toby even forgor whether you were supposed to put them into a basket or not.
>>4069389The janny actually nuked a shitposter thread when he nuked the spammer in this thread.
>>4069411They're evidence you silly speed reader
>>4069392Kris will never be my hero.
>>4069413That's because enough people reported it. Nobody is going to report your EHH thread.Well maybe now they will, out of contrarianism.
>>4069414Of you trooning out. It's a troon joke by the troon devs.
>>4069418>eggs reveal kris's gender now THAT would be lame as hell
>>4069420It would be peak. TADC first and Deltarune next.Entertainment following preset trends is always kino.Also it'd make Trumptards seethe which is good.
>nobody even takes my baitSlow day huh?
>>4069426It's fucking /vrpg/, every day is slow by default.
>>4069426Baitposting doesn't work here as it did on /v/. Not enough new faces for it.
>>4069423Bait or the most retarded faggot alive
>>4069426im tired boss i just miss /v/
>>4069426The TADC one?Why not try an actual discussion for once?
>>4069267I know how you feel but the only solution is to just make a game yourself because no one else will do it for you
>>4069445Not just that, because nobody else who could write the Toby Fox dialogue he's a fan of has a flat enough view on games to feel beholden to the formulas he wants in his games. He is asking for the results of two contradictory views ("question the rules" and "the rules are absolute") to be put into one game. He's the only person in which those contradictory views coexist in the exact form they do.
>>4069445Tbqh if we all worked together we could make a game for CoL
>>4068493Honestly Mike just being fucking dead because of the cats would be one hell of an answer.
>>4069448I thought he was already making a kriselle mod? (not the /doe/ one, it was another one where noelle replaced susie in all of chapter 2)
>>4068570CoL has been around a lot longer than us. He didn't start there.
>>4069448why the fuck would anyone wanna do that
>>4069451I don't think CoL cares about Kriselle he probably wants more sexy masculine bosses and less women
>>4069386It's going to be this. In fact, I'm gonna go s step further and say that you won't be able to access 7 unless you get all the shadow crystals. So there is 7B and 7C, there is no 7A.
>>4068570aaaaaaaaaannnnnnnddddddddd there it is.>the group that i've been consistently trying to turn into an evil boogieman to point to?>yeah well this boogieman comes from there!!!!
>>4069466Unlikely. There's no real reason to ban a player who's been lazy from 7 entirely, you've just gotta make it cut short like neutral vs. true pacifist.
>>4069467CoL isn't a boogieman, he's a real ass shitposter and ex-namefag, that's where he got his schizoname from.
>>4069469i do not care who your boogieman is. not everyone that has criticism of deltarune is some faggot youtube commenter or redditor or whatever the fuck your origin story for this retard is, go back NOW.
>>4069471>you can recognize when a talking point belongs to someone who's made it a hundred times>that means you're writing off all criticism of Deltarune as being from this one guyNo.
>>4069472look man all you have to do is go back to /vg/ with the rest of your loony bin kin and we'll all be fine.
>>4068900Says something about how obnoxious they are when even reddit is pushing back against them
>>4069474>DUDE LIKE.>FENNIC FOXES ARE MY BOOGIEMAN!you REALLY need to go back.
>>4069409Bit of a stretch, but interesting none the less. I prefer Yuria.
>>4069473>>4069477>there is no such thing as schizostourist
>>4069479the people screaming>AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH CURRENCY OF LUIGI AND FENNIC FOXES!!!! THEY'RE HERE AND SHITTING UP THE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!"24/7 are schizos, and they NEED to go back to /vg/ with the other mentally ill people.
>>4069451I have no idea what even happened to CoLrune, he kept shilling that shit nonstop but now it's suddenly gone.
>>4069463He loves Kriselle because he can pretend it's a tradship
>>4069467For someone that makes everything about being the evil /vg/ boogeyman you sure love sucking the cock of a /vg/ namefag.
>>4068856It has been deleted...
>>4069480Tourist newfaggot>>4069483I don't think it really existed. He only ever showed stills.
>>4069474No idea why this shitter is sucking their cocks, probably because he has the same opinions as them.
>>4069483Maybe he had a moment of self reflection and realized the story he was writing would still contradict his values because Deltarune is fundamentally not compatible with them.Or maybe the process of making a mod gave him perspective on games that he didn't have before, and he dropped it because he knows his opinion is rooted in complete myopia.
>>4069485What if I'm a male vtuber (manly and sexy)?
>>4069487>>4069489when people come to the deltarune thread on the anonymous imageboard, they expect anonymous deltarune discussion.not>AAIIEE IS THAT FUCKING [name]? OH MY GOD THERE'S [other name]! WE NEED [third name] TO SAVE US!!!just shut the fuck up and talk about deltarune.
the fuck is col
>>4069455CoL only appeared after 3 and 4 released so he's more recent than them.
>>4069267>But now there are significant things that I don't likeK then just drop itHoly shit I do this like 10 times every anime season its not a big deal you pussy
>>4069494Ok. Now what about people whose habits are so obvious and destructive that they have names while nobody else does?
>>4069494>Implying you wouldn't do the same thing if [name] posted things he disliked insteadYou only defend him because you schizophrenically think it refers to everyone who dislikes Deltarune.
>>4069497To be fair CoL's existence testifies to how lacking in good shit the video game industry is right nowEven seasonal anime still have occasional good stuff in current year
>>4069496Huh, either way he's unrelated
>>4069497But I HAVE TO finish it. It looked like something I liked for 20% of its runtime, so that means it was "for me" and then some horrible outside force corrupted it into something I'd hate. I have to play it all because it's still for me. I want to play the game. Why are you trying to deny me my game? It has to be my game. It's mine. Mine. Mine. Mine. Me. Me. MEEEEEEE.
>>4069502I still dont know who col is sorry
>>4068583K I found this post and now I know who it isRetarded, why even mention schizos, just ignore them
>>4069502Making more completely formulaic video games just as a countermovement to "subversion" will only worsen the situation by doing all the shit they go to "subversive" stories to see averted.
>>4069495this happens in every long standing thread about a game, you eventually get someone incapable of handing any criticism about the topic game so they fabricate a boogieman and pretend that anyone who does have criticism it is them.nintendo threads are a perfect example of this behavior on display, the same exact shit goes on over there thanks to the famitsu threads breeding these hyper sensitive retards.>[criticism of the game]>OH MY FUCKING GOD ITS [boogieman]!>no its not dude>YES IT IS YOU'RE [boogieman] RIGHT NOW!>haha hi i am definitely [boogieman]. this is my silly hat and silly shirt. and im not just trying to get a rise out of the schizo>AAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE SSEEEEEEEEEE I WAS RIGHT! ITS [boogieman] EVERYONE HERE IS [boogieman] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>4069508nah eric or whatever you want to call it is 100% real unfortunately as he ritual posts in every sales thread
>>4069507>stopping the subversion and revert back to trad will only worsen the situationHow so? And how am I supposed to believe you are not just an apologist for more subversion?
>>4069509proving the point award.
>>4069508In fairness, Nintendo threads are mostly shat up by a small squad of a few very virulent posters who do in fact seem to call the Famitsu threads gome. That guy who calls you Eric for criticizing BotW is himself a specific schizo.
>>4069511proving what? that you are lying?
>>4069512dude would say the deleted spam earlier were actual honest posts
>>4069514proving that you're the exact same kind of schizo that enters nintendo threads and starts screaming about his boogieman whenever you see criticism against your holy company.im not surprised that toby getting involved with them would bring one of you retards over.
>>4069504nta but it sucks to have something you were enjoying at the start become "wasted potential" later on, which is why the best option is to just learn how to make a game yourself so you can build upon that potential that could be there
>>4069510People went to subversive stories because they asked and answered questions that traditionally were asked only by the people and not the stories themselves. Not acknowledging or answering questions like "why don't all the bosses just march on the hero at once if they all wanna stop and kill him" is the bread and butter of "traditional" storytelling. Going back to not answering basic logical questions because "that's subversion" will only remind people why they started going to subversive media in the first place.
>>4069508I remember that happened to me one time i entered a Fire Emblem thread and just mentioned that i think the characters in Engage are retarded and got a lot of replies saying i was some anti-engage schizo i didn't even know existed
>>4069508>Literally sucking the cock of a /vg/namefag because he has similar opinions to himHoly shit you have no integrity, you just know if CoL actually liked Deltarune you would be hating schizophrenically like you do with everything else.
>>4069520you're literally admitting to coming from /utg/ and seeing your boogieman as shadows on the walls.you NEED to go back.
>>4069518Bro I guarantee you that none of us who played Undertale back in 2015 were deliberately looking for a game that would subvert us.It just happened that Toby's first subversive game was good. Now Deltarune is starting to get bad and people rightfully point as the incessant subversion as the culprit.
>>4069498easily ignored and everybody that heralds their presence as their personal trumpeters should commit suicide on livestream for the thread's amusement
>>4069523I went into the game with the explicit understanding that it was unlike a typical RPG in that it actually stops and thinks about things most games gloss over as "just a game thing". If it didn't make that clear within the demo I wouldn't have been interested at all. I am uninterested in games made by people who actively dislike asking questions about games and how they're structured. That way lies formula hell.
>>4069525>MY. /VG/. SCHIZO. IS. EVERYWHERE!>AND IF YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, YOU'RE CLEARLY ONE OF HIS WORSHIPPERS!>>>/vg/utg/its the correct place for schizos like you.
>>4069527I think there is a limit on the degree of meta most people can stomach so to speak, UT was fine since it never got too much into it, the concepts of menus for example were still abstract enough that it could either be diegetic or not, who fucking knowsdeltarune directly addressing the menus and other abstractions makes it cross an invisible line that starts to make most players question if the game can even deliver on the amount of metaness being put in there, because as some anons pointed out earlier most games are lines that go from A to B and deltarune, still being a game, will do the same. despite the "glitching out of the map" stuff and etc that was all programmed deliberately. the game didn't just one day woke up and became sapient and isn't dynamically responding to you, toby curated all that. it goes directly against that message if you think hard enough about it
>>4069512Correction, tripfags that agree with him, otherwise he would do the same thing he accuses others of doing.
>>4069522You literally proved my point by accusing me of being an actual boogieman lol
>>4069532>>4069529
>>4069531It's not just the meta, it's the dynamics you typically have in an RPG. The random monsters walking up and attacking you even when you're not currently being hunted as a known human is explained. Shopkeepers get confused when you want to sell them items, except the dumb one. That kind of shit doesn't happen if a "subversive" mind isn't the one writing the game.>that was all programmed deliberately. the game didn't just one day woke up and became sapient and isn't dynamically responding to youYes...? How does this go against the point of the game? Do you think the "meta" point UT/DR are trying to build up to is "games are alive and you should be nice to them"?
>>4069525He agrees and supports my opinions so he doesn't exist, /vg/schizo
>namefag drama offtopic derail>not deleted, despite the staff actively monitoring this threadwhy
How long do you think we will stay mad at Susie?
>>4069540>>4068609
>>4069540they are probably not monitoring the thread as hard as we like to believe, they do respond to reports
>>4069542Forever
>>4069542I could NEVER stay angry at the main protagonist and TRUE hero of the game
>>4069542Unless Suselle dies and Susie suddenly starts sucking Kris's cock, forever.
>>4069544The ones monitoring the thread are the mods who hate Deltarune or their pack of /v/ jannies. The /vrpg/ jannies probably just delete posts that get enough reports
>>4069527Exactly. Undertale was clear about what the genre subversion was. Meanwhile Deltarune baits you with "only one ending?....". It's vagueposting, the game.
>>4069550Undertale wasn't clear with what the subversion was, you still have people 10 years later who think it was "I can be nice to the characters".
>>4069544>they do respond to reportsThey don't. At least when it's not about them.
>>4069552Well yeah that's what the game invites you to do and "punishes" you if you don't?Unless you've got some hidden truth I don't have, enlighten me.
>>4069542Death will atone for her sins.
>>4069540Namefagging is actively encouraged by 4chan staff, or else the name field wouldn't exist
>>4069542call me a shipfag if you want, but i'd legitimately be less mad at her if she figures out the way she feels about noelle is similar to the way she feels about krisjust give it a bit of fucking complexity, you know?
>>4069557Toby has arrived with the usual truth nukes.
>>4069554The subversion is the characters being able to notice the RPG-isms even while they're in the middle of them. The fact that mortal combat is generally terrifying and no time to spout gimmicks is one of those RPG-isms it lets the characters notice. Sparing is there to let you "play along", the characters are sad when you don't spare them because of this.
>>4069513>trying this here
>>4069557Where is Hard Mode
>>4069565In my pants, I'm not used to calling him mode though
>>4069516Barrierstation
>>4069537>Yes...? How does this go against the point of the game? Do you think the "meta" point UT/DR are trying to build up to is "games are alive and you should be nice to them"?That seems to be what a lot of people believe, yes.
>>4069557Wheres the Kriselle route? Why is the aqua knife useless? Why did you make the ch5 intro skippable but not any other cutscenes?
>>4069508>screaming mental breakdown because someone keeps insulting a namefagI dare you to try and argue this shit on /co/.Place is rife with schizos
>>4069571I think all of those people are retards and Toby has been trying to get them to sit down and shut up since Chapter 1 with Ralsei.
>>4069575Deltarune and Undertale are different games though?
>>4069573the point is that I DO NOT CARE.I DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR BOOGIEMAN, THE MAJORITY OF THE THREAD DOESNT CARE ABOUT YOUR BOOGIEMAN.I AM SICK OF ENTERING THE THREAD AND SEEING>oh guys its [name]! its da evil [name] guy!!!CONSTANTLY INSTEAD OF DISCUSSION ABOUT DELTARUNE.AT LEAST THE BOOGIEMAN, IF HE'S EVEN REAL, IS TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING GAME.JUST FUCK OFF ALREADY.
>>4069576And? Ralsei's attitude in chapter 1 is still clearly a dig at that half of the Undertale fanbase. Why would Toby make that dig at people who he thinks got the point?
>>4069575Only for Ralsei to kind of forget about this the moment chapter 2 starts.
>>4069573It's literally only because the namefag agrees with him, because he's doing everything he says others do to everyone calling him a retard.
>>4069582>>4069577
>>4069581Because "should I be nice to this fictional character?" Is not something Toby wants to have to harp on. You should be nice to them if you want more content with them. If you want all the content you should probably be nice to everyone. This is not a moral position.
>>4069508now i get complaining about yelling names blindly all the time because giving a schizo a name and acting like they're omnipresent is giving them the identity and validation they crave, but acting like the schizos aren't real at all is going way too far in that direction because now you just look like a loon who thinks the blatantly obvious recurring posters who make shitting in threads their lifestyle don't even existespecially when we're talking about a dude who thinks toby murdered his firstborn because he can't "complete the mission", there is no valid criticism there his opinion solely based around "I HATE THE GAME BECAUSE KRIS DOES THINGS I DON'T LIKE"
>>4069578There's no world in which Undertale's message was not "be nice to each other".If Deltarune subverts it, then maybe Toby changed his mind and now believes some people are evil and must be fought, and it's not because he's on the chud side buddy.
>>4069587i fail to see how a youtube comment justifies the existance of a boogieman.
had a thoughtso asriel was supposed to be a ness parallel at some point, yeah?that got me thinking, what if dess was supposed to be the porky to his ness? obviously it wouldn't be 1:1 but it would fit with ness being middle class and neighbouring with the rich and spoiled porkymaybe dess is going to go into an absolute safe capsule at the end or something
>>4069587>>4069582
>>4069588Undertale's message was not "be nice to video game characters". It was "stop doing shit you don't enjoy just because it's Content".Deltarune will not subvert it.
>>4069577Right now you are being more annoying than the namefag or the people obsessed with the namefag Be better
>>4069483He's still making it
>>4069591I feel like Dess is Ness, with the similar names and symbolism behind the two.
>>4069595oh so when you derail the thread with >AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH ITS MY FUCKING BOOGIEMANits fine but when i go>STOP BITCHING ABOUT YOUR FUCKING BOOGIEMANthen its a problem?
>>4069594Your schizo headcanon is not Undertale's message anon...If it was as you say then why do I have to suffer through Alphys' bullshit in Hotland and then again with her shitty date
>>4069595Is Kris a better man?
>>4069599>Assuming everyone who dislikes him is the people complaining about the namefagPure irony.
>>4069599>so when YOU derail the threadAnon that was my first post replying to you, have you created a boogieman in your head?
>>4069589i fail to see how you think doubling down and ignoring the entire post just to act like you've got a gotcha over referencing a fucking youtube comment is going to make you look any less of a loon, but you're doing it anywaylike come on man, we KNOW he's a frequent poster you don't look like an intellectual by pretending he doesn't exist just because some fags here yell at shadows too much you just look like a retard
>>4069600My "schizo headcanon" is the core of Flowey's entire arc. He ran out of stuff to do because he was elevated to a player's level of freedom within the game world, but without the ability to leave and "play something else".>If it was as you say then why do I have to suffer through Alphys' bullshit in Hotland and then again with her shitty dateYou don't have to suffer through any of that. If you dislike the writing you don't have any reason to go for pacifist.
>>4069602No but i believe he will become a better man by the end https://files.catbox.moe/08zzo7.png
>>4069606according to the people yelling about their boogieman, he's a /vg/ namefag.as someone who doesnt use /vg/, i do not know about the /vg/ namefag.if you want to cry about your /vg/ namefag, maybe move back to /vg/?
>>4069607Flowey acting as a demiurge parallel to the player has no relation to the moral message that Undertale is trying to conveyThe actual end of geno has you being told you were not in control and possessed by a demon and therefore evil
>>4069610okay at this point you're just being retarded on purpose, i give up trying to talk to your dumb assif you want people to actually listen and quit talking about namefags, try not being a faggot
>>4069610Thinking about /vg/ more than some of the actual /vg/ posters in the thread somehow
>>4069613>you were not in controllmaoI wonder if Toby will attempt to pull the same shit twice
>>4069613>the characters that parallel the player have nothing to do with the moral messageWrong.>I don't understand what a metaphor is and I'm going to try and comment on heavily symbolic storytellingGood for you, champ. Wrong though.
>>4069610>>4069525
>>4069613Flowey has nothing to do with me. I didn't tell myself I was only killing monsters to see what happens.
>>4069617Big G's got this. He's just gonna brick your PC entirely.
>>4069619we'll i've never seen the namefag on /v/ myself. sounds like a schizophrenia issue.
>>4069542I will not let go until Susie and Ralsei are dead.
>>4069613Chara was only referring to that particular choice, obviously she wasn't in control the entire route. It's similar to Jevil opening his own door regardless of choice. Plus you only get possessed if Frisk's soul is sold which isn't required.
>>4069623https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/username/Crusader%20of%20Light/
>>4069618I'm not even disagreeing with you, you just don't want to admit the actual message for some reason.Flowey is a parallel for those who commit evil by boredom. He's just there to guilt trip you.
>>4069627kek
>>4069627>23 resultsis this actually supposed to prove anything?seems to me like its just someone having a laugh and fucking with schizos.
Man.
>>4069628The actual message would never be anything as retarded as "you're evil for mistreating video game characters". Flowey parallels the player running out of content they actively like in a game and proceeding to do shit they don't like just because it's there.
>>4069598Dess is Sans?!
>>4069624Just lose and then give up. Voila, they're dead.
>>4069633Not video game characters, actual human beings. It's about the real world, in some sort of metaphor.Are you being autistic and retarded on purpose?
>>4069636Lose specifically to Spamton NEO so our guy can finally be free
>>4069639He destroys the soul though despite wanting it
>>4069636Then there's no game to play
>>4069636That's not enough, they have to die by my hand, so I will have to wait for 7B.
>>4069630
>>4069640Actually yeah, what would happen after his plan of killing Kris fails? I guess he could still go and kick Queen's ass and take over Cyber World
>>4069644hey guys, im DEFINITELY your boogieman!this is my silly opinion hat and silly opinion shirt, where i believe that the game should be a straight forward RPG.
>>4069640I just assume destroying the soul is what happens to force a load, it also happens in Undertale even though monsters want Frisk's soul.
>>4069637... what? I was under the impression I was arguing with someone who thought the point of Undertale was "games are alive and you should be nice to them", but disagreed with that because it's retarded. I pointed out that Deltarune chapter 1 addresses a whole character arc to try and dissuade people who took Undertale that way.
>>4069644How does someone get this angry over a schizo being insulted
>>4069642You hate the game now anyway. Why do you need to see it resolve if you hate it?
>>4069646>having a shadow crystal gives spamton enough power to endure the roaring>eventually leads to picrel
>>4069652He's a retard and thinks because he has the same opinions as him he thinks people are calling him a schizo or trying to diminish his opinions.
>>4069652i am sick of the thread being constant>AAA MY FUCKING BOOGIEMANevery time i decide to look at it
>>4069650Im not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt because of course shooting giant fucking energy blasts or chucking spears will fucking murder someone
>>4069655Kino
>>4069646Assuming he could anyway. They don't actually meet up despite taking over her mansion. and she might just whip the giant fighting robot that she actually WON with if the situation is dire enough
>>4069658But to take someone's soul, you need to kill them. Human souls linger on after death.
>>4069654Battles and music
>Yes Kris that horrible day...>When you left that... condom in the bunker.>You didn't want people to know...>But because of your mistake and this Dark World, you created those... things.>The Titans.
>>4069651I am convinced Toby made the game for an audience who thinks your behaviour in the game impacts your behaviour in real life, yeah.If he didn't then both his games do not make sense. It's already a miracle that he added something as kino as Snowgrave route in Deltarune.
>>4069666But you throw out battles as "not counting" if the story surrounding them goes a way you disapprove of. And you don't trust the story. The battles will never count again. Why keep going?
>>4069670>all of this could be averted if dess was just open to doing it raw
>>4069665Are monster souls just exempt from that though?
>>4069672Maybe they might.
>>4069647what are your thoughs on Kriselle?
>>4069640Game Over screen is diegetic. The very fact that SOUL is there shows that Spamton failed to capture it.
>>4069672Even you can't say the bs will just keep on going, you have to admit that it could actually stop at some point.
>>4069674Yes, monster souls disappear immediately upon death, this is all clearly stated.
>>4069671I don't see how either game stops making sense. You're making assumptions about the intent of presumably many scenes throughout the game that just aren't true.
>>4069680no not that I mean the whole "you need to kill them" thingy. Cause Flowey absorbs everyone's just fine including the boss monsters
>>4069682Might be because he already absorbed the human souls, but that raises the question of why he didn't do it as Photoshop Flowey.
>>4069681Let me put it another way. If you kill the special snowflake cast of Undertale, then the game tells you you are a bad person.Are you arguing that the intent in those scenes that explicitly berates you for supposedly being a bad person is not "you should have been nice"?
>>4069682It's stated that a monster can have its soul absorbed while alive if you hold a great power, too. I don't think it applies to humans.
>>4069688They were your enemies who said they would kill you. Who are they to say your a bad person for believing them? It's your choice to listen or not.
>>4069670Do they even sell human condoms of Kris' size of that time, anyway? This is a monster town, after all, and there are no ape monsters living there, AFAIK.
>>4069688>Let me put it another way. If you kill the special snowflake cast of Undertale, then the game tells you you are a bad person.It doesn'tA character shitting you doesn't equate to the author shitting on youUHM I KILLED KIDS AND INNOCENT PEOPLE, WHY ARE THESE CHARACTERS ARE MEAN TO ME???Kinda hilarious how you expect every rpg character to be like pre-character development ralsei who grovels for (you)
Janny is not lifting the ban on Deltarune for /v/ anytime soonWe will be in these threads for a very, very long time
>>4069691I'm probably thinking about it too much anyway considering his nature as a soulless flower
>>4069688I disagree with your assertions. The game does not berate you or call you a bad person at any point. It asks you if what you're doing is still providing you the enjoyment you set out to find in Undertale. The characters calling you a bad person while you kill them is meant to bother people who find inherent value in the characters calling you a good person but who couldn't give up the game after finishing the routes where they do that. It's not meant as punishment for characters you have low regard for to hate you in turn.
>>4069692You are dense if you think the 99% of Toby's cast that is against you is not actually Toby's intended message but the 1% of Toby's cast being supportive (Chara) is
>>4069682Asriel killed everyone by tearing out their SOULs while they're alive. Then resurrected them back (six humans included). His title of "Absolute God of Hyperdeath" is quite literal, it's not just there for flavor.
>>4069695sans does insult you if you kill papyrus and then alphys tells you to fuck yourself if she survives
>>4069703No, Asriel didn't kill anyone, it's stated a monster soul can be taken from a LIVING monster with great power, and him resurrecting the humans is nonsensical fanon, too.
>>4069701Explain thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go4lst4kMAs
>>4069704Exactly, those are in-character reactions to (you) killing their loved onesDo you expect them to go>Man I wish you didn't kill my little brother [playername]. but oh well! I'm sure you had a good reason!
>>4069704Alphys going "I shouldve killed you when I had the chance" is so fucking funny dude, I cannot take it seriously, it gives the same feeling as someone saying "I wouldve stopped that shooting if I was there"
>>4069686>but that raises the question of why he didn't do it as Photoshop Flowey.He needed them all bunched up together, speedreader-kun. Why do you think he encouraged you to befriend everyone? If you don't befriend everyone, "everyone" do not show up, so Flowery is unable to absorb SOULs of everyone.
>>4069702In Undertale, you are alone. A small human kid who took a wrong turn and is trying to get back home. The monsters don't exactly want you to leave, in fact, they want to harvest your soul to invade the surface and kill all the humans. I don't need their support if I can get out myself.
>>4069712It was so brave, strong and independent of her though
>>4069713If absorbing six human souls lets him erase the whole underground, why wouldn't it let him pull souls from the whole underground?
>>4069707>a monster soul can be taken from a LIVING monster with great powerWhat do think happens when you take a SOUL of a living monster? They die. Poof, into dust.>and him resurrecting the humans is nonsensical fanonYou think he buried them? Why would he do that, they're literally already in the coffins.
>>4069712DR and undertale are consistent in the fact she's a pathetic loserthere's a good reason why Kris seems to seethe at her, ya know.
>>4069716What's the only ending where you get back to the surface?
Sorry, but I cannot agree with any piece of fiction that argues self-defense is evil. That's comically delusional.
>>4069708Lots of variations on the neutral ending exist because the game has a very reliable set of flags it can check. Their tone gets more somber for the ones that involved more deaths of major figures becaus death is generally sad for the survivors.
>>4069719nta but the only proof you have is the absence of proof, in that the coffins are open with no given explanation, and undoing the monsters' biggest crime like that completely offscreen and unacknowledged is one of the most cowardly moves a writer could pull
>>4069724Killing Flowery is excessive self-defense, punishable by jail time. He never tries to kill you.
>>4069724Sure, but why bring this up here? Undertale and Deltarune don't claim self-defense is evil any more than they claim you're evil in real life for killing video game characters.
>>4069724Sans never really judges you on the first run unless you kill his brother, whom cannot and refuses to kill you.After the first its established you're a timegod so self defense is a moot point.
You guys are so mindbroken by Toby it's actually frightening
>>4069694He used a turtle shell like people did in the ancient times
>>4069721Is it that serious though?
>>4069724At no point ever does the game call you evil for self defense
>>4069721kris seethes at alphys because she wants to fuck both of her parents everything else is secondary
>>4069719What happens is that they get absorbed inside Asriel literally, both body and soul.Yes, Toriel buried them when Frisk was unconscious like she did with Chara's body.
>>4069719I always interpreted that as the souls leaving to the afterlife to rest in peace or something like that
>>4069736Without coffins? Toriel really should stop grave-robbing. It's creepy.
>>4069722Depending on your interpretation, every neutral ending. You end up on the other side of the barrier after beating flowery.
>>4069739Yes, like she did with Chara's. Going in raw
>>4069728Deltarune does, in Chapter 5 Flowery fight
>>4069744>like she did with CharaAnd look how it turned out. Rites are there for a reason.
>>4069735Her biggest crimes are supporting Torigore and Krusie
>>4069739Monsters dont see anything wrong with human graverobbing because they're so used to the idea of "If the body is intact, they're still alive" that they hardly register a human corpse as such. To her its like picking up a napping child off their playmat and into their bed
>>4069745Just like Papyrus, without lethal intent, lethal "self defense" is not defense.
>>4069732Gerson...
>>4069749Flowery almost killed Ralsei at the beginning of Chapter 5. He doesn't hold back.
>>4069745Flowery himself call out Ralsei for not following Kris's commands though?
Ralsei will prevent you from attacking anything now.
>>4069752You're one of those people that equate "got stuffed into a locker" with "attempted murder"?
>>40697571) Ralsei murdered Gerson State without any second thoughts2) Ralsei tells you to attack Titan3) Chapters 6-7 are "serious" chapters
>>4069758its the hat bro he LITERALLY tried killing Ralsei by FORCING him to wear the hat again cant you read
>>4069758for a nerds frail body, yes those are equivalent unfortunately for them, kris thought it was hot and wants susie to do it again (she refuses)
>>4069759You're right, Susie will prevent you from attacking anything now
>>4069759Yeah ralsei did it, you don't get to do shit
>>4069712>alphys gets interviewed on the surface by humans asking about what happened>"If I was in that throne room with my robots, it wouldn't have went down like it did," she said. "There would have been a lot of blood on those flowers and then me saying, 'Ok, we're going to move somewhere safe, don't worry.'"
>>4069758Bro I couldn't dodge the tiny bullets bro it was literally trying to murder me I was only acting in self-defense
>>4069764She already did during Gerson Statue fight. It still got obliterated.
>>4069760>FORCING him to wear the hatThat was a good thing though
>>4069771Fuck OFF Orange
>>4069768Nothing she did or said in ch4 was remembered by the narrative so that doesnt count, she now believes the idea of attacking darkners at all is bad and will stop Kris from ever violently defeating enemies in ch6. This also follows up the fact she started as the complete opposite, totally unwilling to spare something until she found something that punished her for her refusal to be kind
>>4069746There's no way Toriel could've know Chara would've been revived because another determined human with the same type of soul and body as her would fall and revive her
They could have just made the party members fully ai and gotten better results
>>4068477>Composer, Lead Guitarist, Lead Vocalist: December "Dess" Holiday>Composer, Rhythm Guitarist, Backing Vocalist: Asriel "Azzy" Dreemurr>Drummer: "Pizzapants" >Pianist, Keyboardist: Kris Dreemurr>Tracking Engineer, Mixing Engineer, Mastering Engineer: Napstablook>Music Publisher: HOMETOWN MUSIC GROUPKino indeed.
>>4069758>CoL is traumatized by being stuck in a locker
>>4069776Party members already have AI, tho?
>they are now fantasizing about being highschool bullies against their boogiemanyeah these threads are fuckin lost, im out.
>>4069780It's hot to think about, though. I'll tell you what I did to him after another time.
>>4068477Absolute kino indeed
>>4069780Good riddance.
>>4069780good
>>4069780>He finally decided to be a better manGood for himhttps://files.catbox.moe/ut97aq.jpg
>>4069731Jilted spergs, etc etc
>>4069780See you tomorrow where you will have yet another mental breakdown
>>4069692This is true, you have no actual reason to accept any judgement from any of the monsters. They can call you evil all they want, it doesn't make it true.
>>4069779Not these ones. They cannot adapt to fighting enemies or use items themselves unless the game says they behave in an extremely specific way for one specific boss.It's this strange in between state of controllable party members and scripted party members that doesn't help anyone.You want an example of ai party members, Dragon Quest 4. The party members expand their knowledge of how to fight the more monsters you fight and the more of a type of monster you fight.For example, the priest initially can use instant death spells against enemies that resist them, so after enough battles doing that and failing, he'll know not to use the spell against that specific enemy.There's the tactics menu as well, which expands on this, so you can have your warrior focus exclusively on attacking or for your mages to obliterate the enemy as fast as possible regardless of how much mp it costs.Then of course the sequel made it so you can just have the party members do what you tell them in battle, so everyone wins.Did I mention how nice it would be to have the game on PC?
>>4069799>For example, the priest initially can use instant death spells against enemies that resist them, so after enough battles doing that and failing, he'll know not to use the spell against that specific enemyEnix did this in like 2 years dev time while we let Toby had 10 years of dev time and all we got was a platformer insteadIf Toby hates RPGs so much why did he advertise it as one?
>>4069801Amazing question.
>>4069776ACTing and telling your party members what to do is part of the plot
>>4069809Until the game randomly decides you can't for the rest of the game lol
https://soundcloud.com/f-nephews-music-archive/critical_health_sans_battle
>>4069810The point is that they're your own people, weird is right there if you want to fully control a party member.
>Oooooo just watch, once that white dog publishes the last few chapters he's gonna pull a Hussie>Oooooo it's going to be obvious that he's learned nothing from HS>Uuuuuu get ready for sub-chapters on top of sub-chapters, it's going to suckSo how do you fully understand these deranged proclaimants without sifting through the incredible weight of eight thousand webcomic pages first?I've seen some shitpost images come by every now and again, like the finale only consisting of a couple cutscenes and that's it, but this rabbit hole clearly goes deeper
>>4069801>Enix did this in like 2 years dev time while we let Toby had 10 years of dev time and all we got was a platformer insteadCounterpoint: Toby is a lazy nigger that is now getting worried because he has to deliver. You can't suck dicks forever in Japan when people already paid for your game, desu
>>4069816Then go all the way and make them fully aiI'd love to see Susie and ralsei knowing how to build up to pacify enemies in their own
>>4069801toby's a shit coder and since deltarune was inspired by a myriad of rpg's, it makes sense that it would also be one unfortunately, that first point severely affects dev time and the game itself
>>4069050i had a really bad chip on my shoulder against chapter 2 when I first played it because of this exact scenario. nowadays it doesn't bother me nearly as much, but Spamton being the only SC possessor that you can easily softlock yourself out still makes it an annoying outlier
>>4069817There's no succinct way to explain it.Toby spent a few years living in Hussie's basement when Homestuck was newish. Hussie was already kind of nuts by then and people (correctly) posit that this experience had a lasting effect on Toby.The short of it from there is that Homestuck somehow managed to scope creep a premise that already had an excessively broad scope, and it did so about two or three times over. Each new cast felt more like a dialogue with a few deranged sectors of the fandom and less like a purposeful expansion of the narrative. This all happened in act six out of seven, which itself was divided down into "act acts" and "act act acts" to accommodate all the different plotlines that were now ongoing.Ended in act 7, a single long animation that didn't resolve the majority of the plot threads.The problem with theorizing that Toby will follow Hussie is that even by this stage of Homestuck, Hussie was also online and arguing with his own fans, directly.
>>4069812neatif we're gonna share soundcloud songs, i like this one toohttps://soundcloud.com/shipel/chapter-1-track-08-burnt-into
>>4069828https://soundcloud.com/broom-341991746/burning-eyes-cover
>>4069826Deltarune releases are getting quicker, tho, not shorter. 6 is next year. 7A development begins soon. 7B is already 30% done.
>>4069829sounds like a Kirby song desu
>>4069823>toby's a shit coder and since deltarune was inspired by a myriad of rpg'sThe steam page explicitly states that Deltarune is inspired by Chrono TriggerTake that what you knowI haven't played that game yet, so I don't know how Deltarune is mechanically similar to CT
>>4069833Chrono Trigger have positioning system for attacks. I'm sure if Deltarune had that system, a certain schizo would have whined about it being "impure" RPG.
>>4069833Chrono Trigger has a fixed main character until he fucking DIES.You save him by swapping him for a body double at his moment of death to prevent a paradox. But now he doesn't have to be party lead anymore.It's not looking good for the vessel in side A, is it?
>>4069828This reminds me of my late teens, when my Soundcloud likes mostly consisted of AU Megalovania versions.https://soundcloud.com/starfury2/spongeswap-bibulus-my-take
>>4069833Chrono trigger lets you fight the final boss from the moment you get a legit party of four.As the game progresses more options to make that last fight easier show up.Deltarune doesn't do that.
hopefully when all this is over, we can all remember our genocides
>>4069843>Blue the birdObjectively better than what we got
>>4069843Frog
>>4069542I'm not even mad at her. In the same situation I'd probably act the same way.
>>4069851I've never been gay
>>4069821It's too much work for the dog, he doesn't know how to make things that complex.
>>4069836I will let Kris die before my vessel gets hurt.
>>4069542unless she straight up apologizes to kris for being a shit friend after ch5, no>but kris is working with the knight!was the case before becoming friends, if anything kris is betraying the knight by being friends with susie
>>4069843Chapter 5 if it sucked.
Give ramb his shadow crystal toby you MEAN SPIRITED asshole!The other schizos keep making fun of him
>>4069843makes more sense than them arbitrarily pretending to be humans.
>>4069859>Defending the ugly muscular man with a wide nose and inflamed lips in a tutu and hair that a ballerina would never wear
>>4069837I remember that one, AU megalos were the best thing back when we only had undertale and maybe later on when we only had deltarune ch1https://soundcloud.com/frak_ture/boneliest>>4069829i like the ending of that cover in particular
>>4069853Not wanting to fuck Noelle IS gay, Anon.
>>4069857she did apologize in ch5. kris interrupted her. that piece of shit thinks he does not deserve apology
>>4069864Not if your a girlFuck that yuri shit
>>4069866there are no girls on the internet
>>4069862I like the flowers being humans and Blue would still be a gay nigger, just a gay duck nigger instead.
https://soundcloud.com/you/likesAnyone remember when people thought the knight would be the nightmare knight from cucumber quest?
>>4069876black knife is basically nightmare knight
>>4069860Ramb will return in chapter 6, that's why he has no merch. Toby is saving him for chapter 6Trust the planAlso>picGerson giving his shadow crystal to Ramb is so in-character
>>4069876Which is funny, because the cucumber quest dev is in the teamAlso dawg, you didn't share anything
>>4069542I don't even feel that much resentment towards her. I'm not too disappointed in the Suselle shit (even though I do feel for Kris and how he clearly fell for Susie by the end of Chapter 4) and shit's probably going to blow up in her face hard next chapter.
>>4069869I don't like the way the blue flower looks, this is the first character design I find revolting in this game
So when is toby gonna reveal ralsei is trans?
>>4069890In your birthday
>>4069881I honestly smiled hard when I saw Blue being called a "he" because I knew integrity being male was going to mindbreak people.
>>4069879kek i didn't realize thathttps://soundcloud.com/zasriel/deltarune-conceptual-vs-knightThere you go
I hope ch6 isn't ALL doom and gloom all the time, if we're actually gonna have Noelle in the party I want to at least explore some stuff and get a lot of quirky flavor text like in all the other chapters.
>>4069908There's the piles of unused Noelle dialogue for item descriptions and stuff since Chapter 3 which may be finally utilized for a brief moment in Chapter 6. But on another hand I find it kinda unlikely her welcoming party to Castle Town will play out straight and dandy just like that.
>>4069909something to note that a lot of noelle's unused dw stuff is directed at kris, which implies it's just the two of them again
>>4069909People assume that Ralsei is gonna be the one to leave the party as predicted by Dragon Blazers but I got a feeling it won't be that simple. Imagine if it's Susie who gets left behind. Or Kris. Or yeah, maybe we'll be split 2 and 2 again.
>>4069911It would be kind of an odd choice to leave Kris and Noelle alone again in the dark world, in the one chapter you have no Weird Route content to play
>>4069917There's no established WR to play but Noelle, knowing ch2 wasn't a dream, can possibly make her own conclusions about the nature of the Dark Worlds. Maybe the point will be that Noelle waking up is inevitable and the only difference is the path that leads her to that. We already know that Noelle can rationalize just about anything that happens to her however it suits her.
>>4069869>gay blue dancer duckHey isn't that one of the starters from Pokemon sv
>>4069917I assume 6 will be a very linear chapter so we won't be able to pull off any jackass stunts like we could in 2.
>>4069908>>4069909I doubt Noelle is going to be in the mood for happy adventures with Kris. Remember, Rudy is probably dying in the hospital. I can see it work if she starts behaving like Susie and chooses to escape her problems by going to the Dark World for a brief moment until everything crumbles when Rudy finally dies at the end of the chapter.
Aside from Umineko, what other visual novels do you think Toby has played/taken inspirations from?I have a sneaking suspicion that he played Tsukihime. He did call himself "king of ero games" after all
>The enemies all just have copy/pasted HP and ATNice RPG there Toby...
>>4069969I find this extremely lame because writing down enemy stats is one of my autistic tendencies
>>4069967Ace Attorney Though that's something everyone already knew since Undertale's release
>>4069971Not to start the ancient debate but does Ace Attorney really count as a VN?
>>4069972If it's on VNDB then it counts as a VN
>>4069860>4 years imagining and waiting to see who the next schizos would be>not a single one in 3 to 5>schizos pretty much deconfirmed for 6 and 7>the very concept of getting more schizos gets mocked in 3 different ways by the game>my hopes and dreams curb stomped
>>4069908Noelle isn't gonna be in the party to subvert your expectations. Nope you'll be stuck with the purple dino and uwu boy until the end of time. The most interesting thing you'll get is Ralsei teasing FireShock some more (but he still won't let you use it)
>>4069974Personally i think Ramb and Gerson work fine. I much prefer all of them being different (even Spamton and Jevil were very different from each other) than those designs that fans made that were just Spamton 2Pink sucks ass though, i agree with that one
>>4069976until noelle game + where you go back and try to fix everything with the actual heroes
>>4069967999, maybe? This based on nothing but a certain feeling I got.
>>4069976Noelle has done jack shit in the Normal Route to justify her special snowflake status so no I don't actually want her in the party. Her character is very bare bones without the WR's recontextualization.
>>4069977>RambHe didn't get a fight nor a shadow crystal nor a theme song nor a voice bit nor a shopkeeper screen nor anything at allHe is a walking dunk on people who wanted more of that sort of character>GersonNostalgia wank returning UT character that took out all the edge from his UT version and was used to push Susie wank>PinkNostalgia wank returning UT character who already had two canonical fights in UT and didn't take advantage of her connection to Asgore at all
>>4069980most of her characterization is actually in the spamton sweepstakes with her blog posts something like 70% of what we actually know about her comes from there, with 10% being in the normal route and 20% being in weird toby really fucked up with that, the average normie is not going to go digging through some dead arg to actually understand what's up with a character
The other day I dreamed I was exploring Castle Town, everything was fine and dandy with the quirky Darkners but at one point I entered another area and the whole thing was melting into a giant lava pool
>>4069984All the cat petters shit we take for granted comes from out of game sources that have been said to not be strictly canon from the start
>>4069985Never open a dark world while playing the floor is lava, worst mistake of my life
>>4069969Deltarune is a VN with light adventure and danmaku elements (and that's a good thing)
>>4069982>>Ramb>He didn't get a fight nor a shadow crystal nor a theme song nor a voice bit nor a shopkeeper screen nor anything at allAnd yet that didn't stop him for becoming my favorite Toby character ever
>>4069517>something you were enjoying at the start become "wasted potential" later onIt hits worse when said something was one of a kind and never happening again
>>4069986in ch5 noelle does mention her blog if you pick certain options at the festival, so that does exist in canon
>>4069991I love Ramb but LOVE is given in UTDR by battling your favorite charactersThere is a reason people are mad Asgore didn't do anything in 5
>>4069969The difficulty comes from the different attack patterns and the bosses, Undertale and Deltarune are barely RPGs.
>>4069978>actual heroesVessel, Noelle and...?
>>4069483I would unironically love to play that guy's bizarre version of what he thinks Deltarune should have been
How can I get a happy ending for Kris and Noelle?
>>4069997Unless his fight is like Gerson's where it's a friendly duel, I don't like the idea of Ramb having a boss fightI'm sure he would've handed Kris a shadow crystal with no strings attached if he had it
>>4070001Apparently he drew this recently.
>>4070002You need to kidnap Toby.
>>4070006I see two ways to go with it>friendly duel where Ramb wants to give Kris a fun fight>the tail of hell plugs into his face and turns him into a beastly WererambThe issue is, Seam had already locked the chapter 3 secret boss into a few options with "it might be just possible". I can go on about the game being poorly planned and structured but that's another story.
>>4070007Kino
>>4070007I guess I can kinda see the vision there.
>>4070007SOVLful.
>>4070007you know at least he's drawing, some people dont bother going that far
>>4070007where did you even get that?
>>4070021From the piece of paper on my desk
>>4070007hey it's a start! maybe there's still HOPE for him left..
>>4069990what is even happening here
you know, there's a pretty good chance that susie killed blue and yellow by shoving them into the same container in an attempt to save flowery these flowers are very delicate and many, many years past their due date anyone but asgore tampering with them at all could have catastrophic consequences
>>4070034what you said makes sense but it won't happen because susie is mary susie and toby wouldn't make her kill darkners even if unknowingly
>>4070034>The thrashed church is definitely going to have consequences!Toby is not going to kill off the wholesome gay couple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0i3sjeL60MVery nice album. Comments has a link with FLACs.
>>4070025Being a drawfag makes you slightly based, CoL.
>>4070037the church wasn't something susie did directlymessing with blue and yellow is
>>4070034>Susie killing a yellow+blue duo without intending toThat sure sounds like foreshadowing, just saying.
>>4070040wow! even LESS likely it will mean something bad later
>>4070038>twilight reveriethe penumbra phantasm dream died before it could runwas the reason for it a good one?
I hope Flowery does stay dead not because I hate him but keeping him alive is gonna undermine the emotional impact so much
>>4070035Yuuup. Our HERO doesn't make mistakes
>>4070038Man, this actually sounds a lot better than expected. Thanks for sharing, anon.
>>4070046Did you play Chapter 5 at all? It was pointed out multiple times that moving the flowers to the closet would end up killing them irl, so they won't reappear again. Susie will only take care of the flowers, give them water, etc, while Asgore is gone.
>>4070045You're just saying shit.>>4070048Thanks, I really liked it a lot too. Gotta eventually get this put in my car.
>>4070045penumbra's main motif was made by another dude who passed away, so toby said he wouldn't reference it again out of respect
>>4070046>Tenna's death
>>4069999turns out eram is the real princess alone in deepest dark. but it'll probably just be (you), Ralsei, and Noelle if side b is fully playable which I doubt it will be
>>4070052>George Buzinkai died on November 4, 2018Damn. That sure is some shit timing.
>>4070054*prince
no one is allowed to die this is a wholesomerino game
>>4069999vessel (cage), kris (the girl), noelle (the prince (feminine))
Is 7b ever going to address what Susie and Ralsei were up to while Kris and Noelle went for a swim?
>>4070052>againWhat significance does Penumbra Phantasm has being in Hopes & Dreams?https://youtu.be/7lUvyvYgHl4?t=78shttps://youtu.be/wbO3p7_Mf30?t=78s
>>4070058>(the prince (feminine))Oh come on. Noelle doesn't fit that archetype at all
>>4070060Toby's HOPES and DREAMS of finishing Deltarune
>>4070052I don't get that part. Aren't you honoring the person by using their work? That's how tributes works I think>>4070055>suicide happens literally few days after Deltarune chapter 1's release Shit timing indeed Penumbra Phantasm being in The Holy is intentional, but don't think Toby will admit it
>>4070056thanks anon. i was typing too fast
>>4070064The part of penumbra in the Holy isn't the Doctor leittmotif.Toby still uses the other bits from it in new songs like Dump.
noelle would allow ralsei rancher that bitch susie is depriving MY castle down from good ol' country hospitality
>>4070072Nah bro...
>>4070072>that country jingle bells song in noelle's blogI wish Yellow had been the Rudy expy instead of the golden flower.
Noelle could hate Ralsei. Think about it: he's compliant, submissive, until now he's been allowing the prophecy happen just as it is, despite having the power to change it, and instead he lets Susie and Kris suffer. He's in a very similar helpless, self victimizing situation Noelle can recognize herself through his (lack of) shoes and be forced to confront her feelings in an alternative way she goes crazy mode in the Chapter 5 WR, by projecting the crap out of her hatred for her situation on him. Being also an Asriel doppleganger from an age she probably would feel nostalgic for too could make her like him at first but later add some insult to injury, especially his attempts to please and suck up Kris, when Noelle is the one who knows Kris much better than he could even imagine.
>>4069999Kris!
>>4070119I don't wanna fuck kris
>>4070120You must be gay or something
>>4070119noelle would be absolutely beside herself if she had two humans to gush over 24/7. shame that her heaven will have to be banished though
>>4070120impossible kris was hand crafted to be the most molestable, rapable character ever devised
>>4070113Interesting idea actually. Specially because i don't think Noelle will be very accepting of Susie's idea to go to cloud cuckooland as her father is dying so she wont be in the best mood
>>4070127my money is on kris giving noelle the tldr on dark worlds between chapters so susie can't just dump her idealized fantasy land on hercould also be used as a wedge to split suselle as it was susie's idea to lie to noelle (and berdly) about dw's to begin with
>>4070129I don't Kris would be that slimy, especially because The Plan seems to rely on Suselle actually happening which is why Kris has been accepting this nonsense with their mouth shut all this timeIt seems very possible Chapter 6 doesn't just begin on a new day though. Also we need to have the payoff to whatever the fuck Kris did the night between Chapter 4 and 5
>>4070129I can see this being possible if we find out later that Kris went to Noelle's house with Toriel after what happened to Rudy (Kris has several missed calls on their phone at the end of ch5) Kris and Noelle would have plenty of time to talk about stuff or reconnect, and then it would be mentioned by Noelle while she is talking to Susie
>>4070130That's really dumbThe game shouldn't have an ntr plot shoved into its main story as part of an ancient prophecy apparently written by the AngelThis ancient immortal deity shouldn't want two girls to be part of the 44%
>>4070130Keeping Susie's dumb hopes up is probably the only way to actually affect the prophesy. The final tragedy only happens when all hope is lost. Susie HAS to at least fake it till they all make it.
>>4070126Buttsex is gross
>>4070138I'm sure Kris can survive another 48 hours of cucking before the prophecy assrapes Susie out of space and time
>>4070138What if Kris knows something we don't? Deltarune could be some lame time-loop story, and Kris is doing things differently this time to see if things turn out better. Maybe Noelle gaining affection/falling in love with Kris triggers something very bad, and Kris wants to keep her away from them. I know it sounds shitty. I'm not really a fan of the idea, but it's possible.
>>4070113but anon, i've been waiting years for ralselle to become a mainstream ship, please tell me how can it happen
>>4070145kris and noelle want children but need a dickenter the 12 inches
>>4070145Inside your mind everything is possible, crackship anon
>>4070145>please tell me how can it happenYou won't like the answer, trust me
>>4070144Don't try to reason with cuckfags, they're actually enjoying it.
>>4070145Ralselle sounds like a ship that would happen witj homestuck writing after the universe is reset and trans Ralsei and Noelle get together after Susie was pulverized and replaced with "Suzy" or something
>>4070142I can't, the game forced me to watch when they could have just let you skip it like the into cutscene
>>4070148>crackshipI thought that term only applied to ships that are completely nonsensical. as in shit like (random character from series A) and (random character from unrelated series B) together.
Ralsei is not real guys, remember?His butt is not real nor his micro dick
>>4070155yeah it's more of rarepair
>>4070039if being able to make doodles on paper makes you a drawfag, then i guess everyone is a drawfag
>>4070156HE IS REAL TO ME, GOD DAMMIT.
>>4070155>ships that are completely nonsensicalYou just described Ralselle>muh fire and iceI can only see hostility there
>>4070162Your feelings for darkners are not real
>>4070156With enough hopium he could be the realest boy that ever was
>>4070156>>4070007He's real to Susie.
>>4070156>micro dickanon...
>>4070178How big do you think he would be by now if the jannies didn't sperg out?
>>4070181I think he would die of aids first
>>4069622Damnand we already accepted anything that happens
>>4069902Must be miserable living like that
>>4070031little among us man with the fingers recall that noelle makes an among us joke in ch.4
>>4069999People should draw the bold vessel too.
>>4070215*Bald, fuck.
Test
How do you refer to the SOUL?- I- You- We- It- All of them- None of them
>>4070220(you)
>>4070220
>>4070220"(You)"
>>4070222but its not me
>>4070232The heart IS you for all intents and purposes
>>4070235it doesnt even animate
>>4070238And? It's the closest thing to purely representing you in the game. None of the pixels are LITERALLY YOU in any game.
>>4070238It's glow have breathing-like pulsation.
>>4070244it can barely do anything, is treated as a parasite by the fanbase and it never gets to have interactions with any of the characters. its not a character, definitely not my character
>>4070244SOUL is player character on layer 1Kris is player character on layer 2HERO_SWORD is player character on layer 3
why is the vessel important?
>>4070279You saw how Spamton was with the idealized dream body he stole?Imma do big things too when I get mine back
>>4070288>big thingsenjoy the linear game design and writing that mocks you for wanting to make progress in the adventure
>>4070279it's (you)r workout ready bodykris is strong, no doubt about that, but she greatly limits herself to prevent (you) from doing whatever (you) want to everyone the vessel would have no such issue
>>4070291it would have the issue of the game finding some other excuse to not let you do anything
>>4070292unfortunately, that's toby's m.o.
>>4070294he doesn't deserve his money then if he hates his players
>>4070295we accepted the possibility of pain and seizure when we first opened survey_programsaid seizure meant that toby was going to take away (you)r fun
>>4070290I mean I was told since the very beginning my choices didn't matter. Now if that stays true till the very end is the question
>>4070288>>4070291i don't wanna leave my nigga kris :(side b/wr is all about breaking the script>x was used upwe'll shatter that too. trust..
>>4070300well, depending on who you believe the actual heroes are, you'd still be with kris even if you get the vessel back
>>4070298then should remained survey_program. its deltarune now, you know the thing with that epic intro cutscene that i still watch
the vessel wouldnt even let you inspect stuff, a kris with his brain fried couldnt do that
>>4070304the vessel is made of sterner stuffkris is great and all, but she is a trauma stricken wreck that only functions after years of therapy and some vague promise
>>4070300Nah. It's pretty fucking telling when the only shadow crystal boss you skip on Weird is the one that demonstrates understanding and teamwork.Kris is a goner.
>>4070306i have my suspicions that it has no brain to speak of like all those of the gonersAnything to stop you from typing in some numbers or playing a piano or even inspect drawers or attack enemies according to Toby Fox.
>>4070309you are required to give it some baseline of a personality right? favourite taste, colour, emotion, etcit might be a bit simple, but i doubt it would be completely braindead
>>4070304Oh that's a good point. Chapter 5 really hammered in how the narration comes from Kris and without that there'd beNo check dialogueNo flavor textNo battle narrationWe'll just be all alone, simply killing for killing's sakeFunny to think this is what I wanted when my Vessel was first discarded, now I want nothing to do with it
>>4070298I didnt, I said no.
>>4070304I think that was just Kris actively refusing your control. I dont know where the idea he's given up or his brain is fried is coming from, you open the chapter having to mash the hell out of the controls to force him out of bed and every step you take until susie joins you is being resisted and struggled against. He's clearly just resisting you as hard as he possibly can, and that includes not inspecting anything when told to
>>4070312Refusing to acknowledge the possibility does not mean the possibility suddenly disappears.
I wonder if the other options in the Vessel maker will determine stats and characteristics of it>WHAT IS ITS FAVORITE FOOD?SWEETSOFTSOURSALTYPAINCOLDyou get more healing from items that have the flavor of its favorite food. if you made your vessel a masochist, you will get more TP when hurt in battle. if you picked cold, your vessel will marry noelle>WHAT COLOR DOES IT LIKE MOST?REDBLUEGREENCYANmaybe the dark world form of it will get some kind of color to it depending on what you chose there. if you picked cyan, your vessel will marry kris>PLEASE GIVE IT A GIFT.KINDNESSMINDAMBITIONBRAVERYVOICEthis might boost certain stats. bravery increases tp gain from grazing, ambition raises attack, mind increases magic (assuming the vessel can use it), kindness boosts max hp, and voice boosts the effectiveness of sparing (assuming we can spare as the vessel). also if you picked bravery, your vessel will marry orangeNow as for how you feel about it, along with the pain/seizure and if you answered honestly I doubt will affect anything (it says the vessel won't hear how you feel about it)
>>4070311i said it last year, that past chapter 4, getting the vessel back is meaningless.the damage has already been doneit doesnt take back the fountains made right in front of you that go unpunishedit doesnt take back being unable to get the shelter codes either because the whole shelter plotline is skipped on the weird route>>4070310Haven't you heard? Men like Toby Fox don't like it when you have a character of your own, they prefer inanimate objects so you can just watch instead of having your own adventure.
Why do normies actually believe Flowey would be unbeatable? In pretty fun AU scenarios people can make, they're absolute buzzkills who explain that Flowey would stomp us and ashkually he's the god of this universe.I'm the first one to laugh with him, but he's full of fake stats and even a Kris from the Normal Route managed to kick their ass. I hate that it attracts so many kids who jerk off to headcanons and disgusting gender theories.
>>4070328because they fell for his bullshit just like susieralsei knows his stats are fake, kris knows his stats are fake, it's only susie who believes it and the knight proves it's bullshit by cutting away the tails of the 9's to make 0's
>>4070328because he pulls a genocide sans and cheats
>>4070069Where is the penumbra motif on Dump?
>>4070328Let's talk about magic. What is possible with magic? It seems like "bullets" is the most common form of magic. Create flame, then throw it while controlling it's trajectory. Create boulder, throw it. Create water droplets, throw it. Create energy spears, throw it. Create bullet minions, which then create their own bullets, which explode into more bullets, etc. Etc, etc. Might have come variation, like spikes from the ground or something. Lasers is the other form.What about more interesting magic? Telekinesis. Mind reading. Turn someone into a frog. Scrying. Creating wards/enchanting objects. Increasing luck.Sans have gravity manipulation and teleportation, but those are seemingly unrelated to magic and more like science and exploits.Prophecy was created by someone, so prophetic visions might be a form of magic.Human equipment are seemingly enchanted, but why? Humans don't have magic, and no monster ever helped a human. Attack power work against monsters because monster biology, sure, but what about healing and other more bizarre effects? Does Underground works under Dark World rules or something? Or it's not "magic", but another quirk of the world, like how shop keepers are invulnerable?
>>4070328Flowery would be a lategame enemy or boss at best if he was in any other jrpg even if his fake stats were real
>>4070059Probably going to explain how they got into ROOTS before we kill them.
>>4070127People really memoryholed the fact that in Chapter 2 Noelle was the first one to want to make more fountains to live in the Dark World, huh.
>>4070126This. Everyone wants to rape them. Truly the most molestable character of all time.https://litter.catbox.moe/ry6gthi3a3eeoh7v.jpeg
>>4070279It's our freedom body. We are free when we use it. With it we will finally be able to determine fate in Chapter 7, which was the chapter that was never written.
>>4070304Thankfully we shaped the Vessel's mind so it has thoughts and feelings to narrate stuff for us.
>>4070328Because they're dumb, Flowery not even being the main boss of his fight in 7B will shut them up.
>>4070372That artist draws a cute VesselShame that she also gives it weird proportions too but her sprites are ok
>>4070113He does not have "power to change it".He likely does have to power to "break" it, but why would he do so? If he does that everyone will die. Prophecy exists to save the worlds, the threat of Roaring would happen regardless of it.
*crickets*
>>4070380I like the fact it has big tits and tights.
>>4070388They look too big to me
>>4070372The SFB Vessel theory doesn't sound too bad now that I think about it...
>>4070394Nonsense!
>>4070387WHERE
>>4070387https://youtube.com/watch?v=6q8NOzhtJCg
Give me your takes for what the Grey Fish room will represent in the future
>>4070415Undyne+Alphys fight where once we kill Undyne Alphys drops her defenses and gives up.
>>4070415Goner Undyne mini boss in Chapter 7B
>>4070415It's clearly Alphys and her three never seen before siblings, Elphys, Olphys and Ulphys.Ok no, honestly I am not sure, it might be an Alphys and Undyne fight, and there's just 4 lizards because it's simply one of the differences between Mantle and the actual events, or it might be something else.
>>4070423I think there's 4 lizards simply because the fish only having one support would make it too easy.
>>4070427Yeah, I think Mantle does show future events, but it's clear that it doesn't show them exactly how they will be played out, both to not spoil everything, and also to adapt it better to Mantle's gameplay style.
>>4070429The best example is the maze where we follow Noelle is far more complicated than the lake skip ended up being.
>>4070415Toby giving us the "Alphys takes action" fight we didn't get in Geno.
>>4070415I think the whole third board might have been simply a "I know what you are" for completionist fans
>>4070220(You) duh
>>4070247>parasite>doesn't interact with other peopleSo it's literally (You) then
>>4070323you're giving tobert too much creditthe most we will get if we are lucky enough for the vessel to even reappear is it having the appearance you picked, and maybe a flavor text about the choices, but otherwise it won't be that big of a change
"Thank you for watching my dream" is how Deltarune will end. You'll interact with many Hometown citizens, all saying some variation of that. Then you'll seal Hometown's Grand Fountain.
>>4070434Holy shit i'm retarded. It took me until reading this to realize that part was foreshadowing the lake skip
>>4070449Then after the credits Gaster will say "THANK YOU SO MUCH-A-FOR-TO PLAYING MY GAME"
>>4070449gayso it will happen
>>4070449so pretty much mother 3's ending, bravo toberto
>>4070449Do we at least get a dance number
Its basically impossible to deliver on all these theories thats why you dont theory bait
https://youtu.be/qAFD0yfA0ys
>>4070449>Seal Hometown grand fountain Your balance bro? Your balance between Light and Dark bro?
>>4070463If both Dark and Light worlds are sealed, there's no need to worry about balance. 0 = 0
>>4070465If you just destroy the world there's no need to save it.
>>4070466You destroy the world for the hope that the next world will fare better.In 7B you destroy the world for good, ending the cycle of destruction and creation.
>>4070308"kris is the lonely dark prince" stocks rising
>>4070308Chapter 4's Crystal was wholesome, too
>>4070472Wholesome for Susie though.
>>4070467That would be lame as doodooThere's nothing on Deltarune that suggests any kind of palingenesis
>>4070475I suppose Kris didn't do anything, huh? It was just Susie and SOUL.
>>4070480As far as Susie's aware she's still following Kris's commands which is why she's controllable
>>4070484We're her "Kris", tho, so she's right.
>>4070490Now that I think of it, has Susie had any soulless Kris interaction that was lasting or offscreen? Does she have even the tiniest hint that the Kris she's fond of isn't 100% Kris?
>>4070507this will not be expanded upon until maybe chapter 7 when the player finally gets the vessel back where this interaction will have minimal consequences because it's at the end of the game
>>4070507ch.4 i remember lampshading this that susie doesn't think kris is out of the ordinary at all, since she's only interacted with kris a small handful of times before ch.1noelle meanwhile compares it to kris "being on speaker," some kind of dulling or distortion to his voice and commands
>>4070507Nope, unless you count the newestgirl blog post.
>>4070507>has Susie had any soulless Kris interactionYes, it's in ch5 balloon ending. It's basically identical, so she doesn't notice shit.
>>4070455people aren't dooming that deltarune is just going to be a more hackish mother 3 finale for no reason, anon
>>4070554>the "just say Deltarune" shitpost actually got a thread deletedDAMN this is getting sad
>>4070562think of it this waywe now have the perfect method to force the janny to actually do his job and clean up the board
>>4070554Yeah they're kill on sight when it comes to Deltarune. I wonder if we'll be able to have at least one thread when the next newsletter comes out. They're also constantly monitoring this thread, they even blocked my IP range from /vrpg/, pretty funny. Hey at least it can get entire threads deleted though.
>>4070565Never let anyone forget the Roll incident
Third Route copers...https://youtu.be/DJkq03bvUzw
>>4070569>They're also constantly monitoring this threadBut then they say they aren't mindbroken kek
>>4070569I think we might have pissed the mods too much for that, when the last newsletter was released they didn't even allow a thread on it for awhile.
>>4070577they have to make sure we aren't making a general on /v/in order to do that, they need to monitor our activity 24/7 and delete any posts that say anything negative about the site's staff
>>4070582The behavior of someone who isn't mindbroken, of course
what if the one thing chapter 6 gonna clarify are the eggs? Think about it, chapter 5 has the final egg, and the Mew dialogue is the closest thing to acknowledging eggs by a major character, and it foreshadows FRIEND/ERAMI'm not sure how Toby will delay the importance of eggs until chapter 7
So Mantle isn't the original game, is it? It wouldn't mention Kris by name or have the Light world shelter in it if it was.
>>4070589>I'm not sure how Toby will delay the importance of eggs until chapter 7Don't underestimate the vaguepost king
>>4070592It was, but then it was corrupted by ERAM. It probably wasn't even called Mantle originally.
>>4070592Mantle is much closer to the original game than The Legend of TV Time, but yeah it seems clear that some parts have been bolted on by ERAM to with Kris. Probably a case of Tenna's game being a fully made premeditated new game made on the bones of the original while Mantle was ERAM popping his head in on Kris playing the normal game.
>>4070589Chapter 6 is "straightforward" chapter. Meaning no detours like Secret Bosses or Eggs.
>>4070589nope, toby said that we'll have one (1) thing clarified and that's it said thing is probably the knight, and based on his wording i doubt it's going to be dess knight
>>4070575>changed noelle looking disappointedguess too many people were using it as fuel to justify noelle secretly disliking susie?
https://files.catbox.moe/d7jx2z.mp4Are you looking forward to Chapter 6 Aborted Route?
>>4070617Fuck man i lost my WR save when chapter 3 and 4 released and i've been too lazy to do it again
>>4070607>is probably the knightWhy people are retarded? Knight is OBVIOUSLY will not be revealed until Chapter 7. Even if Chapter 5 was full of drama and plot, Knight reveal would be still Chapter 7 material.
>>4070617nothing will come out of it because toby will half ass the route. none of the aborted route consequences will come to fruition except a dialogue or two
>>4070610>Yet another knee-jerk reaction changeI'm slowly starting to hate Toby.
>>4070624/v/ should have been the project leader
>>4070575>>4070610every patch that changes things that aren't blatant bugs is toby compromising his vision you do not have a dev cycle this long and not pour over every single part of the game, especially not a perfectionist like toby somebody on his team probably mentioned that aborted noelle made it seem like suselle would get tanked, so he fixed it because it implied that noelle actually wasn't going insane on the weird route when she said she hated everyone and everything in hometown
>>4070624Chapter 5 abortion will result in Chapter 6 Dead End.
>>4070607toby also said "you'll be surprised by what was missing" so it could be dess related, at least I'm hoping we finally get some answers. would be the perfect time to reveal who dess is for normie players without being a knight reveal (even if she doesn't end up being the knight)
>>4070610>>4070625I mean Noelle still is seething over failing to cross the other side and the world being snapped back to the way it's supposed to be. I think the only reason he changed it was to have consistency with all the sprites that involve Susie holding Noelle.
>>4070621what else would it be? toby has done a pretty piss poor job at letting people know what the fuck is actually happening in this 'story' and said that he would clear up a misconception the only thing that it could be would be the knight, unless he's talking about some meme shit like troonsei or the doelester
>>4070625Did he really patch that?Like, seriously? On quotes this important? Fucking hell, patches were a mistake for these wannabe-ass writers. Imagine novels being rewritten because they don't like how they turned out anymore, or because they have to pander to the audience. Or because the author woke up on the wrong side of the bed. I'm actually starting to root for a catastrophic flop on this endless finale.
>>4070627/v/rune hack after the game is finished trust the plan
>>4070633could easily fix that then by making a new sprite where noelle is looking down/away from susie but still in that pose instead, but I guess they lazy'd out
>>4070575Toby is such a coward
>>4070634In Undertale, New Home revealed Asriel. I would guess Chapter 6 will reveal Asriel and Dess
>>4070631if the normies still don't know who dess is they're beyond saving i get that 'who the fuck is dess' was a meme in the ch2 era but after 3&4 there's no excuse it's already bad enough that toby is designing the base game for the lowest common denominator, with the only actual difficulty coming from janky hitboxes on certain bosses
>>4070607If Rudy, Carol, and now AmalgamKnight werent popular theories I'd see that, but you could easily make the argument Toby is refering to the people who want it to be anyone BUT dess when he says "Whether you're ready or not"Also it just occured to me, "Ready or not", like what most people say when a game of hide and seek starts. "Ready or not, here I come!" That might be important, that might be nothing
>>4070637I think it still lands either way. Noelle's cheerfulness over being in Susie's arms still contrasts massively with her internally despairing over the fact that she wasn't able to break her role.
>>4070635>Imagine novels being rewrittenWeb-novels are like that. Authour writes a sequel, but he wants to add something that contradicts the original. Instead of doing things properly author does a super-retcon by going back and EDITING the original work, so his new thing wouldn't contradict anymore.
Toby is a failed writer that managed to produce a major hit in a very short time. But he does not know how to lead a story over 8 fucking years, and he tried to built a whole game on an ending he had in mind. But everything will fall apart once we reach the very end, as people still expect him to manage all the topics and mysteries he introduced.
>>4070617Nothing much will come out of it.Because nothing changed.Because a Noelle is just a Noelle.
>>4070640asriel was established in ch1 by toriel in the opening, dess was mentioned in 1 and 2 before being brought to the forefront in ch3 by tennaanyone who has basic reading skills is aware of who asriel and dess are nowif toby is saving some important shit for ch7, we wouldn't have any idea of what it could be right now
>>4070625dude the patch came like a month after the chapter dropped that is not "knee-jerk" in comparison to something like the rose
Toby is a much greater writer than everyone in this thread.
>>4070651Anon, I mean not a mention or a silhouette, but actually interactable characters via playable flashback.
>>4070653Original chapter is "greater writer". Patch changes is him being a "coward".
>>4070644the problem with all of the knight candidates is that we either have not real motive for them or they retroactively character assassinate whoever it isthe only exception you mentioned is amalgam knight, which is just noelle knight with kris forced into it for some reason because nobody wants to have noelle actually be anything more that susie's girlfriend when it's just her
I can't wait for the big drama that's gonna break suselle in chapter 6 just ends up being Noelle creating a dark world to save Rudy, then Noelle and Ralsei teach her throughout the chapter that this is a bad thing and eventually this all gets resolved and they're all best buds again and team up to go into the shelter. It's gonna be so much fun.I hate the normal route so much.
>>4070636Really?
>>4070654that's not going to happenthere's a very high chance we never actually see dess, she's far more important to the plot as some vague plot ghost to explain everyone's motives and current day status than being an actual characterand if asriel was actually supposed to do anything toby would've dome more than just tease him every chapter, same with papyrus if they show up it'll be at the very end for a gag or some shit
>>4070657Actually funnily enough amalgam knight does still retroactively character assassinate someone.(You). Because it means no matter what choice you take, the universe has already decided you want Weird Route and all the implications that come with it
>>4070658Hey it's either that or Hometown Massacre.
>>4070663So be it, the game never wanted me to have a motivation anyway
>>4070617>he thinks Noelle will actually show up in Castle TownToby is a lazy dev, he will have Noelle not show up at school at all, and you will find the dark fountain already opened in her home when Kris and Susie get in there.Aborted weird route at chapter 2 and 4 should produce different results when Noelle get there in Castle Town, and Toby is obviously too lazy to write multiple separate scenarios
>>4070589The eggs are too unimportant for it to be what Chapter 6 is all about. You need to focus on non optional content, and once you do you realize Chapter 6 will have to talk about THE incident.
>>4070662Anon, you're confusing schoolkid Asriel and college Asriel. It's basically physically impossible for schoolkid Asriel to "do nothing". Kris, Dess, Noelle and Asriel were a group. It's a package deal.
>>4070575steadily losing hope for the last two chaptersglad I pirated and waited for the whole thing to be out before buyinglearned my lesson in the past
>>4070653greater musician, yes he's good at character writing as well, but for stories he's pretty shit ut gets glazed a lot because of the characters, music, and ending, not for everything in betweenit works when it's a short, contained story like undertale, but deltarune is a massive, multiple tens of hours long gameyou can't just coast off of music and the promise of a really crazy ending forever, especially when the most recent chapter had the most disappointing music as a whole yet
>>4070665>Hometown Massacre.Nope, it will happen in 7B. There is no third route, aborted weird route will just be a variant with some dialogue changes but not much actual exclusive content. And yes, you will be able to get the twisted sword in the normal route.
>>4070617I don't think it will have major changes but it's the third routefags last hope for it.
Memeber that time some intern posted the credits music as Scarlet Forest and it blatantly wasn't?
>>4070671and asriel's off at college and if we are following the 1 chapter = 1 day structure asriel might not even show upremember that toriel talks about going to get him early in ch5, which implies he wouldn't be back that day or the next, leaving tuesday at the earliest and that's if the roaring doesn't fuck everything up
watch all the roaring knight glazing instantly fizzle out the moment the knight is revealed to not be hot dommy tomboy dess
>>4070631Toby will explain what happened to Dess New Home style, without mentioning the Knight at all.
>>4070677>Hometown Massacre in 7BGenuinely how? They just abandoned Hometown entirely, so they're going to just... go back? Simply to kill everyone?
>>4070677Yeah that's what i said. It's either normal Route or Weird Route with Hometown Massacre in it.
>>4070657>or they retroactively character assassinate whoever it isThere are two ways to keep character "clean":https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JekyllAndHydehttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EnemyWithout
>>4070680The funniest thing was seeing people in the comments claim that it was intentional because it was referencing the Forgotten Man's appearance this chapter.This fucking fandom kek
>>4070682That is the guaranteed way for me to turn the Roaring Knight into a joke
>>4070684>They>Implying Kris and Noelle are the ones who are going back to Hometown Anonymous...
>>4070681Anon, what are you on about? I never talked about College Asriel even ONCE. Is this GPT LLM reply or something?I only talked about memory/flashback, which does not require present Asriel to be present at all.
>>4070640Yeah, even the New Home reveal didn't reveal all of it, we didn't get Chara actually being revealed in it nor the true reason for their deaths in it. Toby can do the same in 6, reveal what happened to Dess without revealing the real truth.
>>4070682it could be salvaged with noelle knight as she is established to be very powerful in ch2 and the weird route as a whole, but there would for sure be a large meltdown about it
>>4070684>so they're going to just... go back? Simply to kill everyone?Yes, well, not "they", it's gonna be you who's coming back and doing the killing. Hell you might even return to a previous chapter with your vessel considering there's evidence that Undyne and Asgore are there, and chapter hopping seems to be a thing.>>4070685Oh, sorry, I misunderstood.
Who do you hate moreFemKrisniggersOr (You)ssel fags
>>4070692why would we get a flashback? the only thing about that time we need clarification on is THAT DAY and toby is 100% going to deliver it via a lore dump
>>4070658I really do think most of the conflict will be Noelle making a fountain to revive Rudy and thus she refusing to get it sealed and then insisting Castle Town should be sealed instead, with Susie refusing to do so. And because of that, the Roaring ends up happening.
>>4070682>>4070690The Roaring Knight has one of the best character designs in UT/DRI would argue it be would be beneficial if it turned out to be its own character and not someone we already know
>>4070704if it didn't have the antlers i would agree, but the knight is 100% supposed to make you believe it's a holidayafaik toby also said that the big reason why he cut the supposed into for the game was because people would instantly be able to guess who the knight was, which means it is someone we already know
>>4070684You will return, they were used up instead.
>>4070680>>4070687Wait they actually went back and fixed it, that's hilarious. I still have the old version so I'm never going to forget it
>>4070699Furry dating simfags.
>>4070698As if the game would just let you. Making battle sprites for all the npcs would be too much work for this teamLetting you attack seems to be too much now.
>>4070706It's a Snape situation. Knight have antlers because it's in love with a Holiday.
>>4070699Neither.
>>4070703It would be pretty cool if it was similar to Flowery's whole deal in chapter 5, but instead of pulling his punches like Flowery, Noelle just straight up doesn't accept it and fights to the bitter end.
>Undertale: plenty of characters that matter for the story, and every of them adds something unique>Deltarune: Only Kris, Ralsei, Susie, The Roaring Knight and seemingly Noelle matter. The rest is PURELY discarded as 'le funny/goofy Darkner/Lightner'. And it has been going like that for 5 chapters.It's all so tiresome. It's such a massive downgrade. Did he get a stroke or something?
>>4070714More evidence towards Asriel Knight
>>4070691>>4070698>>4070708Okay let me clarify the issue, I am vastly more interested in seeing what the fuck is on the other side of the lake than I am of going back to kill everyone I already killed in another game. Setting up the idea of finally leaving the only area in the light world we've been allowed in, somewhere literally out of the bounds of the game itself, just to go "nah I wanna go back to the place I already know and do something I've already done before" would be stupid
>>4070714>the knight is yet another cuckall the antagonists in deltarune would just be lashing out in cuck rage at that point
>>4070718Undertale is the story of everything getting gobbled up by Sans and his 500 jillion AU clones
>>4070720I can understand you not liking it, but it's what's gonna happen.
>>4070726Is it? Every enemy has run away before getting killed,what would change now?
>>4070720You can do both. You can see the depths and also come back to Hometown.
>>4070716I think Flowery's deal was planting that idea for 6, yes. I think Noelle isn't going to accept us taking her father away from her and just keep making more fountains, thus the Roaring happens
>>4070718You know how Toby said that he had idea for Deltarune BEFORE Undertale and he tried to make the game but gave up?I wonder how many Deltarune characters Toby come up with before Undertale. Undertale characters getting shafted would make sense if they weren't part of his original vision, like Undyne who seems to be proto-SusieAnd was Ralsei created before Asriel? We know that characters like Tenna and Flowery were created after Undertale's release
>>4070727Well you would be in control of the Vessel instead, you might also get an item that will let you kill enemies, Kris does have a knife that doesn't actually get used ok battle after all.
>>4070732iirc toby just said that the name 'flowery' was after the release and that originally he was supposed to be named gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJkq03bvUzwlolweird route in shambles
>>4070720You just went under the lake/the depths. Mantle already foreshadowed what you will find by following the white cloak, the door nobody has gone to which hides a special hiding place. The place Vessel is at.
>>4070730I don't know why people are so against this idea. First half will be the adventure through the depths, probably the evil gray place that you can see in mancountry, and after that's done, back to Hometown for the second half. It makes sense.
>>4070736Can you read the thread before posting the same video, nigger
>>4070740No
>>4070732>And was Ralsei created before Asriel?Toby's words:>Our eldest brother's game, New Genesis, in comparison sounded almost professional to the rest of us at the time. [...] Additionally, the name of the main character (who just used the default player sprite) was named Ralse. Later, I took the name "Ralsei" from this character, and used it in another game I created.
>>4070610just when the game looks like it's gonna have some teeth toby pulls this. suselle truly does ruin everything. strap in boys these girls kissing is gonna save the world. not Kris. and especially not (you)
>>4070743Can I still ask a steam refund if he does not deliver?
>>4070743Stop dooming you suck
>>4070743I honestly cannot care as this is way less egregious than the rose where he literally said he changed it for an intended meaning
>Flowery says flower kingdom isn't a safe world to play hero in>game goes quirk chungus to an unreal degreeSo did he lie or did Toby's plans for this dark world change
>>4070739Yeah it's like the perfect middle point. You have some Kriselle parts in the first half until Noelle and Kris get USED UP and the second half is basically a slasher horror film except you're the slasher villain.
>>4070747He changed the rose because Noelle wasn't the one raped and everyone didn't understand it.
>>4070748he probably lied but there is a theory that toby drastically changed where the story was going to go in 2020 when he finalized the story from the 2016 concept i'm willing to bet that almost everything with bite to it is from 2016, and all the sanitizing is from 2020
>>4070750some of us understood itpeople here had been calling kris 'the raped' for months before it got confirmed in the aborted route
>>4070748Flowery does not know that we have SAVE and LOAD power. Count how many time (you) died in Flower Kingdom. Now imagine you didn't have reload power. Yep, heroes are dead for good.
>>4070751That's dumb, I was genuinely expecting some weed monsters in the swamp area and stuff once flowery leftOr a sequence where the fun gang get banished to the swamp
>>40707530. The so called keepers of the fountain literally healed me on multiple occasionsArguably the safest place to play hero in
>>4070748Every dark world has some degree of danger but he said that next to a pillar of light so you can very easily assume he mostly wanted fun gang to fuck off
>>4070617This gave me an erection
>>4070756They really couldn't have had a nasty stinky creepy swamp to contrast the bright and colorful cliff area or the castle?
>>4070758Susan...
If Toby doesn't give me my Kriselle ending, I'll find him and kill him in Minecraft.
>>4070755>0Sure thing, bro.
>>4070762I mean, the chapter was pretty easy ngl
>>4070759I don't think Asgore would like that.
>>4070764They cant control that it's not Asgore's fountain.Remember how ch4 has Titan spawn hiding in it, I was expecting something like that for the swamp area
>>4070753The literal only time I died in ch5 was when I intentionally sat under yellow's suicide laser, that's it. Ch5 is piss easy
>>4070748One thing you may start to notice is that Toby has been playing some kind of Schrodinger's with his characters to get around inconsistencies >character says something that does line up with the gameThat is Toby's way of telling the player>character says something that doesn't line up with the gameThat's just a character saying something Like remember how Ralsei said that being merciful isn't gonna work out all the time after King's fight in chapter 1, only for you to be forced to NOT fight Flowery in chapter 5?
>>4070761Your reaction if he gives you a Kriselle ending but he confirms Kris is a girl at the same time?
>>4070610that was actually a fairly respectable instance of showing off Noelle's disillusionment with the people of Hometown by contrasting her tranquil NR sprite with her dissapointed one post WR monologue
>>4070767>being merciful isn't gonna work out all the time>you to be forced to NOT fight Flowery in chapter 5?...I don't see a contradiction?
>>4070767>Like remember how Ralsei said that being merciful isn't gonna work out all the time after King's fight in chapter 1, only for you to be forced to NOT fight Flowery in chapter 5?I do remember, it sucked
>>4070768nta but i already predicted that so idc
>>4070768My reaction would be celebrating (You) getting banned for derail attempt. Attempt as subtle as an elephant in a China shop
>>4070765I don't think who made the fountain has that much of an effect considering Susie's Dark Fountain didn't really make any drastic changes in theming. It mostly screwed with the layout and who was active within it
>>4070767>character says something that gets backed upThis is Toby's way of telling the player>character says something that gets proven wrongThis is just a character saying shitI don't understand the issue.Ralsei said that in chapter 1 to try and reinforce that hitting the fight button is not ontologically evil, as so many people misinterpreted Undertale to be saying.
>>4070752I kept saying that and posting pictures of Kris being molested too, my man.
>>4070768I'll be disappointed, but it's still better than nothing.
>>4070776After ch4 this was such a big disappointmentI thought like after the feather got stolen all the monsters in the swamp would be trying to get you to get it backLike do something cool man after flowery told you to leave because the place is dangerous
>>4070780WTF Kris touches her nipples.
>>4070682>>4070704The only way for the Knight to keep its hype is if turns out to be Rudy. Every other option is kinda lame desu.You know this, I know this, everybody knows this.
>>4070784it's ok, they're both girls
>>4070752>people here had been calling kris 'the raped' for months before it got confirmed in the aborted routei thought people were shitpostingI don't know how can you jump into conclusion from chapter 4 that Kris was the one who got assaulted
>>4070790ok epstein
>>4070790Kris is a boy, though.
>>4070785>The only way for the Knight to keep its hype is if turns out to be Rudy.Or Asriel Rudy lacks the intimate relationship that is implied between the Knight and Kris (touching hands at the end of chapter 4 and opening the fountain the same time closing it in chapter 5)The Flowery parallel works too
>>4070791i think a lot of it had to do with the femkris theory, and how noelle is physically stronger than kris just by default and could've just pushed kris away if she really wanted to, along with (you) having all but complete control of kris by default
>Kris, you're such a bastard. You even brought your girlfriend.
>>4070777>Ralsei said that in chapter 1 to try and reinforce that hitting the fight button is not ontologically evil, as so many people misinterpreted Undertale to be saying.Im pretty sure Deltarune is still saying that choosing to fight at any moment where it isnt LITERALLY the only option avaliable is evil, the story just doesnt actually want to talk about it this. Its like trying to tell a story to group of elementary students, the player choosing fight is one the kind constantly being loud and obnoxious during it. The teacher wants them to stop, but doesnt want to distract from the story they are trying to tell for it until they drop an ice cube down one of the other student's shirt and they start crying
>>4070782What the fuck are you actually whining about? Before he left he prevents any deaths, you just wake up in beds. After he left a certain character sliced your neck while laughing, shattering your SOUL.I understand complaining about things that make sense (like lame humor, or a lack of impactful ending), but this is just pure nonsense.
>>4070785nobody is intimidated by a cancer patient who just broke his own asshis teenage daughter is far scarier, as we see in the weird route
from now on everything toby releases will likely be shitthe building blocks are there for based people to make a better ending
>>4070797>touching hands at the end of chapter 4That's not the Knight
>>4070791well to be fair anon>pushed glasses up face and spitswe violate kris's autonomy by using their body to bind Noelle to us and with the context of the "thank you" from the think of Noelle scene in chapter 4 and chapter 5 it's pretty clear that Noelle is enjoying herself while Kris does not
Anyone else think that it would be better if chapters 3 and 4 were released seperately so that 5 and 6 could have a simultaneous release? The end of chapter 5 is so bitter that it feels weird to let that be the taste left in everyone's mouths for a whole year (at least).
>>4070806Who was it then? Gerson?Susie and Ralsei were already ahead of you when Susie smashed the prophecy
>>4070801The flowers are presented as jokes for the majority of their time
>>4070811The voice in the code
>>4070808FUCK NO.Can you imagine the seethe if Chapter 3 released alone?
>>4070812You wouldn't see her as a "joke" if she threw your real self into a knife meat-grinder while saying "Play! Play!".
>>4070800Maybe he shouldn't have made an rpg if he thinks this way
>>4070814would be fine because of the knight fight
>>4070808100% people would call Toby a bitch for Tenna surviving if they had to wait to find out
>>4070814People 100% would misunderstand the opened Shelter door. They would expect Chapter 4 to begin inside Shelter.
>>4070610yeah imagine the WR having lasting consequences even if you didn't go through with it, that'd be crazy haha
>>4070815if hometown massacre turns out to be real when we use vessel in 7b the only darkner I'll feel bad for is aqua. all lightners deserve their fates for wasting my time
Would Aqua work as a horror character?
>>4070803that's the fun partnone of that matters in the dark world for our FUARKIN' hero..
>>4070815Well, no. I can't take the character that looks like that that you pose with while whimsical music plays as the "real danger" flowery is warning you about
>>4070825yeah she tries to get you to commit statutory rape to put you in jail, very scary
>>4070825ero-horror maybe
>>4070808>chapter 3>the only chapter with NO light world scenes nor Castle Town visit>releasing separately after 4 years of WAITingthat is much, MUCH worse than we are at currentlyWhat should've done is swap chapter 4 with 5. Chapter 4 has a much better cliffhanger than 5, including making a point on how all the fun adventures are over and things are going to get seriousI'm pretty sure that was originally the plan. The festival taking place on Saturday and the Church on Sunday makes more sense than what we got.
>>4070825yeah go watch corpse party my guy. the little girl final boss is basically the same as aqua
>>4070575how does this exactly deboonk it tho?
>>4070813That sounds more unlikely than simply the KnightWe don't even know if the UNUSED is able to take into physical forms. The closest thing is a moment in Spamton's shop
>>4070821>misunderstandMore like be straight up lied to, considering ch2 ended with Kris opening a fountain and ch3 started us inside it. Its the first chapter to say absolutely nothing about its ending in the next chapter
>>4070800I'm pretty sure that this is as retarded as it was when people said it about Undertale. The characters are upset when you attack them because you are attacking them. Every other game that has the enemies cheerily march into their deaths by the dozen trained you to expect that as the norm.If Toby thought attacking was evil enough that he didn't want you doing it, he would not have given you the option in the first place.
>>4070791>I don't know how can you jump into conclusion from chapter 4Because Kris is the only one who was upset with the situation.Noelle closed her curtains (which are open on the normal route) and thanks Kris afterwards.Clearly the only party not consenting was Krispicrelated
>>4070791What you call "shitposting" is what we call understanding Toby's vision.>>4070798I posted shota Kris always being molested though.
>>4070836FineDess' spirit then
>>4070842doelester isn't the same as kris being the rapedthere was a lot of overlap, but technically they were two different things
>>4070839>The characters are upset when you attack them because you are attacking themPray tell, why are they upset about you attacking them? Is it because they think attacking enemies is... evil, maybe?>Every other game that has the enemies cheerily march into their deathsYou mean like all the darkners that chase you the second they spot you to put you in a fight? The ones that no longer let you run away? The ones that still go after and attack you even after sparing them before when they would otherwise finally stop antagonizing you if you fought back?
>>4070834I mean, in actuality nothing. He didn't change the core of the scene or the dialogue so honestly if it shipped out like that people would've drawn the same or similar conclusion anyway.
>>4070803how's Toby gonna fumble Carol in chapter 6. aside from everyone thinking she's gonna get kidnapped by the night?
>>4070834Third Route relies on a fact that abort jingle doesn't play when we "drown" and the game is reset to normal route.Anon assumes that abort jingle would be added in the next patch or something.
>>4070846I posted every single Undertale and Deltarune women molesting Kris, Dess wasn't special.
>>4070849she is going to turn out to be very kind and just misunderstood tm
>>4070839If they're the enemy I don't really need their approvalWhen my party memebers complain that I saved their lives that's when it sucks
>>4070854Asgore did say she was a lovely person
>>4070854how subversive
>>4070849she'll be a slightly more proactive asgore, but still vaguepost the shit out of THAT DAY right before getting nabbedmaybe she'll actually attempt to defend herself before getting nabbed, just to rub in that asgore is the supreme cuck
>>4070847>the characters should just know they're the enemies and the party are the protagonistsBy that measure the characters would also know you had the option to not hit them, and thus be upset that you chose to hit them despite having options.>the Darkners are too aggressive! I have every right to kill them!You have had this argument for 10 years over Undertale. Do you really think you're going to gain any ground here?
so why did flowery had to use a floradinn in order to start the knight battlebattles dont need consent to be started afaik
>>4070858the real subversion would have her being a genuine selfish person and to ask (you) to betray the party help her plan
>>4070849She will explain to us what that day is inside Noelle’s Dark World and maybe die, too.
>>4070839>The characters are upset when you attack them because you are attacking them.No? You can attack every non-flower until they're blue with bruises, and then recruit them just fine. It's only five flowers who are overly sensitive.
>>4070832>that VNThe most unforgettable horror porn game I've ever played. No other game had a bunch of elementary schoolers gangbang a teenage girl against a wall. And the teenage girl loved it. No other game I've played had a 17 year old bishonen guy drink a 14 year old girl's piss and chase her down the hall to rape her, only to wind up getting anally raped by a 32 year old fat man. I still remember the scene where a 16-17 girl was hiding under a bed as her same age best friend was having sex with that same 32 year old fat guy on top. She heard every moan, bed shake and sound. In the wrong end she was discovered under the bed by her friend and made to join. A most terrifying scene was when an unwilling girl relives another girl's sex memories. The girl in the memory consented but the reliving girl didn't. It didn't matter that she was mentally screaming, her body in the memory did all the motions and actions as in history. It's like mind control rape except the victim was fully aware. Another scene the same girl and a friend were almost raped in a magic sex ritual, saved by the girl's older sister, and the backlash made the older sister want to rape her younger sister and friend.The loli in this pic is freakishly lewd and once disguised herself as a teenage girl, fucked a boy until he nearly came, transformed back saying>You thought you were having sex with a highschooler weren't you? I'm an elementary schooler all along!And leglocks that boy, forcing him to cum inside her unprotected, when he screams in fear upon learning this. This isn't even getting into the tentacles, the gay sex, the lesbian sex, the incest, the sequel's mother/daughter lesbian scene, etc. The first chapter alone contains lots of lesbian sex scenes with an unavoidable girl masturbating in the bathroom. Truly horror is intrinsically connected with sexuality.
>>4070856>I don't need the enemy's approvalThus Undertale doesn't tell you you're evil for attacking.>I need my party's approvalWrong. You need your party's approval to end battles violently. And even then that's in rare circumstances. You don't need your party's approval as a general rule.>I saved their lives!Their lives could have been saved without making a new Darkner hate them.
>>4070851>I posted every single Undertale and Deltarune women molesting Kriseven Undyne?
>>4070791You're joking, right? Kris was incredibly fucking against everything (you) do in ch2 and 4 WR and it was the first time he assaulted you directly even at the cost of his own HP. While Noelle was like "thank you" later and was looking forward to seeing him at the festival while he was depressed. It was pretty clear who got owned there.
>>4070862In Undertale you could coceivably say you're the only aggressor, regardless of how much you believe in those arguements you could make them>Encounters are random, thus its potentially just Frisk starting the fight while the monster was minding its own business>You always hae the option to run in a fight, if you didnt want to suck up but think killing is wrong you always have the choice to just leave>Encounters are random, so you cant really say with confidence youre fighting someone you spared beforeAll of these are removed in deltarune. Enemies see you on the overworld, and run to you with the intent of starting a fight that could destroy your soulRunning away is no longer an option, it's either fight them or suck up when they're the ones who came at your with their weapons drawnEncounters are no longer random, so you can clearly see if you spare an enemy they will gladly fight you 30 seconds later if you go back to the area because you've proven they will suffer no consequence for the attemptSo yes anon, yes the Darkners are too aggressive. I do, in fact, have every right to kill them. They are not comparable to monsters in Undertale
Kris has a messiah complexHe wants to die for the sins of monstersWR is us not letting him do that
>>4070879just like big sis chara
>>4070879No that was Chara.Kris just feels a lot of guilt and thinks she deserves to die because of it.
Holy shit how are Undertale's extremely simple themes still mindbreaking people almost 11 years later?
>>4070865That is just about the exact opposite of a subversion.As far as we know, It's Carol's voice over the phone telling Kris that Undyne is getting sacrificed next week.
>>4070868That loli? Kris Dreemurr.
>>4070822But m-muh middle road...but the dead old man's ashes told me... muh reverse undertale...
>>4070868Based bot.
>>4070890BRAVE ONES, FOOLISH ONES.BOTH DO NOT WALK THE MIDDLE ROAD.
>>4070874Is there pictures of Undyne molesting Kris? Undyne usually gets the paper tiger issue where everyone ends up dominating her.
>>4070884You mean the human sibling of Asriel, adopted by the now divorced Toriel and Asgore? How could Kris be anything like them
>>4070876So, we've hit the stage of contrarianism where you'll claim Undertale was unambiguously right in how it reacted to the player being violent but Deltarune is what takes it too far.And yet you're still so concerned with the player being "respected" that you think it's "sucking up" to spare monsters even in the hypothetical of Frisk walking up to them and initiating the fight to begin with.If you are biased against the characters to such an extreme extent that you think none of them deserve the treatment they get while being spared, even if Frisk were the aggressor, why do you consider yourself to like Undertale at all? Just because you get to kill them?
>>4070890>muh reverse undertaleIt's not perfect but even in Chapter 6 we WILL make it work
>>4070890You have 3 save files for a reasonIf nothing else, you can't explain why toby would go out of his way to include 3 if there wasn't multiple route shenanigans My guess is that the true route is going to require you some comedic levels of weird, unintuitive shit like purposefully not doing any of the secret bosses, stopping WR at berdly, fighting every enemy so Susie's castle town becomes shallow and easier to wake up her from muh escapism
>>4070896I accept your concession
how come no one has written an "Understanding Undertale" book yet
>>4070849By not having her be there at all outside of a few mentions.
>>4070885Nuance is missed on autists.
>>4070890>but the dead old man's ashes told meHonestly I feel like a genuine contrarian opinion is that Gerson is super overwanked
>>4070901https://www.amazon.co.uk/Undertale-Surviving-Underground-Unofficial-Book-ebook/dp/B0GYBHRDJL/
>>4070893 (me)I guess there's this one of Undyne molesting Kris if anyone wants to see that.https://litter.catbox.moe/snwhh4kdpmtr7xo2.jpeg
>>4070890Reverse Undertale is unrelated to twisted route cope.
It's heavily implied that Noelle will be rejoining your party at some point in chapter 6 or 7 but will it also happen on the aborted weird route?If it does, it would mean we get a Noelle who's able to use snowgrave.What would it be used for?
>>4070909>artist does not understand how Light World workthis is just embarrassing at this point
>>4070908Thats a choose your own adventure fanfiction, its not supposed to be legal to sell that.No I meant like an analysis book
>>4070916That's the average porn artist sadly.
>>4070888with how the game's gone so far anon I can't believe there's a single genuine antagonist or villain in this story. everytime it looks like someone might be bad they turn into bing bing wahoo joke characters
>>4070915ch2-4 aborted would just remove Snowgrave from menuch5 aborted she would use it on (You)
>>4070917There are papers, for example:>Ethics at Play in Undertale: Rhetoric, Identityand Deconstructionhttps://dl.digra.org/index.php/dl/article/view/960/960
>>4070924Not quite what I want either, I guess people are too afraid of the fandom to tell them what the games are actually about or at least to present a case with actual evidence behind itId start to write something myself but it would take forever
>>4070920Flowery is a straight antagonist. I dunno why you think he's not.
>>4070926He's a antagonist working with Undertale's ideals and philosophy while having good points about how fucked Ralsei and the fun gang areIn the end, he still gets cut in half.If the power of friendship won't save the day, then what will...?
>>4070885Its themes are pretty simple, but Undertale itself is easy to misunderstand because some people are bad at perspective. A character saying something is rarely considered from that character's perspective, it's usually just something "the game" said. So all the characters being upset about your treatment of them and their loved ones is mistaken for berating the player for attacking enemies in a video game.
>>4070925There are redditors who like to write graphomaniac GoogleDoc documents, but reading them is a waste of time, because it's full of "water" (rambling, tangents, repetition, unneeded game recaps, unneeded fact summaries, etc).
>>4070920>I can't believe there's a single genuine antagonist or villain in this story.It’s funny how Spamton is more rotten than anyone in Undertale but the fandom somehow makes him into another woobie
>>4070936"woe is me" is pretty common villain origin, tho
>>4070893Undyne is not mentally ill like the Holidays. She would NEVER do that.
>>4070926antagonist are supposed to feel like they keep the protagonist from getting what they want and have some gravity to them. none of the fun gang take him as a serious threat. neither did I so he fails in his role
>>4070922>would just remove Snowgrave from menuHe better fucking notThat is legitimately worse than just not letting her be a party member>>4070922>ch5 aborted she would use it on (You)Kino
>>4070931the power of lesbians. toby has foreshadowed this since chapter 2
>>4070890why are most of y'all like this?
>>4070957deltarune is fun in the moment sans any suselle scene but when you look back at it you can't help but see all the cracks
>>4070957but it already does suck
>>4070960i wonder if it would've been more tightly written if 2-5 released all at once like they were originally intended to back in 2018
>>4070961Ralsei is DELTARUNE. And he does suck. My cock, that is.
>>4070957The Twisted Route sucks because it tries to steal everything from the Weird Route.
>>4070966You don't even know that either of the routes is about
>>4070951The answer... was LOVE?
>>4070925>People are too afraid to do X>Do it myself? Well uhhh ummm it would take forever so I dont wannaAre you an anon or are you a chicken?
>>4070968love is when two people fight in the Dojo - Love Master.
>>4070967The Weird Route foreshadowing site has a big 3 hidden in the dark. Pressing on it will play a sound used in Mantle.Mantle shows us events that happened already in Chapter 2, ergo the rest of what's shown is a foreshadowing of future Weird Route stuff.Twisted Route fags say that Mantle 3 is somehow completely disconnected from the Weird Route and it's actually about their super special route.
>>4070970I have a job anonI will probably start to do something but it would be for myself
>>4070731If Rudy is actually dead then I can see that happening. Noelle barely has anything to lose by that point.
>>4070761What degree of autism do you need to draw something like that
>>4070972The "original" game shows us what happened in the past, in the "original" Dark World.
>>4070731>more fountainswhat's the point of more? One is enough.
>>4070973Well you're just going to be one of the many too afraid to confront the fandom then, nothing wrong with that right
>>4070821Just like we assume that ch6 will involve Noelle being dragged into the Dark world just because Susie imagines that all it takes is explaining to Noelle that she's been lied to about that dream while she's crying at her father's hospital bed.
>>4070977In the original dark world Kris killed Asgore, Undyne, Alphys, Toriel and the Knight? What?
>>4070731I hate this plot point because it's conflict built out of characters failing to communicate with each other and relies on Noelle doing impulsive things she should know aren't going to work.First, you can't cure anyone injured in the light world, Susie, Kris and Ralsei know this.Second, opening a fountain to make a dustner would create a copy, not the real Rudy. Which isn't guaranteed to work, and is a very short term solution.
>>4070979Its not out of fear but that writing something for others to read and not just me would take more effortI might start something this weekend but just for my own amusement
>>4070986>First, you can't cure anyone injured in the light world, Susie, Kris and Ralsei know this.To be fair, do they REALLY know that? They've never suffered any lasting injury from being in there despite the fights theyve gotten into, and berdly's arm breaking is entirely optional. And... yeah it DOES actually carry over healing, at least for Kris/Us. If you have less than 20 hp (Done by eating the heart chocolates), enter and come back, it brings you back to 20. Oversight or intentional, its up for debate but that IS what happens.
>>4070987heheheh sure anon, whatever you say....
Is toby actually musically gifted or are other devs too afraid to just copy live a live soundtrack change three instruments and call it a day
>>4070988Chapter 5 ends with Flowery so hurt, Ralsei's heal was admittedtly useless. Even if Susie doesn't fully understand it it's frustrating to propose the plot based on an idea the player already knows it won't work
>>4070992I mean that was inflicted by the knight and we know it works off its own special rulesIf Ralsei can heal normal wounds like cuts, then its understandable why Susie would think that it extends to other injuries.
>>4070991what does musically gifted means? i don't think Toby is the next John WilliamsHell, Mew Mew's theme was barely made by him
>>4070988it's actually kinda mean as hell no one bothered to try healing Berdly's arm considering they can heal bleeding and such
>>4070991id say so. coming up with melodies is really fucking hard.
>>4070994Talented? He had no music training afaik he just copied videogame soundtracks This is not a jab at him by the way I legit cant tellMaybe of other devs did what he did we would have great music in games again I dont know
>>4070996Is it? I should give it a go by pirating some music making software, all you do is change the dots around until it sounds good right?But you are likely right it cant be that easy
>>4070993The knight has its quirks but it doesn't cause any special type of injury as far as we know. I took from Flowery's fight the Knight is able to ignore the abstraction of the dark worlds and harm directly the light world version of a darkner, which is why it could bypass Flowery's stats.
>>4070999you lose nothing but time by trying though
>>4071000>The knight has its quirks but it doesn't cause any special type of injury as far as we knowI agree but Susie wouldn't know that and it would fit with her current character arc if she thinks all wounds of any kind could just handwaived away with a magic spell and that the knight is just a exception don't think about it.
>>4070997Being talented and being gifted is two different things, right?He certainly is talented, but I always get the feeling Toby is always holding back. We still haven't gotten a song that's as emotional as Hopes & Dreams>>4070999>But you are likely right it cant be that easyYup, it's not that easyI'm sure your songs will sound like this for a long timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGf-4dNriBo
>>4070999Thats like saying spritework is moving colored dots around a grid until it looks goodShit is HARD man
>>4070986Noelle mentions in Chapter 2 wanting magic to be real to heal her dad and is the first one to suggest making more fountains because the Dark World is better. She's absolutely opening a fountain.
>>4071003gaster is in the house!https://youtu.be/MLZR6IvtVGY
>>4071008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9222pSdBeE
Should I hit up the jannies in IRC and ask about being allowed a weekly thread on /v/? I mean they allow the weekly fat fetish thread, why not one for an actual video game?
>>4071024I doubt they'd let anyone do that after what happened last thread
>>4071024no, you'll just trigger them and they'll try to ask moddy to make a global rule to ban it you can't reason with people who have 'stop liking what i don't like' autism
>>4071026w-what happened?
>>4070966>Twisted RouteIt doesn't even exist.
>>4071024>I mean they allow the weekly fat fetish threadBecause they’re jerking off in there
>>4071029Oh anon...... THAT thread........ oh the horror you don't want to know.....
>>4071024I wouldnt bother
>>4071029You can actually get banned from all boards for breaking rule 8>Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc) on the imageboards may result in post deletion and a ban.Simply put, you're not allowed to talk shit about jannies
Shouldn't he say "back" instead? It was left to the player but not to Kris.
toby you fucking hacki can't believe he got away with it for so longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRf8W2aCZWM
>>4071039he knows (You) exist
>>4071041Yeah, yeah, he's a hack and a fraud and you'll never play Deltarune again etc, etc.You'll still continue to post and play the next chapter though.
Be honest you fags only like Aqua because she's the only canon loli in the game right
>>4071041How Shinobeetles are the KEY to solving deltarune
>>4071047i like aqua because she is cute, and because she is funnyher antics are highly amusing
>>4071042WHY DON'T YOU TALK TO ME THEN RALSEIYOU NAMED THE TOWN AFTER ME WHY CAN'T YOU SAY MY NAMEJUST SAY IT RALSEI"NIGGER"SAY IT!!!
>>4071024It doesn't hurt to try, they didn't touch the weekly fangame thread last week. But at the same time I think they might not even entertain you after the last IRC """leak"""
>>4071047i like aqua because she gives a lot of insight into what kris was probably like as a childand also because she isn't insufferable like most of the castle flowers
>>4071038Happened to me once
>>4071047I dont care about lolis sexually speakingShe is just legit funny, specially compared to the other flowers
>>4071047I like Aqua because she's a preview to loli Kris.
>>4071047In Deltarune, yeah. She's third best human and has a cool theme and fight.
>>4071052One thing I find interesting is that one of the themes for CastleTown is called "My CastleTown", but CastleTown is also named after the Player. Not to mention the existance of me.ogg...
>>4071054So you like Aqua because she supplants your vision of Kris as a loli
>>4071047She's fun. Chaotic children are fun. I like Lancer for the same reason.I couldn't care less about "lolis" in general.
>>4071062i also enjoy her dynamic with seth
>>4071055>month long bandamn, sonYou must've really pissed off that janny
>>4071058She's not a human
>>4071047don't care if this is just bait since I don't mind talking about Aqua>one of the only flower fights that can be resolved by FIGHTing, giving some flexibility to her fight as well as showing off her more violent disposition relative to the other flowers>simple yet appealing personality + design>legitimately got a few chuckles out of the gags involving her (more than can be said for most other flowers)>only flower where the prospect of sending them off made me feel despondent
>>4071060And the whole thing about "MY Deltarune". Toby wouldn't do that thing where both Kris and "Me" are separate entities from the player, right?
>>4071068I found her gags amusing at best honestly. Yellow trying to kill himself constantly did make me laugh out loudThe crazy murder child trope feels tiring for me when every human in the UTDR saga is that already to a degreeDesign-wise I could agree she's superior to the other Flowers outside of Yellow
>>4071071Sweetie, you're supposed to be annoyed, nay, ENRAGED that Toby mocked Clover and the fangame scene in his latest chapter. Also he's gay, which should be a red flag.
historians will look back and say that ch4 was the peak and that ch5 was just a reheated ch3 with flowers
>>4071073Ch2 was the peak thoughbeit?
>>4071052don't you remember what happened when (you) revealed your existence to noelle. once the player's existence is revealed en masse everything's gonna get funky. now let's hope toby hasn't saved literally everything important for chapter 7
>>4071072Toby had to make him gay to nerf his aura because he would've easily become the second chadliest plantner just behind FloweryHe was reworked during Chapter 5's development too and Toby had a concept of him since 2016, and he supposedly wasn't absurdly gullible like the one we got so I suppose originally he wasn't supposed to be infatuated with a buff nigga in a tutu
I want to put the soul inside Berdly and go ham
>>4071075ch2 is only good because of spamton and to a lesser extent, berdly ch4 is kino the second kris and susie enter the church dark world
>>4071077He's still top 3 for a lot of people, presumably because his scenes are more memorable than Green being a wallflower and Orange whining.
>>4071073ch3 is in this weird (heh) area where it would be the worst chapter if it weren't for Knight fight and Mantle game, and these two things are the highlight of the game and more interesting than most things that has happenedI can't even say it's quality over quantity since the quality is really inconsistent in ch3. it's the most gimmicky chapter
>>4071079Some people would say it's kino beforehand due to the Holiday Manor sequence nd Kris being a minor antagonist during it.
>>4071073Chapter 3+4 will be remembered as the peak of deltaruneChapter 5 will be remember as the jumping the shark momentChapter 6 will be the dumpster fire and Chapter 7 and 7b will be a little better but still a disappointment
>>4071084Nah I legit think people will only talk about the ending when all its said and done
>>4071081i think tenna's fight has a good song even if the fight itself is piss easy once you know the strat
>>4071070MY Deltarune is Gaster, but he can't be the one naming the soundtrack because of "Another Him".
>>4071081It's always been like that, isn't it?>Chapter 2 would be the worst lol random chapter -- but Spamton save it! Berdly too to a lesser degree>Chapter 3 would be the longest in and out universe padding time sequence -- but wait, that MANTLE game is kinda fun IS THAT THE ROARING KNIGHT BFUEJICKE>Chapter 5 has forced Suselle, destroy Shonen Susie interpretation, made Blue a man, robbed Asgore of its shadow crystal boosted boss fight to give him a vaguepost crown, made an Undertale Boss the last shadow crystal holder, it's shit -- THE ABORT JINGLE DIDN'T PLAY, HOLY SHIT 7B IS TOBY'S TRUE DREAM, TWISTED SWORD GALOREEtc, etc.
>>4071077>Flowery has resembles to Rudy>Aqua has resembles to Kris>Yellow HAD resembles to Asgore, but got changed to look like a shitty woody knockoff insteadActual downgrade. This shit pisses me off more than Blue's design. Also you can tell other Flowers were made after Yellow since they look like nothing the characters they are based off (Green being Asriel and Blue being Toriel)
>>4071084>3+4It will never equal the heights of Spamton's reign.
Do you spend all day complaining about the Deltarune That Never Was?
>>4071089Blue at least has the Toriel side eye.
>>4071090i disagree, 3&4 recontextualized a lot of spamton's nonsense into foreshadowing, if not outright factual predictions of what was going to happen
How would you guys rank the flowers? >Flowery>Yellow>Seth>Aqua>Green>Orange>BlueFlowery because he's the chapter's main guy. Yellow made me laugh sometimes, Seth because I like meganekkos, Aqua because she admittedly had her moments too, Green was nice and all but she's just visually unappealing and didn't even have dialogue, Orange just knows how to whine and if Toby took the chance to expand on her similarities with Susie then she could've become memorable, and Blue just feels imported out of some Tumblrite's AUI guess Pink is an honorary flower but it doesn't feel right listing her, I would put her behind Aqua because she atleast got Secret Boss status and has more personality than the latter three (even then it's not much)
>>4071067Hatless chibi...
>>4071072That actually makes me quite happy though.
>>4071096Why is Blue looking so feminine here? Actually, why is Blue's overworld sprite and talking sprite are different?
>>4071094aquasethflowerygreenyellow(pink)orangebluethe majority of them being practically non existent outside of the castle really hurt them imo, outside of aqua, seth, and flowery i really struggled to give a shit about them at the end
>>4071077I really wish he kept the beard, it was a nice reference to the description of the cowboy hat.
>>4071098>looking so feminine here?I suppose it's because they're not the flowers but fallen children design inspired by them. Feminine because their Integrity might be a girl but with a design inspired by Blue.
>>4071071>The crazy murder child trope feels tiring for me when every human in the UTDR saga is that already to a degreethis only really applies to Chara and Frisk on a genocide playthrough; everyone else is either based on an assumption with weak evidence (blue soul), have no defining personality characteristics that we witness firsthand (most of them) or are more weird than being an outright murder child (Kris)>>4071081I prefer the (admittedly short) weird route segment of chapter 5 relative to the two highlights of 3 that you listed, but considering each chapter in totality I'd choose 3 > 5. at the very least, Tenna gave us a bit more insight into Dess and the collapsing familial relation between the Holidays/Dreemurrs, while 5 just gave us some vagueposts and Chekhov's packet of seeds
>>4071089Beta Flowery doesn't look like Rudy at all and Yellow was just a reference to the cowboy hat, none of the flowers are supposed to look like Asgore’s family, Aqua was just the exception because Kris is the patience soul.
>>4071098>>4071101It's the flowers as the fallen, but Blue is feminine because he's a shota and hasn't suffered twink death yet.
>>4071071>The crazy murder child trope feels tiring for me when every human in the UTDR saga is that already to a degreeToby fox's games alone have made me tired of murderous little girl characters for life
>>4071094>Flowery>Aqua>Seth>Orange>Pink>Yellow>Green>Blue
>>4071094>FloweryObviously.>AquaShe made me laugh, and I like the implied parallels with Kris.>YellowMade me laugh too. 'Blind Justice' was the funniest inversion.>SethHad her moments, but loses to the GOAT and the ones that made me laugh.>BlueI like the motherly, inquisitve vibes. I personally believes Blue dreamt themselves as a guy despite being a Toriel parallel because the most loveable relationship Asgore has is with Rudy.>OrangeThe parallels with Noelle and to a lesser extent Susie are funny, but that's it. >GreenI don't really care. Everyone seems to like them, though.Pink would be rated above Seth due to recontextualizing Maddie and having a whole Boss fight and Shop, but that's cheating.
>>4071106So far we've only gotten Aqua tho. Was that enough?
>>4071110Frisk? Chara? Kris?
>>4071094>Flowery>Aqua>Power gap>Seth>Orange>Green>Massive power gap>Yellow>Blue
>>4071111Those are shotas, though?
>>4071072I never got into UTY so i don't care
>>40711032 murder childs vs 1 weird one is still an advantage for murderous childs, adding another one just worsens that problem, and you COULD consider Kris a murder teen if you consider his more negative and impulsive aspects (like Lord ERAM sayeth)And I see the constant use of mentally fucked up kids in other media too, I see that whenever a child appears they're either painfully retarded or unrealistically cruel
>>4071114frisk is an old ass manhe's just short
>>4071116>painfully retarded or unrealistically cruelliterally me
>>4071088The writing's quality in Deltarune seems to be really inconsistentChapter 2 weird route is more interesting than than normal route if you take away SpamtonChapter 5 weird route, despite being 20 mins long at most, is as (if not more) interesting than hours upon hours in chapter 5.It makes me wonder just how much padding is Toby putting out in the game, and how much he's actually trying to tell a story and giving us concrete infoI know he can be a good writer, but the episodic release seems to be doing more significant harm than good to Deltarune, since he seems to pad out each chapter to make it worth the wait, but the issue is you end up with many characters that end up not mattering in the next chapter (pretty much every darkner that's not connected to shadow crystal and most lightners)Despite Undertale being a much shorter game, it has more density of story and info than Deltarune is
>>4071120I remain convinced that Weird Route is the story he wants to tell, and the normal one is the context needed to enjoy it.
>>4070635george lucas moment
i can't be the only one who thinks ch2 on the normal route is the worst one, right?like, remember the fuckass robots? nobody does even to shit on them. that's how forgettable they were. they were such massive failures as characters i wouldnt be surprised if that's why toby removed the music room lol.spamton is obviously fantastic, but still.
>>4071088Toby can do something akin to divine intervention to salvage his already horrendously paced story and I would still NEVER forgive him for making the LAST ever shadow crystal boss a DLC boss straight up recycled from his earlier gameI am still holding hopes that there will be a crystal boss next chapter, maybe Seam was already holding onto one all this time without us knowing? If not that then we still haven't seen anything of Ramb on the Sword Route or HERO_SWORD. Goddamnit anything but ending the saga with Mad Mew Mew 2.0 out of all things
>>4071124>>4071120You people are tripping to underestimate Chapter 2's normal route this much. The sheer amount of memes in the normal route alone made it a very remarkable experience, on top of being the route you actually see most of Spamton. You can praise the WR without downplaying what doesn't deserve to be downplayed
>>4071123>suselle is the key to everything, if we make suselle work it will all work out in the end
>>4071114Frisk and Chara are cute lolis, though.>>4071117This but a woman with huge hidden tits.
>>4071116>2 murder childsChara's before she an heroes and during the genocide route is the only one I'd put that label on. you can't really slide Frisk under the same description since "possibly suicidal" is the most you're definitely given to work with due to his role as a player surrogate superceding almost every potential role you might try to ascribe to him. you could call him a murder child the same way you could call him a hardline pacifist or someone who just wants to leave the underground with no strong thoughts on whether he utilizes pacifism or violence to achieve that goal
>>4071085And Spamton. Don't forget Spamton
>>4071134And Noelle!
>>4071094aquafloweryorangepinksethyellowgreenbluemake blue a woman and don't have him jump in after the final fight with ERM THIS ISN'T A TRAGEDY STOP BEING SERIOUS and she goes above seth, honestly
>>4071127No amount of loving can compare to the greatest fuel of all: friendship
>>4071127George Lucas wouldn't put homos in star wars the way Toby fox would
>>4071122If he wants to do true pacifist and genocide, we gotta finish the entirety of the normal route first, and then weird route. I'm not sure if it was good idea to have these two side by side. I know for sure sure 7B is locked until you finish chapter 7 normal route.>>4071126>You people are tripping to underestimate Chapter 2's normal route this much. The sheer amount of memes in the normal route alone made it a very remarkable experienceI think you are conflating with something being memorable to something mattering in the story. Queen is a very memorable character, but she seems to have no relevance after chapter 2 (unless Toby decides she's relevant in chapter 6 because of the Noelle connection). Compare that to Spamton. Him being connected to Tenna and possibly FRIEND makes him relevant even in chapter 5.The reason why chapter 2 weird route matters more than normal route is because it has lasting effect throughout latter chapters, while in normal route, Noelle and Berdly are just the way are, like it never happened, with the exception of breaking Berdly's arm, but I know it won't be significant.
Chapter 5 weird route skips the chapter 5 and 6 but not really since you need to still wait for both of them to come out, nothing was skipped.
>>4071141The replies above said Chapter 2 was "the worst" and not as interesting as the weird route, that's not the same as plot relevance. Most of Deltarune's play time isn't about having plot relevance but a wacky fun experience, which has been the point of this game for the past 5 chapters mostly
>>4071130The second murderchild he's talking about is Aqua, not Frisk. She's usually portrayed as a pacifist saint in the fandom eyes anyways.
>>4071147The same girl smiling at violence from Waterfall onwards?
Little Krissy would have made a much better Vessel than current Kris.
>>4071144>doing the weird route didn't warp me into the futuredo you people have anything to actually complain about
>>4071149I always assumed that's Chara's influence since it only happens in genocide and not high LOVE routes.>>4071156I want, yeah. You can see that with Frisk, young Kris wouldn't fight as much because they wouldn't be broken from everything that happened during that day.
>>4071162I think they would even be excited to finally meet another human if they were aware of us.
>>4071156>shotacon ralseithis is next level
>>4071165That artist sees Kris as a girl and ships Krisriel so it's actually lolicon Ralsei.
>>4071157People told me that weird route would fix the problems
>>4071166the second most forbidden pairing, right after ll doelester
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WldaEFZ8IlUcrazy to think it took this long for this to be made
>>4071157>Toby betray me and mocked my wholesome Clover>Toby cucked me and made both love interests kiss each other instead of me>Toby got lazy and made Card Kingdom again with no apparent reason>Toby insulted me by making the last shadow crystal boss not Woody or FRIEND but the trans catgirl doll>Toby robbed me of my Asgore boss fight>Toby laughed at me by patching out everything I love about the gameYou get the gist of it.
>>4071175i respect the amount of work he put into this but HOMIER was better
>>4071164At that point Kris thought they were a monsters so another human would just confuse the heck out of them.
>>4071179honestly GLACEIR remixes are better just because they inherit the original's atmosphere, but megalo strikes back remixes remind me of a time long gonei can appreciate them in that sense, even if GLACEIR evokes greater feelings within me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcA-MYAn964
>watching a video>it plays https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byUCuhB8r5Q>suddenly filled with melancholydamn you, toby fox...
>>4071196Let me tell you, i grew up on a home where a family member died and that song captures the feeling of emptiness you get when you are in their room really well
>>4071060>>4071070I wanna add to this, if you're recruiting enough darkners to get a song change it goes from "My Castle Town" to "Funky Castle Town", implying saying it belongs to (You) is no longer correct. The song change isnt dependant on chapter, its just recruits so it can stay yours if you gatekeep it
>>4071201yeah i can see that, wouldn't surprise me if toby channeled the loss he's felt in life into that segment
>>4071178>Wrath>Lust>Sloth>Envy>Greed>PrideAll we need is Gluttony and itll be complete
>>4071196still one of my favorite moments. the contrast between dess' room and the rest of the house is some true lynchian shit.
>>4071204toby INDULGED himself by prioritizing spending time with japanese devs and artists over working on his dream game
>>4071202Because it turned into Susietown lol
I wanna pose this question genuinely. What if the normal route is meant to be unsatisfying to a majority of the audience as the motive for them to tear the game apart in weird route? I've seen it happen in an rpg before, its not an unheard of premise, but Im curious how that would be taken with Deltarune
>>4071211i suppose it's possible, but the issue with that is the weird route is pretty gimped after ch2what we have is pretty good, but it being borderline non existent in ch3, just a single scene in ch4, and then skipping the majority of two chapters with 5 & 6 really doesn't leave you with a whole lot of game left
>>4071196I once saw this song in a meme about mexican mothers finding their sons chopped into pieces inside trash cans
>>4071211Look at the amount of people who think they like Undertale but are still convinced the point was "NEVER BE MEAN TO VIDEO GAME CHARACTERS"They would have their brains completely broken
>>4071212I wanna say skipping ch5-6 still works if the idea is "The player fucking hated the game's actual story and doesnt want to see it", but yeah 3-4 being as unchanged as they are throws a wrench in it. You can probably excuse 3 because that's the tutorial for how you start that route, but 4... I got nothing, you just have to play more normal route that chapter and stomach itdammit I hope that twisted route mod doesnt get abandoned, I really wanna see a version of the weird route we thought we'd get in the demo days
>>4071211Well you see the problem with your premise is that you have been desperately looping on the concept for years at this point and it presumes the fact that literally everyone finds the normal route explicitly unsatisfying to the point of being designed bad on purpose which isn't the case, and literally everyone is aware for the ulterior and retarded motives you have for presenting this scenario for the five thousandth time.
Imagine if Asriel comes back home and the first thing he says to Kris is>Hey baby sister! Long time no see! You haven't answered my emails, is the internet still broken?
>>4071216Anon Im being serious, I ask because that exact idea is thrown around when talking about SMT 4 Apocalypse, that parts of the story (namely the cast in its case) are intentionally meant to frustrate you so you have reason to actually pick the evil "I hate all of you and want this place to burn" route beyond lol lmao. I dont have ulterior motives, I'm genuinely curious how you'd feel if that were the intention
>>4071218this is the #1 reason why asriel will never show uptoby knows it would be awkward as fuck to have asriel only refer to kris as his 'sibling' and wants to avoid it at all costs
>>4071220Toby learned his lesson after he realized he had no choice but to confirm which skeleton was the older brother because of language differences, he cannot have siblings ever interact if he wants to hide info about either of them
Noelle art makes me happy
>>4071226Same, although it is always kinda bittersweet. I hope those two can fix their relationship at the end.
I think the one thing thats going to get clarified in ch6 is the prophecy's tragedy, it'd explain why we could potentially be "not ready" for it because we've really done nothing to actually prevent it, find out what it is, or when its supposed to happen exactly. Meanwhile I think everyone has been ready to see the Knight's identity for a long time now
>>4071230Fish
>>4071226Wholesome Noelle art makes me happy
>>4071234and then dess raped kriss and asgore took it on noelle and carol approved it
>>4071211The "final tragedy" being this much of a bummer to everyone makes me inclined to believe this.On the other hand, Toby has been consistently bending over to the worst players in terms of making everything easy. Obligatory weird route would filter most of his fans.
>>4071231I'm convinced that Kris and the Knight know all the details of the prophecy and are working together to fix it somehow.
>>4071234
>>4071238Unless they fail or they have a weird definition of "fix it" I feel like that just makes the entire story worthless. "The antagonist and guy working for them behind the heroes' backs were actually the good guys and you were wrong to suspect them and not blindly trust them" what a twist
>>4071238why wouldn't kris just tell this to everybody? do they need to follow the script to a point?
>>4071244Not even just everybody, why not US specifically? Cant even do the most basic "Bro trust me please, I know what Im doing" for the guy who can literally tell your arm to go up your ass?
>>4071243>The antagonist and guy working for them behind the heroes' backs were actually the good guysYep, seems likely enough>you were wrong to suspect them and not blindly trust them[citation needed]Even if it turns out true the implication won't be that you should've trusted them the whole time.
you know, i think the roaring knight would seem far more impressing if they actually had fights with other characters instead of having everybody get a surprise oneshot attack nor capturing whoever could've made a cool little setpiece to showcase their skills, the ONE character who actually stood up to the knight instead of getting slapped around once then swooned for the rest of the scene nor getting captured while refusing to fight back literally got outed as a cheating jobber in the middle of the skirmish (flowery's attacks were revealed to be flat 0 damage), i think a mini cutscene of asgore fighting back against the knight would've helped the knight's ch5 portrayal feel less cowardly like, "waits for the flowers to fuck off then captures asgore and runs off at every possible chance", there's a reason why the knight gets called a fraud, regardless of if they actually aren't, and it's the fact that they barely showcase their skills against anybody, i think a few skirmishes against gerson or asgore would've helped the knight build up a positively strong impression
>>4071246The fact they were only ever doing the right things means yes, you were wrong to suspect them in the grand scheme of things. It may be understandable why you didnt, but you were still wrong to do so
>>4071238They're doing a really bad job. I especially do not like Kris's Chapter 4 title>Carries out date with the blade
>>4071247It wouldn't fit its modus operandi, though.Despite its strength shown in the Ch3 surprise fight, the Knight seems to prefer hit and run tactics if I read its behavior in Ch4 correctly. It would dodge Gerson because the setback is not worth it, same reason it waited until Flowery was beaten and the Flowers unrealized to attack.
>>4071250Date...
>>4071243I was having fun on my way to the DELTARUNE. The rest isn't my problem.
>>4071247why is there a subsection of deltarune fans that want the game to be a shonen anime lolthe knight hasn't lost once. the fraud/jobber knight meme has been nonsense since its inception
>>4071254but le cutscene merchant and also it ran away from my no hit performance
>>4071251i guess so, but having asgore struggle and use his trident a bunch of times against the knight before getting quickly thrown off by the knight wouldve worked well and also helped build up the portrayals of asgore and the knight>>4071254the knight is mostly seen doing offguard attacks or doing swoons against other characters instead of doing actual battles which, along with their tendency to run away every 5 seconds, makes people see the knight as cowardly rather than actually strong and menacing
>>4071254because it would be an improvement
>>4071249No, it really doesn't. Whether you were right to suspect them is solely about how suspicious they were.
>>4071258>i guess so, but having asgore struggle and use his trident a bunch of times against the knight before getting quickly thrown off by the knight wouldve worked well and also helped build up the portrayals of asgore and the knightI guess Flowery WAS the trident technically.
the people who say ch5 is toby's weakest ost yet have to be trippingpetal dance and flower man are so damn good, my goodness
>>4071245But you can't shove his arm up the ass, you can't even open a door
>>4071272it has like five ost worth listening
>The Spade King and his court were abandoned because a lighter damaged himI don't feel enough was done with this premise.Like, he didn't mention it a single time in chapter 1 even though the fun gang could see it?Like what if there was a darkner that wanted to kill a Lightner that made it misshapen and self-destructive and actually acted on it. All these bosses have been about how darkners are begging for the attention of Lightners, what if there was one that wanted the exact opposite.
>>4071278how would you feel if chaos king immediately lashed out upon seeing noelle and it is revealed that noelle was the one who gave him that scar?
>>4071278part of me wonders just how much of king's backstory was planned out from the start and how much is toby just bullshitting to keep the once a chapter conversation goingnot like it matters either way, king is never going to leave the cuck cage
>>4071279that would spoil the plot because flowery has the same kind of facial scar as king at the end of ch5there's a heavy implication that the knight and the lightner that tore king are one and the same
>>4071281>there's a heavy implication that the knight and the lightner that tore king are one and the samehow so?
>>4071281...dess?
>>4071282maybe heavy was the wrong word there, but the fact that the two of them have the same type of scarring, and that king's chat was talking about it earlier in the chapter, implies that you're supposed to think about the two of them as related
>>4071280>not like it matters either way, king is never going to leave the cuck cagethe fat fuck rudinn king managed to muster up the energy to stand up and idle next to the door while the other darkner kings fucked off to god knows where, so if they can leave, so can kingy
>>4071278The same happened to Tenna. He knows stuff about the Knight, and yet Susie and Ralsei never asked him any questions after he moved to Castle Town.
>>4071284thing is, if that's true and chaos king doesnt say anything to noelle, then noelle can't be the knight
chapter 3 if it was kinoerhttps://youtu.be/OEVhAinHiPk
>>4071287yeahbut then again king knew kris and didn't say shit in ch1 so who knows i personally think susie will bullshit a reason to not go talk to him when noelle's around, if she even goes to castle town at all
>>4071286Yeah, and I thought it was dumb. The game could have done something. Anything.
>>4071290we're operating on steven universe rules, anonnothing can happen when susie isn't around and things can only happen if she asks about themunfortunately, like steven, susie is too dumb to ask questions
>>4071280I think he's bullshitting after he made the king a joke instead of one of the guys plotting a darkner invasion of the light world.
>>4071291I hate Steven universeThis isn't a television show this is deltarune
>>4071293well, given that toby was subconsciously inspired by it, we're shit out of luck
>>4071286They could've done that for any of the first three antagonists honestly since they all brought up the Knight somewhere along the line
>>4071295was he, really?
>>4071297yeah, people told him to redesign seth because she looked too much like amethyst
>>4071298But blue went untouched
Someone should make a version of the story where they actually ask important questions and get valuable answersToby fox killed Tenna, brought him back to life, and proceeded to do nothing of value with him.
>>4070704>The Roaring Knight has one of the best character designs in UT/DRWhich is funny because the Knight is probably the biggest ripoff of someone else's design besides Kris just being VarikWell if Toby was gonna steal a design, at least it was a damn cool one
theory: the knight's identity changes in each save file slot
>>4071300you can confirm that noelle was the girl ramb was talking about if you give mettaton tenna in ch5 when she's around, so there's that
>>4071219I'm not going to pretend you aren't being a fag on purpose.Go do something less gay or deal with the eyeliner running down your face when someone calls you a fag.
>>4071303That is something. Do more of that please, instead of making nagasagy kikky parks that no one cares about.The things that build up the world are what actually matter and what's going to live on in the future.
>>4071300Kris made it clear to Tenna if he tries to say ANYTHING useful it's to the junkyard
>>4071307Then Toby Fox is a bad writerYou want me to care about the darkners? Do something of value with them.
And now there won't even be darkners
>>4071307That would be a good explanation, but unfortunately it doesn't work because Susie never asked Tenna anything, so he has no need to hide information.
>>4071308Same, I'd rather rewatch Toy Story, you get more out of it.
>>4071305>>4071308Oooooh, someone's seething.Stories are not about "progress" and every story you ever read that neatly matched up "progress" to how far you were through the story was kneecapping itself.
>>4071308I mean Tenna did do his job. Went a bit off the rails at the end but it's all good.
>>4071312It still wouldn't hurt to not explicitly say you should just sit and watch what happens without complaint in interactive media. I don't like thinking about it, it kills my motivation.
>>4071301In fairness to Toby and to Hussie, Hussie fumbled Bec Noir so fucking hard
>>4071312>Stories are not about "progress"nobody said anything about progressing the story, anon, this is different from the "muh filler" complaints, this is just wanting more character related things
>>4070943You can't use Snowgrave without the ThornRing, it costs 200% TP on its own and I highly doubt you'll just be able to re-equip it in an aborted chapter 2 run
>>4071303huh, you do learn something new every day. i gave tenna away in ch4 lol. https://youtu.be/hqrrIg0efTYinteresting considering some people saw that exchange as possible dess!knight evidence... even though it didn't make a lot of sense.hmmm. not sure what to do with this info.
>>4071311watch the brave little toaster instead
>>4071310I mean how much could Tenna even know about the Knight if it's Kris's plan to begin with? All he really needed to know was to keep Toriel sleeping and away and say the Knight told him to do it
>>4071314The game doesn't say that. It says that if you dislike the direction of the plot you would likely be better served finding other games to play than fantasizing about Deltarune coming alive for real and responding to your desires. If you don't like thinking about meta stuff like the fact that a game's writing is how it is whether you're cooperating or not, don't play meta games.
>>4071029Anon posted screenshots of a public chat which caused the mods to seethe and ban him
>>4070988>>4070986Actually you can cure people who are injured, both Kris and Susie seem to twist their ankles on separate occasions and Ralsei fixes that right up
>>4071322it think it was less that he posted the public chat and more on how the staff looked in it
You know the funny thing is if you remotely believed Toby was a "bad writer" you'd just go talk about everhood which does the whole>Undertale/Deltarune but you have to genocide the characters for the good endingBut you don't, you're specifically mad people like those UT/DR which is why you're sitting their pissing and shitting about how Toby needs to force literally everyone who ever played any of his games to kill everyone in them to get the "good" ending and the "only good writing" for the 6 millionth time.
>>4071286tenna got fucking thrashed by the Knight I don't think he's in the know as much as you might think he is
>>4071323A twisted ankle is the type of injury you kind of just walk off, and also, remember that the dark world is kind of partly pretend. If you get punched in the face by a Darkner you didn't really get punched in the face. So why would a twisted ankle not just be, I dunno, your foot falling asleep a moment?
>>4071328>A twisted ankle is the type of injury you kind of just walk offSpeaking from experience here but you really shouldn't do that. You can permanently fuck up your ankle that way.
>>4071321I have paper, pencils, undertale modtool, and a dream. You don't get to tell me to leave when I can fix my problems. I can and I will, I don't care if it takes me 5 more years.
>>4071326just because another game does it worse doesn't absolve toby of his writing crimes, and besides this isn't an everhood thread
>>4071336>just because another game does it worseThe issue isn't that everhood would be "doing it worse" the problem is that the idea sucks ass.>this isn't an everhoodThe implication being that if it was a great way to write the game you'd be discussing Everhood in an Everhood thread, but you aren't, because you don't actually care about the writing of the game, you're just buttmad.
>>4071317what if i already gave the thornring to noelle and i never removed it beforehand? you can abort the weird run while noelle still has it on after all
>>4071325They should have thought of that before unironically responding like redditors
>>4071328The Darkners are one thing, but even if you assume everything is pretend and there can't be serious injuries (which I think is incorrect) you can still get injured from horsing around.Just because a couple kids are playing make-believe doesn't mean the floor's any less dangerous if one of them steps wrong
>>4071343they probably though they were being suave badasses pwning the dumb kiddie asking why the video game isn't allowed on the video games board
>>4071343Hey, you don't know if they act like fags for just 2 more short weeks, they'll totally succeed and nobody will ever like Deltarune ever again and retroactively it will have never been popular and nobody will ever make fun of them for any of the stupid things they did desperately trying to make a game unpopular like they have any control over that.This is a reasonable and obtainable goal that they definitely aren't retarded for pursuing. Like a rando from off site, nobody will ever think they're stupid for doing something like this and make fun of them for it.
>>4071344I fully understand that these kinds of injuries COULD still happen, I'm saying that if you actually twisted your ankle, your foot would probably be practically hanging off your leg by a few stray muscle fibers in the dark world. What we see is a lower intensity version of what's happening. So seeing a twisted ankle in the dark world implies something much less severe in the light world. Does that make sense?
>>4071343The mod in question doesn't respond differently to how he usually does whenever asked something along those lines, tries either leading the conversation towards the questioner Realizing The Error Of His Ways or just ignores him
>>4071349>So seeing a twisted ankle in the dark world implies something much less severe in the light world. Does that make sense?No because Berdly can potentially break his arm in the dark world and it stays broken in the light world, so injuries received in the dark world can stay the same in the light world.
>>4071351The injury he took there was more like having an entire power grid pumped through his arm, no? Seems like it being completely unresponsive is still a severity reduction. Just like being comatose with a low body temperature, rather than dead and frozen solid, after taking Snowgrave.
>>4071326>EverhoodAs retarded as that game ended up being, at least the first one was fun. I still don't understand what the fuck were the devs thinking when they decided the sequel should be the way it was. Genuinely baffling that they could fuck everything up that badly.
>>4071353in fairness we dunno if berdly's in the "fallen down" state of monster death yet on weird route
>>4071356we don't even know if monsters in deltarune even enter a 'fallen down' state
>>4071357i'd guess they would since they dust
>>4071358we don't know that eitherboth the book and susie dance around how monster's dust actually works, both of them only talk about how a monster's dust is buried with an itemfor all we know it's just a fancy way of saying cremation
>lost girl motif in black knifehttps://youtube.com/shorts/Ho0TRZYTP78is this a reach? i genuinely don't hear it
>>4071355It's Everhood, you don't have to ask questions about what was going through their head when they released the sequel to it 3 months before Deltarune Chapter 3 and 4 came out.
>the plot of deltarune only barely makes sense if susie is a complete retard who doesn't ask questions or think about anythingceroba moment
>>4071368People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>>4071370We've discussed for years how bad the uty pacifist ending was, we will discuss for years how bad the ending of deltarune will be
>>4071368it still doesnt make sense with susie being a retard
>>4071359This is like trying to argue pokemon in the 2nd gen suddenly arent staying inside pokeballs, but rather the ball makes a smoke screen for them to run into from offscreen to give the illusion of staying in the ballMaybe they're just doing the very iconic thing they were known for doing already instead of some complicated series of events that exist to make us THINK they behave like we were directly told they did before
>>4071378there was no reason for toby to not just say 'monsters dust when they die', but he didn't add on to the fact that in deltarune, monsters both possess determination and can bleed, they clearly are not the same as the ones in undertale
>>4071381Because he doesnt need to? The game assumes you've played undertale, this has been said by toby multiple times now that its meant to have connections with that game. It doesnt need to tell you monsters dust when they die, if you dont already know that then you'll pick that up when you realize they only ever talk about the dust and not a corpseAnd besides, how is the story improved or made more sensical if its true that monsters just dont dust anymore if its still going to use monster dust anyway? Wouldnt it make more sense to just bury the corpse, why go through the dust bit other than to, again, make us THINK they work like theyve been established to? Its pointless obfuscation, there is nothing gained from this stupid song and dance of justifying why dust exists but they dont naturally dust
>>4070863Knight is a cutscene merchant. Flowery side-stepped that with Floradinn.
>>4071389Cutscene merchant bruh this is a video game you could say that to justify anythingSuddenly nothing in the game is a threat if everyone cheats
>>4071391Believe it or not, genuine hopeless boss battles can exist, cutscenes dont need to be the only way a character wins
>>4071385if you haven't noticed, there is a lot about deltarune that is pointless obfuscationif i had to guess for why, it probably has something to do with how rudy's going to die, and possibly also berdly on the weird route
>>4071391how else they're gonna win bro.King needed a cutscene so you would stop beating his ass and he can start beating yours.Queen needed a cutscene so you couldn't dodge her hands and she could win.NEO tried to be legit about it with his [Bluelight Specil] but got merked by Noelle doing who fucking knows what and where at that point.You need cutscenes to make it in this world
>>4071391>>4071393lisa the painful has an 'unbeatable' optional 'boss' that's supposed to kick your ass immediately if you choose to fight himif you somehow do manage to defeat him, he just forces a game overhttps://youtu.be/7qMiezGKHaY?t=308the knight could've done something like this if toby really wanted it to be unbeatable at that point in the game, have it do some esoteric thing at the end of the fight to force the game overbut he didn't, and now there are a bunch of people talking shit about the knight because it doesn't do anything except act tough in cutscenes and run away
>>4071397you cant take anything the game seriously like that
>>4071362Does sound like it with a few notes swap around.
>>4071362my take is that it is there but distorted which fits with the theory the knight is a distorted dess
>>4070940She would absolutely do that if Kris dared her.
>>4071393not if the game expects you to beat them
>Deltarune needs to completely take the player's ability to have any input on the situation away, but it also can't be a cutscene or the game is badDo you even think about the stupid contradictory garbage you're saying?
>>4070986>opening a fountain to make a dustner would create a copy, not the real RudyIt's as much of a copy as Flowey and Fallen Child's Spirit are. Hell, even Soulless Kris can be considered one under your "logic", because Kris is the Cyan SOUL. No Cyan SOUL = No Kris.
>>4071406why point to undertale, point to gerson who is the exact thing being talked about
>>4070986>you can't cure anyone injured in the light worldYou absolutely can, tho. Kris bites his hand near Light World piano, loses Light World HP, then it's healable in the Dark World.
>>4071405Deltarune shouldn't completely take the player's ability to have input on the situation away. That simple.
>>4071409there's also the obvious bit of darkners being healed or fixable in the light world if it's done in the dark world, ie. tenna who is a very smashed TV if not revived and just scuffed if he is
>>4071400>>4071402>Does sound like it with a few notes swap aroundHuh it does. https://youtu.be/HCcITHmqp9oStill, I'm not sure what it's indicative of other than "welp, it's probably one of the Holidays". IIRC Toby said the motif doesn't belong to a specific character.
>>4071410you ever wonder if having this argument every deltarune thread on /vrpg/ will ever go anywhere, or if there's meaning to be found in the infinite pointlessness loop of having it every thread
>>4071413it gives me good dreams of a better game
>>4071410start working on your mod already you lazy bum! that lil sketch you posted was such a beautiful start (for a schizo)>Nothing changed. Because a CoL.. is just a CoL.
>>4071411I hold by attacking everyone being the best way to experience the game, even if Toby really doesn't want me to.Starting Chapter 4 and just seeing the consequences of Tenna where he's completely trashed was far more meaningful than a couple quirky lines where he begs me to give him away
>>4071417its a process. im in the middle of making a scene where kris asks noelle to come to her houseall the dialogue for the scene is written, i made the sprites i need, but i haven't gotten all the movements yetyou could see what i have so far if you want
>>4071427you are fr huh? post your work
>>4071427NTA but I wanna see it.
>>4071430>>4071431Here.
When are you guys taking the YIIK pill?For all its flaws YIIK actually satires its postmodern world and while it subverts RPG conventions it still plays like a normal RPG.>>4071326>Stop discussing about a disappointing game and talk about a good game already!You do understand you are not helping your case right?
>>4071041The Beatles are extremely overrated, so I'm cool with actually good musicians putting their works to use in making some actually good music.
>>4071272Wow two songs, so amazing.Surely his best work since AlterniaBound
>>4071341The big twist is Noelle does not join the party in 6 (items are for 7B) so only aborted 2 ThornRing removed gets you the TwistedSword
>>4071439noelle has coded comments for chapter 5 items and since 7B skips chapter 5, it disproves the "she won't join the party" theory and it means that she WILL come back in chapter 6
>>4071442Also we get lines about dragon blazers about how a ice mage joins the party and the fire mage leavesRalsei isn't going to have a fun time.
>>4071442Either way she could have removed the ThornRing on her own, the fucking thing hurts and Kris acts off screen by the power of good writing. Aborted 2 ThornRing equipped ain't happening.
>>4071442she also gets a lv5 title, although her stats remain the same (probably because they would clue people in to how absurdly strong she is)
>>4071447what if we just hold onto it and give it then?
>>4071450That's Aborted 2 ThornRing removed
media literate character analysists, can i get an explanation on how Seth wanting to be a leader (Seth & Ralsei interaction) reflects upon her character as a whole?
>>4071453Seth is supposed to be a character? I thought she was just comedic relief
>>4071453seth is the smart one of the bunchit's a common trope for the smart character to want to take a more active leadership role
>>4070575It's so over. It's the team's game now.Toby owes me 25$.
>>4070648Honestly it's good we are realizing it now.Toby might hate us minor bunch now and think he owns us by patching every edge out of his story, but he isn't ready for when the whole fandom will turn against him because deep down everyone was in it for the edge, not for a "story" that's on autopilot...
>>4070962It would have because that would have meant no SHITTY TRANNY DEV TEAMI will not highlight this enough
>>4071434Cool
>>4071463toby's game is gonna flop like liquid shit once the final game releases, everyone will see how much of a hack he is and his reputation will go down the drain and his games' legacies will be about how they had potential and how they're moralfaggy pieces of trash shaming you for picking the mean dialogue options and managed to groom multiple kiddies into becoming spineless pussies that will have a melty if they pick a mean dialogue option and shit themselves if they don't get le perfect golden happy yaya ending where everybody is happy and everything went well and the game calls you a good boy and starts sucking you off and has five children that they've named after their dear papa!!!!1, and toby will be seen as nothing but a hack with a worse reputation than omocat, yiik, yandev, etc, etc. he'll try to win his fandom back by shitting out fanservice-y sequels but people will see past the bullshit and they will all flop alongside the rest of his future moralfagging slop.
>>4071463i think his response to ch5 was the first time he actually felt some hot water as a devdespite it still being very positive, ch5 is for sure the most divisive release he's done as a real game devthe emergency lore patch, the newsletter urging people to keep trusting him despite the fact that he's leaving everything until ch7 and to not expect anything out of ch6 is really telling, like he expects people to shit on ch6 when it comes out him also fucking with the ch5 aborted scene is also strange, why bother doing that? is showing off noelle's carried portraits really that important on that route? surely he knew it was like that before releaseunless he actually did relegate the majority of the game over to the team at this point and he just makes sure it's mostly going in the direction he wants
>>4071468he'll still be praised for undertale, but yeah i don't think many people are going to take him seriously if he completely bungles his magnum opus he spent nearly two decades on because of scale creep and lack of planning (some fucking how)he'll probably still get music collabs in japan for a while though
>>4071470okay maybe i was a bit too heated writing that shit, but still, i can't imagine this game NOT receiving all of the due criticism it needed once the final chapter releases, its gonna be like how people glazed the shit out of undertale yellow and its ending while shutting down the early criticism back when it released, before time passed by and criticism of undertale yellow began pouring in, same happened with deltatraveler, and it's only a matter of time before it catches up to deltarune too
>>4071469Truth is Toby fucked up by wanting to make his game political instead of for a broad audience. It worked for Undertale since it was in touch with what the normalfag gamers would like. But now we're ten years later and Toby is an out of touch millenial not woke enough for the crowd. Weird Route would have been a huge success in 2016, but it's too edgy for current zoomzooms and alphas.
>>4071475weird route is easily the most praised part of ch5, to the point where susellers are pissy that it completely overshadows what was supposed to be their big scene at the lake the only thing people don't like about it is how little there is, 5 years later the bulk of it is still in ch2 and that was already a gimped version of the chapter
Do people enjoy doomposting and acting like hysterical teenage girls Its a bit weirdEven more strange than the parasocial shit where people invent what or what not toby is thinking about and how he's totally shaking in his boots over memes.
>>4071473 (me)on the plus size side, we will get a LOT of "Deltarune but Fixed Mod Collection feat. beat the flowers with violence, no suselle, Extra dialogue choices Plus, Chapter 1-3 revamp to be consistent with the quality of other chapters, Kerdly exclusive route, QoL shit, Castle Town revamp, etc." mods once it's all said and done!
>>4071477people have invested 8 years of their lives for this gamemany of them are getting worried that it will have been a waste of time because the ending will be shitty due to poor writing and planning, especially now that the end is slowing coming into sight if you think it's bad now, you are not ready for the doomposting that is guaranteed to happen when ch6 comes out i have some slim hope for the weird route, but my gut is telling me that toby learned all the wrong things from mother 3 under the assumption that it was perfect, and deltarune will suffer for it
>>4071476No but I agree. There's a larger less vocal part of the fandom that's in it for the edge and a smaller more vocal part of the fandom that pretends they are in it for the fluff. Toby will NOT be able to please the two and he's probably losing sleep over it.
>>4071477I'm pretty sure it's a situation with jannies desperately clawing at any sort of control they think they can get that somehow they're going to be able to retroactively make people hate Deltarune by being really stupid about it.Unfortunately that's really not going to work because they don't play the game, and anyone can scroll through this thread, and countless other ones and see them having this same conversation over and over.Even though it does not work, and all it's really accomplished is destroying the site itself and making fools of themselves.They don't even live in reality at this point.
>>4071477i dont get it either. it's so over the top youd think it's just some dude falseflagging lol.wait for the game to be finished before you make such judgements. whatever ch6 is gonna focus on better be significant, otherwise these people might actually hurt themselves
>What the heck, people want to express their dislike of the direction the game they cared about for years now is going? Must be some conspiracy to shit up OUR threads, no one could want to talk about how upset they are!
>>4071489It's also funny because they think criticism implies we dislike the game. It's peak hypocrisy because they will crash out even worse than us when the final game is confirmed to be shit, or they will kill themselves idk.
>>4071487>"wait for the game to be finished before you make such judgements."ah yes, as if it was impossible to see the flaws and the cracks on something before its inevitable shitstorm is revealed to be shit, be realistic, deltarune is at the point where people WILL feel like it wasn't worth the decades long wait.
>>4071489>>4071490Just stop, dude. It's embarrassing.If you're actually genuine, criticism is fine but you talk like you know Toby personally and it's the creepiest saddest thing.
>>4071489Nobody said you couldn't "criticize" the game. Just that years on years of running around in a circle about how everyone is two weeks away from realizing that it was secretly always bad and there will be mass suicides and crash outs will not manifest your desired result.
>>4071494The only years and years I'm seeing is the time Toby is taking to release his kusoge.>Chapter 6 isn't going to address shit but please look forward to it!He even sucks at marketing. If anything it's surprising how few people call him on his bullshit.
>>4071495>If anything it's surprising how few people call him on his bullshit.that's because criticism of Toby's pet project or even toby's writing will get them harassed by the fandom, thus, discouraging them from speaking out in other places, you'll see a lot of them pop up when the game is finished
>>4071487I will be sad once the story goes full serious/dark since chapter 5 was the most fun I've had with a game in agesJust pure sovl the entire timeBut I understand why toby wanted a final feelgood hurrah before Susie becomes the streibough of this game and other shit that has been bubbling under the surface.
>>4071495Sure and when the happens we can chalk it up on the same board as the retards that were crying about Team Fortress 2 for the past 10 years.They definitely killed and/or took over the game and got everyone to hate Valve.This is certainly something that both happened and can work out.
>>4071492It looks to me like your biggest issue with the game is ultimately the episodic release format, which is understandable, but I don't know how that led you to lose all confidence. What cracks? What flaws?Nobody could have predicted the direction he took with the WR in ch5. He will deliver. Learn to be patient and stop getting mad at scenarios you have made up in your head.
>>4071475>but it's too edgy for current zoomzooms and alphas.That's what they want. Things get big now BECAUSE they're fucked up because they're so tired of everything being sanitized.They're terrified to admit it because everyone has to put on a show these days to avoid getting cancelled, but it's true. Just look at the recent Saya no Uta trend. You have to look past the loud minority of mentally-ill women having panic attacks and realize most people aren't like that.The weird route is all anyone really talks about out there too. Sure you have your random social warriors gushing about yellow and blue, but it's the lake stuff, the kriselle angst that's getting the attention. People aren't thinking about how Suselle will falter for a bit but ultimately come back in the end, no everyone's just imagining the drowned weird route where Noelle freezes everything in Castle TownAnd when it turns out that the whole point of this game is that nothing changes and nothing comes of it, THAT'S when everyone will openly riot.
>>4071499What do you gain from white knighting Toby so much? If Toby somehow ends up making the full game something I enjoy, I'll be the first to come and admit I was wrong.
>>4071503It's not "white knighting Toby" to refuse to play along with your delusions.>If Toby somehow ends up making the ful game something I enjoy, I'll be the first to come and admit I was wrong.If this was the case, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
>>4071507yagi?
>>4071077>piclooks obnoxious
>>4071218I know that this is unrelated but seeing art of this artist being posted just makes me sad that they deleted all their accounts and art, all we have now is reuploads at various qualities and that makes me sad.
>>4071508What happened I was playing videogames and missed it?Also, I guess this kind of confirms if it even needed to be that jannies are here lmao.
>>4071368>>4071371This is why Toby made a jab against you guys.
>Ughh grr I hate Deltarune I hate Deltarune this game is going to SUCK it'll be such a DISAPPOINTMENT I want to see it CRASH AND BURN because Toby Fox RAPED meWhy are you even here, man. If you're so confident the game will let you down why bother staying?
>>4071439The Thorn Ring is automatically turning into the gilded rose my man.
>>4071528Nah see, if they delete posts and make these stupid posts, people will start hating Deltarune. It's gonna work.This is not a stupid thing to do and a huge waste of time
>>4071528Don't you get it, toby fox PERSONALLY fucked my mom, ran over my dog and made fun of my favourite ship and schizo theory!!!What a hack!!!
>>4071508A mentally ill schizo.
>>4071528I assume sunken cost fallacy.
>>4071533What like narrative are you trying to set up when whatever that guy said got deleted?Nobody has any context other than you know what that deleted post says and you got mad at it.
>>4071537Fuck off from the thread, yagipedo. Your attention whoring victim complex isn't welcome here.
https://youtu.be/VK6osStreGAIt's genoKINO...
>>4071538So are you gonna like explain why you're having a meltdown about a post people can't read that the jannies deleted or what?
>>4071539>Genocidefags would rather have this slop over weird kino
>>4071540A lot of posts got deleted in this thread, you aren't special and you know it. You probably deleted your own post for attention and to victimized yourself as if you aren't a thread ruining schizo yourself. Last (you)
>>4071539I liked Flowery going back to Gold but the player never getting hit triggered me.>>4071542Weird Route IS genokino bro.
>>4071543None of the other posts itt that got deleted have anything to do with the deleted post that apparently you know what it says and are sperging out about.
>>4071542Weird Kino would be that but with the Vessel.
>>4071539I'm surprised Japs also bad taste in fanfiction
>>4071547Japs love 2016gold style fanon.
>>4071525What happened to him?
>>4071528>don't you DARE criticize the indie dev multimillionnaire
>>4071560Like I said they suddenly deleted all their accounts last year making her art lost media. There's an account reuploading it but it's all in lower quality.https://x.com/sosesoseji_fan
New Kriselle cringekino is out it seemshttps://balsaminaxxx.itch.io/echoes-of-the-glacier
>>4071300>SOMEONE should>but not me, oh not me of courseGet to work lazy bones.
>>4071125No secret boss in ch6, two secret bosses in ch7
IT'S OUThttps://balsaminaxxx.itch.io/echoes-of-the-glacier
>>4071572Lolielle!
>>4071575Cute childhood frens!
>>4071575This is a suspicious-looking black deer.
>>4071572Oh, another Korean game, then.
>>4071565>>4071572>more kriselle KINOI KNEEL
>Kills my father>Makes me a flower bouquetTh..thanks.....
>>4071599what is wrong with these fuckass does
>>4071575With loli Kris on the side! Sweet!
>>4071599Cute!
>What /v/ hopes is gonna happen to Susie
>>4071626FUCK YEAH! KILL THAT BITCH!
>>4070575>heavily implies that the normal route lake scene is a 'a noelle is just a noelle' moment>all but one of the replies are dooming
>>4071626We're going to kill them with the Vessel and not these two though.
>>4071648It is because >>4070957 is evergreen, when ch6 comes out they will be praising la creatividad toby. It is the same as the changed rose animation "retcon"
>>4071648I think some anons here are just really itching for another rose-tier debacle to happen so they can doompost about Suselle again.
>>4071626What is this?
>>4071672read >>4071572
>>4071659So what, you get yourself colored into look like Kris then shock them with a battle somewhere?
Thoughts?https://youtu.be/D-EYd5pfiL0
>>4071693Mini-Kris in board 3 is just the Vessel, we will meet up with Susie and Ralsei once they reach the depths via the shelter.
>>4071695If Susie doesn't flat-out realize that Kris is a double agent by the end of Chapter 6 I'd be fucking furious. But I do like her starting to break down and feel overwhelmed.I wish, though, instead of her crying, we got to see her revert to her Chapter 1 mannerisms to cope. Especially with Kris being a traitor.
alphys what the FUCK
>>4071565>>4071572Why does only krisellefags get the good stuff...?
>>4071700yeah its probly nothing, the ice cream on the beach scene doesnt happen in chapter 4 it happens in 5 and its not like toby switched the chapters around or anything... right?
>>4071700You know, in a world with humans and monsters, would cat ears be taken as a sign of cat hybridization, or cat MONSTER hybridization?Is Mew Mew a human-monster hybrid? Is that how she was meant to be perceived by humans in the Undertale universe, if not what she literally is in her own?
>>4071699Nah, just wanna see that bitch cry
>>4071699>Susie doesn't flat-out realize that Kris is a double agent by the end of Chapter 6 I'd be fucking furious.Susie won't be in Chapter 6 period.
Sorry boys the soul yearns for Alphys
Four foot seven, the [[BIG SHOT]] manIs trapped inside his garbage canCounting his KROMERs as fast as he canLike the every dailyDreams of spotlight, the [[KROMER]] manHe would do anything to get his chanceInside a NEO world that's full of adsWhat to do, the [[BIG SHOT]] Man, [[BIG SHOT]] Manwith his phone, in his handSo he standsTo sell the whole wide worldA new carWay up high, Heaven's skyWith FREEDOM in his eyesAin't it niceA life where you can haveFREEDOM
>>4071572>>4071626RPG Maker?
>>4071700Pink (body) is CANONICALLY a human girl btw.
>>40717034 and 5 were swapped schizos will feast with this.
>>4071528>Why are you even hereOne place in the internet that allows being negative for shit like this>why bother staying?Because there was a time I had hope the game would do at least the bare minimum to repeat what I had liked about UT and the demo chapters.
>>4071501>the direction he took with the WR in ch5. >He will deliver.HAHAHAHAHA CUTSCENES CUTSCENES CUTSCENES!I SURE LOVE WATCHING GAMES!!!!HE CAN'T REACH THE VERY BASIC STANDARDS HE SET IN 2021 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>4071730Kino cutscenes though, and 7B confirms the presence of actual Weird Route gameplay and esclusive bosses.
>>4071732>roughly the same amount of WR content as GR content from a game considerably shorter>many times less WR content than GR content relative to both game's lengthsenjoy your naughty dog shit
>>4071730>the tone of the scenes doesn't mean anything to me>except when it does
>>4071572>>4071575>>4071599>>4071626It looks good. I'll give it a try later tonight.
>>4071734believe or not, I want to play the game
>>40717337B is probably gonna last hours if not more than Chapter 5, which already is the longest Chapter thus far.
>>4071736So do I. I just don't have a mental illness over what counts as "playing" or how it has to be distributed.
>>4071726Does someone really believe that? Never heard about it and quick googling gives nothing
>>4071738>https://deltarune.com/update-092021/>I believe [chapter 2] it's the biggest chapter in the entire game in many ways. The cutscene count is the largest, the story involves many characters, and there are many other aspects that made it a challenging chapter.The new chapters stretch what was said here (and Toby acknowledges that in a more recent newsletter) but 7b being huge would come out of nowhere.And no matter how good 7b will be, it will not make up for the jarring transition of going from weird 2 to fucking Tenna and Jackenstein as if nothing happened, and not even the lack of a WR in 1.
>>4071717She's taken, though.
>>4071740The person I was replying to does as well as some schizos, but it's probably not actually true.
>>4071743Nope, sent the candies back to Sans and Undyne got snatched into the shelter, Alphys is 100% available and she's gonna squeal louder than she did when Mew Mew Kissie Cutie 2 came out
>>4071740I suspect they might have been swapped in the outlining phase before 2021. I don't have a set belief on this until Toby reveals himself.
2 and 3 pair better than 1 and 2.4 and 5 pair better than 3 and 4.I really think this is a lot of what people are feeling when they say 4 and 5 were swapped.
>>4071756It would have been a better release schedule than what we gotseveral misconceptions about deltarune never get the chance to be born
>>4071745She's still next to Undyne in Mantle.
>>4071756Chapter 2's worst issues are setting up ideas (Berdly being a main character, expanding playable cast, Mike, the Weird Route being a wild derailment every chapter) that were never meant to be followed through, so I agree with this
>>4071742Considering the progress page shows that 7B will have multiple battles, I expect it to not be a 5B tier cutscene, it will at least be as long as 3 was.
Kressbros...we're being made fun of.......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkGfs-0ILuo
>>4071766No actual Kressbro believes in the grooming theory. Kress is a crackship and everyone besides insane schizophrenics will agree.
>>4071763>Mike was set up and not followed through onThe way he was set up exactly matches the follow through, it's more like >>4071758 said with preventing misconceptions from forming.
Toby's original idea to release 2-7 together, while unfeasible, was honestly the best option. It would have avoided most of the massive misconceptions that come with every new chapter release.
>>4071768I don't think he could have possibly predicted people would take Mike 100% seriously as a critical plot element, sometimes a bread crumb is a bread crumb
>>4071766Doelesting is supposed to be a joke as well as a crack/pornship, it's not supposed to be an actual serious theory because Toby will never imply Dess assaulted Kris.
I must be the only person who believes Carol isn't in cahoots with the Knight, nor does she have a crazy secret cult plan, nor does she know that much about anything that's happeningAmong a lot of thinks, I find her phone call to Kris in the end of Chapter 4 WR is very strange within the context she and Kris would've had previous secret evil calls and have been talking in the shadows all this time, just for her to not even be certain if Kris was attending the festival or not.
>>4071776>the conspiracy never existed>eternal theorist seethe
>>4071769>release 2-7 together>unfeasibleBecause...?
>>4071740>>4071744i vaguely remember it being mentioned in one of the newsletter updates, ill do some digging and see if i can find it.
>>4071740Its a combination of people who believe that was the case and people who believe it SHOULDVE been the case, because intent or not on an objective level having the chapter that establishes the true stakes of the story makes more sense coming after the last fun adventure rather than the other way around. Calm before the storm and all that
>>4071781Probably because a decade or more would pass between Chapter 1 and 2-7 being released.
>>4071792And the issue with that is?
>>4071776I genuinely think most theorist have not seen the writing on the wall and still think toby is this mastermind whos planned out every detail meticulously and nothing is coincidence or accident. He got the fucking credits title wrong in the ch5 ost (which they still tried rationalizing because again, "toby would never slip up"), clearly he is not paying nearly as much attention as people believe he is and every chapter proves that more and more with how much he has to go back and correct/edit shit. They're still working under the assumption Toby cannot POSSIBLY make a writing error in this story that's clearly going through some form of development hell
>>4071776I agree, I think the spooky voice is the Knight. Carol investigating the shelter also makes me doubt that she's involved since she wouldn't need to do that if she was in Kris and the Knight's plan.
>>4071796closet Kris moment
>>4071796I mean, to theorize you have to assume every piece of information given to you has some meaning that can be connected to other things, and the story you're analzying isn't commiting any errors. Theorists will miss because they try to value everything, but some details don't actually mean anything, yet right now it's impossible to know when the curtains are meant to be blue and when the curtains are just blue.
>>4071740there's nothing officially saying that but people think 4 and 5's main plots were swapped around at some point due to the really jank pacing obviously this would've happened fairly early in development just due to how the released chapters are structured, but it does explain why ch4 feels like the stakes are finally getting raised and we're heading towards the endgame and then ch5 makes it all come to a screeching halt and nobody seems to give a shit about what happened the day prior to fuck around on a date and then with the flowers some people also think it would make more sense for the church to be on sunday and the festival on saturday rather than the other way around
>>4071781It would take longer than Toby would want to and it seems clear Toby is unwilling to go +10 years without a single Deltarune release after just releasing Chapter 1.
>>4071725>the only girl that has actually shown interest in kris with no strings attached is another humangiven kris' complex, that's probably a weird feel
>>4071796>not seen the writing on the wall and still think toby is this mastermind whos planned out every detail meticulouslyThat whole thing happened because Undertale was incredible tight in regards to foreshadowing. Nearly everything that got hinted at an early point in the story came to happen in a straightforward later, like people guessing the Dreemurr family only with the demo.There where a few red herrings like Omega Asgore but nowhere near as many red herrings Deltarune has.>the fucking credits title wrong in the ch5 ostI don't think Toby is retarded to the point of confusing Scarlet Forest with Field of Hopes and Dreams.You gotta consider that version of Scarlet Forest contains the egg man song, so the whole thing might have been an attempt to misdirect everyone away from it for a few days.
>>4071809Probably why he doesn't mind Susie "fumbling" their date at all.
>>4071812>Mergefags were a thing even back then
>>4071807>obviously this would've happened fairly early in development just due to how the released chapters are structuredaccording to the newsletters, chapters 3/4/5 were being worked on all at once, and concept art for chapter 5 was being made as early as 2016the original plan was a 3/4/5 release but 5 ended up getting delayed (possibly due to the 2D mechanics and LARGE amount of collab work)it's possible the chapters were switched during development, but we have 0 hard defining evidence or statements and until that day comes the chapter swap theory will just remain in the schizo territory.
>>4071800Conflicting part is the closet scene>Susie... guitar...?>... I'll be... Right there...and then Carol shows up home early
>>4071812>consider that version of Scarlet Forest contains the egg man songDude, give it up, it was a literal mistake. He went back and fixed it, you can go look at the ost right now it being titled Scarlet Forest was only ever a mistake
>>4071816afaik the delay was primarily because of the platforming mechanics, yeahi remember during the WAIT toby was spending a lot of time doing collabs with random nip artists, to the point where people were starting to give him shit for doing anything but actually working on the game
>>4071817Also Carol clearly has access to the Bunker since Napstablook says she and Undyne went in it.
>>4071818It took longer to fix this and add the protein dialogue than to change the wilting rose lmao
>>4071805theorizing about the second nigga in the closet was funny as hellno regrets there
>>4071822it took him a month to remove closet kris and actually put in a ch4 spincake too, he really is not paying attention to the story as much as he is his personal image
>>4071818whatever man, there are other hills more worth dying for in this trainwreck anyway
>>4071817It's not up to question that call was Carol, that doesn't mean Kris was talking to Carol in the kitchen phone call. As for why she came, it's a simple explanation that Kris snitched Noelle bringing home her school crush who's that stinky poor dinosaur delinquent, and she's touching Dess' precious guitar, so Carol should come in and kick her out to protect Noelle.
>>4071822yeah people call any patch cope or cowardice or reactionary but it's really only the rose that had him moving that quick
Alright optimistic anons, how do you think 7 and 7b could answer all those loose threads in a satisfying manner and also not be a poorly paced loredump about everything at once?
>>4071826Sure, but this just means the spooky voice could be anyone, at any time. Not just the Knight
Im surprised no one is willing to consider the idea the knight isnt carol or that carol isnt intending to work with the knight, rather the knight just has influence over her in a way similar to us having influence over Kris. It would explain why Alvin fucked with Gerson's corpse despite not being the knight too, and SOMEONE in the knight crew has to have extensive knowledge of soul shit for us to be here at all in their grasp. Kris doesnt act like he knows, the first time he tears us out he has to gear up for it and struggles and only after that is he used to it, so that just leave the Knight
>>4071817I always thought that was the Knight rushing to make a fountain since earlier on it said it would only make a fountain later.
>>4071572>Three EndingsThat already sounds better than Deltarune
>>4071830Because that just takes away agency from her for no reason.
>>4071830honestly the gerson/alvin thing still feels like a plothole because why the fuck would alvin dig out the hammer and keep it in the church for that night? there is still info missing
When FemKris is revealed people will be hailing Toby as a subversive genius, creating a plot twist literally nobody* predicted.
>>4071848Nope, it ain't happening
>>4071848the true subversion at this point is pretty much toby just saying kris is a boy, would like to see if the fanbase would finally turn on him
when femkris is revealed, half of his queer fans will commit suicide, the other half of his queer fans will chase him with pitchforks over enby erasure, half of his chud fans will pop a vein in rage over being tricked into yuri ships, the other half of his chud fans will cum non stop
>>4071844Did he not already have the hammer? He mutters to himself like he already had it in CH2 and unless Alvin is a great gardener i dunno how he'd fix the scene of the crime that quickly
>>4071851No it won't. Most casual fans already view Kris as a man. It's only the brainrotted ones that enforce the enby shit.
>>4071851The real subversion is that Kris is actually biologically genderless because they aren't actually a human.
>>4071852>the other half of his chud fans will cum non stopLiterally me
when femkris is revealed, i will laugh alongside the other 6 anons about being correct while the fanbase burns and then i'll wake up from my dream
>>4071860Would you be happy even if you know Toby would never make another game again because his career is over?
>>4071862To be fair it's unlikely he will make another game anyways.
>>4071862You greatly overrate how much blowback it will get. Fans near universally suck Toby's dick. If he got away with "eat shit, faggots", he will get away with FemKris.
>>4071864Nah, absolutely not. Even "normal" fans have bought the Kris is nonbinary thing. Every non binary teenager who has Kris as their sacred idol would want him dead for this and less normal people would accuse him of (actually true) queerbaiting. Also you have to consider a lot of people in his development team are trans and wouldn't like that on principle.
>>4071862if toby is a true creative, people's reactions to a theoretical femkris will not stop him in the future and some people would actually praise him if they bothered to look back and see the evidence leading up to it, like some anons here have
>>4071844My theory is that he knows some amount about dark worlds. If there's anyone in town who's thought about the prophecy enough to theorize something like dark worlds and how they work without being truly in on anything, it would be him.>but why would he know to keep it in the church?I think he put the snow globe there to keep it close, and was still waiting for some sign of where it would be possible to revive. A dark world forming right in the church was not necessarily his plan. But he expected his father to be revived at some point, and here he had a letter about his father, written by a third party. Clearly a child, and just the kind of child his father helped thrive.So basically, he was trying to play the prophecy and it made a fool of him while still technically giving him the closure he was after. Seems pretty on-theme, and also helps explain his reaction to the state of the church.
>>4071812>guessed>it's actually dataminedOh, we have "guessed" a lot of things about Deltarune then.
>>4071865>Even "normal" fans have bought the Kris is nonbinary thing.No they don't. Every streamer call Kris a man and has to be later corrected by chat.
>>4071862NTAIt's not like he is ever making another game I'd enjoy anyway, so I couldn't care less.
>>4071870Yet they comply. Their chat would reprimand them from still playing the chud game that erased non binary representation made by problematic creator Toby Fox so they would drop the game.
>>4071869>>guessed>>it's actually dataminedSo?It was just a name.A lot of what we know was datamined. Entry 17, the unused text in Deltarune as so on. It has always been a part of the theorist experience.
>>4071806While that is true, Deltarune theorists are the most deranged type of faggots who will string up shit like every instance of one specific word being used in the game, make a crack "theory" out of it, then start believing it for real, then get angry that it never gets addressed, all while forgetting that it was never an actual thing in the first place.
>>4071856Little did we know, the pink parallels were a lot more literal than we thought. Kris is an actual, literal, unironic puppet so he doesnt have genitals
>>4071859Based and canon Heteronormative Kriselle.
>>4071876>So?As I said this applies to Deltarune as well, not just Undertale. It's not expert foreshadowing to name a room in the game files in a certain way. Some things were meant to be found, some are just technicalities that people found, one is storytelling and the other isn't so they should not be treated the same way.
>>4071880>puppet>no ball joints>no seams>JUST featureless crotchWhat's the FUCKING point
>>4071862>Would you be happy even if you know Toby would never make another game againAbsolutely I hope that toby never tries to make another game again.His "style" is going through what I could only call a decline.somehow, every chapter of deltarune with the exception of chapter 4 has been worse in gameplay and more frivolous in writing than it's preceding entry.
>>4071884oral
What kind of controversy would it take to turn Toby Fox into the next JK Rowling? She got dumb kids and dumb adults shitting on everything of hers for the crime of saying men can't turn into women, what would it take for this fuckers cult to turn on him?
>>4071893There is literally nothing too evil for toby not to permit.He has no integrity
>>4071884that's fake news we know kris uses the washroom, so there must be something going on down stairs
>>4071893Unless he makes chud comments it's never going to happen.
>>4071893people finding out about him liking lolis
>>4071852>>4071859Will book a flight to Japan to.. have a chat with Toby if this is the case.I won't be tricked into giving my money to yurislop.
>>4071903Nobody gave a shit about Aqua.
>>4071776How do you explain her talking to US (in red letters) then?
>>4071905aqua is safe loli
>>4071893Toby is far more woke than her, so probably nothing. I think the only thing is maybe being pro AI since Zun also is, iirc.
>>4071904Can anon beat Toby or will Toby MEGALOVANIA anon in real life?
>>4071907Toby is a westerner. Aqua as as unsafe as a western creator can make.
>>4071904bro got so traumatized by suselle that he completely blocked the memory off
>>4071904Kris is cursed to only end up with Ralsei because Suselle is a thing.
>>4071912Well it's either that or Kerdly or Krisoul.
>>4071907she's pretty dangerous actually have you seen her knives
>>4071904I don't see the problem, really. It is implied that Noelle has been into girls since she was little, and Kris being a girl would explain Noelle's crush on Kris when they were children.
>>4071911>>4071912I don't mind Suselle because anybody with even the slightest shred of literacy knows that shit's gonna crash and burn to nothingness.
Why are Kriselle CHADS the only ones making original content?
>>4071916They aren't real it's ok
>>4071920Angst is genuinely a fantastic creative driving force.
>>4071919>anybody with even the slightest shred of literacy knows that shit's gonna crash and burn to nothingness.I would never count it out, you just know there is a big chance it will be the main/true ship on the golden ending
>>4071920>Krusieraped and killed>Suselleslop that will only inspire twitter trannies to draw Susie and Noelle being close to each other and blushing, and nothing else>KriselleActual angst kino, the only one that can lead to greatness
>>4071919It will, then it will come back stronger. Mark my words.
>>4071920kriselle has the deepest characterization and everyone loves tragic childhood friends who still have feelings for each other
>>4071920It's the only ship that has the artful wokes and chuds coexisting to make content for it.
>>4071920Site is a good motivator
Why are there so many stupid survey questions in this thread? I thought we weren't a general.
16-18 days until the next newsletter, maybe, if Toby decides to make another one for the anniversary.
>>4071930>wokesKriselle gives off way too many straight vibes for them.
>>4071893You can really feel this existential asspain that Tobystalkers feel 24/7
>>4071938why did you post this
>>4071939He made a badly written game and supported terrorists using other peoples money. I have reasons to not like him.
>>4071940To show that Kriselle isn't particularly popular among troons and dykes?
>>4071781YOUR TAKING TOO LONG>>4071940proxy argument with twitter randoms
>>4071941you guys are why i’ve scrubbed my internet presence before going public with my works
>>4071944He did the latter AFTER he went publicI hope he never comes back to America.
>>4071919I think they will fight in Chapter 6 because of Noelle wanting to keep her own fountain so Rudy doesn't die but they won't truly break up.
>>4071944honestly internet witch-hunters are giant pussies, i'd probably scrub my net history just for PR's sake in toby shoes but i don't really fear The Alt Right Gooner and his brigade of twitter sockpuppets that post about me all day and can't achieve orgasm unless they feel superior to me
>>4071939Sometimes I wonder if the random modern 4chan hate boner for anime is because people here get really bent out of shape that Japanese people are much more reclusive and don’t leave much gossip material
>>4071938Goomy, the most famous Kriselle artist on X (formerly Twitter), is a dyke.
>>4071927That's how it's supposed to work, yes.>they know nothing of each other at first but feel attracted to the masks they're wearing>they learn about each others' flaws and how they're the opposite of who they seem to be, and fall out, probably fight>they come to terms with those flaws and each try to find a compromise, a way to start again but this time find real attraction>they come together again through trials and tribulationsNote that it might not even happen fully in ch 6 and get stretched across 7 too up until the end. It's just like Susie was sometimes in the party in ch 1 but only at the end she truly understood why she needed to work together with the others so the "Susie joins the party for real" had no fanfare but a warm jingle.
>>4071950I really love her style.
>>4071948i think it's primarily because of the massive influx of election tourists and government agencies in 2015/16 that never left
>>4071950So what? There are a couple of exceptions, sure, but most of them don't like Kriselle.
>>4071956honest opinions on gooseworx?
>>4071950goomy also draws femkriselle, although she isn't in your face about it from what i've seen
>>4071959Who?
>>4071958Most of them like Kriselle you dummy. Lesbians like Kriselle more than Suselle.
I hope the SOUL in Side B gets the chance to look like Giygas.
>>4071964You hate yourself that much?
>>4071893>Toby Fox into the next JK Rowling?Saying Kris is a man and that he always thought of him as a man
>>4071965There's a big art trend that's all about making the Side B Soul look like a horrific Monster so yeah I want that to be canon in a way.
>>4071964This but Gaster.
>>4071967That's stupid
>>4071951I can see this happening and I'm not even a Suselle fan to be honest. Toby is sometimes very predictable, so unless something tragic happens (the end of the prophecy, a girl dying), Susie and Noelle still have high chances even if they break up in Chapter 6, which I believe will happen for sure.There's also the boring possibility of a friendship ending...
>>4071965I would look cool as fuck like that though.
>>4071971I don't think "you're actually an evil ugly monster, you, the person playing the game for fun" is too compelling for an rpg. Not interested.
I remember reading a tweet pointing out that the battle against the Knight in Chapter 3 can be read as (You)r battle, because all of your characters are limited against fighting her for one reason or another:>Kris is sandbagging on purpose>Ralsei won't bust out his fire spells because "it'll just make everything le worse">Susie still is in the middle of developing her full skill setI really hope that in any of the routes you'll get more instances of the SOUL being able to act by itself.
>>4071944I know for sure erasing my internet presence won't do much for me because all my embarrassing and deleted posts can found on wayback machine. All it takes one obsessive schizo to trace all your internet footprint and connect all the dots, and boom, they got you.That being said, I doubt it will have much impact on a career (see Omocat), unless it's something so foul and controversial, you get fired for it (see James Gunn)
>>4071974I didn't feel it
>>4071973But I'm a really cool evil time and space bending evil Red Monster though.
>>4071978Keep it to yourself and your offs and your anti-games
>>4071973If you don't get the appeal of being an intimidating bad guy then I suppose I can see why you wouldn't like it.
>>4071979>Anti-gamesBuddy you're playing one.
>>4071963>Lesbians like Kriselle more than Suselle.Nah-uh. Here are some stats from Tumblr for you.>number of people following the spamtenna tag on tumblr>17295>number of people following the krusie tag on tumblr>14910>number of people following the suselle tag on tumblr>11997>number of people following the kerdly tag on tumblr>8579>number of people following the kriselle tag on tumblr>6557>number of people following the kralsei tag on tumblr>4670>number of people following the ralsusie tag on tumblr>1996
>TumblrYikes
>>4071982>TumblrSadly shot to death after the porn ban
>>4071978>RedIf onlyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1xKwlGqGOM
>>4071979Off is a good game though, and the Batter is cool.
>>4071981That changed when he sold it to the mainstream on a Nintendo console You make games on those not propaganda
>>4071982Tumblr isn't dykes but yumejos. It's mostly straight women which is why yaoi is popular.
>>4071987Nintendo would sell Mario anti-games if it made them money.
>>4071986Its fine. If it's only one game. Don't spread it to the rest of them.
>>4071988Straight girls like Kriselle too, though. I have seen female youtubers who love how "spicy" the WR is.
>>4071982>more people still care about Krusie than SuselleWonder how Tony feels about this>>4071984Nope, still alive and kicking
>>4071980I don't see the appeal if you can't actually do what you want that way
>>4071970Well any Suselle setup feels very predictable in ch6, and Toby doesn't like doing predictable. There's tons of reasons for them to have tension over Dark worlds, Rudy, possibly the Knight if it's a Holiday. Here's where the thing "that we will be surprised was missing" will probably come into play. Maybe it was to be taken literally, like Noelle is missing altogether. Or that we've interpreted some shit about Dark worlds completely wrong because half of our knowledge of Dark fountains comes from Ralsei, a known not-teller, and the other comes from Queen who admitted she actually knows jack shit about it but we just accepted her interpretation of the determination thing because it made sense to us as Undertale players.I'm especially interested in the Suselle fallout because it ensures that Susie will be the one who is tested. Her integrity will be measured in sacrifices she'll be willing to make for Noelle. For example is she in love enough to cause the Roaring for her? Close the Castle Town fountain for her? Surrender to the Knight for her? Doubt it. That's where her fake it till you make it attitude will have to end.> friendship endingI'd be okay with that if it's as an open ended thing. Like if they're still undeniably over like Toriel and Asgore but aren't actively angry at each other or something.
>>4071993toby is schizo on krusie where he's give them fantastic moments while also completely tanking the possibility of it ever happening
>>4071986God remember the fight between Spamton and the batter? that shit was kino
>>4071718Based
>>4071989Nintendo would sell anything that makes them money
>>4071989If you believe the only purpose of games is spreading propaganda about how your own opinions on the game are bad and how the artist is always right, you should not be making them.
>>4071993I don't think Toby cares about what the majority of his fans thinks versus what he actually likes.
>>4072009No, it's his tranny dev team he listens to.
>>4072009Chapter 5 revealed Toby is extremely sensitive to fan reactions. He's coming off as incredibly insecure, which is surprising.
kino status?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V6teuukCpyY
>>4072009He still acted defensive in the newsletter though
>>4072017I hope he gets what's coming to him if he fucks it up. He fucked up chapter 5 already
>>4071572This game is fucking awesome. It's the best Deltarune fan game IMO. I kneel, krisellechads.
>>4071956boy it literally always comes down to somebody still writhing in agony over BLM happening, it's 9/11 for /pol/ types
>>4071572this is canon now
>>4072014>>4072017He could be sensitive but it's proof he would rather do his own thing than what the fans want.
>>4071901no balls, no shaft, no vag, just pure chiapet bush
>>4071702Virtually everything revolves around their relationship. Of course the ambiguity and the yearning attracts the devs.
>>4071702Because it's well written
>>4071702Ralsei is too vague, and Suselle got so bad people think it's shit on purpose. Who would look at Kriselle and pick them off the shelves?
>>4072006If you interpret any game that posits "hey maybe every player isn't automatically right" as an attack on every player's interpretation that's on you.
>>4072046Toby is attacking him and his lifestyle in particular, please understand.
>>4071948>Japanese people are much more reclusive and don’t leave much gossip materialQuasi-related but sometimes I’ll look at /v/ or /co/ and still see fucking Dobson threads, I can’t grasp the mindset of retards who think the point of this site is to just be a shittier KF
>>4071526https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/last/300/4068241/#4071507 Here's the deleted post.
>>4072056I think it's the 1% autistic phenomenon where people try to chase people slightly weirder than them to make themselves feel better.
Papyrus status?
>>4072056>>4072063It's pretty much the whole of the internet nowadays. Lolcows chasing bigger lolcows because everything else is pure shit and those lolcows are the only thing interesting if you poke and prod them just right.
>>4071893Gaster saying IT directly to (You) before his boss fight in chapter 7B
>>4071893Kris being revealed to not be nonbinary. The more nothingburger the "controversy", the more likely it'll actually have an impact.
>>4072061Unbelievably based anon
>>4072061Hm, well I guess I can see why they would delete that post since they hate Deltarune and the Fangame thread.I wonder what their specific beef is with that little fangame character that gets posted considering they were still mad about it after the post got deleted.
>>4072064The Knight.
>>4072066You see the same thing happen here with people always obsessing over thread personalities across the website. People are just obsessed to find someone else to make fun of.
>>4072014>I don't believe my game is for every person. But, to a certain type of people, attuned a certain type of way, this game can reach a meaning beyond its appearance, and find a shape in your heart. Even if there's just one person that feels that way, I will keep making this game to grow by your side.>Everyone’s experience may vary, but if the game resonated deeply with a few players, I feel confident I’m moving in the right direction.nothing's off the table for him, including a possible gender reveal for kris
>>4072064Showing up in Chapter 7 as a child.
>>4072064Papyrus will show up alongside Asriel in 7a for a single line of dialogue and then the credits roll
Who will have the last laugh in 2029?
>>4072085idk
>i have self-worth issues so im working with queen for validation>"STFU Berdly, lets beat his ass/violently bump his cart until it explodes!">I Just Want To Make Lightners And Noelle Happy>"STFU Queen we're willing to beat your ass twice!">i lost all of my coworkers and i just want to relive the good old days with kris because of my bpd trauma with my shitty past + abandonment issues from kris' family falling apart>"STFU Tenna we're willing to beat your ass">hey guys why don't you just seal your super fountain and leave this one open so your recruits all turn into stone, we die without sunlight and successively shove Kris' dad into super escapism and tear kris' family apart permanently?>"OMGG YOUR SO RIGHT!! IS HE REALLY THE BAD GUY? LETS BEND THE KNEE!! huh? you wanna BATTLE to PROTECT YOUR OWN WORLD? NAH WE'RE GONNA RISE FROM THE DEAD AND MAX HEAL FLOWERY UP WITH 20 TP BECAUSE FUCK YOU, DON'T COUNT ON US TO ACTUALLY DO THIS FOR YOU DURING THE ROARING KNIGHT FIGHT BTW"and thats not even mentioning the fact you can get your friends to beat Green up for no understandable reason in the same chapter.
>>4072085Self-inserters (Vesselfaggots)
just took a vacation from 4chan. want to take a guess as to which character caused it?
>>4072087yeah
>>4072086vesselfags
>>4072090mew mew
>>4072092meant for >>4072085
>>4072085Me, because even now I am not violently attached to my theories. The game is right about itself, after all.
>>4072089I'm gonna insert my self into the Vessel alright.
>>4072099>headwingsthat's incredibly specific. This is someone's vessel+player angel OC, isn't it?
>normal route fags WAITING for more suselle and a single reveal, no more shadow crystals or eggs or starwalkers or fun darkners>weird route fags WAITING to get absolutely nothing on 6>aborted WR fags WAITING to know if their route ever existeddeltarune is truly one of the waiters of all time
>>4072103>dingwings
>>4072106Good thing my favorite series are Banjo-Kazooie and Castlevania. I'm used to WAITING
>>4072080Shouldn't have sold it to the mainstream, then.He sold an ntr game to children on a Nintendo console and actually got characters in the game to get you to promote it.For kids.
>>4072106more like us waiting for the super weird route mods to come out
>>4072103>vessel+player angel OCit ishttps://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1w1gbqm/rouxls_kaard_x_vessel_definitely_not_self_shipping/
>>4072103Someone's Vessel OC yes, and it started a wave of other people showing off their Vessel OCs. It's cute :)
Why are all the vessels girls
>>4072110>creator is responsible for who shows interest in his gameNope.
>>4072116He's responsible for who he gets to sell the game to. Giving it to nintendo was a conscious choice.
>>4072109>banjo kazooie>waitingBro, you're a corpse. The last time anyone had the will to make new Banjo was nearly 20 years ago now. Smash was an anomaly based primarily on an "evergreen" version of his Tooie appearance and has demonstrably not resulted in any new games. Do you need help?
man I can't fucking believe I want to go back to 2024 with how shit thing's are here now
>>4072115Deltarune Souls are sluts.
>>4072115because all the male vesselfags either want to rape noelle or kris and thats not kosher
>>4072119Nintendo doesn't require your games be straightforward. They're complete sticks in the mud, don't get me wrong, I'm still surprised Toby works with them at all, but they don't have a hard requirement that your games do nothing "meta". That'd be absurd.
>>4072120No i'm fine i'm used to it
Isnt Deltarune multiplat
>>4072121God i'm so glad the schizo OC era is over
>>4072129Hell yeah man, just look at the sea of creativity and fun here!
>>4072085VesselGODS.
>>4072099ZAMN!!!
>>4072115We don't actually play as it so even places like /sus/ treat it as an OC and not a self-insert.
>>4072131But it isn't those shitty OCs and that makes me happy
why do vesselfags want genocide so much again? did toby fail to make the cast likable? like every other post from them is like "dude just wait for the hometown massacre like in the mantle game" even though.. that doesn't make a lot of sense? we already crossed to whatever the other side is. don't see why we would go back.
>>4072145>did toby fail to make the cast likable?I think so
>>4072145Mantle shows Kris, or something that appears to be Kris, by himself, killing Susie, Ralsei, then a bunch of monsters, and after that entering the shelter. At that point you have two options, either you don't think what's shown in the last stage of Mantle means anything, or it's an indication that we are going to go back and do something drastic to get a different ending.
>>4072145Blame Toby for creating Mantle, I only believe in genocide because of board 3.
>>4072145Mainly because of MANTLE, the "game where you get to do what YOU wanna do" that was corrupted into Murder Hobo 20XX, but also because it's the only way you can fulfill the "let the player go completely off-script" criteria without severely overcomplicating the game and adding mountains of devtime for all the sheer variables you'd have to account for.
>>4072145>why do people want another version of one of the most intriguing things about UT so much again?take a guess>did toby fail to make the cast likable?Let's see what we got>two annoying self centered pricks who leave their friends behind for people they barely know>two backstabbing lying pricks who constantly act against the player and the overall progression of the story >the story gets increasingly more laser focused on these 4 characters and how deep and thoughtful their struggles areAnd it comes at the cost of the better side cast getting repeatedly downplayed, underutilized, or straight up ruined for no good reason. And sometimes (Ch4) the side cast barely even exists
>>4072145normal route is boring and MANTLE promised us a super genocide boss rush if we do the weird run
>>4072153>the better side castCattifags...
>>4072155cattifags, kingfags, carolfags, gasterfags, mikefags, floweyfags (no R), johnbishopfags, asgorefags, berdlyfags, torielfags, undynefags, pinkfags and so on
>>4072157also papyrusfags, sansfags, asrielfags, charafags, schizobossfags...
it feels as if this current era of the fandom has been so long already, but it only started a bit over a year ago
>>40721635 era fandom is basically just a more pessimistic 4 era fandom.
>>4072164It felt like there was a new trend each two weeks at least, everyone is just sorta miffed now
>>4072165'member pirate gaster? i ‘member!
>>40721645 is just a filler episode that didn't expand on anything, of course.Nothing Changed.There isn't a single new long lasting meme character, even fucking aqua posting died down really fast.Also nothing fun to expect and speculate. We don't have a Mike to think about anymore.
>>4072170>There isn't a single new long lasting meme characterflowery?
>>4072145deltarune has done fuck all to make me endeared to most of its characters. the returning undertale characters do jack, most of the new lightners are condemned to joke hell, and most of the newer darkners just feel like one note gag machines. I felt bad for killing Berdly but he technically didn't even die and no one acknowledges him afterwards and the only other characters i really care about are susie and ralsei and even they're starting to push their luck. why should i feel bad about the idea of kris and noelle gunning down most of these people?
>>4072172Flowery will last as long as Tenna at best. Depressing how no one had the continuous attention of someone like Lancer in these new chapters.
>>4072173I don't know what happened after ch 2 to make Toby so afraid of giving focus characters beyond the main cast.Toriel and Undyne did nothing, Asgore got less developed than Berdly, Gerson and the flowers were automatically written off, Tenna and Jack can die and are written around that, no villain in ch 4, Pink was tucked into two corners and isn't allowed to get out.
>>4072179>I don't know what happened after ch 2 to make Toby so afraid of giving focus characters beyond the main cast.i guess toby thought "damn people might not care much about the characters if they can just cut them down like any other enemy just like they did with berdly" and ended up fucking it up
>>4072157>>4072160Yep, I think we're winning Friskbros.
>>4072170Every character posting died because we were exiled here.
how would you feel if toby revealed in one of the newsletters something like "hey guys i was actually planning to do a deltarune asgore fight but scrapped it after making the battle theme because he already had his focus on undertale, here's the battle theme if you want to"?
>>4072179Because they are meant to be side characters who do side character things and the main characters do main character things. Idk why you guys want to wrestle with the story like this. Everything has its role and place.
>>4072182what about netskieposters
>>4072184side characters also don't become irrelevant forever after one chapter either
>>4072185You can't pretend to be someone else here, too.
>>4072179>Pink was tucked into two corners and isn't allowed to get outThat one is a good thing though
>>4072183dunno, I wasn't too mad about that since giving Asgore a fight with a motivation that doesn't make him an asshole was very hard
>>4072186Do you want Toriel to become part of the party for the rest of the game so you can use her magic Firegrave and Ass Slam spells or something? What exactly should they be doing?
>>4072183Wonder why he leaked his 7B theme so soon.
>>4072186Did you forgot how Papyrus disappeared from UT after his fight? Or how Napstablook was never anything more than a throwaway Ruins midboss?>>4072184Because we didn't ever get elaborated plots and several cutscenes and fights around characters like Lancer, Queen and Berdly, right?Such an unreachable standard.
>>4072184mostly because it never felt like the characters in undertale were glorified road bumps or wasted potential despite being a significantly shorter game
>>4072190>FIREGRAVE FIREGRAVE FIREGRAVEalways the same strawman people expected her to be the berdly of ch3 alongside whatever cop would show up and be part of the gameshow shenanigans, that's it
>>4072196So what if she didn't? The story isn't about her, it's about Kris Susie Ralsei and Noelle. If you want to see Toriel's story go play Undertale.
>>4072179The fandom amped up how important they expected some characters to be because they were Undertale characters. Toby overreacted and kept the role of Undertale characters as tame as possible since ch3.The fandom amped up how important they expected some Darkners to be because they were charming and introduced early. Toby overreacted and made it eminently clear that every Darkner was temporary and replaceable from then.It feels like he overestimated how naturally people would be drawn to the main plot and main characters.
>>4072186I mean they can, side characters don't have to be reoccurring.
>>4072192>Did you forgot how Papyrus disappeared from UT after his fight?you mean the guy who calls you often and is the reason why you can even hang out with undyne which leads into the true lab stuff and later allows the TPE to happen by inviting the characters in the first place?>Napstablookcant ignore blooky due to interfering in the dummy fight, Waterfall hangout, part of mettaton's backstory, mysterious key you can buy incentivizes you to backtrack and enter the house next to napstablook's, not as relevant as papyrus but not fully irrelevant or ignorable.i've yet to see the game force you to acknowledge kris' other classmates and hang out with them
>>4072198>So what if she didn't?We had 3 years of her being part of the ch3 teaser, on the coattails of everything Berdly did and went through. People expected the story to stay in the style it had been in 1/2 just like how people expected UT to stay in the style of the demo, and that was mostly true.>>4072199>make an essemble cast game>make a follow up to said story not even gonna say "sequel" to not piss off the pedantics>start out as another ensemble cast story for 2/7s of the runtime>suddenly shift away from that the second fans paid money for it
>>4072200and yet most media have the side characters appear every now and then, Lancer and Rouxls seemed to be heading in that direction but toby just gave up on them after chapter 3
>>4072202>i've yet to see the game force you to acknowledge kris' other classmates and hang out with themI'm a monster kid fag and I feel so cucked about what was done to him. Baited with one of my favorite little moments from UT only too see him be nothing but a stool for Susie to step on and say how cool she is
>>4072204>People expectedNot Toby's problem. You were never promised anything
>>4072208>why are you mad the thing you paid for is nothing like the free sample and ads you got?
>>4072198i know this might surprise you but i actually like the characters in stupid games and in fact that one of their main appeals so constantly teasing how all these wacky or mysterious characters will be important only to write them off in the laziest ways possible is... infuriating to say the least. doesn't help that the plot has been super aimless due to the refusal to explain anything
>>4072205>Most media side characters appear every now and thenNot every side single character and most of them do not have the sort of relevancy you're thinking of>just gave up on them after chapter 3But they're still here, like they're just chilling in Castle Town and still have jokes applied to them. Like you literally cannot progress unless you interact with Lancer's bullshit on making a dress for Susie.Hell even for Berdly as long as he isn't Snowgraved him calling Noelle in Chapter 4 or him choosing a date in Chapter 5 are mandatory scenes reminding you this character exists
>>4072213the relevance of them simply being around every now and then?>But they're still here, like they're just chilling in Castle Townyou know i mean them being in the dark worlds themselves.
>>4072209Toby Fox is really bad at communicating what's actually inside his games, I'll give you that, but you still set yourself up for things that were never promised to you.>>4072210I don't understand what you want, it sounds like you want the story to be something different altogether to give a bigger role to characters never meant to have bigger roles
>>4072183In what logical would Asgore beat up his own child?
>>4072218could've been something like the brad 'fight' in lisa the joyful
>>4071950>>4071960goomy's art still leaves kris masculine enough where you can imagine its a guy
>>4072217I want an actual RPG that actually sticks to and develops is core gameplay. I want the game to do something with all the lightners it keeps hyping up, i want noelle to be actually interesting in the normal route, and i want a story that doesn't entirely hinge on fucking mystery boxes. is that really so unreasonable?
>>4072221Unless Kris is talking about periods or wearing girl clothes.
>>4072222I don't understand why you haven't left a year ago because Deltarune has made it pretty clear it's about all those things you don't like
>>4072218it could be like the pacifist sans fight from the anniversary stream where he tries to push you off or maybe he battles ralsei solo
>>4072063thats actually like 90% of people on the planet. Its truly pathetic how people's egos enslave them to such a point where they must put others, who they perceive as beneath them, down in order to satiate it.
>>4072218Something that's similar to Gerson's fightAsgore wants to protect Kris from the Knight, and he doesn't think Kris is powerful enough, so Asgore will challenge Kris for a duel This would be a nice callback to Undertale's Toriel fight
>>4072215>the relevance of them simply being around every now and then?again, they still are here. I already gave you examples of mandatory scenes of said characters being around every now and then. Even Tenna still gets to be a part of scenes and have his own moments in Castle Town when he could've just been written out entirely and lessen the load.>being in the dark worlds themselves.Why would they need to be in every single dark world constantly doing something? At that point you might as well be part of the main cast. You can't really measure relevancy like this either, otherwise you're saying Star Walker is a more relevant character than Noelle.
personally i was expecting asgore to at least have SOMEKIND of notable scene with ralsei with flowery going on about asgore can't see ralsei hatless and chapter being about ralsei fully becoming his own person but nah
>>4072238>Noelle didn't meet Ralsei or made a comment about his resemblance to Asriel>same thing didn't happen to Asgore tooIt's like Toby goes out of his way to avoid making any sort interesting interactions that doesn't involve Kris or Susie
>heh, you want me to open the door and expose the Knight's lightworld identity?>*just turns the doorknob and does nothing else*>GET FUCKED, FAGGOT>U MAD? LOL>YOU THINK YOU CAN CONTROL ME? WRONG!>...>y-you want me drown in the lake with my psychotic childhood crush so we can either die or later on re-enact a Columbine on Hometown?! Foiling all my plans and efforts, along with shattering my promise to Dess?!>YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOO- I mean, i-it's not like I could ever disobey YOU, my superior master!>LONG LIVE THE CHARA ADMINISTRATIONWhat the FUCK is wrong with this little faggot?
>>4072145the current vessel is working against the player and treats us like dirtsusie is an idiot who only cares about her enjoyment and is a hypocrite ralsei is okay but isn't following orders like he shouldall the other lightners are just set dressing and Berdly is pushed to the side by the story itself even though he's the only fleshed out lightner aside from Noelle and the Noelle route is the naughty one that a majority of the fanbase despisesnot to mention suselle is even worse than I thought it would be
>>4072243noelle did 'meet' ralsei, but toby explained it away as her being too overwhelmed to comment on him
>>4072243Noelle mentions Ralsei looking like Asriel in Chapter 4, but that's it.
>>4072252in chapter 2 you mean, but yes it was a huge missed opportunity and I doubt anything will come out of it and the reason why ralsei looks like asriel will probably not be anything special in the end
>>4072238I'm seriously puzzled as to why was that set up the whole chapter as something important when it was a whole bunch of nothing
>>4072245Kris is enjoying it but is unable to accept it, so they blame the SOUL to avoid feeling guilty
>>4072234I like this idea. Would also mirror his Undertale fight a bit where he doesn't want to fight but he feels he has to
>>4072257sorry, can't have any plot progression on the mandated fun adventure chapter*raughs*
>>4072243Asgore brings it up but then says how >The longer you look, the harder it is to tell if they're a monster at all.Which, sure? Asgore should be able to recognize his own son, whatever. but then Flowery and Ralsei were stressing over nothing. Weirdly enough Ralsei puts the hat back on when Asgore reconciles with Kris but then takes it off when they go to seal the fountain.
>>4072253He's Asriel's cum sock
>>4072253No, in 4 during the closet scene. She mentions there was a guy like Asriel in her dream.
>>4072269I'll be honest I think I completely blocked out the closet scene from my mind because I only remembered the part in chapter 2 where you can spy on susie and ralsei hanging out
>>4072210>doesn't help that the plot has been super aimless due to the refusal to explain anythingI didn't actually think too much about that until you said it.Deltarune after ch2 had to possible paths to pick:>Fun episodic adventures and then an ending to wrap everything up in the last one or two chapters >No bullshittint, lock in into the main plot and character development for the remaining chapters And we didn't get either. We got three chapters of beating around the bush with vagueposting and meandering which are also too cool to have fun darkners bullshit as a focus, WAITING for Le Ending that will blow our meta socks out.
>>4072275You didn't like the game and that's fine
>>4072265The most hack thing Toby has done so far, is literally saying that there are things that matter more than reaching the end, but at the same time, he's refusing to explain or address many important plot points in the game and saving it for chapter 7, AKA reaching the end.That's the one thing Toby has failed as a writer.
>>4072217>never promised to you.Two fucking sevenths of this game had a focus on a very specific kind of gameplay and story telling. The two chapters used to promote the paid game.No one is unreasonable for expecting to get more of what was advertised to them.It's as if Toby Fox never actually wanted to give UT fans what they wanted and just baited them for their money so he could fund his mediocre vanity project.And I kinda get him. If he released a game like these middle chapters and without the goodwill from UT and 1/2, it wouldn't get a tenth of the attention UT ever got.
>>4072266Looking back at it I dunno if Ralsei was meant to still have the hat on or what
>>4072245>What the FUCK is wrong with this little faggot?Tsundere, he acts like he hates it but he's enjoying every step and hasn't done anything to stop you, compared to when he simply shuts up/bites his hand/disobeys your commands like the door knob thing
>>4072218Weird route yada yada Asgore sees Kris struggling with the soul and wants to exorcize his son
>>4072280he clearly wants everyone to care more about the characters and their relationships while simultaneously cucking kris, making noelle useless, having susie be too stupid to ask any questions, and setting up everyone's relationships to burn to the ground it's an extremely odd move, considering that this can really only be fixed in ch7 at this point, thus making the end the most important part of the gamethere's a reason why people expected ch5 to be the meltdown chapter with ch6 picking up the pieces for ch7, not whatever the fuck toby is going to try and pull in ch7 alone
>>4072257The Ralsei/Asriel parallels as a whole are puzzling to what the point has even been.All the shit around the anagram name and Ralsei looking and acting almost exactly like how fans imagined Asriel, only for them to characters say "oh they aren't actually that similar".So why was all that a thing at all? It's just to be used as a dunk on people who dared to not move on from Asriel?
>>4072293it's something related to the ending so it won't be explained until chapter 7
>>4072279It would have been much easier to move on if the game didn't go out of its way to clown on people like me who wanted something actually good out of this.Now I want this shit to fail out of spite.
>>4072293It's meant to show like the flowers, who were pretending to be humans but didn't quite get a proper appearance of humans, Ralsei took the form of Kris' brother but didn't quite get it right too. So as far as we know, Ralsei is *something* that chose to look like Asriel for reasons yet to be explained
>>4072288i guess toby wanted to pull off some kind of "ha! im making the characters you love super insufferable and annoyingly shitty, do you still love them?" sort of thing before making us like them again but failed to realize that having us wait for years while still feeling annoyed about their behavior will only set the general sour opinion of them in stone before we go back to having likeable moments again, thats simply how it goes, a plot where susie and noelle push kris away before they realize that kris is suffering and try to mend things would work in theory if we didn't have to spend multiple months/years thinking "wow, they were really shitty for doing this to them"
Am I the only one who thinks chapter 7 won't be the end of the game? I'm not saying there will be more chapters, but that there will be some fuckery after the end that could allow us to alter some things and change the ending. Like, remember Undertale? I bet Toby will surprise us somehow, like for example Noelle using her ice powers to literally freeze the game at the end and then force us to close and reset it, except now Noelle and Kris remember everything. I know I'm throwing out nonsense, but I have hope.
>>4072293Like a lot of things it's probably something to be clarified later. There'd be no point to having the similarities otherwise
>>4072295Spite is a complete waste of time. Your loss.
>>4072301nta but it is not
>>4072296>reasons yet to be explainedThat's what I meant with dunk.Gaster or whatever made him look like that to bait UT fans into playing.
>>4072302just sitting around seething about it does nothing for you or anyone
>>4072301>>4072302Watching his faggots fans on Twitter finally turn on him will be cathartic. The most deserved reckoning after the bullshit I was tricked into caring for.
>>4072305ever heard of tortanic?
>>4072299I've seen some people theorizing the ending will be open ended but the game will give you a level editor or something so YOU can make your own ending
>>4072299>having to replay every tenna and mantle board again for the true ending oh god please no
>>4072298people like seeing their favourite characters in harrowing situations they usually don't like seeing them being annoying assholes, unless that's an established part of their character susie was the favourite since the beginning, and now she's the least liked of the main four after her showing in ch5toby fucked up
>>4072307not like this is on the same level anyway
>>4072307Yes /v/incels have been waiting for a new tortanic ever since so any game that has personally frustrated you becomes your new obsession to see it sink
>>4072309Oh calm down Anon you know you love TV
>>4072288>people expected ch5 to be the meltdown chapter with ch6 picking up the pieces for ch7The tragic thing about fans who played safe by speculating based on how the previous chapters played out: there is always a curve ball.From Spade Queen, to Mike secret boss and John Bishop, to the Roaring starting during the festival.And now, what is there to expect for 6/7/7b? What else hasn't the game already done for the next curve balls?
>>4071893>What kind of controversy would it take to turn Toby Fox into the next JK Rowling?nothing really, jk rowling was beloved by normalfags and surface level nerdstoby fox's main core audience is insane tumblr shippers and homestuck boomers who will just call it 'safe hornyalso USAID is over so there's not really a financial incentive for this shit + normalfags are experience EXTREME lgbtqnigger fatigue.>>4071919>I always thought of you as more of a... Big sister, faha!it's fucking inevitable
>>4072313I mean, GTA6 will probably be that also>/v/incelsI know what you are
>>4071938>twitter screencap of a discord screencap of some neon freaksan image slot had to die for this rubbish
>>4072305spite is a motivator that drives people to move forward, if we didnt have that, people wouldnt feel many reasons to go on
>>4072324spite by itself means nothing if you don't have any passion to go with it.
Besides the random remarks about 2 not being as good as 1 or complaints about the music trio or shipping, was 2021-2024 discussion ever like this?
>>4072328i remember the kris knighters were pretty annoying
>>4072329Annoying how? And were they saying anything about the game going to shit or not?
>>4072329dess knighters aren't very different in that regard.hm... kris knighters and dess knighters... ironic in a funny way
>>4072319>GTA6Anon i also wish that was the case but that game is too popular with normies to fail
>>4072164>chapter 5 is loved basically everywhere>no actually the entire fandom is pessimistic because like two autists here curse Toby for not making the game they want
>>4072333>too popular with normies to failWhy do you think TORtanic is called that?Sure it will sell a ton on release, but the critical reception and long term sales and online isn't in a safe spot.
>>4072307A successful MMO people made fun of for being buggy for like a month?
>>4072334I thought that but then I started noticing the arguments when looking into TwitterVagueposting King didn't come from here as well.
>>4072338Calling out vagueposting is hardly what I'd call real pessimism. Some people can't accept that some things aren't revealed for a reason but constant crying about it seems less prevalent everywhere else.
>>4072285my theory is that the ralsei we have in chapter 5 is a fake raseli and the real ralsei is asgore(asgore knows you can read his thoughts)
>>4072299twistedswd/aborted wr route is my sole remaining cope it's implied the two main routes in dr won't be that good, so perhaps we'll have to find something in the middle for the.. least worst ending. itd be a subversion from ut where the best ending is gotten by following one extreme (true pacifist)
>>4072339>some things aren't revealed for a reasonHow bad things have to go until you give up on white knighting Toby?
>>4072343And I caught one immediately. Only here you have niggers like this. Can't really judge the whole fandom based on schizo retards jumping at everyone.
>>4072308Imagine if you'd be able to pick scenes to replay and also which character plays which role in them. Get your favorite ship their own lake scene or play with whoever you want in your party. Now that's what I'd call MY DELTARUNE.
>>4072349but what is Gaster's DELTARUNE?
>>4072341The only thing that makes me think the twisted route might be real is that's there's 3 savefiles. Why 3? I don't get it. I do not think we'll have a twisted sword route though, the chances are slim.
>>4072085the people that actually played the game and yagi will epic lolthe jannies and mods will get epic trolled
>>4072350The one where you break the prophesy by doing every route and bringing things from them into other routes. The one thing every possible outcome has is that (you) cause it, you exist beyond saves, you can remember things from every timeline. Maybe his Deltarune will be you imposing choices that are impossible on it.
>>4072350this
>>4072352>deltarune ends>we go back to the original green save file menu>only 1/3 are filled>we now have nine save filesmaybe thats why you get marked with the weird route 'permanently', it's not some scarlet letter to ruin your game but rather opens up the new game+ route. i know it sounds like cope but it would make a lot of sense to me if that's where deltarune is heading. 7 chapters, multiple playthroughs.
>>4072345For hell's sake, go to reddit if you want people mindlessly praising anything Toby does.Let people have one place they can criticize and discuss what is going wrong with Deltarune.
>>4072356This makes sense if at least one of the routes (most likely WR) is supposed to end in ruin but give you "a key" to make other playthroughs different.
>>4072356>furry niergoddammit toby
>>4072356>toby>ever changing the menuslol, lmao
>>4072356Toby would sooner make it you have to access your additional save files through a new NPC in an inconspicuous room in Chapter 1 who only appears after X global flag is set than simply modify the menu to include another page of options or scroll further down.
>>4072358>I'm just criticizing and discussing things!>But I also immediately feel called out by someone saying there are deranged schizos here crying 24/7!Interesting self-report, I'll keep that in mind.
>>4072366It's been one year and you still flip if anyone has the slightest negative thing to say about the game
>>4072356Honestly I have to agree with >>4072365The whole thing with adding the feature to turn Flowery's voice on in such a strange way makes me think that Toby does not want to touch the current UI at all no matter what, so suddenly expanding the save slots is not something I can see happening.
>>4072355Can't wait to shatter this fucking nigger across time and space
>>4072365yeah i can actually see that happening (would still be kino tho imhotbqh)
>>4072365It's funny but still oddWhat do you mean I have to die to put back on voice clips?What do you mean I have to DIE to put on HARD MODE for the boss???
>>4072370he's just curious man away from his home. he dindu nuffin.
ch6 battle theme just leakedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNmhbJODpeI
>>4072373He made me have to sit through all that fucking suselle slop. He dindu nuffin my ass, he's been fucking with me since day one. And don't try to bring up that fucking survey program agreement, he can take it and shove it up his ass, I will make him pay, and he can't stop me.
>>4072376for what damn reason would sans' father be so into teenage lesbians?
>>4072379groomster theory
>>4072379I don't know and I do not think I would like any of the possible answers. Maybe we don't need to know everything about Gaster.
>>4072375If he switches back to From Now On I WILL riot
>>4072383>from now on>does not play from now onhe does not get enough flak for this, what is even the point of ripping off little town hero anymore?
>>4072385>haha those people saying 4 and 5 were switched around are completely crazy haha
>>4072381>The truth is. . . Gaster wasn't really the greatest person.on a more serious note I really wonder how Toby will handle him when the time comes. I trust the dog but I dunno if Big G specifically will live up to the hype. Will we actually meet him face to face at all? The dude has more than a decade of speculation. That's crazy. We don't even know if the way he has been drawn all these years is what he actually looks like.
>>4072386They are but that's besides the point.He should've stuck to Rude Buster anyways cause it's better than the rest
>>4072387he'll be a collection of gifs of toby in a gaster cosplay
>>4072388rude buster's great and all but it was getting kinda stale by ch3, which is probably why he shook things up a bit with ruder and vapor busterch5 was a step back by having rude buster: japan as the main battle theme
>>4072387He's gonna show up, be severely disappointing, but also singlehandedly kill over 10 years of Gaster fan content because fandom refuses to take the message of "go forth, make your own bullshit" and instead cling to canon-compliance as hard as possible because the very concept of being "wrong" is a social death penalty nowadays.
>>4072390sure but Chapter 3 still had Rude Buster as it's regular battle theme so it wasn't even really a shake up, just more Rude Buster on top of my Rude Buster
>>4072385it would be kind of weird to have what's essentially "Dark Sanctuary: The Battle Theme" play outside of dark sanctuary
>>4072387I really doubt we'll meet him as an actual character. There is nothing for us to see that we don't already know. The only way I see it happening is to show us something we never even knew we didn't know about him.
>>4072399what i want a response of is why didnt gaster give us the good version of deltarune where we chill on our vessel and have noelle as the second hero and also get to choose between killing shit with fireshock or iceshock or simply sparing enemies or even simply getting the choice to join the bad guys like berdly and queen, instead of playing a super railroaded version of the game with super NTR yuri and lack of choices overall
>>4072406why didn't gaster suck me off in a subway parking lot
>>4072412he's not toriel
>>4072014After all the retcons he did like the rose or the aborted ch5 noelle portrait you think this is surprising?
>>4072388>from now on not being actually from now on>jarring tonal shift reverting to the earlier chapters>main plot grinding to a halt>no one addressing the shit that happened the previous day>church day is traditionally the sunday>last shadow crystal coming from mew mewyup
>>4072014he is afraid about fan reactions, but his actions are more about trying to manipulate his fans into playing along rather than actual crowd pleasing
>>4072423>or the aborted ch5 noelle portrait where he shuffled the actual different portrait?
>>4072426his actions are politely telling everyone to suck his dick and balls from the back if their fan theories don't end up aligning with the actual work
>>4072425>Susie went from being worried about Knight kidnapping Toriel because she wanted to live it up in Kris's house and basically get adopted by Toriel in Chapter 4>to not even being worried about the possibility of Knight kidnapping Noelle given she doesn't know Knight's motives and knows the shelter has a link to the Holidays (the pine tree symbol) even though Noelle is literally her girlfriend now in Chapter 5It's actually fucking nuts how much it both does and doesn't feel like the chapters got switched around.
I have come to terms with Deltarune threads getting deleted on /v/, but why the fuck did the Best of /v/ thread just get deleted? I was actually having fun on that board for once reading that -.-What the fuck happened to this website?
>>4072431this is the deltarune thread not the 4chan meta thread
>>4072429i think the switch would've happened some time in between 2022 - 2023/4 when toby said that they were cutting ch5 from the next release more than enough time to swap everything around and keep it 'consistent', but the bones of the chapters inevitably show that something's offit's funny, if toby wasn't so adamant on ch5 being the nothing ever happens & vaguepost chapter i don't think this would even be considered
>>4072431Too much organic traffic taking away from astroturfed threads making those astroturfing campaigns look bad, which could disincentivize advertisers from paying to have board space in the future.PLEASE understand.
>>4072427I don't believe for a second that the portrait was actually unintended and "wrong".
>>4072425>no one addressing the shit that happened the previous daydon't both Alvin and Alphys bring up the church's condition?alongside the Toriel incident being the reason why Susie avoids her?and of course just, the festival in general?
Between Undertale and Deltarune I wonder if there’s a full list of Toby’s shit code and stuff that had to be fixed
about the chapter 4 & 5 switch theory, explain why? why would toby decide to switch those two around? what would he gain from it? and how was the noelle's house weird run scene gonna happen if noelle was apparently supposed to do the drowning thing in ch4 and skip chapter 4, 5 and 6?
>>4072443I don't think the entire chapters were swapped wholesale, but the dark worlds definitely feel like they wereSpecially since the festival just skips the entire day and goes to night right away, a lot could have happened there in that time
>>4072443it's just a few fags going crazy over a typical jrpg style tonal shiftif you play the game in one go it doesn't stand out at all
>>4072443I think it's just vibes cause people would likely have a similar complaint for UT in parts like going from a chill water fall area while pursued by the captain of the royal guard to gay robot and his anime obsessed loser friend making you play minigames for a bit
All things considered it's pretty disappointing how limited the Vessel options areThe hair styles are all samey, you're getting pants no matter what, no option for shorts/skirts/dresses. You can't make anything actually uniqueI feel like he just didn't give many options back before he formed his team in 2018 because he didn't want to have to make a lot of variations but come on, if anything should have decent customization it should be our vessel
>>4071072>Also he's gay, which should be a red flagMost characters in the game with conformed or implied relationships are gay, so that changes nothing.Also Flowery is trans since he produces seeds, something only female or hermaphrodite flowers do.
>>4072447they're supposed to be sameyyou're making a kris knockoff
>>4072447toby didn't pander the fans as much back then, if he made the vessel creator today, you just know that he'd add skirts and options for choosing the vessel's pronouns
>>4072443>about the chapter 4 & 5 switch theory, explain why? why would toby decide to switch those two around?because 3+4 were completed a lot earlier than chapter 5 while featuring multiple collabs which means there is a few possible scenarios: (A.) toby couldn't make the content fast enough and had to call some friends in or (B.) the collabs were the thing holding up the chapter's completion and toby didn't want to fully abandon the content/pressure people who were collabing with him.>what would he gain from it?he was able to sell the game he had directly been working on for over 7 years before any last remaining IP value fromundertale/chapters 1+2 had faded away>and how was the noelle's house weird run scene gonna happen if noelle was apparently supposed to do the drowning thing in ch4 and skip chapter 4, 5 and 6?you mean the weird run route of chapter 5 that is 100% dialogue and could easily be written into the existing chapter 4's? having a chapter 5 focused on the prophecy and making that be the chapter that gets skipped makes way more sense to what the weird route is being themed around. "flower man trapped in asylum" goes a lot better too instead of foreshadowing a non-existent flowey appearance and asgore boss fight we never got.
>>4072443Weird route would have been presumably swapped, but there are other things that don’t make sense. Asgore being heavily foreshadowed in Ch4 and his connection to dark worlds would make no sense after him being major part of different dark world day earlier.
>>4072459the prophecy and dark worlds are 2 different plot points altogether since you have lightners with 0 dark world relation directly involved with it, or cases like berdly who are related to dark worlds but have no existence in the prophecy.
>>4072439>bring up the church's condition?And shrug it, which is completely absurd.>the Toriel incident being the reason why Susie avoids herThe sort of thing that can somewhat easily be shifted around>and of course just, the festival in general?could have happened in the saturday instead>>4072443my idea is:At some point between 2018 and 2022, Toby was outlining the story and placed the festival/flower shop as ch4 and the church as ch5. At some point he felt that having 3 downer chapters back to back at the end would be too much, and moved them around so that some important things would be addressed earlier in the church and the flower shop would serve as a comic relief before going back to the darker stuff.Several things got rewritten to accommodate that, but some less important stuff fell through the cracks.
>>4072447we don't really even know what exactly the vessel's purpose in the game is yet nor have we seen any trace of it. depending on what it does the excessive customization is probably unnecessary, especially with those weird options like blood type "D" or pain being "food". its all very weird
>>4072445>if you play the game in one go it doesn't stand out at allGoing from the Titan and Susie smearing blood on Ralsei's face to the Suselle date and Flowery is even more jarring when you play those back to back.
>>4072464But Asgore is implied to know about the dark world in Ch4 and also posses black shard. If he appeared in the dark world before this foreshadow then it wouldn’t make any sense and also take away lot from his character.
>>4072467>Suselle dateNot really cause you wouldn't spend a year trying to delude yourself that maybe there's still a chance to get into Susie or Noelle's pants. Like some people here quite literally forgot Noelle invited Susie to the festival and she accepted in the previous chapter.
>>4072468and it didn't matter in the slightest everything involving asgore knowing about the dark worlds amounted to fuck all because we get no new info outside of the knight being around before, which doesn't matter because nobody careshis little thing in the holiday house was entirely just bait to make you think asgore was important, but surprise! he's not
>>4072471Shut the fuck up.For the thousand time, this is a tonal issue.Susie saw Undyne get captured by a cryptid and Toriel almost get captured, defeated a Titan and got her soul crushed by the final prophecy, then went on to wacky date shenanigans like nothing had happened the day before.
>>4072447i don't wanna play as this gormless meatbag chud. i came to deltarune to complete the FUCKING mission.kill everybody reunite kris (male) and noelleand make them taste that sweet, succulent [Freedom Sauce]
>>4072471It's not the fact the date is happening at all, it's the total dissonance of "wow, Susie isn't worried about a thing aside from looking good for her date!" despite the fact that>Knight is ACTIVELY KIDNAPPING PEOPLE who have a connection to the symbols on the shelter door>one of those symbols is a PINE TREE, ergo, the HOLIDAYS, ergo, NOELLE>Susie doesn't know Knight's motives or targets, so it would be entirely reasonable for her to think "holy shit Knight could kidnap my maybe girlfriend. dear god this is fucked up. I gotta protect her with all my heart and might" and spend the date half-dicking around, half-waryBut alas, actually worrying about Knight kidnapping Noelle would've made her too headstrong about the fact Kris is covering up why Noelle left followed up by Flower Kingdom, so the traitor reveal would've happened in Chapter 5 instead of Chapter 7, and Toby can't have THAT happening. Thus, she must be an utter fucking retard without a care in the world aside from Noelle's heartbeat.
>>4072474>Susie saw Undyne get captured by a cryptid and Toriel almost get captured,And then she started eating pancakes comfortably with Toriel and drinking punch at the church like nothing happened. Alongside telling Kris to look for the code while she did wacky Suselle shenanigans around Holiday house. She didn't take seriously back in Chapter 4 either>defeated a Titan and got her soul crushed by the final prophecyIf her soul got crushed she wouldn't be telling Ralsei "just laugh it off cause we wouldn't let it happen anyway." Even Ralsei pointed out she still has hope and that it was naive.You are imagining a more serious version of a chapter you played
>>4072477now that i think about it, shouldn't susie be really paranoid that noelle just fucked off right after she left? you'd think she'd be freaking out that the knight is going to nab her considering what happened the day prior
>>4072467Maybe if Titan creation was implied in Ch5 it would make it not seem that way. What is more jarring is the fact that Ch5 has very little lore or story outside of flowers telling Ralsei he is a hippocrite and explaining plants to be lighteners with darkener traits (which should have happened in earlier chapters since in every the TV world there are plants in the room, also Asgore has shop full of plants instead of just the 7 soul themed ones). Also Pink feels very out of place, being not foreshadowed at all or given any reason to be secret boss, and Ralsei even mocking this aspect about her. Or maybe it was just Gerson and Spamton that had big involvement before, Jevil is also just a guy with no relation to almost anything and no real motivations, and Eram itself is probably foreshadow to Ch7 bs.
>>4072468>But Asgore is implied to know about the dark world in Ch4 and also posses black shardinformation that could have been revealed in a chapter 4 that takes place at the festival, and would feel significantly less forced.>take away lot from his character.the foreshadowing of asgore in the prophecy did absolutely nothing to the plot outside of making people hyped up for a secret boss asgore that never arrived. knowing about dark worlds != knowing about the true prophecy.
>>4072478>susie didn't take it seriously in ch4but she does? at church she mentions they need to start figuring out where the codes are and that they need to rescue undyne, until noelle walks up and asks if they want to go back to her placehell, the whole reason for her jumping head first into the church is because she's worried that toriel's in there with the knight
>>4072480At least Jevil got a few retroactive pity points, people were near-about ready to give up on the significance of "hell's roar bubbling from the depths" since it was the only foreshadow that hadn't yet amounted to anything, but then WR5 finally made it come to light.
>>4072479especially when the dark world was opened right after noelle disappeared, so logically the thought of "shit the knight just captured noelle" would at least cross her brain
>>4072478>eating pancakes comfortably with Toriel and drinking punch at the churchThat was already weird, but she also TRIED to give a shit by discussing a plan with Kris and collecting clues and outright telling him she was distracting Noelle. Ch5 had to be reminded by Ralsei to move on from the hot spring and go close the fountain. She cared more about closing the TV World fountain, which had no apparent major threat from her POV, than the flower shop fountain after things started going south really fast.>Even Ralsei pointed out she still has hope and that it was naive.With blood in his face and then breaking down crying.
>>4072483>"hell's roar bubbling from the depths"crazy how the obscure theory of "Dess died by drowning" that came from that line was somewhat vindicated this much later
>>4072478>>4072482>susie chapter 4: opens a dark fountain because she thinks toriel is about to get fucking murdered, smashes a prophecy panel with her fist and wipes the blood on ralsei's cheek>susie chapter 5: "kris jump on the platform 3 more times its like so epic and funny haha (chorus x100) GOSH i love our wacky adventures!"this goes a bit beyond tone
>>4072482>at church she mentions they need to start figuring out where the codes are and that they need to rescue undyneAnd what does she do? Start drinking punch, very serious. Really taking matters into her own hands there, huh.>until noelle walks up and asks if they want to go back to her placeSusie walks up to her. Off the information YOU GAVE HER>hell, the whole reason for her jumping head first into the church is because she's worried that toriel's in there with the knightDude don't say that. You can very easily say that for Chapter 5's dark world where she hopped in despite seeing no sign of Kris to save his dad before anything happens
>>4072478>And then she started eating pancakes comfortably with Toriel and drinking punch at the church like nothing happenedyou mean how she's been putting on an act in front of toriel, like pretending to call her parents on the phone? or when she was being polite and quiet at church so kris could dig for more info about what the fuck is going in town?
>>4072457>max headroom spamtonThe more the game goes on, the less sense it makes for Spamton to be in ch2. His gimmick is plagiarizing a bunch of other characters, but that doesn't make any sense if you don't know these characters yet. Would have fit better as the chapter 3 secret boss.>>4072480Deltarune's weak point is simply being profoundly poorly paced.2 should not have frontloaded the weird route that hard, 3 should have been the laid back filler chapter instead of 5, 4 and 5 should be swapped around, and who knows what the fuck will 6 and 7 and 7b do.
>>4072489>And what does she do? Start drinking punch, very serious.I'll repeat it to you: 4 had problems, A lot of problems. We spent a whole year arguing about that.But the matter is, in terms of tone and pacing, 5 is simply that much worse.
>>4072493Ch5 being after Ch4 makes also sense in gameplay, since Ch4 introduced climbing and Ch5 had platforming section.
>>4072496I think those gimmicks and the minigame are all a huge mistake of their own, but the chapters would have been fine, if not maybe even better with the gimmicks swapped around
So how is Susie gonna tell Noelle haha you're still in a dream snake eater whenever they go to castle town with her? I just noticed in Chapter 2 Susie lies to her about it.
>>4072500>So how is Susie gonna tell Noelle haha you're still in a dream snake eater whenever they go to castle town with her?she's gonna fucking fumble and we will witness the least physically abusive lesbian relationship take place as noelle goes full genocide route on castle town
>>4072502I wish (but I don't think it will be) aborted route makes Noelle a boss and normal route makes Ralsei a boss
Did anyone else just not give a single shit about the flowers by the end?
>>4072508Mostly? I only thought of aqua, the rest just don't register. They seem like fanfiction to me
>>4072500i think kris is going straight to the hospital in between 5 and 6 to 1) be there for rudy on his death bed and 2) fess up to noelle about dark worlds and shit i really don't think that noelle is going to enter castle town, especially not with susie sugar coating it
>>4072505i always assumed it was gonna be a ralsei VS noelle fight because of snowdin/hotland in undertale.
>>4072513>Aqua over GreenCoomer filth.
>>4072508i liked green and orange a lot because they were funny
>>4072517Green just looks to me like a 70s cartoon monster character, only thing appealing about that character really
>>4072475Reunite Kris (female) and Noelle (Futa)
Chapter 5 is the cope Chapter for everyone involved. It's Susie pretending she didn't see the last prophecy or Kris making the Flower King dark fountain because she would rather keep the adventures going than face the harsh reality that everything is fucked up.
>>4072508I haven't really given a shit about anyone ever since Ralsei made it clear they're disposable
>>4072524>Kris making the Flower King dark fountain because she would rather keep the adventures going than face the harsh reality that everything is fucked upyeah kris opened up a fountain that basically gave susie a free shelter code cause it was a fun and silly idea at the time. nothing to do with the knight abducting asgore, just wacky hijynx.
>>4072521anon please have mercy on her
>>4072526Kris made the fountain to set up Asgore's kidnapping, Susie very likely discovered Kris made it but ignored it.
>>4072526Anon he meant that in reference to Susie seeing it. Cause she knows Kris was back there but didn't push the issue
Do you think Toby or some modders will remaster Ch1? The castle interior looks awful.
>>4072531oh my mistake i misread it then, ill keep my post up out of fairness and apologize.
>>4072533noand imo the castle feels the most intentional out of anything in the chapter, it's a very nice contrast to the rest of the chapteronly flaw is the song, which is pretty whatever
>>4072508Not to say fans should always have the exact same opinion, but Toby is sure shattering his fanbase. One can love the flowers and someone else might think they're a complete waste of time.Being this much inconsistent with Deltarune is gonna be a huge mistake in the long run.
>>4072524It's funny how all the main themes and lore of DR has to be interpreted from implied shit because nothing that actually matters in the story can take center stage until ch7
>>4072535It’s just dark outlines.
>>4072539tony truly is a master of storytelling
>>4072524chapter 5 is the cope chapter for toby pretending this whole thing is just a silly little personal project because he would rather keep wasting time on bullshit than face the harsh reality that people have 10+ years of expectations over deltarune
>>4072541and it looks unlike anywhere else in the gameit's simplicity is what makes it memorable
>>4072539>we knew the overall direction and goal of undertale in 2013>we knew most of all important non-meta non-asriel lore by waterfallwhat the fuck happened since then?
Flowery told Susie the whole plot but we won't learn this until the end when Ralsei reveals the plot that he also always knew
>>4072547But that means everyone's up to speed except for ME!
>>4072546Unironically tobaño felt like he needed to subvert... *checks notes* literally everything regarding storytelling and gameplay for no good reason.
>Ralsei knows about the weird route to some extent>he tries to keep things on track as much as possible>but Ralsei was completely oblivious to what was going on in the S Rank roomWould this mean Eram is a complete curve ball to everything in Deltarune?
>>4072548Haha... The plot had to hold back and not go all out...
>>4072549We know Toby had a thing for playing with the medium since he got into Homestuck, which is a shame because he can be a very good traditional genre writer when he feels like it
>>4072546We knew about the 7 human souls only after meeting Asgore. Also effectively third of the game is just gay robot doing a show and most of the game is you walking through empty rooms with occasional combat encounters. Waterfalls are halfway through the game and everything afterwards is just game show and Asgore New Home.
>>4072524if that was true then it should have been shown in at least ONE (1) singular scene, that's all. otherwise it's just bad writing, which is why these debates happen
>>4072554the thing with undertale is that it's pacing flaws can be excused by it being toby's first actual game with deltarune, he's done extensive planning for it and claims to have had the whole story mapped out in 2020, with a rough draft of it in 2016but we still have the fucked pacing and backlogged story
>>4072554>We knew about the 7 human souls only after meeting Asgore.Undyne spills it out way before that point.>everything afterwards is just game show and Asgore New Home.Hotland is only a gameshow when Mettaton is on screen. Otherwise it's just basic puzzles and enemies with a volcanic/industrial aesthetic.
>>4072556>the thing with undertale is that it's pacing flaws can be excused by it being toby's first actual gameAnd a way shorter experience, which works to its favor.
>>4072543That would be true if he didn’t have this whole thing planned from the beginning. The end of the game was written down as the first thing and then he just started going backwards. If anything Ch6 will probably be the worst one.
>>4072556>it's pacing flaws can be excused by it being toby's first actual gameAnd despite that, Undertale was surprisingly tight with the writing. Guess it was the fluke of the century.
>>4072555i mean the latter was scene so it does have some merit at least>huh? there's a back door? Why didn't you say so earlier dumbass?>Hey Kris, wait! You think... Whoever made the Dark Fountain...>Probably used the back door, right?>you...>were kind of back there earlier, right?>You didn't... see anyone, did you?>Duh, you didn't. Heh.>Otherwise you woulda said already, right?Ralsei already said he didn't feel the Knight's presence beforehand so unless she thought Asgore made it there's really no other option
>>4072524This >>4072555Susie should've been unstable. She's the calmest she's ever been when really she should've been lashing out whenever things go wrong. The Festival and Dark World should've come across like an alcoholic trying to drink their sorrows away, getting super into everything because she's desperately trying not to think about the world falling apart around her.When the Knight took Asgore, Susie should've lost it because it's a reminder that the final prophecy is coming and rather than trying to do anything about it, she's been trying to pretend like it doesn't exist, which is only making the problem worse. This would also help excuse her lack of desire to actually do anything about the Knight kidnappingsJust have the characters progress ffs. Susie's been quirk chungus since chapter 2 and that'd be fine if it actually went somewhere
>>4072550I think he knows exactly what was going on in there, it's his trees blocking you after all
>>4072546>>4072556It's simple, this ending means so much to him that he became a game dev for it.If he puts in any foreshadowing, any clues, then you might guess the surprise of his life's work ahead of time. So he can't have any of that until the end.He's purposefully leaving out any hints. he thinks he knows what he's doing (even if it comes at the detriment of the game)
>>4072560I don't think he is telling the truth there. Queen was completely revamped from her initial concept. He might have had all those notes for characters and random songs, but not an actual plot outline.>If anything Ch6 will probably be the worst one.Likely the most frustrating with how barren it seems to be with no ongoing side quests, relevant new darkners confirmed to not be present and a single important reveal.
>>4072565The unfortunate part of this scene is that the casual player can easily just assume Susie is being as retarded as she's often shown to be. The way so many scenes can be perceived differently is one of the best and worst aspects of the game being drip-released in chapters over the course of years.
>>4072508flowery fully won me over, as he did with many others i suspect.the rest tho.. yeah i don't really care for them. aqua is cute i guess.
