Are you looking forward to getting your vessel back?
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>>4089199These Deltarune threads are pissing me off.
>>4089199Yes. I can't wait to find out what options I chose for it.
>>4089199After seeing how the last one has no dialogue whatsoever, no. It won't let you do anything because Toby Fox is lazy.
>>4089199yes, keep me away from the fun gang pleasee
>>4089199I'm eagerly waiting for its return to complete the gang. It will return in both versions of 7 btw
>>4089234Can you wait until the 500th post to start doomposting?
>>4089199Only if it lets me KILL people
>>4089199If anyone here is taking requests: https://postimg.cc/GH4g1Bv0
>>4089253You're in luck.
>>4089255You'd have better chances on /utg/ where there are actual drawfags.
>>4089255I don't think we have many drawfags, you have a better chance on /vg/ unironically.
>>4089266>>4089268I've tried there a few times. Sometimes there are, sometimes not.Since this is where the threads are now due to /v/ staff forcing them off board, I figure those same /v/ artists that sometimes lurk there would perhaps lurk here.
This thread made it well past bump limit but was still deleted: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/747211050/
>>4089271No it got archived normally for once.
>>4089269There was an artist that drew Pregnant Kris around here but I haven't seen them since late july/early August.I wonder where they are, they still didnt give me their Twitter account name...
>>4089272Then it shouldn't 404 then>>>/v/747211050
>>4089272It was actually deleted post archive, you couldn't find it in the in-site archive.
>>4089277>so angry they delete threads from the archiveWow
>>4089277imagine sneeding so hard you delete an already archived thread what level of obsessed do you have to be on to do that?
I'm replaying Deltarune from the beginning, and I noticed that at the start when we are creating a vessel we create it from parts: head, torso, and legs. Then I remembered the prophecy:>A cage, with human soul and partsWhat if Kris is not the cage of the prophecy?>The Girl, with hope crossed on her heartWhat if Kris (a non-binary character) is the girl? Kris wields the same sword as the girl, and "hope crossed on her heart" sounds very suspicious, does it refer to the girl having no hope, maybe?>The Prince, alone in deepest darkToriel and Asgore were both Queen and King of the festival once; does that mean Kris is a prince? Alone, overshadowed by their big brother's success and self-loathing?I think Kris is purposely trying to be the three heroes of the legend at once for a reason I don't understand yet. Or maybe they are not trying at all and simply are.
>>4089289>What if Kris is not the cage of the prophecy?
>>4089289>What if Kris (a non-binary character) is the girl?Unless Toby is okay with hiring some bodyguards and never traveling outside of Japan again, this isn't going to happen.
I guess I can understand why you can't attack Flowery even if I don't agree with it but why can't you kill Pink when her guard's low?Toby made the fight as similar as possible to Undertale right down to her normally being invulnerable so why can't you just randomly decide to kill her at the end?Is it because then Susie would get mad at Kris and Ralsei would have to try to calm her down and say Kris had a good reason for it?You know I thought having a party would be cool in Deltarune but it just means Toby can't ever let you do anything
>>4089298>Toby can't ever let you do anythingThat's the whole premise of the game, it's a humiliation ritual for the soul (You).
>>4089298well you gotta remember we aren't exactly playing by Undertale rules. Magic attacks don't "work" against Pink, probably because they're not real, who knows. and unlike last time the Mad Dummy simply states the body is "invincible," no need to keep her guard up this time. Which kind of begs the question what the fuck is Mew Mew made out of to be that durable
>>4089309Mind returning my money and staying away from Dragon Quest before you ruin that too?
>>4089313I think it's because she's fused with a darkner maybe?
>>4089316Why would Toby ruin Dragon Quest I don't get it
>>4089316Me (Toby Fox): Nah lmao
>>4089289I'm glad to see that the "Kris is all three heroes" thing is taking off. The prophesy has to be vague on purpose regarding the heroes considering how very specific it gets in other things, including naming characters directly when it needs to.
>>4089316Nobody here actually BOUGHT this game, right?..
>>4089321Because all games are one big lump of indistinguishable cause and effect. Nothing happens for a reason, everything just is how it is. And once something exists more things might become like it. So Deltarune existing is a threat to Dragon Quest. Those damn subversives are a threat because they can think of ideas that aren't "the hero defeats the seven whozits protecting the sacred whatsits" and that creates the risk of games having stories other than that, which is a direct attack on me and therefore evil.
Reminder that ERAM BROKE Krisellefags.
>>4089313>Which kind of begs the question what the fuck is Mew Mew made out of to be that durableI'm not sure that the materials directly translate to defense in Dark worlds. Otherwise we'd be completely fucked if we encountered a tungsten ball darkner or something like that.
>>4089328I bought it.
>>4089334Well I agree with you but evil has already pretty much won. And I'm too lazy to fight back.
>>4089319I guess, but they separate mid fight just fine so theoretically you shouuuuld be capable of dealing damage, at least against Mew Mew.It's not like the Fun Gang has any qualms with hitting her, but for someone who doesn't wanna fight she can take hit oddly well.
>>4089334It all started when Tolkien refused to stop Frodo from wearing the ring (the one thing he was not supposed to do, his mission). It's only been going downhill since.
>>4089339Yeah I might just be overthinking it there. After all that would include questioning the [Bluelight Specil] or Tenna who despite being "fragile" is still a fuckin CRT
How do Deltarune and Lord of the Rings compare when it comes to vagueposting?
>>4089345>evil is......le badEnough.
WITH OUR POWERS COMBINED.OMEGA ASGORE.
>>4089334there are enough games where you can play as the hero, can we start playing as the victorious bad guy next
>>4089360That's Deltarune 7B!
>>4089360Not deltarune, deltarune doesn't let you be a hero it just has you watch Susie tard her way through the game while it demands you support her.I remind you again, the moment she saw things that you didn't, she is no longer an audience surrogate.
>>4089355the legacy of this fandom will be mourning over things that never left the WAITING roomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCxOm5k1dQM
>>4089355Was too lazy for it in Undertale, deltarune will continue to disappoint
>>4089375What, didn't you love the yet another Mad Dummy fight everyone was begging for?And no, Asgore can't be the main boss either. Of course he wasn't the flower man, that prophecy meant nothing and neither did Ice Wolf calling him that.And of course he doesn't has a fight in the weird route, that's just plain fanservice and would take away the attention from all the cutscenes.And of course he couldn't be the final boss of the genocide route, he is supposed to be a spineless bitch who gets cucked by Sans in every possible way.
>>4089378Well, no. I don't like the mad ghost character. At all. I don't want it to be in the game or at least I want the option to get rid of it and set Mew Mew free.
>>4089378>And of course he doesn't has a fight in the weird routeHe's gonna be in 7B you retarted doomposter.
>years awaiting for a female schizo boss to jank it>mew mewDeltarune gave me a conventionally attractive woman and I feel so disappointed.COME ON I WANTED WHAT THE SPAMTON CUNTS HAD
>>4089355Toby loves fanonGOLD.https://youtu.be/czgP_PENgvg
>>4089382He was supposed to be in ch5. The flowers can't come back.
>>4089384A nigga that lives in the garbage?
>>4089382oh nice, we're gonna get a gray asgore fight several chapters and multiple years after the hype for that died down outside of his own dark worldit will be sure nice when wereramb and that microphone jpeg and undyne and toriel and berdly the unfrostly come to help him become photoshop
>>4089336How so? You mean the big Chapter 3 implication that Noelle dies at the end of the WR / sword route? I'm okay with that. The only thing I want is for Noelle to stop being a coward and realize she loves Kris, then she can die and I would still be satisfied.
>>4089390a BIG SHOT nigga that lives in the garbage
>>4089353Subversion is evil and therefore badToby promotes evil and is Satan
I hate this wait because usually you finish a game, spend a few weeks discussing its strengths and weaknesses, and then move on.But here it has been 8 years, and the trickle-feed release crystallizes all the questionable choices Toby chose for his game ; between abandoned concepts, unfinished ones, and those that end up overbloating it. And that is without mentioning the narrative issues, or even consistency problems. We end up realizing that the longer it takes, the more what Toby has in mind is successfully pulling off his final apotheosis because that is what matters most to him, at the expense of everything else from now on. I think that was already starting to be felt when chapter 4 already seemed to hint at a sort of desire to close out the work.
>>4089396If he promoted that other thing, and demanded you promote it, he is satan.
>>4089394He's washed up pal. Can't even get [BIG] without begging people to smuggle him in.
>>4089384Pink (body) is a regular human female. I won hard.
>>4089397The truth is I don't want to be talking about theories and shit with strangers at all. I think the game would just be better if it was released at once, there'd be less schizos and people would be able to known what they were in for on release.
>>4089405Talking about this kuso game with strangers is the best part of the experience though
>>4089360unironically there aren't enough games like this thoughif there was we wouldn't be bringing up Dragon Quest, a 30 years old seriesand OOT remake wouldn't have so much hype
https://strawpoll.com/X3nkPGp7BgEThanks for the votes. I was curious where everyone was standing currently. I recall early after ch5 more people saying the Hospital and some suggesting we make to it the Shelter early (maybe for a solo section with Kris) with 7 being something out of left field. I'm also currently leaning on it being the Holiday house. I'm curious what the "none of the above" guys had in mind. The only other spot I can think of is Town Hall.
>>4089405>The truth is I don't want to be talking about theories and shit with strangers at allbut you went into the "theories and shit" thread on the strangers board
>>4089393>at the endShe's dying at the start of 7B. She and Kris aren't making through the lake.
>>4089410>I'm curious what the "none of the above" guys had in mind. The only other spot I can think of is Town Hall.That's mine. I wanna know what the other one thinks too.But I remembered something: the spot around the hospital during the festival is really fucking weird. There is a giant target from the dive attraction over the hospital door, and it's right next to Normal NPC and the goner-infected monsters. That shit has to mean something, right?
A reminder that Kris wants to protect Noelle. That's one of his main goals.
>>4089313>The plastic figure is invincible>But the team still manages to beat up a CRT
>>4089418They sure aren't trying hard enough to stop me.
>>4089404And they shoved the mad ghost onto her and your forced to enable the ghost.
So Vessel and Kris swapped souls and are in on the plan together, with NR being Kris doing things his way and WR being Vessel doing things its way?
>>4089421like it was said before don't think about it too literally as somehow spam mail is able to superbuff its own defense
>>4089418Proceed
Imagine if she was saying this to Kris instead, my heart would meltNoelle's so damn cute
>>4089410One thing I'm uncertain is Rudy's involvementI've seen someone says Rudy may let go from hospital to spent time his final moments with his family, or that he may dead and return like GersonThere are hints of him knowing more than he let out/connected to the Roaring Knight
>>4089431Fucking kek at eternally seething Krisellef inserters
>>4089431She's thinking of Kris when saying it dw
>>4089352I've only read the first few chapters of the first LOTR book and it's way more concise than Deltarune has been so far. Gandalf gives out in-depth explanation on how The One Ring works and its history than Ralsei done with darkners and dark world
>>4089431This is getting embarassing.
>>4089435Video games aren't books? I'm shocked.
>>4089410Add a vote to hospital for me as I don't vote in IP stealing polls.
>>4089435LOTR is also better written. It doesn't feel like reading a Tumblr teenager.
>>4089424That's okay, it enhances who she's supposed to be paralleling as the closest thing to a red flower.
>>4089437Deltarune is a text-heavy gameIt's not that odd to compare it to a book>>4089440You don't say, anon
>>4089431I find it funny that she "really, really, really likes" Susie's mask. She hasn't even seen the real Susie yet. Susie wants complete stagnation without any changes.
>>4089444Noelle was the first one to suggest making more fountains and that the Dark World was just better btw.
You can tell 1 and 4 are the best because they get the least discussion
>>4089289If not for the prince thing I could say that in Undertale Frisk could represent all the heroes>Kris, you and little Prince Asriel are royalty too!Asgore definitely calls Kris royalty for a reason, I feel like that's importantI just don't see how Kris could fulfill all three roles by herself, surely they'd have to be separate people right?I'm mostly joking here, but what if this ended with multiple Kris' from different timelines all showing up, pic somewhat related. In Homestuck there is a point where there's three versions of the same character running around from different timelines. One of them pure evil, one of them mostly good, and one of them completely brainwashed>Kris from 7A is the cage>Kris from 7B is the prince>And uh, loli Kris shows up from the past to be the girl. Either that or the Twisted Route gets involved
>>40894464 doesn't get discussion because there is almost nothing there
>>4089442>text-heavy gameIs it? I'd say most of its quotes are quoteable, there's just so many memesIt doesn't even have descriptions, if you compare it to like a VN it's very light
>>4089442Half of DR's script is misspelled on purpose, it's not exactly trying to be Shakespeare.>>4089444Susie's only mask was her mean streak, Noelle likes nice Susie just as much.
>>4089442Deltarune isn't even that text heavy compared to even mainstream RPGs, much less compared to a god damn book.
>>4089445What kind of nonsense are you spouting?
>>4089452t. hasn't played the game
>>4089447>loli Kris shows up from the past to be the girlUoooh ToT
>>4089450>Susie's only mask was her mean streak, Noelle likes nice Susie just as muchAre you fucking retarded? Noelle wants a change in her life and thinks Susie can give it to her. But Susie herself wants everything to stay the same. She’s too deeply immersed in escapism. Susie prefers a fantasy world to reality.
>>4089438You made that post last thread and I already did it.
>>4089454Post screencaps
This is how 7B will end.
>>4089460You first you promised me dick pics
>>4089462>Gaster disappeared without trace>When Flowey takes over Undertale, everyone disappeared without traceHmmmm...
>>4089452Replay Chapter 2 after the end of Giga Queen's fight.
What's this evidence for?
>>4089445So what? They want different things. Noelle wants change, Susie wants things to stay the same. Susie wants to seal off all the dark worlds except one and live only in her beloved Castle Town. Forever.
>>4089431Not really. It's so childish. At this stage of chapter 5, it has to be an "I love you" or its just a joke
>>4089462I assume picrel is about Krusiefags post-5/11
>>4089397>I think that was already starting to be felt when chapter 4 already seemed to hint at a sort of desire to close out the work.I don't know man. If he really wanted to just get done with this, he wouldn't be making all these bespoke gimmicks every chapter or all these inconsequential side things like the castle town Mike stuff.
>>4089451Member when Dq7's Party Chat alone consisted of more pages than the the Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, and the Silmarillion?
>>4089471Only because her real life sucks. If she's helped into a better way of life then she won't need escapism. When you think about it she kind of mirrors Kriselle self inserters.
>>4089441I don't care. I don't like the character. Let Mew Mew be free.If the other ghost did this to Tenna, I swear all of you would be singing a different tune.
>>4089474It's going to be all shipping fags that aren't Krisoul/VesSoul post Chapter 7.
>>4089298You can't even kill her in undertale too, i can see two scenarios1- In normal, Mew will be relevant but only when FRIEND appears2- In weird, following Mantle, because you skip ch5, not only you will fight Asgore, but Pink too because of that singing pink cat
>>4089477>Only>ifSusie literally told Gerson that she didn't want the story to ever end. It's not just because she has a bad life. She genuinely prefers stagnation.>When you think about it she kind of mirrors Kriselle self inserters.Krisellefags are living in your head. What did they do to you? You can't stop seething LMAO
>>4089447>but what if this ended with multiple Kris' from different timelines all showing upmaybe each of your save files has a different Kris
>>4089481I guess if we really fight Omega Asgore then Mew Mew is a oneshot fight like she was back in Geno.
>>4089459Oh cool
>>4089471The point is that both love Dark World escapism.
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>>4089478But Mettaton is going to fuse with Tenna, that's why Toby said he made Tenna look like Mettaton on purpose.
>>4089471audience surrogate my ass
https://files.catbox.moe/l39awd.pngNoelle: If being here can be like this then I don't want to run away anymoreSusie: Then I want to make it like this for you as much as I canMeanwhile in reality when the Dark Worlds inevitably close, Susie will end up becoming nothing, sitting in the rich girl's manor and throwing beer bottles at Noelle's head
>>4089476I don't believe this, especially when half of them is just Maribel berating you for not knowing where to go next. In number of characters, perhaps, but in number of important info per twenty words, I doubt it.
>>4089489>that both love Dark World escapismNope. Noelle wants her sister back. Noelle wants a change in her life. Noelle didn't know that none of this was real. Susie knows, but she ignores it and accepts it as reality.
>>4089487You can kill this cat i think in two hits compared to Asgore so probably, but also the FRIENDlings aggro'd too so who knows, most likely a reference of her secret shop dialogue
>>4089467That's been retconned. It used to be related to "THAT TERRIBLE DAY" but suddenly its been cat bait all along? I don't buy it. Toby changed it because he needed something to happen but didn't want to touch on the tragedy
>>4089494>Meanwhile in reality when the Dark Worlds inevitably close, Susie will end up becoming nothing, sitting in the rich girl's manor and throwing beer bottles at Noelle's headLMAO
>>4089494>Noelle will be throwing beer bottles at Susie's headFTFY.
>>4089491then its just as bad, and i want to get the other ghost away from tenna if it tries thati dont want to be forced to enable Kim Jong Un in waiting
>>4089499who said it had to be one or the other
Has anyone figured out what it would be like if the game fucking sucked?
Would Tenna misgender Kris.
>>4089505I discovered that in june 2025
>>4089499No, THAT TERRIBLE DAY has something to do with the cats is all.
>>4089501people still don't get Noelle would be the wife beater of the couple
>>4089503>Kim Jong Un in waitingwhat fucking Deltarune character is equivalent to the North Korean dictator exactly
>>4089506100%, He's literally the only one that dared to bring Dess in a conversation that isn't Noelle and of course Kris is fine as long it's her
>>4089511Susie doesn't have in it in her to either fight back or abuse her back so she's just stuck with crazy Elly for the rest of her life.
>>4089513>* SPEAKING OF [[Communion]]>* KRIS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE KNIGHT...>* No, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to --
>>4089512Mettaton.
>>4089408OOT remake has hype because tloz is popular and we bring up dragon quest because deltarune discussions, outside of that there are enough games where you can play as the hero
>>4089516I think Susie would eventually snap and break upUnless she is that financially dependent on Noelle, but it's not like they can get a child to be chained together anyway
>>4089519why
>>4089445only because noelle didn't know about the roaring shit
>>4089521>it's not like they can get a child to be chained together anywaywhy do you think theyre still trying to keep kris around
>>4089521>they can get a child to be chained together anywayNoelle would find a way.
>>4089408I think every Zelda since OoT has had you play a fairly uncomplicated heroic protagonist as well, aside from Hyrule Warriors where you can play as basically anyone. The reason OoT is so particularly important is how poorly every 3D game past MM does at building on its strengths.
>>4089517Oh right that one too, well if she was the Knight of course, which as we know it's impossibleBut damn, Kris probably wanted to slice Tenna in half the moment he talked about her
>>4089521>Unless she is that financially dependent on NoelleSusie's a lot of things, but she's not a gold digger. She'd sooner strike out on her own living under a bridge than stay with someone she hates just for cash
>>4089528Besides Seth, what did he have to do to bribe all the flowers to shut the fuck up? They definitely know a lot about Dess through Asgore yapping non stop about that horrbile day when the player isn't around to listen.
>>4089501>>4089511Unawoken, standard route Noelle is passive enough that she'd thank Susie for hurting her
I like how Noelle and Susie are butt-ugly in the game itself
>>4089529that's fair, but losing another home would be hell to her
>>4089522Because he literally does that in the Mettaton ending in Undertale
When all is said and done with deltarune would you rather Toby have a massive ama of some kind where all pretense of mystery is dropped and he just explains anything that's not clear or continue to leave things like >>4089530 unanswered
>>4089535dont want to hear what he has to say anymore, i dont value his opinion
>>4089535toby likely hates the sort of people who'd want this
>>4089536Then you don't want to see the end of Deltarune.
>>4089537yeah i could gather that from chapter 5 im very aware, the question remains
>>4089538i want the game to be given to someone else, and they can finish it instead, and get it over with
>>4089535I just want an art book where he just reveals what his thoughts were behind everything.The one for UTY was revealing, and the surprise was that most of the speculation for behind the scenes stuff from here was straight up wrong, so that would definitely be the case for Deltarune.
>>4089530Kris for sure gave people instructions before making a dark world just like Tenna, in ch3 no one mentions Noelle despise the fact Kris and Noelle were really close, for sure Kris told everyone to not talk about her, only Ramb vagueposts about her
>>4089542>game deliberately making itself less fun by not bringing up noelle and kris togetherthis is is supposed to be fun? shoving the potential for content in my face that you dumped out of spite?
All susellefags should kill themselves.
>>4089535Easy, Asgore somehow managed to vaguepost every day and never mentioned Dess by name to the flowers
>>4089541Undertale and Deltarune are well writen unlike that game, and the art book in Undertale revealed a lot of speculation of that game was right.
>>4089543It's implied that Kris is the one doing the distance, not NoelleThe only way you can get Kris and Noelle content is by intentionally choosing their options like the King and Queen votes
>>4089546tough talk for someone who only knows ~5/8ths of the story
>>4089535Toby already made it clear with the 10th anniversary stream that he likes leaving things unanswered on purpose to inspire fan content, just so he can then completely demolish that fan content some 10 years later with a new game that finally provides answers to those previous unknowns because fandom got too much of a unified picture about those unanswered things.
>>4089543>the game is less fun because I wanted THESE dolls to smack together not THOSE ones
>Kris... I love you. Sorry for being a coward for so long>Kris speaks for the first time>I love Susie. SorryHow mad would you be?
>>4089532thats the reason why toby keeps making noelle's sprites be off-model, he knows that the noelle sprites are fucking ugly but redesigning her would mean going back to ch1&2 to replace her sprites so he does this shit instead
>>4089552The other dolls smacking objectively makes it less fun tho!
>>4089553Ehh expectedKris seems to focus more on Susie in normal route while also keeping Noelle ''safe''
>>4089551toby is gonna demolish Undertale in an act of favoritism towards deltarune only to see that Deltarune isn't remembered as fondly as Undertale, sorta like that chicken and the golden eggs story where the chicken is killed in an attempt to get more golden eggs only to get nothing, that's toby fuck, he'll do it with deltarune, try again with a third game once it fails, then it'll all come crashing down for tobias
>>4089552Yes. Don't make the homo shit mandatory. I don't want to see Berdly act like a cuck, I dont want to see Catti cry, I don't want the castle town to be infected with it the way it has. It's gross.
>>4089549I trust the dog.
>>4089560He's gonna go back on his word that "everyone will be right as you left them" and do something that completely rapes Undertale on a conceptual level.They're "still as you left them", but what that means will be completely changed for the worse.Believe in "Undertale isn't real, it's just Deltarune Asriel's game he made after Deltarune to cope with the events of Deltarune."What ACTUALLY happened to Sans after he bailed from Deltarune is unknown and it's more than likely he actually killed himself out of pants-shitting terror and not wanting to face The Roaring. He never had a brother, but because of the whole days of pranking Kris about his brother, Asriel decided to make Papyrus, which is why Papyrus is such a lynchpin in Flowey's machinations and the happiest ending literally wouldn't be possible without him.
>>4089563Because as a gift to the pope
How do we know the Roaring Knight is actually the Roaring Knight? Things are so uncertain until ch7 that we genuinely don't know even the most basic plot points.
>>4089564right as you left them my ass, he wants everyone to see toriel as a drunken whore now
>>4089564>something that completely rapes Undertale on a conceptual levelThat has already happened to people like me. Susie looking into the camera and saying "this is gonna get old" about Tenna's bullshit is like a betrayal of everything that made Undertale fun to me. And a half assed memberberry chapter doesn't undo that.
>(Kris's TV... it's good it went to someone else.)>(It's not... mine anyway. Even so, I...)>(... I guess... I just expected Kris to keep it forever.)>(Just... in case.)This scene's so sad when you see how Noelle reacts to you giving away Tenna.Ultimately no matter what you do, there's no way to keep the tv in Kris' house. The families will never gather again to all watch it
>>4089560That implies Toby's goal is to be beloved forever and not to make his dream game. If he has to "shit on" Undertale to make Deltarune's point land it'll probably be at worst shitting on an interpretation of Undertale that he never thought people would arrive at.
>>4089569How does Deltarune being bad ruin Undertale? Undertale is still exactly as you left it, untainted by Toby's Hussiefication, still made by the good and honest Toby from before fame got to his head.Did Susie walk out of your Deltarune game window, forcibly turn on Undertale, and then start playing it while making Mystery Science Theater 3000 riffs?
>>4089572What part of>rapes Undertale on a conceptual levelDid you not get?It's mere existence sours what UT was.
>>4089553>>4089558That's one way to resolve the love triangle, but it needs Noelle to leave both Susie and Kris behind (likely), and Susie to become someone less egoistic (unlikely).
>>4089572Because he literally made designs for the six fallen humans in hopes that everyone sees them as "canon"
>Toby is RAPING Undertale by... not portraying every Toriel as nice enough for my headcanon... and... joking about the parts of Undertale's structure that I liked!
>>4089573It only rapes Udnertale because you allow it to. You're so upset about Deltarune that your negativity is bleeding into Undertale, allowing your anger to make you no longer see Undertale for what you once viewed it as, but as a harrowing precursor to worse things yet to come.YOU'RE the one who got raped, sweetheart.
>>4089568It was implied that she was in UT too
>>4089564Someone post that one tweet with the Queen pfp because YIKES.
>>4089563Is there a chance that in spite of his schizo knowledge, Ramb doesn't know about (You) and genuinely is confused why Kris seems so reluctant to play MANTLE despite going through the lengths to go through every single level?
>>4089570Good, I hate family and wholesomeness.
>>4089575And? I don't remember going back to Undertale and suddenly seeing lookalikes of Aqua, Seth, Yellow, Orange, Green and Blue show up during the Omega Flowery fight. I can still ignore the six flowers in favor of my own personal beliefs about the fallen humans because Undertale was not updated or modified to go "NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN *ONLY* PERCEIVE THEM AS DIRECT COPYPASTES OF THE FLOWERS".Once again, you're allowing yourself to be raped by your own hatred of Deltarune and letting it twist your ability to enjoy Undertale.
>>4089575Based Toby.
>>4089567It's a Knight, as per the prophecy, dueling with the heroes strife by strife.And it roars.
>>4089583one of them is a fucking mouse, you imbecile, the mouse will never be a human
>>4089567Kris is the prophecy knight, duh. That's why he's Oersted, the Knight is a pretender.
>>4089585B-but it still RAPED and KILLED all the fan orange soul designs!
>>4089584>strife by strifeyou mean two chapters straight of running and you not being allowed to do a single thing and more stalling and more bullshit
>>4089567You don't. That's the fun part, you don't know anything is for certain because Toby will directly lie to your face, like having Ice Wolf literally call Asgore "Flower Man" in Chapter 4 just to reveal "umm... no? the real Flower Man was Flowery actually, Flower Man is just a term of endearment people use for Asgore, not his actual prophetic title. retard"
>>4089585She's just a pipsqueak you chibi.
>>4089590>StrifeDirect fight in Chapter 3>by StrifeThe entire series of events in Chapter 4Yeah, Knight duels the heroes strife by strife. I don't see the problem here?
>>4089589might as well haveno one will ever make a female blue soul again as a result
>>4089589It made them all into a cute little loli and that's amazing.
>>4089594the church dark world was pointless because toriel wasnt even these, a colossal waste of my time
>>4089598Hello Kris. Are you still mad that Sans fucked your mom just to fuck with your master plan?
>>4089598Yeah, because neither Kris nor Knight knew it was gonna rain, canceling choir practice. Nor did they know schizo agent Sans would advise Toriel to stay home and party instead of going out to look for her son.
>>4089599i didnt like chapter 4 as a whole, literally the only thing i could think about was how i was forced to go off the critical path to get the shelter code just to justify the church dark world
One simple question: was chapter 2 era discussion ever this dreadful?
>>4089603and it was the only thing i was able to think about the entire time i was doing that level
>>4089603>the critical path to get the shelter code>>critical>>shelter codeThe Mission...
>>4089585>the mouse will never be a humanThat's actually really transphobic of you.
>>4089604It was pretty bleak by the end if you hadn't already developed a taste for the Mike stuff, but I wouldn't say it was quite this bad, no. Chapter 5 is the weakest written we've got and gameplay is impossible to "really discuss" longer than a few weeks (like anything else). I say this as someone who remains optimistic about the game's overall direction.
>>4089604No, because we knew very little and future chapters felt so far away, so everyone was just having fun making original content.Since 3+4 came and gave us an immediate release year for Chapter 5, all of that fun got sucked dry in favor of "solving" Deltarune, because if the game's now moving along fast enough to see Chapter 7 in our lifetimes, that means all OC needs to be put on the backburner in favor of beating Toby t othe punch at his own game, since there's more clout in being the "absolute legend who predicted this crucial part of Deltarune" over "the guy who made yet another schizo boss or fan take on Chapter 3."
>>4089606I don't care what you say, if you can't even provide that, then what's the point?
>>4089610Seeing the whole game. I'm here to experience whatever is between point A and point B, not because I'm invested in the initial description I was given of point B.
>there is actually a non-zero chance that the Knight isn't the KnightJfc
>>4089610I would complain about any metroidvania that took the critical path away from me and demanded i wait 5 years to make actual progress.This way that Deltarune has structured things does not make sense to me, it feels wrong to play.
>>4089604Only until Snowgrave leaked>>4089611What description? All we know is that something will probably happen because that's what the whole game is about, something maybe happening in the future.
>>4089611what's been between point a and point b has been a trainwreck of cuckshit and vagueposting
>>4089613If a Metroidvania took away a path from me, I would assume that path to either not be real or at best an Easter egg you can get if you do a ritual dance in some earlier room to magically prevent the cutscene where it's taken away.
>>4089612Remember, the narrator is a lying piece of shit, and is in cahoots with Kris about lying to your face even if it likes to tease him by revealing critical information.The reason Kris is so protective of Knight's identity in "think about the Knight" isn't because it'd reveal it's Rudy, Carol, or even Papyrus, but because it'd reveal Knight isn't even Knight at all.
>>4089604This is particularly awful because we are banished from /v/.
>>4089616And then the game still talks in its story like your supposed to go there and do the thing? Can you just not do that and save me the headache?
>>4089614In this case, getting the shelter codes, which was described as "the mission" and which a lack of progress on has been called bad.>>4089615Some good jokes, some bad jokes, the setup of a fantasy world with some mechanical meat to it, a handful of characters I'd like to see the full story of, gameplay that's appealing and novel and never sticks on any one point longer than a few hours, sometimes a few minutes for simpler ones, and some hints at interesting meta stuff that I think builds on Undertale's.
Kress won
>>4089619Yeah, if a Metroidvania closed a route and then it started telling me I still had to get where it led, that would look to me like the hook for exploring the rest of the map trying to find a way in. I'd expect several areas to not even necessarily look like a lead on how to get in, too, just like how not every chapter is laser focused on getting into the shelter.
>>4089578only in the winter alarm clock stuff, which is material outside of the game, the game itself portrays toriel as a caring but lonely mother who had to lose 7 children and tries to keep frisk only to realize that she was in the wrong as frisk refuses to fight her and lets frisk go, meanwhile, the material outside of undertale makes toriel seem as an evil whore epsteinish pig>winter alarm clock has flowey talk about how toriel drank alcohol to the point of passing out often even through the game itself shows no visual evidence of said alcoholism habits>deltarune portrays toriel as a shitty mother who doesn't give a shit about kris' emotional state and is busier getting dicked down by sans than to focus on her own child>undertale's 10th anniversary stream has a froggit talk about how some of the humans were immediately afraid of toriel and fought her or ran away out of fear as if toriel was some kind of drunk monstrous child-diddling rapist who kept scaring children after she began feeling lonelytoby clearly wants to rape undertale and people's perceptions of it, toriel is merely a half-step into it
>>4089623but deltarune doesnt let you do that either, it just expects you to sit and watch like it didnt happenfuck that shit, that isnt an adventure
>>4089625The game itself makes Toriel look like a less perfect mother than she thinks of and presents herself as. The out of game material backs this up. Her looking "motherly" is an intentionally projected aesthetic, not an objective assessment.>but why would humans be scared of a monster???Lmao?
>>4089626If a Metroidvania was releasing episodically I'd expect the areas to release in the rough order you're expected to find and play them, rather than starting from the first and last areas and filling in the middle.The shelter is not a goal unto itself, it is a part of the story.
It's too bad so much of the game is locked as you progress and the only way to do fights again is to start a new file. Normally you could save before a fight to do it again but you only have 3 saves and with specific routes you're essentially pressured into keeping one for each route, there's a dojo but it isn't even used to let you refight every enemy. You would think this sort of thing would be solved in 2026.
>>4089630Then the game shouldn't pretend you can try. It shouldn't have said at the start of ch5 that maybe you can get the shelter code only to laugh at you and stop you from going over there again. It shouldn't be saying that something has to be done tomorrow only to have nothing be done tomorrow.I wouldn't be able to stomach a metroidvania if it was episodic, it defeats the purpose of that kind of game where every part of the map is supposed to make a cohesive world. Meaning the whole game is already supposed to be there.
>>4089625I didn't know that, I was bullshitting lol
>>4089634>You would think this sort of thing would be solved in 2026.it is, you solve it by using mods, also deltarune yellow solved this exact issue by having a mechanic that lets you "remember" previous unique encounters (aka minibosses and boss battles)
>>4089625Frisk is canonically built different from all other humans, her determination is insane, she fears nothing except the suspense of an entity in a bathtub in the True Lab, and she seems to be the only human who didn't climb Mt. Ebott with suicidal intentions, as the Kickstarter description says she only entered the cave and fell underground because she got too close to the edge while seeking shelter from the rain.Compare Frisk's nonchalance to monsterkind to how humanity treated Asriel, who should be even more harmless-looking and adorable than Toriel, and the moment he stepped into human territory they whipped out their guns and started filling his bitch ass with lead.
>"OWCHEE MY HAND HURTS" *reuses Dating Fight instead of remixing it or having it remixed, has other people do half the soundtrack, gives up on any sense of subtlety and writes the laziest meta references possible*
>>4089635>Then the game shouldn't pretend you can tryIt doesn't.A character saying something isn't the game saying it.
>>4089608>pretty bleak by the end if you hadn't already developed a taste for the Mike stuffThanks for confirming this to me. I was in heaven and didn't know.>>4089609It's gonna be funny if DR actually starts pulling "Susie Gaster" type shit to pick up the slack it didn't across the entire game and make all those cunts look retarded as fuck in retrospect.
>>4089642Lazy cunt keeps reusing Confession from Undertale too, most he can do with it is change the soundfont on his original project file to create such masterpieces as Bratfession and Catfession.
>>4089638Doesn't Mother 3 let you do that tooIf Toby wants to rip everything off that game, he should go all the wayI don't think he could though since the chapters are all separate games. He'd have to find a way to code in all the previous boss fights into the newer chapters
>>4089643The narration saying it too sucks also.It gives me no in-universe motivation to continue. Which isn't exactly the kind of feeling I want from a game like this
>>4089649>He'd have to find a way to code in all the previous boss fights into the newer chaptersModders have been backporting bosses with ease, it took no time at all for the entirety of Pink to be backported to chapter 1 so gimmick challenges like "beating Pink in Chapter 1 with Auto-Susie" can be recorded and uploaded.
>>4089649The Mother 3 one just let you practice combos, it wasn't a full battleFunnily enough, the Deltarune Yellow mechanic that lets you refight bosses is named after the Mother 3 one (Battle Memory)An idea to have it be diegetic would be having a darkner that could shapeshift to turn into the bosses for that fight in the dojo, we only got one now with the netskies but there could have been one based on the concept of "copy and paste" as far back as chapter 2, or 3 with a video recorder or somethingBut Toby didn't even make the dojo functional after chapter 2 (the things it gets in 4 and 5 are just jokes), we will never get graze challenge 2 or all stars 2
>>4089653>beating Pink in Chapter 1 with Auto-SusieHoly based
>>4089638"Yellow" is starting to become a term that means "something Toby made but better"
>>4089649>I don't think he could though since the chapters are all separate games. He'd have to find a way to code in all the previous boss fights into the newer chaptersactually, chapter 2-5 share similar code, porting the bosses is actually pretty easy, a lot of chapter 2 is present across the data.wins of the other chapters, such as noelle being present and every single monster having the ability to be frozen in every chapter's code aside from ch1, despite noelle only being in the party during ch2
>>4089666Even UTY's story and character missteps are ones that successfully inspire fans to want to do the narrative and characters better, Deltarune's been so bitter and spiteful towards itself and its fans that it just makes people wish and beg for Chapter 7B to be Genocide 2 so they can kill everyone, they're THAT unable to conceive these characters being written or handled better anymore due to outright despising them.
>>4089658>An idea to have it be diegetic would be having a darkner that could shapeshift to turn into the bosses for that fight in the dojoNetskies, Shuttahs being cameras so technically they could have photocopies or something
>>4089671No, it's more that most people don't think about whether the characters could be written better. Even after Undertale they only think "ew, I don't like them, so I guess I'm supposed to kill them" and no further.
>>4089671I've been trying to think of ways to fix the game, but it's hard when I have no clue what the full picture is.Like, is Mike a done thing or is there something else to be expanded on? That can change everything in a fan made concept.
>>4089671>Even UTY's story and character missteps are ones that successfully inspire fans to want to do the narrative and characters betteryup, this is why UTY fans keep making fan content of Kanako and Chujin and other characters, it inspires people's passions towards those characters
>>4089676Yup, and when you do try to propose it, you just get hit with the ebin "what if the game sucked" twitter screenshot and then they go back to "so anyway, hometown slaughter ammirite?"
>>4089675Damn, that's such an easy answer that it's no wonder Toby hasn't thought of it and will never use it.
>>4089675NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO HAVE A [BIG FLUFFY $$$$ING TAIL]
>>4089685Yeah, that'd mean making the dojo actually be good for something instead of another gag. Look forward to a joke fight that's a ritual to finally bring Mr. Society back to Castle Town!...Huh? You don't know who Mr. Society is? The most beloved Chapter 1 character who's had an entire sub-narrative going on across all the chapters since Chapter 2?
>>4089671UTY's issues are just some poor planning and lack of awareness around how some things feel when you think too much about them.Deltarune's issues lying on a fundamentally bizarre direction and an obsession with self deconstruction.
>>4089686would be great if the netskies did alter the graphics and dialogue of the bosses too, but it is far too much work for little tobias
>>4089690Too much work without being a direct work of spite against the fandom, you mean. Because he'll go head over heels to program entirely new mechanics for a boss fight that spends its entire duration shitting on theory culture.
>>4089687The Castle Town stuff almost never registers to me because it's 90% unimportant fluff. The other 10% is impossible to not think about like Mike or some of the old fan favorites.
>>4089686>>4089690a well done dojo would be awesome
>>4089696netskie pink is just ceroba
>>4089687This is another thing I dislike, a lot of Castle Town stuff goes forgotten because it has so little presence. You go in and walk around for a few minutes to talk to everyone, then that's it, hope you enjoyed your chapterly visit to the hub world.
>>4089687>>4089693why is it that i keep hearing shit about how castle town and the dojo suck and how it's just some boring one trick pony glup shittos with one or two dialogue lines only per chapter or whatever, but whenever i bring up FIGHTing being more fun in this game than sparing there's always some autist being like "BUT MUHH RECRUITS YOU MISS OUT ON CONTENT 4 CLICKING FIGHT!!1! ITS BETTER TO CLICK SPARE!!"? if castle town is just a 20 minutes long section with nothing interesting in it regardless of having recruits or not, why should i care about whether i FIGHT enemies or spare them?
>>4089688I played some Moon RPG recently and it's helped me understand why he's so obsessed with the subversion stuff. Also it's a really boring game so it's easy to see why everyone else disregarded it.
>>4089558Doesn't Kris gets mad if you pick Berdly and Susie for King and Queen?Noelle says Kris writing so hard, almost ripping the paper
>>4089671>story and character missteps are ones that successfully inspire fans to want to do the narrative and characters betterThat's the case with Deltarune too. People have gotten frustrated so they've started making their own versions>Kriselle mods because Noelle doesn't get to do anything in the actual game>Hat Ralsei mods because his white design sucks>Full weird route mods because our weird route will end up being two changed chapters and a couple cutscenes>Mods where you can beat up the flowers because the game doesn't let you for some reasonUndertale had AUs, Deltarune has fix-it mods because people love the idea of Deltarune but goddamn are there a lot of problems with it
>>4089705>>Kriselle mods because Noelle doesn't get to do anything in the actual game>>Hat Ralsei mods because his white design sucks>>Full weird route mods because our weird route will end up being two changed chapters and a couple cutscenes>>Mods where you can beat up the flowers because the game doesn't let you for some reasoncan i get links to them? they sound like fun
>>4089700As it is, castle town is not worth itThe trouble is we don't know if we'll be locked out of something big if you haven't spared everyone. Better to play it safe for nowAnd even if you want to fight everyone, it could be that more recruits at castle town = a bigger more dramatic fight in a later chapter if Ralsei or Susie turns on us
>>4089700The current problem isn't Castle Town tiself, but the fact that not being an All Recruits Cuck could genuinely net you a bad ending that scolds you for not being a wholesome chungus and then demands you play the entire game again, but "be nicer this time."
>>4089707/doe/ has a kriselle mod in the works. not much so far, but it's promising so farHat Ralsei is here, unfortunately someone else might have to take charge of it since she quit because people bullied her over it for some reason https://www.tumblr.com/roxannarambles/801716168488534016/the-hat-ralsei-game-mod-collectionThe full weird route mod isn't done yet, but he's shown some teasers and it looks like it'll be damn cool when it's ready https://gamebanana.com/wips/97932And the flower fight mod is here https://gamebanana.com/mods/701978
>>4089692The mikes thing was hilarious and mike was probably never a serious lore thing anyway, the real theorycrasher was chapter 4 which all about the prophecy and instead of answering literally anything, the ending was essentially "you know the prophecy? well guess what... there is A PROPHECY."
>>4089715>people bullied her over it for some reasonBased. I mean it sucks that the mod got dropped but I always support when a woman is bullied and/or pushed out of a predominantly male space.
>chapter 2 is the only chapter (so far) that lets you go back to Castle Town AFTER you complete you adventure and lets you freely come back to it while hanging out in the light worldI hate that I have to wait years to see what my castle town looks like after sealing the previous fountain. It was neat seeing Queen's reactions to having everyone recruited, most people recruited, and NOBODY recruited. I don't get why Toby abandoned that.also>chapter 2 is the only chapter where the dojo is not barebonesWhat the fuck did Toby spent the last five years doing? It better be New Game Plus, because this is just inexcusable at this point. Hollow Knight is 10 bucks cheaper and yet it has ten times more content
>>4089677Yeah, that's the crux of the matter. With Undertale and Undertale Yellow, those were finished games that people could play through all at once and judge it on its merits and flaws as a whole. I think a lot of the criticism Deltarune's able to avoid is because we don't have the full picture, so it's tempting to let go of your criticism with the hopes that the rest of the game will hopefully fix any problems you have right now. Although, as we see, this is becoming harder and harder to do as we get closer to the end.Also you can't forget the "media literate" crowd that treats any problem you have with the game as you just not understanding it enough kek
>>4089732Hollow Knight is a finished game, give Toby Fox™ a break.
Castle town turned into a suselle shitshow anyway without any consideration for my own feelings.
>>4089721>deltarune>predominantly maleanon i don't want to alarm you but there may be more female fans than male
>>4089708>>4089711so? my current gameplan is No mercy normal route, weird route and pacifist, if i get a bad ending, oh well, next playthrough time, it's simple
>>4089721>he thinks she was bullied out by men>in the Deltarune fandomYou need to get out of these threads more, anon.
>>4089715>kriselle modalright then>hat ralseii like hatsei, i'll install em later>full weird routeholy shit that seems promising>flower fightthanks anon
>>4089733>spoilerdont worry, once that crowd goes quiet, criticism will be allowed to exist, it happened with undertale yellow, it'll happen with deltarune
Toby doesn't even think about you.
>>4089740You can't even get all the eggs if you fight people in chapter 3If you want to fight just pacify people after you hurt them a little, it's really not too hard once you figure out how it works
>>4089739>>4089743Don't be fooled by "she/her" in the About Me section, lads.
>>4089715>Noelle in ch3 without Susie>no need to go full murder hobo>chance to see Noelle sing Raise Up your bat with a rocker outfit>Noelle waitress outfitBased
>>4089755>You can't even get all the eggs if you fight people in chapter 3i know, if you FIGHT zappers and the frogs you lose your chance to get the egg, i think i remember downloading a mod to fix that on the chapter 3&4 replay i had done before chapter 5 released
>>4089755I don't like how tenna is brought back to life it makes the knight look like a joke, and it replaces the old castle town theme with the one that removed the best part.
>>4089770well, i say "fix" but its more of a change than anything, basically the Zapper that leads you to "Nowhere" stays there permanently even if you beat up all the Zapper enemies, and the ribbicks respawn after you get the ticket and disappear after you get the egghttps://gamebanana.com/mods/612092
>>4089770>>4089774>A mod can fix itYeah and I could also just go through the whole game fighting enemies, then save edit my save to give me all the recruits anywaysA mod existing doesn't excuse the fact that Toby's clearly gonna make you miss out on content if you fight people. I wish it wasn't this way, but it is, so for now it's pacifism only
>but you see this song has this name in the OST and this sound effect has this filename when it plays at zero volume in this scene and this newsletter uses this key term and this sweepstakes has this dialogue andThe story is basically everywhere but the fucking game and the worst part is it's tailored specifically to the crowd that goes after this shit so anyone playing the game just to play it is completely fucked, to say nothing of how literally all the "optional" content is actually secretly required and is technically more important than the main story itself.
>>4089776Continuing on, just to be clear the egg being unobtainable in chapter 3 caught me off guard and rendered my whole save file trash when I went through it.After begrudgingly going through the whole chapter again, I knew I'd only miss out on content if I fought people.And then for several months after release, you lost Jackenstein even if you only attacked the embodiments of darkness so I know I made the right call
>>4089776>a mod can fix itYes, I would rather mod something than edit save files, you can't play that, while you can play a mod.
>>4089783Playing a mod isn't playing the real game, you had fake fun.
>>4089784The real game had a sliding animation that doesn't animateA good look at that code makes you wanna just give up then and there.
>>4089784The way I see it it's a new game,and I've always been in support of mods.
>>4089776that's an entirely different thing, i still lose the non-existent "content" from castle town, if its no prob, then i dont care about not having five glup shittos with a singular joke
>>4089784i had already played vanilla chapter 3 before downloading the ch3 egg for fighters mod and i already played chapter 5 normally, i had fun with the og shit so im playing modded now, not to mention, lots of people play with mods first anyways, see skyrim or fallout, why cant they choose not to play the original unoptimized shit if they dont want to? i play vanilla then modded if i want to, the others do their own thing, boom
>>4089535>things like >>4089530 unansweredThe answer is that he didn't think of it.
Where is Kris's nose Did someone eat his nose.
>>4089795Same place most anime girls have it
this place sucks and the v threads suck and vg sucks. bye.
>>4089798Sorry guys, wrong thread. I love this place.
>>4089798see you tomorrow
>chapter 6 reveal>Galacticamaru isn't a human
>>4089790Me too, that's why I support their actions on /v/.
>>4089798Shit, just dropping by to mention that I'm also trans. Not sure if that matters, but hey.
Kriselle mods will be everywhere.
Will our hero ever get a win?
>>4089810Yes. Look out for the kriselle mod
how long until we get kerdly + berdly paralyzgrave weird run mods?
>>4089812Not canon, doesn't count.
Is Susie gay?
>>4089467Of your existence. Egg is a permanent object that can be taken from nowhere to somewhere and retains its form in nowhere, dark world and light world. It's not too important and not too unimportant. Even if you lose everything, including your "memory", it will be there.
>>4089810Kris is the Oersted of Deltarune, which means everything ever is his fault even though he was a victim of circumstance and assholes, he'll become the ultimate evil, he'll lose realizing he was in the wrong, spend his final living moments with unlimited regret, and no one will shed a tear for him.
>>4089580Going by this dialogue, this is one of the few times we can clearly see Kris talking and doesn't seems to be completely negative about playing MANTLE because he actually ask is someone was with him while playing, for sure he doesn't know about (you)
>>4089818Nah, Kris is the Jesus Christ of Deltarune and will die for our sins and Noelle's.
>>4089612There's 100% chance the Knight we've encountered isn't the prophesy's Knight. It doesn't do what the Knight is supposed to do. It doesn't bring the roaring and keeps avoiding fighting the heroes unless forced to, and even when prevailing it prioritizes its own goal to hurting them any more than it needs to. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that our Knight is the only character actively and successfully defying the prophesy.
>>4089819Kris was definitely having fun until the Ice Key, then it turned into a miserable trauma revisit.
The wet hair thing isn't about the lake, since Kris respawned on the bench and Susie says "Why did both of you seem so... far away, after?", but she didn't see Noelle AFTER getting the icecream, so she can't know how Noelle was AFTER it.She's talking about chapter 4. Kris talked alone with Noelle in chapter 4, and she was excited to have this talk with him. His hair got all wet during the fadeout after the thorn ring and both of them seemed far away (yeah, they fucked while Susie was waiting in the cuck sofa).Its all about what happened in chapter 4, not in chapter 5, unless you think chapter 5 weird route memories are leaking into Susie's head, and that doesn't really make sense, Occams Razor says that the simplest explanation is that its all referring to chapter 4.
>>4089810WITH OUR POWERS COMBINED
>>4089815Don't give a shit. Canon forgot to implement the borders and left in multiple issues for months. Canon did nothing with the dojo or the music shop or the jukebox.Any game can be remade, any story retold.
>>4089819>for sure he doesn't know about (you)That's probably Kris was talking about whoever gave him the OddController to actually play the game with.
>>4089821The Knight defied the prophecy simply by appearing early and doing nothingAgain, fuck chapter 5, there IS no prophecy anymore.
>>4089829>Any game can be remade, any story retold.Agreed, IF it came from the original developer. Anything else is dumb fanfic.
>>4089833I hate the original developer's guts as it is. I'd gladly play someone else's fanfiction if I didn't like some parts of the original.I kid you not, playing that Kriselle chapter 0 gave me more pleasure than the entirety of chapter 5, and I genuinely want to play that more.
>>4089830That's board2 after finishing it dialogue, and oddcontroller was from 1 but he didn't mention it there, i think Kris was referring when john eram talks with Kris>>4089823Seeing mini kris pop from the screen for sure was traumatic
>>4089700I said it was unimportant fluff, not uninteresting. I like to read all the little gags and then instantly move on from most of them. I can't possibly keep up with every single darkner plotline when we have things like the Mikes or Pizzapants at the front.>FIGHTing being more fun in this game than sparingBecause it isn't, except on some very rare occasions (Jevil and maybe Queen's shield). Undertale fighting had things like the alternating sound effects and some minor gimmicks like the amount of hits or the gloves button mash, Deltarune fighting has been the exact same command for 5 chapters straight.FIGHT also never gives anything to you besides a little extra HP for the secret boss that will be reset back in the next chapter immediately. Pacifying has the risk of accidentally losing an enemy and forcing a reload, so you must not go too hard unless which makes the battles drag on for longer and doesn't incentivize you do get stronger weapons.The Castle Town bonus content is barren but still a little something. Trashy Trio was fun, and that requires all chapter 2 recruits. You also loose various small bits of choice like the LOVE/HATE WINS and so on.Recruiting is dull and unfun, but the alternative is getting even less content in a game that is managing its development resources in terrible ways and having to endure some pretentious diatribe about how I'm not being kind enough to the double fictional characters.My point is that Deltarune is a pile of poorly thought out gameplay systems hanging on each other haphazardly.
>>4089838>mini-Kris rejects his player's control and moves on his own to interact with Kris directly (even flashing a blade if he so chooses to)>basically the same thing Kris does to (You) at the end of Chapter 1 beat by beatKINO
>>4089732>What the fuck did Toby spent the last five years doing?Legend of Tenna/MANTLE, climbing, platforming, trying to make the church into a maze and then giving up, Mike fight, Mike minigames, Kikky...
Came Deltarune mission etc
>>4089832That wasn't the prophesy's Knight. That one hasn't appeared yet because the heroes haven't appeared at the destroyed world's edge yet.
>>4089841Based, all of those things are way more fun than some dojo shit nobody even plays.
https://files.catbox.moe/7d34b2.pngI bet if Noelle were here instead she would've let us leave
>>4089846To go where?
>>4089845I would take a fleshed out dojo over some shit about some stranger's cat. I have my own cat to worry about.
>>4089847To go see Rudy, or to leave the waste of time that is this fountain. Or to drop mew mew(the darkner girl only) off to the Castle Town.
>>4089733Being cucked out of Onionsan in chapter 4 is one of the very rare things I changed my stance on because the follow up to that was insanely good.But I don't think there will be anything that can undo my feelings on other moments like that. What "full picture" could possibly justify the 8 real life years of Papyrus blue balling?
>>4089839>Pacifying has the risk of accidentally losing an enemy and forcing a reloadNot really once you know how it worksI've been trying to fight everyone into being tired in a recent playthrough and it's very safeMy main problem is sometimes enemy bullets just give like NO TP making it difficult to get enough TP for ScytheMare.I had an intrusive thought for a second that maybe I should pick up the Orange Glove and give up the Yellow Hat for it but that's such a wasteRight now I'm thinking AquaKnife/BlueShoes/YellowHat
>>4089846Only if she didn't know Knight was actively kidnapping people. She'd harp on Kris's case about letting HIS OWN FATHER run the risk of getting snagged by Knight.
>>4089853>Not really once you know how it worksI still can't do the UT equivalent of that. Temmie keeps dying in one hit.
>>4089848Kikky RAPED your cat
>>4089859Can you just make something cool instead of that? It wasn't a good section and i didn't find it funny.
>>4089860Of course not, disliking anything about Deltarune means you're RAPED.Now let's repeat this exchange for the next few years. Because this is sure better discussion than trying to imagine a possible character in the future.
>Chapter 7B starts>Kris wakes up on the shore>Susie is beside Kris crying her eyes out, hugging them and saying she thought they were dead>Noelle is nowhere to be found, not even her clothesImagine the butthurt.
Kikky is FRIEND pack owner
>>4089867After chapter 5, yes Toby fox would do that
>>4089867And then you'll get a bad ending at the final boss because Noelle was supposed to be there, and she was supposed to spam a specific Noelle ACT, just like how you could only beat Earthbound Beginnings and Earthbound by singing or praying until the battle was won.
>>4089867Consider>Chapter 7B starts>Kris wakes up on the shore>Susie is beside Kris crying her eyes out, hugging them and saying she thought they were dead>Only Noelle's clothes remain>Later in the shelter you see Noelle wandering around nude>Then she nakedly hugs Kris crying that she didn't think they'd ever meet again
>>4089867See, this is why singular they/them sucks. I thought both of them came ashore until you said Noelle didn't.
>>4089829>Any game can be remade, any story retold.Based AAA shareholder.
>>4089867>Chapter 7B starts>ERAM comes to welcome you>he takes out his mask>it's a pippins......................
>>4089880>the entirety of 7B is Toby using Green Pippins as a mouthpiece to go on multiple AM HATE-level rants about his fanbase, every single dogshit theory and meme, and how much he's come to fucking despise gamedev, all in excruciating detail that by the end of it will be over 50% of Deltarune's total dialogue across all chapters
>>4089887>Toby has also used his connections and wealth so he can figure out what any player has ever said or done regarding his work and insult them for itThe Pippins will start to rant about how shit that art piece you once drew was and mock your theories.And god help the person who started the Doelester memes
>>4089887I'd fucking kneel but he wouldn't risk his main (Japanese) fanbase catching strays. A Toby is just a Toby.
>>4089893He'll have absolutely nothing bad to say about his Japanese fans. He'll put a big disclaimer in Japanese text (even if you're playing English) that this is solely regarding the Western Fandom, and that he loves all the silly and heartful works his boys from the Glorious Land of the Rising Sun have made over the years.
>>4089895>the Japanese text is completely different from his English rant, thanking the Japanese players for supporting him and him looking forward to sharing his next, Japanese language exclusive game with them
>>4089867reverse of this where kris and noelle wake up somewhere that looks almost comedically scary and fucked up but noelle's adrenaline has crashed and she is bawling her eyes out and apologizing. Genuinely thinks she sent them both to hell
>>4089908>Genuinely thinks she sent them both to hellI mean, she did make a pact with an otherworldly corruptor in exchange for power. Should never have trusted that red bastard
>>4089918>"K-Kris, Kris! That was... that was satan the whole time, wasn't it? Oh God! I failed INSTANTLY! Holy shit I didn't even put up a fight! I sold our souls for a thorn and a bath!"
>>4089895wonder what his japanese fans would think if they knew he funded people he would never allow into his gated community
>>4089845>than some dojo shit nobody even plays.nobody plays it because it's currently shit
>>4089925Nobody plays it because there is no need for battles to be segregated to the dojo when effort spent making dojo fights could be spent on making more fights for the chapter itself.
>>4089839>Pacifying has the risk of accidentally losing an enemy and forcing a reload, so you must not go too hard unless which makes the battles drag on for longer and doesn't incentivize you do get stronger weapons.pacify route is pretty easy once you get the gist of dealing just enough damage to not kill, generally vibechecking the first turn with one susie attack (while kris checks and ralsei defends) is good enough for me to calculate how much damage i can do to get the enemy in pacify range and apply that knowledge to all further encounters
>>4089927So why make the dojo in the first place?DUMBFUCKINGDOG
>>4089927the dojo just needs to remix existing fights and offer rematches, which is minimal work compared to making new battles from scratchit is free content, but toby didn't do it anyway and kept making dumb gimmicks instead
>>4089856temmie has 5 HP dumbass, it'll always die, she's like the whimsun of waterfall
>>4089856Yeah, because Undertale isn't made with "fight until they're weak" in mind, Toriel was literally designed to spit in the face of this approach by surprising you with>WHUH OH, FRISK ACTUALLY HATES HER NOW, CRITICAL DAMAGE!!!
>>4089897it should also check if you played the entire weird route in english and switched it to japanese at chapter 7b
>>4089927people would use the dojo if it had>ch3 all-stars>ch4 all-stars>grazing challenge 2>rude buster parry challenge>Sweet Cap'n Cakes rematch>Jackenstein rematch>Ch5 all-stars>Netskie-Aqua MERCY% & Grazing challenge>Triple Terracota fight>Spamton & Jevil DUO fight>Tenna Rematch (if you kept tenna)>Ch6&7 all-stars>Main Boss Rush>Secret Boss rush (Feat. Netskies)>Ghost of Starwalker superboss (after all other dojo battles have been done)>The fun gang (once you beat the top of the top, all that's left is to CONQUER "yourself"! playing as the vessel ofc)
>>4089937and then toby spent the next decade trying to course correct after that shit moment scared everyone off of using the FIGHT button even against chaos king or the titan
>>4089942All that, just to punish you for using the Fight Button again outside of GIGA Queen and Knight.Remember when Jack died for your sin of DARING to kill a Titan Spawn, mindless being of destruction incarnate who has no redeemable qualities and is an active threat to existence itself if left alive?
>>4089943deltarune was doing a good job at teaching players that sometimes FIGHTing is not all that bad with ch3&4 (in fact, by the time a pacifist player done with the knight and the titan, they mightve gotten used to timing their attacks when FIGHTing if theyve never pressed FIGHT before those fights) then chapter 5 shat the bed and forced you to spare the bosses so hard it seemed like it was trying to undo what it was teaching
>>4089944the aqua knife is genuinely useless
>>4089942People who got scared off of using the fight button in general because they were trying to spare Toriel by fighting her are a special kind of retarded.
>>4089937The whole reason that moment exists is because Toby REALLY wanted people to see he could make the game acknowledge you reloading without saving, just to never use it in a more meaningful event ever again beyond a few infinitely weaker callouts after itWhere'd all that shit go Toby? The meta stuff that we actually did care about, the stuff that made the game actually feel alive
>>4089946It's a moment that's meant to fuck with you. You're taught you can make monsters spare-able by acting a certain way or getting their health low enough. Toriel won't budge no matter how many times you use the Talk act, and unless you intuit that "there may come a time where you have to spare someone whose name isn't yellow" from that one Froggit as "keep using spare, even if nothing happens, even though it wasn't working with Talking", then the intention is to goad the player into fighting until Toriel's health is low enough to spare her.Then Frisk suddenly tears her a new one with critical lethal damage out of nowhere, and the trick is successfully performed.
>>4089949But the trick is never performed again. Surely they noticed that in-universe people like Asgore or Toriel would "allow" the extra damage and someone like Undyne wouldn't?
>>4089945If you boost Kris' attack stat enough it lets you easily put the enemies into the tired state in one attack which is the most efficient way of dealing with enemies outside of just killing themI think it has its uses
>>4089952theres nothing to use it on by the time you get it.calling it, in chapter 6 the game will just have susie and ralsei not let you attack anything anymore
>>4089955You've got it backwards, chapter 6 is not gonna let you act anymore.It's pacify or kill
>Toby fox is SPITEFUL and RESENTFUL of his fansSo does anyone actually have an explanation for this hallucination that isn't complete projection? So far every single "example" of this has been>Toby Fox didn't retcon his own story so i'd like it more>Toby Fox didn't retcon his own story so my theories would be true>Toby Fox hasn't explained every single thing in meticulous detail even when it can already be logically deduced or is utterly trivial>Toby Fox added a gameplay mechanic i don't like>Toby Fox made a joke lightly ribbing the fandom
>>4089944The consequences of "Chapter 2 is peak Deltarune" fan reception have been disastrous on Toby's psyche, especially when he deliberately reworked Chapter 2 to be as Undertale as possible.
>>4089956After the flowery fight, and after the fake gerson fight, i think fighting is just off the menu for good
>>4089957if he wont retcon his story so id like it more, maybe i should just do that.
>>4089957He sure will retcon his story to make it worse though, like making it so suddenly Susie's real reason for bullying Kris was her envy of his and Noelle's connection, even though she acted like Noelle didn't exist at all prior to Chapter 2.
>>4089960Then do it. No one is stopping you. Toby Fox WANTS you to do this even.>>4089959Anon ACT only fights have existed since chapter 1.
>>4089949The argument here sort of holds but for one thing. If you fight, talk, or use an item, you don't get a dialogue box from her at all. The moment you spare, you get dialogue boxes.>...>... ...>... ... ...>...?It takes her five spares to actually say words, to be fair, but saying nothing and having a dialogue box that says nothing differently each time are different.The game was never unclear in communicating that repeatedly sparing her is where the other way to beat her lies.
>>4089963they were relegated to the joke fights and the fights where you literally couldnt see the target
>>4089962That doesn't mean Toby Fox holds DEEP HATRED for his fandom. There are also explanations for this scene that aren't "It's a retcon", so...>>4089967>they were relegated to joke fightsWhat is the definition of a "joke fight" here? The fight has jokes in it? That applies to over 90% of fights in this game.
Susie is going to try and force mercy the moment the gang start fighting Darker-Than-Darkners like the titan spawns, and directly cause the tragedy of the prophecy to happen (Sealing castle town) by being a retard who just filled it with people who dont want to play nice and tear it apart
>>4089967u can't just call K. Round a joke fight when it's used to justify calling out Susie's behavior and her switchup to temporarily being a bad guydespite its nature it was still taken seriously
>>4089965>The game was never unclear in communicating that repeatedly sparing her is where the other way to beat her liesHaving to waste multiple turns getting nothing but dots is the opposite of clear. I didn't fall for it, but what's really annoying is applying the same logic to Asgore gets you absolutely nowhere
>>4089952you can achieve that even easier with Susie
>>4089963>Anon ACT only fights have existed since chapter 1.tutorial fights, and you could theorically beat K. Round damage if you consistently dealt perfect damage every turn with perfect grazing but no one cared enough to do that because they realized that beating K round with violence didnt change the result
>>4089976The point is there is no way to put an enemy into the tired state in a single hit without either using Rude Buster or getting a crit. The AquaKnife makes crits basically guaranteedThe main tricky thing is we'll need Kris to either get a large AT buff between chapters or some better equipment gets added because it takes both PowerBands to make it just barely work, but its the most effective way if you do
>>4089970The joke of Rouxls Kaard being that he made all the commands into act commands
I was using Kris and Susie to pacify stuff, from ch1 to ch5. Then the flowery fight rolled in...
>>4089973>Having to waste multiple turns getting nothing but dotsAs soon as you start getting dialogue, dialogue that changes every turn at that, when no other action earns it, that's a sign you're fulfilling a condition. If you thought "aw, she's just saying dots, that must be nothing" when every other option results in her actually saying nothing, you're ignoring obvious signs.>applying the same logic to AsgoreYou literally don't have a mercy button and thus can only waste turns with ACTs whose text eventually starts looping, indicating no further progress is to be made. So no, you can't apply this logic to Asgore.
>>4089649toby is making deltarune paradoxically a game filled with all these references to other games that he wants players to know but also so easy that a retard who has never played any other game can beat it it's really annoying
>>4089732noelle game plus could actually redeem the whole game if it's a genuinely different experience
>>4089990>rouxls kaard sees the coming disaster and uses actual pain in the ass puzzles this time to slow you down
>>4089994noelle would just glitch past them
>>4089988Yup. The same chapter that frets about "what if Deltarune is somehow someone's very first platformer?" is the same chapter that makes a reference to bad retro localization that only someone who knows a lot about that niche topic or played the original Harvest Moon would even know about.
>>4089994>the pain in the ass puzzles gives noelle pain in the ass
>>4089957>Toby Fox hasn't explained every single thing in meticulous detail even when it can already be logically deduced or is utterly trivialWhy would I reply to a bad faith faggot like you?
>>4089520No there aren't. Go take a look at the vrpg board. Half of it is anime isekai bs with harem and cuck shit, the other half is western dnd bs also with harem and cuck shit. Deltarune is the worst of both worlds and it also has meta stuff, since the new meta is adding meta. The video game industry right now is sick.
>>4089965When you think about it, Toby's been using vagueposting as a gameplay mechanic since Undertale demo...
>>4090006any yet people predicted half the plot from the demo alone
>>4090007Because the demo was about a fifth of the full game rather than like five PERCENT of the full game.
>>4090007Not really it's just that Undertale's plot was not too big while Deltarune is a whole saga
>>4090007Yeah, because Undertale is a far smaller game with a much simpler story. And even then, if people could figure out that Flowey is connected to Asgore who used to be married to Toriel which meant they had a son and then there was a falling out over whatever caused Asriel to turn into Flowey, they didn't know the how, nor why Flowey was a sadistic fuck bent on world domination.
>>4089929The bait-and-switch that anybody but Susie was getting a "hub area"
Be careful, Kris.There are a lot of Green Pippins out there.
>>4089957nah everybody wants to believe the dog has fucked their wife and stolen their bank account apropos of nothing
(You) are actually the Roaring Knight.
>>4090007The difference is UT had you continuing to learn more as you went on, you might have guessed some potential plot threads but the info along the way fleshed things out and made it feel like things mattered. DR goes Ultra Instinct and dodges every opportunity to make sense, make the story feel like it matters, or directly flesh out its world. Instead we're given a bunch of locked safes and told we'll get the key at the very end.
>>4090006Chapter 5 is longer than a first blind playthrough of Undertale and it's a FILLER CHAPTER
>>4090039And even then, we're more than likely going to not open ANY of those safes even after 7 and 7B, because Toby once again wants the fandom to have easy fanwork material for the coming years.He will, of course, crush all fanworks later with UNALTERED.
>>4090044I'm fine with that, have you seen the fans?
>>4090046This isn't 2016 Undertale anymore, they're just gonna mope about how Toby left them with a bunch of dangling threads while simultaneously harassing anyone who tries to use those threads for their own OC because "you're gonna look real stupid in a few years" or "you're gonna get people's expectations too high for Toby's next game". They've done the song and dance already, they know the threads won't dangle forever.
>>4089941I can't see how any of that gets me any closer to completing my MISSION
>>4090049That's a good thing. Fuck the fans.
>>4089946yeah and now you got pussies left and right who proudly admit to being filtered by papyrus like retards, only pussies or retarded kiddies who never played any shit besides utdr think that being a sissy bitch scared of doing the "ooo you click FIGHT soo scarys" route in a silly vidya is a good and sane thing to do
>>4089957Some people are just permanently RAPED by Tony. If Undertale came out today they'd consider the artifact joke a personal attack too.
>>4089965if you ACT enough the text says "maybe there's a way to win without fighting or running away?" to goad you into thinking "hm well i dun want to touch her and i dont want to run away so maybe i can do something else
>>4090007>half the plotYou mean how people datamined the name of a room and figured it might be related to like the only two characters whose names were known in the demo? Yeah man, such intricate fucking detective work.
What if Asgore tried to go fight the Knight alone immediately upon seeing them? That would avoid Asgore having a change of heart then just vagueposting, which I think is the most unnatural part of it.
>>4090001Writing your posts under the belief that Toby Fox is a hack who hates you and his fans and everything is also posting in bad faith.>>4090007Undertale has a completely different story structure from Deltarune, and is considerably more simple. This is not a very fair comparison (and also if someone solved the plot from deltarune chapter 1 that would not be a good thing.)>>4090039>DR goes Ultra Instinct and dodges every opportunity to make senseJust because you can't figure out the plot doesn't mean its incomprehensible. The surface level plot is very understandable and even the underlying metanarrative can currently be understood to an extent.>make the story feel like it mattersMost people care about the character and story. This thread is an exception to the rule here.>or directly flesh out its worldBy what definition?>Instead we're given a bunch of locked saafes and told we'll get the key at the endYeah. Stories are usually resolved around the end.
>>4090062>What if Asgore did something?Then something would happen and it's not ch7 yet.
>>4090063>The surface level plot is very understandable It is but the actual story is about how it's not about the story that the game spends 95% of its time and resources showing us. >and even the underlying metanarrative can currently be understood to an extent.We only know enough to understand that we don't really know anything.
>>4090065>It is but the actual story is about how it's not about the storyYou clearly don't understand the surface level story.
>>4090062Because that means the plot would do anything before Chapter 7, and risks spoiling something that needs to be reserved for one of several Leder-style loredumps.
>>4090064>>4090070How does this even slightly fit the definition of "the plot advancing". You're just throwing buzzwords around with understanding what they mean.
>>4090071Consider this: what if the game sucked?
>>4090071Having Asgore actually fight Knight risks him spouting something in righteous fury about THAT HORRIBLE DAY in unvague terms, because he'd want to remind that Knight BASTARD what they did to his family and friends.
>>4090071It's HYPE MOMENT and AURA. Nevermind that it goes against everything we know about the Knight, Asgore NEEDS a fight right now...well because Undertale had one!
>>4090062I stewed on this idea for a bit too long and made my post too curt. Let me rewrite this.What if Asgore tried to fight the Knight and got kidnapped? I feel that's the simplest way to make the chapter more natural without rewriting the entire story.I think the most unnatural part of the whole ending is that Asgore having a turnaround is when anyone would expect him to go down and explain what happened on "THAT DAY" to the viewer. Toby didn't want him to because of outside reasons and that ended up messing with the chapter.>>4090064>>4090070I know we all dislike chapter 5 but can you stop being butthurt for five seconds
>>4090055shut up col, learn to have some fun
>>4090078gotta have one to have the other
>>4090063>Writing your posts under the belief that Toby Fox is a hack who hates you and his fans and everything is also posting in bad faithJust stfu already. You're the one who considers anything below "Toby is the prodigal son, my Lord and Savior" to be inflamatory.
>>4090077Let people not enjoy things.
Toby is the prodigal son, my Lord and Savior, mew!
You will be ashamed of your words and deeds.
boobqua
>>4090090nope, i won't, my resolve is strong.im not gonna change my general thoughts until i'm proven wrong.
>>4090096Her design is objectively fixed like this.
Say something nice about Deltarune.
>>4090099>is objectively made worse like thisFTFY
>>4090096Aqua is 99% a grown woman roleplaying as a kid because of Asgore
>>4090110Sorry but child bodies just don't do it for me.
>>4090112Literally everything about her in the game is childlike
>>4090113FAGGOT
>>4090109Probably one of the last vydia i'm interested that isn't called half-life 3 in this era of remakes and remasters
>>4090114>xe doesn't know the hidden nature of Aqua true motives just like we don't know what the fuck is Kris dealhype moments and aura, we don't need evidence, just headcanons
>>4090109Deltarune music lives rent free in my head 24/7.
>>4089255Can you use another website? That one doesn't load the image and looks kind of sketchy
>>4090058It says a lot that I want to KILL 90% of the cast in DR but "didn't have it in me" to continue genocide after Papyrus.What does that say about DR as a game?
>>4090125>It says a lotYeah, that you're a pussy faggot.
>>4089948>Toby has never been capable of delivering and improving the cool stuff from his free demos
>>4090109I've been listening to covers of It's TV Time and Catswing on repeat for the entire past year
>>4089666The only people saying this are those who only liked ut/dr because of "furry waifus" and now hate Deltarune because they finally realized the furry dating sim version of Deltarune never existed outside their heads.
>>4089671Deltarune has plenty of fanmade content made for it, don't kid yourself. The only reason it's never talked is because the only fan content most people care about here has to involve a furry waifu.
>>4089810He's not my hero but my villain.
>>4089867Only Noelle already being dead will happen.
>>4089957It's schizophrenia because they realize they never actually liked Toby's Deltarune, just the one that existed in their heads. So Toby shattering that delusion means he HATES them.
>>4090096Love that this artist is drawing her, hopefully she draws Aqua with her version of Frisk/Chara soon.
>>4090082I bet he is really happy we are finally "talking about the main characters" instead of that dastardly Michael.
>>4090157Waiting for that artist to draw FemKris again.
>>4090063>Undertale has a completely different story structure from DeltaruneLet's see>You shove UT's characters and gameplay elements into the game>you do make the two free chapter follow the almost exact same structure and tone the average UT area had>many similar themes and such >"how dare you expect UT from this!"And regardless, not being UT doesn't excuse how the story refuses to clarify anything about itself the the point we get LESS sure of what it is about with every new release.
>>4090063>Stories are usually resolved around the end.Stories usually revolve around their middle development.
>>4090131Dumb nigger or bait award.
>>4089957I hate chapter 3 to the core but even I got a few things about it I loved. Don't you have a SINGLE thing you feel rage or frustration in the whole game?
>>4090124I've been using that site as an alt to catbox for a while. It sometimes has its moments of slowness, but its overall more reliable and stable.Are you an artist who is interested? I'd upload a Litterbox link, but right now its shitting the bed.
I did it guys, I convinced myself that the twisted sword will play no role in chapter 6, it's gonna be kept for 7. You will either not be able to get it, or you will get it in the post-dark world castle town visit and there will be no use for it at that point. In any case the payoff for this whole thing will be in 7, not in 6.Honestly I'm not even mad, I feel a sense of relief if anything, I'm not worried about getting disappointed by 6 anymore.
>>4089450Noelle likes nice Susie the same way an archetypal girly girl character would like a bad boy's "sensitive side". She still believes Susie is a real chaos-loving rebel. I can very much see Noelle getting the ick when she learns Susie is a stagnation-loving lawfag, especially considering her deep-seated disdain for hometown's seemingly stagnant NPCs.
>>4090189Do you have actual reasoning for this or are you just making shit up for the sake of it.
>>4089957You know I finally realized something when I stumbled upon another goddamn fucking Dobson thread on /v/ ago, the reason why people act like this is because they really, REALLY want Toby be to yet another lolcow who makes a fool out of himself on the internet 24/7 instead of actually making fucking video games.
>>4090198Not him but if the chapter is ''short and easier to make'', then probably there's not that much side content in the same vein as the shadow crystal bosses and everything is pointing out to be a big build up for 7 as a wholeBut i'm not as doompilled like that anon and i believe even if you don't get the crystal, at least Seam will fight you and be the secret boss
Nigger jannies killed another thread
>>4090161I think she only drew FemKris once.
>>4090125it means that papyrus and undertale is well-written at least
>See someone complaining about "kriselle fags being annoying in the /vrpg/ threads" on /v/>Look at the previous thread and this thread>Literally just that one easily recognizable schizo complaining about "kriselle fags" unprompted like he always does about everythingDo people really fall for this?...Surely not, right?Anon, you're not falling for a guy that self-admitted he does everything solely because he's a raped bitch who wants everybody to be as sad as he is, right?
>>4090220I mean there's that guy who keeps posting the same Kriselle images about the festival and he is pretty annoying about it.
>>4090189>>4090214i doubt toby is gonna spoil the twisted sword stuff by implying it's gonna be irrelevant, my two cents is that it will matter but it will have a slow buildup before the real changes occur (in chapter 7), chapter 6 will at least have the seam secret boss fight imo
>>4089199Not really. I don't even remember what it looks like
>>4090220Did you notice that, too? It's probably a vesselfag. I'm betting on this one >>4089205
>>4090172NTA but who the hell feels "rage and frustration" when playing a scrimblo vidya, it's just a silly game. I don't like all of it but come on, straight up boiling with hate? Nah.
>>4090221>I mean there's that guy who keeps posting the same Kriselle images about the festival and he is pretty annoying about itSo, is it annoying to use dialogue from the game to back up your points?
botpost
>>4090221I don't even take this guy seriously anymore, feels like a falseflag at this point.
>>4090221>>4090232>Posting screencaps is bad because they contradict my headcanon! You just lost the argument, and now you can't stop seething.
He's so easy to bait it's almost embarassing.
>>4090236>He'sWho? Tell us about the new boogeyman.
>>4090164btw reverse undertale theory still fits like a glove, flowery makes reference to a lot of papyrus-related things (including small things like one of papyrus lines "i want to look my sunday best", with the SundayBest armor but it gets overshadowed by the "PetalMantle" realization)
Kriselle niggers getting uppity again, need 7B correction.
>>4090242>getting uppity againliterally where?
>>4090214>shortChapter 2 is much shorter than chapter 5 and yet it contains 100% of weird route content that isn't a cutscene.>and easier to developThis is probably because chapter 6 won't have any ridiculous gimmicks like the FIVE different minigames TV world has or an entire platformer.>and everything is pointing out to be a big build up for 7 as a whole.How so? The holiday manor's layout has been perfectly designed to resolve every single mystery that has been built up for the last 5 chapters, besides obvious endgame shit like the final tragedy.
>>4090242PLAP PLAP PLAPGET USED UP GET USED UP
>already hit bump limit>not even 24 hourssugoi?
>>4090247Not even a fast thread, we've had +1000 posts in a day before.
>>4090189>in chapter 6, it's gonna be kept for 76767676767676767
>>4090124Working now: https://litter.catbox.moe/74qfvz.png
>>4090242>>4089336https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/747395595/#747402276https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/747395595/#q747403609https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/747395595/#q747403609It seems like you're way too obsessed with Kriselle and krisellefags. Please explain why you're so angry.
>>4090186>>4090251Nah I was just curious
why does the flower shop have three interactions between Blue and Orange, yet, after everyone welcomes Pink in Pink & Orange, Pink gets no interactions with any other flower and only gets to interact with Kris?
>>4090253Not a single one of those posts was mine, if you want a post that was actually made by me it's this onehttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/747395595/#q747399974
>>4090258Okay, but can you explain why you're seething at Kriselle and the krisellefags?
>>4090256Because she spend all her time hidden or just in the shop and only interacted with Orange, and Kris of course because the body fell in loveOr toby forgor
>>4090260just don't like emsimple as
>>4090220It's not whoever your boogeyman is who's complaining about Krisellefags, it's because of one tard here that always posts the same Kriselle pictures that's ruining the reputation of Kriselle here. He always makes the same bot tier posts wherever he gets triggered
>>4090263Are you autistic? There must be a reason.
>>4090258>None of those are me, this post is mine>Equal levels of mental illness on displayOkay?Are you gonna keep up this "ACTUALLY THE WEIRD ROUTE ACTUALLY SUCKS AND NOBODY WILL LIKE IT BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE ME ANGRY" shtick or what.
>>4090221It's probably him making that very post you replied to.
>>4090264No, this isn't about your boogeyman, it's about my boogeyman! LMAO
>>4090242I'm looking forward to Noelle being used up for the meltdown at the same tier of the lake scene.
>>4090267When did I say it sucks? You think I'm saying it sucks because it's not gonna be a kriselle date, but that's just you wanting it to be a kriselle date and not liking any other options.
>>4090264>It's not your bogeymanLike I said, are you dumb? You a little slow, anon-chama?It's not like it's actually discussion either, it's just "x-fags are so mad because y DESTROYED THEM!!!" Which is an easily recognizable way to post.Also fuck that other guy whoever you're talking about.
>>4090245Because Tobert said that by the end of the year, most of the team will be working on 7 already so that means it was developed fasterAlso that he literally said that we shouldn't worry about the pacing issue and that his decisions will make more sense like why he made 6 that way when we have 7
>>4090268He's probably living in your walls right now.
>>4090270Case in point.
>>4090276>Because Tobert said that by the end of the year, most of the team will be working on 7Can you please say where you got that "most" from. Specifically talking about 7 by the way, not 7B.
>>4090274>kriselle dateShut the fuck up, vesselfag.
>>4090276>Don't worry about the pacingWhat? The pacing is the one thing you can worry about in a story even before its over.
>>4090125As a game I don't know, but as a fictional universe, DR feels more desperate than UT. UT feels more like a genuine adventure, while in DR, characters are only pretending to have adventures. Deep down, you know the universe of DR is going straight to the meat grinder, so you're more inclined to detach and adopt a nihilistic stance.
>>4090253You linked the same post twice and the first post is clearly mocking a previous post about vesselfags. That's extremely common on 4chan.
>>4090281Keep seething krisellenigger, Noelle will be used up and I will enjoy seeing you bitch about it here.
>>4090278But, anon, that's literally what you said. Also, I don't see anything wrong with using screenshots to back up your point.
>>4090273I think it's the only logical conclusion, Spamton was too obvious with his foreshadowing of what happens when you try to see too far and your strings are finally cut and you have your "freedom". No one can choose who they are in this world.
>>4090274Really accusing me of making assumptions and then hitting me with your own.That's just it. That's the crux of it.You could just stop at saying you believe it's going to be tragic, but you don't. You go a step further and start saying how "you won't get what you want out of the weird route" because you're absolutely simmering over something.
>>4090275>it's just "x-fags are so mad because y DESTROYED THEM!!!" Which is an easily recognizable way to post.That's an extremely common type of posting here on 4chan anon. Multiple people engage with this type of trolling.
>>4090289Probably.
So is this board like /deltarune/ or something
>>4090279Here in a previous newsletter, it actually says ''some'' so i was KINDA wrong
>>4090285>Keep seething krisellenigger, Noelle will be used up and I will enjoy seeing you bitch about it here.Ladies and gentlemen! Vesselfag has dropped the mask. He was the one behind the recent anti-Kriselle posts!
>>4090277No, that's vessel/femkrisfags or whoever you're triggered at today.
>>4090291No, there are like 500 other actual threads.
ERAM won.
>>4090285Based.
>>4090295>vessel/femkrisfagsTo be honest, I don't see the difference.
>>4090288You were the one who started with assuming I was trying to say that the weird route would suck, even though I think the weird route will be good.
How long until we get a /dbs/-tier schizo?
The Vessel? More like 99% headcanon character LMAO
>>4090303Toby is a /dbs/ poster already
Why does this make you seethe?
why do lowfunc autists think they can’t be profiled despite repetitive habits
>>4090302And?I accused you of some bullshit and your reply was to come out and reveal you're absolutely mad about some stupid shit that's all in your head.It's not like I said anything about that in particular, you just let your true feelings out because you're absolutely bubbling over it.You're a little baby clown man.>>4090303There's already literal dbz shitposters. I dunno how bad it can get.
Kris, Noelle AND the Vessel will be used upNo survivors
>>4090306He won't be until he makes a joke about kneeling.
>>4090308Why do people with schizophrenia think they aren't mentally ill?
>>4090303We already have the Kriselletard.
>>4090310Kris and Noelle will be used up, you will then get the Vessel and proceed to fuck up everything up just to get a different ending. Up to you to decide if it was worth it or not.
>>4090310What's the next step of your Weird Route then?
>>4090298My freaking HERO.
I will say one thing to their credit, I'd rather this thread have krisellefags than krusiefags, much less annoying, and overall a much, much better ship.
>>4090316CRASHING THIS _DEVICE WITH NO SURVIVORS.
>>4090307>Why does this make you seethe? Okay, I'll confess. Kris and Noelle are actual characters, but the Vessel isn't. That makes me angry, and I'm jealous of the krisellefags.
>He's seething so hard he's samefagging
>>4090316Susie stealing your protagonist even in the weird route>this mindbreak route of yours, it can't just be your thing anymore
Why does this non-character make people seethe so much?
>>4090322Who?
>>4090318piss vs shit situation cuz it'll end up being about all 3 of them anyway
>>4090312>AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEE WALL-SAMA PLEASE SPARE ME I WILL STOP BEING A CUTSCENE MERCHANT
>>4090328K, b, c.
>>4090320I know this is a shitpost, but I really don't understand how the Vessel having very little character beyond what you give it while you create it can be seen as a bad thing. Yeah of course it's not much of a character, it's meant to be your vessel, your self-insert, you make up your own character for it, that's the whole point.
>>4090307Artist?Draws a good kiss
>>4090229>a silly gameIt's a two of a kind game which is unlikely to ever get another shot at these systems and styles and a mid budget release.It also went also of it's way to call me a retard for falling for all the misleading advertisement and empowered smug fags about it.
>>4090325It stops my ship from happening.
>>4090330NTA but I think he's just saying he wished the vessel showed up more.
>>4090325Why does Kriselle make the vesselfags seethe so much? >>4089205 Enough that they're willing to steal a Kriselle-focused song and twist it to fit their favorite non-existent character?
>>4090239Reverse UT was always one of the lamest patterns possible.
>>4090330How am I supposed to emotionally care about a character that has no personality and no connections to anyone
>>4090331https://x.com/Ohghyyy/status/2097198921084780912
>Krisellefocused SongIf SFB is about Noelle it's gonna be about Soulelle not Kriselle lol.
>>4090338Because it's yours. If that's not enough then too bad, it is for me.
>>4090318Eh, I kinda agree, shipfags all need to fuck off but I'm more interested in whatever Kris and Noelle have in the game than trying to make Kris and Susie work romantically.
>>4090303More krillinposting coming to a Chapter 6 near you
>>4090256because god forbid letting the game have another Berdly
>>4090330The problem is that the Vessel doesn't exist as a character, and 99% of everything related to it is headcanon.
>>4090282No anon! The only thing that matters is themes and such!
>>4090328Is Chapter 5 appearance was so tone-deaf.
>>4090340>If SFB is about NoelleLiterally one of the first lines of the song, “Two friends started out as neighbors” how the fuck could that possibly refer to The Vessel?
The issue is simple. Kriselle, and the Vessel, are an existential threat to each other. You cannot have Kriselle and also have the Vessel back in your hands, if you have Kriselle then there will be no Vessel, and if you have the Vessel, then there will be no Kriselle. This is the source of the conflict.>but what if-It won't.
>>4090349Can you remind me the moment we decide Noelle's name?
>>4090348The entirety of chapter 5 is tone deaf. Who the fuck thinks that was an appropriate follow up to Ralsei getting blood smeared on his face?The biggest issue with 5 will always be its number.
>>4090336Is this why you're seething so hard? Because someone's has an interpretation different from yours? Plus SFB is about the player x the girl, it wouldn't be Kriselle in the first place
>>4090352This applies to Side A too because Toby will make the Vessel and Kris FUCK.
>>4090358LOVE WINS foreshadows this.
>>4090340>Two friends started just as neighbors>Noelle's song is girl next door>Even if the only things you say are yes or no>ch2 Noelle mentions how Kris gives direct answersSounds like Kris and Noelle to me senpai, unless there's some time fuckery and Kris somehow erased your vessel as her friend
how much of all the bullshit in DR is actually necessary to set up the fever dream ending anyway?
>>4090360You know, Mew Mew and Maddie predicted all of this.
>>4090262how the hell did Orange even find Pink? Not even GOLD interacted with Pink
>>4090353That's your one and only argument. But you're overlooking the most important thing. In the video, we see the Hero and the Princess jumping into the lake together, holding hands. Just like Kris and Noelle in Chapter 5.
>>4090369And you're forgetting that the girl knows she's in a videogame and she's in love with the Player.Besides, SFB is not the only song with references to Side B. Or are you forgetting about The Greatest Living Show on purpose?
>>4090366Pink was hunting for protein and found a little human Pink has begun overfeeding it with pipis to make it plumpy and juicy
>>4090353>>4090369Wrong webm
>>4090366No idea, probably to set-up a cat and mouse friendship kinda like the dog and cat with Kris, it's weird how the other flowers didn't find her, Flowery i'm sure knew but didn't care because he's always busy with Asgore
I miss the times when "Lancer is the real prince of the dark" was a completely reasonable theory.
>>4090361He's saying that the song would be about Soulelle if it was about Noelle, which is true because it's a player x the girl song in the end.
https://youtu.be/qFow8LkHtlUAddress me.
>>4090380Er... this implies bad things for Noelle so I will ignore it.
>>4090372So you're admitting that the girl from SFB is Noelle and not The Vessel?
>>4090384No because I think the Vessel loves the Player.
>>4090375I think is just afraid/lazy of dealing with the plot consequences of more lightners showing up in the dark world after Berdly.Toriel was sleeping and jitterbugging, Undyne and Asgore got abducted, Gerson was already dead, Maddy will likely remain a neet in the school closet.
>>4090366animal instincts made her the only one good enough to findher.ogg
The plural of "pipe" is "pipes".PIPESPIPIS
I'm going to laugh so hard if, in the end, the Vessel never actually shows up in the game. Just like Gaster.
>>4090379The girl still interacts with the player avatar which in this case would still be Kris, she still her neighbor even after the resetIf anything, this is more likely to be Kris x Player x Noelle
>>4090205lolcow documentation was a mistake, the day the farms are forced to go off the clearnet (they've come perilously close more than a few times because they keep pissing off DDOS preventing services) will be a red letter day
>>4090385>Vessel loves the PlayerNice headcanon, bro. We don't know if the Vessel even exists. We don't know if it will appear in the game. We don't know if it can even survive without a soul. We don't know if it's even alive. Anything you say will be headcanon.
>>4090262so after she's accepted then she ends up not talking to anybody? i think having at least three interactions with three other flowers wouldve been nice>>4090345i wonder how toby will handle Pink being a lightner-darkner thing when the Pink fight is entirely optional
>>4090389Imagine if Suselle's sapphic magic is what saves the day in Deltarune. Imagine if 7B just bricks your saves forever again. Imagine how /v/ would react.
>>4090396If you visit Asgore's shop in Chapter 6 you will find the Mad dummy Ghost taking care of the flowers. The dialogue changes depending if you fought her or not.
>>4090396Same way the thrashed church was handled.
>>4090393Stop posting screencaps, you're annoying. I hate people who post screencaps.
>>4090205>PicI don't like it when Catti is drawn so thin.
>>4090398That would be an honestly mature character development instead of her neet maxing on castle town, but I have no clue what could possibly justify (in a non shitty way) her staying quiet about the dark worlds being real.
>>4090380This song might not be related to Deltarune at all. We know that 74 and SFB are related, though.
>>4090405Maybe she thinks nobody would believe her?
>>4090387She's human though.
>>4090405>staying quiet about the dark worlds being real.What do u mean by this, if anything, Kris and Susie are keeping the dark worls a secret too because they are dangerous, Susie retardation with Noelle aside of course
>>4090393>The only SFB reference is about gray turning into blueHmm...
>>4090407Maybe? But if she coincidentally started yapping about the same things Asgore was yapping for years, right after he and Undyne got captured, maybe others would start paying attention.
>>4090410I can't believe the Vessel is gonna be Blue colored.
>>4090412Mantle foreshadowed this, actually.
>>4090393>>4090410It might just be a metaphor.
>>4090396Offscreen talking lmao, just like how Sans befriended you're mother offscreenBy best guess is that Mew didn't do that much in 5 to save for 6, i geniunely believe her shop dialogue was meant for 6 but Toby saw people complaining about the vagueposting
>>4090406It may not be related directly but Toby often uses the same artistic language for his works as he does for the WR. It probably was his dream from that day after all.
>>4090398isnt the point that she wanted to have her body and that she was gonna go to castle town so she can be her true self or some shit? what was the point of the fight making pink and the ghost get along if she's just gonna dick around and shove the flowers up her ghost pussy instead of using her body at castle town?
>>4090418Isn't the point of the game that you shouldn't take the dark world thing too far?
>>4090418She will probably ask Kris to take the doll with him kinda like Lancer and Rouxls and visit the shop or Mettaton, so the ghost technically will still be a catgirl
>>4090189I doubted the foreshadowing for 5 so hard I was able to enjoy Flowery on the spot despite him being nothing of what I wanted or expected. The tiny little hope I had for 6 (and for 7 by pricy) died after that newsletter confirmed almost nothing will be addressed, which is frankly the better path after what all those chapter 3 teasers made me expect.
>>4090143I'm reminded of the criticism that most Yellow main characters are just humanoid furries but I've realized the same goes for Deltarune
>>4090420yeah but how is toby gonna handle that with a trans allegory at the same time?
>>4090432Even in UT all the main characters had a humanoid form (both Flowey and Mettaton get a transformation), and most of those were animals.All new monsters in DR are anthros, and all important Darkners have a humanoid body except for Eram and Orange, and both are debatable for various reasons.
>>4090433IDENTITY ISSUES ARE NOT ALL TRANS ALLEGORIES
>>4090433he won't ;)
>>4090436But the UT ghosts in particular are
The guitar riff that plays when you seal a fountain is cheesy and kind of cringe
>>4090436anon, cmon, mew mew is the clearest trans allegory
>>4090341Doesn't matter of its mine if I'm only allowed to do one thing with it at the very end of the game
>>4090245>The holiday manor's layout has been perfectly designed to resolve every single mystery that has been built up for the last 5 chaptersWhich is exactly why 6 won't go there.>>4090276>he literally said that we shouldn't worry about the pacing issuePerson who wants people to buy his product and shut up about its problems: "My product is good actually so shut up"
>>4090441The purpose of games is not the things you can do in them.
>>4090443>Person who wants people to buy his product and shut up about its problemsToby Fox is not such a person in my estimation.
>>4090220There was one thread where they actually were pretty bad and tried to pin it all on nonexistent Susellefags, or at least I assume Suselle posters are just being realistic about Toby's lesbian fetish and don't actually ship Suselle themselves, but since then Kriselle posters haven't been any worse than any normal poster here so the complaints are hiro.
>>4090446That opinion is interesting but not concerning. We know Toby is easily butthurt and that fan opinions live rent free in his head.
>>4090436Napstablook is the only NORMAL ghost
>>4090445Yeah they are. Games are for fun.
>>4090256Because they understood that by this point in the game you'd want it to be over already.
>>4090454Since when?
>>4090456Always. They're products of entertainment.
>>4090318Kriselle is a better ship for the story but Krusie is a better ship for the characters.
>>4090456Arguably since the moment unlimited continues were invented.
>>4090339Nice, though it's lame how every artist has to be on x since no actual art platform ever has a chance of making you popular at all
>>4089941a basic gameplay loop that reward the player for soaring people and not just getting extra dialogue. you're working toby too hard pls understand
>>4090366Orange is the only one small enough to fit through the keyhole
>>4089941In a post chapter 7 update along with hard mode and new game +, TRUST
>>4090445>create this concept of a vessel for your soul to inhabit >theoretically it would allow you to do things you current vessel could not>only allows you to do one thing and you're aren't allowed to do anything else and it's the end of the gameYou see the missed potential? I do.
Now that I think about it, what kind of bullshit is it for Toby to tell us what to expect for Chapters 5 and 6, or rather, what not to expect? For the first one, he spoiled that it would be the last carefree adventure, and for the second, that we'll learn something major. So basically, that's two chapters where he heavily implies the plot won't move forward.But you fucking cunt, let me discover the story myself! What is this nonsense? It's not even the episodic format that's forcing him to do this. Yet here we are, plot progression stuck in the exact same loop since Chapter 3: The Knight captures people and Kris opens Dark Fountains. With nothing else alongside it. Wow. PEAK WRITING.
>>4090454Fun comes from whatever the game presents me. Not from specifically fulfilling some goal in the game that I also learned of in the game.
>>4090379>SoulelleNo better than Suselle considering each entered her life around the same time.
>>4090408Humans are animals.
>want to try the kriselle chapter 0 mod>need to register to download>try to register>"A server error occurred. Please try again later"FFS I even tried logging in with github. Work already.
>>4090445wrong
>>4090471what are you talking about, the /doe/ mod or is it something else?
>>4090416This dude does not understand physics.
>>4090464The things you wanted to happen aren't the "default" that Toby somehow had to make in the process of creating the game and then pave over with the current Deltarune. Those things were simply never real options to begin with. So I don't see "missed potential", I see you demanding the story back up and let you undo specific choices of Kris's that you feel somehow delayed the ending.
>>4090466There are things in a game that I can never find fun, and i cannot force myself to enjoy them. The mandatory homo shit, for example, nothing can make me find that fun and you have no right to demand me to support it.
>>4090465The explanation is that Deltarune wasn't originally planned to be released piece by piece and the current release schedule is a compromise that had to be done as a result of Toby's inability to get the game out in a timely manner. It feels weird because it was never meant to be released like this.
>>4090435All the canon porn I've seen makes Eram humanoid
>>4090325the true protagonist, the true hero, the true love interest, the one who can actually do things and avoid the fate that's oh so bad. gets discarded for suselle and meandering until chapter 7. also ruins all ships because the player has just as much if not more influence over the characters than Kris and that ruins it for people who self insert as Kris
>>4090471Why are we always oppressed wherever we go...
>>4090477Nobody demands you support it. In a Deltarune where you get your vessel from the start, it's still being written by Toby Fox who doesn't think gay people are evil, he's still going to have some casual gay couples somewhere. At best you can prevent our timeline's lesbian couple, that doesn't mean there won't be a major lesbian couple.
>>4090465it's toby damage-controlling because he knows that people wont like it and will have already lost on the game, so his only manoveur is to tell us what's gonna come next to distract people from the game's issues as an attempt to lessen the doomfagging
>>4090476Well, yes. Stop delaying, I'm tired of the delays and bs. It bothers me.Dump the vessel if you only want to use it to do one thing, don't use it at all.
>>4090481>you get to make choices as Kris which ruins the game for Kris self insertersDidn't think that one through, did you?
>>4090483>Toby Fox doesn't think gay people are evilWhy not?
>>4090474https://ayakamods.com/mods/deltarune-chapter-0.3763/Some anons mentioned a chapter 0 mod so I assumed they meant this but I can't make an account to try it.
>>4090487The "delays" are just the fucking story. What's being "delayed" is the ending of the story. The point of the vessel is not to let you "really play the game" but to point out how no part of the game is there by default.
>>4090471>Chapter 0 Kriselle Mod (to play, replace chapter 1's data.win with it):https://mega.nz/folder/UFwTED5Q#uvSLH-fiGlVw8uUGkW1ewQ
>>4090476it is missed potential from the perspective of the user (readers/players) since they only experience the work from start to finish and don't know what's going to happen ahead of time like the creator, so expectations will obviously be set as you experience the workyou can't expect the user to have the same expectations as the creator because they lack context and can only work with what they are given, and so far, the game gave the idea it was going in a different direction, so obviously some people will feel rugpulled about it>>4090491this is the "official" link (replace the data.win file for chapter 1 with this one) https://mega.nz/folder/UFwTED5Q#uvSLH-fiGlVw8uUGkW1ewQ
>>4090483Memeber that time where all the darkners who shove in suselle into their dialogue completely unprompted?I do, that tainted the castle town forever. Remember that Berdly explicitly told you to vote Suselle like a cuck? I do.Remember that ending where the darkners bend to Susie again over this? I do.I don't find homo shit evil, just gross. Butt sex is kind of gross, actually. Demanding I promote it and call it normal, that's evil.
>>4090478>that had to be doneNo one, and I do mean no one, EVER forced him to do this. He wanted to drum up a continuous stream of hype throughout the release of this game to stroke his ego rather than just make the game and release it. There are so many issues that have come up as a result to the point where like half the game is developed around fan feedback and complaints rather than just making his literal dream game the way it was intended. We're essentially getting the localized butchered version of what Deltarune was supposed to be.
>>4090464deltarune is a post modern game anon. literary devices such as chekhov's gun are old hat and thusly add to media illiteracy
>>4090478But you're not addressing what I'm saying. WHO is asking him to spoil what's going to happen ahead of time? Can't he just leave it alone? There are already 400 unanswered plotlines, why come rub our noses in the sh*t? If the guy were a film director, he'd announce in the trailer that the plot actually starts in the last 20 minutes. It's so mediocre.
>>4090495Yes, but feeling like the game has gone in a different direction from what it initially implied and saying that it's failing to provide you with content are different claims. One approaches it from the angle that the game is lying about what is there right now out of spite for the player because you aren't supposed to do [thing], and one from the angle that you were misled about the game in the past and [thing] wouldn't be happening soon if at all.
>>4090496I demand that you promote it and call it more normal than hetero shit.
>>4090496Yeah, I'm saying that my estimation of "Deltarune but you're in the vessel" just replaces those moments with another lesbian couple. At best it's one the MC isn't as central to.>I don't find homo shit evil, just gross. Butt sex is kind of gross, actually. Demanding I promote it and call it normal, that's evil.No demands are made. You're demanding the game call it gross and have nobody be gay. Toby doesn't agree with that position so he would never make his game like that.
>>4090500For the last newsletter in particular, it was damage control. Basically, he knows some people are angry that 5 left many things unresolved, and he knows 6 will also leave many things unresolved, and he is afraid that people are going to get mad at that too, so he deliberately said to not expect too much for 6 as a way of lowering expectations and hopefully make less people get mad when 6 releases.
If the Vessel wasn't discarded the main Deltarune ship would Vessel x Kris.
>>4090478>and the current release schedule is a compromise that had to be done as a result of Toby's inability to get the game out in a timely manner.the real reason why is because toby is a narcissist and couldn't bear to see the fandom moving on after the ch1 release, so he decided to hook in the fandom and use the newsletters to keep the hype afloat
>>4090510>toby is a narcissist>because uhhhh chapter onesome of you niggas needa proofread your posts
>>4090494>>4090495Thanks bros.
>>4090432That's only if you count the Lightners and ignore literally every singlr darkner.
>>4090504>No demands are made. You're demanding the game call it gross and have nobody be gay. Toby doesn't agree with that position so he would never make his game like that.nta, but while that's true and im fine with gay people existing (especially since i'm bi), i find it revolting that toby makes every npc to tell us to be a cuck and to support suselle, that's both unrealistic and forced cuckoldry
>>4090513>>because uhhhh chapter onei literally said AFTER chapter one, get your eyes checked first.
>>4090450>We know Toby is easily butthurt and that fan opinions live rent free in his head.People really like to make shit up about Toby.
>>4090510any post saying toby is acting in direct response to his fandom in total defiance of a decade+ of ignoring and disregarding undertale's and deltarune's fandoms should be tossed into the nearest wood chipper at everyone's earliest convenience
>>4090518I think that's mostly a matter of them having no reason to believe Kris wanted Noelle or Susie. He only made friends with the latter four days ago and he distanced himself from the former intentionally. It doesn't feel like the player being told to accept it.
>>4090520But he should've let us shitpost about Asgore making roadkill out of Dess while he told us heartfelt things about the underground...
>>4090520People seem to be trying really hard to turn him into a pastiche of Andrew Hussie by assigning him 500 billion behaviors he has never once displayed.>oh he's passive aggressive toward the fans>oh he's antagonizing the fanbase>oh he's defensive in this newsletter>oh he's not writing the game the way i wantIt is literally just Hussie complaints.
>>4090503Friendly reminder that Toby Fox lives in a gated community with no blacks.
>>4090526Yeah, people seem to forget that these malicious motives were ascribed to certain moments in Homestuck because Hussie had made his opinions explicitly clear outside of the work itself and not just because bad things happened to your favorite character.
>>4090504Then he shouldn't be selling it to children. Literally has one of the characters grooming one of main leads into thinking its normal.
>>4090503We love Blue here
>>4090530Part of it is also Hussie actually is the shithead these troglodytes keep trying to paint Toby as, I have a laundry list of reasons Hussie is worthy of contempt and scorn ranging from hackery to entrapment of fans and fan archival projects under illegal NDAs, but Toby meanwhile the most dirt that exists on him is "he was Problematic™ as a teenager" and "he is, somehow, still friends with Andrew Hussie and friendly to the Homestuck project after everything that's happened."
>>4090508Kressel is already really popular despite it being discarded.
>>4090532I remember there being an anon mad that male ballerinas shouldn't wear tutus and ballet was a big deal in his home country, but I guess since it isnt the US or japan toby doesn't care about offending cultures like that
>>4090529Same here, no lesbians, gays or trans too. I have never meet a single black person in my life. I only know they exist thanks to movies and books.Weird creatures honestly.
>>4090526truehe is a tad bit defensive however
>>4090531He isn't selling it to children, he's selling it to teens and up.
>>4090531>Then he shouldn't be selling it to childrenPoopy Joe?Is that you?
>>4090526the last newsletter felt pretty passive aggressive alongside all the battat stuff in chapter 5. then we've got that issue with the play testers not like the boards in chapter 3, and most people ragging in chapter 5 being such a nothing chapter we got an emergency lore patch to keep people sated until next June.
>>4090515Sexo Kris.
>>4090536>Toby HATES brown countriesBased!
>>4090541NO NO NO NO!YOU'RE RAPED AND PISSED AND SHITTED AND CAN'T READ
>>4090541>emergency lore patchHuh?
>>4090567Pink's dialogue about FRIEND was added post-release but pretty quickly after.
>>4090541>the last newsletter felt pretty passive aggressiveFor schizos who decided Toby Fox is personally spiting them, maybe
>>4090569all looked like pretty normal dev explanation process to me, besides a funny lack of blue exposition compared to the other flowers
>>4090572Because if he actually got to say something, he'd say the original design was female
>>4090569to me it felt like he is setting up damage control, which defenders will use verbatim like they use the "toby said it was one last fun chapter!" as an excuse when you criticize chapter 5
>>4090574I think Blue was always an okama.
>>4090576>to me it felt like he is setting up damage controlBecause it is that. What other reason could he have to address pacing and talk about what can be expected from chapter 6? He know 6 isn't gonna answer a lot of stuff, and that people might get angry about that because they had different expectations, so he's just saying it right away so that people can go into chapter 6 without having the wrong idea on how it's gonna go.
>>4090526>>oh he's passive aggressive toward the fans>>oh he's antagonizing the fanbaseFrom what I've seen the two sides to this point are>"I can genuinely feel a level of animosity from how Toby speaks">"The other side is a bunch of schiziods who's words and opinions mean nothing to me"So I think I know which side is more reasonable>>oh he's defensive in this newsletterThis one is undeniable though. He is literally DEFENDING his choice to make the chapter shorter pre-emptively, already predicting the argument people will make against it. That's being defensive, there's nothing else to call it>>oh he's not writing the game the way i wantI love how you think putting words in other people's mouths when you tire of engaging with them is a point
>>4090579Nah. Man. The original design was a slender fairy lady with butterfly wings that had a long tongue to drink nectar with. Whoever decided to make this character a man should have been fired.
>>4090583From what I've seen the supposed>>"I can genuinely feel a level of animosity from how Toby speaks"Usually comes along with something akin to>"toby is being mean to the characters I like"Which is why I write it off.
>>4090587But he is being mean to them. He took legacy characters from undertale and used this new game to drag their names through the mud
>>4090588What? You don't like the new Toriel x Sans? Lmao
>>4090588No one from Undertale is being impacted aside from Sans, though. The rest of the Undertale counterparts are exactly as you left them, still untainted, still exactly as they were written and intended.You don't have to treat any of the console version details or alarm clock app details as canon, because Toby's cool with letting you do whatever the fuck you want with your perception of the world of Undertale per the 10th anniversary stream.Hell, even if you don't like what Deltarune's doing to set up the tragedy that mindraped Sans, you can still say "fuck you, not canon to MY Undertale" and give YOUR Sans an origin you're OK with.
>>4090507>many things*literally everything aside from flower kingdom and getting one code.>and he knows 6 will also leave many things unresolvedSo do we because WR is skipping it.
>>4090589No, actually. Portraying my favorite character in undertale as a drunken whore who ignores her son and invites strangers into the house is not good.
>>4090588Those are the original incarnations of the characters. You see simplified versions of them in Undertale, which generally makes their flaws less clear as the plot is more about big life and death stuff and not all of their flaws really play on that level. Toriel is one such character, her flaws only become really apparent when everyday life is in the spotlight, she pulls off the "perfect mom" act for like a total of one day across all of Undertale, and it's always special days, her first day with a new child.
>Everybody wrote off Spamton as the funniest guy ever because his schizoboss episode was kino>People did kind of get peeveed off by Rouxls Kaard trying his throuple bullshit>BlueSo does Toby write those characters using his experience with getting groomed or something
>>4090594There you go again, letting yourself be so thoroughly RAPED by Deltarune that it's retroactively tainting your ability to enjoy Undertale because now all you can do when you look at Undertale's cast is remember their Deltarune counterparts.Which means Toby did it, he successfully made people think of Deltarune before Undertale for at least one person. He won.
>>4090520Chapter 5 wouldn't have played out the way it did if fan opinions didn't live rent free in his head.
>>4090596but rouxls was at his funniest in ch3..?
Most doomposting in this thread is entirely downstream of Suselle's canonicization. Like 90% of the complaints here are either entirely hallucinated or is nonsensical bullshit that people made up, because they realized complaining about Suselle for every post of every thread would make them look like a schizo.
>>4090597Maybe he just shouldn't have done it. It's like when the Last Jedi turned Luke Skywalker into a hobo who drinks green milk and hates everything.
>>4090599i thought it was funny but having it persist past chapter 3 in any format made me roll my eyes honestly
>>4090532Performatively wholesome art style.>>4090536Honestly despite the intention, just about everything about Blue is offensive.
>>4090601See, that's setting one character's canonical future in a way that's directly at odds with their old characterization. Different from what Deltarune is doing to any character since it isn't the "future" of the same setting. You know that's what the problem with old Luke was, right? It wasn't just that he wasn't a happy go lucky good guy anymore.
>saw this thumbnail on my feed>for a split second I thought I saw TennaAm I going insane chat
>>4090596>getting groomed or somethingWas he raped by a deer or something?
>>4090587How about this one for size thenI could feel an animosity with Zenlooker immediately mocking me for trying to find a single secret in the platforming segmentI could feel it when Susie and Ralsei blatantly stated things only the player looks forward to when fighting a secret bossWhenever "The World Revolving" and such buzzrunes were repeated ad nauseam I could feel itWhen I fought the literal "Trashy Trio" who overused secret boss tropes in their entire fight I could feel itI know Im not the only person who's brought up having problems with these, and none of them are about the treatment of a character, but still you choose to single out the bad actors as representatives of the entire point so you can consider it null and void. And dont even start with the "They're just jokes", there's a point where you're bantering too much and its clear you have something on your chest, Toby has passed that point
>>4090606probably by that [hochi mama]
>>4090605I saw Dess for a second so you are not worse than me
>>4090544Hey look, it's my two least favorite flowers.
>>4090601Not at all. Undertale Toriel does not canonically become Deltarune Toriel some years after Undertale. She's still the innocent silly old lady from the Ruins who doesn't know what a Hometown is, never met or raised a Kris, and her worst flaw is passivity because she'd rather continue nursing a grudge towards Asgore, who had a completely reasonable reaction to his two children being murked by humanity when he was just starting to feel hope that coexistence would be possible again.
>>4090583>there's nothing else to call itYes there is. He is EXPLAINING. An explanation is not necessarily a defense regardless of what feelings you project onto it.
>>4090607the trashy trio was 'fine' until the mikes came in and sharted all over the place what the fuck was that shit?
>>4090613DEFENDING something is a form of EXPLANATION you fucking ignoramus
>>4090607Doing something hard and your reward being the game telling you to go outside is an ANCIENT fucking bit and anyone who legitimately felt "animosity" from that deserves to be laughed out of the room.I think "Toby is being mean to the patterns I like" is pretty similar to "Toby is being mean to the characters I like". Both of them display attachment to some optional symbol as if it was important.>And dont even start with the "They're just jokes"They're just jokes. Yes. All of them. Some of them are laying it on too thick, the buzzword spam felt gratuitous just like its precursor did coming from Ramb, that's true. But to see any of this as "animosity" is a fucking joke.
>>4090607>Oh, the RALSEI NEEDS A HAT thing again, huh!?You really can't forget this part either.
>>4090607>I could feel an animosity with Zenlooker immediately mocking me for trying to find a single secret in the platforming segmentSomeone can't take a joke.>I could feel it when Susie and Ralsei blatantly stated things only the player looks forward to when fighting a secret bossFair.>Whenever "The World Revolving" and such buzzrunes were repeated ad nauseam I could feel itToby Fox is using "The World Revolving" as an actual concept that represents something. You read it as a meme because the fandom reads it as a meme.>When I fought the literal "Trashy Trio" who overused secret boss tropes in their entire fight I could feel itWho cares.>there's a point where you're bantering too much and its clear you have something on your chest, Toby has passed that point"TOBY FOX CALLED ME MEAN NAMES!!" Grow up you fucking faggot, holy shit.
>>4090385I love when people make shit up and then present their headcanons as if they hold any water in any discussion
>>4090619Maybe the concept of The World Revolving should've been recurring instead of being a concept solely used by Jevil for the past 8 years, and then suddenly everyone and their mother is using it in Chapter 5.
>>4090619>Toby Fox is using "The World Revolving" as an actual concept that represents something.Yeah thats why he made the stoner flowers say it, there's a very deep reason why that is the case
>>4090395>We don't know if it's even alive.It was at least conscious and sapient enough during the Goner Maker sequence for Gaster to reassure you that (IT WILL NOT HEAR.) when he asked how you feel about your creation.
>>4090621Perhaps. I do think it's slightly clumsy. I'm not a fan of every individual choice in the game. But I'm not going to default to assuming it's him responding to a fandom meme by doing it verbatim, that's not at all his style.
>>4090621>>4090622I don't know anon, why WOULD he do that? Let me hear your interpretation.
>>4090600>every opinion I don't like is actually a Suselle complaintMind = broken.
>>4090624>But I'm not going to default to assuming it's him responding to a fandom meme by doing it verbatim, that's not at all his style.>"Yeah, I was really... Chuffed by that dart"
I want to see who here actually still likes Deltarune and who is just here because of sunk cost or similar.https://strawpoll.com/bVg8BOdA1yY
>>4090612Then I wish deltarune never existed. The only thing people can see now when looking at that character, is that. That was a choice on the part of the writers, they wanted the audience to see that when looming at Toriel.
Would you guys like Mike if they looked like this?
>Deltarune if this thread wrote it instead of Toby
>>4090607>gamers aren't snowflak-
>>4090628Even Chapter 2 had fandom poisoning.>Ralsei moved to click on an ad with a bunny on it teaching you how to make friends...>...and accidentally clicked on an ad of a machine gun that appeared over it!
>>4090627Look buddy, i don't like Suselle either but at some point you have to admit some of the complaints in these threads are really fucking stupid and aren't actually genuine.
>>4090628Yeah? I didn't exactly see Ralsei take out a blunt and light it up and strike that stupid wide pose. He wasn't doing the fandom meme verbatim.
>>4090632You forgot about Kris being a tall boy and Noelle sucking his dick and hating on Susie whenever she can.
>>4090613Exactly, it's not *necessarily* a defense. But is it a defense in this case? Why non-defensive reason does Toby to give explanations that preemptively lower their expectations for the next chapter?
>>4090616No, but I can see why you view every explanation as a defense when that's the only thing you use an explanation for.
>>4090614And then he whined about people expecting good leitmotifs from him AGAIN with Cap'n.And then people turned that into a Gaster shitpost lmao
>>4090632Chapter 5 is already full of dialogue just like this. Why did Aqua need to make a reference to Napstablook in a cafe scene that was a joke about plant racism?
>>4090641Because he wants to minimize disappointment and thus increase how much people enjoy his game...?
>>4090631i would like if the Zapper and Shadowguy were also a bit distinct like the Pippins but I like TV World's enemies as they are anyways
>>4090640But i like kris as a short boye
>>4090632That's just Spamton style dialogue
>>4090608>[hochi mama]>"YOU AND THAT [HOCHI MAMA]. YOU'VE BEEN [MAKING], HAVEN'T YOU? MAKING [hyperlink blocked]. AND NOW THAT YOU'VE GOT YOUR OWN SUPPLY, YOU DON'T NEED ME!"He meant making love, isn't it? I'm still surprised Spamton called Noelle a hochi mama (sexy, filthy girl)
>>4090644Because the Patience Soul is connected to the Ruins and by extension to Napstablook or Toby just felt like referencing them.
>>4090638I can admit that without arbitrarily attributing all of them to one type of complaint.
>>4090645That's a pretty defensive reason.
>>4090600s*selle is shit by default so it's more fun to complain about something else
>>4090632ramb is literally like this in game though >Oh, it was CHAOS, CHAOS like dude, stop, you're not that guy
>>4090641He's just saying what the chapter will be like, you're reading into it and projecting too much.
>>4090652But EVERY human is connected to the Ruins because that's where they all first fell, and this is the sole line Aqua has that references Napstablook. So it's more than likely just referenceslop, which makes Toby no better than that Ramb edit.
>>4090658Ice e means nothing. It's too late now.
>>4090639whats this then
>>4090651I'm more surprised because Noelle doesn't look remotely hot outside of fan art. But the text is obviously supposed to invoke the idea that he is initially speaking about sex, which is why [Making] is such a hilarious way to say it.
>>4090641Because the reception to chapter's 3 and 5 were caused by people building up ridiculously high expectations for the chapter, then getting mad when their unrealistic expectations weren't met? Chapter 4 is the only well recieved chapter because people had absolutely no expectations for it, and i can guarantee people would hate it if 3 and 4 were released seperately.
Oooooh Kris THAT DAYTHAT INCIDENT... That terrible DAYOoooh Kris remember THAT DAYI remember THAT DAY THAT INCIDENTKris, let me tell you about THAT DAYOoooh that TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DAY
>>4090661God I want to fuck that Ralsei. Sorry, were you saying something about how you're upset and obsessed about something?
>>4090651Well, Noelle is canonically a masochistic freak so he is not wrong
>>4090657There's a ton of things he could be saying about what the chapter will be like. Why specifically did he choose to say something that will lower peoples' expectations instead of something that will get them excited for the new chapter?
>>4090659Patience is more connected because her items are all left there.
>>4090664If the game did it once, it can do it unlimited amount of times and get away with it each time.
I was going to make this big theorypost about ERAM and his relation to Chapter 6... but i won't because this thread sucks ass.
>>4090607No different from an sjw complaining about some male character in a video game raping her by existing, holy shit.
>>4090670Do it and Kris will suck your dick.
>>4090670It was probably some extremely retarded shit that would get proven wrong when the next chapter releases anyway.
>>4090671Don't tell me to do a 100 percent run of my shower if I showered before I booted up the game
>>4090661Something that's not in the game and shouldn't be taken as canon? Because if you take this as canon, it basically spoils that Deltarune will get its wholesome chungus best ending where the worlds are saved, everything seems happy-go-lucky, Castle Town gets to stay, and it's been fine long enough for autumn to turn into winter so the cast could celebrate Valentine's Day.
>>40906634 was pretty dope, it was only really let down by not revealing anything at the end. You build up all that tension in the finale and make people excited to see at least a glimose of what it all means, then smash that panel and immediately do a filler arc. It's just a little tone deaf.
>>4090661Toby ghost writer
>>4090670Good. Your theory would've been yet another installment of "what if the game sucked even more than it already does" anyway.
>>4090675>Because if you take this as canon, it basically spoils that Deltarune will get its wholesome chungus best ending where the worlds are saved, everything seems happy-go-lucky, Castle Town gets to stay, and it's been fine long enough for autumn to turn into winter so the cast could celebrate Valentine's Day.This will happen in the normal route.
>>4090664Fave said this.
>>4090675Canonicity was never part of this discussion, it's only about how Toby reacts to fandom memes, and this is one of those reactions where he verbatim references Ralsei smoking rolled paperMove the goalpost all you want, Im not fucking blind
>>4090674>I showered
>>4090667You could say literally anything but you choose to keep talking about some newsletter you misinterpreted.
>>4090664I hate Asgore.
>>4090666Hi, Satan/ERAM!
>>4090670This guy was optional, he's never showing up again, he had his chance in chapter 5
>>4090667Because everyone at this point knows it that the game won't actually start until Chapter 7. He's reminding everyone that this will indeed be the case, and Chapter 6 is the final cocktease before the basic elements of the story are finally allowed to be revealed or progress from the states they've been in since Chapter 1 or Chapter 2.
>>4090679Honestly what I'm hoping is that Normal is a fake route that doesn't end well in the long run but the route's actual ending implies that you won and everything is fine and doesn't even hint at other endings or that it isn't the real end, then you only find out the truth about it in Twisted and/or Weird.
>>4090663>Because the reception to chapter's 3 and 5 were caused by people building up ridiculously high expectations for the chapterPeoples' expectations for chapter 5 were only as high as chapter 4 made them. If Toby wants to manage peoples' expectations, he should do so through the story, not through his newsletters.>>4090683Way to dodge the question. If you have nothing to say then why bother replying?
>>4090676we probably WOULD try to attach some crazy priest schizoboss or something to it though
>>4090691>If you have nothing to say then why bother replying?The irony.
>>4090676The vagueposting at the end was inexcusable. Don't expect me to give a shit about the story if you don't show it to me. Don't demand I have an opinion on something I didn't see.
Kris is actually a good person and a great friend but /vrpg/ isn't ready for that conversation.
>>4090697I reinterpreted the last prophecy scene to actually show it.
>>4090676It's retarded. Why even implicate it if it's SO big that just knowing it would risk players connecting all the dots and knowing the story before Toby's ready to show it in Chapter 7? Don't even include that shit, let Ralsei be successful in hiding the Last Tragedy so Susie isn't in the know. It would justify her Chapter 5 behavior a little more because she'll assume Knight's a non-threat now because they're destined to save the worlds with no caveats.
>>4090695I demand that you have an opinion on it and that you support Suselle and renounce your heterosexuality.
>>4090702Get away from my games faggot.
>>4090702Toby, chill.
>>4090704Do it, I demand that you cater to my whims. You love it because you love to hate.
>>4090695Nobody actually gives a fuck about you.
>>4090707Subversive traitor.
>>4090701>Don't even include that shit, let Ralsei be successful in hiding the Last Tragedy so Susie isn't in the know.funnily enough, this is what the "what if noelle and berdly were in chapter 4" vid doeshttps://youtu.be/LK8MqNLQr8M
>>4090664This is why weird route is superior. It actually feels like things are happening instead of just vaguely being alluded to.
>>4090701I guess because his storytelling style at least when it comes to mysteries is limited and works best in shorter stories, even in UT a lot of characters knew the plot already while talking around it telling you nothing and there was plenty of vagueposting but some questions were actually answered along the way and characters had full arcs before the end so it wasn't annoying like in DR which instead of adjusting just took that model and stretched it seven times as long.
>>4090701>To save the worlds there is only one way>The doe and the lizard must stop being gay
>>4090711Which Monster Hunter is this
CoL standing in the beach when he leaves his phone's adaptive brightness on and its brightness keeps going up:>REEEEE MY MISSION I HAVE TO DO MY MISSION AND MY PHONE KEEPS DISOBEYING ME WHY SHOULD I CARE ABOUT MY PHONE IF IT WONT LET ME ADJUST THE BRIGHTNESS MYSELF REEE!!!
>>4090711ironic given its the route that relegates an entire chapter to 3 light world scenes and then skips a chapter all together
>>4090716Me when I write smut fanfics about some random shitposter I think about constantly
>>4090716You saying col caused his complaints?
>>4090662Toby forced Temmie to make her ''prettier'' for ch2 so the wr could be hotter
>>4090712It made more sense for Undertale too because it wasn't worrying itself over the player solving its epic story. All the vagueness and confusion was in service of making you wonder what kind of leader Asgore was, as well as the fact a 12 year old girl like Frisk shouldn't be burdened with the knowledge that "hey, whether or not you've been trying to prove Flowey wrong about this world... yeah, with Asgore, it IS Kill or Be Killed. Sorry, kid." until the very end when all she wants to do prior to setting up True Pacifist is leave.
>>4090607Imagine being this thin skinned playing a tumblr game lmao. Are you the guy complaining Blue being a black man ruined your dreams?
>>4090662everyone in hometown says noelle is very attractive though
>>4090716im chuckling imagining him as some npc on the beach saying this with his back turned toward kris and noelle drowning
>>4090721Deer milk...
>>4090711Despite the fact the entire route has just been vaguely alluding to some worse than death outcome
>>4090721Damn Noelle is STACKED
>>4090727Yeah, for everyone that's not the Soul.
>>4090723If it ruined my dreams I wouldn't be at it trying to change the design
>>4090698Kris is evil because he barely tries to stop the WR
>>4090733Yup. He puts in more effort to stop you from learning Knight's identity (or lack of) than he does stopping you from corrupting Noelle and mindbreaking an already traumatized doe.
Fucked up how Toby already said that how he structured Chapter 6 will make sense "once we play Chapter 7".Deltarune is basically an endless chain of "trust me bro".
>>4090735So much for there being something more importanr than reaching the end. He can just lie now.
>>4090733Doesn't matter, evil is hotter. Noelle feels the same. What I want is for Kris to start enjoying it too. I would love it if they begin to smile again in ch 7B and go back to being the malicious gremlin they were as little, except now much more dangerous and real.
>>4090736The "something more important" is making the Pure Crystal, finding all the Eggs, and recruiting All Darkners. You just don't get to see how any of that comes to fruition until Chapter 7.
>>4090736>So much for there being something more importanr than reaching the end.See, that's the neat part, he's going to intentionally make the ending suck. It's supposed to be a "You shouldve been enjoying the journey, because the destination was never the highlight" type thing
>>4090742Can't enjoy the journey when everyone is conspiring to make it as unfun and filler as possible, and it's clear not even the characters themselves are enjoying the journey anymore.
>>4090736i mean whatever is more important than the end doesn't mean the ending shouldn't be important
>>4090740>Pure CrystalI wonder what it does. A shadow fragment show us broken dreams, what about a pure, whole crystal? A dream with hope?
>>4090742I wasn't enjoying the journey though, he added mandatory homosexuality and forced me to watch. I didn't enjoy how I was told to go to get the shelter code at noelles house and got punished for trying to go there twice with a filler dark world explicitly designed to stall for time.
>>4090743That's because you're so focused on the ending, all Kris was trying to do was distract you from the godawful reveals so the journey could remain untainted by it. You shouldve been grateful you were allowed such a journey disconnected from any endgoal, that you could have an adventure where every day was the same as yesterday
>>4090740I don't want to recruit all the darkners though. I think Tenna should have died to the knight. And I hate the mad ghost and I don't want to see it again ever.
>>4090749The journey tainted itself when the challenges in the dark world were made artificial, only being there to waste time. Do not call it an adventure if you're not allowed to accomplish anything.
>>4090749>"you don't get it, the game is intentionally shit because that was the point the author was trying to make!"maybe this thing would fly 10 years ago, people are getting tired of being preached to by the media they consume
>>4090743If you don't like the game you should stop playing.
>>4090584So, Toby? The original design is just an Okama like Mr. 2 from One Piece.
>>4090730>for everyone that's not the Soul.Nobody escapes the Toby's Marvelous Misery Ride.
>>4090754I hate one piece. Like, I despise it.
>>4090753
>>4090600This is obvious when you realize all the negative posting only showed up after the Chapter that canonized it released.
>>4090755the player is above consequences no matter how much toby cries about it (unless you're a console peasant)people will just mod the game if they don't like what tobias is preaching
>>4090754Fire him and replace him with a conservative. Don't care.
>>4090738We have ERAM saying that Kris likes it, but Kris is surprisingly resistant to the wr corruption unlike Noelle, you have to force him out of bed and when you abort he continues with the plan with no problem
>>4090749His efforts failed because Chapter 4 forced us to confront the horrible truth of the adventures. No one is having fun anymore.
>>4090758there was some doomposting even before, but that was people dreading the suselle would become realreally if the plot had advanced despite suselle being canonized, people would be less harsh on the chapter. even predictions that liked suselle included stuff like the festival being actually important or asgore making the dark fountain and the chapter exploring him more/the escapism of dark worlds instead of absolutely fucking nothing
>>4090611Holy shittaste.
>>4090750Too bad, you have to if you want the best ending. Just like how you have to let Alphyne happen in Undertale, even if you hate Alphys and don't want Undyne to lez out.
>>4090631Uooohhhh loli Battat ToT
>>4090152Was our <DELTARUNE> just an IRL Shadow Crystal...?
>>4090759>(unless you're a console peasant)iirc you could like homebrew mod the game
>>4090759>(unless you're a console peasant)What are the odds Toby does something that requires modifying the files directly and has to do what ddlc did and ruin the magic by making it an in game file manager because of consoles
>>4090757>not using the DR edit
>>4090772that's literally what the oneshot rerelease did too
>>4090759True but I like my actions having consequences so as isn't something as lame as like>Erm why did you play my alt route that I clearly wanted you to find and play it's all cool
>>4090698This places loves sucking Kris off, what they aren't ready for is that Susie is a good friend and Kris isn't.
>>4090776I love sucking Kris off
>>4090767I modded alphyne out of undertale lol
>>4090775as long as it isn't*I mean
>>4090716Kek.
>>4090776>the reason I tried to bite your face off is because I was jealous that you had a girlfriend and i was totally gay the whole timeGross.
>>4090772>>4090774Tourists and their effects on the internet and tech industry have been a disaster for the human race>>4090777Noelle...
>>4090777Trips of truthKeep sucking
>>4090738They will be used up friend.
>>4090776i just want her to tell me what's up with her life man.
>>4090759You can just delete your save data in consoles.
>>4090721Beauty standards for women are out of control, even a 4 can't be accepted and needs to be made into a 5 instead.
>>4090759Cant us consolefags just erase the game data? At least i Remember on PS5 you can do this.
>>4090765>really if the plot had advanced despite suselle being canonized, people would be less harsh on the chapter.Me when I blatantly lie.
Kris Susie and ralsei dressing like ghostbusters to suck the mad ghost up
>>4090784>YOU WERE USED UPYeah, YOU aka us aka the SOUL, not Kris. Kris and ERAM will laugh at you at the endNoelle will probably die tho
>>4090722Yeah that too, DR is all about the reveals and lore but that stuff was just things you end up learning on your way to escape in UT.>>4090724Look at the Hometown residents, most of them are fatasses and walking talking scribbles.
>>4090733Kris hates WR but he knows it has to be done.
>>4090742>what if the game fucking sucked?
>>4090796Why are thr hometown residents so retarded anyway. Their birthrate is dropping by the year and no one cares
>>4090738>>4090763>I just ruined Kris' life and mindbroke his best friend, why isn't he happy with me?
>>4090776>Susie is a good friendLMAO
>>4090800Why do you think Carol is calling Kris past midnight to make sure he takes Noelle to the festival?
>>4090759I think it's really telling that so many mods are being made and are almost all focused on fixing the game or its story or both.>>4090781>tried toStill peddling this lie after being btfo last thread, huh?
>>4090800Gaster's AI skills aren't all that great.
>>4090799Is there a single theory that doesn't get this reply
>>4090795I forget the name but there was some anime about a guy with a wish-granting tattoo and at the end he uses it to disappear and make everyone forget about him, that's what I want DR's ending to be I want it to relentlessly shit on the player then show how the characters all have happy lives now that you're gone.
>>4090806No, not anymore, because everyone was buck broken by Chapter 5. Everyone had to adopt this mindset of "Toby can do no wrong" to save their own disappointment, especially because he literally lied to everyone about who the Flower Man was.
>>4090806What is that reply even supposed to mean? Do they think whoever they're talking to is genuinely saying "The game will suck and thats a good thing" or are they just trying to own people for thinking its even possible for the game to suck
>>4090802Explain to me in detail why you NEED to go to the beach or why you think you NEED to go there with Susie.
>>4090806Have you tried not just constantly doomposting 24/7? The sad part is that it's true each time it's posted.
>>4090810Why not? You were allowed to go chill at the lake at the end of Chapter 4, even though the circumstances were similar (shit just happened, Susie is ready to wrap things up for the night) to Chapter 5.
>>4090812>BUT THIS OTHER CHAPTER-*slaps you across the face before you can finish* Whataboutism. Next.
>>4090810Because Kris and Susie did that in every chapter. It was a place for them to reflect.
>>4090802a good friend would not bar hangout spots just because they got a partner
>>4090809It's a smaller piece of a twitter post that got really popular as a means to shit on any theory or what-if scenario with zero effort involved because you don't have to actually explain yourself in detail.
>>4090801Dude, Kris likes it. It reminds them of when they and Noelle were little and Kris played with her in their own malicious way, which Noelle grew to love. ERAM outright says that deep down Kris is enjoying the ride.>but Kris does their best to stop usYeah, so? Noelle was also against it, but secretly wanted it all along.
>>4090814Susie reflects while walking instead, it's healthier than just sitting around like lazy amerilards.
>>4090795ERAM always refers to Kris when using YOU in Mantle, why would they refer to the Player for this line only.
>>4090803To suggest at a scene that led to the nothing that was chapter 5 instead out of nothing more than spite
>>4090819the narrator-san can't event decide whose soul is it. most of the time it's yours then there's a few times where it's kris's soul. it's all too vague
>>4090804If a Susie did that to me when I was a kid and my mom worked at the school I wouldn't have let it slide.
>>4090817>actually it's fine because I can interpret these other events to mean that it's totally fine while ignoring the very obvious signs that Kris hates itI pity the mentally well who cannot delude themselves of such joys
>>4090818>Susie reflects while walking instead She hadn't done that in the previous chapters and was happy to sit on the beach with Kris and talk for a couple of minutes. What had changed?
>>4090819Because the part where you are used happens before the fight with ERAM. Kris is still alive after whoever "YOU" is gets used up. ERAM speaks to Kris after the fight, not some literal who vessel.
>>4090822Yeah bro if I was in that school it wouldn't have gone down the way that it did. Still doesn't mean she ever actually tried to bite Kris' face off.
>>4090820Ooo, so close anon! The actual answer was "She wants Kris and Noelle to fix the birthrate of Hometown themselves". Better luck next time though!
>>4090823You pity yourself? What a pitiful life, honestly.
>>4090824Oh, so...something changed. Something...happened? But, the narrative? I thought nothing changes or happens until 7. Doomretards, our cope?
It snew
>>4090825Hero_Sword is not Kris, it's not even controlled by Kris by the time you defeat ERAM.
>>4090824What changed is that's the place she and her new girlfriend confessed their love hours ago and it's not an appropriate place anymore to reflect as she'd just think about that instead
>>4090829It doesn't really change much of anything for the greater narrative, unless "Susie stops introspecting while sitting and now introspects while walking" is somehow a part of the prophecy's list of destined events or is somehow pivotal to defeating The Roaring Knight and saving both worlds.
>>4090829The only thing that's changed is that Susie doesn't care about her friend anymore. Now she can only think about Noelle.
>>4090832Then why not say that? Susie's good at expressing her thoughts and emotions clearly, makes no sense to be vague about why they can't just go to the lake.
Would people hate Suselle as much if Susie was a boy?
>>4090837She's still getting in the way of Noelle so yeah
>>4090836>Then why not say that?Maybe because the writing isn't accounting the player is a fucking retard who can't read the room
>>4090837irrational people dislike suselle because it's lesbians. reasonable people dislike because it's shallow, boring, makes characters worse versions of themselves and takes up screen time
>>4090832So what? Is she now forbidding Kris from spending time with her there because of that? Wow, what a great friend Susie is!
>>4090838Okay, would you hate Suselle if Noelle was a boy?
>>40908374chan would hate Boy Susie even more aside from FemKris schizos, and the rest of the internet would be crying about how it's "yet another stereotypical heteronormative racially insensitive black-coded bad boy x white-coded sheltered girl" pairing that results in "nonbinary yuri erasure" given all the implications that Kris and Noelle almost had a thing going on before THAT DAY.
>>4090831>That's what i wanted to see! Flickering red, like pretty little flames... Your eyes can't hide it, Kris.Yeah, totally not Kris
>>4090842Noelle is getting in the way of Susie so yeah
Toby will be USED UP
>>4090827So when do we get that
>>4090836susie's been a brick wall on romantic knowledge since chapter 1. what changed between chapters 4 and 5 overnight? i just can't buy that Susie thought Noelle and Kris were dating before chapter 4 when everyone who knows Kris said that their only friend was Asriel
>>4090844Eram is referring to the real Kris beyond the Mantle game, you know, the one that actually has eyes unlike Hero_Sword?
>>4090839It's hard to read the room when Toby is actively changing the temperature or retconning the temperature every chapter. Remember when we thought she was bullying Kris because she was envious of him being Toriel's child? Nope, it was ACTUALLY because she thought Kris and Noelle were dating, even though she never acknowledged Noelle's existence until Chapter 2!
>>4090837I hate it because it made Kris a cuck, because it made berdly a cuck, because it made catti cry, because it infected the dark world, because it rewards Susie for treating Kris like shit
Anons, I hope you all have friends as wonderful as Susie.
>>4090851Nothing that you just said has anything to do with your inability to interpret a single bit of dialogue without being spoonfed
>>4090847Why do you think Noelle took Kris to the lake? So she could get him to fertilize all her eggs resting at the bottom of course! That's why we're timeskipping past chapter 6, when 7B(abies) hits the scene you'll get what you're asking for, guaranteed!
>>4090853susie's the real protagonist of deltarune. get used to it...>please have mercy on them...please have mercy on Susienope
>>4090843It's true, us FemKrisfags would love the big guy...
>>4090850Cool so how does that imply he's happy with WR when literally nothing else does? You're a complete idiot.
>>4090857Susie will die because she's a greedy dragon.
>>4090855Because the dialogue can have its meaning change between chapters, so there's no point in analyzing it NOW when its meaning can be altered later.Only in Chapter 7 will you be able to analyze the game in confidence because there will be no more surprise changes waiting to happen.
>>4090854I would not have a friend with ripped jeans who eats school property
>>4090854all teenagers do this when they get a partner. they want them to be a part of everything! it's realistic and that's good apparently
>>4090858Disgusting
>>4090853Berdly was always a cuck.
>>4090857Give me my money back if you don't vakue me.
>>4090841Susie isn't forbidding Kris from going to the lake. Kris in fact is perfectly fine with that, they're so fine they won't let you say no to walking with Susie. Everything about Suselle's relationship happened with Kris' consent because of reasons we don't know yet. You need to stop projecting your feelings into characters then assuming they feel the same as you do
>>4090860What you're talking about?? I thought we were talking about ERAM somehow referring to the Soul with the "YOU WERE USED UP".As for ERAM's line, it kinda feels like victim blaming because Eram wants so bad for Kris to be the worst version of themselves. I dunno, because Kris keeps on trying to fix what happened in Side B until they're completely broken in 5B.
>>4090835is that the case, or did the smashed prophecy say noelle's love meets an untimely end so she jumps on it like a grenade because she's convinced she's the only person nobody would miss
>>4090864It's is a good thing because it's believable character development. The problems arise when low IQ people who were self inserting as Kris suddenly see this and are like "wait...Susie just turned ME into the soi wojak!"
>>4090861you know we're gonna have to fight Kris tooth and nail to kill the lizard. then we're either not gonna be able to do it until chapter 7 or not at all and she'll show up like hey guys not dead or something
>>4090870The last panel says KRIS AND NOELLE WILL [MAKING] and Susie will heroically prevent this terrible fate
>>4090871>"DOOD its realistic that means its good!!!"
>>4090851>it was ACTUALLY because she thought Kris and Noelle were datingthat's something to be put into question cause remember she just told Noelle yesterday she didn't know they were a thing
>>4090864>>4090871I don't give a shit that all teens do it. Susie is a terrible friend. Fuck her.
>>4090868Then don't expect me to like it and unconditionally support it
If [Hyperlink blocked] is love I thinks it's L.O.V.E. not actual love.
>>4090879You could just stop playing the game if you don't like it
>>4090710>Suselle written better than in the actual chapter 5>Ralsei's development not happening because the lightners are doing a great job distracting eachother>Kris and Berdly defeat the Titan off-screenKino.
>>4090807>>4090799
>>4090868>Kris in fact is perfectly fine with that,This is what Kris looks like at the end of the chapter, and he walks off into the distance to the sound of a sad piano. That stupid bitch Susie is going to drag Noelle into this mess - the girl he's trying to protect >>4089418
>>4090819Because those people self-insert so hard as Kris that they think the SOUL us just some literal who and not (you)
>>4090881And let the invasion succeed, are you nuts?
>>4090876You don't get to say this after several weeks of "well in real life a lot of lesbian relationships involve domestic violence so instead of the wholesome dino woman Noelle should choose the guy mutilating her finger and pressuring her into killing people instead"
>>4090878Its not even just Kris either, Susie is almost never actually in Ralsei's corner when he's getting upset with Flowery. She makes a weak attempt to make him feel better but she still completely abandons the idea of helping her friends solve a puzzle just to have drinks with the guy ragebaiting her friend
>>4090878with this context it makes it seem like susie was playing dumb about Noelle's advances and is generally envious of Kris's life so much so that she bullies them. but then we also learned Kris likes the bullying. what are we supposed to take seriously? is Susie going to get absolved of everything and cut heroically or something?
>>4090823Kris can>remove the SOUL to prevent your actions like seeing the guitar code>have conversations with the SOUL inside>play the piano perfectly fine so the SOUL isn't handicapping him>interrupt your dialogue choices like when Susie asks Kris if she getting in the wayKris is SO FUCKING EVIL for doessy
>>4090878I'm still pretty sure this is a retcon since Noelle and Kris barely interacted at all between that day and ch1.
All I'm gonna say is that a lot of people here are gonna be BTFO by chapter 6.
>>4090881How about not selling propaganda?
>>4090882>Suselle written betterThat's not possible. Suselle is trash at its core. Susie and Noelle had their first conversation just 3 days ago.
>>4090884He's down because Susie is basically a dude and she wants to bring in a girl to the boys club
>achieved 1000 posts in less than 24 hours againSchizo posting is powerful I guess
>>4090892The fix to these things is just believing the Soul is far more willingly to enforce it's will compared to Side A.See the ME scene.
>>4090894You could say this about any future chapters before they come out and always be proven right.
>>4089490it would honestly just depress me m8. I was unfortunately an edgy shit who couldn't just enjoy things. It wasn't until I was already well into being an adult did I start truly being myself. I was on /v/ at that time but avoided it for "looking faggy"
>>4090891The actual problem here is Susie is lying. She told Noelle she didn't know they were close but later tells Kris she was jealous because they were a thing. Unless Toby straight up forgot between a year she's fucking lying for some reason
>>4090884>Kris is completely apathetic to everything for 4 chapters>nah he's fine we don't know what he's feeling anyway>Kris walks slowly that one time in ch 5>omg I can read his face and heart anons he's so sad!!
>>4090898Shipping and "game sucks" are the most popular topics for the game since that's what it focuses on
>>4090891>but then we also learned Kris likes the bullying.Or maybe it was just a silly joke.
>>4090896Don't get me wrong, it's still somewhat forces, but in that video, it's all initiated by Noelle instead of Susie suddenly deciding that she likes Noelle romantically off-screen, it's taken slow.
>>4090837The anti-woke fags wouldn't but the Kris self-inserters would.
>>4090899>can't see the shelter codesDoesn't matter, that's my will and the game punished me for going in the one single direction possible to progress the game.
>>4090851>even though she never acknowledged Noelle's existence until Chapter 2!she says to Noelle the reason she didn't pick on her was Noelle was nice to her when she first came to class.
>>4090906He does nothing to stop her so if nothing else there is at least a chance he was into it. We already know he's a freak, he has sadistic tendencies but might be the kind of sadist who becomes a masochist in the presence of a more powerful dom.
>>4090891Susie's a weenie and her bullying was always a facade. She's all bark and no bite. Kris felt compassion for her situation.
>>4090903https://youtu.be/-JfnD2L73LI?t=179>The cheerful music stops abruptly, and a sad piano melody begins to play as the scene cuts to KrisYeah, bro, Kris is totally happy with how things are going. No need to worry.
>>4090911>He does nothing to stop her so if nothing else there is at least a chance he was into itMaybe it's needed for the plan? You're looking at it too superficially.
>>4090912she slammed them into a locker my guy. the locker was still broken too. she said she was sorry but come on she needs a few consequences for being a generally crappy person
>>4090894This but also both versions of 7.
UT/DR music isn't even actually good, it's earworm music that convinces you it's good simply because it's catchy but the songs themselves are honestly kind of trash.
>>4090897Anon, Kris himself said he wants to protect Noelle. Susie is going against all his plans by inviting Noelle to the party.
>>4090913The game still expects you to support it because the game naturally expects that you support suselle
>>4090902that's what makes me think she saw something terrible happening to noelle's love in the prophecy and thought>it's kris, isn't it>okay, screw that>I'm noelle's love interest now and always was, and I have to believe that 100%>they can be happy once I'm gone
>>4090629I like the weird route That's about itI'm hoping something interesting may happen with the twisted sword in chapter 6
>>4090914*sigh* The FUCKING plan again...>>4090915Kris said he enjoyed it which creeps Susie out a little and that technically means he raped her, you're saying those consequences aren't enough for you? Retroactive literal rape?
>>4090918That can't be, WR apologists told me he's actually perfectly cool with us hurting Noelle.
>>4090907>it's taken slowFor it to happen slowly, you need to make it so they've known each other for a few years. Not like they just talked to each other for the first time THREE FUCKING DAYS AGO.
>>4090902and there's the problem. everyone's hiding and lying about their true motives.
>>4090925I should have said "slower".
>>4090918And? Do you think Kris hates Susie and thinks she's an awful friend because of that? What about Kris hiding they are working with THE FUCKING KNIGHT?
>>4090921Ah, the good ol' "everyone is suicidal and trying to out-martyr each other" angle.
>>4090929It's for the grea'er gud.
>>4090891>No, it was Kris, just barely stifling some laugh.>But, Kris, with their gamer reaction speed X) Held up their notebook like a shield and blocked it diagonally, bouncing it into the air...>And actually CAUGHT the apple.>Then took a bite out of it.>Gosh, though, did that make Susie mad.Kris was mocking Susie's bullying attempts, she was never a threat
>>4090931You don't know that. We still don't have ANY concrete certainty of the core motivations of Kris or The Roaring Knight (who unironically might not even be the true Roaring Knight of prophecy because of how uncertain, unclear and prone-to-surprise-reveals Deltarune is as a whole).
>>4090913We know what upset Kris looks like. We know what upset Kris does to communicate that he is upset. This is not it.>Kris is totally happyNobody said that. Kris has more emotions than sad and happy. But you are projecting right now. You had no problem with Kris beating the shit out of you on WR when he was actually upset, don't pretend you suddenly care about what he feels.
>>4090932this is from the arg I'm guessing. this should be in the game if it's characterization
After reading through these threads I no longer feel bad for anyone offended by the Mikes segment. With the way you all act you got what you fucking deserve and I hope he does it again.
>>4090935Spamton Sweepstakes, yeah. Which means it's in "not canon but could be revisited in-game" territory, which means it'll be rewritten to be worse because Toby's on his Hussiefication streak.
>>4090935Why? The game isn't about story so story parts don't belong in it.
>>4090939Yet the game pretends the story is all that matters because it's valuing vagueposting the story and mediocre romance drama over fun gameplay and cool adventures.
Hussiefication is when Toby does things I don't like.
>>4090937I'm offended that he chose to include shitty fandom-referencing humor in his supposed dream game magnum opus.
>>4090918We don't know Kris' plans. Stop brining up speculation as if it's a fact.
>>4090662i think she's supposed to be cute in a more grounded waynot a knockout bombshell but she has the kind of face that brightens you day when you see it
>>4090942You mean like he's been doing since Chapter 2? You've had plenty of years to get off the ride before the sunk cost fallacy became too insufferable, masochistic pig.
>>4090919>the game naturally expects that you support suselleOnly on the surface. If you dig a little deeper, you'll find that the entire festival is littered with hints that Suselle will crash and burn.The Ferris wheel ride: When Kris and Noelle ride together, Susie couldn't hit their window even once, and the wheel makes a full rotation. When Noelle rides with Susie, the Ferris wheel only goes halfway.The Hammer Game: The bell rings only when Kris and Noelle are playing this game. Noelle syncs up with Kris regardless of whether you hit early, late, or on time. When Susie plays with Noelle, Susie completely ruins it and hits the bell too early, so Noelle doesn't have time to react, and the bell doesn't ring.The King and Queen game: shows us that Noelle still has feelings for Kris and is still drawn to him.
Did you know not liking a video game is a sign of mental instability now? Better turn that frown upside down champ!
>>4090941Can you just not do things I don't like? Why is that so hard.
>>4090937Toby lied to me about the last fun adventure tho!I came to deltarune with a mission
>>4090945How did he reference the fandom in chapter 2?
>>4090937Toby will bait and switch more, it's what he does. He specifically guides players to something to then dismantle it before their eyes.
>>4090830it snewed?
>>4090946>you'll find that the entire festival is littered with hints that Suselle will crash and burn.Just like how the heroes were destined to crash and burn against the Titan, right?But then Susie bruteforced it with "GET DUNKED ON!!!! (epic undertale genocide reference)" and they won.Susie will bruteforce it again with her romantic endeavors, and it'll work out. Because she's the special ed protagonist who gets everything handed to her on a silver platter.
>>4090943See >>4089418Yeah, we don’t know his plans. But one thing is certain: Kris wants to protect Noelle. Kris told Noelle this himself when he visited her between Chapters 3 and 4. Kris distanced himself from Noelle because it’s part of the plan. One aspect of this plan is protecting Noelle. In WR, Kris just can’t take it anymore and goes to talk to Noelle in private. His voice was literally trembling during that conversation because he finally decided to spill the beans. Of course, he didn't tell everything, but he said enough to jeopardize the plan.
I...I like Deltarune...
>>4090950One of Ralsei's R-Acts against Poppup directly references Gun Ralsei memes.>>4090637
>>4090843imo male susie would probably still get flak from femkrisfags more feminine guys seem to be popular with femkris, like ralsei or noel
The thing about artistic talent is that it's something you're born with, if you weren't good at it then you never will be, so that's why it makes sense for Susie to be jealous of Temmie's art skills.
>>4090954>But one thing is certain: Kris wants to protect Noelle.yet he doesn't stop us from doing weird route in the first place lol, if this was really his life mission he'd be trying way harderbut no, he puts in more effort to stop you from learning anything about knight
>>4090953>susie already violated the way things are supposed to go by beating the titan>actually the heroes were supposed to fucking die in ch4what
>>4090960They were going to be in eternal deadlock. A foe that's too powerful to defeat versus a team that could theoretically dodge forever under a skilled enough player.
>>4090942The game is a social experiment.
>>4090953>Just like how the heroes were destined to crash and burn against the Titan, right?But, Anon, Susie wasn't able to hit the window even once while Kris and Noelle were riding the Ferris wheel. She won't be able to break the bond between Kris and Noelle. She'll break her greedy teeth on it. You'll see.
>>4090959>yet he doesn't stop us from doing weird route in the first place lol, if this was really his life mission he'd be trying way harderHe's trying, but we're just too strong. Kris was literally fighting us for control all day. In Chapter 5, we weren't able to gain full control over him until late in the evening.
>>4090960i assume he means that the heroes were supposed to btfo the titan with their power, but susie was too weak to do it and ralsei is holding back for some reasonalthough that would imply that kris is supposed to have the blackshard, which seems to not be the case given gaster and ralsei's reaction to 'beating' the knight
>>4090959Your entire life is cherrypicking.
>>4090961Do you have any reason to believe this? The prophecy going beyond ch4 implies the heroes getting stuck fighting their first titan indefinitely was NOT part of the plan and Susie's special ed plan worked because it was enough of a springboard for what was fated to happen.The problem being that when Noelle realizes there really is a "script" and Susie is fucking playing INTO it, there's no guarantee she'll be able to keep playing her part anymore.
>>4090966It's still retarded that Ralsei canonically considers a random knife shuriken that deals like 20 damage at most more dangerous than a Titan, literal spawn of the apocalyptic end times.
>>4090956A single blink-and-you'll-miss-it gag that ambiguously references some old meme is in no way comparable to writing two several-minute sequences across two separate chapters that make absolutely no sense unless you're familiar with the obsessive theorist side of the fandom.
>>4090968Noelle will get caught in a logic loop mindbreak when she realizes her realization of the "script" is also part of the script, and even her own epiphany is still blindly following the path ahead of her, because she's literally incapable of acting out of the script's parameters because DELTARUNE is not a game that supports fully original autonomous behavior without a pre-written script.
>>4090962It's a propaganda game literally created to spit on people who like normal non-subversive games.
>>4090969it's because uhhhh ralsei cares a whole lot about susie now and he didn't in ch4 right after their heart to heart about being honest with each other and their fears
>>4090970We wouldn't have the Mikes if we didn't have the Gun Ralsei reference. Toby got comfortable giving fandom a nod, and when they went "omg he's one of us!!!!" he took it and stretched it.
>>4090937I'm just lost as hell cause like Kris is hiding seemingly devious plansWhatever the fuck is Noelle's problemSusie is volatileAnd Ralsei is trying to challenge fate while staying within the rules cause he's too afraid of what happens by letting loose
>>4090972Gleeful refusal to ask questions because it might "subvert" the status quo deserves to be spat on.
Ooooh that terrible PROPHECYSusie, that LAST TRAGEDYOooooooh Susie that terrible LAST TRAGEDYLet me tell you about the PROPHECY SusieKris, Susie, we need to prevent that LAST TRAGEDY ooooohThat TERRIBLE TERRIBLE PROPHECY
>>4090976The game doesn't let you ask questions lol
>>4090976What do you mean, "ask questions"? You literally aren't allowed to do that. You have to hope retard Susie asks a question and that someone is willing to answer her instead of vagueposting about it or getting interrupted by a new quirk chungus Darkner or a so fanny epik joke.
>>4090973No he doesn't, he bends for suselle and has every darkner in castle town do the same
>>4090955Me too.
STOP ITYOU PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE A SHADOW CRYSTAL WITH THESE COMPLAINS
>>4090983Consequence of Susie being a delusional retard who thinks she can make Castle Town into her new forever home, Kris barely stays there so the Darkners don't really think to accommodate him, meanwhile with Susie there constantly her will is constantly influencing the Darkners to play along with her desire for never-ending fantasy fun, all while she starves because she's eating dust motes instead of real food.
>>4090946>When Kris and Noelle ride together, Susie couldn't hit their window even onceI don't want to contradict you because I also agree with you, but Susie does manage to hit their window in an unused aborted WR scene.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujCHr6pHkVs
I tried making an iceberg chart of theories up until this point and I added everything I can remember, but I still feel like it's missing a lot and need you guys to suggest me anything and say in which tier it should go, especially for the last 2 tiers, but entries for anything are good. Make any suggestion for anything really I want this to be as conclusive as it can, feel free to ask for an entry's meaning too but I think almost everyone here should know them.
>>4090987Don't force me to play along with it.
>>4090988>unused>WRIt doesn't matter.
>>4090989What the hell is Leder?
>>4090990The game can be turned off at any time. You aren't being held at gunpoint, forced to play Deltarune or else. Just uninstall, and never look back, if it makes you THAT upset.>B-BUT MY MONEYShould've thought better about your investments than spending them on an unfinished product, one you have no idea how it's gonna turn out.
>>4090979>>4090980Asking questions about the structure of a non-subversive story is how you get subversion. Every subversion is the result of someone trying to make a story that doesn't present what they saw as a logical failing of some other story.By demanding stories not be "subversive" you demand they follow some arbitrary set of traditional tropes as a prescriptive format.
>>4090992Lederdump, basically a gigantic loredump tying every loose end of the plot in the last 10 minutes of CH7, something similar to Undertale's end
>>4090978It's why I like the dialogue when you ignore Ralsei cause Lancer gives even less to work with and they try to figure out the rest themselves>Wait, why DO we want to stop that?>Uhh, I dunno...>I guess I could go ask my dad?>I could tell you!>We GOT this.
>>4090989I like the most deep theory.
>>4090989I would say to add The Greatest Living Show if you added 74 and Skies Forever Blue.
>>4090992NPC from Mother 3, he's a weird-looking but ultimately irrelevant silent character for the whole thing. But since Mother 3 had a really troubled development cycle, they weren't able to fully implement and explore all the worldbuilding and lore they had, so they had him reveal his true nature as a knower of all things in the final chapter, and he exposits a FUCKLOAD of lore onto you all at once.Because of how Deltarune's going, and how much Toby likes aping from his inspirations, some assume Chapter 7 will have a similar moment where a character just starts expositing without ever shutting the fuck up because of how many dangling threads and unspecified elements that need to be solved that are relevant to the core story of Deltarune.
>>4090983does he bend for suselle or is he just trying to dissuade (you) from being in a position to manipulate noelle he seems to take no issue with krusie
>>4090992Leder is a character from Mother 3. Mother 3 is actually good and you should consider playing it
>>4090937Holy based.
>>4090947It is when you post about it 24/7
>>4090989BP parallels?
>>4090992guy who exposits mother 3's largely irrelevant background lore to lucas because he's aware the world is about to end
>>4090989I will have to go for now, but leave any suggestions for entries or some of which I should switch their place and I'll do it tomorrow>>4091007Burgerpants parallels, the whole BP/Nice Guy/Bratty/Catty fiasco in Ch5 seemingly has parallels with the Fun Gang + Noelle
>>4090972Get spat on.
>>4090993Then don't act surprised when I leave and tell other people what a piece of shit the game was instead of worshipping Toby Fox's supposed masterpiece. That shit doesn't get forgotten about.
>>4090607You're talking on white knight central, these fags will feel threatened by the most quaint criticism.There is a real possibility 4chan will have Deltarune defenders for longer than tumblr or twitter.
>>4090978kek
>>4091009Maybe you could switch the Hometown Massacre and Papyrus Knight placements?
>>4091010Get deported.
>>4091012Reminder that Pluey is an actual furry.
>>4090989If shitpost theories are allowed there's Eram/FRIEND is Chara and thus a catgirlI guess there's also the theory that Undertale is Deltarune's world post reset, Deltarune is Gaster's simulation, Kris is Frisk/Chara/Cyan Soul and the sink theory (Kris is Chara and Frisk fused and will be separated in two halves)
>>4091012Dude you're replying to someone whose idea of Toby showing animosity is a "you play too much, go outside" joke.
>>4091011You're still here though. You've been complaining since Chapter 5 first came out and haven't yet left to go commit to your holy crusade of warning people about Deltarune's poor quality and unfulfillment.You're so RAPED by your need to get mad about Deltarune that you've let it taint your ability to enjoy Undertale, because all you see when you look at Undertale is Deltarune, and you get mad.Toby. Fucking. WON.
>>4091015Yeah, done>>4091018I put Doelester so FRIEND Chara Catgirl wouldn't be too absurdI will also add that UT theory you put, but a man has to get his beauty sleep
>>4090954>Kris wants to protect NoelleCorrection: Kris tells Noelle that he wants to protect her. But since when are we taking the words of Kris The Motherfucking Traitor at face value? Here's a better question: why does Kris have the thorn he removed from Noelle's finger on his person in chapter 4? It's not even an item in his inventory, right? He had every opportunity to just throw it away. Why does he have it ready? Well here's what I think: Kris' actions towards Noelle can be interpreted from a pragmatic point of view. Kris needs Noelle to be out of his way for his plans to succeed. To this end Noelle absolutely can not be awakened. You've seen what happens when she wakes up. Kris can't shit done, Noelle outright overwrites everything he has planned, whatever it was. But let me schizo out for a moment here. This goes beyond just WR too. Noelle is constantly removed out of the way or is utilized to remove Susie out of the way. Susie wants to find Holiday's sjelter code? Bam, she's now busy with Noelle and Kris can prevent you from getting shit done alone. Susie wants to get serious about searching again? Bam, she's now in the Flower world thinking about love. And Susie getting Noelle into Castle Town? Well, that removes them both leaving Kris to do virtually anything without a care in the world. Suselle is so convenient for that purpose that Kris imitates the "close our eyes and think about what they're doing" thing to prevent you from doing anything to break it off, and then Noelle is immediately removed from the scene to let Kris create the Flower world. Very fucking convenient huh?But why fear Noelle so much on NR? She's the Kris master. Not only she has memories Kris potentially wouldn't want you to read, she also would notice everything wrong with Kris and what he's doing. A lot of Kris' actions depend on Susie being a blind retard and Ralsei being a passive boytoy. Noelle isn't like that. And she would get hurt because of that too.
>>4090989Add the "LOVE WINS"/Kris will impregnate the Vessel theory.
>>4090959Kris has two choices to protect Noelle: keep her away from the conflict, which is what happened through the Normal Route, or make Noelle stronger so she can overcome whatever is this threat in the WR.
>>4091018>Chara>catgirlReminder.
>>4091024The Vessel will impregnate Kris or Toby will be hunted down forever.
>>4090878Susie is a fucking rat. She's literally glad that Kris and Noelle drifted apart. In this very same chapter, Kris sees Noelle in the shadow crystal, holding a bouquet of flowers and smiling at him.
I support Susie getting a girlfriend because it makes anon mad.
>>4090989Add that the red flower could show up in 6 because of Rudy's room having a glass cage with them, and add Vessel is Frisk there, too.
>>4091024>LOVE WINSAh yes, LOVE aka Level of Violence
>>4091027That was a holdover from an earlier stage in development before he finalized the character of the First Fallen.If Chara were a boy, there would be no romantic undertones between Chara and Asriel, because there are no toxic gay relationships in UTDR. But their dynamic is extremely toxic, and Asriel outright admits a world without Chara is a world without love, so for such a dynamic to exist, Chara must be a girl.This explains why Asriel would confuse Frisk for Chara. Frisk is confirmed a girl as well as of the 10th anniversary stream as Toby considers the Alphys date to be a "girls kissing girls" tutorial, which can only be accomplished if Frisk is a girl.And if Asriel confused the two humans, that's yet more evidence Chara is a girl too.
>>4091027(tomboy)
>>4091023>Kris tells Noelle that he wants to protect her. But since when are we taking the words of Kris The Motherfucking Traitor at face valueKris said this without us present when he was alone with Noelle. He told Noelle never to mention it and not to talk to him about what he told her that night. We were never supposed to find out about that conversation, but Noelle just let it slip by accident because she was so eager to talk to Kris again.
>>4091027FACT: Toby at first thought of Frisk and Chara as boys and Kris as a girl.
>>4091037>because there are no toxic gay relationships in UTDRI imagine you are joking, right? Also, no, UT Asriel was gay af.
>>4091028Sorry bro, the silver cage is the one pregnant here.
>>4091031>"Hey, dude, it's a good thing you broke up with your girlfriend, right?">"Now I can have her for myself."With friends like these, who needs enemies?
>>4091043HUGE if true. I always wanted Kris to be a cute tomboy, don't care for Chara or Frisk.
>>4091043He then changed his mind later.
>>4091031okay this one's not fair to pick out because she's saying this due to how they were acting on the Weird Route, everyone's acting strange but refuses to tell her what's up
>>4091045But that goes against UTDR featuring zero toxic gay relationships. It also means Deltarune Asriel is gay erasure, because he should logically be gay if his Undertale counterpart is gay, yet Deltarune Asriel only had romantic situations with girls.
>>4091042Yes, he wanted to assure Noelle that she just had a bad dream so that she wouldn't wake up and ruin his plans. Also I think it's safe to assume that Kris is aware that we can read Noelle's thoughts anyway, since we get to reply to her thoughts. Do you remember that Noelle waits for you to allow her to continue talking during the couch scene, which allowed you to enter Kris as a result? She already has a direct communication line with (you) by that point. Hell, you could always read her thoughts on any route, more so than anyone else, since (these are mostly used for whispers anyways).
>>4091050>okay this one's not fair to pick out because she's saying this due to how they were acting on the Weird RouteIt's still a strange thing to say. It actually rubs salt in the wound.
>>4091046That's because the baby is (You)
>>4091031Susie's a rat for making a move on the girl Kris refuses to make a move on, but Kris isn't the rat for lying to her about opening fountains and working with the Knight, cool cool I see how it is
>>4091023If the narrator is to be believed, Kris literally can't throw away the thorn as of Chapter 4 (possibly Chapter 3) because the mechanics of the Light World changed.>(Recently, seems like weapons can't be thrown away so easily.)And naturally, the thorn counts as a weapon. He tried hiding it in the same place he hides his knife so (You) don't see it, but he couldn't stop (You) from pulling it out when you took over and wanted to Equip it.
>>4091045Post one toxic gay couple.
>>4091052Kris said in a trembling voice that he wants to protect Noelle. I don't think he's lying. As the Kriselle Ferris Wheel scene showed, Kris is a good guy. He's always looked out for Noelle.
>>4091058>the narratorIsn't that just Kris?
>>4091057>but Kris isn't the rat for lying to her about opening fountains and working with the Knight, cool cool I see how it isKris is trying to save everyone and break that fucking prophecy. Susie, on the other hand, blindly follows the prophecy like an idiot.
>>4091017don't throw stones from a glass house>>4091019I'm done with that sort of joke too.
>>4091053No? She asks Kris what's up with his behavior and questions if she's getting in the way of something. She isn't trying to flex her relationship there she's just glad Kris seems alright
>>4091063It's inconsistent in the Light World. Sometimes it's Kris, sometimes it's the omniscient narrator. No rhyme or reason on who it is and when.
>>4091063kinda sorta sometimes maybe not really it's very inconsistent whether or not the narrator is actually kris or some third entity
>>4091061Asriel x CharaKris x Noelle, since Kris is a they and thefore all Kris ships are gay
>>4091066>I'm a super sensitive baby bitch who can't handle any story that doesn't suck my dick nowWe can tell.
>>4091071So it's OK to misgender Chara despite being a canonical they/them, but it ISN'T OK to misgender Kris? Please remember that Toby never once used "he/him" for Chara during the 10th anniversary stream, even when he started talking about them.
>>4091068She's glad that Kris and Noelle's relationship is now "over". That's a shitty thing to say.
>>4091062No, I'm not saying he's lying or that he doesn't care about Noelle. Only that his interest in preventing her from awakening might lie beyond desire to protect her. That a lot of Kris' actions seem manipulative if we take into account that he has his own plans to take care of. And that if he truly wanted WR to be over, he wouldn't have kept the thorn.
>>4091072Yeah man, that's called being a customer.
>>4090989Is this supposed to be all of DR post chapter 5 or just chapter 5-7?>Add Layers of Fiction to Layer 2>Add Garbage noise = Shelter noise (layer 2?).>Human Dess should move up to like layer 2. >Sans' Bread/Mother glitch should move up to layer 3, it's an obvious reference once it's explained, so it not something contentious. >Add IMAGE_DEPTHS over the one of the final layers so there's not 2 pure black layers.>Add UNALTERED/NG+ (makes more sense in layer 5 but is funnier in layer 6 next to that toby face)Also why is Normal NPC separate from Onionsan Takoyaki
>>4091074GRRR SHUT UPYou are wrong and I am right, the end.
>>4091075She said "whatever's up" with you two. That's not the same thing
>>4091082It depends on how you interpret it.
>>4091070Remember.Kris's soul has>been abused since before you first hijacked Kris in Chapter 1, evidenced by the battered birdcage and bloodstain that Toriel doesn't give a shit about>acted without input from you or Kris, implying he's been conflicting with someone in control of him since before you got involved, ALSO evidenced by Noelle remarking that Kris has been acting weird for awhile now, which is why she gets so emotional about hearing "the real Kris" again in WR4>the ability to fully disconnect you from the game as seen in the end of Chapter 3, but it doesn't seem to be an ability KRIS can call upon else he'd be using it constantly in order to reclaim his life and fully reap the benefits of the soul's powers>its own agenda in the Weird Route, we don't know what we're accomplishing but the soul sure does given the utmost certainty it has in how it directs Kris's body in WR4, again, all without specific input from (You)
>>4091065Why can't Kris tell her anything?It's a common trope for friends to fail by not trusting each other. There could be a better way if Kris spoke to Susie but they choose not to. The lenghts Kris has gone with their lies cannot be justified by the ends. Even if the end result is Kris' martyrdom to save everyone, that's not the right thing to do
>>4091066Actual as in he dresses up, unless you're admitting that's what you do lmao
>>4091058Imagine if Kris pulled some other weapon like a bunch of cactus needles or a pencil and on Equip command just gave it to Noelle.
>>4091084Dude I'm not gonna interpret something else on a route where we are obviously the cause for Kris, Noelle, and to an extent Ralsei's odd behavior. Especially when Susie straight up asked if she was in the way
>>4091093Because that would risk the player figuring out the narrative and how to connect all the dots prior to Chapter 7. Thus, everyone must lie and vaguepost until then.
>>4091090>Bloodstain as evidencePoint to literally any moment in the game where the soul bleeds, any at all. I didnt see any splash the numerous times kris has ripped us out and thrown us about, including the time he was trying to beat the piss out of it
>>4091095Oh you meant a stereotypical furfag?
>>4091071Both of those are straight, you LOSE!
At first I thought this vtuber was just an idiot who didn't know how to play (which to be fair could be true)https://arch-img.b4k.dev/v/1789136265611.webmBut honestly I could also see this as fear of attacking and that's a failure on Toby's partHis aggression towards requiring pacifism in the other 99.9% of the game has made people petrified to fight. Even when the game spells it out like during the Titan fight, people are still apprehensive because they don't want to ruin their save and get a bad endingIf he doesn't outright start requiring fighting to deal with normal encounters, this is going to continue to happen
>>4091101Toby doesn't want blood spilling and scattering all over the place during the WR4 beatdown because he doesn't want to increase the age rating. But I can't imagine WHY the bloodstain would be right next to the battered birdcage if the two weren't related, unless this is another one of his infamous misdirects.
>>4091106The battle did establish earlier that even attacking flowery will result in your team working against you, I can see the fear of "If I attack Flowery, Susie and Ralsei are just going to start helping him"
>>4091101What if Kris stabbed themselves a while ago and has a literal gory hole in their chest?
>>4091105Since when Noelle was a man?
>>4091107>But I can't imagine WHY the bloodstain would be right next to the battered birdcage if the two weren't relatedThere was an actual bird in it before Kris used it for us and that's its blood on the floor. He just slammed on the ground and threw the corpse out the window
>>4091106Chapter 5 would have been perfect for a waku waku type enemy who WANTS to be fought in order to be recruited.
>>4091106I mean kinda get but at the same time unless they somehow found a way to skip EVERY bullet pattern in the Chapter that established attacking during platformer mode is okay they still do deserve some blame
>>4091106>>4091109Also, it took Toby literal weeks to fix the "Jack dies if you killed a Titan Spawn" oversight, so people were likely scared of attacking even against enemies where it feels "obvious" because they had to rationalize Jack's absence as Knight punishing them by going back to kill Jack, as Toby can NEVER do any wrong when he makes something unless the game outright crashes, and it won't be wrong until it's fixed later.
>>4091109That's fucking stupid, there's no pressing the fight button, there is no UI and you can do exactly only one thing which you've done in the platforming segments before. This is a player who hasn't played enough video games failing to use intuition
>>4091111Since when female deer have antlers?
My biggest hope for Chapter 6 is that Rudy will be part of the dark world and help the fun gang.Bonus points if his dark world design is just The Batter.
>>4090643>And then he whined about people expecting good leitmotifs from him AGAIN with Cap'n.Any solid evidence for that?I just can't wrap my head on how a moment that was meant to make fun of the fans turned into something completely different by the fans AND about Gaster himself
>>4091090i think (you) first arrived at the the end of the gooner maker sequence, the story wouldn't make sense if (you) were around any earlier i personally believe in hijack theory, which is that (you) hijacked kris' soul, but it's technically still kris'
I saw one review of Chapter 5 where the guy said he feels like Chapter 5 wasn't written by Toby and was delegated to other writers who were given a checklist of things they had to address and they just handled those things in the most jarring way possible to tick it off the list and when you see it like that, you can't unsee it>Asgore needs to realize he's abandoned his familyAt the end of the chapter he has this random speech where he describes that he's learned the error of his ways to let you know his character arc has been resolved>Suselle needs to happenSusie and Noelle talk about their heartbeats and now they love each other. Susie also randomly says "would Noelle like this" throughout the chapter>Ralsei has to get angryHis character suddenly takes a complete 180 where he suddenly has zero patience and also REALLY hates orange for no real reason? He also constantly talks about how "you don't wanna see me when I don't hold back!" as if he's some chunni pretending he has some secret dark power. Even if he really does have some power, it sounds hollow when he never actually shows us the consequence>FireShock has to be revealedRalsei uses it on a random shuriken in such a jarring way so you know he has that spell for later. (Honestly I feel like he should've snapped and partially burned Flowery before freaking out at what he's done)>The festival needs to happenThrow in like two attractions and you don't even need to animate the ferris wheel. We promised a festival and by god we'll check that off the listIt's just so artificial and unimmersive
>>4091116>so people were likely scared of attacking even against enemies where it feels "obvious"Nah cause that actually made zero sense considering Jackenstein's fate was determined in the cutscene prior. I understood it with Giga QUEEN but after that it was made pretty clear that if Toby wants you to fight you probably should start fighting
>>4091116It's funnier because sparing or losing recruits won't matter in the long run, Ralsei already said he thought being kind would change things, but it doesn't, the progression of chapters doesn't change, only with minor differences, all you get is some shitty features in the shitty castle town. There's no Pacifist Route in Deltarune and there never was since Chapter 1 but people are too stupid to let go of this mindset you'll brick your save because you won't see Jackenstein flavor text
>>4091106this also happens if you "spare" the bullet patterns early on, toby made them just go away if you refuse to attack which makes people just dodge without ever trying to attack even though the bullet patterns are just constructs and not "living" beings like darknerstoby should just have made them stay forever and ralsei just say "they aren't alive so its ok"
>>4091070no no no that's ignorant. the narrator should switch multiple times so you can't figure out the plot before the last second twist that recontextualizes everything
>>4091120I wouldn't count on that, given he is either dead or in a coma. We might get Darkner Rudy though, but we had Flowery last chapter so...
>>4091130It doesnt matter if you're smarter than everyone else realized that isnt the case, everyone else still rationalized it because they cant fathom the idea Toby made a mistake
>>4091122People obsessed with thinking Toby hates his fans can pretty easily read into this whole gag about Cap'n's downward spiral as Toby using Clover as an allegory to rant about his fans and their beliefs and expectations from how he does his music.https://youtu.be/QZx3ljmHE4c?t=1069
>>4091097Susie literally said a minute ago that she was jealous.
>>4091139and yet she's asking if they actually ARE a thing and if she's intruding on it
>>4091131Castle Town is fated to die out once Kris seals it. Unironically bringing more darkners will only make things more difficult, or not if you don't give a shit.>turns out Kris is filling Castle Town with darkners just to sacrifice them all at once, farming enough EXP to become powerful and beat the angel
>>4091145>and yet she's asking if they actually ARE a thing and if she's intruding on itOnly in WR
>>4091122>Any solid evidence for that?Yeah, it's called "reading the text".
>>4091148That's the dialogue we were fucking talking about dude
>>4091150So what? In NR, Susie is such a dumb bitch, and she doesn't even bother to ask how Kris feels about it? After all, she herself thought Kris and Noelle were a thing.
>>4091129>>Asgore needs to realize he's abandoned his familyQueen realized she shouldn't try to control people and open more fountains after two monologues near the end of the chapter.>>Suselle needs to happenSame thing in chapter two.>>Ralsei has to get angryIn chapter 4 he scolded Susie for healing out of nowhere despite being so supportive of it.>>The festival needs to happenTV World needs to happen, have a grand total of 3 enemies actually themed around that.Can't think of an example for fireshock, but just admit Toby isn't an amazing writer.
kris has to be going off script when it comes to the player. imagine letting someone else use your body, antagonizing then, and then thinking that things won't go south. they deserve to just be the meat suit in normal and weird route
>>4091152>So what?YOU used it to try and make a point that Susie wants to be a wedge in the relationship of someone who outright refuses to make his feelings known even when prompted.>Hey who do you like, human or monster?>.............Very cool, Kris.
>>4091138>Be Toby>have a moment in Castle Town and make a song to vent on how fans expect you to make songs in a certain way>not only the fans take the song, strip away ALL the context that surrounded it, and recontextualize it into something completely different, but also make it about GasterThis is the funniest thing to happen since chapter 5's release and not enough people talk about it. I can only imagine how flabbergastered Toby must feel
Do you think she knows about Toby Fox?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Holmes
>>4091169Kris is a girl's name?
>>4091170It can beJust like Max can be a girl's name too
>>4091167honestly if that's true he got dabbed on to such a degree he'd have to be a total fag to not be at least a little amused by it pirate gaster is so goofy, but it's pretty fun how many little things fit into it, like normalnpc being a parrot and the vessel
>>4091162>Susie wants to be a wedge in the relationship of someone who outright refuses to make his feelings known even when prompted.But Susie must realize that there was, or maybe even still is, something going on between Kris and Noelle. She noticed it herself, which is why she was jealous. If Kris doesn't say anything about it, it should seem even more suspicious to her.
>>4091156appropriate
>>4091170from what i've seen, kris is usually the feminine spelling, yesof course there are some exceptions, but usually when someone's name is just shortened to 'kris', it's a girlmuch like how 'chris' is the masculine version, but some girls have feminine versions of it like christina
I just realized, Ralsei's fire spell will likely end up being some kind of attack that damages every enemy to make it like PK FireCould work pretty well with ScytheMare to damage then pacify everyone, or maybe if you boost his Magic enough he can just incinerate every enemy in one hit
>>4091167cap'n does call it pirate music so I don't think it's lost on him
>>4091170Kurisu is and that's what matters to Toby.
>>4091173It's not Susie's fault Kris won't say anything. She has no obligation to read Kris' mind and discover they still hold feelings for Noelle but can't talk about so she shouldn't make a move on Noelle, because as far as she knows, Kris is her friend and would just tell her if there's something wrong.
>>4091169She's old as fuck, no.
>>4091057It was clear as early as chapter 4 that the game doesn't care about that and doesn't want you to have any actual opinion on that. The game literally punishes you for doing the mandatory interactions by veering you into another mandatory direction for hours on end, then does it again in chapter 5.
>>4091173understandable but you have to take it with a grain of salt because Susie told Noelle yesterday she didn't know Kris and her were close. So she's lying to one of them. She says she was jealous but even if she was that might not even be her actual or sole reason to antagonizing Kris. At least not with her focus on his mom
>>4091065>Kris is trying to save everyone and break that fucking prophecy.Once again, assuming motives when we have no concrete information. Kris is an enigma. The Roaring Knight is an enigma. Ralsei is an enigma. Even Susie is an enigma.You know nothing, and Toby has made it clear there are details you objectively do not have that will completely recontextualize your entire understanding of the game so far, just as the characterization bomb in Chapter 4 that Ralsei knows the prophecy by heart and was born with that cursed knowledge, completely recontextualizing how you view ALL of his dialogue, interactions and reactions.
The whole idea that Kris isn't saying anything to Susie because the SOUL might overhear is dumb, since we know Kris can take the SOUL out, put it in the birdcage, and leave their home at any time. Kris literally does this to comfort Noelle, so why can't they do the same with Susie? Because Susie is a tool, even if Kris likes her as a friend she is still a tool to be used.God, I hope this doesn't end up being some sort of twist where Kris did exactly that chapters ago and Susie was merely pretending to be clueless all this time. It would be so dumb.
>>4091190Can you not do that for a 8 year long game.
>>4090475Was he ever talking about physics? It's about doing impossible things. Truly there are places where impossible things happen, but these are not physical places.
>>4091195Kris clearly likes Susie romantically unlike with Noelle, though. He didn't confess because he knows he's betraying her.
>>4091195Kris can also literally disconnect us at any time if he REALLY needs to say something that we shouldn't be there for, like what he did at the end of Chapter 3 so he could conspire with the Knight.It's just that he doesn't after that, for... some reason?
>>4091213honestly it seems pretty vaguei think there is a pretty high chance kris has romantic feelings for both susie and noelle and feels really shitty about both of them
>>4091217You're a fool for thinking there was any logic to any of it
>>4090891>but then we also learned Kris likes the bullying. what are we supposed to take seriously? is Susie going to get absolved of everything and cut heroically or something?I mean the church thing gets swept under the rug because Alvin's an idiot and assumes that God showed up and left him a message from his father while looting the place instead of assuming it was the town delinquent after she came to church for the first time. That just seems to be how Deltarune's going
>>4091232Everyone has to be critically retarded because otherwise the game has to actually reveal things and progress the core narrative in a way that matters. Anyone who dares have a brain cell must be relegated to quirky irrelevance, or be kidnapped posthaste.
>>4091232>Alvin's an idiotNo, his writers are idiots. It is their fault.
Think about how much cooler things would be if Susie didn't actually go through her whole character arc in chapter 1.She's supposed to be a boss turned playable character which should be awesome, only she's acted like a quirk chungus since chapter 2.Also she's by far the most useless character gameplay wise despite the fact that everyone else is holding back
>>4091233Sounds like a shit game that shouldn't be invading other game's spaces.Are you drunk, selling something that vagueposts like one piece to the masses and demanding they slop it up?
>>4091031You don't get to be mad at this when you're ecstatic when the positions are reversed
>>4091238Almost like I hate Suselle and I don't want to watch just to play the game what a shock.
>>4091238Suselle is dogshit anyway
>>4091236Yeah, so seethe about it.
>>4090989Ralsei is the princess of 74 in the 6th tierERAM is Ralsei in the lowestRalsei is actually an anagram of Sariel in the lowestKris has magic in either the 5th or 6th tierNoelle is the Pippi counterpart could go in the 2nd tierVessel is the EVE counterpart could go in 5th
>>4091178the song it plays is also literally called Pirate DojoI just don't think Toby expected this song would be the next big meme, let alone being associated with Gaster of all characters
>>4091244Vessel is the what
>>4091239>>4091241>yes I have an insane double standardThanks for being honest at least.
>we're going to have to endure this until the 2027 Summer Nintendo Direct
>>4090989Maybe add Megalofungang or something.
>>4091246In Mother 1, you find a secret lab underneath a lake (sound familiar?)Inside is a robot named EVE that you bring with you.She's really powerful and helps a lot since all the enemies nearby are extremely difficultShe ends up having to sacrifice herself to protect the party against an unbeatable foe
>>4091248THE RIDE NEVER ENDS.
>>4091251Side A Vessel fate???Hopefully it's a fate we can avoid with the pure Crystals and all the Eggs...
>>4091245that's as far as I can go with it though cause assuming someone could get angry over pirate gaster is a little too nonsensical for me
>>4091238saying that kriselle is "the positions are reversed" is disingenuous as fuck, they're too different to ever be reversed positions
>>4091247Kriselle is well-written, Suselle isn't. I'll choose the one that improves the quality of the story.
>>4091248Thread does feel a little more schizo than usual, I wonder why.
>>4091248I'm tired boss
>>4091082only deltacucks would argue that "whatever's up with you two" doesn't have romantic implications, literally every other fandom would pick up on it instantly
>>4091263They're buck broken by the fact that they can't take text at face value anymore after Toby literally lied to them about who the prophesized Flower Man is supposed to be.
>>4091248*Spring
>>4091259We're getting our shadow crystal whether (you) like it or not, apparently
Considering these threads make up more than half of the traffic of this board, I wonder if we would be able to get a player in the /vrpg/ 4chan cup team. Probably not, but it would be funny.
>>4091248There is no way I'm staying here until then nigga. Deltarune might have captured all of my free time for months and still lives rent free in my head but surely at some point I'll just go back to my own projects...
>>4091263If she said this on the normal route, then sure. But she says this on aborted weird
>>4091257It is from your perspective because you know Susie likes Noelle a lot and you're purposefully NTRing her while she actually prefers making sure that you're not openly into Noelle before trying to pursue her.>>4091258>Kriselle is well-written, Suselle isn't.This is a better take.
>>4091232>I mean the church thing gets swept under the rug because Alvin's an idiot and assumes that God showed up and left him a message from his father while looting the place instead of assuming it was the town delinquent after she came to church for the first time. That just seems to be how Deltarune's goinghas anybody checked what the people who argued in favour of or against the whole "Alvin is gonna get mad when he arrives to the church!!" discussion during the ch3&4 era had to say about that scene?
When is Queen of /V/ going to roll around I wanna vote for Kris.
>>4091248There will definitely be an ARG or two.
>>4091264I mean can you blame them? Toby's whole shtick has been trying to be subversive. No wonder some people stopped picking up hints altogetherI feel like you didn't do a good job as an author if the fans started having trust issues with your work
>>4091274Those are only for Weird Route now, and now that we're at 7B, Toiby will want to go radio silent as to not spoil anything.
>>4091270you mean the route where Noelle pays more attention to kris than to susie? thus, strengthening the romantic implication of "whatever's up with you two"?
>>4091167It's the best possible revenge for this kind of bullshit. And most of those who do it are completely clueless about it lmao.
>>4091276Nah he's probably gonna drop some teasers.
>>4091273Only Aqua and Noelle are being qualified bro.
>>4091259the /v/ exile filtered us to only the strongest schizos
>>4091273Imagine winning king and queen with the same character
>>4091277I do in fact mean the route where they don't tell her anything when she wants to know what's actually going on or in the way, yes.
>>4091269>but surely at some point I'll just go back to my own projects...Someone here got his own projects?NeatI wonder how much influence Toby will have on the said projects
>>4091281We'll have to go through our hype cycle on here too, after that stunt with shitting up the meme thread Deltarune is /v/'s public enemy #1.
>>4091248Improving chapter 5 would have prevented this.
>>4091269Every time I think I'm finally getting Deltarune out of my head, Toby releases another fucking newsletter or twitter drop lmao
>>4091280Don't care when is it coming.
>>4091167I don't think it was a particularly serious "complaint" on Toby's part. It paired with "battat motif" sounds more like him reminding the fans whose musical predictions begin and end with motifs that there's more to it than that. So he probably finds pirate Gaster hilarious.>>4091278It's not "revenge" for shit, what? Lmao.
>>4091271>It is from your perspective because you know Susie likes Noelle a lot and you're purposefully NTRing her while she actually prefers making sure that you're not openly into Noelle before trying to pursue her.explain how it is like that.it's pretty simple, really, Kris has been in love with Noelle for a long time and viceversa but the trauma and emotional baggage make this complicated for either of them, then this purple hobo known as susie waltzs into Kris' life, it seems like there's something being made in between them, then susie takes Noelle, starts pushing kris away but also forcefully keeps them just close enough so that they cannot fuck off with any other potential partner for kris she could see (Berdly, Ralsei, Pink), so praytell, how is it "NTRing" to successively prevent this purple hobo from wrecking Kris' life while playing them at the same time? fyi, setting boundaries against someone trying to do NTR homewrecking is NOT reverse NTR, they're the ones trying to wreck things in the first place
>>4091285What? Shitting up what meme thread? Is this another "ohhhh the deltafags are so disruptive" in response to one Deltarune image?
Speaking of newsletters, we might get a new one next week
>>4091295Why, the summer one was just 2 months ago
>>4091294Awhile back, a stickied shitpost thread with an embedded video got Deltarune hijacked so bad that they were forced to kill the whole thread.
>>4091292I'm not sure why it'd be a complaint when everyone slurps up Toby's music anyway. Hell a criticism of the current Chapter (atleast here) is that he DIDN'T do the some of the Chapter's most prevalent songs
>>4091285I'm curious on what the jannies will do when we get a trailer for Chapter 6 honestly. Will we get a grace period or instanukes again?
>>4091295Undertale's anniversary is in four days.
>>4091296Undertale anniversary
>>4091300Meant for>>4091296
