Discuss the obvious parallels between Orange and Noelle here.
Orange=Noelle implies Aqua x Orange.
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>>4108627https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Us0DZgexw
At the end of the Greatest Living Show, you see a trash can with the twin ribbon in it, which based off Skies Forever Blue, the ribbon is referring to NoelleNoelle witnesses two girls who look similar to each other getting used up by the player in Greatest Living Show though. I wonder if that could be representing Kris and the Vessel
>regular joke>set up and punchline>Deltarune joke>random internet meme stolen wholesale or a word got misspelled (please laugh)
>>4108632Frisk and Chara maybe?
>>4108632looks more like noelle and kris to me
It's likely Eram will steal our Vessel in Side A.
>>4108639But the main girl of the video is Noelle>>4108637I wonder if Dess could be human and is the Chara analogue in Deltarune like how Kris is Frisk and it's representing Kris and Dess being used up somehow?
>>4108641The Chara equivalent of Deltarune is at best The Vessel (the human you name but aren't playing as unless you do the geno route)
Ever since the day we metA parcel of my mind's lost to youWhen you made my name the same just as the one you love, then I knewMaybe to your view, I'm just a faintly colored hue, that's alrightEven if the only things you say are yes or no, I'll see blue sky.
>>4108641kris is the physical chara analogue and noelle is the emotional one
>>4108645kris is physically frisk. she's literally frisk but older
>>4108643There is no geno, it's a linear game.
>>4108646but kris has the backstory of chara, adopted by the dreemurrs and raised as one of their own
>>4108647I forgot that Deltarune has only one side and one Path.
>>4108648Yes and Toriel was planning to do the exact same thing to FriskIt could've been anyone, it's just that in Deltarune Frisk's counterpart happened to be here at the right time instead of Chara's>You looked through the shadow crystal and saw your mother holding someone else
>>4108646Kris is the Patience Soul human.
Why does Susie get so upset when Ralsei tells Orange that humans don't have tails?
>>4108657More fuel to the theory that susie came from a place mostly populated by humans or half human theory
>>4108657Because she's insecure about her tail in light world and doesn't like that Ralsei is bullying Orang.
>>4108652Not even remotely confirmed.
>>4108657because orange is a susie parallel and ralsei being a total jackass to her is making her realize how ralsei actually felt about her in ch1 when she was being a bitch
>>4108670>orange is a susie parallel>Susie takes my wife Noelle>Orange takes my girlfriend PinkHoly shit
>>4108676Orange is fucking Pink now?
>>4108677tori always loved psuedo incest...
We need to accept human immigrants into monster society.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZom4XS2kTY i wanna see how suselle could beat kino like this
>>4108677No, she's still orange.
>>4108613fun fact, Noelle is actually coded to be able to equip the orange gloves
>>4108680Despite making up a 0,1% of Monster society humans commit 99% of genocides.
>>4108676Does Pink also fantasize about Orange picking on her
>>4108677this is a clever reference to glitchtale and its Pink soul's lore
Putting the Thorn Ring on Noelle's finger then high-fiving her repeatedly
>>4108683What's her dialogue about equipping it?
What parts of Deltarune are canon?
>>4108690The game
>>4108690The ones that are canon to Undertale is Side B, but they're all technically canon.
THE FUN GANG HAS SPOKEN
>>4108693>Susie has spoken*
>>4108690ch1, ch2 (weird), ch3 (mantle and knight only), ch4 (both routes), ch5 weird and abortedstarwalker and the egg rooms are also canon
>>4108691
>>4108685yes, since Pink is a Noelle parallel and a Kris parallel, and Orange is a Susie parallel (she's also a Kris parallel due to Orange being different from the other flowers), this means both Pink wanting be slammed against a locker like Kris and Pink wanting to be bullied by Orange like Noelle
People are going to headcanon so many parallels that there will only be like 3 characters in a cast of over a hundred
>>4108702Based.
>>4108702hey, its not my fault that toby made Susie a Kris parallel which means that Orange is both a Susie parallel and a Kris parallel
You will be ashamed of your words and deeds
>>4108707I am above consequences.
>>4108681Gerson turns around right as he passes by Kris and then says dragon. Methinks Toby will subvert the hecking expectations by making us the dragon and Susie the knight.
>>4108714Everything really is a red herring, huh?
>>4108069I gave Susie a pretty dress.
why was there a random city in flowery's intro cutscene? that place was nowhere in the dark world and its not even flower themed
>>4108719It was the first hint that Flowery is a master of illusions and Dark World meta fuckery, both in terms of conjuring a whole temporary city for his anime pretty boy introduction and in making the game play an FMV in the first place.
>>4108548>Noelle is truly a freak for feeling nostalgic about her childhood bullyGirls love being teased. I used to do the same thing when I was a kid. It's a shame that the girl next door moved away with her family when I was 12. I played with her my whole childhood...
>>4108724>Girls love being teased.We legitimately don't.
>>4108719This is the part where we pretend the city itself is random and has no meaning since it doesn't fit any of our theories, despite us cherrypicking meme lines and curtain colors to confirm our headcanons.
>>4108728>girls>WeYou know the rules.
>>4108728Shut up Kris.
>>4108728Speak for yourself. I have some female friends who actually enjoyed that kind of shit back then. Of course, it was never outright bullying and just playful teasing. And it specifically had to come from the guy they had a crush on.
>>4108613Orange isn't Noelle and trying to pair up every flower with a lightner is a fool's errand. Aqua is only Kris because they're the patience soul.
>>4108739Don't care, Orang Noelle is cute.
>>4108641>>4108643Kris is Chara and the Vessel is Frisk. Dess is unrelated to the two of them as she isn't a human and already has her own Undertale counterpart.>>4108632Like that one anon said it could be Chara/Frisk and Noelle seeing what happened to people like her, it's not like Toby's songs only represent Deltarune, even SFB has genocide references.
>>4108646Kris looks like Frisk but they're are actually Chara (although you could argue Kris looks the most like Sepia!Chara as they both have covered eyes)
>>4108739
Greetings.It's me.The demon that comes when people call it's name.It doesn't matter when.It doesn't matter where.Time after time, I will appear.And, with your help.We will eradicate the enemy and become strong.HP. ATK. DEF. GOLD. EXP. LV.Every time a number increases, that feeling...That's us....But.You and I are not the same, are we?Your SOUL resonates with a strange feeling.There is a reason you continue to recreate this world.There is a reason you continue to destroy it.You.You are wracked with an odd sentimentality.Hmm.I cannot understand these feelings any more.Despite this.I feel obligated to suggest.Should you choose to create this world once more.Please return to me once again.Now, creator.Let us send this world back into the abyss.
>>4108744>Blue>Homophobe
>>4108702*2
>>4108762Every character is a foil to UT Chara and Asriel and Deltarune is their dark world
>>4108763Chasriel series.
>>4108767Papyrus series. UT was an excuse to do Papyrus segments.
>>4108769So is Deltarune a giant build-up to a Papyrus segment or is Deltarune itself THE Papyrus segment?
>>4108770Papyrus was Gaster the whole time and the entire game is a Papyrus bit.
>Greetings, it's me.>It's verity.
>>4108775AIEEEEEEEE
>>4108769I wish.
>>4108777Me too anon.In some another timeline Deltarune really was pattern slop and we'd be memeing about the new goofballs instead of whatever the fuck we're doing now.
>>4108779My chud grey daughter <3
Weird Route is a repeat of genocide, and that's a good thing. Genocide in Undertale was going all the way to squeeze everything you could from the game, you've done neutral, you've done pacifist, but that's not enough, so you gotta delete what you've achieved in pacifist and try to kill as many monster as possible to see if there's anything more tha game has to offer. I think the Weird Route is similar if you assume it's meant to be played as the last route. You've played through the normal route, the ending wasn't good enough, you replay it, this time getting the shadow crystals and eggs, but the ending here still wasn't good enough for you, so you take a different, extreme approach this time, it's not gonna be pretty, the characters will suffer, but you've already decided, you gotta get a different ending at all costs.
I hope ch5 aborted weird route in chapter 6 is as good as in chapter 4 or 5. Unless we get something that's close to Sword Route, having no distinctive weird route content may make a chapter a let down
>>4108792What the fuck is that watermark? Who watermarks a low effort edit?
>>4108792>I hope this shorter, straightforward chapter actually has 2 separate route with tons of exclusive contentI don't know anon, it just doesn't seem likely to me.
>>4108787Everything always comes back to us being motivated by a perverted sentimentality.
>>4108787>one trick pony >but not even saying including the best part of the trickyawn
>>4108802What are you even trying to say?
>>4108787>Weird Route is a repeat of genocideObjectively false>and that's a good thing.No, that would suck ass actually.>Genocide in Undertale was going all the way to squeeze everything you could from the gameNice opinion, did a video essayist give that to you?>I think the Weird Route is similar if you assume it's meant to be played as the last route.Shit opinion, did a video essayist give that to you?>but the ending here still wasn't good enough for youShit opinion, did a video essayist give that to you?>you gotta get a different ending at all costs.Utterly meaningless statement.
>>4108804You see, the reason people (probably not you though) make this the "meaning" of the weird route is the same reason that they want 7B to just be calling the player evil over and over again. They want to dismiss everything that happens in the weird route as meaningless and pay no mind to it outside of hype moments and aura. They want to go "I don't know guys... This seems pretty.... *GULP* ..messed up!!!" and have the game call them smart for pointing out the obvious.
>>4108803Saying that, if that anon is correct, the weird route will just be a retread of the lamest parts of the genocide route.That is, beating your head with "read every book, burn every book" while doing little to nothing of the things people actually enjoyed about it, those being watching how the normal derails further and further, how the characters react to it, the new boss fights and such.
>>4108813New boss fights? Maybe in 7B but so far we've only got a slightly modified Spamton NEO.
>>4108815Thanks for demonstrating my point.
>>4108804>Objectively falseGee, I wonder what we did in 2B.You can hate Geno all you want but to deny the parallels between the two it's just being retarted.
>>4108804You didn't actually argue anything he said, you just closed your eyes and ignored the obvious parallels between weird and genocide.
Personally I think this means something more than just "you get more hp if you beat up the enemies but then you lose their silly moments in castletown"
>>4108821The absolute...
>>4108819>>4108820"PARALLELS TO THE GENOCIDE ROUTE" do not mean "LITERALLY AN EXACT REPEAT OF THE GENOCIDE ROUTE" you fucking tard.
Do you guys believe extensive, long, descriptive and analytical theorycrafting looks pretty fun but it has become less about the actual game itself but arguing semantics and making agenda memes and discussing with the fandom, for the fandomNot that it's a bad thing necessarily, I can see it's a fun exercise for the sake of it, but I cannot seriously believe anyone actually thinks Noelle is the Knight
So when is AMPHITHEATER going to play? Any theories on this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6TYwG6coEQ
>>4108824But 2B was a literal repeat of the geno route, including the countdown to how many there were left.
>>4108827probable when the one thing that'll be clarified in chapter 6 happens
Kris, the flatest girl in history
>>4108826Noelle Knight is just one of those theories that people believe in because it would BTFO everybody else, nothing more to it. There's never been a serious defense of it, it always devolves into saying something like>issue X doesn't matter because [insert non-Noelle Knight theory] also has that issueWithout every actually explaining how Noelle knight solves that issue. I recommend you just stop engaging in Knight theories at all to be honest, it's for the best.
>>4108830Her boobs will grow any second now...
>>4108824It won't be an exact repeat of genocide just like how normal route isn't an exact repeat of pacifist.
>>4108833Kris is 16/17. I think she is doomed.
>>4108836Never say never.
I'm so proud of us discovering the FemKris twist so early on. After chapter 6 releases and confirms Kris isn't nonbinary, they'll slowly start figuring it out and shocked it was guessed years earlier.
>>4108813You mean the part of the genocide route that actually demanded it be a route and not just another fucking variant of neutral was the "lame" part? Sure thing, man. Sure thing.
>>4108832I believe theorists and the fandom as a whole should change the approach to theorycrafting and rebrand their theories as exercises in fanfiction; It’s much better to present your writing idea as a “this is what I’d do if I were writing Deltarune” and less “all the evidence points out MY theory is correct because I am very smart” and it’s a bunch of reaching nonsense nobody would actually write in their game.In fact with this approach, even something as ridiculous as Alphys knight could become interesting because by allowing yourself to write fanfiction there’s no need to compromise with the canon game where said theories are so dysfunctional
>Anormal/pacifist ending>ABaborted weird ending>Bweird route ending>Cpure crystal ending (may require a repeat playthrough)>Dgame over screen endingthe eggs will unlock a bonus room or do something in the boss fight and end up being irrelevant to the ending outcome.
>>4108842>Oh boy, what a SHITTY CRINGE RETARDED fan made chapter, I'm glad Toby is writing the game!
>>4108843How many sides does this fucking game have.
>>4108839I don't think normalfags will be looking at here bro
>>4108832noelle knight is the only knight candidate with actual stakes dess is by and large an invention of the fandom, she's not a real character carol has a single appearance and is meme'd as being evil and homophobic, nobody would take her seriously rudy is entirely hype and aura, along with logistically being impossible noelle knight solves a lot of issues, but isn't ironclad simply due to the haphazard way toby is writing the story, for example:noelle is not suspicious at all the knight fountain locations, which cannot be said for any other candidate noelle is shown to have perfect timing with kris, like the knight noelle and the knight are both connected to the pianpian song, which noelle described as 'the concert just for me'the knight's hurt noise is just noelle's scream pitch shifted noelle can equip the blackshard, along with the jingle blade (her pencil)the only real hole in the theory at this point is how gerson plays into this, but considering he's another vagueposter like asgore we're probably not going to get any substantial answers to how he fits into this until ch7
>>4108846The FemKris video exists. They cannot erase the evidence.
>>4108839>FemKris twistRetarded headcanon
>>4108846Dude, we have lots of redditos here. I know cause... uh, someone told me.
>>4108842That's basically what Jaru does except without the admission that it's basically fanfiction.
>>4108839the threads where we were uncovering it felt like a third eye opening, suddenly so much weird shit involving kris clicked into place
>>4108848there are actually two of them, the main femkris video from an anon and a much more obscure one that was made by a kidthe latter is more flawed because they didn't dig through the file names, but the conclusion is the same: second hero kris
>>4108847>a candidate can only have "stakes" and be "real" if we've seen them on screen and had them talked about in explicit detailNoelle does not have a special sneaking suit that makes her appear as a ten foot tall shapeshifting abomination in dark worlds. There is no such thing. The knight is someone who's got something WRONG with them.
Kris is so suicidal they want to take all the three heroes roles so only they have to suffer.
>>4108844The overswung series gets memes and praise all the same because it's good fanfiction
>>4108856ch5 showed asgore changing his appearance from a tee shirt and pants to a full suit of armour in the dark worldthe 'special sneaking suit' now has precedence, unless you believe that the knight is actually a 12' tall monstrosity in the light world as well that nobody has seen, even during the day like in ch2 and ch4
>>4108858whatever man, I just wish vision crew had finished their chapter 3 thing
It's odd to have all this knight discussion when it's obviously Rudy. Chapter 5 added a ton of hints towards it.
>>4108860>ch5 showed asgore changing his appearance from a tee shirt and pants to a full suit of armour in the dark worldYou know, at this point I'm 99% this is bait and I am biting it, but I feel the need to respond. How the fuck are you presenting this as a way to somehow make the transformation into the Knight make sense? No, Asgore changing costumes is not equivalent to a character becoming twice as large, and gaining magical powers it hasn't shown until now, what the fuck were you thinking when you wrote this?
>>4108860Ch1 showed Kris going from a shirt and pants to armored bodysuit thing, we're in the same fucking place as chapter 1, Asgore's armor offers zero new information because it doesn't let him shapeshift beyond the limits of where his physical body would fit as we're discussing.I believe the knight can shapeshift and looks wildly abnormal, but only in dark worlds. I believe their form is more mundane in the light world.
>>4108863You mean the guy who is right now at the hospital with Carol and Noelle at his side? The guy who is fucking dying while Kris and Susie are in Flower Kingdom?
When I came home from work today I took off my pants and T-shirt and changed into a different colored T-shirt and a pair of shorts, am I the Roaring Knight after all?
>>41088454 (there is no blood type D)i think (emphasis on think) it's going to be like undertale where we have major flags set for ending screens and flavor text afterwards for even triggers throughout the game.
>>4108864Originally the guy admitted it was bait, but over time I think he brainwashed himself to actually believe it. The guy is delusional and is not worth engaging with. He only uses bad faith arguments.
>>4108842alphys knight theory raped this man
Unrelated to the knight stuff I wish Asgore's light world side when he kicks Kris and Susie out was his police uniform instead of his casuals. It'd be a nice detail that his dark world armor is his actual light world "armor" and explains how he has two outfits he switches between in a world where everything is based on a light world object
>>4108874Kris was wearing a casual (or at least school) outfit when he fell in and it turned into armor. I think Asgore's tee and shorts are dark world equipment he put on to replace the armor.
>>4108839fuck off schizo
>>4108875Yes but Kris doesnt have 2 Dark World outfits, and he isnt as grounded a person as Asgore is. Asgore wouldnt feel like he's wearing a king's suit of armor in his gardening clothes, but he might if he was wearing his old police chief outfit.If you have an outfit change in the Dark World, it'd only make sense its because you changed your clothes in the Light World right?
>>4108869>Gaster is playing a vinyl disc on a double album set using audio data as binary code running from a casette player console attached to a CRT televisionWhat the fuck is wrong with monster technology.
>>4108876No need to be jealous. Just be proud you're a part of the community.
>>4108878Reverse engineered from human technology that fell into the trash heap
>>4108876Ironic
>>4108878Basically warhammer orc technology but friendlier, it runs on intent
You think they'll get another scene in 6?
>>4108878gaster was a late 200X's hipster audiophile type before he fell in and exploded across timelineshe probly jumped in after alphys wouldnt stfu about FLAC
Tasting Kris's delectable asshole
>>4108877The armor has Flowery's face on it. It's his regalia as king of the flower kingdom. Why would it not be gardening equipment? Why would he have been wearing his police gear when Kris made the fountain? The oversized gold armor you can find before you even meet Flowery is implied to be something Asgore took off basically the second he got in. Why would he have been sitting around in his police gear during the festival?
>>4108886Noelle...
>>4108886>chair darkner obsessed with eating ass>hp value restored depends on the ass
>>4108884Yes.
>>4108886Rudy...
>>4108886rank all deltagirl butts based on their taste
>>4108884>(Battat talking about Tenna loredumping about Mike)>"It's just.... why does Tenna have to be so VAGUE!?"Heres your chapter 6 Mike room cutscene. You rike?
>>4108892Expect or imagine anything in particular?
>>4108896>You rike?Yea...
>>4108878>>4108880>>4108882I believe monsters use magic as a shortcut for a lot of their technology. I know it may be unsatisfying but the answer to how most impractical or impossible monster tech works can be summed up with “because magic”
>>4108886Dess...
>>4108889>Why would it not be gardening equipment?Because Gardener Asgore is a peaceful man, Police Chief Asgore isnt. It makes more sense for his garden outfit to be regular clothes to him, Flowery's face doesnt change that>Why would he have been wearing his police gear when Kris made the fountain?Not what Im suggesting, I'm suggesting he manages to find his old police uniform later when he gets more direct about trying to learn more from Flowery instead of playing along.>The oversized gold armor you can find before you even meet Flowery is implied to be something Asgore took off basically the second he got inDont know where you get that specific implication from, its in a closet. It can just as easily be that he still had it somewhere and hasnt put it on yet. No part of it specifically says he wore it 5 minuters ago and... immediately took it off for no logical reason I can find. He's paranoid, he wouldnt get thrown into a dark world and make his first action to disarm himself>Why would he have been sitting around in his police gear during the festival?See the second point
>>4108886Pink... (Ghost)
>>4108902it's the mewmew body who wants to rim Kristhe ghost wants to rim asgore
>>4108899which is the best possible way to do it, don't get it twisted anon. there's a world of difference between science fantasy and science fiction, a lot of the youtuber lore bullshit tries so fucking hard to make the former into the latter to squeeze extra content out. "it's magic" is a perfectly valid explanation in a science fantasy setting, as long as the magic follows it's own set of rules.
>>4108910Yep. I completely agree.
>>4108907I know, just that it would be funni
>>4108901>It makes more sense for his garden outfit to be regular clothes to him,It really doesn't given that every lightner we've seen has gotten a "battle outfit" when they go into the dark world. Why would it suddenly matter that Asgore doesn't consider his gardening outfit to be battle ready? Did you get the impression that Noelle and Toriel's dark world outfits had less armor because they didn't think of their outfits offensively enough and not because they're casters?>No part of it specifically says he wore it 5 minuters ago and... immediately took it off for no logical reason I can find.The armor is a single digit number of closets away from Ralsei who just got shoved in, the contents of each closet in that section are implied to be a recent addition. And again, everyone who first goes into a dark world gets battle ready outfits, Asgore being in casual clothes was the oddity, so seeing armor in a closet that proceeded to go on Asgore later that chapter makes it look like he took it off. Presumably after meeting Flowery.>He's paranoid, he wouldnt get thrown into a dark world and make his first action to disarm himselfHe got thrown into a dark world and his first action was to meet Flowery. Flowery convinced him to change into something more comfortable since he wouldn't need to fight.
So did anyone notice that these Netskie attacks are suspiciously Tail of Hell shaped? And that Netskie talks about their tail alot? And turns into Aqua?Thoughts on Netskie? Theories on Netskie?
>>4108827Not only you were watching. We were all watching. The many eyes of the players and the people getting in contact with Deltarune through playthroughs, memes, essays... Their gaze made any authentic life impossible. It was all a lie, it was all fiction. If you knew someone else wrote your life story beforehand, what would you do?
https://youtu.be/45t7q_qS4L0rudy knight bros... i dont feel so confident anymore........
>>4108839stay here visionary
>>4108919I didn't know Meursault played Deltarune
>>4108918Netskie!Aqua is a Vessel parallel.
>>4108918She's a cute enemy I guess
>>4108787Weird is sanitized fisher price genocide where you cool enemies off and leave them as unharmed popsicles instead of outright killing them.
>>4108952The nameless darkners aren't really the focus, it's the psychological damage you do to Kris and Noelle, as well as the fatal damage you do to Berdly.
>>41088452,anon is retarded and wants to believe
>>4108910Magic and scifi don't mix.
>>41088452. Unless you're one of those retards who claims every permutation of the neutral ending is its own separate ending, in which case there will be several hundred endings.
>>4108957yes? magic and scifi (short for science FICTION) don't mix, which was the entire point of my post.
>>4108957Foolish fool! The mixture of magic and sci-fi is the basis of the super robot genre!
>>4108918What did Netskie mean by this? Seriously i don't know.
>>4108928
>>4108918No one really cares about the netskies and aside from weird route, everyone hates 5 so much that they barely theorize about it
>>4108963You mean the dead genre for uncs who like to pretend the giant suit of armor means the rest of us won't recognize it for the power rangers slop it is?
>>4108964What is even its lower half? Is it rooted to the ground or something?
>>4108972it sucks you can't afford a house or talk to girls but you don't have to be a miserable off topic faggot in these threads, hope this helps.
>>4108975It's only offtopic when it's a dissenting opinion about the offtopic shit you brought up, right?
>>4108974>ROOT(S)ed to the groundBros...
>>4108978>miserable faggot continues asking retarded questionsyou could die right now and no one's lives would be less for it
>>4108863So Rudy was there all along with the kids during THAT DAY? He caused his own daughter to become a Lost Girl for some reason when he first became/revealed himself as Knight?
>>4108964i wonder if the green geyser means the chapter 5 dark fountain, covered in the vines.
>>4108980Projection.
>>4108974It's their head.
>>4108982The dark fountain wasn't covered in vines though. Anyways >JUST NEXT DOORimplies it's the Holiday house's dark fountain. Also maybe a Grand Fountain? (Only Castletown's fountain is referred to as a geyser ever.) And it's also maybe opened from the underground which implies a (2nd?) fountain in the basement?>Picrel. Lancer opens the geyser from underground
>>4108918Big fluffy FUCKING tail
Hello. I updated this thing I made about the egg rooms. I still don't really know what this means (other than the eggs probably being related to the Knight), but it feels very intentional at this point.
>>4108918If you want to discuss foxes there is a better thread for you next door
>>4108992This seems to establish that the knight is connected to THAT DAY (from the Forgotten Man) and that the Knight and the Forgotten Man are connected to Gaster. ...Which we already knew.Cool observation.
>>4108992>chess theory returnsfucking finally
>>4108987And Lancer is a spade which means they'll have to dig
So... if you had a shovel and were really determined to plant some flowers, would that open a dark fountain? You're still stabbing the earth with determination
>>4109001No
>>4108992Nice. I knew about the egg in windings thing but I never realized the in-game movements could be connected, too.
>>4108997It's definitely a bit of a trite observation nowadays lol. But I made the first version of that image back in January of 2024 when we still only had chapters 1 and 2. I had never seen anyone connect the EGG = chess knight thing to the egg rooms themselves even though it seemed to so obvious to me. Felt like I was taking crazy pills. I guess it could still be bullshit but it feels a lot more certain now.
>>4108867it explains why he took until the end of the chapter for the knight to appear and why they seemed to be in a hurry, as well as both carol knight and noelle knight since they were at the hospital too, dess knight has no explanations for why would she take so long to appear despite being at the dark sanctuary/third sanctuary all day
>>4109007Saturday was rainy/cloudy, Sunday was sunny and the Knight had to wait until full sunset to show up
>>4108992Dess raped Kris behind the tree.
>>4109016just like YIIK
>>4109002Okay, then what am I supposed to tell my neighbors about the massive fountain of black stuff thats springing out of my front yard?
>>4109007Only if it were Normal Dess. We have no idea what kind of conditions Abnormal Dess would be under, but judging from how Knight operates it may have a critical weakness to sunlight or is outright banished back to the dark by it.
>>4109020smoke from a fire underground
>>4109019>NOBODY CARES YOU GOT RAPED, KRIS! WE ALMOST JUST GOT RAPED OURSELVES!
>>4109020tell them to not report it to the feds
>>4109028i predict susie will be the one to say the infamous 'nobody cares about your sister' line to noelle when the time comes
>>4109025that's not smoke it's steam
>>4109007The Knight was busy gooning in the shelter and got late
>>4109024so abnormal dess couldnt have been able to create the ch2 dark world after noelle and berdly have settled their books down, then
>>4109034Which means that the only plausible order of events that happened is: the Knight makes the fountain at night, manipulates the traffic jam with the dog's help for the purpose of not letting anyone else in the librarby until the fountain is sealed, Noelle opens the door and Berdly walks into her, sending them both falling into the dark world, while their books neatly arrange themselves on the desk OR Queen is nice enough to adjust the Biblioxes or whatever they turn into into a neat stack while we're off sealing the fountain
>>4109007>dess knight has no explanationsThat you, personally, can or feel like thinking of.
>>4109034What if she was wearing something like a hoodie or the shadow mantle
>>4109024what?the knight was doing shit in daylight in ch2 and ch4, where are you getting this idea that it's weak to sunlight?
>>4109036>manipulates the traffic jam with the dog's help for the purpose of not letting anyone else in the librarbyI hate this point being brought up because it would also imply Annoying Dog is part of Kris and The Knight's team, and his "You just have to trust the dog" line in ch1 was very literal.And of course, I shouldnt need to say it, but that Toby Fox himself is part of the story, integral to how its events unfold, and literally working alongside the protagonist and the antagonist at the same time against the player
Rudy knight requires hometown to have the worst hospital crew everCarol knight requires the super mario toilet pipe meme to be trueNoelle knight requires Berdly being too stupid to notice Noelle stabbing the floor with a flashy ass anime light and sound effectDess knight requires the hometown population to be incapable of spotting a wendigo walking around
>>4109040>Chapter 2We don't know the exact details of how Cyber World was made.>Chapter 4It didn't move until it started raining, blocking direct sunlight.
>>4109042If my neighbour was a slime why would I care about a wendigo in town?
>>4109020Struck oil
>>4109041He literally is part of the story even if he's not on Team Knight, Gaster used his Goner ensemble alongside Annoying Dog to railroad the player into the library, and without Annoying Dog the heroes would've been more or less guaranteed stuck in Queen's platter puzzle room.
>>4109044Also Seam outright said its dangerous to wander out at night, there has to be a reason for it and the Knight only being able to do work at night in the light world would explain it
>>4109044we know it was created after noelle and berdly entered the room due to their position and the fact that their books were open on the table this is not like ch1 where kris and susie were tangled on the floor right by the doorand in ch4 it was still pretty light out during the rain, nowhere near dark enough for a creature made from darkness to be able to sustain itself in the slightest
>>4109047gaster also used the dog to try and prevent kris/ (you) from meeting the forgotten man in ch2 & 5
>>4109042>Berdly being too stupid to noticeWe already know the person who did it was in the closet
>>4109045This is why Deltarune's story was compromised by carrying Undertale's baggage. It's a world full of furries and weirdos that carry over from UT but needs to demistify itself by claiming magic in the light world isn't real but creates this paradox where supernatural events are still treated by the story as such
>>4109041We are reaching levels of "toby did this to me personally" that shouldn't even be possible
>>4109049The church is closer to the shelter, maybe it wouldn't be too dangerous if the Knight just sprinted thereI'll give you ch2, though. Maybe the Knight needed to take that risk and they appeared late in ch3 because they needed time to recharge.
>>4109052*speculated to be in the closet the only time we know it was in the closet was in ch4, in ch2 it's just an open room with the narration speculation that someone large could fit in side, not that the knight actually used it
>>4109042Carol Knight just needs Carol to be a ninja (which she is)
>>4109047It's easier to accept those as gags than it is to accept that the AUTHOR HIMSELF is in the story fucking with you, and thats a core reason why everything is happening. Saying that the Knight and Kris were directly banking on Toby to block the road is retarded, it just being a small gag that isnt an intended part of anyone's in-universe plan is fine enough
>>4109058>your theory doesn't match mine, so I'm going to label it as "just speculation"Ok fuck you too
>>4109058What would the point of that closet if the Knight didn't use it
>>4109061blame toby for vagueposting remember that his idea of foreshadowing is the floral shower curtains from ch3 that tenna mentions as a possible prize there's no chance anyone has actually found what toby deliberately left to foreshadow future events, it's too obscure and nonsensical at the moment
>>4109060Sorry let me rephrase, ANYONE banking Toby would be stupid. Kris, The Knight, Gaster, it doesnt matter who does it. If he is an intended part of anybody's plan, that's retarded
>>4109053I do find it a little cool, even if it causes some problems. Imagine living with all kinds of wacky monsters, but somehow Ralsei still looks uncanny and unmonsterlike, different from a race where basically anything goes. I can only imagine how unsettling the Knight would be in the light world, if we ever get a closer look.
How long until this discussion pivots to New Game+ retardation
Notice how almost every UT/DR established couple consists of two people that are the same species? I thought that was interesting.
>>4109066In about five minutes.
>>4109067Isn't it just the couples with kids?
>>4109066Don't worry, we're getting there. DR topics get discussed in cycles.
>>4109060Kris was banking on the chapter to end at the end of chapter 3 before entering the shelter so he could conspire with Knight without you being there.
>>4109069The dogs have kids? I guess we don't know where Annoying came from, so maybe.
I can't wait for the Deltarune NG+ category where speedrunners change the layout of the dark worlds in every chapter, slot 1 from the chapter 7 map editor so that they get dropped right off at the final boss and fountain
>>4109067Kriselle and Suselle is doomed...
>>4109066It's called New Game+ COPE
evidence for dessknight>pretty much everythingevidence against dessknight>erm well I personally don't like it since I didn't think of it first, the existence of this theory damages my ego so stop talking about it
If you think about it, Alvinknighters were spiritually right
Da parallelisms
Why Dess wants to start the roaring when that could put Noelle in danger, is she stupidWhy Carol wants to start the roaring when that could put Noelle in danger, is she that comically evilWhy Rudy wants to start the roaring when that could put Noelle in danger, is he stupidIs the Holiday family full of retards
>>4109089Most of this is bullshit cope.
>>4109091But the Knight DOESN'T want to start The Roaring. It's had literal years to make it happen, and it would be as easy as opening a Dark Fountain in every room around Hometown, but it hasn't done so. Even the characters point out Knight doesn't seem inclined to make The Roaring an issue to the point where KRIS has facilitated the opening of more fountains than Knight.
ooooohhhh kris, that horrible day when december jingled your bells.
Notice how discussion drastically improves in the absence of UTY and DQ fans?
>>4109096Ah okay, so the ROARING Knight, doesn't want to start the roaring, and instead the game lied to us about this important detail
>>4109101Yes.
>>4109101The game didn't lie to you, the Knight still has a connection to the Roaring, but it's not starting it right now. They'll start it later once their plans are in place, or they were trapped in a place that resembles the aftermath of the Roaring to become the Knight, or whatever else you can think of. There's bad writing and then there's the Knight having absolutely no connection to the apocalyptic event known as the Roaring, and it's just called that because it roars.
>>4109101The knight roars, therefore it's not a lie
>>4109096Knight has opened 3 fountains versus Kris only doing 2.
>>4109107I'm not calling it bad writing, but if any Holiday start the roaring, then i will call them fucking retards for putting Noelle in danger when they pamper her so much, like i hope they have an extremely good reason>>4109108>ROARING too is an acronymi can see it
>>4109086evidence for dess knight >headcanons based on assumptionsevidence against dess knight>everything that takes more than 10 seconds of thinking
>>4109086>>4109112Every single Hometown resident is unlikely to be Knight because Knight has at least existed since THAT DAY. Either someone secretly HATES December Holiday and wants the world to burn asunder (but not immediately???), or Knight was summoned/created by whatever blunder Kris did that subsequently caused Dess to disappear into the deepest dark and become lost, and given we know Knight has enough a personality to care about mocking others, it probably decided to steal Dess's likeness to be a perpetual reminder of Kris's fuckup for the sake of adding yet more torment onto his psyche.
>>4109114all we know about what happened to dess is that she 'left'that's the only actual word used for where she could be/ what happened to herwe need to stop creating fanfiction about a character we hardly know and has a single line of dialogue that isn't even in the game
>>4109101You can tell when someone is a casual player because they think the game is as straightforward as most of NR pretends to be
>>4109114>whatever blunder Kris did that subsequently caused Dess to disappear into the deepest dark and become lostis just as likely as>Dess somehow became the Knight
It's going to be fucking Asriel again, isn't it? I hope not...
>>4109117>all we know about what happened to dess is that she 'left'Noelle isn't a reliable source. She's literally in a manic episode when she monologues and talks about Dess "leaving".We also know she probably memoryholed the incident seeing as how she went from freezing up just from hearing "December" out of context to now being able to think about and hear anything relating to Dess without instantly having an episode, and is able to fondly reminisce on the most likely precursor to the incident (her, Dess, Kris and Asriel fucking around in the woods behind the graveyard) without triggering herself, but she does still loosely remember it was scary even if she doesn't remember WHY it was scary.
>>4109120he's a hack if it isstraight up lying to the player about him being in college because 'lol what a tweest'
>>4109123she might not be, but it's still quite literally all we have about what happened to hereverything else is an assumption based on next to nothing, with most of it not even being in the game itself
>>4109120All along, Asriel secretly HATED Dess, and harbored a burning desire to destroy the world (but not immediately for some reason) despite having had literally nothing go wrong with his life, he's as happy as could be?
If Blue is meant to represent Toriel then why wasn't her silhouette blue in Asgore's flashback?
>>4109127It was actually
>>4109120>>4109124>>4109126Close enough. Welcome back, Eddy's Brother theory.
>>4109127it was a weird blue-violet colour for whatever reasonasriel's green is also darker than Greenonly kris and asgore are the proper cyan and yellowgiven that toby has been inconsistent with exact shades before, the difference could just mean nothing this time
>>4109131>it was a weird blue-violet colour for whatever reasonIt's the same color as her regular clothes
>>4109089>The flowers symbolize Deltarune characters!You guys are like little babies. Watch this.
>>4109132that's what i thought, but i wasn't sure
>>4109127Because monsters dont have colored souls so they cant be represented by them directly
>>4109134Leochads win once again
What are some things only you noticed about the game that nobody else has made theories on yet?
>>4109134>astrologyTruly a foidcore game
>>4109136Only true in Undertale, we don't know what monster souls are like in Deltarune and it's likely Toby is withholding that for Chapter 7 since it's supposed to be yet another "gotcha" reveal that hinges on you using your Undertale knowledge only to get it flipped.Remember, this happened in Chapter 2. Undertale monsters usually can't handle high doses of determination without melting, unless it's a special exception case like Undyne, but Deltarune monsters have no problem holding determination, enough to course their will into creating a Dark Fountain like Berdly was about to do, and we see Susie very clearly do, and Queen, the only character to directly say DETERMINATION thus far, directly alludes to ALL Lightners having determination.
>>4109134>I'm fucking SethNOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>4109142>Only true in UndertaleAlright dillweed, until a monster soul shows up in Deltarune we can ONLY ASSUME they still have blank souls, because all the concrete knowledge we have implies color souls are still a Human-exclusive thing despite never seeing a Monster soul. This idea is only furthered by the fact the things colored after human souls all pretend to be human, which would imply those colors have a connection to Humanity specifically, and Susie not being able to recognize us as a SOUL on sightWe do not know if Determination is what causes soul coloration either, because Determination isnt what actually determines which color a SOUL is. Until further evidence is presented, we HAVE to work under the idea its still the same rules other both of us need to shut up because its a null argument without reasonable assumptions or hard evidence
>>4109139Vessel having the same number of sprites in its shirt as Frisk versus Chara and Kris having one.
>>4109142>human souls are the colorless ones and the reason Kris hates and abuses Soul is because it's Dess' and she abused him in the past
>>4109142I think it would be very odd to even imply that monster souls work different until basically the very end of the game. And then have some major twist based on something that was not foreshadowed at all. >it's supposed to be yet another "gotcha" reveal that hinges on you using your Undertale knowledge only to get it flippedThat's just subversion for its own sake. It adds nothing to the story other than making the player feel deceived.
>>4109147The game is made of polygons, it's in 3D but presented in 2D
>>4109150Toby's fully willing to utilize deceit and unknowable reveals that only show up later in the story that then proceed to recontextualize literally everything prior.Happened with Kris ripping out the soul only to find out he just wanted to eat pie only to THEN watch him do it again in order to make a Dark World, so you figure out he was probably up to some dubious bullshit for real.Happened with Ralsei revealing he knows the prophecy by heart, explaining parts of his suspicious behavior prior.Happened with who the Flower Man was, when Ice Wolf literally called Asgore "Flower Man" only for it to actually be Flowery.
>>4109150>It adds nothing to the story other than making the player feel deceivedif you haven't picked up on it yet, that's what toby has been doing with the 'twists' so far
>>4109150>That's just subversion for its own sake. It adds nothing to the story other than making the player feel deceived.It's a unique take on mysyery storytelling.
>>4109127because blue represents carol, not toriel
The only canon parts of Deltarune are as follows:ch1Roaring Knight battlech4Weird route
>>4109134>>4109137leo bros... LEND ME YOUR POWEERRRR
>>4109153The ending of the game doesn't hinge on whether or not Kris eats pie. Ralsei knowing the prophecy by heart could already be assumed at the very beginning of the game when he sings the legend to the party. If you saw the literal man made of literal flowers and didn't think for a second "Huh, maybe this guy is the flower man too" you're retarded and there's nothing else to say about that really.>>4109154I can't have a conversation with you if you're just going to interpret everything Toby does in the most bad-faith way you can. >>4109155It's a retarded take on storytelling.
>>4109036>while their books neatly arrange themselves on the desk OR Queen is nice enough to adjust the Biblioxes or whatever they turn into into a neat stack while we're off sealing the fountainwhat a massive stretch cope lmao
>>4109163Carol is mean, unlike Toriel.
>>4109166>erm... they don't count because... they just DON'T, okay!?If Toby's not relying on unknowable information or misdirects, then it should be very easy to speculate what happened on THAT DAY, who the Knight is, how they came to be Knight, what Knight wants, what Kris wants, who the Angel is, what the last tragedy is, what will happen in the fever dream ending, and how 7B will play out.So go on, let's hear it, since you clearly know your chops about DELTARUNE.
>>4109168modern carol is meanpast carol is nice
>>4109153>only for it to actually be Flowery.nah cause Asgore still was taken to and is quite literally trapped in a shelter. He is still the Flower Man, on normal anyway. On Weird Flowery does take that role more since skipping past him to drown yourself means he's still stuck in his little glass chamber, forever tended to by Asgore, with no dark world for to give him a chance to realize his dream.
>>4109166toby is extremely reluctant to have any real and substantial foreshadowing in deltarune for some unknown reason, presumably to prevent people from guessing the ending all the twists in the story that we have seen so far have been subversions of expectations or flipping what was said in undertale on its head saying that more twists down the line will be handled the same isn't bad faithi really wish toby would just say something and play it straight for once, maybe he finally will in ch7, but until that happens i cannot trust him when he establishes something
>>4109166Flowery is only "made of flowers" because he's obsessed with them. His innards are actually human innards but he's so into flowers that when he splits open, his insides become flowers.
>>4109168She's kind in her own way. She keeps Asgore employed and she's pretty lenient with the rent.
>>4109171Asgore isn't boss3 so he isn't the Flower Man. He's the Flower King.
Carol is the Pink flower actually.
>>4109173I really hope we get a narrative conclusion but with several mysteries still unsolved so the theoryfagging goes on forever
>>4109176So? I didn't fight Queen's car in Chapter 2.
>>4109170>>4109175She chased away Noelle's girlfriend.
>>4109178then toby would have to fuck off in that case, undertale at least bothered to answer everything important
>>4109181Toby is God and will live forever, as He always has.
>>4109179But it was still "boss1", which meant it alluded to Queen, just as "boss2" alluded to Tenna.Queen is just a title since her real name is Serial Number Q5U4EX7YY2E9N, Lord of Screens is a title, so too is Flower Man.
>>4109178From the way he said it in the newsletter, emphasizing that the theory culture of Deltarune can ONLY exist right now, it sounds like Chapter 7 and 7B are going to have as few loose ends to chew on as possible.
>>4109180Good, Susie sucks
>>4109180Maybe she shouldn't have been touching her dead/missing daughter's stuff.
>>4109175She's also ultimately just trying to keep her remaining daughter safe, even if she's being restrictive and at times neglectful with how much effort she's pouring into watchdogging Hometown all by herself, simply because she no longer trusts anyone else able-bodied enough to do it after the kids got swept up in THAT DAY without adult supervision.
>>4109175this is very confusing when you factor in that qc and her sister were talking about in ch5iirc her sister mentioned something about using the 'mayor's discount' when buying the flowers, like carol is deliberately trying to sabotage asgore by slashing his already struggling income with forced sales
>>4109180>dirty shoes on the sofashe should have shot her in the fucking face
>>4109179Exactly. You fought who was inside the car like you fought who Asgore was holding.
>>4109190I think it's definitely possible she's keeping him on a short leash. Still, if she was actually going to evict him, I think she would have done it already.
>>4109190It's more than likely a front, Carol has an image to maintain ever since she turned into the cold hard leader that's been keeping Hometown clean to compensate for the blunders of THAT DAY because she doesn't want the residents to worry that another freak accident like that could happen again.
>>4109153So you're telling me there is a chance?YEAH!
>>4109190Holy based>allow him to exist in squalor while making sure he won't get paid fully for anything he does and continuing to threaten him with potential evictionShe has him fully ensnared and constantly fearing for his livelihood, maybe as a favor to Toriel
>>4109139I was just making this schizo imagePeople only focused on the Kriselle aspect of the CH5 shadow crystal text, which fair, Seam said it's broken dreamsBUT HELLO, ANYTHING ELSE???No one noticed how using the shadow crystal in a dark world shows the light world?Is Noelle there for some fucking reason when she should be with her dad?Shadow crystals in general lacks theories because they are so vague, so it's expected
>>4109212>[insert anything] in general lacks theories because they are so vague
>>4109212>Is Noelle there for some fucking reason when she should be with her dad?If the unused one in Chapter 3 is anything to go off of, possibly.>"You thought you saw Undyne frozen in ice."
>>4109212>Is Noelle there for some fucking reason when she should be with her dad?This could happen in chapter 6, while Kris goes to water the flowers to keep them alive.
>>4109212Eh, it's probably just meaningless flavor text. Anyway, who wants to discuss something actually interesting like Kriselle or how I got cucked in real life by a retarded purple dinosaur?
>>4109042Rudy is established to leave the hospital all the time. If we look only at the evidence he by far makes the most sense as a suspect.
>>4109024>>4109034The light-world knight powers are only active during night. The knight can still wonder around town at day in his lightner form.
>>4109212Meh, it's probably just an alternate timeline, and the previous ones just don't have anything much different in them.Or Toby simply never bothered making this too consistent.
>>4109212doelle knight
>>4109218Nah, I'd rather get mad about the fact Toby "Don't Call Me Radiation" Fox has a vendetta against ME specifically and has engineered the entire gaming industry to take away what I like about games and replace them with subversive bastardizations that exist solely to piss off me, and that they've also brainwashed the entire population of planet earth to make me think I'm in the wrong for not liking these kinds of games.My proof? He didn't come to ME immediately when he realized he accidentally made a game that was exactly what I was hoping for all my life with the Deltarune Chapter 1 demo, got my hopes up with Chapter 2, did it even MORE with 3+4, and then totally crushed everything with Chapter 5 because he gets a sick kick out of stringing me along for nearly eight years straight while he snorts coke and fucks underage prostitutes with all his merchandise money.
>>4108884God i hope not
>>4109219he's left twicehe's there often and long enough that when noelle talks about taking him back to the hospital, she refers to it as 'taking dad home'
>>4109190I'm pretty sure the implication is that Asgore is selling them for cheap under the pretext of a sale
>>4109224One notable difference if it's an alternate timeline, Susie seems to still hate Kris, like they never became friends>You saw Susie glaring at you, coldly
>>4109237well, yeahshe likely got her ass beaten as the dragon in ch1
What of Mantle showing that'd Kris Deltarune already killed everyone the world multiple times but he forgetteds each time and everyoney fearst him but they can readinged all her thoughts !!!
>>4109237It looks like there are three lost dreams with two different interactions so far:>You thought you saw through your hand.>You thought you saw your mother holding someone else.(Dream where Kris doesn't exist?)>You thought you saw Susie glaring at you, coldly...>You thought you saw Susie in a far-off window, unkempt and glaring. (Dream where Susie and Kris never became friends?)>You thought you saw Noelle close against you, whispering.>... and you saw Noelle smiling at you, with arms full of flowers.(Dream where Noelle and Kris became a couple?)
>>4109209i think she's doing it as a back up plan if rudy drops. 1 in the hand beats 2 in the bush, after all.then again this is a toby fox story so it's more likely going to just be ANOTHER chapter of asgore suffering/character annihilation.
Kriselle will happen. All the subtle hints would be useless if it leads to nothing.
>>4109241You mean how Kris is stuck in a timeloop trying everything and only remembers at the end of chapter 7 so that's why he keeps the seeds to kill himself and reset from chapter 1 without memoriesYeah
>>4109227The worst part is, it's all true...
>>4109242The hand one could be that Kris hand theory, but that Toriel one is so strange, it can't be Sans because Kris would recognize him
The "schizo" label was always cope and has been subverted in each game:-in Deltarune, Jevil is just a normal guy who was given forbidden knowledge and goes a bit coocoo-in the second game, Spamton is just a regular guy down on his luck-in the third game, the secret boss isn't a schizo but the main boss is-in the fourth chapter, there is no schizo-in the filth game, Deltarune 5, Pink is a schizo but only because she's two normal people stuck together
>>4109243Kriiiiiis! I am a straight white monster, Kriiiis! Watch me be a worthless bum, for reasons I shan't state, Kris! Oh, that alimony, that terrible alimony.
>>4109243It will be her considering him for a backup as Rudy's condition deteriorates, depending on your route either Rudy will get better and Asgore will remain alone or Rudy dies and Asgore doesn't feel right taking his wife so he rejects Carol's advances and remains alone
>>4109226>Kris and Noelle are always in sync in the hammer game>The Knight opens a fountain at the same time Kris closes it>shadow crystal shows Noelle being in Asgore shopMore Noelle knight to annoy people lmao
>>4109212Noelle showing up in 5's description is just really strange and unexplainable.
>>4109246Based and you deserve to be raped by the dog.
Lowkey hope they just never reveal who the Knight is but leave several clues that it's one of maybe five people
>>4109255as long as dess knight is dead and buried forever ill be okay with anything else
>>4109255A part of me is starting to think The Knight won't really be resolved in normal route. We'll still find out about That Day and maybe even who they are but I have a hunch they're going to die somehow. All of the big Holiday stuff could be strictly side b
>>4109251fuck as much as i hate that it sounds the MOST likely to happen.my dream character development for asgore would be him either with carol or alphys. toriel ends up in prison. sans dies.
>>4109249they're more closely related to philosophers than schizos, desu. i was planning on going a bit more in depth on it later but idk if i just wanna make a meme or do a whole video about it.
>>4109251>>4109261come fucking onhis horny neighbour is RIGHT THERE
>>4109263bringing out a classic for this one
>>4109263Never going to happen, she's nothing in the world of light
>>4109266you confused madstablook with hapstablook
>>4109267Two deranged ghosts who both suck equally
>>4109268>ghosts who both sucksee >>4109264
>>4109267Literally trapped in a toy lmao
>>4109271it's like shes some king of springed lock
>>4109271Just force her out, they already did it on accidentKris does it all the time and outside of the shape and color it seems similar enough
>>4109276monster souls are round in DR?
>>4109280Dunno, that wasn't a soul but a whole ass ghost
The Pink nontroversy is funny when you think about it more than 2 seconds>Maddie says she isn't in school any longer>Mew Mew is high school age, hence her dating scene>nothing says Maddie is too old for school, just that she doesn't go>even if we assume Maddie is older, Mew Mew is the one who chooses to kiss Kris and tries to date himBy all accounts, Maddie is the one forced to go along with Mew Mew's antics and is by no means "grooming" anybody and is really the actual "victim" in this case like a conjoined twin stuck while the other head is dating some guy she hates. You have to go out of your way to act like it's some pedo allegory or whatever.
so I guess pink is supposed to mirror spamton NEO in how they workspamton was a darkner taking over a lightner's body, pink was a lightner taking over a darkner bodygo ahead with the patternfagging and you have gersons and the knight both being knights, or gerson's effect on susie being the opposite of what ramb and eram did to kris, then you can expect the next secret boss to mirror jevilso probably it's just seam
>>4109283The NEO body was also a darkner, just one formed out of a broken dream instead of an object (though specifically it was a MS Paint sketch mettaton made of the body and tossed in the recycle bin)
>>4109282>nothing says Maddie is too oldLawyer tier mental gymnasticsThat's not how a drop out talks about being a drop out, plus the Mad Dummy was a business owner in UT.>pedo allegoryIt's more likely>Toby never thought too hard about this the same way he made Frisk go on dates with two adults >Toby finds it funny like how he gave Frisk the option to flirt Toriel and call her mom at the same time>Toby is actually into this shit but isn't loud about it, he ditched the YIIK guy but never the Omocat despite she getting considerably worse allegations
>>4109282Pink is Dess and thus she's a pedo like her.
>>4109283So you're saying Susie is the Knight
>>4109292definitely
>>4109287>mental gymnasticsI threw that in just as a possibility, the rest still applies and vindicates him- sorry, it's "her" now, right? Vindicates her. This court finds Maddie.....NOT GUILTY!
>>4109297>him- sorry, it's "her" now, right?I don't think there is a single moment in the original release the Mad Dummy is called a male. Napstablook does have that very early version that references it as "him" but Mad doesn't.I don't think we'll ever know what the original intention for its gender was.
>>4109300All ghosts are supposed to be genderless without a body.
>>4109300>semanticsIgnoring this since it goes against my lazy tactless anti-trans jokes.
>>4109301I'm not talking about lore there, I'm talking about how Toby perceives his character's genders/sexes deep down.Think of the Napstablook thing I mentioned, or him slipping up and calling Frisk him on a tweet, or fag fans insisting Kris is non binary yet calling the weird route an allegory for lesbian erasure/heteronormativity/whatever.
>>4109307I think trying to psychoanalyze Toby through his video game makes an enormous faggot.
>>4109314Toby is an enormous faggot.
Frisk got retconned into a girl
Why is Asgore such a guyfailure undeserving of love or financial wellbeing?
>>4109321BecauseToby hates men.
>>4109322You would too if you met one
>>4109245They keep her memories of what he went through each time thoughbeitever
Did Noelle and Susie fuck in the chapter 2 weird route?
>>4109332No, Susie probably doesn't even know what sex is yet.
>>4109332bed inspectors, our response???
ralsei put the control crown on susie at the end of chapter 5 and no one is talking about it
>>4109336That's the Super Crown, he made Susie female so she can't have sex with Noelle and cuck Kris.
>>4109338>susie lost her massive futa cockdoomposters won
>All words in Flowery's book attack form pairs>IMAGE FRIEND>KNOWN QUANTITYHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.Is FRIEND connected to KNOWN QUANTITY? ("Enemy" that appears if you save edit in an enemy with no recruit info.)
>>4109341>Known Quantity>As opposed to MissingNo.>Both are tagged with the number 0>Both come from a game trying to produce an enemy that doesn't existHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
How do you guys think Susie and Noelle will react to Kris's suicide?
>>4109350Restrained relief
>>4109352I don't think Susie will be very happy, especially since Kris is the only one capable of sealing dark fountains.
>>4109350>fuck fuck fuck how am i gonna get this group project done now
>>4109354That didn't matter to her when she turned castle town onto Susie town
>>4109282Japanese script confirms Maddie's a highschool dropout even.
>>4109371post it
>>4109372>わたし…もう学校 やめちゃったのに…
Why can't you roast the ghost and get rid of that doll fucker
>>4109378just wait until the twisted route mod releases, it'll allow you to beat the shit out of pink
>>4109354She inherits the Soul
>>4109376google>I... I already quit school...kanjikana>I… I already stopped going to school…deepl>I... I already dropped out of school, though...sakana ai>I... already quit school, though...>I... have already left school, and yet...quillbot>I... already quit school...1/5 agrees with you
>>4109371And she thinks she's worth Asgore's attention?
>>4109395>young woman>older guydare I say BASED?
>>4109378Napstablook already told you ghosts can't die nigga
>>4109398Yeah, because humans can't use magic to attack their purely magical bodies.Guess what you have access to in the Dark World, though?
>>4109385I like how regretful she sounds
>>4109398magic attacks can hurt maddie, and as the old saying goes, if it can bleed, it can die.so something like iceshock would be super kryptonite to ghost monsters
>>4109385I dunno, "quit" implies dropping out.
I quit life
>>4109403>though?Make believe?
>>4109413Ah, so Berdly's just PRETENDING to be in a coma! What a LARPing scamp.
>>4109415Dude tell me what "Rude Elemental damage" is and why does it take from the physical stat if it's a magic move
>>4109404A shame she didn't have enough screentime to let that side of her come out more often.>>4109406I still understand "quit" as "finished", specially in a context of "being done" with something.
>>4109418It's emotional bullshit, the crux of monster magic, just like in Undertale, based on what we can currently go off of in terms of information.>B-BUT WHAT IF IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE-Null point. We don't know yet, so there's no sense in bringing it up.
>>4109422>We don't know yet, so there's no sense in bringing it up.Fair but like, Iceshock doesn't do use it nor does it factor in defense so I feel like the question was warranted. and Fireshock might just have its own slew of questions
Why does the weird route require killing Berdly? That makes zero sense considering later developments.
>>4109434so that noelle gets stronger and so that she feels her pussy tingle, plus, if we were allowed to proceed past berdly we'd end up snowgraving queen and spamton and ralsei and susie, this ofc would derail the story by a lot in only chapter 2 so berdly takes the fall instead
>>4109422to be fair iceshock's description actually cares to explicitly states it as magical ice damage
>>4109434It was fucking cool thats why
>>4109350susie would be fucked up for a long time but noelle would almost certainly kill herself right after finding out
>>4109434it wasn't about killing berdly specifically, it was about noelle getting into a position to cast snowgrave (possibly again) berdly just happened to be the target, anyone else would've sufficed just as well
>>4109449>(possibly again)make that "(possibly again) (again)" because she did do it a second time against Spamton NeoI almost think the entire venture was worthless beyond "Noelle has the ring equipped now", because theres only one chance left for Snowgrave to do anything and all signs point to it failing
>>4109450she used three consecutive ice shocks against spamton neo, not snowgrave the (again) was because there is some implication that she has used it before, somehow, and memoryholed it
The Thorn Ring is the universe's equivelant of The One Ring from LotR, since everything in universe is based on Lord of the Hammer which is very clearly a reference to Lord of the Rings.Its a ring that grants ultimate power, has negative effects on it's wearer's psyche (Putting them in a Trance, even), and is too tempting for one to get rid of it even knowing the dangersOr am I only making this connection because Im finally watching Lord of the Rings (Ill read it and The Hobbit too soon, Im getting hooked)
>>4109451>she used three consecutive ice shocks against spamton neo, not snowgraveReally? I thought it was Snowgrave, because that hits 3 times as well doesnt it?
>>4109453iirc no, it just does fuckhueg damage we know it was ice shock because it has the same sound effect, which is very different from snowgrave's
>>4109456Im going to need to replay weird route I guess, because I dont remember it making a sound either. I thought it just went>* You whispered Noelle's name>"HEY IS IT COOLD IN HERE OR JUST ME?">Cut to black, complete silence, three blue damage numbers>Cut back, Spamton's dying
>>4109458the blue damage numbers thing is a bug, it's supposed to be yellow like the noelle ui but whoever coded and playtested that shit had to be colorblind and assigned the color palette of the wrong character, it also made some people think it was Kris killing spamton neo (likely deaf niggas) but mostly everyone could tell it was iceshock from the sound effect
>>4109463>(likely deaf niggas)Even the deaf could figure out that was Noelle's doing because I dont remember the sound at all but I never mistook it for Kris. You have to be blind or illiterate to not get that Noelle did something after you directly called her name
Im such an idiot I just got the joke, the OddController has Yellow and Pink buttons because its a mad CATZ controller isnt it
>>4109467I don't know but that's a deep cut if so
>>4109475Toby's no stranger to deep cuts, especially ones related to retro gaming that only oldheads would know anything about.
>>4109475It's what they do to your Americuck penis
neverending night >> don't forget >>>>> until next time >>>>>>>>>>>>> until next time (again) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scarlet forest you know this to be true
>>4109287YIIK was too kino for TobyI think he's scared his game becomes the YIIKI for one hope the reputation damage he gets is of the same order
>>4109487>he's scared of his game becoming YIIKi think he's more afraid of it being seen as a worse copy of YIIKthe two are a lot more similar than people want to admit
>>4109485That was pretty obsessed and rent free of you.>>4109487YIIK went pure cringe so I understand his kneejerk reaction to distance himself from it and the creator but he should have just prided himself in being one of the few positive things about the game at the time.
>>4109491YIIK's cringe only proved it's honestly despite how irony poisoned the game can be, there was clearly genuine passion put into the project despite how ass certain portions of it weredespite everything, YIIK had something so say, whether or not it was successful in saying it is a different matter, but it tried at the very leastit remains to be seen if deltarune will be the samehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K26mGEFNRaA
>>4109494YIIK is like the indie No Man's Sky in making a surprise comeback to engooden itself from what I've heard. For all DR's faults, the gameplay is still addictive and great from start to finish so I can't dislike the game even if I don't care as much about some plot elements.
there should be a mod that replaces the gimmick slop with actual rpg stuff, like instead of playing a shitty slog board game with watered down interactions and 3 generic battles per board and also forcing you to blitz through this shit if you wanna fuck off soon after playing through ch2 in a sitting because of the lack of save points in the board, you just get teleported into the actual place itself due to tenna's teleporting skills and have a fun rpg adventure (maybe keeping the cooking minigame thing at the end of it), the sword board would be a RPG esque boss rush of regular enemies in essence plus darkner copies of your party members, chapter 4... maybe?, and chapter 5 could simply ditch the whole platformer shit and make the cliffs a regular area
>>4109500Feel free to make that mod yourself my man
>>4109500I like Mantle gameplay.
>>4109507mantle is better than legend of tenna that's for sure
>>4109508Yeah that's the point.
>>4109332Something unrelated to the prophecy, because Ralsei was desperate to know what happened and Susie did as if nothing happened. Maybe nothing happened, really. Susie entered Noelle's room because she's programmed to do so, but an actual interaction between them was not programmed in WR, so Susie may have stayed there in limbo, waiting to come back for when the code plans it. I suspect Susie to just not know what she's doing, guided by programming, like Noelle seems to reproach her (and Hometown's NPCs) for during her manic episode.
>>4109518What is the point of stuff like this
>>4109519Kris is cutest when hurt
>>4109519Suffering builds character.
>>4109521In Kris's case, it can build up so much character that the game itself is outright unable to actually show it beyond recurring expressions of suicidal thoughts.
>>4109520>>4109521Genofags when they think realism is when grimdark
>>4109533What the fuck are you talking about you schizo
>>4109525Notice how quick Susie is to assume the worst and demonize Kris at all turns? How easily she lets her vitriol towards him slip out?
>>4109525I like Ralsei on the lsat panel. Somehow he seems angry but not in a usual cartoony way.
>>4109307I don't even think Toby calling his characters "he" occasionally reveals his true feelings when male is usually the default gender anyways. Trying to guess what he thinks is pointless.
>>4109434Because the weird route is about killing people to get stronger above all.
>>4109463It's yellow nowadays, it was patched a long time ago.
>>4109537>male is usually the default gender anywaysAnd...you don't see this as the massive issue that it is?
>>4109533That has literally nothing to do with genocide lol.
>>4109540No...?
Redpill me on the angel head vessels, I don't remember seeing that shit in the game but it seems like everyone is obsessed with drawing grey regular ass humans with retarded xenoblade head wings
>>4109543More than likely it's all of one specific Vessel OC, who's been getting mildly popular since said OC's basically a gooner girl.
>>4109533>Doesn't get the response he expected>Goes ahead and makes his smug remark anywaysDead internet theory, but with philosophical zombies.
>>4109525reminder aqua is older than college aged asriel
>>4109550lolibaaba aqua...
>>4109552>my dream human form?>a little girl of course!
>>4109543It looks cool and it connects the Vessels to the PlayerAngel theory.
>>4109533GenoGODS broke you.
>>4109533oh so you're just looking for shit to whine about?here, I'll help ya: ...Mike............
>>4109543One woman made her Vessel with that and now everyone is copying her.
>>4109574Little Kris haunts the narrative so much it's almost insane.
>>4108613I want to fuck bothThats about it
have these threads turned into /utg/ yet?
>>4109606Worse.
>>4109606At least utg actually likes the game
>>4109606Not until we get an anchor
>>4109606Only because you are here now.
>>4109606I looked at /utg/ once today and the first post in the thread was about sharing eachothers dick pics. So not yet.
>>4109127Probably because the colors don't really mean anything.
>>4109606This thread will never be utg because we're a completely different flavor of retardation
>>4109606We are utg but instead of being obnoxious faggots, we are obnoxious straggots (at least we get to go to heaven)
>>4109606It's kind of the same way Mario is Wario
the 4chan Deltarune quintfecta>/utg/>/v/ refugees on /vrpg/>/vrpg/ fangames>/doe/>/sus/
>>4109663LEND ME YOUR SHITPOSTING!
Who's getting Heir of Grief in Deltarune?
>>4109663Weren't there more /trash/ generals outside of /doe/ and /sus/?
>>4109673none I'm aware of
>>4109673Yes, Deltarune males and Deltarune females.
>>4109538Darkners aren't people. Berdly is.
>>4109686Okay, killing "enemies" then, Ralsei.
>>4109692Ralsei is too scared to use the powers the prophecy gave him
Pink belongs in the jar
>>4109704Pink belongs in a vacuum cleaner
>>4109708>vore
The old Toby would've included a gag about calling the legally distinct "Gust Roosters" to take care of Pink if you're on a neutral route...
>>4109578There should have been a scene where Aqua violently makes out with Asgore and pushes the knife deeper each time he attempts to pull away
>>4109733They're saving Asgore committing suicide to get himself out of a sticky situation for later down the line
New Noelle Knight video dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUA03uGG5nM
>>4109733which flowery line he talked about all the flowers being the new toriel?
>>4109738noelle knight is scraping the barrel of the knight discourse brainrot
Do monsters have sex? Or when two monsters love each other VERY much and hug VERY hard a magic egg appears with their baby inside? I imagine it must be very awkward for Kris to try to have sexy with a monster if they don't understand human sex.
>>4109743Kris and Noelle are going to have an amazing surprise waiting for them after holding hands across the entire lake
>>4109743yesburgerpants very heavily implied that asriel and dess were fucking in ch5
>>4109743I think Toby said something about Papyrus not knowing about sex once, which implies monsters do it>>4109746Which line?
>>4109747the one where he was telling kris that they weren't practising their instruments, start of the chapter
>>4109738Noelle definitely has a good reason to secretly resent Dess and turn her into a Lost Girl before going on the warpath to (eventually, definitely not immediately) end the world!
>>4109743Monsters just magic out a baby, there's nothing sexual involved. It might even have to do with heartbeats.
>>4109733This but Aqua does it with me.
>>4109750You guys think that any time two characters are offscreen together that they're having sex. Get your mind out of the gutter.
>>4109753It doesn't makes sense though. If Noelle was responsible then Kris must know about it since they work together with the Knight.
>>4109756This, Asriel is too much of a pussy to initiate sex, and Dess is likely too much of a dork to make it happen either.They probably start blushing and stammering just from the act of holding hands together.
>>4109756Me and this anon are having sex offscreen right now.
>>4109760Uwa, so temperate!
>>4109754I'm pretty sure that's only in Undertale. Monster can't do magic in Deltarune since it is a fantastical version of our world (Kris and Berdly play Minecraft, Noelle is an Invader Zim fan)
>>4109763Im calling it, Magic still exists but it's just never used by any Monster because its a lot easier to just let the oven cook your food for you and no one has a reason to attack anyone in Hometown because why would they
>>4109762Nice ass
>>4109767>Catti was never actually a poser and is one of the few monsters who still regularly practices magic, she just holds back her powers because of the summoning incident
>>4109754>heartbeatsGood lord, does that mean Susie and Noelle were FUCKING on the beach? Is Susie going to graphically lay an egg in Chapter 7 for 5 unskippable, mandatory minutes?
>>4109738guy is too preoccupied with trying to tell a story/ make entertainment for my taste, even if i agree with noelle knight
>>4109758Nuh uh, Dess is a sex obsessed molester, that's the facts.
>>4109787Between the fact no one got their asses beat by Dess for taking her man when Asriel was getting tossed around by Catty and Bratty, and Noelle vagueposting about the Seth Specs (a character who's into Berdly, another total dork), plus Dess being a total loser at music and having weird interests like survival gear and cryptid hunting, it's not too unfathomable that she's not the firecracker tomboy the fandom thinks she is.
>>4109789dess was a stinky femcel cuckquen who dabbled in doelesting to vent my uncle works at toby fox
>>4109789>total loserTenna called her a prodigy though.
>>4109792>rose-tinted nostalgia: the character is putting a positive spin on the past because his entire shtick is that he wants to stay in the past by convincing himself and everyone else that the past is better than the presentAnd Pizzapants said that Dess and Asriel sucked, but KRIS was the real prodigy.Tenna saying that about Dess is either making things seem sweeter than they were, or it's Kris's self-loathing will coursing into Tenna's characterization by making Dess seem like the gifted golden child instead of himself.
>>4109789The Catty dates might've happened after she went missing, Noelle was probably reminded of Asriel, not Dess, and the only evidence for Dess sucking at music is fucking BURGERPANTS, not the most credible source for assessing the prowess of someone who was constantly making out with his buddy. But yeah Dess is 100% going to be very different from how most of the fandom imagines her. I can totally see her being a troubled dork Kris and Noelle saw as cooler than she was.
>Asriel is a pussy!Please don't confuse Undertale Asriel with Deltarune's. From all the evidence Asriel was utter chad beloved by everyone. He behaved nothing like Ralsei.
>>4109796dess smashing all her instruments aside from the guitar could also be used as evidence of her being frustrated with her apparently lack of skill
>>4109798Just because he was popular doesn't mean he wasn't a pussy. He changed his Smash main because he was embarrassed and he didn't like to watch horror movies, those are kind of pussy moves.
>>4109798he is a loser nerd
>>4109789Maybe the Asriel stuff happened after she left.
>>4109798>>4109803asriel was said to be a weenie when he was younger but became the town gigachad later on
>>4109798No, he's definitely still a crybaby pussy.>despite Hometown's religion lacking sins, he still came to Alvin to tearfully confess wrongdoings both he and Kris committed, with such egregious crimes as "dropping Yoshi into a pit in a Mario game">Ribbick implies he was crying like an absolute BITCH when Dess went Lost
>>4109809He could've been both, a well-liked nice guy who nonetheless was a bit of a stinky crybaby. The town probably thinks even more highly of him since he left for college and might actually become someone out here.
>>4109809>>4109812Maybe he's a mixture of both Flowery and Ralsei in personality.
Imagine if there is no geno and Mantle 3 was the closest thing in the game to geno
>>4109818but then who will remember our're genocides?
>>4109793Deltarune really has a problem with unreliable characters. Almost everyone is always hiding stuff about themselves, modifying the truth, or just plain delusional.
>>4109819mantle guy and Ralsei already remember our Snowgraves that's good enough
>>4108832Noelle talking about wondering what would happen if she left is like a male talking about male suicide. Girls statistically don't suicide and Toby doesn't know how to write women so he writes gay faggots instead.
>>4109819Ness Earthbound
>>4109823toby fox doesn't know how to write women, this was clocked by many almost immediate after ch5 came out
>>4109821Or, if they have nothing to hide about themselves, they directly contribute to misinformation and misconception, like the bunny kid or Ice Wolf.
>>4109825People in this thread still refuse to acknowledge this though
>>4109823Dude, you never had female friends in your teenage years? Some girls think about suicide all the time. Remember all those tumblr girls that used to self-harm like 10 years ago?
>>4109763>Noelle is an Invader Zim fanAs if I needed another reason to dislike her
>>4109824what about steven?
>>4109789All signs are pointing towards Noelle secretly being everything we meme about Dess being
>>4109829He means that a girl wouldn't keep it to herself, but that she'd make sure everyone around her knows about it as much as possible so they can smother her with sympathy and support.Noelle doesn't do that, she masks her suicidal nature like a guy would.
>>4109829Women are attention whores. They would come at you and say shit like "do you want to help me kill myself" while showing you their scars like Yuri DDLC yet they would never act it out. Only a man would say it like Noelle did.
>>4109830Hey, what is your problem with Invader Zim, faggot? Best cartoon I ever watched close to Tom and Jerry.
>Noelle is what we think Dess is but puts on the personality of what Dess actually is after she disappearedNoelle is basically going to be that redhead from P5
>>4109796>Catty dates might've happened after she went missingDamn Asriel is a stone cold motherfucker
>>4109831he did not survive
>>4109836>P5Her name is Kasumire and she is best Persona 5 girl
>>4109832the human must have a doelester
>>4109829>think aboutI think about having sex a lot, doesn't mean I'll ever do it.
>>4109823>>4109825>>4109828It legit took you guys 11 years to realize this after Undertale already showed his inability to write believable women or romance. You realize that's just more embarrassing for you, right?
>asriel comes back from college>sells you the asriel armor>leaves
>>4109835>AAAAHHHHHHH I'M YELLING I'M YELLING AND DOING GARBAGE PATCH KIDS SHIT, LAUGH AT MEEEEEEEE, I'M YELLINNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGI don't think I want to know the real Noelle, she seems cringe.
>>4109833>>4109834I'm glad you fuckers aren't writing the game. "Toby doesn't know how to write women" my ass, Noelle would absolutely keep those thoughts to herself as part of her charade. The most sympathy she'd get is being sent to art therapy or some stupid shit.
>>4109845Holy shit, I'll bet its description will reveal something about his character or the lore->With this armor, you feel like you can take on anything.Y-You too...
>>4109844i've always known but it only became an actual talking point after ch5 reality checked people with the full force of suselle
>>4109846>AAAAHHHHHHH I'M YELLING I'M YELLING AND DOING GARBAGE PATCH KIDS SHIT, LAUGH AT MEEEEEEEE, I'M YELLINNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGFunniest shit i’ve ever seen, unironically. You have no taste.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msd7D7VlDXk
>>4109848>the armor is bugged and doesn't work>doesn't matter because you can only buy it before the last fight which involves mechanics that ignore defenseBRAVO TOBY
>>4109845The things you can do with a college education!
>>4109845unlike the temmie armor it has negative stats alongside reducing money gained in battles by 100%
>>4109847>Noelle would absolutely keep those thoughts to herselfYes, NOELLE would, but you see, I am very smart. As a very smart individual, I have realized that the cartoon scrimblos set in a world of magic and mystery are not, as you may have missed yourself, written to act 100% congruent to how people in real life might act in those situations. Let me pull up the data for you:>I hate women.When consulting this information, you can see that a woman in Noelle's situation would behave exactly the way I would imagine a real life vapid roastie to behave, so instead of acting like Noelle, she would instead be out partying and getting fucked by black men. Where would the black men come from in this situation? I don't know. It's just that women usually have black men in my rent free obsessed retardation. Also I'd like to talk about trannies but it doesn't seem to fit in with the subject of this discussion, so let me just add that men can never be women. Anyway, moving on.>I hate trannies.I hope I've provided you with enough information so you can see why judging Noelle's actions based on her personality in the game does not match up with my broader views on women in real life, and also, that I am very smart which is why I can only think of things in terms of what I perceive as real rather than understanding the game through its own presented world and logic. You're welcome.
>>4109854This is a So Sorry armor then.
>>4109848has any armor or weapon done this?
>>4109818Actually that would be 2B still.
>>4109823Women do try to kill themselves they just fail at it unlike men.
>>4109855Battat would say this but instead of black men it's shadowguys.
Your male-coded protagonist sir.
>>4109854>you have to beat the game to get it>you have to beat the final level again with it equipped to get the true ending
>>4109864Asriel is so lucky...
>>4109864A male coded this thing
>>4109867For real?
>>4109855>I hate women>I hate tranniesI'm glad we finally found things we agree on anon. It'll make the wait for chapter 6 with you easier.
>>4109867My heart
>>4109738Was kino. I believe in Noelle Knight, and the guy actually made me want chapter 6 so he did a good job.
>>4109823>>4109829women get a lot of support from other men and women the moment they start being even slightly sad, they're far better off than men in general.the most realistically written thing about susie is that she got a gorillion people pining for her even back when she was an asshole bully
>>4109875Susie is a lying bitch who's using her supposed bad home life (shown never) to get pity from Toriel and the rest of the church cult.
>>4109876except that she DID get pity from toriel? she seems to like susie, and the church has no issue with letting a known asshole bully come in
Suzy Gaster.
>>4109879Yes that's what I am saying. She is the kind of ungrateful kid who would shit on Christianity in college when Christians have been nothing but kind to them.
>>4109880I wholeheartedly believe in this theory, but genuinely how would Toby go about revealing or even implying it? It's so subtle it feels insane and unintentional yet it makes so much sense, is Gaster just going to call Susie his daughter at some point?
>>4109877Their religion doesn't have sin bwo Suzay would just be a lil misguided in Alvin's eyes
>>4109885Wrong one >>4109879
>>4109884GREETINGSMY CHUD DAUGHTER
>>4109888Gaster is the kind of father that would let her daughter be gay for science
>>4109885That's not a religion
>>4109876>Susie is a lying bitchNope
>>4109893>herGuess it runs in the family
>>4109882But Susie loved the prophecy though. She would've joined their religion easily.
>>4109882>Christians have been nothing but kindOnly in fiction and not even in their own lmao>>4109884She would talk about falling into her dad's machine by mistake, Gaster himself will never be seen
>>4109899It'd be really funny if people interpret that to mean that Sans was her dad
>>4109897Well, three was that trend of Gaster with big tits awhile back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWAKhwnxrekWhat do we think of Jaruastrian the prophet's new video theory?
>>4109898To be fair we only see her interacting Toriel, the only one actually Christian since she believes in sin
>>4109907he just stole the ralsei tree theory from here
>>4109910He got FemKris from us as well, he's not subtle.
>>4109907His way of talking is annoying
>>4109907He combined our Ralsie tree theory with his dumb Asriel dust. It's nonsense.
>>4109910That must be why it sucks
>>4109912his version of femkris is entirely based on him liking krisriel and little else
>>4109916Go back
>>4109917Are you joking or does he actually ship it?
Some things in this game are extremely convoluted and some others are just like "oh the last game had a flower as an antagonist and deuteragonist, this game should be the same but with a tree"
>>4109857yeah there's an item that you try to equip on noelle and it says you just lost the game nyehehe
>>4109921iirc he believes in it because he likes the idea of kris being a jealous little sister with asriel, which is close enough
>>4109864>they shopped out the cock bulge
>>4109925i was on board with treesei but ch5 effectively killed it with ralsei seething about plantners and flowerly implying he was something beyond the standard darkner/ not a plantner
>>4109927He last believed little Kris killed Dess because she was jealous of her.
>>4109930How so? There's nothing that suggests he even has remnants of a monster soul like Flowey
>>4109929*womb bulge
>>4109912Yeah we're the only ones who thought Kris might have one of the only two possible genders
>>4109930Toby was also ultimately just baiting us with a "heehee, I'm gonna say something and make people think it'll be subverted in the game later!" tweet when he promoted that Floral Ralsei merch, because he was correct, Ralsei DOESN'T get mixed up with the flowers.I was considering Titan Ralsei back in Chapter 2, got derailed onto Tree Ralsei, but 5 brought me back in since there's really no other way to rationalize Ralsei being an "impossibility" if not a mindless being of destruction and death somehow gaining a mind and conscience to choose compassion instead, and it'd also explain why he's so scared shitless of his own powers.
>>4109933i meant specifically ralsei being a tree and his roots spreading all over the town, which is why he can be in every dark world at this point it's more likely he's just a being of pure darkness given a persona, like teddy from p4
>>4109882oh, i thought that "shown never" meant that you said that susie never used her bad home life to get pity from toriel and the church guys
>>4109916kek
>>4109937The key difference is that FemKris here is treated as a genuine theory and potential twist reveal for the narrative, whereas FemKris elsewhere is purely for porn, because giving FemKris any genuine stock on another website will have you flayed alive for the crime of "THE HUMANS ARE HECKING NONBINARY, CHUD" as decreed by pedophiles such as Shayy and that one Reddit mod..
>>4109913he talks like a really gay and sassy fat guy but not in an appealing way, yeah. does not help most of his scripts word filler. word minimums in college essays have done to brevity what hormone replacement therapy has done to the speedrunning community.
>>4109939Yes I think that is still possible thoughPandos exist
>>4109938>tweet when he promoted that Floral Ralsei merch, because he was correct, Ralsei DOESN'T get mixed up with the flowersthat probably did happen in ver.2 (2016) of the story, but was cut out when the team got involved for ver. 3 (2022)
>>4109829>Dude, you never had female friends in your teenage years?
Still can't believe Spamton wasn't even supposed to exist in Deltarune and Mettaton NEO was the guy we would have to fight instead.
>>4109945>but not in an appealing wayKek. He's not doing porn ASMR yet though so who knows.
>>4109898She doesn't love the prophecy, she turned it into a pacicuck story
>>4109944FemKris isn't just giving Kris a canon gender, the theory literally assumes Kris is a girl who goes by they/them who is hiding her pronouns from the player and Toby Fox was queerbaiting this entire time, it's on a whole different level of Frisk and Chara's ambiguous genders situation, yeah no shit it's unacceptable anywhere but in chud central
>>4109885there's a difference between "not having sin meaning that shit like gay sex and easily forgiveable crimes dont get completely demonized and treated as if you'll burn in hell forever, and anybody like that is perfectly welcome into the church" and "understanding that the known vandalizer and serial bully who's threatened to kill kris many times in the past and seemingly has chief undyne going after her should not be allowed within the church due to being a danger", thus, susie had to get pity from the church with her troubled past (likely the result of a chain reaction that come getting pity from toriel)
>>4109952Spamton still existed, but he was going to be a one-off weirdo with no relation whatsoever to the NEO Body.
>>4109952Imagine if Maddy had possessed a different anime doll than Mew Mew in chapter 5. How hard would it have been for Toby to do?
>>4109953on a slightly related note i usually just listen to ASMR in foreign languages so it's just incoherent babble the whole time. helps me stay focused on whatever im doing while alleviating the never ending tinnitus torture that is my life now.
>>4109955erm, the femkris theory revolves around the idea that kris is actually the second hero and is hiding the fact that she's a girl to try and fool the prophecy (it's not really working/ ruining her life even more)
>>4109960It wouldn't have made sense and besides Maddie already had a connection to Mew with Undertale. Also Mew Mew is a Player/Kris parallel but like everybody knows that.
>>4109952He said he included Spamton into the NEO stuff so he probably would've just been the weird route dude
>>4109963Hope it gets better anon
>>4109955If it ever did become canon in a million years, Toby could easily incorporate the nb stuff to make everyone happy. Just say the prophecy is transphobic
>>4109965>Also Mew Mew is a Player/Kris parallel but like everybody knows that.Not even, Ghost actually gets to have a full voice and presence of her own that coexists with Body, and the two are actually willing to communicate with each other.Kris will remain a cunt who refuses to let anyone know you exist, and would rather kill himself before ever allowing a conversation between you and him to take place.
>>4109965... and here comes the Toby knight...
>>4109955speaking of kris trying to hide shit from the player, isnt there a theory stating that kris' real bed is actually the full one on the left side and that the reason why "their" side of the room is empty is actually because it belonged to asriel and he took all of his own stuff with him when he left, and kris only took the empty side as an attempt to bait sympathy from the player into making us think that kris had the shitty end of the stick?
If you think Toby hates Asgore because bad things happen to him, then you must also think he hates literally all of his other characters. Asgore's "humiliation" is supposed to make you empathize with him. You're supposed to feel bad now and then feel happy later when he finally gets his life back together. This is basic underdog shit.
>>4109968thanks, anon. you as well with your own endeavors. WAGMI.
>>4109964How is that any different or better than Ralsei transing out to break the prophecy>>4109970The theory explicitly denies Kris is non binary because it's a chud theory, even if everything would make more sense
>>4109974Also he doesn't hate Asgore because if he did he would actually pay the consequences of killing six children but thankfully for him Asriel thought to resurrect them so it's all undone.
>>4109972how is that "knight" behavior. The NEO body follows the same shit
>>4109973 (me)also, do note that kris says that they've read the dess-asriel letters many times already, implying they do that often, so it makes sense that they keep those next to the ACTUAL bed they would normally use to sleep on
>>4109973That's stupid, it's obviously Asriel's side. It's more likely Kris took everything out of their side of the room so it wouldn't give away too much or turn into Darkners that can give out important informationRegardless, it's pretty fucked up that Toriel has apparently not noticed or ignores how barren their room is. Like, there's giving your kid space and then there's whatever Toriel's doing where she holds their hand to school while also avoiding the elephant in the house.
>>4109971Kris is going to speak to us in Chapter 7 and be friends with us and it will be KINO.
>>4109973>>4109980Kris is a known deceiver by omission, he tries to sympathy bait you in the end of Chapter 4 by having the narration focus exclusively on the ketchup bottle "standing defiantly" in the fridge when you try to get this poor kid something to eat before you end the chapter, to make it seem like Sans is a home invading douchebag who ate all the food.Then come Chapter 5, and you can see Kris was likely bullshitting because the fridge is "somehow" stocked with no ketchup in sight, and Sans probably barely ate anything because he brought his own stash with him which he subsequently took back home once he left.
>>4109983I read that as "Kris is going to spank us" which (un)fortunately seems more likely to happen
>>4109983Can't happen, Deltarune runs on MOTHER logic where you can't see the dialogue of the character you're currently tied to. Even when we're detached from Kris, we still can't perceive his dialogue, because we're still ultimately in his soul, so even if we moved to another host, Kris would remain unheard to us since it's still his soul.
>>4109984"What if this character is lying for petty reasons" is a terrible way of thinking theories. Might as well throw away every piece of information we get from the narration because Kris could be just lying.
>>4109938That was just a reference to Ralsei being the Flowey parallel of this game.
>>4109979It's dishonest shit. Just say Toby likes Mew Mew and doesn't mind milking this to the detriment of novelty in his games, that's more honest.
>>4109954So she likes the improved prophecy Ralsei was shilling, even better.
>>4109992dude you're the one asking it to be different for the sake of it being different
>>4109974undertale asgore:>gets memed in the tpe by getting slapped away and then coming back only to get a goofy fuck sad expression like its some kind of shitty anime tier gag>"if you truly cared why didnt you shove a soul up your ass and went to the surface lol">tpe is filled with sans x toriel memes (such as the phonecalls) while asgore gets a weeb joke>tpe ends with letting you choose to stay with toriel even through her obsessive ass tried to burn you for wanting to leave>credits show asgore being reduced to a cucked farmer cutting up bushes while toriel is a teacher on a big school>in almost every ending asgore dies to prop up flowey or kills himself if you try to stay with himDeltarune asgore:>reduced to a cuck being slapped around by the mayor who keeps him on a leash by threatening eviction and offering special mayor discounts despite him having a failing business already while making him clean her toilet>fumbled potential man in chapter 5>gets kidnapped without a fight
>>4109972Annoying Dog as the Roaring Knight when?
>>4109983This but the Vessel
>>4109993I dont like pacicuck shit in my epic heroes journey
>>4109989He's not being petty, he's trying to convince you to not fuck him over by making it seem like his life is terrible, even with the knowledge that he's helping the supposed harbinger of the apocalypse.Kris knows the potential you have, there's a reason he started freaking the fuck out over Spamton NEO specifically, and that's because Spamton represents Kris's worst fears about whoever and whatever is piloting the soul.
>>4109977>Asriel thought to resurrect them so it's all undone.This never happened.
>>4109965It's not a parallel, the ghost can speak whenever and say anything, in full sentences.
>>4109980>>4109984I... I don't think those interactions are that well thought out guys...
>>4109996You can play this game with any character. You're choosing to interpret things in a certain way to fit your narrative. And unironically using phrases like "potential man" just outs you as a retard who can't think for himself.
I find it hilarious that, in the eyes of someone like Toriel or Carol, this whole catastrophe started when the internet went out and after a week without social media both Noelle and Kris killed themselves.
>>4110001It's his belief on why all the coffins containing the presumed corpses of the six humans are mysteriously opened and empty after you beat Asriel.
>>4109982kris sleeping on asriel's bed to prevent you from finding out what theyre like/due to missing asriel and toriel assuming that kris misses asriel too either way so she doesnt comment on it, isnt likely either?
>>4110006nta but I figured that was meant to symbolize that their souls are now free and have passed on
>>4109965Pink is a parallel to a LOT of people to be fair.
>>4110003We're talking about the guy who foreshadowed Weird Route 5 in a throwaway gag line from Queen on the Normal Route worrying about Noelle noclipping.
>>4109995Yes because I don't care for Nostalgiaslop?
>>4110006He should say it as his headcanon and not as if it was a fact, then
>>4110000The potential to not even open doors lol
>>4110010But chapter 5 flavor text was ghostwritten
>>4110000The potential to do what? The WR? A part of Kris wants that, you can't fuck over Kris' life any more than they already fucked you over by forcing you in the driver's seat instead of your vessel
>>4110007Doesn't seem that way, the few times we do see Kris sleeping in that room it's only on their side. Even when they're just using the blanket for the cage, it's the one from their bed. They don't really like tampering with Asriel's things from what we've seen
>>4109989not necessarily petty reason, it's moreso a way to convince the player into not fucking them over, plus, its not a terrible theory when the lies are actually verifiable in-game (such as rudy lying about kris not visitting often being a verifiable lie through the "you come often for someone who isn't sick" line and the "why they keep coming to the hospital" weird route line), kris is literally a bad guy, so its not a bad thing to take what's said about them with a grain of salt if there's reason to believe otherwise
>>4110014>>4110018Kris canonically cares more about covering for Knight's ass than protecting Noelle because he exerts ultimate will to stop you from learning anything or otherwise disrupting Knight (signaling to cut the fight and turn it into a cutscene, doing nothing when you reach Knight, refusing to open the door Knight is hiding behind, rerouting his thoughts when you Think About Knight, literally forcing the chapter to end so he can enter the shelter dark world to conspire with Knight without you being privy to the moment, etc. etc.). Weird Route is A-OK with him because it means you can't bother Knight anymore.
I'm glad I'm not the only schizo here for once. Yes every character in this game is lying. The creator is also lying to you when he says he has the game planned out though.
>>4110021well, of course kris would sleep on the empty side's bed, they know that you'll arrive every morning, so the lie would be immediately caught if you saw them sleeping on the left side's bed
>>4110025Sounds like absolute shit8. Years. The writers expect people to like this. The gall of them.
>>4110025Noelle and the Knight are the same person so yeah
>>4110027how do we know YOU'RE not lying?
>>4110027The prophecy doesnt exist because the knight shows up before the heroes and the so called prophecy knower Ralsei didn't know that That was clearly changed
>>4110025doesnt this contradict noelle knight and that being the reason why they dont let you know the knight's identity even through knowing that wouldn't change anything about what we're doing UNLESS noelle is the knight which would make the player want to do the weird route to manipulate the villain?
>>4110031If they were one in the same, Kris would exert ultimate will to make sure you can't equip the Thorn Ring on her at all. She's going to get USED UP on Weird Route, that isn't very protective of Kris's absolute allegiance to his beloved Knighty.
>>4110032My nose would get big if I did
>>4110029What's the lie? That they don't miss their brother?
>>4110038That Asriel dosnt exist
I wish people would stop ignoring the Soul in Side B discussion because it literally got a scene all for itself in Chapter 4 and nobody ever seems to acknowledge it.Kris does want to protect Noelle but our/the Soul's will is much stronger in Side B compared to the Normal Route, that's why we manage to equip something from Kris's hidden inventory or why we manage to noclip through the lake with OUR POWER. The Soul's will is simply stronger than Kris's in Side B.
>>4110036Well why do you think Kris was non cooperative and sulked by doing the zombie bit?
>>4110012you'll live dude. you survived the NEO member berries you can survive this too
>>4110039You've lost me. Is the entire town playing along with Kris's delusion so they don't kill themself or what?
>>4110042Don't force me to engage with the member berries
>>4110042I am allowed to criticize it without maggots like you coming to the poor indie millionaire's rescue.Nostalgia sells, it kept Sonic's career alive for over 15 years now, doesn't mean the games are any good.
>>4110040How about turning a fucking doorknob and waking up on time.How about doing the basic thing the game tells you to do to beat it after 8 real life years of the opposite.
>>4110046Then why did you buy Deltarune in the first place? As early as Chapter 1 you were getting smacked by memberberries.>dude remember when Flowey told you about your SOUL?>dude remember the spider bake sales?>dude remember False Pacifist (Stay With Toriel) Ending?>dude remember SANS?
>>4110017Schizophrenia.
Is it assblasted schizophrenic time already?
>>4110049For the new characters. And I didn't pay.
>>4110040Even in the normal route it can overpower Kris at times. Kris tries to prevent you from going into the bunker during the sword route but you ultimately win. Or maybe they let you. I dunno I didn't think about that until just now.
>>4110047No you can criticize it but you know it's more than just "it references Undertale." Ever since the game came out it's been preying on your experience and knowledge from Undertale.
>>4110052You still should've known the new characters wouldn't be all that significant outside of Susie and Noelle when the game literally cannot stop relying on your familiarity with Undertale.
>>4110047Sonic and Deltarune are good. That's why that Sonic/Deltarune /v/ lasted for so long until janny deleted it.
>>4110048>Hahaha... Kris... Susie... you thought I was nice>But I was le evil... I'm le evil dragon that had you recruit minions for me...>Don't you recognize me? It's me... Ralsei...>Yes... I'm a tree... so what? Surprised?>And why I'm here you ask? I'm here to tell you to touch grass...>You know touching grass... closing the game... fitting for a tree huh?>Ahahahahah.....
>>4110005Fixed
>>4110038the lie is which side of the room belongs to kris, if we see them sleep on the empty asriel side, it'll (hopefully for kris) convince the player to not screw them over since we'd see them have nothing and think "wow this guy's life sucks"
>>4110055Anyone who played undertale would be incredible disappointed in deltarune as a follow up. It pulled a Sequel Trilogy and dragged the names of legacy characters into the mud.
>>4110053I think that counts as overpowering.
>>4110055Then why is Mew Mew relevant? Why is Mew Mew relevant but not Asgore?
>>4110059Autism.
>>4110059Joseph Stalin, is that you? I thought you died.
>>4110063She's not. She's a literal optional boss no one acknowledges or cares about except for some flowers who will fuck off after the chapter ends because they're likely going to fucking die.
>>4110062Kind of. I meant "overpowering" more in a physical sense. You're not really overpowering Kris if they decided that they actually do want to see what was in the shelter and stopped resisting. All that means is they changed their mind.
>>4110065It's perfectly normal to clean up shit.
>>4110063bro pink got shoved into a corner away from everything else idk if that's relevant
>>4110067Toby fox cares enough to force her I to the shadow crystal(and from there the only path that lets you get chapter 7)
>>4109930>ralsei seething about plantners and flowerly implying he was something beyond the standard darknerCouldn't that rather imply that Ralsei IS a tree/forest/le Yggdrasil and is just mad at the others for the same reason some people hate the drecks of people of their own race? Basically the flowner version of legal immigrants hating illegals for ruining the reputation of immigrants in general.
>>4110071No you're just autistic about Susie.
>>4110075Chapter 5 made Susie a drooling retard
>>4109944>FemKris elsewhere is purely for pornSo just like it is for 99% of femKris posts here?
>>4110075So what? Susie is a poorly written, annoying character.
>>4110070 (me)Adding to this, it's generally hard to tell what parts of the sword route game Kris likes and doesn't like. Or if Kris's own morbid curiosity is overriding any negative reaction they're having. That's kind of the point I think, that we don't really know Kris as well as we might assume.
>>4110060I don't think Kris cares for our sympathy. If they did, why not treat us nicer instead of slamming us into cages or not making dark fountains in front of us right after an explanation of how they can bring the apocalypse? Or prevent us from attaining codes by ripping us out or ripping them up in front of us? Or giving us some information about the incident that ruined their life? If we look at the rest of Kris' behaviour, they seem focused on making sure we get as little information as possible/achieving very little while still fulfilling our role as fountain sealing sponge, even when it comes at the cost of their own health they'll treat the soul violently just to prevent it from progressing. Besides, a presumed empty room is basically the least of Kris's problems if we look at everything else in the shitshow that is their life.
>>4110078You're still being autistic about her to the point you're erasing her out of pictures. It's pathetic
>>4109974The thing is, Asgore's humiliation is believable and deserved in story and is presented quite fairly in my opinion. The reason people call it out is because Toriel is bad in her own ways and is never really shown to have been supportive of Asgore except for when he wasn't being problematic or wishy washy, basically she abandons him as soon as things go south and is presented as never being in the wrong.
>>4110058>Yes I am the final boss...>Can't you tell? I have a unique and memorable theme though...>And be ready, you haven't seen my second phase yet...>What? What I am saying is getting you out of it?...>There's no way... this is what you asked for right?>In fact, it is what you paid for, even, no? 25$, was it?>Didn't you want to see me do this?>No? You liked me better as a hat creature?>Always with the hat thing huh...>Truth is... you're just treephobic...>You're mad at me because I revealed to you that I was a tree...>You wanted the twist to be something better... you wanted Kris or Noelle to be the knight...>And you are mad about the yuri... oh you are so mad about the yuri...>It's a shame Suselle ended up not being a thing because you had to kill them both...>It's a shame Kriselle or Krusie were not a thing either because Kris didn't let you...>You're just like Kris, a terrible cuck
>>4110074If he was a plant like everyone else, why would Flowery call him an impossibility?
>>4109982>she holds their hand to school while also avoiding the elephant in the house.That's what some people are like though, they support you in the ways they can think of but avoid topics that are uncomfortable. Most people itt judge the characters with like no understanding of human psychology.
>>4109996>being slapped around by the mayor who keeps him on a leash by threatening eviction and offering special mayor discounts despite him having a failing business already while making him clean her toiletFindom kino. You wouldn't understand.
>>4110074Someone unbury that meme about racist Ralsei
>>4110072That was a follow up to the conversation about Mettaton not ending up being used as nostalgiabait but I guess I can't expect everyone to follow
It's funny how so little of the game's story is allowed to be straightforward to the point you can have two entirely opposing viewpoints that have equal chances of being true and it's quite literally for every single little thing>Kris sleeps on his own side of the room>ACTUALLY he is sleeping on the wrong side on purposeAnd shit as petty as this won't even be solved until after the game is finished lol. THE FUCKING SIDE OF THE ROOM HE SLEEPS ON, I fucking can't.
>>4110004>You can play this game with any character.there is no undertale + deltarune character more raped and robbed than asgore, this is just a known fact
>>4110051Oh yeah. Now reply to every post he makes, that'll show him not to post here for attention anymore!
>>4110096No it's just extreme retardation at this point. But it's Toby fault for needing to subvert everything in the first place.
>>4110066Was his name really Joseph? That sounds so normal for such a famous foreigner.
>>4110071Susie broke you.
Does Toby have a split personality? One is a good writer, and the other is a drooling retard.
>>4110087How the fuck should I know? We don't even know if the town is real yet.
>>4110105I've seen people argue that its obviously a teen romance that is about to crash. Not sure where that's even hinted at though.
>>4110109It's just PURE and RAW cope.
>>4110105They balance each other out. One part is Toby, the other part is Fox.>>4110109Is that because you haven't played WR and seen the real Noelle yet?
>>4110083>I don't think Kris cares for our sympathy.they do for self-preservation purposes, anything that could deter the player from fucking with them is a net positive to kris, they dont care about making the player like them, just making the player care enough to not fuck them over>If they did, why not treat us nicerimportant plan reasons, obviously they wouldnt let us see them>instead of slamming us into cagespart of the initial sympathybait was making the player think they were le heckin evilerino possessing kris and forcing them to need the player to live or else they die, with the soul ripping thing from ch1 making us think that he'd keel over and die quickly due to the limping thing, thus, reframing the cage thing as "omgg they hate us so much because we're conquering their life" which was effective for the sympathybait back in the ch2 days, but we know now from ch4 that the limping thing is a fuckin lie and they can move just fine without the soul (infact, kris can live for an entire night without the soul lmao), kris seemed more worried about the sympathybait back in earlier chapters but started gearing towards the knight stuff, likely because they think they've fulfilled the purpose of the sympathybait stuff already
>>4110089Toriel is one of those people and I can understand where she's coming from to an extent, but the shit with Kris keeps piling up. There's only so many times she can say that Kris does this sometimes, Kris just wanted a minimalistic style for their room, Kris just talks to a creepy voice on the phone sometimes (yes I know she probably doesn't know about this, that just makes it worse) until it becomes concerning how all she can do is avoid these topics with Kris. It's realistic in that sense, maybe Toriel has tried to confront this and gotten nowhere, but it's still messed up that this is all she can do or think to do.
>>4110085>Toriel>presented as never being in the wrongDid we play the same game? Just because Toby isn't beating you over the head with it like he does with Asgore doesn't mean it's not there. Going back to Undertale, there was a part in the 10th anniversary stream where Toby explained that one of the early playtesters told him Toriel was too perfect and he changed her accordingly. She's not supposed to be an unambiguously good character, she's just better at hiding her faults and you're expected to pay attention to that. I'll give you a few examples of Toriel being presented as in the wrong. She disrespects Carol to Rudy's face at church in chapter 4. Rudy then politely corrects her, and when Toriel continues to disrespect Carol, Rudy tells an embarassing story about Toriel college. This is meant to signal two main things to the player, that Toriel was not and still is not the perfect angel she pretends to be. Another example is in chapter 5, when you're leading Susie and Noelle around during the festival. Susie refuses to go near Kris's house because she doesn't want to see Toriel again after she saw her shitfaced the night before.
>>4110105>I LWIKE YOU TWO :)))Bravo Toby
>>4110037oh NO
>>4110096>And shit as petty as this won't even be solved until after the game is finished lol. THE FUCKING SIDE OF THE ROOM HE SLEEPS ON, I fucking can't.the only way this could be solved instantly is if we could get noelle to come into kris' room and get her throw some damning comment like "hey why are you looking at your brother's bed?" while inspecting stuff
>>4109972To be fair that's not the worse defense for Pink I've seen here.
>>4110115the toriel and carol stuff will be explained in a future chapter
>>4110096>so little of the game's story is allowed to be straightaint that the fucking truth
Toriel and Kris actually switched rooms, Toriel sleeps in the big bed the brothers used to share and Kris sleeps in the bed on Toriel's side of the room. The reason Kris' old room is locked is because he doesn't want to see his old room anymore. You have NO way of debunking this yet.
>>4110096I can't believe this mystery story has mysteries and misdirects in it. Nothing like this has ever happened before.
>>4110105I still can't believe this is real.
>>4110114>>4110115>>4110124Toriel is a hardworking single mom with a full time job, cut her some slack.
>>4110113You're right about the creepy shambling thing, I forgot about that. You're got a point with Kris gearing away from trying to make us sympathize with them as the chapters have gone on, especially if it interferes with their plans, like how they stop the shambling and snap back to normal when Noelle shows up. The room swap is going too far for no real gain though and I still don't believe that.I really hope there's a future moment where this is tackled, if nothing else it'd be nice to have a moment to show the people who think the player cannot be anything but evil that Kris is closer to Maddie/the ghost than Mew Mew in the Pink metaphor and that they fell for the bait.
>>4110130One time it's "It's just Undertale 2 guys" and one time it's "It's an Agatha Christie novel guys (but Dess is the Knight)". I swear to god some of you guys man...
>>4110130I can believe that Toby wanted to be unique and accidentally told his mystery story in an unsatisfactory manner due to wanting the reveals to recontextualize literally everything but also wanted consistent hype so a 50 hour story ended up taking 10 yearswhich led to some disappointment from fans.
>>4110134>Toriel is a hardworking single mom with a full time job, cut her some slack.Toriel is a party slut. Rudy knows all about her. The whole town probably does, too.
>>4109952>random unused doodle from Undertale>comes back as a weird guy for deltarune>absorbs the mad mailer concept>keeps stealing spots in the story for himself>role keeps getting BIGGER YET BIGGER>almost shut down by beta testers>survived into release anyway>becomes the biggest meme of the entire game>has the most listened song in the game>had an entire promotional event centered on himselfSpamton truly is the big shot
>>4110143There's nothing about being a party slut when you were younger.
>>4110145Nothing wrong*
>>4110140Yeah it's really a shame and accidental that Toby used all the tricks in the book used by the big bucks shows and long-running anime
>>4110109>Not sure where that's even hinted at though.every susie/noelle interaction in the festival is a hint + susie tossing noelle's phone as she gets news about her dad falling down.in my opinion it's a gambit, either this horrible romance is foreshadowing a break up or it's the shittiest yuri slop ever hamfisted into a game.
>>4110105This happened with Undertale too. The tragedy of Chara and Asriel has layers galore to it that people are still discussing them to this day, but Alphyne is just the most shlock shit you've ever seen and no one talks about it beyond "YAAAAAAAS LET'S GO LESBIANS!!!!1"
>>4110123pink's real issue is having literally fucking nothing going on outside of the fight. pretty much out of the way (not unike Undertale's equivalent) during the chapter and neither half of her initially had any clear or interesting ties anything else.like the disconnect to everything else is so jarring i sometimes wonder if she's supposed to do something later or what.
>>4110145Nothing right*
>>4110139assuming 4chan is just one person will reduce your mental health over time
>>4110145She's still a party slut.
>>4110153But it's true! Everyone here is ME.
If Kris were smart he'd of putted the seeds inside Flowery's stem before'd Susie come to tape him up, that way Flownery die of buttercup poisoning.
This is still the funniest fucking deltarune fanart I've ever seen. If this isn't sincere then it's masterful satire. This guy has made dozens of these.
>>4110149>every susie/noelle interaction in the festival is a hintSusie bruteforcing the hammer game by just hitting both buttons at the same time is at the very crossroads of "Susie is a actual idiot" and "Susie is going to make this work and this scene is a shining beacon of why I the writer think the ship is good".
>>4110096>entirely opposing viewpoints that have equal chances of being trueAnd when the wave function collapses into a single true answer, some fags will go LOLOLOLOLOL YOU'RE A RETARD over shit that was a completely reasonable reading of the text before we got more context
>>4110105>>4110150Conclusion: Toby's IQ drops sharply when he starts writing yuri scenes. Yuri causes mental deterioration.
>>4110151she's just jevil but what if he were a woman
>>4110157At least he's honest with himself and his work.
>>4110148It is a shame because those didn't take a decade to have any sort of payoff at all. The only saving grace for Deltarune, and this is a big one that most AAA companies can't comprehend, is that the gameplay is great and the characters are nice to look at. The music is great too of course, but the story just doesn't hold up because it all hinges on the last chapter.
>>4110161that makes me angry cause I ALSO want Jevil to do something
>>4110143>oh kris it was chaos, chaos>dicks in your mom on one side, cum on the floor on the other>asgore watching it all from the recliner
>>4110156That would only make Flowery pregnant and he'd give birth like Guts' mother in the dark world
>>4110160But he managed to write good Kriselle scenes which makes your theory wrong.
>>4110105This combined with Skies Blue Forever kills the average Susellebot
>>4110161Shut the fuck up, literally just female Jevil in Ch5 would have been a far better character than her and made for a better secret boss.
>>4110159>some fags will go LOLOLOLOLOL YOU'RE A RETARD over shit that was a completely reasonable reading of the textThat's me when a theory I supported blows up and I want to punish other people for believing it due to my own insecurities
>>4110171>SFBThe Vessel x Soul song?
>>4110161Jevil is smart and thought-provoking, Pink is two retarded teenagers in love with two guys from the same family.
>>4110151Jevil didn't have much in chapter 1 but he got a little more in the long run and he has the advantage of not being a recycled Undertale character.Pink would have been an amazing opportunity to "do another Berdly" while also having a unique hook as a concept, but having characters other than the main party be active throughout the whole game became a no-no since chapter 3 for some reason.
>>4110158or it represents susie brute-forcing decisions for noelle similarly to how the soul does it to kris. combine this with the other interactions in the festival where susie constantly gets aggressive and petty over the smallest shit and it will make a lot more sense.
>>4110109If you dig a little deeper, you'll find that the entire festival is littered with hints that Suselle will crash and burn.The Ferris wheel ride: When Kris and Noelle ride together, Susie couldn't hit their window even once, and the wheel makes a full rotation. When Noelle rides with Susie, the Ferris wheel only goes halfway.The Hammer Game: The bell rings only when Kris and Noelle are playing this game. Noelle syncs up with Kris regardless of whether you hit early, late, or on time. When Susie plays with Noelle, Susie completely ruins it and hits the bell too early, so Noelle doesn't have time to react, and the bell doesn't ring.The King and Queen game: shows us that Noelle still has feelings for Kris and is still drawn to him.>>4110158Susie couldn't ruin this scene, though. She threw rocks many times but never once hit their cabin. NOTHING was able to disrupt Kriselle moment.
>>4110161Jevil wasn't a fucker from Undertale who already had two fights and two songs.>>4110166Apparently Jevil is known by some darkners in chapter 2 but that wasn't elaborated much.
Lesbian Kriselle is best Kriselle.
>>4110177>>4110178If Susie is destined to fail, then Chapter 5 would have been an endless stalemate of the heroes STILL trying to survive against the unkillable Titan.
>>4110178>THE HALFWAY MARK HAS BEEN REACHED>THIS IS AS FAR AS SUSELLE GOES>NOW HOW MUCH LONGER WILL I WAIT>MY KRISELLE
>>4110182It's no use talking to that anon, he's too far gone.
Madstablook isn't even his real name, he's Mad Dummy because he's an angry retard and when he combines with Mew Mew he gives her body a huge throbbing futanari penis.
>>4110183>My KriselleNigga he's the one who wrote the prophecy Gaster LOVES Suselle.
>>4110179since Heartache was originally "Joker Battle" you could technically say does two songs
>>4110182how come?
>>4110186Prove Susie has a soul and love.That's right, you can't.
>>4110184I can SAVE him...!!
>>4110101Stalin's first name is Iosib, which is the Georgian version of Joseph. And the Russian version of Joseph is Iosif, which what he is called in Russia. There is nothing strange about him having such a "normal" name since Georgia is also a Christian country.Fun fact: names Ivan and John are of the same origin. Ivan ->Ioan -> Joan -> John.
>>4110188Because the only reason the heroes defeated the Titan was due to Susie's jackass bruteforce stunt. If she didn't come up with the idea to dunk Kris into the Titan, they'd still be holding out for as long as the player is willing to put up with it.
>>4110185finally a real fucking theory and not some shipping bullshit
>>4110170Kriselle literally uses a romantic trope in which a boy falls in love with his childhood neighbor - Girl next door.
>>4110189>SoulShe exists and isn't rotting away like a certain human>LoveShe cares about things and clearly loves Noelle (also Kris too but she doesn't how to express those feelings)
>>4110167LMAO
>>4110194Apparently girls don't have neighbors of the same sex now?
>>4110192so susie has to slam dunk noelle's pussy in chapter 6 or chapter 5 flowery wouldn't exist?idk, doesn't match my interpretation at all.
>>4110187It's really weird because Heartache doesn't fit Jevil at all. Bonetrousle being just a generic battle theme at first is also odd.
It's funny how nothing matters in any chapter except 3 and how none of the game's degeneracy would exist if society had properly shunned and denounced heavy metal music.
>>4110185Oh, my full name? It's Madotsuki Dummy
>>4110203I love degeneracy and heavy metal music.
>>4110192And, you know, Gerson coming in to save them.
Which anons are the most easy to bait?
>>4110209anything ending in "elle"
>>4110198This romantic trope applies only to heterosexual relationships.
>>4110203That's what best girls Toriel and Carol are here for
>>4110201well he was workshopping the shit at the time. then again if he went through with it everything probably would've considerable different than the stuff and style we're used to, especially since it would've been new
>>4110213Says who?
>I just... I see you as more a big, sister really...>I hope we can still be friends though, fa-ha-ha>(Kris help me out here!)
>>4110215I can hear Heartache sounding medieval and a bit circus-like, but more like for a fancy jester than a mad clown like Jevil.
>>4110217>You say that...after we kissed?>(Help me here Kris! Noelle has gone insane...)
>>4110170>>4110198Holy obnoxious yurifag. You just can't help yourself, can you? Kris was pranking and teasing Noelle to get as much attention from her as possible. You know, little boys love to tease the girls they like. I did the same thing when I was little. But I guess you never did anything like that, which is why you grew up to be such a faggot.
>Retard FemKris is back
>>4110209Complain about anything in the game and someone will come up and say you were raped.Even better if you try to imagine an alternative.
>>4110216>Say people who aren't mentally-ill and porn addicted.
>>4110198>Those clothesTroonkris...
>>4110216Common sense. Because relationships between two girls are completely different and can't develop the same way as those between a boy and a girl.
>>4110216Homosexuals don't find their lovers next door, it's just basic statistics, why do you think they move to larger cities?
>>4110220You're so easy to bait it's hilarious. Anyways, girls do the same to other girls and Deltarune literally has Aqua (a girl) act exactly like Kid Kris.What, are you gonna argue Aqua is "spiritually" a boy now?
>>4110159>some fags will go LOLOLOLOLOL YOU'RE A RETARD over shit that was a completely reasonable reading of the text before we got more contextthis is only a valid response if their believers were acting like snobby assholes over their theories as if they weren't at risk of meeting the same fate as kris knights
>>4110229By that logic Kris also has one eye.
>>4110217I know it sounds like cope, but this could unironically happen given Noelle's attraction to Susie comes from her resemblance to Dess. Noelle is literally confusing love with nostalgia.
>>4110234Or three eyes.Or two!
>>4110233>acting like snobby assholes over their theoriesdescribes literally every single theory ever
>>4110229Krisellefags and Krisellefag haters bait each other into feigned outrage endlessly like a snake baiting its own tail
>>4110229>Yuriniggers are now discussing children's sexualityWhy am I not surprised?
>>4110240Ouroboros...
>>4110235i believe in it happening so much i no longer consider it a theory but rather a spoiler warning
>>4110242But you're the one who keeps talking about how Little Kris is such a manly man that does EVERYTHING a boy does.
>>4110239dess knighters are the biggest offenders of this, however (pun intended)
>>4110229>girls do the same to other girlsDidn't you ever fucking go to kindergarten or elementary school? None of the girls acted like that.>AquaAqua's pranks are just for fun. She pranks everyone and having fun. She's just silly. Kris's pranks are deliberate and mainly focused on Noelle because that's how he gets her attention. Don't you see the difference here?
>>4110217what if toby turns this into an incest thing where noelle was actually attracted to dess and wanted to recreate that feeling with somebody else she would also see as a big sister?
>>4110250Everyone kills themselves except Desselle shippers.
>>4110248She only mainly pranks Seth to be fair (Noelle)
>>4110250It already is but tobasco doesn't have the balls to make it clear and official.
>>4110246>Schizo thinks there's one guyI know you have a porn addiction just because of the fixations you make on this shit and this game. You're the kind of brain-fried faggot who would explain that Ranma is an allegory for trans people. Seriously, go get help, there are genres that are way more suited to your deviancy. I don't even know who you're trying to convince here. It probably turns you on sexually? You can't even find a better example than the trope you seem not to understand.
>>4110247I can't remember the last time I saw an actual Dess Knighter defending his position here.
>>4110252Doelesterfags are vindicated yet again too, and at that point they'll probably just shrug and go "yeah Carol had to have been in on it too" for a full-on doelester oyakodon.
>>4110254She plays pranks on everyone she can. And her pranks are silly because she's just a silly girl. What Kris did was completely different.
>>4110250what if the world was made of pudding?
>>4110248doesnt aqua like pranking seth specifically? most of the silly shit she does specifically screws seth over (such as the vs seth and aqua battle stuff)
>>4110250then toby fox is the greatest writer of all time and space and will not be fully appreciated until 200 years after his death
>>4110254seth is an asriel parallel too through, wouldnt this imply that kris had something freudian going on?
>>4110248young girls can and do act silly when they're around elementary school age it's not until middle school where it's physically and emotionally beaten out of them by the top bitches until they're part of the foid hivemind
>>4110264you gotta wonder how much aqua is just pretending to be a retard
>>4110209humanfag 100%
I was looking at the old text and I think I found something most people overlookedDess is implied to join our party at some point based off Dragon Blazers
Guys I can't believe Kris did the bathbomb prank in their own house to get Noelle's attention!
>>4110254>>4110264Seth has absolutely no parallels with Noelle. And Aqua does it because it's fun, not to get attention.
>WELL THIS ONE FLOWER SURE IS A PARALLEL TO THIS CHARACTER BECAUSE GLASSES/SILHOUETTE COLOR/REFERENCE/IDFKdid you guys learn nothing about patternfagging?
>>4110254>She only mainly pranks SethKrisdly confirmed?
>>4110267Asriel is not in the game so as far as I know your interpretation is fanfiction
>>4110269id say like 80%the other 20% is just the usual "eight year old with autism wearing a XXL t-shirt because tight clothing is hell for them" stuff.
>>4110271>it's the "boss gets nerfed when it joins your party" tropeFUCK.
Seth is a Dess parallel so Kress confirmed everybody go home.
>>4110271>WHEN your sister gets cursed>she's STILL your party memberthe text implies that your (older) sister was already on the party and simply got cursed somehow, obviously dess is not in our party yet, so this cant be about dess
>>4110268I've never seen a girl pull another girl's pigtail to get attention. Only boys do that. It's natural.
>>4110271>Even if her stats suckIs Noelle talking about Kris or Ralsei here?
>>4110268>young girls act like boys until they grow up and are forced to act like girlsBased.
>>4110271>anon picked the bald vessel
>>4110271You get stuck with Lost Girl Dess who's been raped by FRIENDs for the past half decade, who theoretically has Darker Than Dark powers, but can't use them unless she's in Darker Than Darkness.
>>4110284>A woman's natural state is that of the tomboyTruly we cannot hate this society enough.
>>4110275aqua and orange are the clearest kris parallels ever
>>4110271Maybe she was in the party in a previous loop>but muh nite stronkJust means she was buffed by whatever made her the Knight, I swear you guys only like to take your theories to a specified conclusion and end it there instead of thinking about it further because that would disprove the theory you're a fan of
>>4110288Orang is the Noelle parallel though.Which means Aqua x Orange is canon just like Kriselle is canon.
>>4110288Orange is a mouse so she is a parallel to the player
>>4110288>>4110290you guys learned nothing lmao
>>4110272That may be true. Noelle and Kris used to play together at each other's houses.
>>4110288sex with Orange
>>4110281NTA but it doesn't have to be 1-to-1. Most of the dragon blazers parallels aren't.
>>4110290explain why orange is only a noelle parallel and not a susie & kris parallel then
>>4110293I am happy in my own patternfagging, what about you?
>>4110293there's a difference between "the hair in rouxls' ass are a parallel to the titan" and "the characters with similar struggles to another character's are a parallel to said character with similar struggles
>>4110284i say it's more children act like children until society forces them to act like men/ womenthere are pros and cons to this, obviously acting like a child forever will only cause problems for everyone but some of the societal expectations for men and women can be nonsensical and harmful at times
>>4110297>She's the smallest of the group (just like Kid Noelle was the smallest in her own group)>Both are extremely weak until there's an outside force that helps them (Green/The Player in Side B)>Noelle is connected to mouses and cheese (EXCHEESE ME?!) and Orange is a ratThere's probably more but yeah that's the parallels i can think of right now.Also Orange can also be a Susie parallel nothing say you can't parallel more than one character.
How does Seam know about the secret bosses we'll fight before their respective dark worlds have even been opened?
>>4110303That's a great question! For another time. And none of the protagonists bothered questioning his sneakiness.
>>4110301>i say it's more children act like children until society forces them to act like men/ womenBullshit. Boys often tease girls to get attention. We're animals, and it happens instinctively.
>>4110303Because he's on some schizo bullshit, remember that he actually understood half of the mad ramblings Jevil was saying ever since the meeting with the Strange Someone fucked him up.
>>4110303Prophecy shit.
>>4110303Flowery told him
>>4110296>it doesn't have to be 1-to-1This is what you guys say to allow yourselves to draw parallels between literally everyone>uhhhhhhh Lancer and Jockington are Toriel parallels IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 1-TO-1 YOU SUSELLE TRANNY!
Wait so the bed kris sleeps in might actually be asriel's?
>>4110301>obviously acting like a child forever will only cause problems for everyone As proven by these threads>but some of the societal expectations for men and women can be nonsensical and harmful at timesI'm sorry you had to get a job lmao
>>4110302>Noelle is Orange because she has an overbiteLol>>4110303Maybe he's connected to his picture on the computer which has all the info from Krisriel's game
Stupid chud children.
>>4110157I'm certain this is intentional and it's funny that this is what people think 7B will be. Kris and Noelle shockfest.
>>4110178>you'll find that the entire festival is littered with hints that Suselle will crash and burn.Chapter 6's reception will be super fan. Sad that Deltarune is banned on /v/ though.
Quick!What's the LAST thing people would expect out of chapter 6 that also doesn't contradicts anything revealed so far about it?
>>4110296eh, idk, it sounds more like susie (the DESS older sister parallel btw) is gonna be the cursed sister parallel that you choose to keep around, sorta like a rock paper scissors triangle parallel esque thing
>>4110205That's Frisk with braids though, but I guess Pink (body) is the Frisk flower so fair enough.
>>4110313scroll up>>4110322asriel appearing?
>>4110322By "serious" he meant he's taking development more seriously than with 5 and the chapter is basically 4 again where it's all fun and games and only the finale of the chapter is serious
>>4110209Krisellefag not even being biased. Just look at it.>>4110178
>>4110319>it's funny that this is what people think 7B will beWho the fuck thinks that? I mean, I am expecting lots of drama and Kris dying or Noelle ending up utterly broken or also dead but not shit like that.
>>4110327I was just discussing some moments from the game.
>>4110324I know I'm not too mentally ill when I can't recognize a single character in this image
>>4110326Correct, we need yet another chapter of wholesome Suselle moments and Evil Homophobic Bitch Carol as the antagonist before she's taught the error of her ways, gives Suselle her blessing, and then Knight kidnaps her, THEN the story gets serious for real (but not really, we have ONE MORE quirky Castle Town visit because you weren't allowed to redeem your Pure Crystal in Chapter 6 as the Darkners were conveniently blocking off Seam's Seap for the duration of your Chapter 6 visit).
>>4110327>KrisellefagHalf the anons in this thread are krisellefags.
>>4110329Kek you discuss the same moments the same way every single day bro
>>4110322Sans being actually important to the plot lmao. Catti is FRIEND. Asriel is the Knight. Kris is a boy.
>>4110322the lederdump is actually in ch6 about the one thing
>>4110332Different types of Krisellefags though.
>>4110329>>4110332I meant this post, my mistake>>4110220>Half the anons in this thread are krisellefags.Maybe but they aren't THE Kriselle autist. He tries really hard to climb above them all like autistically editing Susie out of pictures.>>4110059
>>4110331You really let this suselle stuff get to you, huh?
>>4110332Anon is talking about a specific Krisellefag who hates Susie with the passion of an ex-lover. Truly, so much hate can only be born from broken love.
>>4110332No, there's believing that the game is signaling Kriselle as endgame due to what we learn in WR and how so much of Noelle's life is tied toKris then there's being the guy who lives and breathes Kriselle obsession and Suselle hate.
>>4110338Chapter 5 quite literally ended on "look forward to even more wholesome lesbian moments!" with Castle Town getting redecorated in a Christmas style to welcome Noelle.If Susie wants something, it's gonna happen, just like how she bullshat her way through the Titan and all of the festival games.As such, the narrative will ignore the fact Noelle should probably prioritize being by her father's side while he's nearing death in favor of having her spout quirky dialogue where half of it is how much she wants Susie to snap her spine in half.
>>4110333Anon asked a question, and I answered him. I don't see anything wrong with that. >every single dayNot really.
>>4110336name 5 different types of krisellefags
>>4110258NTA but you're very clearly one guy who says the same arguments day by day, no idea why you have to pretend otherwise.
>>4110339my eyes saw the blue highlight on susie's axe next to her pink hair and white background and my mind instantly placed a tranny flag there for a secondgod I can't fucking take this anymore
>>4110275Any other flower is reaching sure, but Aqua is really blatant>That's, um, nostalgic.Noelle when you try to equip AquaKnife
>>4110339>who hates SusieMost of the anons in this thread hate Susie. Especially after Chapter 5.
>>4110275Only Aqua is a Kris parallel because they're the cyan soul btw.
>>4110345Don't look at Noelle's room or you will get a heart attack then.
>>4110346>the "is that... A KNIFE!?!?!?!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" flashback wasn't actually related to THAT DAY, it was related to a moment where Kris begged Dess to get him his own knife after he saw her survivalist knife and thought it was the coolest shit ever
>>4110339Does anyone even like Susie?
>>4110295Based human loli enjoyer.
>>4110351The prophecy does, so does every Darkner ever except King because he's a fat loser and probably parallels Susie's dad.
>>4110344Yeah yeah, schizo, only one person is complaining, that's well known lmao, everyone loves your delusion
>>4110346Kris is definitely an Aqua!
>>4110322Papyrus showing up and being plot relevant.
>>4110337>editing Susie out of pictures.That is a noble cause.
>>4110347I am a Krisellefag who doesn't hate Susie, mostly because I am convinced Suselle is set up to fail anyway. She's a bully, but so is Kris, so it's hypocritical to hate her just for that. And if your argument for hating her is that she used Kris to get close to Noelle, well, Kris is using everyone too, aren't they? Honestly, I like all the main characters.
>>4110346orange is the second closest kris parallel, there's even the faint courage theme and the "charge your BRAVELY COLORED HEART" line to support it alongside the shared kris & susie parallels
>>4110337>He tries really hard to climb above them all like autistically editing Susie out of pictures.can we see examples of that? there's no fucking way
>>4110339I miss Soseji.
>>4110341>>4110342A simple "yes" would suffice.
>>4110360Orange is also the most antagonistic of the flowers, constantly starting shit based on presumptions and misunderstandings and a constantly need to prove herself to fight off her low self-esteem, and then immediately crying for Green (her equivalent to Asriel) if someone tries to put her in her place.
Sex with Aqua and ERAM that's definitively another loli
>>4110347Stop projecting your opinions onto the thread, Krisellefag
>>4110362I don't. That moron deleted all their art, and now it's almost impossible to find it. Fuck them.
>>4110359>it's hypocritical to hate her just for that.Not when Kris is literally me when I play and I never bullied anybody.
Deltarune fans are confronted with the thought every day: what if the game had been good?
>>4110354I literally said I'm not the guy you were arguing with, you're proving my point Kriselleschizo.
>>4110359Susie isn't just a bully, she's a rat. Just look at what she's saying to Kris. She knows perfectly well that Kris and Noelle had some feelings for each other, but she says it anyway. She's messed up.
>>4110360How about just every single flower is Kris because Kris is human and they all say that their human and every character is Kris except when they're Noelle or Susie or whatever
>>4110365ERAM is literally Kris tho, so you are fucking little Kris.
>>4110371>I said I'm not a schizo, BUT YOU ARE!Take your meds nigger
>>4110361I literally linked an example already. >>4110005>>4110059Plus here's him admitting it>>4110357
>>4110372And she ONLY admits this revisionism for why she bullied Kris on the "Aborted" Weird Route, where Kris and Noelle are at their unmistakable closest.She could have kept it at "sorry for all the bullshit dude, i was jealous that you seemed like you had a decent mom" but nooooooo, she WANTS to make it clear that all along, it was ACTUALLY about Noelle.Actual fucking cunt. And this is who the prophecy favors and constantly puts in the right? Just let The Roaring rape us all now.
>>4110366>Stop projecting your opinions onto the thread, KrisellefagHere you go, anon.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/742253353/#742265946https://arch.b4k.dev/vrpg/chunk/4068241/500/2/Search for: How long do you think we will stay mad at Susie?
>>4110367Fuck you.
In some alternate timeline, anons are having the time of their lives memeing about the three new schizos they got in Deltarune.Still think our timeline isn't cursed?
>>4110376>Plus here's him admitting itKek what? I'm a different guy. I just appreciate what he does.
>You're schizo because you don't like SusieI suppose there are a lot of schizos following this logic.
>>4110367That's why I miss her, if she was still around this wouldn't have happened. There's a guy reuploading her art though.https://x.com/sosesoseji_fan
>>4110382You're a krisellefag parallel
>>4110384>because you don't like SusieSomething tells me this is a heavily doctored version of the various reasons people labeled you a schizo.
>>4110377>she WANTS to make it clear that all along, it was ACTUALLY about Noelle.Susie is selfish and hypocritical, so it's no surprise. She's willing to throw Kris under the bus just to get some doe pussy. How on earth can anyone like this bitch?
>>4110382>obamacongratulatinghimself.png
>>4110374Well, as long is just the memory
>>4110389Well, then, please explain the reason to me. By the way, I'm not the one who edits Susie from the pics. There are actually a bunch of people here hating on Susie. That's crazy.
Toby realistically and successfully portrayed how annoying and obnoxious teenagers are in Deltarune.Every kid in Alphys's classroom is a jerk to some extent, and the protagonists just happen to be the worst ones. Every single one of them is a shitty friend, willing to throw the others under the bus at any moment. Maybe except Temmie.
>>4110393Sometimes you just have to admit you made a mistake, buddy.
>>4110322Kris is actually not working with the Knight and he just assumes what the Knight is doing, like someone studying a wild animal
>>4110397>Maybe except Temmie.Nah, she's in on the assholery too, she's literally connected to the Forgotten Man but insists on being vague and unknowable about it.
>>4110401Alright, so I guess Jockington? But he is a weird local celebrity and that's annoying by itself.
>>4110397deltarune temmie is the chill autistic teenager that isnt bullied but isnt given too much attention either
>>4110395She was already starting to get annoying, acting like the story belongs to her when we're the ones letting her experience it, but Chapter 5 makes me utterly despise her. Unless it was planned, I hope I can wipe her out soon.
>>4110397Is toby even aware how unlikeable his protagonists are turning or he is so invested into teen drama he thinks they're amazing?
>>4110366All the krusiefags are dead. This really shows just how much people's opinions of Susie have changed. A lot of people hate her now. And she deserved that hatred. Maybe you saw what was going on on /v/ during the first two weeks after Chapter 5 was released.
>>4110402Nah he cucked me
>>4110405They ARE amazing.
>>4110385>https://x.com/sosesoseji_fanThanks. I didn't know about this dude.
>>4110105I HATE YURISLOP
>>4110412Yet you play yurislop and constantly post in threads about it! Curious.
>Yuri is the highest form of literature. The lesbian romance? The handholding? The trials and the tribulations? Peak fiction.>BUT. That's only one part of it. to truly appreciate it you need NTR. Watching the girl you like get swept away by your middle school bully while you just sit there in your chair helplessly. Absolutely amazing. Suselle is canon because I wanted to combine the ultimate highs of romance with the agonizing despair of a romantic cuckoldry sub-plot. it's the perfect narrative cocktail.>Look forward to chapter 6 in 2027!
>>4110402He's in the prophecy, and because we don't know shit about the prophecy that means his entire bloodline could be a part of a prophetic conspiracy.
>>4110406Maybe but not as much as this particular schizo:>>4110372>>4110392
>>4110414Take a look at the post I replied to. I play for what's on the left. Because of well-written scenes like that. Not because of disgusting, retarded YURISLOP on the right.
>>4110409NP. It just sucks that the reuploads are usually in lower quality, though.
>>4110426Kriselle is at least half yurislop because nothing has confirmed Kris as male lmao
>>4110425I don't understand why you call him schizo? His hatred is completely rational and understandable.
>>4110425Methinks the real schizo is the guy who shitposts whenever someone shits on Susie.
>>4110429Kriselle is heterosexualcoded. That's just how it's written. Toby can't even hide it properly. Some dykes even got hysterical about it when they played Chapter 5 WR.
>>4110417>your middle school bullyWhose?
>>4110437Toby speaks from personal experience.
>>4110436>Kriselle is heterosexualcoded.Actual projection>Some dykesSo you literally have the same thought processes as lesbians? Guess it explains your yuri garbage obsession.
>>4110439The Krisellefag will just repost the same pictures and same talking points, don't bother.
>>4110445Yeah but he'll do that whether you talk to him or not
>>4110439>So you literally have the same thought processes as lesbians?What I'm saying is that Kriselle is clearly written as a relationship between a boy and a girl. It's obvious to everyone, including dykes.
>>4110425>you're a schizo for having the most common opinion about this game on this website
>>4110445>the same picturesWhat's the big deal? Why are you seething? These pictures are literally dialogues and scenes from the game. You're literally obsessed with me.
Shipbaiting to such a degree that people care more about it than theorizing about the narrative of your game because there's actual grounded material to work with in shipping material over pure guesswork in story speculation was a mistake.
>>4110405>Is toby even aware how unlikeable his protagonists arehe doesn't give a FUCK about the lightners because they can not be turned into MERCHANDISE which makes far more profit than the game itself
>>4110453>>4110459>>4110460Nobody has a problem with your opinion, anon. The thing is you keep repeating the same posts, the same pics, the same arguments. It is repetitive and therefore boring. I'm sure most anon here actually agree with you on some stuff, but you are such an autist that they might as well be talking to a bot.
>>4110464The only reason people care about shipping to this extent is because of self-insert wish fulfillment above all.
>>4110337Is life so boring that you've started making up your personal boogeyman?>He tries really hard to climb above them all like autistically editing Susie out of pictures.Plural? Are you hallucinating? I only see one edited picture ITT.
>>4110466This. The problem is that he's basically a Krisellebot that spits out the same responses over the same topics that trigger him
>>4110466>Saying this but not to >>4110467 who's repeating the same bait againI'm noticing...
>>4110464to be perfectly fair there isn't much to speculate that hasn't been put to it's own theory outside of small foreshadowing details in early chapters and the thrash machine
>>4110470My post isn't bait but just the truth, anon.
>>4110466>and therefore boring.Then why does everyone including you reply to him literally every single time?
>>4110466>The thing is you keep repeating the same posts, the same pics, the same argumentsAnd I'll keep repeating them because they're facts.>It is repetitive and therefore boring. I don't care what you think. If I see a question I want to answer, I'll answer it. I don't have to put on a whole show like a clown every time just to give an answer.
>>4110464>>4110467Holy retards. Shipping is literally part of the game. Suselle is literally woven into the main story from chapter 5 onward. Look at this >>4110105 awful, poorly written shit. That's what's in store for you in chapter 6.
>>4110480Why do you play this game if you hate it this much?
>>4110466>The thing is you keep repeating the same postsEveryone keeps repeating their posts because we're running out of things to talk about.
If all the throuple stuff is really Toby foreshadowing that this game will end in Krusielle, then a bunch of Deltarune fans are gonna start trying to make throuples work just like home Homestucks tried doing Kismesis stuff
>>4110480Shipping is key to the game, yes, but it also shipbaits other pairings that won't ever happen, so that invites shipping discourse which becomes more important than actually wanting to figure out what the fuck the narrative is, as the shipbaiting has more material to debate over than the actual narrative.
>>4110481I hate that poorly written piece of shit called Suselle, which is now part of the main story. Toby can write good stuff, but he chooses to throw it away and focus on shit.
>>4110477>And I'll keep repeating them because they're facts.why dont you elaborate on your thought process instead of repeating "it's obvious!" over and over again then
reminder that suselle is so poorly written that the lesbian romance in corpse party looks like high art compared to it
>>4110489posting before the bot copypasta gets here
>>4110483>throuplesCuckshit
>>4110491Yes anon, we know, Toby "KING OF ERO GAMES" Fox is putting cuckoldry into his game. We saw Rouxls Kaard too.
>>4110271>Noelle has PK Freeze>Ralsei has PK Fire>Dess will have PK Thunder and be related to the Sky Mantle somehow (since that protects against electric)
>>4110157Her arm looks like a McDonalds Apple Pie
>>4110466no one is more schizophrenic than people obsessed with schizosno one is more codependent with schizos than their haters
>>4110480You're confusing "relationships" with "shipping." Common mistake among your ilk.
>>4110494>Kris finally accepts that he has magic instead of autistically waxing poetic about how ACTing SURELY can't be magic>gets PK LoveGod fucking damn it.
>>4110499>PK LoveHoly shit Toby totally would
>>4110497>obsessedIt was the first time I replied to him in this thread. I usually ignore him, but I thought maybe if I explained it to him he would understand. Some autistic people need to be told directly.
>>4110505In this thread.Which implies you've continued to humor him in prior threads.
>>4110494>>4110499>>4110504who has pk rockin?
>>4110510Susie, naturally.
>>4110505>first time I replied to him >in this thread.freudian faceplant lmao
Kriselle is heterosexualcoded. Spamton proves it.
>>4110516where does that imply peanits in vagine
>>4110509Nah, it's just that I agree with him on certain things so I reply sometimes. I don't want to annoy him or anyone.
>>4110516>spamton calls a teen girl a slut in everyone's facesI wish the game had this much balls more often
>>4110505>Some autistic people need to be told directly.I suggest you take a look in the mirror.
Also, the Thorn Ring is literally a wedding ring that Spamton sells.
>>4110483>Deltarune fans are gonna start trying to make throuples worki really hope not, every poly-whatever relationship ive seen was a horror show beyond human comprehension.
>>4110505>but I thought maybe if I explained it to him he would understandFirst day on the internet? People don't want to learn or understand here, they want to be heard and not questioned.
Why do trans people love yuri so much?
>>4110524Huh...I guess that's why fiction isn't always a perfect representation of reality! Funny how that works.>>4110527Why do alleged straight guys spend all day thinking about troons?
>>4110527they self insert as one of the girlsbut unfortunately, twnbaw
>>4110490See >>4110531
>>4110527the incel to troon pipeline is a realitylesbian dating apps are absolutely plagued by men in dresses trying to catfish actual lesbians
>>4110464Even shipping has theorycrafting because we don't know why Kris and Noelle stopped hanging out other than Dess lmao, but it's funny how is still less vague
>>4110516PEDOton...Luckily you're not alone anymore because of Pink crime on-screen
>>4110534Based as fuck, honestly.
>>4110534>men in dressesAverage yurifag ITT
Hochi mama is like the safest edgy way to say whore, it's the kind of thing you could get away with in a 90s kids cartoon.
>>4110541Where did yurifags touch you bro
>>4110546Here >>4110170 and here >>4110181
>>4110534Lmao that's kinda based tbsqh
>>4110548Just a reminder that you only think all yuri fans are trannies because you automatically and uncontrollably self insert into any media you view and when you find yourself becoming one of the women in the romance it makes you assume this happens to everyone who views this so anyone who doesn't take issue with yuri must be a tranny
>>4110534Incels unironically get better sex lives if they troon outWhether it's a shame or a logical course of action by them is up to interpretation
Forget /vg/, move deltatroons to /r9k/.
>>4110550>self insertI don't self-insert as Kris. I just sympathize with him and want him to be happy. And lesbian relationships are never happy. They go crazy and start beating each other up.
Deltarune will end with the revelation that Gaster was raped and his Deltarune is actually about seeing Susie and Noelle kiss, which will give him the 'inspiration' needed to break out of his self-imposed stockholm syndrome and stop the roaring.
Am I on X?
>>4110556>And lesbian relationships are never happy.And monsters aren't real.
>>4110559No because /x/ would actually theorize about the worldbuilding. You're on /r9k/ trying to be a /soc/ discord.
>>4110561/x/ wouldn't even care about the actual game either, they'd get lost in the schizo sauce about everything that isn't directly within Deltarune.
Prove that you don't deserve to be mocked by the game.
>>4110573toby fox raped me
>>4110573You can't. No matter who you are, no matter what you do, Toby will find a way to mock you, and he'll accomplish it by the fever dream ending being disappointing as fuck.Those who've been waiting since Undertale will be devastated, those who were doomers will be in disbelief that it was even worse than their projections, even those who somehow ignored Deltarune all the way until 7+7B's release will be confused on why this game was so hyped for the past decade.
They don't have a choice, they need to accept Susie or she'll become the dragon and go Hometown massacre on their asses
>>4110576Unfortunately, because Kris is a cunt bastard who refused to let the world embrace me and actively resents me even though all signs point towards him willingly taking me from my vessel, I will be the one performing the steps to commit the massacre instead.
>>4110575>Those who've been waiting since Undertale will be devastated
>>4110573i paid $25 for it
>>4110579You paid $25 to be hated, punished for doing the only things the game will allow you to do, and constantly being painted as the villain while seeing "parallels" who actually get a fair and equitable dynamic with each other, and your host refuses to acknowledge anything from such "parallels".
>>4110577>me me meI'm noticing a common denominator that seems to be the real issue here.
>>4109452>"It is the [APPROVED SPEECH] of[DARK AND %$&$%][BAD PART OF TOWN], which I shall[ERROR VOICEBOX NOT FOUND]"
>>4110580that's pretty gayif that's the case, it should be free like toby's early work
>>4110581>it's OK when it's all about Susie, though!
>>4110579>boughteding early tranccessKEK-LMAOGET HUMILIATED GET HUMILIATED GET HUMILIATED GET HUMILIATED GET HUMILIATED GET HUMILIATED GET HUMILIATED
>>4110381this was a fun era
>>4110584It was. In fact the free part of the game even told you your choices wouldn't matter, bullied you, and showed your love interest being more love interested in your bully. In the first chapter. In the free part of the game. And then somehow you expected the rest to be any different which is the dumbest move you could make but I guess you're just really really dumb.
>>4110588>YOUR love interestThere you go self-inserting again, sweetie pie. Noelle still doesn't know (You) exist, ARG speaker calls (You)elle gross, and she only recognizes Kris and Kris's strange behaviors (which have been ongoing since before you started the game).
>>4110580>and constantly being painted as the villainworst part of that is that you cant even play onto that and act like an actual villain because the game forces you to either be a heroic chungus or a neutral-being-leaning-to-good hero due to it not allowing you to be super chuddy evil for more than 5 minutes in other chapters aside from chapter 2's weird route
>>4110585After seeing your posts I think I speak for everyone when I say Susie deserves Noelle more than you do especially if you chose to ignore Noelle and play the Suselle route instead of playing Weird where you actually get to spend time with Noelle.
>>4110592>aside from chapter 2's weird routeEven then, no one who still lives in a conscious state except for Noelle and Ralsei actually know what you did, but Noelle's your bitch and Ralsei's too much of a passive subservient cuck boy to do anything about it except dread the future.
Apologize to /v/ mods right fucking now
>>4110595two rights dont make a wrong or whatever the saying was
>>4110597They do if you subvert them and hide the evidence from the person you're double righting
FemKris makes this guy so mad I bet he'll kill himself when it's confirmed. On that front, I predict that if Kris's gender is ever officially revealed will happen in chapter 6. If not, it will remain ambiguous to the very end when Kris sacrifices herself to save everyone else.
>>4110595i aint apologizing to shit fuck those niggers and fuck you too bitch
>>4110594desu yeah, if the game wanted to paint me as a villain, it might as well have allowed me to join lancer's dark shit squad and queen's kingdom, at least becoming a team rocket tier recurring antagonist playfully butting heads against ralsei and/or susie often would've been fun
Personally I would be happy if a genius neet fujo was attracted to me so I think Frisk x Alphys is gold
But will Kris Omori Moon: RPG Live A Live Mother 3 you?
>>4110595its because of /v/ mods that we're in this situation in the first place.had we just been allowed to stay on /v/, people would've stopped making threads naturally.but now that its a general they're just gunna get made forever even when we've exhausted every discussion point.our only hope is that CH6's release drags these threads off of /vrpg/ and we're allowed on /v/ long enough for them to die naturally.
>>4110593>spend time with Noelle>ch3 nothing>ch4 no dark world >ch5 ends in 10 minutes
If Susie wasn't supposed to be the second hero, she objectively ruined the entire story and forced herself into it
>>4110650Wait so the prophecy already was subverted?No need for weird routes??
>>4110650the game is a metaphor for how trying to deviate fate is not always a good desirable thing and that youll have to keep things on the right track if you want a better future
>>4110653YeahUtter shite >>4110658Game gave up on this after flowery fight
>>4110650Kris and Ralsei are the ones who forced her into it. She was set up.
>>4110664So far the best ending seems to be the twisted route. i.e., try to avert fate, but not too hard.
>>4110664susie is still doing her averting fate thing, through?
>>4110670>susie is still doing her averting fate thing, through?No she doesn't. She fully embraced her prophesied role and thinks she can follow it 99% but have a different ending because ???
>>4110639No, we'll be on-sight nuked regardless because some retards had the great idea of poking the lion by shitting up a sticky thread, thereby putting UTDR on the indefinite shitlist.
>>4110675i mean to be fair, that sticky was not earned.
>>4110672>her prophesied role is to ruin the experience for the other heroesHave I mentioned how much I hate this country
>>4110684*character
>>4110672Not what she's doingShe thinks the final prophecy is bullshit and won't happen, because it does sound absurd and insane so she's only keeping it in mind all she has to do is try her best
>>4110688>She thinks the final prophecy is bullshit and won't happen, because it does sound absurdAre you sure
>>4110684if you think about it, the prophecy is actually geared towards kris and noelle's benefits>LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRLif we consider that the girl is actually noelle and in love with kris, susie barging in and taking the girl is like the equivalent of seeing a game where the protagonist is canonically a father in sequel and the prequel has him be able to choose any romanceable character to date but the player refuses to date anybody from the party so the game ends up pairing the character up with a npc that's not part of the party as a failsafe, all from the perspective of a romanceable side character, so here, deltarune is literally making a character that many had theorized to be "the game's true protagonist" take a npc (that was turned into a npc because of susie's intervention) over kris or ralsei.>THE GIRL, WITH HOPE CROSSED ON HER HEARTif susie is the new girl, what happens to the original girl? does she no longer get hope? then susie is essentially making noelle's life worse by forcing herself to be the second hero.susie acts all joyful stealing these gifts for herself as if they belonged to her in the first place and getting all the crumbs while kris agonizes on the side with a broken dream (marrying noelle) and noelle is left as a hopeless broken husk longing for the love that was owed to her, susie is being selfish and shitty by destroying her friends just to reap what was sowed for them and burn the rest of the crops, there's something more important than reaching the end, and that's cutting off the leech so that the result wont end up even worse than the final prophecy, it's all a balance between law (prophecy) and chaos, and susie is on the way of true balance
who'd win
>>4110711Chara, her power is real and absolute, Flowery is just playing pretend.
Since older chapters always get forgotten, I'd like to take a moment to talk about how 90% of the survey program was designed to be like CRACK to 2018 Undertale fans.>obviously Gaster is the first one to talk to you>Frisk/Chara looking human teen being woken up by Toriel>Asriel being immediately mentioned to be alive and well>cheerful music with several UT monsters in happy the surface>returning UT leitmotifs>Toriel doing the handholding and hug thing to the player character again>more returning monsters in the school>prophecy suspiciously similar to the UT story told in the exact same manner>revamped fancy combat screen>most of card kingdom follows the footsteps of what UT was like>brand new hard secret boss waiting for you>more Gaster lore>you party member buddy, now unhatted, is EXACTLY what people imagined Asriel would have been if he didn't die, both in looks and personality>exploring the town and meeting Sans in particular>soulless pacifist ending referenceThe single main thing that goes against all this is Asgore still being disgraced, otherwise this whole thing was a "make UT fans happy" romp.Like, I got myself feeling giddy when remembering all this stuff for this post, that's how much of a drug Chapter 1 was.I could go on about how Chapter 2 mostly kept doing that, but you get the point.Then, starting from 3, Deltarune began to do the exact opposite of all this.
how would floradinns feel if they got werewire'd?
>>4110715>Then, starting from 3, Deltarune began to do the exact opposite of all this.that was intentional, bait undertale fans into getting "omg cool undertale fan service!!" so that they buy the game then hand them over the rest of the slop afterwards, it was an insanely good yet scammy marketing stunt from toby fox
https://poal.me/n26m8kHere we go boys...
>>4110719Look, I'm angry myself, but I really wanna understand the "philosophical" side of this.Like, what was the point? Deltarune went from extremely pandering to antagonistic towards the UT fanbase in just a single chapter.I do know there were a few instances of it happening before 3 like the pie fakeout or some chapter 2 teasers being misleading, but the game just started doing that so often now.All those Tenna questions being inconsistent to what people who paid attention to the text would notice (Asriel's favorite character, Kris's favorite food), all the remarks about Ralsei "liking his face" and hating his hat, all the remarks about Ralsei not actually being that much like Asriel, the several dunks Catti got. Or shit like Pink, who is UT pandering but also overtly antagonistic to 1+2 fans with the text teasing about the fact she isn't a new character at all.So what was the point? He felt like dunking on UT fans because they didn't move on from the game like its message seems to be?
>>4110723i guess toby got pissy at the undertale comparisons or something?
>>4110724But then it would not make sense for him to front load the original secret bosses and make the last two be returning UT characters!It's this sort of shit I don't get.
>>4110715Yes. This was part of the intent. Deltarune is designed to leverage an existing attachment to Undertale to put you in a frame of mind where you'll make assumptions and overlook key aspects of the story until you're reminded of them more explicitly later. This subterfuge already worked with how people were expecting Kris to genocide the town in chapter 1. Without the context of Undertale, the worst you'd reasonably assume there is that he has someone he intends to kill. Killing the entire town is a leap if you aren't assuming that Chara Undertale is at play. The double fakeout of Kris really being an antagonist, but only doing basic shit last night (slashing tires, eating a whole pie), landed in part specifically because of that.I don't think Toby ever intended to keep to the format so strictly for more than one or two chapters.
>>4110715i feel somewhat detached from this as i thought undertale was pretty overrated at the time, but deltarune was super interesting to me as a seemingly edgier sequelthe only thing ut thing that got me was sans just standing there at the end because he was the meme skeleton guy
>>4110723i'm still proud of myself for clocking that kris' favourite food was the pie instead of chocolate, i feel like that could be inferred from ch2 alone asriel's favourite fighter was bullshit though, there was no way for anyone to have known that the first time
>>4110725mad mew mew is a semi-undertale character since she only appeared in the switch port, and mad mew mew got more screentime in deltarune than undertale
>>4110727UT is way more edgy than DR despite also being more innocent. It's just a better game overall.
>>4110728>asriel's favourite fighter was bullshit though, there was no way for anyone to have known that the first timeactually, that question is the only time where ralsei will hover on the right answer instead of following you meaning that if you pay attention to ralsei, you'll know the right answer
>>4110730DR already beats UT.
>>4110730maybe, but at the time i was more invested in games like lisa the painful than undertale and i felt like it got somewhat snubbed even if ut came out 9 months later
Remember when Toby Fox said>Uhhh the king was acting oddly because he was close to the fountainDuring the 6th anniversary stream?Why did he even say that?
>>4110735He was probably meant to be in some kind of altered state regardless, like a crisis or something essentially, and Toby didn't feel like it ended up clear enough that King's behavior wasn't completely normal even for him.
>>4110735>>4110736queen was also mentioned to have become more intense after the fountain was opened early on in ch2i think this might be a dropped plot point from the 2016 script that was abandoned in the 2022/ 23 revision
>>4110719And then he keeps doing Undertale memberberries anyway, except now it's like if Alphyne was a staggering majority of the game instead of a single sequence.
>>4110735this sounds more like a retcon to King being an asshole, no darkners have mentioned Chaos King acting different or odd unlike the darkners who mention Queen acting odd because of the fountain (even then you could argue that's some kind of leftover from the beta version of Queen which was supposed to be evil, even through queen doesnt act much like it in the final game), and all in-game ch1 signs point towards him being already shitty like this before the fountain was formed (the prison darkners aside from the cowardly rudinn seem to have been arrested in the past, and the three kings being locked up and firing everybody else in favour of Rouxls Kaard stuff are explicitly stuff that have been stated to happen in the past), plus, Tenna acts like an asshole too, but no one states that it couldve been because of the fountain, and most characters who speak about Tenna do so with a negative opinion of them (such as green pippin mike in chapter 5), implying that it was either some kind of failed attempt at establishing dark world lore, or toby realized that making all the characters' bad actions or behaviors be explained through dark fountain stuff removes any kind of nuance that these characters could have if they were actually flawed like how current tenna is like, i think it's fair to say that the dark fountain making you fucked up thing should be taken with a grain of salt, it's pretty clear that on chapter 3 onwards, the whole dark fountain affecting the characters negatively is not brought up as an actual explanation and just get natural reasons for the "why" instead
>>4110746easiest crowd to pander to and it's way more benefitial business wise to pander to them than not
>>4110755I wouldn't be surprised if this is why Chapter 4 didn't have a ruler and Chapter 5 had a non-Darkner in charge, Toby just plain didn't want to get into the logistics of the inconsistency, was too far into commitment with Tenna to get him out of there, and for 4 onward would rather hope people just forget about it than actually explain the discrepancy or support the idea of King actually being genuinely evil.
>>4110757i still think it was a cheap retcon that king never actually met the knight iirc it was very strongly implied that he did in ch1, and was acting on its direct orders
Why did King have the shadow mantle?
>>4110765Theory: His base stats actually suck so he needs the shadow mantle.
>>4110765he didn't he had the sky mantle
Shrouded in Darkness...
>>4110770A darker yet darker game...
>>4110523Does Spamton say that when you abandon the weird route after buying ThornRing?
>>4110765he didn't, he had eram
>>4110774Eram is not the Shadow Mantle, they're the ones who stole it.
>>4110775eram isnt the shadow mantle, eram is eram, and King had Eram on him
>>4110721I hate Suselle but I think the wholesale chungus 100 relationship is here to stay because Toby has too many Tumblr friends.
If you hate Toby so much why don't you just marry him already
>>4110765King is Eram
>>4110781He made the critical error of getting that one specific bitch onboard too, if Suselle isn't pure uncomplicated slop and DOESN'T in fact prove responsible for saving the world, she's gonna rape him sideways.
>>4110784Ok.
Something i think is important to say here is that the point of chapter 5 is to challenge the heroic fantasy set up by chapter 4. You can see this with Flowery's whole character arc, among other things.
>>4110791Truth.
>>4110791Of course, this is to challenge Susie's HOPE, and your HOPE as well. Just look at the state of these threads.
>>4110794But Chapter 4 already challenged Susie's hope. It pit her against a seemingly unstoppable force just as she was starting to pull back from her self-esteem issues, she stuck true to her hope even when everything seemed hopeless which miraculously summoned Gerson to be a miraculous savior, and in turn boosted her confidence to get the idea to dunk Kris into the Titan, which ended up being the hope which successfully conquered destructive darkness incarnate.
>>4110797Having Gerson show up as a deus ex machina to save the party and then having them beat a great and unstoppable evil with the power of friendship isn't really "challenging the heroic fantasy set up by Chapter 4", is it?
>>4110801Susie's HEROISM is being challenged in Chapter 5, not her hope. She's already got that hope shit back in order after basically offscreening her anxieties over the final tragedy between 4 and 5, as once again it's Susie's Idea, that representation of her hope, that ends up being the lynchpin that gives the team their chance to win.What Flowery's challenging her on is the cause she's fighting for, whether or not she truly understands the bigger picture, and if she can make the right choices when things get truly dire later.
>>4110805Ehh... she's also much less hopeful during the end of chapter 5 than she is at the end of chapter 4. (Compare the fountain sealing dialogues with eachother.) She's quite bummed out by the events of chapter 5, what with Kris' dad getting kidnapped, Flowery getting killed by the knight, her starting to suspect Kris is working with the knight. etc. etc.
>>4110723It's not dunking, by the time chapter 1 was released, he had most of the story already written. The plot of a happy UT world slowly degrading into misery porn and a tragedy caused by jealousy (without even considering the obvious camusian themes of side B) is exactly what he had in mind at that time. The jabs at theoryfags and shippers are only minor details, they didn't change the structure of the story.
>>4110810Also, to challenge her heroism is infact the same thing as challenging her HOPE. Flowery has the same HOPE as Susie, but he is unable to stop the hand of fate with that alone. He loses to the heroes, and then gets killed by the knight in spite of his hopecore power of friendship schtick.
>>4110811>Ch 1 establishes that sparing everyone won't be possible/good>Ch1 joke characters are allowed to be more than just joke characters sometimes>Whatever is going on with >>4110757 and >>4110763I'm fairly certain there have been huge changes to the story.
>>4110757That obviously can't be the case, since Toby Fox had Flowery being Flower Kingdom's ruler as far back as 2016.
>>4110812TO BE FAIR Flowery fought alone against the Knight. Your hope alone doesn't help unless you're fighting with your friends/loved ones behind you.
>>4110815If Omega Flowery lost to Kris alone, then i don't think the power of friendship was gonna save him.
>>4110816Omega Flowery lost because he hesitated though.
>>4110819Straight Kralsei...
>>4110815Is Susie going to have any friends left who will actually help her? Kris is still a traitor, Ralsei still wants to believe Kris is doing this for a good reason and will stay by their side, Noelle might help but might also go crazy if she realizes that even her relationship with Susie is preordained like everything else. There's the Darkners, but we don't know if they could stand a chance against the Knight, even if they did they'd turn to stone in any other dark world or when the Roaring comes.
>>4110821I'm thinking Chapter 6 is where all the relationships fall apart and Chapter 7 is when they all become friends again.
>>4110818If you intentionally lose the clash, Flowery gets suprised that Kris didn't win.
>>4110823Friends before the end, how sweet...... maybe not.But at least you came up with something interesting.
would you?
>>4110829Yeah.
>>4110711Chara one shots him like she one shot Flowey.
>>4109536It's weird how pleasing it is to see Ralsei without the "fluffy boy" act.
>>4110505Don't worry, he just has a cocksucker fan because he posts things that guy agrees with. You did nothing wrong.
>>4110573I was never mocked and the game pandered directly to me several times
>>4110595No, kill yourself janny cocksucker.
>>4110622Alphys doesn't like Frisk though, pretty explicitly. Also Frisk isn't (you)
You're not going to leave your Vessel behind, right anon?
>>4110841>Dude the shut-in weeaboo watching a child through their cameras obviously doesn't actually like them that way hahaHmm...
>>4110845Yeah, Alphys is pretty explicitly about who she actually likes. Plus it's her job to watch humans.
>>4110816>...???>AAAAAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE WALL-SAMA SUNIMASEEEEE>KRIS GASTER QUICK GIVE ME CUTSCENE POWERS
You know for such a big and odd moment, what with the house being full of hearts, there are hardly any people contemplating what it means.Was Carol planning on Kris doing Weird Route this entire time, and was just trying to get Noelle to accept our SOUL?Does everyone know we have a Soul?Soul surgery theory?
>>4110849Souls are a common knowledge in this world, there's an entire series of books about them. It just means Carol really likes human souls for some reason.
>>4110849Holiday family has a fetish for human souls, Dess had it before banishing and you're giving it to Noelle in wr
>>4110849We know that Carol is interested in heart shaped objects, but why are there hearts in Dess' closet? Did Carol put them in there? Does Dess also have an interest in heart shaped objects?? Surely either answer would have SOME implications there.
>>4110849Carol at least knows about the Soul and she probably planned the hjacking in the game's intro.I doubt she planned the Weird Route because it goes against the Roaring gang's plan (Kris literally doesn't make the Flower King fountain)
>>4110842I'd skin Kris alive just to get my Vessel back
Toby Fox just came up to me and said “I am the reason you cannot have this”He had tears in his eyes, he said “I wish it wasn’t so. I wish you could have this. But my hand is forced”I cried out “Who! Who is making you do this!”He said “you wouldn’t believe me… it’s Hussie.”
>>4110863You're kidding yourself, Hussie would force Toby to implement pregnant Kris and make Noelle the father
>>4110869>make Noelle the fatherHe would also give Noelle a dog dick, can't forget that
>>4110821The entire point of Ralsei's character arc is opposing Kris at some point, he'll decide on his own what is the best course of action. With that said Susie would still be mad at Ralsei for omitting he knew Kris was opening the fountains all along so she has no reason to trust him anymore, especially after breaking his promise in Chapter 4
>>4110892>opposingKris is using piano brainwashing powers to prevent Ralsei from revealing
>>4110898Replace piano by "Undertale was an amazing game" and you got Toby (Kris) and his fans (Ralsei) here
>>4110901Toby indeed weird route'd raped us..
>>4110898That's the conflict, Ralsei has been teased and pushed all this time and grows to like the idea of maybe being the player 1 and deciding for himself, through chapter 3's games, through Flowery's dialogue, through interactions like with Seth If he never defies Kris his entire character will be a complete waste of time
>>4110903What? This isn't even a weird route exclusive scene
>>4110903Kris is the raped so Toby would be the raped there.
>>4110907Would Toby even be a good fuck? Discuss.
>>4110765it was seam who originally had it, then lost it at some point; either purposefully or not.
>DELTARUNE's storytelling works because Chapters don't become obsolete>Instead of doing plot twists through new information, subversion is done by reframing previous info >Previous chapters become even more relevant >Chapter 5 is the only Chapter so far that doesn't do that >Every piece of information in Chapter 5 doesnt change how we perceive all previous Chapters >Thus everyone's first impression was that "Nothing happened">But even Chapter 3 is full of filler, yet it doesn't feel like it since its info sheds new light on what was previously known Unless Chapter 6 completely changes how we understand Chapter 5, I don't get why he did this, it seems to be a deliberate storytelling decision.
>>4110919Ask Hussie.
>>4110925Chapter 5 feels like the most obsolete-able chapter in the gameIt was built upon themes of nostalgia for Chapter 1 that only make sense if you played it 8 years prior, and small commentaries on the state of the fandom. It's going to be better once the game is complete without the weight of the vagueposting but there are other parts that don't seem like were made with the chapter's aging in mind
>>4110735>Why did he even say that?Foreshadowing for the same thing happening to Susie (Literally sleeps in a castle hosting a grand fountain)
>>4110904And thats only one obstacle in his arc, the other is "Who REALLY wants Ralsei to be Player 1?" Ralsei has fans sure, but he also has a shit ton of people who hate him either because his character doesnt appeal to them or because he's been against us for so long in the story. Why do I want to replace one liar with another?
>>4110942Why would he write Ralsei for people who hate Ralsei
>>4110936Toby talks a lot about how he's had the story planned since even before Undertale but then why did Chapter 5 turn out into that?And if that was the goal, why? Why do this self-referential ironic rigamaroo.
>>4110949When he made the character into a liar, who even continues to lie and hide info after being called out for it and promising to be better, he shouldve known a god amount of people would hate him and object to the idea of him becoming the Player 1
>>4110936>It was built upon themes of nostalgia for Chapter 1No??? Do you even know what "themes" mean??? Most recalls to chapter 1 are for purely aesthetic reasons. The actual themes of chapter 5 have little to do with it.>>4110942>GRRRRRRRRRR I HATE RALSEI WHY DOESN'T HE LET ME COMPLETE THE MISSION
>>4110955>and object to the idea of him becoming the Player 1and what are you gonna do about that mr. objecting boy
>>4110959Use my ultimate technique against Gaster himself
been on the "ralsei is evil" train since chapter 2 and im not getting off
>>4110959weird route, duh
>>4110957>GRRRRRRRRRR I HATE RALSEI WHY DOESN'T HE LET ME COMPLETE THE MISSIONI think people have the right to be pissed after 8 years.
>>4110951Because he isn't a class writer. A writer with talent can subtly give you solid evidence through the story without spoiling the ending of the story. Read any whodunnit. Toby doesn't understand what a red herring is so the only way for him to obscure the ending is by giving you no concrete information whatsoever. Therefore the chapter is 95% filler and hype moments and you are only told what you can already guess. And since 6 and 7 aren't coming out together, don't expect ch6 to give you any more information than ch5 did.
>>4110898Why are you so butthurt about this dialogue? You talk about it in every thread. Ralsei is basically saying that someone who plays the piano with such sentimentality can't be completely irredeemable, that there's good inside, even if there's malice. Yes, it's stupid and essentially the same as saying "someone who loves animals can't be a complete monster, you know, like that Hitler dude", but it serves to point out something we already know. That Kris is a good person, and whatever they are doing it is for a good reason.
>>4110964I haven't been waiting to do the mission for eight years. I've been playing Deltarune for eight years.>but you were supposed to want to enact random material circumstances in the game worldShut the fuck up.
>>4110970Wasnt this whole thing rebuked in ch1 though? When Ralsei thought there was good in someone, healed them, and then immediately attacked him and his friends
>>4110970People claiming Kris is completely evil is so fucking funny because Toby is just physically incapable of writing an actual evil character that isn't some flavor of misunderstood, the only thing that comes near are the titans and that's about as "evil" as a tsunami or earthquake.
>>4110971The game should at least let you pretend that you're beating it through your actions.
>>4110982One of the biggest points Deltarune has to make is about the shit other games fake so often that people forget it's being faked. Like the player "doing things" in a fixed story written before they showed up.
>>4110971Its not a good point. Can't take the role-playing put of a role- playing game.
>>4110984>role playing is being motivated by the promise of what material circumstances you can enact on the game worldAbsolutely not.
>>4110983Not the anon you're talking about, but I really don't find this to be that interesting. Yes, videogames are fake, you're going through a set of of motions that were already setup for you, you aren't actually doing anything, none of what you do in the game has any value, it's all an illusion, yes, but how is this interesting? Maybe there's an interesting way to explore this concept but I don't think the way Deltarune is doing it is a good one in my opinion.
>>4110972No. Chapter 1 was the anti-pacifist message displaying sometimes bad guys are bad guys, you must stop them, you can't trust them. That doesn't mean Kris is a bad person that must be stopped, it means Kris may be doing bad things for a good reason and yet they still might have to fight.
>>4110987It's the act of pretending you can enact circumstances on the game world by playing the game.Why should i respect a game that goes after the exact things I consider to be normal and makes a game that feels wrong to play as a result?
>>4110988First of all, look at how the majority of people are processing the story. This is the first time many players have ever been confronted with the fact that their involvement in the story of any given game is fakery.Secondly, the point here seems to go beyond "it's fake you know". It's hard to say where it's going ultimately because it's not a finished game yet, but if the goal were just to teach players how much of their involvement is fake, that's already mostly done.
>>4110991>first >but not the last if Toby Fox gets his way
>>4110990Roleplaying is the act of characters and story information being represented through gameplay and systems. Some games focus on letting the player make up a character and try to represent their various values through the game's mechanics. Others, like Deltarune, focus on a fixed story and cast that is represented and elaborated on via RPG mechanics.
>>4110991I don't know, I guess it's a matter of tastes. Sometimes when I think about the game it feels like I'm actually playing with the testicle-crushing machine, which is probably a great experience for testicle-crushing enthusiasts, but I'm not one of them, and it wasn't until chapter 5 that I noticed that I am, in fact, playing with a testicle-crushing machine.
>>4110996Yes? Less delusional people is good.
>>4110970>That Kris is a good person, and whatever they are doing it is for a good reason.Chapter 7 is going to be a very fun release since we will finally have a payoff to these types of statements.
>>4110990Then stop playing. You seem very confident you dislike the core idea of Deltarune's story so why are you still here?
>>4110998I guess if that's how you feel, sure. I really don't think it's as offensive/niche as you're making it out to be. People who take Deltarune as an attack on the things they like are so weird.
>>4111002On the off chance that chapter 6 or chapter 7 might fix the problems I have with the game
>>4111005Toby isn't going to magically realize that the prophecy he had Ralsei lie to you about in chapter 1 was actually somehow a better premise than the fever dream ending he wrote that scene to move you towards in the first place.
>>4111006He gave up in the fever dream ending when he went full pacicuck, don't deny itIf he cared about the fever dream ending, the game would have some dignity
>>4111007>the game would RESPECT me if Toby was writing the fever dreamWhat the FUCK does that have to do with it you retard
>>4111008Because the most recent chapters have been an in-game waste of timeIf he gave a shit about the fever dream ending, it implies he's actually trying to make the game finish.
>>4111009>if the characters aren't taking the most efficient path to the ending, as decided by me, then the author has decided he doesn't want to write an ending at allExplain why.
>>4111000I don't want subversives targeting what I play for fun to tell me what i like about them is wrong. I have nothing to play if people do that.
>>4111011Do you not realize that most people don't have the patience for this bullshit, not after 8 years? I have played longer games that this that moved faster.
>>4111013If what you like about the games you like requires you to be delusional, then I want it to keep happening. Nobody should be delusional. The truth is the most important thing of all.
>>4110970Oh i'm not butthurt, and no i don't think Kris is evil except the weird route because i trust ERAM, i'm not that simplemindedI just find so funny how Ralsei and even Susie found out about Kris but they just don't want to confront him>oh boy i hope Kris regrets about what they're doing before it's too late!
>>4111014That doesn't answer my question. I did not play Deltarune in hopes of seeing inside the shelter, stopping the Roaring, saving the worlds. I think anyone who picks up any game with this kind of attachment to goals that exist only in its story is hurting themself.
>>4111019And you know what screw it, Flowery too
I came to Deltarune with a mission...
>>4111016I know that it's fiction, you don't need to tell me that. You cannot tell the average rpg fan that the things they like about rpgs need to be picked apart at their expense.I just wanna go on an adventure, where you do the thing the game tells you to do to save the world. That's what I play them for. It is my source of fun. I don't want my fun taken away.
>>4111023>I know it's fiction>I wanna go on an adventure!These are conflicting thoughts. If you know it's fiction you know you aren't going on an adventure. This is what I'm objecting to. If your fun is hurt because a game exists where you can't completely shut down the "this is fiction" part of your brain, you have brain damage.
>>4111025Aren't games suposed to be immersive?My fun is hurt when you change my games to break my immersion.
>>4111026No, games are allowed to choose if they want to aim to be immersive, and that isn't achieved in any case by the player literally completely forgetting they're playing a game.
>>4111025I agree that being mad about a game that they don't enjoy simply existing is dumb, but I think it makes sense that, if someone is looking for an escapist fantasy, and a game isn't offering an escapist fantasy, then that someone is probably not gonna like that game.
>>4111027Not if they expect me to pay as if nothing happened. Why would I ever pay for a game that punishes me for going in the one direction it allowed me to go with a dungeon that literally popped up right in front of me, if I can play an old game that doesn't do that? Don't demand that I respect that, and don't demand I call it normal. Cause you're not getting my money.
>>4111028I think someone whose escapist fantasy is dead the moment they think of it as fiction is making their own problems.>>4111030>but I paid, it's supposed to be immersive because I paid!No. It wasn't immersive in chapter 1.>the game punishes me for moving forward!The story's events advancing along their fixed path is not a punishment for your choices.
What even is the fabled "mission"?
>>4111032Seal the fountains, defeat the knight, stop the roaring, get into the shelter. You know, anything that was presented as an objective that wasn't super super clearly coming from one specific character.
>>4111031>The story's events advancing along their fixed path is not a punishment for your choices.The dark worlds that back to back, exist only exist to waste time and stall, with the most recent one being made right in front of you without being able to do anything about it, seems like a punishment to me.
The raped™ anon.
>>4111031>I think someone whose escapist fantasy is dead the moment they think of it as fiction is making their own problems.Maybe, but I still don't think it's that unexpected for someone looking immersive escapism to not like a game that constantly goes out of its way to show just how fake and on rails everything about the game is. I just don't think it's that insane.
>>4111034You need something to move the let's play forward. The guy in charge of the show shouldn't be saying "today were gonna watch and see what happens".
I see we're at the point of the thread where we argue with the same schizophrenics about the exact same topics again.
>>4110925>DELTARUNE's storytelling worksI have hundreds of threads that say it doesn't.
The way I see it is, I got the wrong idea about what kind of game Deltarune was gonna be from Chapter 1 and 2, though I'm not going to start screaming about Toby betraying or tricking me or anything like that. What's done is done, I'm too invested in the game to drop it now, I can only continue playing and enjoy the parts that I still find to be fun, which luckily the game still has a good amount of.
Seth is a girl
>>4111035That doesn't seem like punishment at all to me.>>4111038That sounds like a perfectly reasonable thing for a let's player to say about a linear story game.
>>4111045I lets played other linear story games, they weren't like this.And I don't want dark worlds that only exist to waste my time and not accomplish anything I don't find that interesting.
>>4111047>I lets played other linear story games, they weren't like this.Yes, because they were lying and that lie fed your delusion that "you" did stuff in the games. You were actually watching and seeing what happened in every game. Hope that helps clear it up.
>>4111049There is a purpose to the lying. To maintain immersion. I KNOW ITS FICTION YOU IDIOT I LET'S PLAY GAMES I KNOW THAT THEY'RE FICTION ALREADYHow do you sell an adventure where you dont know where you're going 100%. I can't sell that, it feels wrong.How can you target my entertainment and tell me I shouldn't have it anymore, and worse, demand that I pay for that? How dare you?
>>4111032There's just one true missionFight another SansI'm collecting the crystals to fight SeamI'm collecting the eggs to fight FRIENDlings pack ownerI'm doing the weird route just to fight a strong boss at the endWAKU WAKU
>>4111039im running out of engagement bait... uhh...whats up with the thrash machine heads?one kinda looks like ralsei, one DEFINETLY looks like kris and the lazer one looks like no one we've met in game, and kinda vaguely like everyman.
>>4111052I don't think I've ever liked a game that fully laid out everything it would do from the start as much as one that had surprises in store. Always being able to tell exactly what I should do, and that being correct every time in-universe, sounds boring.
If I'm supposed to like Ralsei and do my best to try to help him why does the game let me be an asshole to him?
>>4111055The knife is supposed to look like Susie though.
>>4111057Because this scene didn't matter lol
>>4111053i wonder if being bit by friend isn't actual biting but rather some rogue unfilled data table that is absorbing bit's out of the video game characters to reform itself into existence. basically just sucking the 1's and 0's out of them. kinda like missingno in pokemon, the computer program scrambling to find data to fill itself and serve its purpose.
>>4111056It's called releasing a finished game. I find I don't like surprises the older I get.
>>4111053Why is Pink dressed like a sailor
>>4111059It doesn't right now, but it might in Chapter 7! Just keep waiting, trust the dog!
>>4111063Since she is a walking japanese schoolgirl reference, so people interpret her silhouette in the shop as wearing one
>>4111001>we will finally have a payoffHonestly I'm not so sure
>>4110965>A writer with talent can subtly give you solid evidence through the story without spoiling the ending of the story.So exactly like how Deltarune is being written?
>>4111067I thought she was wearing a cloak
You know what this games needs? A boat!
>>4111060There's something weird like that going on there since Friend pulls the damage numbers from how much the first item in your inventory sells
>>4111009All video games are a waste of time, they're toys for children.
>>4111074Why the hell are you here then?
>>4111072If toby fucks wasnt a hack weird route ch5wr wouldntve ended at the lake, it wouldve taken them to an overworld with a cool ship theme playing but instead of a ship sprite its just kris and noelle drowning
>>4111056But Deltarune did fully lay everything out.>your choices don't matter>Susie gets the girl>ending subverts your expectations
>>4111034Wasn't it kill the knight instead?
>>4111075To waste my time? I'm not the one acting like that's a bad thing.
>>4111072>stereotypical jrpg Airship that somehow lets you travel between Dark Worlds, even sealed oneswould be kino desu baka desu
>>4111076Noelle and Kris swimming in overworld
If toby was real game dev sauce he would of putted all my dreams in ch5 and made them come true and he'd have maked anime real life and bringed my dog back to life and stopped my parents from fighting all the time
>>4111072You could even say... a vessel.
>>4111077Thats shit.i hate suselle
CHIPS AHOY
>>4111063High-school Japanese uniform. Mettaton wore one in the stream if you remember it.
>>4111082Knowing Toby he wont make it an airship, WR will just have a segment where you turn off collision and start walking directly to every map in the game without any transitions or wallsBecause that's exactly how it works in EarthBound, of course he wouldnt be original about it
>>4111088In Deltarune chapter 1, the first part of the game, these things happen so you know what to expect from the rest of the game:>your choices don't matter>Susie gets the girl>ending subverts your expectations
>>4111087... or a SHIP.
>>4110978He's even more or less implied Titans are just unlucky in their birth circumstances too, seeing as how Titan Ralsei is the most likely explanation for how he's an "impossibility" of a Darkner, and that if all of them were just gifted enough to be born with compassion and intelligence then they'd be as quirk chungus as the Amalgamates are once they're fed, reunited with their families and aren't trying to kill a kid for their determination.
>>4111095HOAH SHIP
>>4111019ralsei trusts that kris is doing the right thing even if he disagrees with it at presentralsei is also hard coded to protect kris no matter what remember, kris is the only confirmed hero now thanks to the tidbit that the knight and the heroes both appear at the same time susie is just deliberately being dense, she knows kris is being giga sus but doesn't want to ruin her fun adventures by calling her out
>>4111092I didn't watch that
>>4111092Why are Frisk and Toriel making out>>4111093Nah it will just be the castle elevator that can take you to each world or something
>>4111094Stop defending the cuck shit
How come no one questions why heroes and knights have to happen in the first place
>>4111103Stop acting like the game didn't say from the very beginning that>your choices don't matter>Susie gets the girl>ending subverts your expectations
>>4111105Because getting down to that is questioning why the prophecy has to happen in the first place, and to answer that, you have to address Gaster, which can't happen until the very final stretch of Golden Route Chapter 7 or 7B in general.
>>4111105because the prophecy said soand the prophecy is metaphysical cosmic shit so we just have to roll with it the real question is how can susie and ralsei be the heroes when ralsei said that the knight and the heroes were supposed to appear at the same time, and the only three people confirmed to be there on THAT DAY are kris, asgore, and the knight, which means that kris is the only confirmed hero and asgore technically has more going for him now than ralsei and susie do
>>4111111I find it hilarious it's not even confirmed That Day had anything to do with Dess. Vagueposting extreme.
>>4111111>AsgoreHe wasn't there when THAT INCIDENT happened, he came to investigate later.As it currently stands, we know for certain that Kris and Knight were there, but anyone else is pure speculation.
So no one else is bothered by hometownies following a pagan religion rather than being Catholic?
>>4111115Is Kris being there even confirmed? Kris knows about it and was traumatized by it, but that could have happened via second-hand information.
>>4111116I'm more bothered by the religion being a neo faith with no concept of sin. That's ridiculous.
>>4111116it's closer to some socially acceptable heretical sect of christianity than a pagan cult, like evangelicalism or mormonism
>>4111116>t. Monster Kid
>>4111116>suddently Deltarune becomes Midsommar
>>4111111To be fair the Knight only became active during Chapter 1, so it technically fulfilled the part of both sides being active at the same time?It seems like the prophecy can't be broken but rather re-interpreted.
>>4111118Asgore knows that Kris can seal Dark Fountains, something Flowery likely did not tell him about, it's implied the only reason the Dark World of THAT DAY wasn't there anymore is because Kris sealed it after his first contact with Knight, thus leaving behind the Black Shard that Asgore found, a process we learned happened again with Cyber World offscreen when Asgore's modern day investigations led to him finding another Black Shard there.
I always wondered how Kris is gonna survive the game's ending if he lost his original SOUL. No player = No red SOUL, SOUL is "culmination of our being", after all. But then I realized that Frisk sold his SOUL to Chara after Genocide Route, Chara complete took over it after that. Kris is Chara-esque, so him pulling the same stunt and forcing us to sell our SOUL to him seems completely in character for him. Kris then would be able to keep living his evil life with his knife.I'm not sure about the lore implication of that, tho. If SOUL=Player, then technically canonically everyone who completed Deltarune experienced cessation of existence, fate worse than death. But the game obviously can't enforce it, so that's a plot hole.
>>4111123Kris is transitioning the prophecy and it's everything
>>4111124That can't be, since Kris needs the soul to seal fountains. The soul arrived in chapter 1.
>>4111125Ralsei will probably turn out to have a viable soul of some kind and will give it to Kris, sacrificing himself
>>4111070Ah you mean a cloak like a mysterious character? that's a funny imageMost magical girl shows are about teenager girls going to school and fighting evil in secret with retarded and cute outfits, which is why people see the silhouette of Pink shop wearing one, toby steals everything.. and Pink body most likely is also a teenager but because of her massive tits people see her as adult and the kiss wrong lmao
>>4111115Nope, Asgore was clearly in a Dark World before, otherwise he wouldn't describe a "dark river coming up from the ground".>someone could have told him!Literally who? Noelle erased her own memory, Kris is silent, Dess is gone, and Asriel is a dark horse.
>>4111125Kris never lost his original soul. The player possesses his soul, like we possess Frisk's soul in Undertale.
>>4111128(you) arrived in ch1it's very possible that kris' soul could always seal fountains and (you) merely hijacked it in ch1
>>4111108Doesn't make it better.
>>4111128It's implied Kris has had the soul since before we start Chapter 1 though, because there's already a bloodstain on the floor, the cage is already battered, and Noelle notes that Kris has been behaving strangely in general.Remember, it only seems like he "just" got the soul when he woke up from our perspective, but it's entirely possible he received the soul during THAT DAY, but our perspective was cut off and time gapped to him waking up in chapter 1, the same way he was able to enter the shelter dark world at the end of chapter 3 and have an entire offscreen conspiracy session with Knight while we weren't allowed to be privy to it.
>>4111132>There's a smaller PlayerSoul inside KrisSoul!This is retarded
>>4111072>Noelle, you're rich, can't you just buy a boat to go to the other side?
>>4111133No. Kris hates being possessed by the player. He wouldn't do it if he didn't have to. It's only logical he needs the player soul to seal fountains.
>>4111128The soul arrived during gonermaker sequence. Who the fuck knows how many years/months/weeks passed between gonermaker and ch1 start.
>>4111136Kris always had a normal human soul. He practiced removing it in preparation for the player's arrival. That's what the cage is for. >>4111138Do you think Frisk was souless before Undertale started?
>>4111072ahoy
>chapter 7 takes up half the runtime of Mother 3Oh no. This is why Toby said not to worry about pacing until the game is over, didn't he?
Game that hates normal rpg things shouldn't be on /vrpg/
>>4111142>Do you think Frisk was souless before Undertale started?wut?>>4111132>like we possess Frisk's soul in UndertaleThere's no "we" in Undertale, only Frisk and Chara. We play as both (depends on route/scene), but not diegetically.
>>4111145Why shouldn't I worry now, the problems are there now. By chapter 7 everything will be destroyed and everyone will be dead
>>4111145Also mother 3 is a bad game that doesn't give you its main character until halfway through and one of its chapters has a main character that can barely fight and the magypsies should have been fairies instead
FACT: The Side B Soul was the entity behind THAT DAY (also the Side A Soul was there too to Seal the dark fountain)
>>4111069If you aren't able to deduce what is going on, before the big reveal, then you aren't being given solid evidence. In DR you get some characterisation, but you still don't know anyone's motives, and the rest is just vague slop and #feels that sound good to you because Toby wrote it and not some other dev. After ch7 drops and everything is released, replay the game. If you see clues everywhere and go "aha, it makes sense why X is doing this now and I could've seen the reveal if I paid attention to it", then the game has good writing. But if this doesn't happen, a lack of skill and a lack of planning is being covered up with vagueposting.The only thing that would make me say that the game is well written is if all of the isolation stuff comes to play in the future. Because this would mean that you had enough concrete clues in the first two chapters to already draw a conclusion about the game, and if you didn't pay attention, you'd overlook them by focusing on flashy red herrings surrounding the dark worlds. That's a pretty fair approach to storywriting and that takes talent.>roads are closed "due to the festival">wifi is just gone>nobody's ever seen the other side of the lake>you don't witness anyone making contact with anyone from outside HometownPeople don't even mention this anymore in theories because it's so MUNDANE compared to the other metaphysical stuff that came out in recent chapters. If it turns out the hometown isn't a simulation or isolated on purpose due to some spacetime/gaster/RK shenanigans, and Toby just wrote everything mentioned above just for the vibes, he can eat shit.
>>4111152But anon, the fairies being ugly transvestites was so wacky and subversive! Just like the flowers in chapter 5!
>>4110813toby said that he finished writing the game's full story during ch2's development
>>4111155I hated it then. Those characters are repulsive.
>>4111156He lied. The knight showed up before the heroes, because there is no prophecy.
>>4111158It will be revealed the prophecy was self-fulfilling and fate doesn't exist (just ignore the supernaturally accurate predictions it makes).
>>4110970there are many villains who play piano in media lol
>>4111140There's the possiblity we were never intended to be here by Kris or anyone else and the summoning thing he did with Catti was unrelated or even backfired and us being here was not the intended result of it. The whole thing is a "The presence of a player means a good ending is impossible" as an extension of UT's TP ending asking you to leave the game and its people alone and not come back
>>4111161That's vile. That piece of shit shouldn't be making games and charging money for them if he thinks this way. You don't attack the source of your income.
>>4111152i wouldn't go as far as to call mother 3 bad, but it's a deeply flawed game and the worst of the trilogy when you look at it objectively
>>4111161>The whole thing is a "The presence of a player means a good ending is impossible" as an extension of UT's TP ending asking you to leave the game and its people alone and not come backdeltarune always ponder the most challenging idea: what if the whole game fucking sucked?(btw, if you choose the "give up" option in the game over screen, the world fucking dies, so it's clear they're nothing without us.)
>>4111143Foreshadowing...!!
>>4111167deltarune fans*
>>4111167nothing without us NOW*, there's time for them to turn around and say "The second a higher entity, an ANGEL, was introduced, our reality became dependent on it's continued presence"
>>4111143Roulx = Gaster confirmed.
>>4111166I would. Even when I was a kid, i couldnt stand that piece of crap. And people fought to bring it to this country?
>>4111145We've argued about this before.Toby said years ago Chapter 2 was supposed to be the longest in the entire game.Even if the new ones stretch that idea, it's still unlikely 7 or 7B will be particularly long.
>>4111100It's not a kiss, but a nose-nuzzling competition Frisk did with Toriel, Undyne, Papyrus and Monster Kid. But maybe it's a kiss and she's just a slut that kisses everyone (especially kid since he won that one)
>>4111179Where was the nose-nuzzling competition at the festival by the way
>>4111161>Gaster literally summons us to create a new future for HIS DELTARUNE>"erm... actually... you being here means this world has NO future... lmao get tricked DUMBASS RETARD YOU WERE PLAYING SPEC OPS: THE LINE ALL ALONG! ALL THESE HORRIBLE THINGS WOULDN'T HAVE EVER HAPPENED IF YOU JUST NEVER BOUGHT THE GAME AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"
>>4111182Conveniently cancelled because otherwise itd force Toby to assign a year to the present time of the story, and that'd be another clear detail for the audience so he cant have that happening
>>4111111Checked.
>>4111186Then get a new developer who can do the job.
>>4111185This is the same cockroach who thinks you have a moral obligation to play pacifist.
>>4111125We technically sold her soul to Chara, not Frisk herself, plus Chara was already a weird metaphysical demon when that happened while Kris is still a human. I don't think he has the same powers just yet.
>>4111168unironically, yeah. that whole fucking area reeks of foreshadowing>gray houses being colored in>for some reason this gives you TP>blue vs red (ice vs fire)>gray ship disguise for the thrash machine>out of place castle town in the middle of it>rouxls kaard's portrait not matching his sprite at all>everything except for rouxls kaard's head being frozen solid (papyrus reference?)>boat on a river with ralsei that can only move forward or be delayed temporarily>blue hands>>4111171ive always thought he was more a papyrus parallel than anything, with his shitty puzzles that accomplish next to nothing and his game breaking power level being subtly referenced and never fully shown.
>>4111182It would've been even more Suselle bait it was there.
>>4111191When did he say that?
>>4111189And allow the player to know something, which could, judging from the fact even the most innocuous details are kept vague, give them the means to instantly connect ALL of Deltarune's dots, solve the story AND predict the fever dream ending with 500% accuracy?Not a chance! Everything HAS to stay cryptic and unknowable until Chapter 7!
>>4111199once the game ends, we'll look back and start pondering stuff like "damn, why didnt toby just do or reveal this and this earlier since clearly this thing wasn't that relevant to the ending?"
>>4111196Kris and Noelle would have gotten more points than Susie and Noelle, though.
>>4111200That's the neat part, nothing that isnt relevant to the ending will be revealed at all! Gotta preserve the "Mystery" aspect of the game when its finished after all right? Everyone's gotta have SOMETHING to be talking about for years after release, a new Gaster to replace the old one. Doesn't that sound great?
Gaster deniers were so mind broken by shit like this that they genuinely think Toby will waste an entire decade of mysteryboxxing and schizophrenic gaster kayfabe by relegating him to a 3 second cutscene at the end of the weird route, just to spite us. And that we should thank Toby for raping us, because casual fans are apparently drooling, mouth breathing anthropoids that will die of a stroke if a character appears WTIHOUT 40 billion hours of in-game build up, or giant flashing signs with his legal name, blood type, government ID, and a topography map of the wrinkles on his left nutsack following him wherever he goes. Just in case they forget who he is.
>>4111202And then Toby will just say "you were wrong lol try again" in 10-15 years with UNRELATED!
Hey yeah man! Gaster will totally have an amazing payoff after all this time!Just like all the great scenes with Toriel and Undyne we got in chapter 3 after waiting 3 years with that teaser!Or the amazing scenes with Catti in the church!Or how much Asgore did in his own chapter after being hyped up for years!Or how the game explored the mad ghost's interest in Asgore after teasing that for years!Or all the amazing alternate plots and bosses we got after the chapter 2 weird route!
>>4111208>Or how the game explored the mad ghost's interest in Asgore after teasing that for years!Because cope is a drug I cannot drop, there is A CHANCE this will have some payoff in ch6. Its the semi final chapter, something should happen soon that will make the light world situation irrelevant, Maddie might actually notice Asgore is gone and be the first to actually make the town care about what's happening.It's be like... 5 minutes before everyone turns to stone so they can be out of the way for the climax of the story but... it could happen! Potentially! Like everything in this godforsaken game!!
Assblasted schizophrenics lost.
>>4111209I'll feel happy if Maddy decides to not go to Castle Town and stay there to water her flower friends.Might as well reveal her and Mettaton's ghost designs and drop a "Someone has to take care of these flowers" memberberry too.
>>4111204>because casual fans are apparently drooling, mouth breathing anthropoids that will die of a stroke if a character appears WTIHOUT 40 billion hours of in-game build up, or giant flashing signs with his legal name, blood type, government ID, and a topography map of the wrinkles on his left nutsack following him wherever he goes.To be fair that's why Chapter 5 exists, to make it clear for casuals that an event involving Dark Worlds happened a long time ago. That's why we got the entire Asgore monologue.
>>4111208looking forward to someone making a "meet POTENTIAL GAME!" image after chapter 7 drops
>you can't end with sparing>snow setting>can progress without winning the fight>theme is 0:57 and 1:57is there any other coincidences?
>>4111224It's gonna be a fun time even if 7 and 7b suck
>>4111225doesnt papyrus spare you at the end of the fight? plus, if you spam spare enough, papyrus eventually lets you go while knight does not
Who's the fallen star? The Vessel?
>>4111228he does, i should have wrote "you can not spare them" in
>>4111226Deltarune yellow is a better game.
>>4111208Assuming everything will turn out as bad as it possibly can doesn't make you look smart.
>>4111233Well you still have to use Spare on your final turn, Papyrus extends mercy to you but its on (You) to actually accept and return that mercy in kind. So if you consider this "You can not spare them" then this applies to every boss fight in undertale as is and not just Papyrus, you can only spare them once you're told you can (Except Muffet)Also no you cannot progress without winning, it doesnt give you a game over but you still need to fight and win to move the story along
>>4111235
>>4111234Statements like these is why Toby raped you with Blue x Yellow in particular.
>>4111239I can just ignore deltarune
>>4111232noelle
>>4111236>Also no you cannot progress without winning, it doesnt give you a game over but you still need to fight and win to move the story alongif you lose 3 times he gives you an option to fight and if you pick no, the game progresses. the spare stuff is true, i got that completely wrong.
>>4111192Anon, stop being retarded. There's no "we" in Undertale.In Deltarune, there's Gaster connecting "us" to his DEVICE. There's no Gaster, connection or DEVICE in Undertale.>but Flowey in dark screen1. He's speaking to Chara, 2. It's as canon as Flowey's tweets.
>>4111232Asriel? He's the crying and crying boy
Kris and Noelle will kiss
>>4111241That's precisely why you're the raped.
>>4111253You're the one who said that deltarune shouldn't be raping your previous view of the other games
>>4110489>that VNThe most unforgettable horror porn game I've ever played. No other game had a bunch of elementary schoolers gangbang a teenage girl against a wall. And the teenage girl loved it. No other game I've played had a 17 year old bishonen guy drink a 14 year old girl's piss and chase her down the hall to rape her, only to wind up getting anally raped by a 32 year old fat man. I still remember the scene where a 16-17 girl was hiding under a bed as her same age best friend was having sex with that same 32 year old fat guy on top. She heard every moan, bed shake and sound. In the wrong end she was discovered under the bed by her friend and made to join. A most terrifying scene was when an unwilling girl relives another girl's sex memories. The girl in the memory consented but the reliving girl didn't. It didn't matter that she was mentally screaming, her body in the memory did all the motions and actions as in history. It's like mind control rape except the victim was fully aware. Another scene the same girl and a friend were almost raped in a magic sex ritual, saved by the girl's older sister, and the backlash made the older sister want to rape her younger sister and friend.The loli in this pic is freakishly lewd and once disguised herself as a teenage girl, fucked a boy until he nearly came, transformed back saying>You thought you were having sex with a highschooler weren't you? I'm an elementary schooler all along!And leglocks that boy, forcing him to cum inside her unprotected, when he screams in fear upon learning this. This isn't even getting into the tentacles, the gay sex, the lesbian sex, the incest, the sequel's mother/daughter lesbian scene, etc. The first chapter alone contains lots of lesbian sex scenes with an unavoidable girl masturbating in the bathroom. Truly horror is intrinsically connected with sexuality.
>>4111232Probably the Knight, the bitter tear item is said to come from the sky and the Knight is seen floating high up in the dark sanctuaryI don't know what the thing that looks like glass is though, or what it has to do with the broken conch.
>>4111258Took long enough, didn't ya?
>>4111260Black Shard looks like glass in the Light World, so it's assumed that's Knight's appearance at large since its blade and armor are seemingly identical in appearance.
>>4111243>if you lose 3 times he gives you an option to fight and if you pick noI didnt know about that part, that's funny
>>4111258>And leglocks that boy, forcing him to cum inside her unprotectedBased
>>4111256I never said that.
>>4111265even funnier is that it's actually faster to die 3 times than do the whole fight, so the UT speedrun uses it.
Toby probably put the "things took a weird route" line in the game to cement the name and prevent a fandom name becoming the standard like "Genocide Route" did.Because the pick would have been "Rape Route" obviously.
>>4111264the blackshard is described as opaque glass, and is also explicitly said to be a shard of the black knife in it's dark world description if i had to guess, the black knife is an obsidian blade in the light world, possibly a pair with kris' white knife (possibly japanese white steel because toby is a gigaweeb)
>>4111271Did you know the word "Genocide" is never said once in Undertale's entire script?
>>4111273yeahneither in the code
>>4111272The real reason the Knight only kidnaps people in the dark world is to avoid using their blade which is useless as a weapon in the light world, I see
>>4111276tracks with most dark world weapons being useless in the light world
>>4111258That loli? Kris Dreemurr.
>>4111272>>4111276Whatever the knife is, it retains its form in both worlds and even just a shard of it makes for a good weapon. Going off the stats in Undertale, the BlackShard would be the 2nd strongest among them only beaten by the Real Knife, and having 1 more point of AT than the Worn Dagger. So it's certainly a real weapon, with genuine power in it
>BIG SHOT has that bit from Dummy because Spamton was yet again copying another major characterSo was Mike the SINGLE thing Spamton said that was never supposed to have a follow up?Or...
>>4111285The follow up to what Spamton said about Mike was Mike's "presence" in chapter 3.
>>4111285Mike is REAL, Chapter 5 confirmed it. Now we just need to know if he was ERAM in disguise or if he really was a separate person that just disappeared (but also somehow stuck around?)
I think we might get a newsletter on October but I don't wanna wait until actual halloween for it. This sucks.
THERE'S A BOMB STRAPPED TO MY CHEST
>>4111286He did say in the sweepstakes no one knows Mike "and that's how it's gonna stay".>>4111287I guess that microphone jpeg will feel like speaking up at the last minute in the game.
newsletter tonight i can feel it
>>4111291That's not the real Mike though, that's the fourth (false) Mike.
A newsletter just flew over my house!
>>4111285Tenna vagueposted about Mike in 5 so he's real but I have no idea why Toby even added that scene. It's too late for Mike.
>Dog Residue (ID:33)>"Jigsaw puzzle left unfinished by a dog."I cant believe Toby thought this far ahead and put an entire summary of Deltarune within Undertale!
the fall newsletter raped me
>>4111300you have to understand it was a really really cool fucking fever dream okay
>>4111300I can't believe Toby foreshadowed how Deltarune was going to be shit!
>>4111232The Knight.
>chapter whatever>the identity of the one who made the call to Spamton is revealed>the one who destroyed his relationship with Tenna>it was none other than Battat>Spamton knew the current Mikes were fakers and was about to rat them out>but Battat wanted to keep his scam going for whatever reason
The twist in chapter 6 will be that Susie won't be in the party. Kris will go fetch Noelle for her but find that she has already opened a Dark world out of desperation to try and heal Rudy, Ralsei will hurry over but won't notify Susie to not complicate things.
>>4111291>>4111295Mike doesn't exist, he's a memory construct woven into the backstories of Spamton and Tenna, and those who try to figure anything out about him, like the Mikes, go insane in doing so.This is to parallel Dess, who also doesn't exist, and is merely a memory construct woven into the backstories of Hometown, and those who try to figure anything out about her, like Asgore and Noelle, go insane in doing so.
>>4111314dess existed in the alarm clock thougheverand in some of the console versions
>>4111316Retroactively added in by Gaster to bring parity between the worlds. The original Alarm Clock app drafts never mentioned Dess.
>>4111314Who made the angel puppet in Rudy's hospital room then? Who was Asriel writing letters to? Who's in the festival photos? Who's mentioned in Noelle's blog posts?
>>4111314You don't exist.
>>4111319Just as the Dark Worlds are able to fabricate an extended period of backstory and history for its domain and denizens, Gaster's able to do the same thing to the Light World, since both are ultimately different layers of fiction.There can be traces that IMPLY a past existence, but until they actually appear in the flesh, there is zero indication they truly existed at all, and may very well have been just a collection of memory, with fabricated context to imply they did exist previously.Asriel, too, is a potential memory construct who doesn't exist, but we don't know that until we see if he actually shows up.
>>4111232The angel, dumdum. Fallen star, fallen angel.
>>4111310Susie is Toby's favorite character there's no way she's missing an entire chapter.
>>4111329Without Susie, it'd just be everyone sighing wistfully that Susie isn't here to see this, or wondering if they'd be in a better situation if Susie were here, because she ALWAYS knows what to do with her iconic Susie's Ideas.
>>4111310susie being missing would be a great relief
I thought Noelle was Toby's favorite character? He can't stop bringing everything back to her.
>>4111335Noelle literally only exists to be a Weird Route plot device or as Susie's girlfriend. Nothing more.
>>4111335if he liked her then he wouldve made her appear in other dark worlds
>>4111335Kris? Exists to be Susie's cuck boy.Ralsei? Exists to be Susie's slave.Noelle? Exists to be Susie's girlfriend.Toriel? Exists to be Susie's disillusionment with the Light World.Carol? Exists to provide """conflict""" to Susie's relationship.Knight? Exists to be Susie's rival.Asgore? Undyne? Exists to provide motivation for Susie.Gaster? Susie's Father.
>>4111335noelle is barely even a character in the normal route, primarily existing as susie's girlfriend with the occasional kriselle crumbs the majority of what people like about noelle are in the weird route and the sweepstakes
are you brave enough to find out what's under Aqua's dress?
>>4111340I wanna see what's under Kris's oversized shirt.
sky mantle
>>4111343The Sky Mantle is definitely a napkin!
>>4111335He likes her but Susie is definitely Toby's waifu, even his old likes describe her.
>>4111344yes, it goes along with the table of the gods
Anon is definitely going to be raped!
throne of the raped
deltarape
i believe in the tem to give us weirdkino
Why does Toby fox hate traditional rpgs?
we back?
dont forget.i'll rape you in the dark.
Do you guys not use /meta/ on b4k when the site goes down?
No. Not giving you a (you) btw
>>4111369I use /meta/ on b4k and desuarchive, and I also ghostpost on desuarchive's /a/ archive
>>4111366he sees them as archaic and lacking in strong female characters who don't need no manhis one criticism of mother 3 is that hinawa does nothing and dies, that's it
>>4111372What a faggot. Do no one see how this fucker's a liability to keep in the industry?
>>4111372And then he makes Deltarune, where Toriel does nothing and can be boiled down to the same extreme point of "her wellbeing is what motivates the main characters".What a fucking joker.
>>4111376the industry doesn't give a shit about him as a storyteller or a game dev, they only care about him as a musician him being on the council of hacks in japan is more of a containment than him making it big over there
i wonder what this could be foreshadowing
>>4111379Susie will become Spamton?
>>4111379>kris smirking at susie's comment about noelle liking statues>snow shaped/colored particles>"i cant really see" = "it snowed so hard you couldnt see anything" (or whatever the exact line is i forgot)susie is getting frozen on at least one of the routes.
>>4111366I recall he stated once he played so many of them he got tired.
>>4111369I do healthier things like watch youtube videos the whole day
>>4111378there's a whole council of the tuckers now?
>>4111384I got tired from the opposite.
>>4111389you know that one picture of him with sakurai, kodaka, yoko taro, etc? that's the council they're all either hacks or has beens, with toby being both despite only having one finished game
>>4111393You played less than 5 jrpgs in your whole life
>>4111372>>4111376>>4111377is this what you people do all day? make up things and then get angry about them?
>>4111406toby told us to IMAGINE and that's what i'm going to doif he had given us any news about ch6 i would be talking about that instead, but he didn't so now we're here
>>4111408>but he didn't so now we're hereToby isn't forcing you to be a histrionic faggot on the internet. If he put out a newsletter you would just be whining about that instead. If you want to get mad, get mad. Just don't be so melodramatic about it.
>>4111411I'm mad. Chapter 5 sucked.
chapter 5 raped me
>>4111412>I'm mad....Pink?
>>4111413t. kris
hey guysguess what......Mike.............................
>>4111420Hawk
>begin chapter 5 dark world>flowery has already raped your dad>calls you a tranny fart>leavestoby please the cucking was brutal enough
>>4111424I was bracing for an impact that never happened with this chapter>early chapter 5>expecting asgore to become a spineless faggot fully>mid chapter 5>expecting asgore to become a jerk who abandons his family for some flowers>end of chapter 5>somehow he actually got his dignity back since 2015>worst aspect is how much his presence was wasted
>>4111430Your mistake was thinking Undertale characters are allowed to do anything unless they're a Shadow Crystal holder.
>>4111154You are able to deduce it though, we just don't have confirmation that we're right.>b-but le newsletterHe was coping because we already solved it.
>>4111440Pink did less things than Asgore, who also didn't do much.Gerson did things but I'd argue nowhere as much as Berdly.Now I know Berdly isn't from DR but he still is a monster, and the only non-playable monster so far who had the sort of impact within a chapter that is usually reserved for darkners.
>>4111440What if none of the undertale characters were a part of Toby's dream and they are all just in DR so that Toby can reuse assets and bait undertale fans into buying the game, kek
>>4111463what if the dream part doesnt start til chapter 6 and everything til now was just crowdfunding bait + window dressing
>>4111463I wouldn't buy the game if i liked the undertale characters deltarune made worse versions of all of them
I don't like the undertale cast so the less screentime they get, the better
>>4111463Absolutely no one except for Kris, Susie, Ralsei, Noelle and Gaster were a part of the initial concepts devised after the fever dream, and even then Susie isn't quite her concept self, so that just leaves Kris, Ralsei, Noelle and Gaster.
>>4111463That's almost confirmed, from the start he had said they weren't related projects at first.
what if there was never any dream
>>4111472Asgore is the best character Toby fox ever made and he's in undertale.
>>4111484There is a part of me that wonders how much Toby Fox is just a persona he created to prop himself up as an artist. Even in his Homestuck/Earthbound days he seems to struggle with how others perceive him.That said, I know it's rude to imply people are lying like this.
Reading the last 400 posts, i'm under the belief you people are retarded faggots who didn't actually pay attention to anything that happened in chapter 5.
>>4111497then enlighten us, anon
>>4111497Give us your totally correct and real reading then.
>>4111179They are very clearly full tongue frenching while she jerks him off in that pic
>>4111510Kris is female.
>>4111520we already know that
>>4111185If our presence is negative somehow obviously it's because of the interloper and not because of Gaster you retard>>4111194I know this is the point but I hope a lot of past things are interesting to see and interpret on a replay after the 7 chapters drop
>>4111520>>4111524get out
>>4111520No shit.
>>4111234Shill it to me
>>4111273Same with Omega
>>4111271Heh... Just in case you guys didn't know, that line is a reference to the Weird Route that you can start in Deltarune Chapter 2 once you're paired up with Noelle. It's a funny and clever nod that only a genius writer could come up with and is in no way indicative of lazy writing and spending so much time referencing things that you end up referencing yourself too much for an entire chapter.
>>4111463That's pretty much been confirmed, he's already said that the original idea was all Lightners were Humans but became Monsters in the Dark Worlds.At best, Toriel mightve been in the original DR plan because Toby said she was meant to be a human (or human-like goddess) originally as well iirc (10th anniversary stream)
>>4111534That's not really the worst self reference the game makes.
>>4111287>5*4
>>4111340Rape prevention, you're not attractive or a woman so you wouldn't understand
>>4111540Honestly, not even the worst one in that chapter
>>4111546Yeah.Hell, that shitty line about "a new friend with a memorable theme" is at least 50% why I feel like complaining about Pink.
>>4111369Yeah to post at the ends of old threads and win arguments
>>4111406Uh, yeah?
>>4111549Pink is a lesson in why first impressions and expectations matter so much, because without either of hers she wouldve been fine. Great, debateable, but absolutely fine. A lot of her quality is soured by both the expectations of what a schizo boss, especially the FINAL schizo boss, should be, and the immediate intro to her fight. Like if they had just walked into the locked room and immediately skipped to the scene with Orange, that alone would give her an extra 1-2 points on a scale of 10 because it gets rid of the "HAHA ITS A SECRET BOSS, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS PLAYER I MEAN KRIS" bit
>>4111520Kris is male
>>4111559the facts disagreehttps://files.catbox.moe/ler76h.png
>>4111563>factsAll the "facts" are as stretched as the asshole of the faggot who came up with this theory. For example, Aqua may hint at Kris's personality, yeah. But why the fuck does that automatically have to indicate his gender? And about the argument that The Girl is holding Kris's sword. Fucking hell, it could be a completely different sword, so what makes it specifically Kris's sword? And Kris doesn't have hair that long.
>>4111569kris' hair is often subject to debate because the default walking sprites are fucking dogshit at actually depicting what kris is supposed to look likewe know this because every other kris sprite portrays her with longer hair
>>4111572Kris's hair isn't that fucking long. Get your eyes checked, yuritard
I genuinely dont think there will be a moment in Deltarune going forward as kino as Clover's LV rising when Axis admits to killing a child
>>4111577It doesn't have to be the hair, could be Kris's cape
>>4111577who said that was kris' hair? it could be the ascotthe concept art show it flaring up like that
Do you faggots never get tired of discussing the same shit over and over again? you already know you aren't going to convince the other guy so what's the point?
>>4111586But have we convinced you?
>>4111586Occasionally I do find other people who go along with my rants and that feels niceRight after the last release I managed to get into some good battatposting with other anons
>>4111580>>4111583It's the hair and the cape. The hair is mid-back length. Kris's hair is shoulder-length at most. The girl is 100% Susie. Because she was the one who found the love in Chapter 5.
>>4111586toby sama has forsaken us with no news yet again
>>4111593That era of constant teasers and peeks at chapter 3 was really weird in hindsight2 only had some and 4 and 5 had nothing of that.
>>4111563only kris can wear the princess gloves because he's the only human in the party
>>4111594either nintendo told him to stop or he figured that people are already locked in now that they've paid and he can just go radio silent until the ninty direct
>>4111595they're described as being delicate enough to see through man hands would break them
>>4111592why aren't susie's legs visible on the panel if she's the girl then? at least with noelle it makes sense since she's the one girl wearing big white robes
>>4111596Doesn't make sense because marketing is usually about showing people the most exciting parts of the game. He himself said it is weird the trailer for 5 featured none of the actual interesting parts of the chapter.
Kris is malnourished because he's raised off a monster diet which consists mostly of edible magic even long after that stopped having restorative properties for reasons Monsterkind has not figured out yet
>>4111586It's either this or crying about the absence of a newsletter and the realistic fact that Chapter 6, which we're already disappointed about, won't be until Summer '27, and then we have to wait until Halloween 2028 for Chapter 7 and 7B because Toby wants Deltarune to have taken 11 years exactly to reach its conclusion as an ebin nod and wink to le forgotten man.
>>4111597>man hands would break themIt depends on the material. Gloves can stretch. Just like your so-called "facts"
>>4111599isn't toby directly involved in what's shown in the trailers? if so that was probably him taking the piss and teasing everyoneremember this is the guy that said the only song that wasn't a spoiler was the shop one
>>4111597It's funny to imagine Kris writing Noelle's name as "Noel" wasn't a simple mistake, but rather Kris secretly wanting Noelle to not be a girl and their boyfriend
>>4111602https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/delicate
>>4111597the manly hands that got obliterated by a digit cat bite? kris's hands are weak and soft from a life free of labor and a diet consisting mostly of cinnamon pie.
>>4111603And that's still true?Shop 3 doesn't feature a single Mew Mew or Mad Dummy leitmotif, or any other relevant motif, and was already spoiled by Kris playing the piano anyway.
>>4111606Kris, my delicate tsundere princess...
>>4111598>why aren't susie's legs visible on the panel if she's the girl then?Who the hell knows. Maybe she'll wear a new outfit in the finale? Or maybe this role doesn't really suit Susie, since it was originally meant for Noelle. One thing is certain: The Girl is definitely not Kris. It's either Noelle or, more likely, Susie.
>>4111608sunset of the seven suns afaik only has new motifs, same with who might you besame goes for quiet gladeunless flowey's theme is hidden in there
>>4111601*2029
>>4111608He couldve shown us one of the dating themes he just reused from Undertale lmao
>>4111608He genuinely acted like hearing a song with the Legally Distinct Full House motif could just up and spoil the entirety of the game, tell you all about THAT DAY, and then perfectly predict the fever dream ending.
>>4111611>only has new motifsExactly. He didn't share a single bit of Tenna's motif before 3 released (except Hey Every but that one was shared anyway), we only got Sneaking precisely because it was discarded, and Green Room and Funky Town because they feature nothing new.
>>4111606Again, delicate clothing can stretch depending on the material. Also, Kris is a 16-year-old manlet, not some muscular, burly guy. His hands aren't that big.
>>4111615what about quiet glade then? surely it doesn't reveal any more than green room did
>>4111613I guess catfession/bratfession would be too jokey for what he was trying to set up 5 as? Plus, someone could might figure out those were related to Pizzapants.>>4111614I just think he wants people to be surprised. If he shared Your Dad's Best Friend it would instantly narrow it down to a few possibilities with the name alone.Plus, Toby has an incomprehensible way of understanding his game. Years ago he had said 4 and 5 were the more traditional chapters compared to 3, and that's not the case at all.
>>4111618>Plus, someone could might figure out those were related to Pizzapants.If he released both of them people would more likely assume it was about shipping them together and pizzapants wasnt involved at all
>>4111617I guess it reveals just a little bit too much about the mood.And to be fair, the quiet glade area was the single area he revealed in the trailer. And this fucking sucks because I loved it and it was the smallest area of the game.Once again I feel cucked by this game, and that has been the main experience for the past year.
>>4111618>years ago he said 4 and 5 were more traditional chapters compared to 3was that before or after the 2022-23 script revision?
>>4111621I have no clue, I just know it was post ch2.And 5 was planned to have the climbing since 2021, that alone rules it out from being a traditional chapter.
>>4111430The only problem with gorey was the vagueposting, i would take sans cucking over the incident tm, i ended up liking pink because of the lore patch
>>4111624>i would take sans cucking over the incident tmYeah we know you are a cuck.
>>4111554Actually I think it's one of a million lessons of DR fans hyping themselves up by stuffing their heads up their asses with headcanons like DUDE WHAT IF THE FINAL SCHIZO IS PAPYRUS GASTER SANS DRAGON MODE and getting a double dose of reality when they're reminded yet again that Toby is pretty much always goofy and took a more whimsical approach. You'd think you would get tired of this but no, you seem addicted to making ridiculous theories then getting predictably disappointed when the game doesn't fit your delusions.
>>4111559How is this proof, exactly?
>>4111634>Toby is pretty much always goofy and took a more whimsical approachNigga the current direction of the game is Toby trying to hammer THE EXACT OPPOSITE of this.He made the Halloween Hack EXACTLY for the reason of being seen as more than "the funny guy".
>>4111639This version getting the lyrics slightly wrong bothers me, which is sad because I think it's perfect otherwise
>>4111569I feel the exact same as you anon, I feel like Aqua shines a light on who Kris used to be without indicating gender but Toby was the one who said>The flowers may have been inspired :OOO I wonder by who :OOO can you figure it out?So people are going to double down, and not only that, Toby's autism keeps throwing lines out like Susie saying King and Queen feels like it don't apply to them, which pisses me off.
>>4111638>the current direction of the gameLet me do the math for youabout 15% of the game consists of actually serious scenes or serious undertonesabout 85% of the game is silliness and memesSo yes, the game is still whimsical but it's very telling that you and other lorefags hyper focus on anything remotely serious and see that as the entire game while the grand majority of everything happening around the few serious bits just goes over your head and doesn't even register
>>4111658>you and other lorefagsI AM A FUCKING PATTERNFAG WHO WAS EXPECTING 7 JEVILSES.And well, if you can't read in between the lines and see how cynical chapter 3 was then that's on you. Only chapter 2 NR is whimsical most of the way through.
I can only wonder how Shayy would've reacted to Aqua.Would she remind him of his discord kittens?
>>4111690he would've loved grooming her and seth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUtL5_ELupofunny videowonder if actually understanding russian would make it funnier
>>4111586People in this thread don't actually care about whats happening in the game and are just seeking out things to get mad at.
>>4111724what's happening in the game
>>4111724i do care what's happening in the game, but it seems like toby doesn't considering he's more focused on having nothing happen that progress the characters and the story
>>4111727Thats an awfully broad question.
>>4111736please enlighten me so I can be mad more accurately in your eyes
>>4111733But there IS alot that happens which progresses the characters and story in chapter 5? How exactly does it not do that?
>>4111737Could you atleast narrow it down a little?
>>4111743alrightwhat are the objectives of all the major characters in the game?
>>4111739what happens in ch5 that progresses the story? asgore getting kidnapped? we already have the issue that nobody seems to give a shit about undyne going missing and while susie is becoming more suspicious of kris, she chooses to ignore it and ralsei flat out tells kris that he trusts her even if he disagrees this is very little progression on both fronts, hardly any more than there was in the third chapter, which means toby is going to have to kick into overdrive in the next to chapters to progress the plot and the characters so he can actually end the story instead of leaving it on yet another cliffhanger
>>4111746Well, in regards to the Fun Gang:>Susie wants to save the day and stop the prophecy>Ralsei wants to stop the prophecy but feels as though he can't>Kris is following a promise they made with the knight that they feel indebted enough to that they will endure great amounts of suffering and sacrifice everything else they have in their life else for it>Noelle feels as though they are trapped in their situation and they aren't strong enough to do anything, wants to change everything about themselves, and seeks out other people to bring this change. (first from Dess, then Susie/Kris in sides A and B respectively.)All of this is pretty much backed up by what is shown in game.
>>4111749>what happens in ch5 that progresses the story?Chapter 5 serves as continuation for what was set up in chapter 4. Flowery directly challenges the fun gang on their beliefs and passivity in regards to the prophecy and is really the first character to actually start grilling Kris for their allegiances. Also see: >>4110791 for more on this.Chapter 5 properly establishes the relationship between Susie and Noelle that Toby really wanted to build up to (which actually progresses the plot meaningfully since it leads to chapter 5's cliffhanger ending.)Pink is the first instance of the game meaningfully addressing the Kris/Player dichotomy and sets up it's resolution with Pink and Maddie reconciling their differences and working together. Pink also directly loredumps about FRIEND whom has never really been talked about up until this point.>susie is becoming more suspicious of kris, she chooses to ignore it and ralsei flat out tells kris that he trusts her even if he disagreesSusie probably figured out Kris opened the fountain, though she's still in denial that Kris is a FUCKING TRAITOR. Which is probably why she brought in Noelle. It's called buildup..... They're building up to it.......... it wasn't addressed prior so it's being addressed now...... same with Ralsei's chit-chat with Kris.
>>4111767>uuuhhhh but what about the knight and gaster and eram andYou aren't even supposed to know who the Knight is, so obviously their motivations would be unclear as well. And in the case of Gaster and ERAM you aren't even supposed to be aware of their existence yet!!!
>>4111780>Chapter 5 serves as continuation for what was set up in chapter 4. From a fucking Titan to this.>Flowery directly challenges the fun gang on their beliefs and passivity in regards to the prophecy Because the prophecy itself didn't do that already?>and is really the first character to actually start grilling Kris for their allegiances.he vagueposted about it>Chapter 5 properly establishes the relationship between Susie and Noelle that Toby really wanted to build up to (which actually progresses the plot meaningfully since it leads to chapter 5's cliffhanger ending.)They barely had screen time together, despite how stretched this subplot has been.>Pink is the first instance of the game meaningfully addressing the Kris/Player dichotomy and sets up it's resolution with Pink and Maddie reconciling their differences and working together. Spamton.>Pink also directly loredumps about FRIEND whom has never really been talked about up until this point.She only made less ambiguous shit that had already been implied through MANTLE and the ARG.
>>4111785>From a fucking Titan to this.Flowery has more gravitas and impact on the narrative than the Titan, whom exists solely to be a barricade against the heroes.>Because the prophecy itself didn't do that already?...No? The prophecy itself is just the prophecy. And in the case of chapter 4 Gerson (whom actually challenges the prophecy) has to actively be sought out, whereas Flowery is in your face at all times.>he vagueposted about itHe also doesn't really know much about Kris' allegiances, besides the fact that he made the fountain. So he can't go "Kris, i know you're a FUCKING TRAITOR who WORKS WITH THE KNIGHT" or whatever.>They barely had screen time together, despite how stretched this subplot has been.Okay.>Spamton.All Spamton really does is point it out. Pink's fight concludes it in a far more satisfying matter. (im not saying Pink is better written than Spamton with this.)>She only made less ambiguous shit that had already been implied through MANTLE and the ARG.FRIEND's role in MANTLE is to establish that they have a connection with ERAM and that's about it really. The ARG isn't in the game and a blind player wouldn't see it, not to mention a good amount of things like FRIEND hunting the Forgotten Man were totally unknown prior, and things that had been implied previously were totally overlooked.
>>4111799Flowery after Titan feels like cranking the gas pedal all the way then braking out of nowhere. The Prophecy made both Susie and Ralsei break down in despair with their fates.Ramb questioned Kris more than Flowery ever did, THOUGH to give him credit he did tell Susie to look for his code.Calling a shadow crystal junk after the gut punch that was the Knight is satisfying?Eram spawns a bunch of FRIENDS on command as an attack, that should have been enough to explain what the deal with them is. And their beef with the Forgotten Man wasn't unknown, the ARG voice is openly hostile to him.
>>4111803>Flowery after Titan feels like cranking the gas pedal all the way then braking out of nowhere.Your argument is... there aren't enough HYPE MOMENTS and AURA? Really??>The Prophecy made both Susie and Ralsei break down in despair with their fates.Wow, so you'd think the game would have a character address this, right? Perhaps they could appear in the chapter after the prophecy was explained to the player? Perhaps they could be the chapter's boss?>Ramb questioned Kris more than Flowery ever did, THOUGH to give him credit he did tell Susie to look for his code.Ramb didn't challenge Kris at all. He seems largely apathetic to it all whereas Flowery was deeply conflicted by it.>Calling a shadow crystal junk after the gut punch that was the Knight is satisfying?Hello, CoL?>Eram spawns a bunch of FRIENDS on command as an attack, that should have been enough to explain what the deal with them is. Not really, since the vast majority of people thought that FRIEND was the big scary mastermind and ERAM was just like, a magic cape or something. Anyways you can't complain about vagueposting and then say explaining FRIEND is unnecessary since you could TECHNICALLY get some sort of idea for what they are.>And their beef with the Forgotten Man wasn't unknown, the ARG voice is openly hostile to him.The ARG voice never brings up the Forgotten Man at all.
Accuracy of this tierlist?
>>4111809kris would at least attempt to fight initiallynoelle would be the one raping (you)others seem believable https://files.catbox.moe/n1rf2l.jpg
>>4111806>there aren't enough HYPE MOMENTS and AURA? Really??My argument is that this story has ZERO tonal consistency.You don't follow an apocaliptic threat and a character having blood smeared on his face with quirky flowers.>so you'd think the game would have a character address this, right?Yeah! One that isn't a Tenna tier joke character.>Ramb didn't challenge Kris at all.* Kris... I'm an ignorant plug. Can't say I know your motivation.* But... I saw. I saw you make it, you know. The Fountain.* Could it be... you just wanted to have fun again?* Heh heh heh... some REAL fun, just like the old days.* ...>Flowery was deeply conflicted by it.* And Kris... well, Kris.* You know how I feel about you, don't you?* Well... time to go, everyone.>Hello, CoL?wrong guy lmao>the vast majority of people thoughtThe vast majority of people are retarded.>you can't complain about vagueposting and then say explaining FRIEND is unnecessaryI'm complaining Pink added nothing besides confirming heavily implied things.>The ARG voice never brings up the Forgotten Man at all.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA now you're just admitting you don't actually pay attention to this shit.>How long did it take for her to smile?>11 hours or 11 years>Make up your mind.>Where will it take place?>Nowhere>That's not what the question is about.
>>4111809flanderized every single one of them
>>4111811>You don't follow an apocaliptic threat and a character having blood smeared on his face with quirky flowers.First off thats "Apo-alyptic" and not "Apo-caliptic"?Also. That's the point. Of the chapter. That's what Toby Fox made the chapter For. That's What Toby Fox told you The Chapter would Be About.>Yeah! One that isn't a Tenna tier joke character."Joke Character" is when a Character makes a Joke.>quotefromrambThis isn't "challenging" them. He's just wondering why Kris opened it, and even then he doesn't really care.>quotefromfloweryThis literally proves my point?>wrong guy lmaoCoL is a fucking retard who makes retarded observations on the game. Basically what im saying here is if that's the only conclusion you can make on the end of Pink's fight then You Are A Retard.>The vast majority of people are retarded.You included it seems if this is your take on chapter 5.>I'm complaining Pink added nothing besides confirming heavily implied things.Everything about FRIEND prior to chapter 5 was very much vagueposting and could only be inferred through subtle context clues, or didn't have much evidence at all.>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA now you're just admitting you don't actually pay attention to this shit.Referencing the forgotten mans lines (not even mentioning the forgotten man or saying anything about him) means that ERAM is saying that he hates the Forgotten Man and has unleashed his pack of Hunting Cats to unleash hell upon him and anyone who collects his Eggs????????????? There is literally nothing in these reponses that shows that. You're just making shit up and i am 100% certain you never made that connection until Pink talked about it directly.
>>4111813*apocalyptic, bluh.
there's been a kumatora thread on /v/ for nearly 6 hours with straight up beast porn in it lolthe absolute state of /v/guarantee if there was a dr thread it would be sniped within 10 minutes
>>4111813>Also. That's the point. Of the chapter. That's what Toby Fox made the chapter For. That's What Toby Fox told you The Chapter would Be About.I paid 25 dollars for this game expecting more of what the previous game and that free sample was. That never happened.I'd tell (You) and Toby to suck a dick but you would both probably like that. Auteurship isn't sacred, someone can have a vision and that vision can be blurry as fuck.
>>4111816>I came to Deltarune to complete the Pattern. Fight Jevil 7 times in a row. Enter Cyber City 7 times in a row. Genocides with a new party member 7 times in a row. This is all i care about, nothing else and i cant even have that.
>>4111817>I came to Undertale to complete the pattern.>reach a new area>meet two characters who will keep coming back to you for cutscenes across said area>fight an unrelated mid boss>fight one of the two characters you met>have a hangout scene>this happened 4 out of 5 areas
You know, the sad thing is that Deltarune will be influential regardless of how bad the ending will be, and that influence will just spread the shit elsewhere.Take a look at Steven Universe. Not even the fans really like where the story went, but it completely changed the landscape of western fandoms and the shows/games that get made for those types.
>>4111820does steven universe even have fans anymore? at best you have coomers who still like some of the characters but as a whole i don't think you could pin down anything that has been directly inspired by it, considering its contemporaries were very similar to it in a lot of ways
>>4111824>does steven universe even have fans anymore?I have no clue, but it was THE show that kickstarted many of the current faggy trends we see.
>>4111826i would blame adventure time more than steven universe if anything steven universe is seen as a cautionary tale of how easy it is to lose control of your show either by pushing the network too far or by letting your staff walk all over you
>>4111727Shipping and enbies, so get mad at it.
>>4111235Actually intelligence is about predicting outcomes, whether bad or good. It's just everybody here except you reached the consensus that since there is too many shit to resolve it can only be bad.
>>4111813>>4111817NTA, but the only reason why people act like DR has profound writing is because Toby broke through with undertale and now he has a cult of faggots who will praise every ill decision that ruins the tempo of the game as an actually well thought out hecking subversion/subtle lore implication. If you had the stakes slowly escalate from ch 1 to 3 and then had a return to funny adventures with 4 and 5 before shit hits the fan with the titan in maybe ch6 before 7 being Dies irae, that would've been great. But now the stakes in chapters, as the story progresses, look like a jagged line. Ch1 is funny, Ch2 is JarJar Binks NR and dramatic WR so it gets a pass, from me, for the contrast. Now, Ch3 is a nothingburger where nothing of note happens (if you don't break the Zelda game) until it escalates at the end with RK and Undyne out of nowhere. Ch4 is is similiar because nobody gives a shit about Undyne so all of the buildup from Ch3 goes nowhere (it really could've been shuffled so that it appears later and 5 could've been the earlier meme chapter). Ch5 goes from 100% joke to 100% "serious" a few times, but it's still anticlimactic in the end because nothing ever happens and Asgore is the dementia king and the world DOES NOT REACT to what is happening. Undertale was all about the characters reacting to your actions, and in DR all of the characters are high on opium and just dgaf because lol lmao.
>>4111226She did not kill her child judge it was self defense
Yeah I'm starting to think Undertale was a traditional modern RPG as in it understood morals and conflict (human vs monsters etc.) while Deltarune is meant to be le postmodern because conflict is delayed for basically never and nothing ever happens everyone is delusional with escapism but nobody call each other out. It's basically YIIK but if it failed to address its themes.
>>4111835The world doesn't react because no one's choices matter, as no one can choose who they are in this world.It's just Gaster's prophecy sucking itself off until Chapter 7 Golden Route where the narrative permits you to defy the prophecy and create a new future.
>>4111827Isn't that what's happening in DR already.We got a 10 man team now and instead of getting substantially better it gets substantially worse and we got from zero trans grooming scenes to two in one (1) chapter.
>>4111826People in this thread will not admit it but Undertale was also that for indie games
>>4111820How strange it is that we partially have Steven Universe (Or Adventure Time) to thank for anime being so popular.
>>4111835The ACTUAL reason you're disappointed is that you crammed a billion expectations for chapter 5 because you thought "Woah.. I thought the Titan would be the final boss! That must mean chapter 5 will have DOUBLE the final bosses!!!". If chapters 3 and 4 released seperately you'd probably see something like this:>HOLY SHIT Tenna was killed off forever!!! Toby's turning up the heat now!!!>OH MY GOD GUYS Chapter 4 is gonna start in the Shelter!!!>OH MY GOD GUYS the Knight showed up and it was confirmed that Kris was working for them>Woah... So like.... Chapter 4 is gonna be in the shelter... and the Knight is gonna be in the shelter... and Kris is friends with the Knight...>HOLY SHIT!!! In chapter 4 the Knight is gonna join our party! Then we'll explore the ERAM Gaster Shelter together just like MANTLE predicted!!!>Guys since Kris is a FUCKING TRAITOR then that means we're gonna be spending the rest of the game working with the Knight and we'll kill the Fun Gang!!>NO MORE GOO-GOO GA-GA FUN TIME ADVENTURE BULLSHIT MOTHERFUCKERS. WE'RE GETTING SERIOUS IN THIS BITCH NOW>FUCK "DELTARUNE", NOW ITS KRIS AND THE KNIGHT: DARKNESS DUO!>Cut to Susie eating pancakes in chapter 4.
>>4111846You upset a woman and they start writing fanfiction about you
>>4111847I love women but the /utg/ women scare me.
>>4111847This applies to like 90% of people who got mad at chapter 5.
>>4111809
>>4111852>Will stay aliveStop being delusional Anonymous...
>>4111846>HOLY SHIT Tenna was killed off forever!!! Toby's turning up the heat now!!!to be fair, if we had to wait a year between 3 and 4 then bringing back tenna after that would be backpedaling to an extreme. especially with the "i miss tenna" comment from one of his playtesters
>>4111845You mean bronies? Yeah we should have sent them to work camps before it was too late
despite all the unrealistic shit in deltarune, one of the most realistic depiction it had was of the police force taking a gorillion years to actually get to toriel's house after the phonecall
>>4111851How dare the game's fans write fanfictionSurely I, the only one who understands the author (I sucked him off yesterday) can get back at them for such vile behaviour
>>4111846NTA, Chapter 5 just isn't tonally consistent with Chapter 4 at all. Most of my expectations were fulfilled, the only one that wasn't was that it would follow up on Chapter 4's tone and consistent character writing and it's because of those few failures that I don't like the chapter.You can quit acting like a faggot pretending that everyone who hates the chapter is a lorefag with a bazillion expectations and just replay Chapter 4 and the beginning of 5. See for yourself how the game follows up on the conflict of the final prophecy with Susie receiving off-screen development to turn her into a flanderized version of herself that only cares about Noelle. The wacky dark world platformer that pretends a lot of Chapter 4 didn't happen and ends up retreading the same ground because of it is just salt on the wound at this point.
>>4111858I really think Toby just swapped 4 and 5 light worlds around because the tranny devs were taking TOO LONG with the platforming.
>>4111857Theres nothing wrong with speculation, but you shouldn't be mad when your theories don't turn out to be true. Like half the point of theorizing is seeing how your theories turn out to be wrong.
>>4111859*light and dark worlds
>>4111861And I had fun with theorizing until Toby shat in my face by openly mocking one of the most popular theories in his game. But I get it, you like being berated by the author. It's a fetish of yours.
>>4111858Susie's characterization is pretty consistent through chapter 4 and 5, outside of toby being bad at writing the natural development of a relationship. It's just that 5 makes her flaws far more evident.Chapter 5 directly addresses what Chapter 4 sets up through Flowery, and it being more light-hearted was done by Tobert to serve as a breather in terms of pacing. Like hotland in Undertale. It'd feel more natural if not for the WAIT.>>4111859This obviously doesn't make sense since chapter 5's conflict only makes sense with what chapter 4 establishes. See: >>4110791
>>4111861>Like half the point of theorizing is seeing how your theories turn out to be wrong.Exactly, or how they're transformed into something even better. I was a bit disappointed the garbage flowers or htdd book weren't in the dark world, but I was really happy with the Cactus' implications and the entirety of the Mantle game. That, and the Knight fight, is still the highlight of the chapter for me. I wasn't expecting the Zelda gameplay either, but it was still cool. For Chapter 4 my long-time prediction that it would be a church dark world and involve Gerson was right, but I never expected we'd have the great atmosphere, the dark fountain dickery with the dark/second/third sanctuary or Gerson mentoring Susie. It's a shame Chapter 5 wasn't as fun in that regard. There was nothing even better waiting for me after my hope that the story would start picking up pace towards the end of the chapter turned out to be wrong, unless Chapter 6 is THAT good, which seems unlikely. I did like Aqua though, I thought it'd be cool if the cyan flower parallel Kris and the patience soul and we got that in an entertaining character. Her and Seth really carried the chapter for me.
>>4111868Toby has been challenging the game being a heroic fantasy since chapter 1.It's not exactly a feat. Ch 4 and 5 being a repeat of 1 and 2 in those aspects is quite boring, actually. You just know will continue to hammer the point in his masterpiece meta ending where he specifically address RPG players like he did in UT.
>>4111871>Toby has been challenging the game being a heroic fantasy since chapter 1.Not really, and certainly not to the extent that chapter 5 challenges it.>Ch 4 and 5 being a repeatThat isn't what being a repeat means though? You establish an idea and then you add on to it. It's called "writing"' dumbass.
>>4111859doesnt chapter 2 have rudy say that church happens tomorrow (which is why most ch2 era predictions had the church on ch4)? how could they have been switched if having the church day not happen tomorrow on chapter 4 would throw off the way the real church dark world chapter would occur?
Here's how Toby could still win me:-Make side B actually be a B side, as in you rewind the tape and get to play as the knight, with Kris and Noelle-Make aborted twisted route real. Obviously Kris would not be on board and that's what makes Gaster intervene and that's when he gives us back the Vessel.
>>4111872It's bad writing. Writing is sticking to a theme. Toby constantly switches sides between "I like RPGs" and "I hate RPGs". It's like when the president you elected specifically to stop immigration allows ten times more immigrants than the previous one.
>>4111874>kriselle knightand into the trash it goes!
>>4111877I wish I could trash my deltarune copy and burn it but sadly I got it in digital
>>4111874crazy how undertale was a game that could stand on its own even without genocide to account for it even through that run did reel a lot of fans in, and now deltarune is gonna be hard carried by the weird route/aborted weird route being potentially a better written alternative ending than the pacifist route or else its gonna flop otherwise
>>4111877didnt they mean "with the knight, kris and noelle as the main party"?
>>4111879yeah that's sad. A big difference in UT is we had agency, by opposition to DR which is just Susie's adventure which you watch. Which is why complaining about Toby taking the meta too far with the protagonist struggle and the NTR/cucking is perfectly valid and you should not let anybody tell you otherwise
>>4111880"dood we'll get to play as amalgam knight made out of no Ls and krispy kreme and this will let us TIME TRAVEL!" is the literal only talking point that kriselle knighters have. its same to assume that "the knight, with Kris and Noelle" means "the knight, an amalgam of kris and noelle"that aside. what, exactly, is added to the game if the knight just joins in the party randomly on 7B.
>>4111882Erm... I get to trivialize all the fights by SWOONing my enemies so I can then get Noelle to Snowgrave them while they're incapacitated and helpless? Duh. That's what peak power fantasy is, having battles that don't actually matter despite all the clear effort being put into coding them.
>>4111874Kill all Kriselle Knighters.
>>4111880No I meant Kris and Noelle become the knight, probably just Noelle who will be the one who you hear her thoughts, and she will be like "I have to repair the wrong that we did with Kris, here's a dark world let's try to find Dess" or something and it will somehow explain That Day, Chapter 3, 4 and 5 Knight encounters. It's just standard Time Travel story stuff.
You know, i might dislike Kriselle date 7B believers but at least they're better than Kriselleknighters.
>>4111881uhh okay? suselle contributes to the writing issues but i wouldnt say its the single defining factor on why deltarune's normal route feels like its decaying.to be honest, i find the idea of the one choice you're allowed to make to actually be more popular than the main path quite funny, in any other choice-based game, a route with some new content at some points that requires you to do hyperspecific evil shit to get it with most of it being stuff you could see in any other path, would probably be the most unpopular route in said respective games, but here it's the most popular thing because otherwise you're stuck with the normal route having low hopes of ending in a satisfactory way
>>4111887I'm talking about Toby subverting the expectation of a silent protagonist in general, not just Suselle. To be fair geno was also the most popular route of Undertale.
>>4111888Not quite, it was the Sans Fight alone that was the most popular part of Undertale. The rest of genocide was "whatever" to fandom, and basically the entire game only existed as background context as to why Sans is having an epic anime fight with Chara for the fate of existence.
>>4111883That would be for Twisted Route (in my ideal DR).Side B would be about Noelle explaining the RP that she did with Kris and how the enemies came to life, not necessarily killing them.Obviously this goes against the enemy counter of the 7B website so this is pretty unlikely.
>>4111882the knight has a huge power gap between the kriselle duo and themselves, so if there's any hard fights intentionally meant to be fought with chapter 7 stats (from an in-universe perspective), then the knight is gonna be like the tanky member who is stronger than everybody else but all attacks are targetted towards them first so git gud or both the knight and you get wrecked, this makes sense if you consider that the titan spawn and titan have a gorillion health (ergo, takes a billion years to beat without the black shard), meaning that the chapter 7b enemies might be overturned in a way where the knight's actions are the most defining factor in the battles ahead (aside from iceshock/snowgrave to keep pumping power coke into noelle)
>>4111888tbf, the sans battle was the most popular thing in the game
Reminder that Chrono Trigger has time travel, your team facing a future party member a bit before midgame, and your protag dying a bit before end game and being replaced by a body double
GreenRAM. ERAM is actually Green. (and blue.) It's canon.
>>4111893But the future refused (to change).
>>4111886This will be shown in museums in 2067
>>4111846Assblasted theoryfags got real loud after this dropped
>>4111846This also happened with 1-to-2. Everyone was anally devastated that Kris did not, in fact, get possessed by Evil Genocide Chara to commit Hometown Massacre, and were it not for Weird Route, Spamton being the most based character in the entire game, and Queen being the most quotable meme machine, people would've been brutal about their Deltarune beliefs.
>>4111855The funny part is both series were started by white people so you basically pulled out your rent free racism card for nothing
>>4111898Nice job samefagging your post, retard
>>4111900There's nothing racist about a work camp?? What do you think prisons used to be?
>>4111901That's not me though.
>>4111895Name ONE counterargument to this. You can't. It's simply not possible.
>>4111904did you forget to Inspect Element?
>>4111906wut
>>4111893something interesting about chrono trigger is the fact that, despite it being a time travel game, you don't actively and intentionally start changing the future in a bigger scale until AFTER the silent main protagonist has died (all the stuff you accomplish before that was either irrelevant to defeating lavos or preventing the present/future from going to shit by keeping the past events intact, such as undoing the ice girl going to the past and accidentally making herself unborn because her great grandmother was meant to be rescued or preventing the distant past from ending with the humans going extinct or some shit), because the effects of the protagonist's death ended up changing the timeline into one where the black omen and the freshly introduced main antagonist has survived and managed to keep the world under their thumbs by ominously floating with a giant scifi fuck machine that actually outlasts the entire world after the world's destruction (if you check the distant future), from there you actually start changing the future by doing shit like choosing to recruit or kill a potential party member because of their past with another character from your party, and can take down some evil monster organizations and even choosing to revive the protagonist or not, etc., while the only real choice you could make pre-protagonist death was to kill lavos early (which is def unintended considering you'd be underleveled and the killing lavos shit is meant to be ng+ shit)i think there's a comparison to be made with deltarune here, just like kris, the protagonist crono essentially feels like the cage in that your choices dont start mattering until wayy later when your protagonist has croaked, you cant even switch the protagonist out of the party (even when you have more than 3 members on the party)
>>4111910until AFTER he's died, and once you choose to revive him back, its up to you if you want him on your party again or not, he functions like an average jrpg with no real choices silent protagonist, but once that's gone, the world's your fuckin oyster now, imagine if something got rid of kris in deltarune and suddenly our choices matter a lot more? itd explain all the kris hand foreshadowing shit at the very least, plus, it makes sense in here since leaving kris means you're not bound to following the knight's plan anymore
>>4111910Do you think aborted route can matter within this framework? Like let's say, if we wait til Kris's death at the end of ch 6 and make the TwistedSwd with the vessel? Do you think we may be able to use the shelter codes early, as in ch 6 beginning?
>>4111905I'm taking the lack of replies as acknowledgment of the undeniable TRUTH that is GreenRAM theory. Anyways what i was getting at here is did you notice that Jevil has many similarities to ERAM?>Follows a green and blue colour scheme, unlike every other secret boss besides ERAM>Is a devilish figure, like a demon.>You need 3 keys to open his cage>The inside of his cage resembles the DEPTHS>Jevil was FRIENDs with a cat>Jevil has a Devil's Tail, almost like a Tail of Hell?Hmmmmmmm... Yes hmmmmmmm indeed...
>>4111910This too is Hometown Massacre 7B medias.
>>4111891thats retarded and ignores the fact that noelle is already our solution to overtuned enemies.i had this whole thing typed up but you dont deserve it for your retarded takes.
>>4111915I still don't understand why Toby had a crash out over the Freedom / Gaster motif he foreshadowed himself
WITH OUR POWERS COMBINEDOMEGA ASGORE
>>4111920OMEGA KEKOLD
>>4111915Just one more thing i'd forgot to mention is that the tail of hell, and ERAM are associated with CHAOS.Anyways-- a thread ago i noticed ERAM was connected to Queen from the arcade machine and Queen's beta design which heavily resembles _hands... And Jevil talks about queen...>BUT THERE ARE YET FASTER, YET STRONGER.>THE HAND OF THE KNIGHT IS DRIFTING FORWARD.>SOON, THE "QUEEN" RETURNS, AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS...>LIGHTNERS, CAN YOU STOP IT?This is an awfully ominous line for such an unserious character, plus the "Queen" in quotation marks as if they aren't "Really" the "Queen".... And the seemingly random mention of the DEPTHS... What if ERAM is a sort of queen??? Like, a queen in the way that Ralsei is a prince?? ERAM and Ralsei are related??? I mean they do have many similarities, so? like??? Hm.
>>4111901Damn you must have felt really called out to resort to this
Post yfw Aborted Weird Route just puts you back into Normal Route starting at the point where you aborted Weird
>>4111382>the game forces you to either sacrifice susie or berdly to reach your desired endingWould that be kino?Tbfh I think everyone with a good moral compass is going to snowgrave Susie
>>4111928I won't because I never took offense to her since she's a genuinely caring person.
7B releasing on Halloween 2028 because Hometown Massacre is just one big Michael Myers reference.
>>4111924It was a retarded post OP thought there was a wait between Chapter 3 and Chapter 4
>>4111926What about the extra scenes in 5 aborted?
>>4111446Okay, so what's the solution, genius?
>>4111454The IMPORTANCE LIST already shows that Berdly was more relevant than Gerson, too.
>>4111519But she doesn't have a dick for Toriel to jerk off?
>>4111939Waiting for the rest of the game and gloating if you were one of the ones whose guesses were correct
>>4111940>Surname:>Name:>Friends:
>>4111938Obviously there will be short transitionary scenes but ultimately it just puts you back on NR
>>4111946Can we start a petition so we get back our 25$?
>>4111937Amazing media lit- sorry, amazing REGULAR literacy.>>4111945>Surname:It's ma'amname now.
>>4111690He hated Chara lewds so he would've hated anything sexual about her.
>>4111809Kris is canonically the 4th combined with 3 based on the weird route.
>>4111947No because I'm satisfied with my Side B.
>>4111948Feel free to reread the post yourself tardbro
>>4111952Were you at the time of 2B too or is it a change of mind when it was revealed in 5B that it was Kris that was the raped?
>>4111874Neither is happening lol.
>>4111954I've always been satisfied with how Side B developed.
>>4111947Yes, you can start a petition. No, it will not end with you getting your money back.
>>4111953>Feel free to reread the postBack at you.>If chapters 3 and 4 released seperately you'd probably see something like this:>IfSee that word? You might have missed it.
>>4111958It's retarded to use hypotheticals. You don't have all the elements to know whether that's how fans would react. Half the point of theorizing is seeing how your theories turn out to be wrong.
>>4111926This is what's going to happen. Anyone who thinks there's going to be a completely new route because they aborted in 5 is insane, there will be some minor changes, just like there's some minor changes every time you abort a weird route at any point, but that's it. Noelle will not be acting strange, the failsafe mechanism has made sure Noelle will act like a Noelle in chapter 6.
>>4111858>and just replay Chapter 4You do it faggot and see that you're mistaking 10 minutes worth of "serious moments" for the entire chapter.
>>4111962But the aborted sound effect.......
>>4111846Thanks for shoving words into my mouth. I was totally angry about the lack of hometown massacre and not that the game is actively being neutered by its own pacing. I was complaining about the fact that DR mixes serious and shitpost chapters and that way no serious chapter can have any real consequences for the following chapter since shitpost chapters can't resolve anything regarding the serious ones without becoming serious themselves. I love Ch2 humour, but the mood the game sets afterwards is all over the place.And then I just gave an example how ch5 could've been slotted in 4's place, following the jokefest Ch3 since both chapters are jokey but ch5 is somewhat more serious and flowery would've been directly accusing Kris of collaborating with the knight instead of there being a chapter in between those events. Then, you have a hole in the place of ch5 which could've been replaced with something semi serious with a piece of code and ch6 could've been ch4 with a more important titan fight. Imagine that you are trying to retrieve the last bunker code piece in the church and then you are ambushed by the titan. Not only that, but the titan would've set a dramatic tone for ch7 and the single big reveal would be a fitting reward for defeating a Titan and the fight would've been memorable. Instead, any aftermath of the ch4 we got had to be castrated so that ch5 could have an anime character that acts as a meme generator. Instead of slow buildup from 3-6, you have: joke, serious, joke, serious ch with RK being irrelevant because it appears in joke chapters and the titan being irrelevant because it otherwise wouldn't allow the next chapter to be a joke one. Both villains from the prophecy wasted their first appearance on nothingburgers this way!Imagine, if you will, with the way I reshuffled the chapters, 1-3 being funny, 4-5 half serious and half jokey and 6-7 serious. This way both RK and the titan have impactful appearances that affect the story.
>>4111749>nobody seems to give a shit about undyne going missingwhy do you keep repeating this lie?
>>4111964You are right. I actually think Gerson the undead saving the day in the Titan fight was trash. Maybe this game is just all comedy after all. Maybe we were not the intended audience since we're past the age of 12 and past the age of being groomed into changing sex.
>>4111846It gets repeated a lot, but it's true.
>>4111960Complete non sequitur of a statement. Do you even speak english???
People keep saying Toby switched Chapter 4 and 5 but why would he do that? Because he hates you?
>>4111980>Uhhh... Well you see, the Titan had more AURA than Flowery.... and it was more DARK and GRITTY! So it HAS to come after! Ignore that literally nothing in chapter 5 works without the context of chapter 4.
>>4111980Because 5 sucked tonally it didn't follow from 4 and broke the linear structure there was going from 1,2,3 and 4. Even >>4111846 understood this.
>>4111980The only reason people say this is because chapter 5 does not follow the heightened tensioned and stakes of 4. This is actually not strange, it's the calm before the storm, the stakes have never been higher but there is a period of relative peace so that the actual impact that comes later is more impactful than it striking right away after we've just been through 5. The problem here is that Deltarune's development has taken a long time and the patience of some people has run out, which is why you get people complaining about 5 not having the impact and payoff that 4 built up.
>>4111985>it striking right away after we've just been through 5*been through 4
>linear structure So patternfagging?
>>4111980Schizophrenia but Alphys does say in Undertale that Mew Mew's Chapter 4 is the one where they go to the beach to eat ice cream.
>>4111983Ah yes, the well-famed context of chapter 4, such as the prophecy that's based on the person making the fountain who is... who knows, the confirmation of piles of asriel dust theory, the existence of random statues of lightners which could have ohko'd the heroes if Raly didn't intervene, the cryptic "the angel", "roots" and "jokington grows the beard" meme panels and the oh-so-famous last prophecy panel which is about... who knows
>>4111988Source? No way DR's plot was spoiled in Mew Mew reviews all along
>>4111989>Actually everything in chapter 4 was just vague theorybait nothing happened and it has no implications to the storyAre you even paying the SLIGHTEST amount of attention to what happens in the game???
Hume DESTROYS patternfagging
>>4111987is that the new trendy word among slop defenders?
>>4111989>love finds its way to the girl>the flower man trapped in the asylum>a vast garden charred in an inferno of jealousy funny how you ignored the parts of the chapter that are very specifically and unambiguously about 5, that wasn't on purpose was it?
>>4111992Who and why?
>>4111995Last one didn't happen at all
>>4111988>>4111990Yeah I should have known you were bullshitting me. But Alphys was right in the end, Mew Mew 2 IS worse than Mew Mew 1.
>>4111997It did, just look at these threads.
>>4111964I have. I replayed Chapter 4 just before 5 released and while there are lots of light-hearted moments (not what I take issue with, a bit of levity is fine), the chapter in general has a more serious tone since it's dealing with the prophecy. When there isn't some important conflict currently happening in the forefront of the story, like Susie's healing hangup, trying to stop the Knight and failing, Gerson turning out to be dead, Gerson revived again turning out to be a mindless zombie, the Titan, the final prophecy, etc. in the background there's the constant of learning more about the legend your characters have been following and how they react to that. It's kind of hard to make a chapter where you get more context for one of the main plots NOT serious
>>4111990>>4111998It's in Undertale, not Deltarune.
>>4112009>but it's snail flavor and she's the only one who wants it>a broken conch (sea snail), surrounded by washed up glass>not a person seemed to want itI underestimated Pink... Mew Mew is the KEY to Deltarune.
>>4112009Wait there's a Mew Mew game?And Mew Mew is Susie from DR Chapter 5?How far does this rabbit hole go?
>>4111780>>4111799>>4111846>FUCKING TRAITORYou really love to point that out all the time, huh?
and to think some of you wanna fuck this rag
>>4112033Well, ERAM is obviously little Kris so I kinda get it.
>>4112033YEAH NIGGA.
>>4112033It's cute, but I actually want it to fuck KrisAlso another great Eram design. I really wonder how all these fan designs are gonna compare to the real deal. I have faith in Dess' canon look being good, but it's gonna look weird seeing the "real" Eram who only has the fangs and color scheme in common with the mantle design (and hopefully the horns). I don't even wanna think about how Gaster might look like, if his canon design is ever revealed.
>>4112028yeah it's a meme
>>4112040>really wonder how all these fan designs are gonna compare to the real deal.I find them hilarious to be honest. ERAM is totally going to be a parallel to Flowey, meaning it is going to look cute and even kinda silly, but will be completely rotten and evil to the core. Maybe ERAM will end up looking like some Pac-Man ghost with horns.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbiX4xNoBY
>>4112041this is the original I think
>>4112044>dude i was barely even a low level pawn, fuckers didnt trust me for shit. >my only purpose was having enough determination as a human to make consecutive fountains.>if you did that susie you'd be a pile of goo on the carpet.
IMO Kris seems very "male coded" to me. The way Susie and Noelle talk about them during the chapter 4 closet scene, the way their childhood friendship with Noelle is written, and some other stuff I forgot seem to fall into "boy and girl" interdynamic tropes more than girl and girl. As in the way Susie and Noelle talk about Kris specifically has the feeling of distance you wouldn't see with girls gossiping about other girls in particular. Even the twitter people recognize this when they talk about the weird route being heteronormativity lesbian erasure. Not that Kris would ever canonically be either because tobys fandom would skin him alive him for non-binary erasure. But on the other, hand Kris being a depressed tomboy would be so kino that I'd instantly forgive Toby for not letting us beat the shit out of Susie in chapter 5
>>4112048goosie...
>>4112051Heteronormative is mostly a meme pushed by susellefaggots assblasted that the weird route is popular
>>4112040Gaster's canon design is mystery man which is why it was the only fun event in the stream.
>>4112051For me it was Kris's interaction with Berdly in the first 5 minutes of Chapter 1. The way Berdly mocks Kris and stops Noelle from joining Kris into their project group gave me vibes of jealousy between two boys fighting over a girl.Still, with every chapter, I'm slowly beginning to see the possibility of Kris being female becoming a reality.
>>4112051Interesting, I can't help but see Kris as a girl instead. I thought they were a tomboy like Susie back when I played survey program and nothing in-game has really shook my beliefs, now I just think they're a girl who probably identifies as nb. I use the neutral pronouns and all but I treat them like I would treat a female protagonist, for example when I first played CH5 I was concerned that Flowery would pull the princess shit on Kris too, but not Ralsei.
While I would love for Kris to be a girl I don't think it will happen, or at least it will never be confirmed. If that happened Deltarune would be remembered forever as a yuri game.
Girls suck at piano, Kris is obviously a male
>>4112033the few ERAM dialogue we have makes it for a really fun character, i love their teasing nature, plus that laugh>There! That's what I wanted to see!>Flickering red, like pretty little flames...>Your eyes can't hide it, Kris. Without play... The knife grows dull.ERAM is not just ''KRIS BE EVIL'' is more ''Kris, wouldn't it be fucking funny if you stabbed your friends LMAO''
>>4112040>>4112043wow, its like you guys don't even read my theories. THIS is their design!!! or atleast a simplified version of their design.
>>4112068No offence but your theory kinda sucks.
>>4112070How.
>>4112068Nah, their design has to incorporate their smile that shows up on the objects they possess.
>>4112040>>4112043>Those designsSOUL...
>>4112071It smells bad
>>4112060Mentally ill coomer
>>4112068Aaah, so that's why the FRIENDlings collects eggs and bites hands to stitch them together?But it lacks the mouth, that's basically the only canon visual evidence we have of ERAM because the mantle is obv not the body
>>4112060He does call Kris princess sometimes, too.
>>4112066Toby is a Danganronpa fan and the Ultimate Pianist in that series is a woman.
>>4112080Mostly when they are with Susie and Ralsei though.
>>4112074But you see... it does.
Is the delusion that nonbinaries exist essential to understand the worlds of Undertale and Deltarune?
If Kris really is a girl then Hometown is basically Tomboy Heaven.
Ralsei without makeup is so fucking ugly he looks like furry James Charles and I don't even hate gay people
>>4112088MY heaven
>>4112082When is Kris taking a hit for the team?
>>4112084Don't believe me? Compare this reading of the sprite with Beta Queen's design (Queen of course. has a connection to ERAM. Just see >>4112074 and >>4111923. Since beta queen was supposed to be much more threatening it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say these connections would be more heavy-handed early on.)>green and blue (purple? close enough.) colour scheme>two pointed fangs with a smile>only one eye is visible, with said eye being closed.>purple body, with "appendages" pointing outwards>which, from this has a sort of medusa-like look to it... which would be serpentine in nature.... just like ERAM. and mr. blue and green snake. who is ERAM.
>>4112077I'll have you know nary a single sexual thought crossed my mind whilst I was in the process of analyzing the ribbons and what they represent for the main characters, including Kris. My mental illness is all-naturale, unspurred by porn.
>>4112093also forgot to point it out but it the eyelashes are made to look almost like a crying eye.... like the crying gash that spr_hands has.......................... and also gaster.
>>4112087Just SKIP those worries like toby
Gross.
>>4112089How dare you, this the peak femboy iconProbably the symbol of a generation of transitioning zoomer males
>>4112093To be honest, I don't believe your theory because I think Eram is the horned headband and I can see how a fanged creature with a black and orange Halloweeny color scheme might come out of that, but not the green and purple hand snake. The connection to Queen is only through the arcade game because Eram has special powers over games in general, not because of something special with Queen
>>4112097Wait where's that from? Lmao
>>4112097I can't believe there used to be a time where game journos did their work properly, even disclosing the questions the game dev skipped
>>4111846>Don't ask questions!>Don't have expectations for the bare minimum!>Just play the new chapter!>Just buy more merch!>And get excited for the next chapter!I'm glad that TADC proved me that retards like will you get steamrolled once this shit wraps up.
>>4112108Mike BROKE you.
>>4112100>To be honest, I don't believe your theory because I think Eram is the horned headbandEvery theory on ERAM's nature runs into the roadblock of the Z rank room posters implying a connection between Spamton's benefactor and spr_hands. Theres really no other explanation for that besides saying the furniture in Susie's room have no connection to the monster shown in Ralsei's explanation. But this is provably false, since FRIEND has an explicit connection to the object they transform from.>(Don't let your guard down. That chair is going to kick your ass!) (referring to FRIEND)
>>4112114*has no connection to*monsters
>>4111820trans fatigue will save us alltrans fatigue will let us gotrans fatigue will give us hope
>>4112122Trans movement is far from over sadly...You just know all the AI-using technophile normalfags will jump on the cattle neuronal synthetic implants just like they did with tattoos, piercings and gender surgery
>>4112108Nowhere as hard as the One Ending will break everyone else.
It would be funny if we get Eram merch but their called 'Shadow Mantle' and we've been wrong about their identity the entire time.
>>4112127>What if the game retconned itself for NO REASON
>>4112051You have to keep in mind Toby is a man. He only knows how to write adolescent boys. That's the reason why 90% of his female characters are tomboys. The girliest character he ever wrote (Noelle) is also a tomboy.
>>4111940*brushes ur theory away with my giant $$@ tailoh nooooooooimportancebros.............!!!
>>4111820And? Am I supposed to be upset by this? I like Deltarune. Obviously the majority of games riffing on it will be dogshit because the majority of people won't understand it, but that's true of Undertale too.
>>4112089Real talk: what would the story lose by making Ralsei a woman?
>>4112129>It was he, the clown, that told me of the Knight's brilliance...
>>4112133>Am I supposed to be upset by thisYes. Every penny that goes into this game is a penny that finances their cultural war against us.
>>4112135Nobody ever said King had actually met the Knight. Not even King.>but it was IMPLIEDThe facts seeming to imply something at first that winds up untrue on close inspection is not a fucking retcon.
>>4112103To be fair Toby didn't want that and didn't expect the journalist would've listed all the questions he skipped.
>>4112135That's not a retcon that's just new information. ERAM is explicitly said to be the Shadow Mantle HOLDER.
>>4112133>Sturgeon's lawWOW such a revelation you just had!And unless you happen to like his, yeah you should be upset because the faggy cartoons completely displaced other kinds of cartoons and UTDR has been doing the same for independent RPGs.
>no you see the story was only IMPLIED to be interesting. In reality it was always boring!
>>4112052Goosic…
>>4112089i think he still has the make up onfake darkner
>>4112142>the story is boring because two bit chapter antagonist #1 didn't directly meet enemy attack dog #1Explain.
What if ERAM is literally what we saw, some big boss from a video game Kris and Noelle used to play as kids? I mean, Spamton is just spam
>>4112137>>4112139>What? You trusted the things Sans directly and indirectly revealed to you? The guy known to be a 4th wall prankster? You really thought that machine, the timeline stuff and everything else meant anything besides being a prank on the fandom?>LMAO
>>4112129One of the Devs has refer them as the Shadow Mantle. https://bsky.app/profile/jeancanellas.bsky.social/post/3magohfp7oc2j
>>4112089Al I the only one who initially thought the reveal at the end of chapter 1 was Asriel revealing himself to be a girl? In some ways it still feels that way.
>>4112140What am I supposed to think will happen to every indie RPG because of Deltarune that's so bad?
>>4112147Now you're just going schizophrenic.
>>4112147>literally any impression I form of the game and what it's telling me is on the level of sans's machine
>>4112149Treesicle thought the same thing
>>4112148The game says:>and the SHADOW MANTLE that I'm holding!This is when you fight ERAM, implying it's not the literal Shadow Mantle given life.
>>4112132It can be both.
>>4112138Yes and that's exactly how the journalist did his work properly.
>>4112142>no you see, everyone is constantly lying or being misleading about everything constantly all the time!>not a single line if text should be trusted or tried to be interpreted because the story will just asspull something out of nowhere and that will be the new canon until that also gets ignored!>predictability is bad in stories! good stories are aimless bumpy rides that are focused on constantly surprising and shocking you rather than having any consistency or satisfying payoffs!>and irony is also bad! that's why we'll go out of our way to create a spectacle out of making fun of people who were expecting something else!
>>4112129>Meanwhile in the Führersjelter>"Mein Führer... duochapter six-seven... Eram is Mike... and the Mantle itself... and the Friend... and Gaster... and the vessel... and Papyrus.">"Unmöglich. Our expectations have been subverted. Bravo, Tobbias Fuchs. Now I will transition from He-tler into She-tler."
>>4112150quirky earthbound depression x100
>>4112158>my predictions were wrong therefore the story is ignoring all the rules and just making shit up!
>>4112154Why are they shaped like a mantle then?
>>4112159Based ERAM taking all the jobs.
>>4112160So that thing that supposedly every indie game already was by the late 10s?
>>4112152>[insert all chapter 1 lines from Seam]
>>4112162Because they're wearing it?
>>4112161What rules does Deltarune follow? it's definitely not the rules for mystery writing.
>>4112164Yeah and UT was responsible for that, and DR will push forward for even longer.
>>4112156that's true...................... if your a loserr!!!!!!!!!!honestly tho i hope its related to importance purely on berdly plot relevance hopium
I approve of the tradional jrpg genocide.
>>4112167homestuck rules
>>4112150Consider this, what if Deltarune goes for a TADC ending and it has a reverse effect? Now every woke and semi-woke indie dev is scared their game gets to be seen as the next Deltarune, and they start going back to basic gameplay formulas and ditching the meta shit?
>>4112161>most of toriel's isn't featured at all in tv world>a single manga that was called a comic book at first is the sole reason asgore's shop is weeblandwell yeah
>>4112148The wording is too vague to conclude anything. That could just as easily mean "the battle for the shadowmantle."
>>4112165Yeah, he told you the lore of the dark world, that was on the level of sweet cap n' cakes talking about being freedom fighters.>>4112167There aren't hard rules to writing, that's the joke, the idea that there's some external prescriptive rule set to follow that Deltarune is in violation of is wrong.
>>4112171>hussiefication is realgood grief
>>4112172>Top ten things that will never happen
>>4112171>>4112176nobody who has read homestuck actually believe this btw
I fucking hate Gaster. All he does is cheapen the story by turning it into a meta "game within a game" shit. "It was all a simulation" is bad writing.
>>4112178Please let a man dream. If leftists make their dreams happen why can't we...
>>4112168Yeah, the problem is that "quirky indie RPGs about depression" were actually not all that common. Like at any point. So the threat of that stuff making a "resurgence" is kind of nonsensical.>>4112172How many indie games are trying meta elements even a tenth like Deltarune's? Unironically, I'd love to know.
>>4112175SCC are the main reason we can defeat mecha queen, in fact she is the closest on the entire game into actually killing everyone so far>There aren't hard rules to writing lmao and this is why modern entertainment and media criticism is so shitthe wheel was figured out a long time ago, there isn't much new under the sun now
>>4112181I'm a leftist and if you want your dream to come true make your own Deltarune.
>>4112173I want you to clarify what rules you believe the story broke with these two points.
Hi, we're the Little Kris parallelisms! Feed us!
>>4112182there are way more than you think, and the real matter is, the ones who aren't like that normally don't get a fraction of the attention or appraisal the pretentious shit gets
>>4112183scc are the reason why giga queen exists in the first place
>>4112182>How many indie games are trying meta elements even a tenth like Deltarune's?A bunch. One Shot is one of the most popular ones.
>>4112184Challenge accepted. I'll make my own game someday. It won't be like DR though.
>>4112185>when the dark fountain is opened, everything in a location turns into an illusion of itself >except the times most shit is completely ignored or a few things are unreasonably overrepresented within the dark world
>>4112169All the characters below Berdly are mega irrelevant so I don't think it would imply much for him sadly. Also Jockington and Catti are mixed together with the returning Undertale characters so I don't think your logic was right, if it was they would've been next to Berdly and Rudy.
>>4112183SCC were also inanimate until the beginning of the day, anon. Anything they talk about in the past should be taken with a grain of salt. Seeing that Seam was a doll when the lights came on should've made you question the history he talked about, or at least be prepared to heavily reinterpret it through the lens of them being inanimate objects that didn't really "do" anything until just recently.>modern entertainment is shit because people don't respect da RULESNo, lmao.
>>4112190>someday.Not someday, start now. There's nothing stopping you.
Innocent dino girl in a town of rape fetish people.
>>4112194The darkners are fiction inspired by the real things that happened to those objects. Seam's dialogue should have meant that the Knight shoved the other kings into a drawer and whispered some things to the king of spades card.>No, lmao.Zero arguments. Hope you keep making more movies Ryan Johnson.
ERAM and FRIENDlings will do nothing too evil only because the fandom is TOO SCARED of things getting serious
>>4112192We saw excluded and nebulously represented objects in chapter 1 with the drawing of Gerson, and chapter 2 used Spamton to show just how liquid the rules are. Why are the spam emails physically printed if not to be the source of Spamton as a Darkner? How does he get "in" the computer that bluescreens when you beat NEO? What the fuck is an Addison, physically, and how did Kris bring them to Castle Town?
>>4112199I agree with them
>>4112195I have a career I'm not a liberal arts major.But if I have the time maybe I'll draft something and publish it on pastebin.
>>4112187You haven't named any.>>4112189I already knew of it, but I thought it predated Undertale. And also I wouldn't say its meta is very close to Deltarune's.
>>4112198So... King didn't actually "meet" the Knight either way, once you account for the actual rules of the dark world. Thank you. That's all I was trying to prove.
>>4112199Fundamentally I feel like he agrees with us, even though we are here for the edge while he's here for the lesbian porn. The game is too grandiose for its own good, and the vagueposting plus lack of foreshadowing when it matters is a problem.
>>4112200Anon, try actually paying attention to the game. Almost all ch2 darkners are computer programs within the computer lab as you can read in the light world flavor text. That trashcan might as well just be Trashy.And the Gerson drawing was the single thing that didn't get represented there, which at the time fueled Gerson and Alvin knight theories and now is actually easily explained by the creator of that fountain just not having a personal connection to him.That's not applicable at all to How to Draw Dragons or all the other things ignored in 3.
>>4112204The flowers have "meet" Asgore for literal decades just by being around them, same for Tenna, no justification for why King wouldn't sense the Knight by being picked up by it.
>>4112203/v/ has named them for years, no need to repeat that
>>4112208The flowers have to introduce themselves to Asgore still. They act like they know him and he plays along, but you can SEE that it's just him playing along, that's what his presence in the first part of chapter 5 is. Both sides are aware they've never really met.King having some loose idea of what the Knight wants without having "met" the Knight is perfectly consistent.
>>4112206>and now is actually easily explained by the creator of that fountain just not having a personal connection to him.The person that made the Chapter 4 fountain doesn't have a personal connection to Gerson?
>>4112199>hey I just wanted Toriel and Undyne to be silly in TV world like Berdly was>HAHA WHAT A FAG, YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS UNDERTALE 2?>hey I wanted 5 to keep the tone and stakes escalation from 4>HAHA WHAT A FAG, YOU THOUGHT A TOBY GAME WOULD EVER NOT BE SILLY?make up your mind
Sadly I think deltarune might just be a shit game and a lot of this discourse is us just coping about it, there's really not much left when you take away the mystery and actually look at the game itself.
>>4112213>You're filled with the power of not actually reading the text.
>>4112215Who could have guessed you'd get a broken fanbase by making your game series not once stick to a coherent style and direction?It sure worked out for Sonic!
>>4112193undertale characters that were exclusively shopkeepers and had no overworld sprites. it's new OC.
>>4112214You know theres more than one person on twitter right.
>>4112216I know you are, but what am I?If you can't disprove the murals in Gerson's fight representing a pattern for the dark worlds, the Ch4 fountain opener is the same as Ch1, and we know that person has a connection to Gerson. This means either I'm wrong about the murals or there's something else that prevented the drawing from taking on form in the dark world
>>4112215Then why are you posting in this thread?
>>4112206Anon, I played the game. I'm asking the questions I am for a reason.Spamton WAS an Addison. Spamton IS spam. But the Addisons are ads, and ads aren't spam. Most spam is advertising but advertising is absolutely not all spam, and different forms of advertisement usually make different species of Darkners, or poppups wouldn't exist. How does one become the other?>That's not applicable at all to How to Draw Dragons or all the other things ignored in 3.The idea that a space we saw first as the light world "ignored" some of its contents as a dark world is assuming the intent of a dark world is to give you insight into the environment it's made in. I want to know more about the Dreemurrs too, but the theme of TV world overrode a lot of the house's contents.
>>4112221that was about /v/ and this refugee camp, not xitter
>>4112197
>>4112210I never actually saw /v/ name them either, I asked a few times when I saw people memeing about the indie RPGs about depression and never got more than the same couple answers.
>>4112134because trans allegory slop is the most surface value take of any story arc involving an identity crisis. it's boring as fuck, overdone and has next to nothing to do with the game's plot (outside a cutscene you need to perfect a minigame to see, that can be disregarded by having interacted with star walker).ralsei is the perfect vessel to explore dark world mechanics with since he's been feeding us information the whole game, alongside fighting with us. reducing his character growth to "ouugh kris, the gender roles..." would be an absolute fucking crime for multiple reasons.
>>4112228You know theres more than one person in this thread right.
>>4112230Holy based
>>4112233thanks anon, i wasnt aware
>>4112236The post there seemed to work under the assumption that you were arguing with one guy who had two contradicting opinions, and not two guys with contradicting opinions.
>>4112222>representing a patternHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAand NOW you're patterfagging?Let me remind you how Gerson's story was generally correct about all past chapters EXCEPT the upcoming one, the garden was never charred.>>4112227>the theme of TV world overrode a lot of the house's contents.Anon there was barely any TV theming there either.99 percent of that piece of shit of a chapter was laser focused into that single flavor text you get from checking under Asriel's bed.
>>4112230Retard that Kris is a GIRL.
>>4112232I'm not talking about trans shit. I mean what if Ralsei was explicitly a girl from the start. Girl princes are not a new concept in anime.
>>4112237im not any of those anons, anon
>>4112239Nope. I decide what gender Kris is in the pics I'm editing.
>>4112233Yeah and the most ardent 5 defenders just happen to sound a lot like the most ardent 3/4 defenders.
>>4112240>from the startah, sorry i misread your post then. I don't really have an answer because I don't think about women much at all. they're kind of just like... walking holes, really.
>>4112238It's pretty well explained why TV world is "like that".
>>4112238>99 percent of that piece of shit of a chapter was laser focused into that single flavor text you get from checking under Asriel's bed.I didn't see any cowboy hat or frying pan under Asriel's bed.>noooo we should've had a whole segment in the backstage of each show!Sorry but Tenna is more focused on the parts the family actually experienced and not on the whole business part of showbusiness.Also Gerson didn't give anyone a "terrible weapon" as it was neither particularly powerful nor weak, and the chariots didn't "race" at any point. Gerson's only two for five on his chapter summaries being possible to call 100% accurate.
>>4112215Shit game or not, it has things that makes up for the bad stuff, at this point i'm really looking for 7b more than the funny number 6-7
>>4112231https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/685543856/#685544384https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/676530249/#676534090https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/675869006/#675869234https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/672379335/#672380489https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/664034923/#664095761https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/664034923/#664055036https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/655532350/#655533278https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/653648683/#653669625https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/652766297/#652770649https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/652172496/#652186393https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/650140343/#650144748check it out youself
>>4112242Retard.
>>4112246>hey guys>the epic twist this time is how that cool setup ended up replaced by absolutely nothing!>isn't it funny to do the legendary artifact gag again but for things that actually matter?>wouldn't it be funny if that happened again, several times in this game?>now please, the 10 hour video essays about how genius this game is
>>4112250Omori, Papers Please, Cave Story, AND Deltarune don't belong in a category together. I think this might just be mental illness about indie games as a whole.
Assblasted raped™ schizophrenics LOST.
>>4112251Why are you seething?
>>4112252>GRRRRRRRRRRRR WHY DID TOBY FOX FOCUS ON DEVELOPING KRIS'S HOUSELIFE AND THEIR PAST INSTEAD OF ADDING 400 POINTLESS GLUP SHITTO DARKNERS
>>4112250West of Loathing??
>>4112258we got a bunch of vagueposting that did nothing but confirm what was already guessable by pay attention to Toriel and asgorewe could have learned something about how Kris was adopted or what happened on that horrible day but nope
White Knights with this false sense of security, unaware their asses will be raped into shreds once the game ends and it turns impossible to defend this mess against all the angry fans.
>>4112264>how dare you not join in my shitposting about how literally NONE of the information we've been given is relevant and NOTHING happens
>>4112264What were you saying about the Knight getting their ass raped to shreds by angry fans? I wasn't paying attention.
>>4112262>a bunch of bagueposting that did nothing but confirm what was already guessable by paying attention to Toriel and asgoreToriel and Asgore didn't hint at SHIT regarding TV world.>we could have learned something about how Kris was adoptedIf you could bring up the circumstances behind Kris' adoption by chapter 3 than its purely trivial and serves no reason to be mentioned.>or what happened on that horrible dayPeople didn't even know there was a "THAT DAY" by chapter 2, what the fuck are you talking about? Why would Tenna know about THAT DAY when he's literally just a TV? Why would the main mystery of the game be explained to you before even the first half of the game is finished???
>>4112264>You guys will be REALLY owned in this fictional scenario i came up with in my head!Okay.
>>4112225because>>4112249
There were two reasonable paths to be chosen>dark world of the week format for the whole middle gamenothing would matter but that's ok because it would be just a TV cartoon story>lock into the main plot and drama once the knight shows upnot everyone's pick but at least everyone could say the game stuck to something And then we got a bizarre middle approach that pleased no one. Serious Themes And Such fags got nothing out of 5 and adventure/comedy/pattern fags didn't got much from 5 either after 3 and 4 killed the mood for that.
>>4112269the average fans being happy with the ending is the actual fiction here
>>4112273>adventure/comedy/pattern fags didn't got much from 5 eitheryes we did; you don't speak for us. the flowery vocal stim fuel alone was enough, but chapter 5 also gave us borderline unlimited dialogue and lot of being retarded references to other media and undertale. if you're a goofy meme loving faggot like me chapter 5 was ludokino.
Is Flowery the only character to ever misgender Kris?
average fans tongue my anus
>>4112276Not really. Flowery knows Kris since they were a babu so he must know what Kris really is.
>>4112268>Toriel and Asgore didn't hint at SHIT regarding TV world.Yeah, it's not like we got multiple lines and cutscenes about their marriage going to shit before Tenna started bringing up the divorce constantly. Neither did we have an ominous newspaper at the police station related to the subject.>If you could bring up the circumstances behind Kris' adoption by chapter 3 than its purely trivial and serves no reason to be mentioned.Yes! Yes!!!! The entire actual story should be backloaded into the final sequence while we waste time doing things the game explicitly says they don't matter!>People didn't even know there was a "THAT DAY" by chapter 2, what the fuck are you talking about? You hate theories so many you never noticed how much people guessed with the sweepstakes and 1/2 alone.>Why would Tenna know about THAT DAY when he's literally just a TV? Because darkners know what is going on around them, including the schizo dad rambling about that day for years.And because the house is more than the TV you know. There is also a whole photo book there too.>Why would the main mystery of the game be explained to you before even the first half of the game is finished???Because stories are about fleshing out things, not just the thrill of a cheap twist. This is like saying good horror is about jump scares and not the atmosphere.
>>4112276lancer and jevil include kris in 'boys and girls'
>>4112275holy shit taste
>>4112276Lancer declares his Lancer Cookie and Kris are now "cookie and wife".
>>4112279>The entire actual story should be backloaded into the final sequence while we waste time doing things the game explicitly says they don't matter!Seeing how "the actual story" gets redefined every chapter to be whatever we didn't get, yeah, I think it should
>>4112276Princesses refers to Ralsei and Susie. Flowery never once genders Kris. It's very purposeful.
>>4112283Years ago Toby said he would be satisfied if a single person liked what he had in mind. I'm glad you will be the one to fulfill his dream!
>>4112285It's so cute how you assume anyone who isn't wrapped up in doomposting as you are must be a completely tasteless drone.
>>4112286I only speak the truth.
>>4112287Yes yes, your opinion on how the story should've gone and how shit it is now that it didn't go that way is objective, we know.
>>4112281silence, nigger
>>4112288We are more alike than you think!
Deltarune by Omocat fahahano idea if it's true i just parrot memes
Is this accurate?
Someone explain to me why gender identity is a recurring theme in this game.
>>4112293yeah I think we're turning into utg 2 lmao>>4112295Once upon a time, a Homestuck musician had a description saying "ask me about kissing boys" on an internet forum...
>>4111977The people in this thread are on repeat so that pic is true no matter when you post it
>>4112293>she'll throw bombs at you>while you rape herWhat, is the rapist Goku??? They're activating their Ultra Instict Rape Technique to dodge Pink's attacks and rape them at the same time???
>>4111995There's also a panel about ch2, it's not like 4 has to be placed before 5 just because some vaguepanels reference 5's events. 4's panels were all "some stuff happened and will happen," basically.
>>4112276He uses gendered terms to refer to everyone regardless of gender. It's a running gag.
>>4112295either it involves kris or it's the troon team pulling a shayy
>>4112299That reminds me, people blame Pink's evil side on Maddie but she tries to kill you even when they split so I think Mew Mew and Maddie are both just bad people
>>4112299Yes. You're playing DR so you're getting DR rape gameplay.
>>4112295It isn't, there just happens to be they/them characters.
>>4112220So why are Catti and Jockington next to them?
>>4112306Chapter 5 introduced a new character debating her gender identity. Ralsei has a new plotline questioning his gender identity.
>>4111985I agree and disagree, I thought 5 would be a fine calm before the storm type of chapter but somehow it's done in a way that it's kind of just a calm for the sake of calm that happens to be placed right before the storm, it still feels like it doesn't emotionally address how they'd feel after the events they've gone through since at least the end of 3.
>>4112230There's no schizo that edits Susie out of images btw.
>>4112303Well, she does gives you more kisses if you play meaner mode, the body is violent as fuck
>>4112002>there's the constant of learning more about the legend>you get more context for one of the main plotsFucking kek>something happened (vague)>(vaguely) something...will happenWE LEARNED SO MUCHThe real reason 4 feels more serious besides the few scenes that actually are is because the music and scenery aren't as whimsical, that's about it.
>>4112276He technically says "girls" in plural too in a scene where Aqua, Yellow, Seth and Green are already despite only Aqua being a confirmed girl.
>>4112314Are we sure orange wasn't there? Maybe we just didn't see her.
>>4112033This is literally how digivolutions look, from rookie to mega.
>>4112313I accept your concession, even if it's a bit late.
>>41119855 isn't a calm before the storm, it is a party before the storm were everyone is acting as if the disaster sirens aren't loud as fuck.5 should have been a RELATIVELY calmer chapter after 4, not a complete turn back into the 2 style when it didn't make sense at all.Or even better, 4 shouldn't have been placed in the middle of the story if it wasn't going to be an actual mood shifter.
>>4112293Flowery is inaccurate, he would just give himself 999 rape stat to rape you.
>>4112051>>4112060People see Kris as definitively coded as whatever gender they automatically project onto them and it's proof that nonbinary is an unnatural state of being because everyone only sees Kris as one gender or the other.
>>4112318i suppose ch5 could've been the eye of the storm, but everyone was acting like the storm didn't exist so who knows
>>4112319But then i ignore the stats so I just rape him harder.
>>4112308>Chapter 5 introduced a new character debating her gender identityNote what words are never used in that single scene>Ralsei has a new plotline questioning his gender identity.hallucination
>>4112315There were no walls for her to hide behind in that scene.
>>4112052You wouldn't a Goosie.
>>4112325I was making a joke about her being tiny
>>4112324Anon, Ralsie literally wants to be a princess. Flowery even calls him princess.
>>4112097Let me guess, female interviewer?
>>4112097This is what I'll do once I become a world famous gamedev and get interviews.
>>4112296We just need to be aggressively straight to counter utg faggotry. If we aren't, we'll have to move to /trash/ to discuss Kriselle in peace.
>>4112308That part was made by Toby ghost writer
>>4112329Princess (male)
>>4112335>KriselleThe yuri ship?
Kris can't be female because he never talks about what's bothering him, doesn't need a social life to function, helps people, initiates rather than waits, and will successfully kill himself rather than just say he's considering it.
>>4112335Moving won't save you.
>>4112340Kill yourself obnoxious yurifag.
All I'm saying is that having all these recurring themes of gender identity and not having it play any kind of role in the story would be pretty odd. Surely it's being done for a reason, right?
>>4112347A character having a certain gender identity is not the same as a story being about gender identity. It looks odd to you because you are stupid. It's like claiming a story is about gun violence because one of the characters has a gun.
I actually thought yellow was hilarious, and im surprised I liked the character as much as I did I thought he'd be annoying
>>4112346You first self inserter.
>>4112353>self inserter.I'm not a self-inserter. It's just that Kris is written as a boy and acts like a boy.
>>4112329ralsei is open to try being a princess, because he hasn't done it beforethere is zero indication he wants to chop his dick off
I don't know why you guys keep up this illusion, Toby isn't going to be ragebaited into putting a low-res depiction of Kris' pixelated vagina in the game just because one part of the internet likes to pretend she's a boy.
>>4112362no, but ANONRUNE will
>>4112362It's my dream he does and nothing is stronger than an anon's dream!
>>4112341This is unironically why tranny Noelle is such a popular theory.
>>4112388That's just because she's written by a man.
>>4112388i thought it was because retards didn't know that female reindeer also have antlers unlike the other cervids where only males have them
>>4112357Only a self-inserter would get this mad over some possible yuri. You either self-insert as Kris OR wish to be Noelle to fuck Kris's penis.
>>4112392Noelle is a tomboy who takes the proactive role in a romantic relationship. She's also extremely horny, meaning she has high-T.
>>4112395that's not why and you know it
>>4112397All I'm saying is that Noelle has masculine qualities that could explain such an interpretation.
>>4112400everyone has masculine and feminine qualities guys obsessed with looking like gigachads are more feminine that guys who don't give a shit about how they're perceived, for example
>>4112393Or maybe I just don't like yuri and yurifags. This game is already gay enough, and you faggots want it to be even gayer. You're also obnoxious and can't shut up.
>>4112335To be fair if you want a HMOFA circlejerk the trash generals are indeed better for it.
>>4112401I'm one of those. I've been exercising 5 days a week for like 10 years, take care of my skin, and like flowers, perfume, and cute stuff, but no homo.
All these pointless ship wars when the game is gonna end like this.
>>4112408Actually everyone should be dead because the Vessel killed them all.
>>4112408>Susie is deadThat's a good ending.
>>4112408>this is just side B but with noelle dead instead of susie
>>4112413If it was Side B there would be no one left to mourn Kris or Susie.
>>4112408The most unrealistic part of that pic is Noelle still being alive. I don't know if she loves Susie that much, but Kris dying would make her kill herself for sure.
>>4112362He isn't going to put Kris’s dick in the game, either.
>>4112408I miss soseji
>>4112422Me too. I'm happy the twitter archive an anon posted here exists
>>4112421So says the unbeliever
>>4112408let me guess, japanese artist?
>>4112432Korean, actually
>>4112432>>4112433dead artist, actually
>>4112433still damn good art>>4112434dead as in dead dead or dead account?
>>4112435Dead account as far as we know, she just deleted all her socials one day
We keep going through the stages of grief on repeat when it comes to theories.Right now we're in the anger stage where everybody is crashing out and going "that's stupid your theory is stupid that wouldn't happen because it's stupid".
>>4112437Why do artists keep doing that?
>>4112441Artists are just like that.
>>4112438doomGODS still winning
>>4112433I thought she was nipponese.
>>4112441She hadn't posted anything new since 2020 and then last year she suddenly decided to delete all her accounts.
>>4112441I understand it more or less, that need to get rid of everything you made just to feel clean afterward. When I was an idiot teen I used to waste time writing fanfics and drawing a bit, then I delete it all as soon as I was finished. I realized the process itself was more enjoyable than looking at the finished work.
>>4112438Even outside of here people are so hostile towards theories compared to before, even if you think that kriselle knight is ass, people get so mad over it lmaoI wonder if it's some sort of mechanism people developed over the years
>>4112456It's because all new theories are dumb shit youtubers make up to farm engagement. They're genuinely stupid ideas.
>>4112456True man. I can only wonder if there is something going on, that has been continuously happing across various points of the game and across various subjects, that is enabling shitheads to act like that.
>>4112459Sure you're right, especially those ''i solved deltarune'' type videos, but it wasn't this bad before lol, just i find it funny
The dumbest is the Noelle Knight video posted earlier. Like, the guy goes through the other candidates wit reasonable analysis, but ignores all logic and endorses Noelle because it has hype moments and aura. It's actually insulting.
>>4112462That's every single theory in a nutshell now, pure vibes and "what do *I* think would be the most hype moments and aura outcome?" because the current state of the game is so disappointing that people desperately want it to become cool and justify the WAIT, and simply can't envision that coolness happening through the Toby Fox thought process anymore.
>>4112456People are traumatized after all their previous theories got burned every single time.
>>4112466Meanwhile, consistently, the doomers have been proven right, every single time. That's why "what if the entire game sucked" is a meme, it's denial and cope.
>>4112462>>4112465Chess theory was hype moments and pattern recognition auras and we were okay with it, you will get burned alive if you make that type of theory now
>>4112468After 3 followed up on all that crazy foreshadowing with a whole bunch of nothing, people got REALLY safe with predictions for 5. The most common fan tracks were plain ASGORE remixes and not even that happened.>>4112467It's crazy how "nothing ever happens" is the always the safest bet to this point. Something as basic as having another character getting the attention Berdly got in 2 became a no-no for no apparent reason.>>4112465And now I wonder if the current Toby would ever be capable of willing to make something like UT or 1/2 again, because all the new chapters sure lack the thing that made those popular.
I think you guys just got mindbroken by Toby.
>>4112459Hot take, but I prefer the people here over utg, we just lack community things to do so we keep arguing over the same topics every day. I wouldn't mind if we made our own thread channel and named it some shit like anonanonanon and just shat on the rest of the community while shilling our theories before troontubers got to steal them from us. Afaik, /mlp/ and some threads on other boards already have unofficial channels. Fuck namefagging, though. We'd have to find a way to coordinate using throwaway burners.
>>4112477Kill yourself.
>>4112476No, the only one who got mindbroken was my mother when that bastard Toby fucking raped her!
Kris ass
>>4112480Damn, for me Toby fucked my dad.
>>4112481Best ass.
>>4112478I'm taking my words back, I hate you all.
Undeniable best way to make theories:That silly detail that no one is taking serious, not even you? make it part of your theoryMilk looter is part of the FRIEND pack, invest in Milk looter coins
>>4112486My super important evidence for Hometown Massacre is that Hero_Sword is completely faceless like the Vessel (while also being a copy of Kris).
>>4112485The feeling is mutual, love.
Toby raped me while telling me that my theories were wrong
>>4112489Temmie raped me and said half of my theories were correct.
>>4112481the angel's desire...
>>4112492Why is it canonically so big?
I raped Toby and forced him to make all my theories right.
New Toby.
>>4112493pie diet + female puberty
>>4112493You know why, girls store more fat in the hips and glutes than boys.
>>4112462You just say that cause you hate fun. Remember, half the point of theorizing is seeing how your theories turn out to be wrong. The other half is satisfaction from being right of course.
>>4112495FRIEND is confirmed for chapter 6
>>4112487So Vessel is using Kris body as a baseline like a clone? daring today aren't we
>>4112495>i don't pay attention to theories >anyways, here's more of my characters who's entire purpose is to shit on theoryfags mindbroken
>>4112495Why is Mike in waiting cock position? Oh no...
I had a normal conversation no rape involved with Toby and he told me that my theories could be right or wrong
>>4112503I mean, there's the rudinn in ManCountry saying >WHY DON'T YOU PHOTOCOPY A KRIS TO PLAY WITH US?I think that's supposed to remind you of the character that looks like Vessel, you know the one that is monochrome, like a copy.
>>4112508Like Kris* goddamit
>>4112477We can set up a matrix for us redpilled Deltaruners
>>4112468It's funny how that theory was treated as being a fact while reverse undertale is STILL a fringe theory.
Hey guys, there's a really cool place you can discuss Deltarune -- it's called Kiwifarms. You should go there!
>>4112515Those guys hate Loli Kris so no way fag.
>>4112489Harder daddy fox... put your big cock into my feline ass...
>>4112495Gay femboy Pluey is happening in Chapter 6 LMAO
>>4112515Not going to green reddit who has sharty tier opinions nowadays.
>>4112495He lied to us, this will be another silly chapter..Also feels like that's one of the cafe tables in castletown? i don't remember a mike being outside of their zone
>>4112522it'll be silly and goofy until the last 10 minutes and they we get the big reveal, to which it then cuts to credits see you in 2031!
>>4112508Maybe, ch3 does have some mentions of Kris copy, like that bust bunny that got confused but maybe that's eram
>>4112522Do you seriously think it will be doom and gloom from the moment you start the Chapter??
>>4112527*dust bunny, lmaoDon't kill me eram for minor spelling mistake
>>4112528Nah. We got the message.It's a comedy, not a tragedy, and nothing will happen for the whole chapter.I'm expecting more stale humour and funny maymays.
>>4112528Noooooooo.. noNot really of course, but my only proof of not being that silly is the end of side quests like the moss, starwalker, eggs and shadowcrystals
>>4112532Blue BROKE you.
>>4112534Yeah he owes me 25$
>>4112533>the forgotten man and shadow crystals are counted as sillywhat a fall from grace, those were the two things that gave early deltarune a bit of bite, with the sc's it for 1 & 2 and the eggs for 3 & 4
>>4112500On average maybe but i remember in highschool there was a dude in our class with massive cheeks. He looked like was constantly wearing a diaper
>>4112539Blame Pink for that. She attached herself to both the shadow crystal and egg side quests completely ruining their credibility
I'm glad Toby loves us so much he commissions art of us~
>>4112539I think he meant that since those ended for good serious stuff had to happen.There's also Gerson telling us the story onwards from chapter 6 was not written.
>>4112511Eh, I dislike discord adjacent platforms because people will stop using the threads so that they can circlejerk in servers. Pulling off some sort of a thread collab would be nice, but It's not worth it if to snowballs us into utg 2.0.
>>4112539Not really what i said, i worded it wrong i guess lmaoWhat i mean is that most side content is done for, except shadowcrystal because of the purification, so i'm guessing that the main plot get more focus
>>4112552I said this but honestly 4chan is like the most interaction I get online, ever, and I'm fine with that.Once I get to namefagging I don't see the point and I'd rather just meet up first if possible.
>>4112541She never did that for anyone except mindbroken schizophrenics.
>>4112544Sex with Mike the Cat
>>4112528No one's thinking that, in fact we're all expecting even more wholesome silly fun times for the entirety of the chapter, up until Carol is kidnapped after she gives her approval and parental blessing to Suselle's relationship.THEN things get serious because there's a cliffhanger where Kris finally heel turns and Susie has no choice but to swallow that pill.Then the entire conflict will be resolved offscreen and they'll be right back to being ride-or-die best friends, just like how Toby offscreened whatever discussions Kris had with Knight at the end of Chapter 3, and Toby is unironically being considerate of those who "want to start on Chapter 7 for some reason" and doesn't want them to be confused when Kris and Susie are enemies when all the marketing material shows them as allies.
If anyone is serious about making collaborative content I will join it (I'm an /agdg/ veteran). However, I know nobody on 4chan is serious about it (I'm an /agdg/ veteran).
>>4112482>*Your Dad's Best Friend plays*
>>4112570Whats /agdg/?
