I can't wait to not get a newsletter on halloween. I can't wait for the more straightforward, shorter and easy to make chapter to still take until the summer of 2027 to release. I can't wait for it to not actually answer much at all and to keep having the same discussions here that we're having right now over and over until chapter 7 releases in 2029. I am so happy.
Have we discussed who the conch on the second game board could be referring to yet?Personally I thought it was Ralsei, but now I think it's Eram
Every child Kris design after Chapter 5:
>>4132192Toby mentioned in a newsletter that he expects Chapter 6 being content complete only at the end of the year, just like 5 was last year. I really expect 6 to come out at the same time as 5 did this year.
What good are words when a smile says it all?And if this world won't write me an endingWhat will it take just for me to have it all?Does my pen only write bitter words for those who are dear to me?Is it love if I take you, or is it love if I set you free?The ink flows down into a dark puddle.How can I write love into reality?
>>4132200>Chapter 6 being content complete only at the end of the yearMind explaining where he said that, exactly? Because the closest I can find to that is this>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/ch5-release-date/>This sounds crazy, but it’s not unrealistic that some staff members may start working on Chapter 7 before the end of the year.And in my opinion, "some staff members may start working on Chapter 7 before the end of the year." does not exactly mean "Chapter 6 will be content complete at the end of the year.".
>>4132208Usually the team only fully moves to another chapter once it's content complete.
>>4132211Ok, and where did Toby mention anything about the team moving fully to chapter 7?
>>4132195It could be anyone but I guess it's the vessel or any goner copy, since copies can only repeat what they mirror.
>>4132212In the newsletter you just posted, the same thing happened with other chapters, but maybe it's going to take even longer if only some are going to move to 7.
>>4132215I don't see that, I see "some staff members may start working on Chapter 7", maybe in your mind "some staff members" transformed into "all staff members".
>>4132192>keep having the same discussions here that we're having right now over and overYou control the threads you click on.
>>4132211Maybe they completed the assets and the drawfags are moving on to ch7 while the rest of paid hacks still need to vibecode the minigames o algo.
>>4132192I'm gonna doom further and say that 6 is coming in fall next year, not summer.
>>4132219Chapter 6's bottleneck isn't how long it's going to take to develop, translate and bugfix, it's how long we will have to wait for a Nintendo Direct to announce it which means it'll stay in the fridge in a complete state for months because Toby sold his soul to Nintendo.
>>4132234>we're excited to announce that starting with chapter 6, the complete version of deltarune will be nintendo switch 2 exclisive!
>>4132238You really love to think about scenarios where you constantly suffer, don't you? Careful, that's how you become a Kris.
What are the chances toby "copy-paste" fox based hometown on tranquility lane?
>>4132216If only some staff members are moving to 7 at the end of the year then 6 could still be even further away than we think.
>>4132249Yes, I think that is true, add in that there's gonna be an around 3 month post-production, and that Toby seems to like to wait for chapters to be announced during specific events and such, and early summer 2027 is the earliest 6 could release, and I wouldn't be surprised if it took longer.
>>4132243>turns out Noelle is an 80 year-old grandpa obsessed with eternally NTRing a digital copy of his childhood friend as vengeance for ghosting him decades ago.
Deltarune's best virtue in Chapter 1 was all about its interesting premise for an RPG that was sacrificed for the sake of writing a character-centric storyDeltarune's best virtue post Chapter 1 was about its character-centric writing and now the character writing is being sacrificed for themes and such sloppy writingAnd soon enough Deltarune's thematic cohesion will be sacrificed to write some pretentious message about the nature of playing videogamesIn the end Deltarune will be left with nothing good about it
>>4132251Is it only 3 months of post production? 4 was content complete in September of 24 and it still took it until June for it to come out, and I think 5 was content complete in December and it took until June, too.
>>4132259I'm taking Toby's word when he says the chapter will be shorter so hopefully the post-production period will be shorter too, but who knows.
>>4132243very low
Kris? A flirty slut.Noelle? Two faced perv.Susie? Literal puppy, too pure for this world.
>>4132267Susie is canonically horny for Noelle nowadays dude.
>>4132268Nah, Susie is too innocent. Even her theme song implies she isn't even sure if she's in love or not.
>>4132197why dont kress artists use this design? is it cause it proves that kris is a girl?
me on the left
Chapter 7B's gimmick will be side-scrolling action sections where you press Z to iceshock enemies
>>4132272There are some lolicon Kress artists but they are fewer compared to the majority of /ss/ larpers.
>>4132272The real question is why don't Kress artists use this design more often?
>>4132279Because non-age gap Kress is BORINGGGG
>>4132280The age gap doesn't suddenly stop existing if they're both a bit older, it's not even the most interesting part of it (though it is the appeal for many), that's just doing a disservice to the ship
>>4132272Most Kress stuff is just for /ss/, Aqua!Kris goes against that.
>>4132279Because the appeal of Kress is a shota being molested dude.
>>4132279Because that gets rid of the shota aspect.
>shota*loli
There is no pain like being into aged-up (current) Kress.
>>4132287What about Krusiefags?
>>4132286True but let's be kind to our Shota Kris friends, okay?
>>4132289To be fair, no one depicts one or the other as an OOC pedophile when they ship that. Frankly I'm happy it didn't become canon because Kris & Susie getting a horrible romance arc that becomes their entire personality would've hurt my soul more than what we got, even if it still sucks.
>>4132289I unironically think there's more hope for Krusie than Kriselle. Current Kris likes Susie more than Noelle, and Suselle is going to fail for sure. It's easy math.What about Noelle you think? I hate indecisive people. She dies alone.
>>4132286Kressfags are mostly shotafags dude.
>>4132296>and Suselle is going to fail for sure.Anon...
>>4132296Krusiebro it's time to let go
It's out.https://youtu.be/W1vkyn5yq5w
>>4132300>>4132304I am full of hopes and dreams. It will happen. I know it deep in my heart and it will be glorious.
>>4132305Yikes
>>4132306Person who made that insane blogpost about Deltarune chapters being switched...
>>4132192>femkris>male coded krisHave you considered the possibility of Twink Kris?
>>4132353Isn't that just male Kris?
>>4132296>>4132306>"Toby will subvert suselle in chapter six and then everything will be in order. Krusie can still happen.">"Mein Führer... Toby...">"...Toby teased a new chapter six song on xitter. It's called 'Kris in the cuck chair'."
>>4132353reverse trap kris is better i imagine kris having a voice similar to naoto's in p4 when she's pretending to be a dude every other voice i've heard for kris is very obviously a dude with no attempt at being androgynous, which defeats the entire point
>>4132300>>4132304>>4132310>>4132362Just so you know, I screencapped these posts and put them in my grudge folder. I will remember this moment, and in a year or so you will regret not believing in me.
what does /vrpg/ think about puppies?
>>4132366I like to think Kris's voice is similiar to Yukiko.
>>4132369I think they're neat
>>4132369I need Kris puppies in my mouth
>>4132369I want to pull puppy Kris's tail and shout at them for being completely disobedient
>hey bro, what if we took a beloved genre of games and raped it so bad that no one wants to make one anymore, i'm just so tired of traditional rpgs that everyone else should be too>hey guys, you know that bad show that preaches about how an npc being an npc in a video game is just so evil, we should do that for a whole game while still begging for merch moneyi hope Japan just makes this subversive cretin disappear one day, i wont miss him, he is the enemy in every way possible.
>>4132376nips can have pretty dogshit taste, but they also seem very resistant to things that are subversive toby might be too far up his own ass to recognize this, nips can be open to new ideas but his style has the trappings of leftism, which the japanese historically dislike and are becoming more aware of in their society as an imported rot
schizo is at it againhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiRKUskBq4Y
>>4132380Trappings of leftism? He is a leftist, a militant leftist who publicly cheers on the murderous actions of Islamic terrorists like the organizations he gave money to, the ones that directly participate in those actions.
Why do people pretend the japanese can never be leftists?
>>4132376>edgy meta shit is somehow against "a thousand skeletons">a game can rape an entire genre by being written wrong>schizo rambling about unrelated mediatell me more
I blame Toby for making me really into /ss/, specifically where it's a young lady. I genuinely love the dynamic of a young boy being with young lady. Too bad it's too problematic to be featured in other media that aren't on AO3 or pornI can't wait Dess gets revealed so we can get even more Kress fics.>>4132294Are there fics between the two where Dess isn't abusive but still romantic?
>>4132387it is though. you cant say the world is as big as you want it to be and then say said world is just a simulation and that any modification damages the perfect simulation
>>4132386Because there is no greater leftist than the pasty white man.
>>4132388I guess there are some on ao3 but idk.
>>4132391But the greatest leftist was a russian?
>>4132393slavs are white, regardless of whatever youve been told
>>4132353That's just male Kris (fag edition)>>4132369I like them but I prefer catgirls.
>>4132376CoL, the meat factory thing is bullshit. It's not happening, don't be raped by fan content.
>>4132386because every japanese leftist is either a korean, chinese, or has sold out to american companies even the jap communists in the '60s were compromised by mao and the like did you know? every pride festival in japan has openly been funded by blackrock and the israeli government
>>4132398(me)deltarune
>>4132386I don't know, there's even a nip xitter user that constantly argues for all humans being non-binary.
>>4132398iSrAeL!!!!!!
Shayy has posted another video btw.
>>4132402>sir, a second shayy video has hit the fanbase
>>4132397your right its just gonna be nothing instead
>>4132397I mean HAPPY TOWN was a thing, its probably going to be something beyond our predications though
>>4132393>>4132394You mean the two jews sent to Russia to spread the ideology of a German jew?We have at least six months until Toby announces ch6 with his nintendo daddies and we are already /pol/posting while 90% of the images in the thread are about lusting over Kris. It's genuinely over.
Toby fox now has a site on Wikiquote
>>4132405It's still not going to be the spritesheet shit that's being shilled.>>4132407If it were Noelle images you wouldn't be bitching, faggot
>>4132407Hey it's not my fault we're stuck with an assraped schizophrenic.
>>4132416The sprite sheet is a prediction based on our peek into how goners are made. It's not completely out of left field.
>>4132415>"What's the point of killing something? What kind of lesson is that giving players and kids that play the game? I think that we can develop more games that show that there are non-violent ways of dealing with conflicts and that teach people to be friendlier."what an embarassing quote, and people wanted to tell me that toby didnt intend to preach pacicuckoldry onto the kiddies playing his games
>>4132415Risky gigaquotes that might get you banned.
>>4132419And they think you're delusional if you think the whole game won't be pacicuck from now on after Flowery bruised Susie's ego about being a hero. In Chapter 6 she's gonna grab and throw away the FIGHT button and then tear apart the options for Rude Buster, FireShock, IceShock and even Snowgrave if you try and select them because "real heroes don't solve things with violence" and the Deltarune of Chapter 1 is an objectively different game that hadn't yet been touched by the greed of merchandizing.
What level of raped™ is this?
>>4132407*destabilize, not spread ideology i'm pretty sure it was not the intent of the german government to completely destroy russia, to the point where the tsar and his family were murdered by ravenous fanatics
>>4132418Except the person who made the slop we're seeing didn't think at all about the gonermaker when making it nor does anyone include any goner stuff into it
>>4132422probably not to that extent but i can see susie and ralsei not FIGHTing anymore except against bosses, i still think you'll be able to press FIGHT on your own
>>4132427It's entirely possible, she knows about UI elements now and is completely nonchalant about them. And if Ralsei thinks a better outcome can be achieved without being violent, and Susie can now only feel like a hero for sparing enemies, they'll veto any fight attempts by healing enemies just like they did for Flowery, and even max damage Black Shard won't be enough to wreck the coming foes in one shot.
>>4132426I'm talking about the parallels to the general process of making goners we learned from one of the seven flying aces. Start with an "image" of what you want, "copy" it, "color" it.
>>4132394>laughs in Ukraineanyhow how are you fags doing
>>4132428at least noelle hasnt been poisoned by their retarded beliefs, we could still win by using black shard and iceshock, snowgrave might yield some "girl dont use that shit" cutscene so not that stuff, but either way, it's fair game, there's a strong game design argument for why noelle is coded to equip jingleblade and blackshard, they're meant to allow you to FIGHT and deal enough damage anyways
>>4132419Toby doesn't intend to preach universal pacifism. He wants people to be able to actually look at what's happening in a game's story and not get attached to symbolic meanings of random mechanics. That quote seems to be him justifying the premise of being nice to anything called a "monster" to someone who barely knows about video games.
>>4132422Or Flowery was a specific story circumstance who won't be automatically repeated anytime you want to fight just because you got RAPED once.
>>4132419i like pacifism what's embarrassing is the same guy approved of flowery bullying ralsei bullying orange in chapter 5that's how i knew the guy doesn't believe in what he preaches but just preaches what makes him look the best
>>4132432>Toby doesn't intend to preach universal pacifismProceeds to walk back chapter 1
>>4132437King was not meant to be a true villain. You were letting what you wanted get in the way of what was there.
>>4132435tbf i found it weird how susie and ralsei are ok with you telling them to attack orange and green even through green didnt do anything bad but attacking flowery is out of the question?
>>4132434This anon's scenario: >>4132428 makes more sense. I mean this chapter ended up on Susie living in her delusion world she's not gonna let you touch HER darkners.And Ralsei's a pussy who prays for Susie instead of praying for the cage with human parts.
>>4132415I like Undertale but that first quote is fucking retarded
>>4132432>That quote seems to be him justifying the premise of being nice to anything called a "monster" to someone who barely knows about video games.the quote literally says "players", it's clearly meant for players in general, in what part is the quote meant to be justifying the premise of being nice to anything called a "monster" to "someone who barely knows about video games."?
>>4132438I don't know what you're referring to or what your argument even is so I'm gonna have to ignore that.If I may ask, why does Ralsei say>Wow, when I healed someone I just got backstabbed for it. Maybe trusting everyone isn't the way to go? And then this line of thought get completely abandoned for the remainder of the game?
>>4132442And that's different from "we'll never be allowed to fight for the rest of the game". Unless you're brain poisoned enough to think chapters 6 and 7 will continue validating Susie escapism without question because you're just that incensed about the fucking dykeasaur it's a temporary story circumstance.
>>4132443Toby is a mentally retarded child it should have been obvious by now
>>4132446Depends how the trannies react to chapter 6.They might unironically take the Susie pill and coerce Toby into making chapter 7 suck.
>>4132445Because the game isn't over yet.>it should already be questioning himIt is, just not in specifically the form of him needing to not heal an enemy. He's seeing that pacifism isn't changing anything about the overall path of the prophecy, and that being a pushover helps nobody.
>>4132450>He's seeing that pacifism isn't changing anything about the overall path of the prophecy, and that being a pushover helps nobody.and then ralsei proceeds to force pacifism onto you during the flowery fight, almost as if the line got completely abandoned for the remainder of the game?
>>4132444The quote as you represent it doesn't seem like an opinion someone who actually plays video games would hold. It does sound like a response to a reductive question like "why would I be nice to an enemy?" without pre-empting the points Undertale itself makes.
Which character raped anons here more?
>>4132451Pacifism might not change where the prophecy is going but Ralsei still doesn't want to be personally responsible for any hurtful acts if he can help it.
>>4132453none because they aren't real sadly
>>4132453Susie for sure
>>4132453you meant who raped the most anons or who raped the hardest?
>>4132450This is the kind of thing I'd expect to get developed thorought the game, not referenced once at the start and once later.Hell I think that even in a completely ideal world where this does get referenced again in Ch7, the speech made it seem like Ralsei had ALREADY learnt his lesson, but the rest of the game makes it seem like he hasn't because pure pacifism is still there and a lot of the game makes it seem like the "correct" choice.
>>4132450>>4132459by the time i got to Hotland in Undertale I had a pretty good understanding of the entire story and each character motivation.there’s 2 chapters left of Deltarune and i still have no fucking idea why Kris is working with the Knight, or the “vessel”s purpose
>>4132461You've said this dude, can we not loop back to the same argument again
>>4132458The hardest rapings of anons.
>>4132463Isn't it hypocritical of you to play games centered around the timeline looping and then asking Anon not to loop?
>>4132419Why this quote was completely ignored in discussions about this?Funny how after years of "you didn't get le point" it turns out the point really was "you shouldn't be mean to fictional characters".
>>4132459It is getting developed throughout the game.You wanted "development" to mean "Ralsei getting over pacifism" and not "Ralsei figuring out what he intends to achieve with pacifism".
>>4132467Because taking this quote at face value makes you question why Toby added the genocide route.
>>4132467probably because the quote wasn't that well-known, still, make sure to save it for later arguments>>4132415btw the site has many other quotes as well, might be good for analysishttps://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Toby_Fox
>>4132461are you spirit_504 or did you just copypaste his tweet?
>>4132465well battat absolutely broke me but susie is still a strong contender overall
>>4132461You didn't know why Flowey was like he was. You could've maybe guessed his connection to the royal family but not what happened to him. That's about the level of understanding DessKnight sits right now btw.
>>4132415I will get called schizophrenic and raped for this but to me it feels like Toby is the kind of person who would think something like playing a fascist country in HoI4 is a genuine moral failure on the player's part.
>>4132415>I hope in the end, UNDERTALE has an overall good effect on the world
>>4132471so that he can preach about it? that's like asking why would a game like spec ops the line would preach about war games while being a war game, if undertale was known as a hippie game where you cant possibly kill anybody, then it wouldn't have had the same effect as it did, the fact is, all the guilttripping and shit got to the small kiddies and thus pushed them into pacicuckoldry as toby wanted to preach that
>>4132470Dunno, I feel like you're the one in denial here.
>>4132415Another quote from the article that the first quote is from>"To kill or not to kill is really not a choice for most people," Fox said. "It's predetermined by their personality. But just having the choice is important. Otherwise people would never feel guilty, and you should feel guilty. It was your fault, after all."So he was deliberately trying to make you feel bad for your actions in Undertale
>>4132478We knew he had the power of SAVE since the 2013 demo.
>>4132471see >>4132483
>>4132415>On Homestuck>It takes a certain audience to really understand Homestuck and get into it. If there is somebody I want to recommend it to, I tell them why I like it—hilarious dialogue, stuff I’m nostalgic for like video games, AWESOME MUSIC. Definitely not a megalomaniac here
>>4132415Really glad these quotes exist because it makes clear that one of the main points of Undertale is just>damn if videogame NPCs were real people it would be pretty messed up to treat them like you do in most games
>>4132483isn't it fucking funny how after literal years of arguing about what the game was really trying to say, toby himself confirmed the most basic take possible years ago?it really was that simple, and you might wonder what else is as simple.
>>4132479Raped schizophrenic.
>>4132491>[Homestuck] basically launched my career. So... I really owe a lot to Homestuck! It made me better at music, allowed me to make my game, connected me with many important friendships, and it taught me lessons on HOW TO DEAL WITH FANDOM AND THE IMPORTANCE OF VALUING YOUR FANS.Hussiefication bros I...
>>4132492And for this reason I'll bring back my old theory for the weird route:>>damn if videogame NPCs were real people it would be pretty messed up to try to romance them like you do in most gamesthe point of side b really will be just "dating characters bad"
>>4132492You're a indie dev and you want to make a game that actually has a very deep message. Which path will you explore?>Ohh how about a meta message like a videogame about playing videogames>Hmm how about big feelings like depression
>>4132491the word you're looking for is pretentious
>>4132481Spec ops wanted you to not play it. It was designed by retards. Undertale wasn't. If Toby considered it a moral failure to hurt fictional characters he wouldn't let you hurt his.>but it wouldn't be as effective a messageYou're right, the extreme contrast needs to exist or the game doesn't land, but that isn't because it's trying to teach pacifism, it's because it wants to ensure there's always more "content" down a road you didn't initially come to the game for. If Toby believed meta pacifism was important, he'd be accusing himself of everything he accused his fanbase of.>>4132483>>4132488Coming from the same interview of the first quote makes me question the level on which Toby is discussing the topic. I refuse to believe Undertale was flatly meant to say "be nice to NPCs" when Toby has continued to let you torment them.
>>4132499No I think it's gonna be "damn doing glitches would probably be awful to videogame characters if they were real"
>>4132497Like, I'm not even gonna get into Mike stuff and shit.How the FUCK can he say this and then go on to piss off the OFF fandom so hard?How did he not think putting Bonetrousle in that song was profoundly out of touch?
>>4132505It was a funny joke to be fair
>>4132494The version of Undertale that interview implies is one that goes like a completely normal JRPG on the genocide route and like the normal Undertale on the pacifist route. But that isn't what Undertale is in the real world, it's just him keeping kayfabe about genocide. Remember he didn't even like naming Chara until recently.
>>4132499i think itll be closer to>>damn if videogame NPCs were real people it would be pretty messed up to want non-canon ships to happenessentially meaning that toby will moralfag you for trying to wingman kris and noelle together
>>4132505Bro that's the magic of this quote.It tells you he learned lessons, not that he learned the good ones
>>4132502anon, the quote in >>4132483 literally answers your questions and you're still ignoring it lmao
What's with this autistic wave of Toby hate?
>>4132492Well yeah Undertale does ask that question, it's an inevitable part of questions like "what if characters could respond to game-isms slightly more like people do?" that are core to Undertale's humor. But it's not one of the main points, it's just part of the premise that the characters respond to your actions in a slightly less "video game" flavored way.
>>4132502>I refuse to believe Undertale was flatly meant to say "be nice to NPCs" when Toby has continued to let you torment them.I don't think it was meant to be only that, but the answer to that was given by Toby too in that quote, you need the choice to be able to hurt the NPCs because otherwise the message to being nice to NPCs falls a bit flat. Is it really kindness if your only option is to be kind?
>>4132499That theory doesn't make much sense. You aren't forcing anything new, you're just dragging out what was already buried inside Noelle. Noelle secretly wants this, and she already had feelings for Kris that she convinced herself were fake.
>>4132478Nah, we have more info/easy presumptions on DessKnight even if we don't know the full story. She was exploring with Kris (and probably Noelle and Asriel) when they got lost in the shelter by following a pointed tail. They couldn't get out of the dark world (the door's slammed shut on them), so Kris tries sealing the fountain to escape. Something happens where Kris hurts Dess (either it's the fountain sealing or something else) that fucks things up and makes her LOST (literally in the darkness and in the game sense of her bonds being broken to become stronger). Dess loses her mind in the unused dream/nightmare state and is slowly becoming a collection of memories, at some point she's so desperate she makes a fountain. We still don't know what the scratching is or what her exact motivation as the Knight is (even if I think that's also strongly implied), but we have enough to come up with why she's the way she is.
>>41325153 entire underwhelming chapters and multiple unnecessary fandom acknowledgements do that
>>4132514That quote doesn't answer my questions at all. It just looks like him not acknowledging genocide, especially early on.>>4132518If you just needed the option to hurt them, you don't need the whole genocide route, just make the game go as normal and then let you kill each boss and move on.
>>4132515It's just one anon, maybe two.
>>4132518>Is it really kindness if your only option is to be kind?more like, is it really special if your only option is to be kind?>>4132517so why would toby say that moralfagging is the message then >>4132419, >>4132483
>>4132499So Toby is willingly telling us it's okay to let Kris (his self-insert) be a miserable self-deprecating loser who's not aiming for any girlThis guy is so profoundly mentally ill it's sad, actually
>>4132515I regret to inform you that for some time anyone that actually wanted to discuss Deltarune/Undertale has vacating and you're left with jannies roleplaying an alternate reality where everyone else is operating on the same Indian tier retardation as them, and /vg/ posters crossboarding.Nobody here really likes or has probably even played the game.
>>4132515You are just one contrarian anon, maybe two
>>4132515it has always existed
>>4132515It's like one or two guys desperate to make it out like Toby was somehow forced to make an elaborate torture porn route just to offer an alternative to pacifist.
>>4132524>"you should feel guilty"It's part of the quote and should tell you everything you need to know
>>4132499Yup. Pink's cafe scene is already a microcosm of this because you shouldn't assume the feelings and intentions of your vidyer game characters and play dolls with them. The whole point is that Kris was HAPPY to have an out from dating with Pink but all the self-inserters seethed at Susie instead.
>>4132531literally no one here is saying that toby was forced to do anything, what a dumb way of trying to downplay our criticism
>>4132526Because this is a very early interview and he didn't want to mention genocide head on. He still doesn't discuss stuff related to it particularly openly. If you don't acknowledge genocide, the point of Undertale really does look like that kind of saccharine nonsense.
>>4132429If the fan concepts leaned into that aspect I would probably like them more.
Hi I'm one or two guys, ask me anything
>>4132537When will this suffering end?
>>4132449Toby is doing his own story, he doesn't care about what others think of it.
>>4132537Could you please tell the voice inside your head to shut the fuck up?
>>4132453Susie, Battat/Mike, Yellow/Blue
>>4132541Yeah, butt now he has a superstar status to be worried about. Originally he was just one of the Homestuck music guys, now he's literally sitting and fucking around with folks like Sakurai, Yoko Taro and Kodaka.If any of his snowflake affiliates decide he needs to go, they can just expose that he was a sex pest or pedophile, and then suddenly all good will is erased and he's getting anally annihilated.
>>4132536It's how I've interpreted every fan take I've seen of the sprite sheet as the meat factory so far. What else is supposed to be functionally important about a field of lifeless images? Kris and Noelle continuing to go through the "this isn't real" crisis can only be so much of 7B, and that's the only other thing that comes to mind. Maybe removing someone from the sprite sheet would render them gone from the game? But there are other places you could have that kind of interaction, like the filesystem, whereas specifically "images" are related to goner production.
>>4132537how dare you criticise our savior tony fuchs?
>>4132541No, he does care about what the leftists think. He makes the game for them after all, he needs them to be happy
>>4132467For the same reason we ignore "haven't you learned anything in 10 years" when you kill the 10th anniversary monsters.
>>4132547see the third quote in >>4132415
BEHOLD, A TRUE RAPED™
>>4132548It's crazy how all Toby had to do was make fun of his fans with Aberrant and everyone proceeded to ignore this.
no matter how evil toby may be, he can't be all bad because he gave us krissy
It's good Toby made fun of his fans actually.
>>4132548Because that was about how fighting didn't really repel the retards who demanded all streamers play pacifist?
>>4132550great job doxxing your own twitter account
>>4132555Jokes on you i just downloaded the image off of /utg/
>>4132515People who like the game have moved on and are occupying their time doing something else until 6 comes out. The only ones left are the most bottom of the barrel mental invalids.
>>4132483Toby lost when Chara vs Sans ended up being the most popular part of the game.
>unfortunately you can't just kill people who make up bullshit about my game, as annoying as they are>"WTF THIS IS PACIFIST PROPAGANDA"
>>4132557Pretty much. We're at the point where the signs are clear. There's too little to theorize anymore, OC is dead because of this new wave of "if it's not canon-compliant Tobycore it's BAD actually", and pretty much everyone has made the safe assumption that if Chapter 6 doesn't get announced at the Winter Nintendo Direct, it'll be yet another Summer 2027 release, because Toby has squarely locked in his release date trailers with Nintendo Direct.
This interview has a little bit of everything. Truly a must-read among Toby interviews:https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924581553/make-love-not-war-five-years-of-undertale>Some of the story was almost written improvisationally at the last minute.Kek. Lol. Lmao even.>Really [Undertale] is just a huge katamari of things that I like that I combined arbitrarily.Yeah we know.>Fox's sequel to Undertale, is pretty explicit in its moral messaging that it's okay to fight back against a violent oppressoDeltarune's message is le marxism.>Toby in response to some fan thinking Deltarune's message is the value of fighting back against the system:>Why am I working on games instead of out there fighting?This is also in the context of Saint George Floyd's death>I think entertainment can be like mental medicineMore like estrogen, yeah. Also he doesn't seem to know meds are a psyop by big pharma.>>4132549He's talking about the chuds, not the lefties, duh.
>>4132559he never said that
>>4132415This is a treasure trove of stuff to use to shit on Toby, great find anon.
Do you think he's being genuine in his hate? Like, he's really this raped?
>>4132561>>Fox's sequel to Undertale, is pretty explicit in its moral messaging that it's okay to fight back against a violent oppressoKING WAS HANDLED WEIRDLY BECAUSE IT ISN'T MEANT TO REFLECT ON DELTARUNE OR WHATEVER, ITS SUPPOSED TO BE A ANTIFA PLOT POINTI THROW MY HANDS UP
I always found it funny how most of you hate the game yet stay here all day.
>>4132564Either the schizo lolcow is entirely sincere, or it's an immaculate LARP from a slightly less deranged lolcow, like when PreciousLeaf was revealed to be Mariotehplumber.
>>4132566you're only realizing that now??
>>4132561Yeah, this is a politically motivated interview about an imaginary version of Undertale where genocide isn't real. I don't trust the writer because they are clearly pushing their own view of the game.
>>4132567yet you seem the most affected. /vg/ must be more to your taste.
>>4132572Affected about what?
>>4132562>haven't you learned anything in 10 yearsIs the same thing as>sorry you can't just kill these people to make them go away
>>4132574Nice headcanon bro, but please remember the context is that Frisk JUST came off of True Pacifist. The game is literally admonishing you for forcing True Pacifist Frisk to kill people.
>>4132572I'm here because I like seeing convs about the game, duh.
>>4132575Then why is that message reserved specifically for aberrant, the representative of fans saying stupid shit about Undertale and Toby?
>>4132576Then you should be fine with seeing all sorts of opposing views interact, right?
>>4132566King was handled as he was because Toby subscribes to the Japanese writing school of thought where bonding after a murder attempt on false pretenses is totally normal.
>>4132567i don't, i just throw my two cents then go about my day
>>4132577It isn't. The message is reserved for you, when you kill both Abberant and Mr. Sunshine.When you kill only one or the other, you get different text.
>>4132578Sure! I still find the concept of anon torturing themself funny.
>>4132581>>4132581>Magus in CT>Psaro in DQ4>King in DRTruly the next Horii, Dragon Quest can't wait long enough
>>4132583I'm assuming since you didn't post the quotes yourself they're not flattering to your argument.
>>4132567Anon, just go to originaltrilogy.com and see how those nerds have been pissed off for DECADES.It's just how things have always been.
>>4132587Fine, you insistent cunt.>kill both>"Haven't you learned anything over 10 years?">kill Sunshine, spare Abberant>"I guess you were the real aberrant.">kill Abberant, spare Sunshine>"Do you want to be Mrs. Sunshine?"
>>4132587it's easy to check but ok, i'll post it for them
>>4132586Every Touhou antagonist since the turn of the millennium. Except Junko I think.
>>4132589>Do you want to be Mrs. Sunshine?HOLY SHIT FEMFRISK CONFIRMED SOUND THE ALARM
>>4132584>anon thinks I am a tortured individualI'm not CoL but it's really not that deep.This game is representative of everything wrong with modern media and it's fun dissecting it around.
>>4132589Only one can be read as "chiding", the other two are jokes even though you still killed muh NPCs.Also>Mrs. SunshineFemale Frisk truthers...?
>>4132590
>>4132593This game is representative of questions all media should be asking and most media is asking very poorly because its writers are dumb.
>>4132592he already soft confirmed it earlier in the streamlast year was total femhuman victorych5, as divisive as it is, was a victory lap for us specifically
>>4132592>>4132594And people thought that the "girls kissing girls" tutorial could be played out by a boy...
>>4132599>Chapter with the worst writing confirms female krisMy gears are starting to spin up
>>4132590>are you a bad person?>you are a le bad person aren't you??>did i not tell you you were a bad person enough??>ahahah only a retard like you would need to be told that for 10 years
>>4132599you shitpost, but the second I saw aqua I couldn't believe how hard the humanfag had won
Kris is a boy because he's my vessel and thus an extension of my being. Simple as.Kris is a girl if the player is female.
>>4132602>two other outcomes that still involve killing the NPCs have just plain jokes afterward
>>4132604But Kris is not you. Chapter 1 explicitly laid this out, and every single action Kris has taken independent of you has only continued to hammer in this point.
>>4132603>humanfagIs he actually hyping up all the "humans" or just the loli?
>>4132598No it's not. Do you want every show you're engaging with to be lecturing you about morals? What are you, five?
>>4132607he was just a lolicon but he was a frequent poster on v
>>4132589>>4132594this implies that abberant is married to mr sunshine lol
>>4132606It's the equivalent of a body spasming after getting its head cut off. Remnants of will.See how cowed and obedient they are in the latest chapter.
>>4132599>ch5, as divisive as it is, was a victory lap for us specifically??? Wait, explain. Are you saying that for Aqua being Asgore's version of a mini-Kris, or am I totally missing something here?
>>4132567I hate Deltarune but I love the Survey Program.Such is my tragedy.
>>4132611So cowed and obedient Kris can't open a closetOr think about someone without thinking about someone elseOr look at a photo albumOr let you walk left without saying "FUCK YOUI UNNECESSARY FILLER DARK WORLD TIME"
>>4132608Every show has morals whether they "lecture" me or not, anon. Undertale isn't about how entertainment depicting immoral things is itself immoral.
>>4132425Don't you pretend Bloody Nicholas was a saint just because he got. He could not rule his country, and as a result he lost his life along with the dynasty.
>>4132604femrkris is a rejection of self inserting>but what if the player is a girl?girls don't exist on the internet
>assuming I'm poopshitschizo because I felt like mentioning him
>>4132605tbf, the killing abberant and sparing mr sunshine implies that you have specific reasons for sparing certain characters over others so maybe that's why toby doesnt moralfag you over those? in mr sunshine's case, you wanting to be mrs sunshine?
>>4132614>can't open a closetBecause I'm not gay.>Or think about someone without thinking about someone elseBecause I have ADHD.>Or look at a photo albumBecause the game don't have CG and if I can't look at it, no one does.>Or let you walk left without saying "FUCK YOUI UNNECESSARY FILLER DARK WORLD TIME"Because I'm here to have fun playing MANTLE, climbing to Miss Mizzles and seeking Pink Coins. Papyrus should be grateful I'm indulging the truce Kris made beforehand.
>>4132499Side B's point is that trying to mold the game to your own liking is bad.
>>4132620If Toby wanted to moralfag over killing NPCs he'd just do that, wouldn't he? Having reasons is still killing.
>>4132623Thta's the dumbest point ever
>>4132550i mean, its very weird to say 'thrash your dates ass' in a kids game
>>4132622Gaster's strongest soldier. You shall have the Prophecy's strongest soldier's hand in marriage.
>>4132515We're all #raped here
>>4132622>Because I'm here to have fun playingevil CoL be like
>>4132625Yeah, but this is the "No one can choose who they are in this world. Your choices don't matter. There's only one ending." game.
>>4132630The game didn't imply any of those were good things.
Does it really matter if under all those clothes Kris is a super hot emo tomboy with an apple-scented vagina? We all know that Kris is going to die and none of our ships will come to fruition.
>>4132589I might be getting another psychosis but these comments sound kinda like the thank you survey voice
>>4132528>has vacating>complaining about indians Ironic.
>>4132632>we all know that kris is going to dienoshe has (me) to protect her
>>4132633Chara ERAM stocks on the rise, buy fast
>>4132623>having fun on your own way is bad you should bend the knee and take the shit blast straight ontoby can go fuck himself, i bet he'd have a spasm if he looked at modding communities
>>4132638There's no way that's the actual point. Toby likes fan content.
>>4132623Toby is such a good movie writer. He captures coercion over the MC like no other... What do you mean it's a video game?
>>4132639He does, but his fandom doesn't, because everyone's ashamed of the past 10 years of big tiddy FemFrisk and FemChara lusting over Sans's blue ectoplasm cock.
>>4132628exactly, #metoo
>>4132623Then he can get fucked. He's a cockroach who came to Japan with bad intentions from the start. I don't want him anywhere near Dragon Quest, his ideology is a cancer.
>>4132631it has now, it created a filler dark world after watching the worst scene in the game, this games hates its player in every way
>>4132628Even me?
>>4132639he likes fan content and romhacks since they offer new experiences but he doesnt like people altering the original experience to be better, it's shrimple, earthbound halloween hack is okay to him since its not the og earthbound but with small changes
>>4132643Dragon Quest doesn't let you mold the game to your liking. Most Japanese devs actively hate modding.>>4132644The game still didn't imply that. Get raped and gaped.
>>4132646>altering the original experience to be betterI think this is something Deltarune actually touches on, but not in the way you imply. It's more asking at what point a modification becomes its own thing versus a variation of the original.
>>4132647No storywriter ever lets you mold the story to their liking. Where Toby is wrong is he thinks there's a point to be made about this, which is where he will be going with the meta shit. There's not. It's pretentious shit.
>>4132647He doesn't care about how rigid DQ is because it's a by-the-books adventure where you get to be a hero with loyal obedient party members who do what you want and everyone sucks your dick and the big bad waits in his lair in the demon realm, politely biding his time until you arrive to kill him and save the world.
>>4132643japan itself hates modding lmao
>>4132641if he did he wouldnt take the time to spit on people who like male kris or kriselle>>4132647mind telling me why im supposed to like being stopped from doing the thing the game told me to do over the course of multiple hours making it serve as a distraction throughout the entire area? It bothers me it feels wrong to play>>4132647>Dragon Quest doesn't let you mold the game to your liking.maybe not, but it didnt shove the things i hate the most into them all at once
>>4132649No storyteller ever lets you mold the story to your liking but everyone is convinced that Deltarune specifically is denying them what they want to do. This is a contradiction. How can so many people take it personally when a story doesn't go the way they want if no story is truly in their control?
>>4132644I still think>I'm growing distant with Susie. What if I reminded her of our first adventure?is less filler than>Why is the Knight taking so much time? Tenna, bring me one thousand boards or I unplug you.
>>4132651not like this cretin, his cult would, in their own words, kill you if you said there were only two genders
>>4132648>It's more asking at what point a modification becomes its own thingimo it's when the modified story stops being recognizable from the original story, earthbound halloween hack itself is an unique story as well.
>>4132651I bet Japan will love his Earthbound romhacks then
>>4132652>being stopped from doing the thing the game told me to do over the course of multiple hoursProgress through dark worlds and seal fountains?>NO I'M SUPPOSED TO GET THE CODESNo, you're supposed to advance the story by sealing dark worlds as they come.
>>4132659are they even aware of those? or do they just turn a blind eye to them because he made undertale
>>4132650Maybe because that's what I want from a game. Its a video game, a toy, entertainment, that i used to pay for UNTIL HE CHANGED IT, and took what I like from my entertainment out of my entertainment. It is Robert F. Fox's fault.
>>4132653>How can so many people take it personally when a story doesn't go the way they want if no story is truly in their control?it's simple, you can always headcanon it away, the story is always in the people's control, thus, a reason why modding pisses japanese devs off.https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanonDiscontinuity
>>4132653Everyone is convinced because it specifically set up the idea that "no one can choose who they are in this world, your choices don't matter, there is only one ending" and framed it in a way that it's meant to be defied, and even the characters share this belief with Ralsei literally crying that he wants there to be more than one ending.And since we came off of Undertale, the expectation is that we'll get to prove the antagonistic ideology wrong. But we're five chapters in with two to go, and so far we've had no means to choose who we are in this world, our choices haven't mattered in the macro scale because everything's being saved for unknowable payoffs in Chapter 7, and nothing we do will change the ending until the narrative that's been opposing us decides "ok jk lol you can change the ending now" on a whim.
>>4132660then dont waste time with the codes, dont make the dark world bosses some pansies then, and make the dark fountains part of the world instead of creating them right in front of you instead of being able to deal with the problem
>>4132653How can you take it personally that your dishwasher can't wash your dishes? It only cost you 1000$!How can you take it personally that your house was not constructed properly? It only took 10 years of your time!
>>4132657Well yeah, but "recognizable" is a loaded term. If the weird route were a mod, would you consider it its own thing, or not? It can't exist outside the context of the greater Deltarune but it's completely distinct in tone.
>>4132662I'm not sure Japanese people even play his game outside of v-tuber collaborations meaning people paid to pretend to enjoy it
>>4132668it's portrayed as an alternative route within deltarune's original story so if it was a mod itd still be recognizable
>>4132665Or you're not going to be able to defy the narrative in the game itself. The narrative is the game, defying the narrative requires defying the game, you can't do that when the game is what offers you all your control in the first place. The point being made is that your mind is free even if what you're playing can never be.
>>> "Kris, we hecking hacked the game! Guys... Is this "Le Freedom? Oh my prophecy! Oh my big shot!">>> Says this after doing the the preprogrammed "boundary break" that was explicitly planned and programmed into the game Is Noelle stupid?
>>4132671so it's spec ops: the line again where the message is "shouldn't have bought the game lol (but thanks for buying, it gave me money)"fucking hack fraud robert
>>4132667That implies the purpose of a story is to let me change things and I've been ripped off by every story in existence.
>>4132671don't spend ten years on that and demand people worship it. Dont sell it to children either.
>>4132672Yes. If she ever truly awakens, she'll have an exponential crisis feedback loop because she'll realize even THIS path was a predetermined one she blindly followed, and THEN realize that her own crisis is STILL a predetermined path, and it'll break her so badly that she dies on the spot.
I just wanted at least one more character like jevil and spamton
>>4132673No? You couldn't think about the characters in full without playing the game yourself and having your own firsthand experience. Playing is a necessity to achieve real freedom, but the game itself can't offer it.
>>4132674I mean a video game like this is a story with branching routes. If all routes were trash you'd be right in wanting a refund.
>>4132650Almost like there's a white leftie terrorist-supporting immigrant going around there spreading propaganda about how people shouldn't have those games anymore.
>>4132676Noelle after "breaking her strings" and becoming an error code (they were the only things holding her up)
>>4132679If I thought all the routes were trash but somehow couldn't tell at all how little I got along with the developer's style of writing by the end of the demo that's honestly impressive.>it changed right after the demo!I am playing the same game you are and I don't feel it.
>>4132680There isn't.
>>4132677Too bad, only animu girls from now on!!
>>4132683Sure there is. His name is Robert F. Fox. Here are his words.Go on, Robert, finish that sentence.>"-and because I'm tired of traditional JRPGS, I want everyone else to be tired of them too."
>>4132686That is not a natural end to that sentence.
>>4132686They already were even before Toby came along. Did you forget about the multiple infamous localization droughts of Dragon Quest?
>>4132688Robert forgot how to speak english anyway.
>>4132689That was because of the FFtard Americans. Which are probably not the majority of people in this thread, to be fair.Americans are probably over there at >>>/vg/ wondering about the gender of Tenna.>>4132686Do we have any confirmation that Tobert even played a DQ game once in his life? He might have stopped at CT and Earthbound for all we know.
>>4132689Its only Robert that had an agenda to destroy them from within. He was "tired" of traditional JRPGs because he AGREED with the monsters. Only person I know with that malice towards something I love, and its him.
>>4132692Ah, so Toby traveled back in time to make people tired of Dragon Quest to make sure DQ5 and 6 on SNES never got localized, got them tired again after DQ9 to make sure 10 and the spinoffs never got localized, etc. etc.
>>4132693nah that was dumb americans who preferred science fiction and their anime pretty boys
I don't remember this being particularly discussed, ever, but did anyone else notice the retrocausal themes in Chapter 4's dark worlds? The first one features petrified darkners from Susie's dark world, even though it's yet to be created. Same with the waterfall.
>>4132693Dragon Quest X not getting localized was criminal. There was a whole generation of tendies who were waiting for literally anything to play on the WiiU, and those would have made for great fellow DQ fans.
>>4132696>retrocausalI'm American, can you please use simpler words for me? I don't understand.
>>4132699Something in the future causes something in the past to happenE.g you pressing a button tomorrow caused a pigeon to explode yesterday
>>4132699Past events being affected by the future events.
Deltarune should be called "drag-on's quest", considering the pacing, haha. It keeps dragging on. Haha.
>>4132696With what we know so far, I don't think the dark worlds are "last thursdayist".Darkner's backstories aren't made up on the spot, they just reflected what happened to the objects in real life and what lightners had imprinted on them.All darkners in the church already existed, it just happened that the first fountain's will didn't care for some while Susie's fountain didn't care for others.
>>4132696Another detail I don't see people talking about as much as they should is the fact that even though both fountains are supposedly made by Knight, and should thus have the same will and compatibility logic, it's ONLY when the final fountain remains that all the Darkners can coexist without anyone turning to stone.There's some incredible implications there, and between what's been pointed out in prior threads with parallels from Spamton and Pink, I think that's yet more evidence that the flavor of Abnormal Dess we're looking at is a twisted fucked up fusion of clashing wills, because only someone with an inconsistent will could create two fountains back to back, and one of them ends up diluting the Dark World that it creates incompatibility that only resolves when the cleaner variant of that will is the only one that remains.
>>4132696it's just for monster cosmetics lol, because else the pacing would be heavy with all types of monsters fighting you at oncenevermind all monsters feeling like diverse individuals, that was before, now Toby is back to traditional RPG
Toby is truly a funny fellowEven after everything he said that will make CoL shid his pants in fear of the future of Dragon quest, he made like three ARG exclusive for the weird root, and for sure more to come with the 7b page
>2 weeks away from the anniversaryim so excited to get [nothing]
"buying a plushie for 1 dollar off of aliexpress" update: my FRIEND is here and he's a hard 9/10 on the quality scale.
>>4132716all the fingers get in btw
>>4132711yeah because he pulled a prank and the weird route ended with nothing, not even any battles anymore, all so he could shove his message about fighting bad and kriselle bad into my facewouldnt trust a man like that with a pigsty
>>4132382>If you really want my deep dive into the feminine symbolism of this, watch my video on transfem RalseiUh-oh, should I really watch the rest of this?
>>4132696tangential but it's funny how Gerson actually works as a chess bishop paralleldue to only moving diagonally, the bishops functionally only exist in the squares of the color they originated from, bishops from white squares can only go to other white squares and the same for black squaresthis lines up with the real gerson not being present in susie's fountain
>>4132716Didn't happen unless if you post a paper with the time and a stickman saying hi to the thread now.
>>4132716it's unofficial?looks far better than the battats they're selling
>>4132725Yup. This is why Toby doesn't want mass produced unofficial merch, because he knows they'd do better work than the hacks at Fangamer.
>>4132718kriselle is bad was already in ch3 thoughever, the point is to push them so you can become the angel and hometowncide the town
>>4132728yeah that sucks i dont want that guy near my stuff, hes bad news
>>4132716Literally why would you want a plush of this
>>4132697Tendies deserve it for buying such a retarded console
>>4132677You got Flowery.
>>4132732bees should not be burdened with explaining how honey tastes better than shit to a fly
What the fuck is that a sprite of
>>4132736Ok but bees don't buy plushes of what's basically a generic enemy but with mysterious background, otherwise I would ask the bees about that too
>>4132732>xe doesn't want his plush to bite him so you catgirl in the cumjar gets worried about you
>>4132739a mailboxhave you never seen a mailbox before?
>>4132735???
>>4132739Toby wishes he was as funny as the memes of him
>>4132742I didn't see the line under it lol
>>4132739Sprite for the next game, Unrelated will be about mail delivering
>>4132746>game becomes a hate letter to the fans
>>4132537How is it being every post ITT?
>>4132545>Kris and Noelle continuing to go through the "this isn't real" crisis can only be so much of 7B, and that's the only other thing that comes to mind.You overestimate the intelligence of the average fan, every spritesheet take is just this.
>>4132415They didn't add the quote in this pfp to this list is worthless.
>>4132552This but with Frisk, Chara and Aqua. He gave us good lolis so all his games are good.
>>4132560There's still OC on /utg/
Play Deer and Boy instead
>>4132758Yeah, but it's all goonershit or derangement like humanized nigger Tenna.
>>4132567Rape victims never forget their rapist.
>>4132557>Everybody hates the game except me and the secondariesWhat kind of argument is this?
>>4132762Are they going to turn out like Noelle and enjoy it? Trying to rape it back?
>>4132592>>4132594"Mrs. Sunshine" for Frisk is the next "I declare you cookie and wife" moment.
>>4132769And FemFrisk means FemChara, because otherwise Asriel has no reason to confuse the two for each other.
>Spamton wants Kris' soul so he can leave the Dark World and achieve freedomDoes this mean that if Maddie were to fuse her soul with Mew Mew, then she could actually retain her anime catgirl form in the Light World?
>>4132599>Chapter with the best writing confirms female krisMy wing is starting to ding up
>>4132772Probably not. Having a soul doesn't equal having a [[HeartShapedObject]], and Spamton was after the latter.Maddie is a normal Lightner.
>>4132772No, because Maddie's soul is normal. Kris's soul is special because it has (You), the ultimate participant in the game.
>>4132772That would be a very weird process of Maddie killing herself, having her monster soul persist (we don't really know how this works in DR), then the Mew Mew darkner taking the soul to escape the dark world.
>>4132773>Chapter with the best writing confirms female krisI thought /v/ hated it because infinite reasons like Suselle cuckplay, Flowery being obnoxious, filler Dark World, no Woodie, no Asgore battle, Knight being a cutscene again, and the plot not advancing?
>>4132774And that's assuming the fusion doesn't become an abomination like Asriel-Chara or Omega Flowey, though yet again we don't know how much "darkner with lightner soul" fusions are comparad to "monster with human soul" (which is entirely different from "human with (boss) monster soul")
>>4132607That was just a term that ended up referring to anyone who preferred the humans in the series, especially as girls, not just a guy.
>>4132777ignore the pedo schizo, he isn't our representative
>>4132777Its just a poor attempt to parody >>4132601
why does the ghost get to talk in full sentences in the game
>>4132783Because Pink's not a You + Kris parallel, she's a Frisk + Chara and Knight parallel.
>>4132636ERAM will end up being a "demon" like her and finally explain what those are.
>>4132639Toby does like fan content but he probably doesn't like the idea of twisting and breaking a game to be what you want. He likes you to IMAGINE, not destroy.
>>4132662I never seen them discuss it, so no. I don't think they know Homestuck either.
>>4132788>"you can look but you can touch"truly tobian
>>4132783It's meant to show Maddie finally stopped being retarded after transitioning~ it's a message of love and finding yourself
>>4132696Those objects simply didn't fit with the will of the first fountain and thus got petrified. No retrocasual stuff in that.
>>4132716Kinda nice I guess.
>>4132761I mean, it's still OC done in a consistent manner.
>>4132768Noelle was never the raped, THOUGH.
>>4132777>He has never heard of opposite postingNo woody is good, too.>>4132781RAPED by Chapter 5 and Aqua
>people here unironically are seething at the meat factory fan conceptYou guys are just contrarian about everything.
>>4132795Gaster is real confirmed.
>>4132801we have the one fucker who LOVED the mikes because they dunked on "the worst part of the fandom"if you wanna discuss OC go to the fangames thread, we like this sort of stuff there
>>4132800>RAPED by Chapter 5 and AquaI like how it's Aqua and not Lancer.
>>4132795this is too masonic to be a coincidence
>>4132803One is canon dunking on headcanon, the other is speculahslop that'll probably get deboonked in the same fashion. Not the same thing at all schizo.
>>4132801Those "people" are the types to riot if 7B doesn't immediately open with Kris and Noelle used up dead on the ground as the Vessel dabs on their corpses and flashes you her tits
>>4132800I like Aqua she's of course the best part of 5 but you have to have a serious tunnel-visioned bias to think it makes the rest of 5's writing good
>>4132808>Kris and Noelle used up dead on the grounddue to overexhaustion from SEX
>>4132801The people here desperately want hype moments and aura from everyone unlocking their true power and DETERMINATION to stand against the terrible Vessel who's committing the Hometown Massacre, not 30 minutes of existential crisis.
>>4132803That place hates literally any OC that isn't HMOFAslop lmao
>>4132812I would not be remotely surprised if those people were also the ones that loved all of those Sans AUslop from the Undertale days a decade ago.
>>4132813>doesn't know a thing about the place he is complaining about
>>4132813Not like canon and outside fanslop is any better with all the dykeslop
>>4132801Yes, I don't like it. Maybe I'm being contrarian but the concept is just bad. I also heard the same whining when I hated Woodyshit and then I got completely vindicated over it.
>>4132816Post literally any fan content outside of that and you will get these comments >>4132813
>>4132819Oops, second quote is supposed to be>>4132815
>>4132819people post male ocs and scrimblo ocs all the time there
>>4132818People took the Woodyshit seriously and thought it'll happen. I haven't seen anyone suggesting the Meat Factory concept would actually happen given how Toby always does things out of the left field.
>>4132808>>4132812I'm a Hometown Massacre believer but that's not the reason I disliked the spritesheet idea personally. I just think it's too on the nose, not how Toby does meta and doesn't add anything outside of shock value. There's a reason none of the concepts about it try telling a story.
>>4132812The mainstream fandom is gonna be absolutely broken if 7b never gets a "undying" moment with a character stepping up as a hero, and it's getting increasingly more likely that will be the case.>>4132818Nigga we got Yellow being a major part of chapter 5, they won.
>>4132821>There's fags there too!Doesn't change my point
>>4132825>there is only hmofa!>no, the gays don't change that!
>> good-natured kid who got dragged into an insane plan he was too young to fully understand the ramifications of, got ripped from his body and placed into a flower, then spent the next hundreds of years becoming embittered to the people he once died for the sake of as a hollow, soulless shell pathologically incapable of feeling love while missing his childhood friend the whole time When you're a kid, you think sans is the greatest Undertale character. When you grow up, you realize it was flowey. Why was Toby's writing so raw? Meanwhile we look at deltarune chapter 5, with fucking ralsei holding back against mr apocalypse whole screaming in our ear about the same shit he's doing, only to go ape-shit pulling his cock out over a 40 damage projectile, asgore vagueposting like his life depends on it, and whatever happened there with susies date, truly disgusting. deltarune has fallen. trillions must overwrite their pacifist saves with weird route to teach that fuck Kris a lesson
>>4132753>the quote in this pfpHeh
>>4132822People DO treat that concept seriously, that's why we're having this conversation, because someone is mad people dislike it.>>4132824I told woodyshitters the yellow flower was the only cowboy representation they would get and they disliked that. I'm not accepting revisionism here
>>4132827papyrus is the greatest UT character
>>4132818If you don't like it, name a better interpretation of a meat factory in Deltarune.
>Knight uses Asriel's attack>Which is based on >While making Mettaton's pose>Random bat + horn implying its DessAdmit it. Knight isn't a "mystery", its outright theorybait.
>>4132826HMOMA is just HMOFA for fags
>>4132829>the only cowboy representationwe also got the western minigame in 3>revisionism looks like you weren't aware of neo woody theory
>>4132827i didn't play the series but it's probably just some shit he copied from mother
>gay sex is just straight sex for gaysthe sort of wisdom we get in this thread
>>4132832The Knight is just Tobi again I've already said it
>>4132833fags prefer furry on furry anyway
>>4132831The original interpretation of it being the GonerMaker or a place like it was much better.
>>4132774Nothing about Maddie is normal
>>4132838That place specifically loves interspecies fetish.
>>4132777Only midwits hate Flowery, retards and geniuses love him.
we became /utg/ except we're heterossexual and we don't make artwork or any other meaningful content
>>4132801>"my family.... my dear sister I lost.. we're all SPRITES in a VIDEOGAME? AAIIIIEEEEEE I'M GOING INSANE"There's no variation it's just a fanfic-wrapped emotional moment
>>4132844/utg/ makes meaningful content??
>>4132844Theories are more meaningful than cuck vore webms
>>4132844>heterosexual male chuds cannot create anythingWow it's crazy how things just get confirmed like that
>>4132846Dess will be acting like she has it bad while some of us will get sent to war and we don't have spare bodies
What did we learn from the last thread?
>>4132753>Toby was a Ranfag and also a lolifagTime really makes everything worse.
>>4132801this is the community that had an orgasm over getting 3 entire chapters of cutscenes only for the weird routewe celebrate mediocrity here
>>4132849they create babies which is more than any of you guys can claim.your dad was a heterosexual male chud and look at where you are now
>>4132836Refute that without sounding mad.
Femkrisfags would be better if they actually posted good artHell, have a freebie, fag
>>4132852we learned to appreciate kitty milkers
>>4132852Kris is female and a bislutSusie is stupid and a lesbianNoelle is cute and a lesbian
At least Deltarune isn't as complete garbage as Dragon Quarter, now that was a bad game.
>>4132855My dad is also the most boring person I know
>>4132844>avatarfag saying thisReally, bro? You could at least attach a different image in order to not look like you're throwing stones from a glass house
>>4132856nobody will refute that I mean who would want to fuck with a woman?
>>4132834I was aware of neo woody, that was explicitly about Asgore’s canceled TV show protagonist being the boss, not the yellow flower
>>4132863but the whole point of my post was to break my glass house
>>4132864Women like men, they're as gay as it gets
>>4132852That my thread was a pretty big success.
firegrave was cheesy as fuck but at least we would have got actual alternate boss battles out of that
>>4132862well im waiting on your big life changing creation, anytime soon now
>>4132869>I want the normal chapter to be smaller
>>4132753im pretty sure contributing by adding quotes to the page is possible
>>4132871that's exactly what we got for 5 except it didn't had a single battle
>>4132849trueee, we should also use our menstrual blood
>>4132869given the state deltarune is at, firegrave wouldve been a blessing compared to what it's doing
post mewers
>>4132875the average fan made take from the chapter 2 era would have been better than what we got
>>4132877You say that like Tenna didn't immediately kill all the fan Tenna/Mikes
>>4132612NTA but I assume that's the case. Aqua is a girl and child Kris, thus Kris is a girl I guess
https://x.com/MrGalaxia9/status/2111490365601497138 to cheer you guys up a bit, here's an animation of noelle literally raping kris as you mash proceed, also, non-zero chance that the vid might get deleted so make sure to archive it too
>>4132879Kris was born female but as they got older they were questioning their gender as early as the King and Queen of the festival talk
>>4132869>>4132876Firegrave but we manipulate Mew love for Kris to throw bombs and inferno of jealous'd everything
>>4132878>canonical character with actual content people can play/listen overshadowed random fan made OCswow no shit sherlock
>>4132876
>>4132882maddie would be retarded enough to go along with this and you wouldn't even need mind control powers
I never got the appeal of firegraveKris tells toriel to incinerate the darkner alive, toriel says something like "aw that's nice sweeties", the player has to prompt Kris to glare at toriel with conquerors haki and call her a disobedient foid who must be punished, then toriel gets mad and starts a 20 minute mandatory lecture cutscene during which Kris starts crying, cut to credits that was peak guys can't wait for chapter 4
>>4132880>gets baited into watching spritesheetslopFUUUUUUCK
>>4132888its literally just the first few seconds of the animation, just skip forward a bit and youll see the goodies
>>4132887I'm not saying firegrave is good, always felt it was bottom of the barrel speculation. I'm just saying the actual weird route is profoundly underwhelming compared to fan works, regardless of the interesting concepts sprinkled across it.
>>4132890I agree the weird route is underwhelming but I've never seen a fan work that exceeds the weird route. Maybe Overswung but the concept is so different it's hardly weird route.
>>4132876It's sad she's stuck inside the body of the actual Mew since her version is way hotter
>>4132891I know I said "fan works" but I'm just talking about speculation in general.We could have had Gerson call the player out in the weird route (like how he does in UT), we could have had Asgore realize something was wrong and fight Kris, or ERAM doing something more meaningful than just mocking Kris, or Noelle showing up in the dark world again and freezing more darkners, and so on.
>>4132887thats because you dont understand the actual ideas people had on a firegrave, it wasnt just saying proceed again, it was simply getting hurt and making yourself appear weak by choosing certain ACTs and choosing non-evil options so that toriel would kill the darkners in an attempt to defend you, essentially the appeal being taking on different forms of manipulation to get other lightners to kill for you, where noelle's case was exploiting her inability to say no at the time to the extreme, and toriel's case was exploiting her overprotective tendencies (as seen in undertale and how the ruins monsters feared toriel) to the extreme.
>>4132892agreedher thick eyebrows add so much personality
>>4132895Fucking kek, all you people really want is just Undertale again. JUST GO PLAY UNDERTALE.
>>4132844>>4132849Stupid chuds cant make art out of period blood and hair like /utg/ does, how awful...
>>4132900She actually has personality, Mew Mew looks like the blank figurine that she is which if nothing else made her a good template for Maddie.
>>4132890Much like the whole rest of the game, everything is only underwhelming because Toby is backloading EVERYTHING of value into the final chapter, just like his dearest Mother 3.
>>4132902You laugh but /utg/ has an actual definable culture. What do you guys have? Basic bitch /v/ tier shitposts and a basic bitch /v/ tier schizo? You're just leftovers.
>>4132904At this point I'm wondering what's even the point of Chapter 6. Might as well skip that and wait for 7 and ask Grok what was the one thing 6 elaborated upon
>>4132901>release new demo>demo has UT gameplay>demo has UT writing>demo has UT aesthetics>demo's story is intrinsically connected to a big secret from UT >author calls it "a game for people who played Undertale">"WAAAAH!!!!! WHY DO YOU WANT THE GAME TO JUST BE MORE UNDERTALE?????"
>>4132887It was ch2 era mentality, if you can manipulate Noelle, then you can manipulate anyone else! People didn't sum 2+2 that WR only works because the trust and connection Noelle had with Kris, any other character doesn't really workThe same happened with people expecting Catti and Berdly to be more relevant thanks to NoelleIT'S ALL NOELLE'S FAULT, SNEEDGRAVE AND HER RELEVANCY GAVE PEOPLE FALSE HOPEBut it's your fault for not trusting Gaster list
>>4132906What I'm actually wondering is why the fuck make 6 a solo release if it is going to be so short a lean.Could have given a longer break and waited to release 5+6 so people wouldn't bitch as hard about 5 introducing nothing, or just wait to release it with 7 and 7b.My only guess is that>people expecting weird route content would be even more pissed with a 5+6 release giving them absolutely nothing>some people would just skip straight to 7b without going through 6 first if they released together and Toby doesn't want that to be the experience
>>4132907Yup, deranged chapter1fag mentality
>>4132880>Watch the full video>Spritesheetslop was actually Vessel Hometown Massacre medias in disguisedHeck yeah!https://youtu.be/gsosm7ftzB0
>>4132908>But it's your fault for not trusting Gaster listI trusted the fucking list, I just didn't think she was never going to return to the party in the middle game.
>>4132901Toby also wants us to just play Undertale again
>>4132907The game being an extension of UT is not the same as what you want, you want literally UT but with a new coat of paint.
>>4132905CoL is also an /utg/ schizo
>>4132909Chapter 6 will be>shorter>no Weird Route>focuses on just one thingLike, what is its purpose? Why make it sound like it's going to be this underwhelming? Then don't make it a Chapter 6 and just incorporate it in 7 or something
>>4132909Because this is no longer being treated as a game, it is an experience for the creator's ego. He releases the game in parts to get fan engagement and draw things out as long as possible because DR is the event of his life at this point.
>>4132912Duh, because ch6 ending is actually the middle game, ch7 is around ~4 chapter long
>>4132901>JUST GO PLAY UNDERTALEI played it! Tens of times! In multiple ways and conditions! I already read and burned all those books there, I got bored but I'm still not satisfied. I want more bosses, more new characters, more new tracks.Undertale is a very short game, made with low budget mostly by one guy in Hussie's basement who is a bad programmer, and it never reached the full potential of it's concepts.Deltarune was our ONE chance at getting "Undertale but longer and better and with an actual dev team" and it was wasted.And it's not like I can just play other games, these are two of a kind games with very specific characteristics that no one will ever attempt to replicate outside of fangames with no budget.
>>4132905At least we don't have Anons posting their cocks in the thread
>>4132916He only wants you to play it so you can feel subverted by the sequel
>>4132922Then ask ChatGPT to make more Undertale for you or something if you want repetition
Meat factory spritesheet theory But it's us seeing photos full of hope before Toby raped us
>>4132922*three of a kind:^]
>>4132905RAPE IS OUR CULTURE
>>4132921>https://deltarune.com/update-092021/>We gained a lot of experience working on this chapter. I believe it's the biggest chapter in the entire game in many ways. The cutscene count is the largest, the story involves many characters, and there are many other aspects that made it a challenging chapter. For next time, I think if we can expand the team a little more, then things will really kick off... maybe.And yes, he did say later>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/summer24/>I'm not sure if Chapter 2 is still the longest chapter, but Chapter 3 & 4 together are definitely longer than Chapter 1 & 2 combined. Thinking about that is kind of crazy…And he also had "lied" about Asgore being the final boss in the game for his kickstart supporters, but don't expect 7 or 7b to be particularly large.
>>4132925>vibecodingI wanna puke>>4132927I love yellow, but being a fangame limits it's nature in many ways.
>>4132927Homestuck?>>4132933Yellow isn't worth of being lumped with the main games anyways.
>>4132938yeah, unlike deltarune it actually lives up to UT expectations
Crying about too much meta in Deltarune a.k.a. a game created by the same author of "the story revolves around SAVE files" Undertale a.k.a. "fucks with you directly in the menu" Undertale is like a vegan crying about too much meat at the butchery.
>>4132947I met Undertale through memes and I got interested by its comedy, not the SAVe bullshit that is mostly concentrated on the end of the game.I knew Deltarune was going to delve into the same shit after Queen's monologue about escapism, I just didn't expect it to be as early as chapter 3 out of 7 after Undertale mostly backloaded the stuff.
>>4132948>I just didn't expect it to be as early as chapter 3 out of 7 after Undertale mostly backloaded the stuff.The meta shit was there since Chapter 2, which chances are very likely you praised to high heavens despite it also being a flawed chapter. Arguably even Chapter 1 if you count Ralsei and the soul-ripping ending.
>>4132839>generic grimdark horror shitzzz
>>4132947I've already decided Deltarune is the last Tobysoft game I'll care about because I don't want more meta bullshitery
>>4132949Yeah but both of those also had a strong side cast of original characters and normal boss battles and shit.
>>4132949>Arguably even Chapter 1 if you count Ralsei and the soul-ripping ending.Ch.1 also had "Gaster", Gonermaker, the Kris save file, the "Gaster" save slots UI that gets replaced after clearing Ch.1, Sans's observation to your dialogue choices, etc. Not to mention all of the recycled Undertale characters.Only retards come to Deltarune complaining about meta.
>>4132919To give even more Suselle fluff before shit hits the fan and Susie has to stop obsessing over Noelle to focus on the fact Kris is a FUCKING TRAITOR.
>>4132954Anon I'm complaining that Deltarune had things BESIDES the meta shit that it just gave up on having the second I paid 25 dollars for the game.
>>4132957>that it just gave up on having the second I paid 25 dollars for the game.You could have just not given the 25 dollars when you find out it doesn't have the thing you want. It's not like other people can't tell you what's happening in Chapter 3 and 4.
>>4132960I paid it because I wanted to be 100% blind (unlike how I had been spoiled for UT and chapter 2 which made my experience far less interesting).The only person I talked about it before playing had a positive opinion so how the hell could I know it wasn't going to feature a SINGLE thing I was expecting out off the game.
>>4132961Pirating is also an option y'know
>>4132963Anon, I didn't expect the game to be THIS much disappointing.I don't normally pirate indie games. Something like chapter 5 was like the worst I was expecting out of the new chapters.
>>4132964You have enough control. At this point, all you have to blame is yourself.
>>4132966Well, to be fair I do blame myself for not noticing the signs of what was to come after chapter 1.I'm like the fags who thought The Phantom Menace was going to be good after Return of the Jedi being the way it is.
>>4132941#Raped
>>4132950... but enough about the spritesheet interpretation
>>4132853>was ... a lolifag>implying he isn't anymore
>>4132975He revealed his hand since 2015
>>4132975waow
>>4132975i'm afraid to say he has an adult woman fetish now
>>4132415This page needs "tl;dr eat shit, faggots"
i dont know what mental illness keeps me here
>>4132978They're not mutually exclusive.
>>4132980much like how toby is bound to THAT DREAM, we are bound to deltarune ruin has come to our threads
>>4132925Chat gpt cannot even remember names. What are you talking about
>>4132982we are wracked with a perverted sentimentality
I love Deltarune now
Post your kriselle folders
>>4132989I don't have it organized + you're just trying to soft dox people here with the images and filenames
>>4132592>>4132599>>4132769I've just now realize that this is also recent evidence of Toby not obsessing over his characters' ages like his cancerous fanbase does.
>>4132991xitter and reddit have a nasty habit of purity spiraling, yes
>>4132987I kneel...
>>4132989I-I'm shy... but mine is 655MB has 1082 pics. I started playing Deltarune this year btw
>>4132989I only save art of Kriselle if Noelle is a loli in it.
>>4132989i don't have a dedicated kriselle folderbut my femkris folder is a measly 153mb despite saving every femkris i come across
>>4132993Odd considering how they think it's normal to castrate boys if they play with dolls
>>4132998to them, the purity is ideological the more fanatic you are, the more pure you arethey're all watching each other like hawks, waiting for someone to slip up so they can devour thema very common practice in leftist circles rightoids just call each other faggots until one of them fucks off
>>4132929*RAPED
any angry anons who want to talk about the little things from 3-4-5 they actually loved?for me it's shuttah
>>4132999Can't wait for Toby to slip up
>>4133002toby has mostly detached himself, his persona is not the man himselfit's also one of the reasons why he fucked off to japan and only interacts with his nip fanbase
>>4133002He already did with the weird route flower thing. Also, his cancer fanbase initially tried to start shit with the introduction of eww a loli Aqua but they got overwhelmed into silence.
>>4133003Yeah the man himself just supports terroristsOh wait the personality does it too
>>4132891>but I've never seen a fan work that exceeds the weird routeI found this one to be better than the canon version's lake scenehttps://youtu.be/XBnGGdsfjpg>it's shitYea, so was the lake scene and the actual chapter 5 in general.
>>4133006it's shit
>>4132891You mean the weird route where ch3 and ch4 and ch5 have almost nothing
>>4133008wow! i can't believe it's canon compliant!
>>4133009yes it's exactly what he meansbecause we celebrate mediocrity as long as we can write some paragraphs about "themes and such" from it
Favorite orange moment?
>>4133013every single time she takes a piss out of ralseigod, that and flowery doing the same was satisfying
The thing is, I really like Deltarune. But it has this major issue that objectively drags down the experience where it isn't exactly like Undertale's Genocide route and it isn't exactly like Final Fantasy V and it didn't make all my dreams come true and Toby shoved his red rocket into my boyhole without lube and I spent all of Deltarune expecting hype aura but it was mostly memes but I still expect every next chapter to be hype aura. If he could just fix that about the game then we'd be looking at a game that's almost as good as the game he was inspired by in the first place, Undertale Yellow.
>>4133004>pedos bullying lefties on twitter over the Aqua controversy This is not the win for the DR community that you imagined it to be.
>>4133013If Orange wasn't a mouse, would she be a little girl too?
>>4133019Sounds like you got filtered tranny lol go back
>>4133013My favorite Orange moments are anti-Orange rather than pro-Orange
>>4133020Imagine fucking Aqua then when you're done she gets up and transforms back into a Netskie and leaves
Deltarune is stalling and it sucks. The players defend it and it sucks, they want the whole game to be like that.
>>4133023A Netskie is the perfect companion to let out all of your desires with none of the guilt.
>>4133025>guiltAqua is older than Asriel
>"asgores dream">Kris made fountain Retards
>>4133030fenekinfox warned people of rewrites that leave inconsistencies as artifacts
>>4133028I'm talking about rape, not the appearance-of-consent.
Getting stamped and stomped by netskies
>>4133030>>4133031It is kinda weird that Flowery is suspicious of the guy who made his beloved fountain.
>>4132844>we're heterossexualspeak for yourself
>>4133025Thank goodness it was only an animal and not a real flower.
>>4133032can't rape the willing
how berdly is handled in the chapter 4 weird route is dumb. Like a student at school just happens to bring another student who is comatose to the hospital and nobody questions it? The person at the front desk just says "thanks for doing that" and that's it? berdlys parents don't want to question kris to find out what happened? They don't want to question noelle, who grouped up with berdly for the project and went to the library with him?
>>4133039Netskies aren't even real animals. They're just wooden onaholes.
>>4133041I'm disappointed that Berdly's mom was a no-show in Chapter 5.
>>4133041toby cleared up any potential plotholes by having noelle say that nobody give a shit about anything not on their set path in ch5burghly is in the hospital? not my problem
>>4133041The person who brought him in is literally the last person anyone in town would suspect.
>>4133041The police would investigate what happened to Berdly, but, well, y'know...
>>4133041>nobody questions it?this can be applied to like a hundred different things in the storyundertale characters were silly, but deltarune feels like it is being written by an alien who doesn't really understand how people think
>chapter 1: susie abandons kris to hang with lancer>chapter 2: susie abandons kris to hang with ralsei>chapter 3: susie abandons kris to talk to tenna>chapter 4: susie abandons kris to talk to gerson>chapter 5: susie abandons kris to hang out with flowery>chapter 6: susie abandons kris for doe pussy>chapter 7: susie gets abandoned as kris, noelle and berdly go to college>chapter 7B: susie dies off screen (best timeline)
>>4133047>The police would investigateNever in the history of anything has this ever been the case
>>4133050>chapter every past thread: you self insert as Kris and victimize yourself as much as humanly possible >chapter this thread: you self insert as Kris and victimize yourself as much as humanly possible
>>4133055i self insert as milklooker
>>4133055If you dont self insert, there is no adventure to enjoy
>chapter 1: I'm self inserting into Clover>chapter 2: I'm self inserting into Tasque Manager and Queen>chapter 3: I'm self inserting into Elnina>chapter 4: I'm self inserting into Miss Mizzle>chapter 5: I'm self inserting into Aqua, Orange, Seth and Pink
>>4133061Ralsei...
>>4133059Yes there is, just don't be a faggot who lacks the self awareness to believe the adventure is something contained within the story. It happens in your mind as you engage with the story whether or not you self insert if you're doing it right.
>chapter 5: I'm inserting myself into Aqua>chapter 1: I've inserting myself into the Aqua flower>chapter 2-4: I've modded Aqua into the chapter and inserted myself into her
>>4133041Bro nobody even notices a 10 foot tall magical knight monster floating through town.
>>4133065It doesn't look like that in the light world. It might not look exactly right and normal but it doesn't look like that.
>>4133063But it's an adventure game. A role-playing game. You can't just tell people not to roleplay in a role-playing gameI wanna be the hero in the turn based role playing game, you can't tell me how to enjoy my game you're trying to ruin it
Anyone else think the recurring theme of Kris being unable to do magic is really dumb? Because we aren't given enough context to give it any sort of meaning.
>>4133066Source: your ass? We know it still has super strength and super speed in the light world.
>>4133069Does it? Didn't seem like it when I visited it in the hospital.
>>4133070I'm not joking when I say I have no idea how the Aqua porn scene took off so hard. She was just kind of annoying and I hated her omega attack plus the "uuu" thing was overdone, I don't get what horndogs saw in her. There are way hotter characters in the game.
>>4133073every word of what you said is shit taste of the lowest grade
>>4133073>There are way hotter characters in the game.Not everyone is into homosexuality fagbro.
>>4133077I didn't realize those were the only two characters in the game but I should have been tipped off by the 4 chapter-long blank screen these past 8 or so years
The Malfoid trend and this Deltaswap AUslop made me realize that turning a fag into a cute girl significantly improves everythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM6xHrINeL4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRlTOUn4U8I
>>4133071The knight carried Asgore and Undyne into the shelter, retard.
i want to suck ralseis cock
>>4133041Everyone is literally braindead retarded, no one questioned or even acknowledged the improbable traffic jam caused by a small white dog from Chapter 2 that had most hustle and bustle than the festival, the literal biggest event of the year.
>>4133073First official confirmed loli in the Undertale/Deltarune series.
>>4133085And this is the game people worship? Why can't you make the chara ters not retards if you expect me to take any of this seriously
>>4133087Because if characters were smart, the story would have to progress and reveal Kris's treachery and the details of THAT DAY before Chapter 7.
>SpookyDude releases video on Kriss=Patience>says it's dumb because it has no point, shills an unrelated theory insteadDamn. If only there was a theory perfectly explaining what Kris originally was. Oh well....
>>4133089They couldn't just release chapter 7? Why can't the story just progress? Why does Robert hate making progress.
>>4133096>They couldn't just release chapter 7 [instantly]?No. Work takes time.>but the story isn't progressingToo bad.
>>4133097Then I'll just go back to the games I like, where progress is actually made
Support a real dev
>>4133082Leave it to you guys to miss a simple joke
>>4133102Awww, he finally replaced Austin "white guilt" Jorgensen in his comparison.
>>4133085Sure but what about the characters?
>>4133097>Work takes time.Not when I can just run Deltarune through Opus and tell it to make 2 more chapters with no mistakes
jewish man leaks deltarunehttps://x.com/IsraeliFlowery/status/2110780344677118114
>>4133102>JewishIsraeli flowery is a jew, Toby wants to kill him
>>4133106Show me
>>4133104the downfall of austin jorgensen should be recognized. was lisa the painful just a fluke or did becoming a woketard sink any hope that joyful had? possibly a combination of both things.
>>4133110Joyful was fucked because it was always going to be an obligation rather than passion due to being a Kickstarter milestone bonus, but it's a miracle we got the whole Brad sequence anyway.Austin didn't truly fall from grace until his dad died, then he completely broke and went into a depressive spiral that he'll never truly recover from, even if he did manage to create New Kino with Painful Definitive Edition's secret Marty boss.
>>4133111wasn't this the same thing that happened to hussie?
>>4133109I'm not going to. I want Toby to know, to FEEL that I could make him obsolete at any point in time. Over the next ten years that it takes him to make the three last chapters he will feel the undercurrent of dread of my inescapable presence, understanding that I always have my finger on the trigger. Then the day before 7/B drops, I'll generate the rest of Heartbound and dab bigly on Blizzard's top talent.
>>4133113>Then the day before 7/B dropsIf you're going to bother doing that, you can troll some troons and pretend it's an early leak.
>>4133073I can't understand people who come to the Papyrus franchise and get upset when there are Papyrus-like characters
>>4133111>Austin didn't truly fall from grace until his dad died, then he completely broke and went into a depressive spiral that he'll never truly recover fromwasn't fully aware of the timeline ty anon. shame how it all unfolded, im not looking forward to ninja tears (or expecting it to ever release). at least the lisa fangame community is still chugging along.
>>4133117Lancer has always been discount Papyrus and has been relegated to irrelevance after chapter 1.
>>4133120>relegated to irrelevance after chapter #that's 99% of all darkners in the game
>>4132919>Like, what is its purpose?aborted weird route and twistedsword route beginning (that's what the game will elaborate on)
>>4133107biggest cope bs ever, post proof or gtfo, why cant leakers do that?
>>413312199% of all characters in the game period. If you aren't Kris, Susie or Ralsei, you WILL be irrelevant. Even Knight is getting downplayed despite being the literal antagonist.Unless you're Mike Trio, then Toby will make sure you have oodles of fanservice and shipbaiting.
>>4133073the only thing i hate about aqua is that she pussyblocked all the potential orange porn
>>4133117>Aqua is literally PapyrusAs a Papyrus fan, I think you're the dumbest nigger alive.
>>4133113Pull the trigger please ch5 sucked
>>4133122Twistedfags are the biggest shitposters on this sub
>>4133127Did even Mina get that much porn? I think Orange is fucked simply for being too "human".
>>4133126Rouxls Kaard out of everyone is the exception for some reason. He got more screen time in 3 than any of the previous chapters.>oodles of fanservice and shipbaitingThey got cucked out of showing up in chapter 3 itself.
>>4133131Mina was the only that actually blocked Orange from getting attention.
>>4133132Yeah, because Toby wanted to hide the fact there was a Mike conspiracy. You think it's as simple as "oh wow Tenna took Mike in the divorce" but then you find out no, he didn't, Mike just VANISHED after the falling out and now some retards are LARPing to keep Tenna happy because he refuses to let go of the past, as is his nature.
>>4133127Orange could have gotten loads if she looked like this but mouse.
>>4132808She can flash her tits to Kris and Noelle and that's why they died
>>4133137>orange basing her looks off minnie mouse on tv that frightened noelle as a kid over a literal mouseWould have been a big improvement.
I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Asgore did nothing.
>>4133145I'm still relieved Asgore got to keep his dignity in the end of everything unlike Toriel, Sans and Catti, even if he wasn't well used in the story.
Orange is like 2 pixels and a boxing glove, no one blocked her from getting porn more than her own character design.
>>4133134>Toby wanted to hide the fact there was a Mike conspiracy.
>>4133137It's legitimately impressive how sonicfags form the largest porn communities over the youngest characters of any franchises they're fans of
>>4132911I do like the idea that the entire point of the weird route is to get back the vessel
>>4132415So there really is no trick, no subversion. That when the game says these two characters are in love, even if you don't agree with it, you're supposed to support it because that's the kind of wholesome person you should be
>>4132415
>>4133155such a strong contempt that he's singlehandedly raped the entire consumerbase and industry into also being tired of jrpgsfuck you robert. get AIDS. cancer in the ass. parasites in your cock.
What if the point of Suselle is to be a "protagonist hero gets the girl" type of romance but you watch it from the POV of a secondary party member, all for the sake or realizing how dull this sort of romance usually is?
>>4133157Its bad on purpose usually fails.
>>4133155>>4133156you two are like a spamtenna type ship
>>4133159okay but i get to be spamton
>>4133157>What if the game sucked (on purpose)?I can see it.
>>4133163i mean that was what the genocide route tried to do (and failed)
>>4133157nah it's just a form of NTR
>>4133164Yeah, because it gave you the two best boss fights in the game, and both were new.Weird Route remedies this by giving you ZERO new boss fights aside from Solo Spamton NEO.
>the only Deltarune thing I’m looking forward to is 7B
>>4133164>>4133170Nta but I'd say this is 90% due to the unnecessary grind. It takes you more time to kill 20 or however many monsters you need per zone than to beat Sans for the first time. I don't know whether Toby intended it to be that tedious, because fuck the player for grinding in rpgs, or if he just half assed the genocide mode to get the game out as soon as possible.
Lord English is the Side B Soul
>>4133171the only Deltarune thing I’m looking forward to is the fandom shitshow after the next few releases
>>4133154You injured her finger and gaslit her into murdering people.
>>4132793But why do no other dark worlds have that. Except for Ramb in chapter 3.
>>4133157Toby's schtick of spending a lot of time and resources to say "look! this is a trope! aren't tropes so tropey?" isn't as deep as he'd like to believe, unfortunately.
>>4133163>>4133164Geno might have been done because grinding is annoying but he absolutely put in the kino moments on purpose, the only annoying part was having to wipe everyone out.
The plot of Toby Fox's 74 is a princess secretly being a dragon who kills the hero. This is clearly foreshadowing for Delarune, where Susie is the dragon who is pretending to be a princess. She will betray and kill the heroes at the end.
>>4133186Kris is the dragon though. Only character the Princess Ribbon gloves fit on, and Gerson looks at Kris when saying "You're the dragon."
>>4133187That's a red herring.
>>4133188Expecting the literal lizard to be the dragon is a red herring, just like expecting the literal reindeer with a black katana to be the Knight is a red herring.
>>4133186It's funny how you can spend 50 hours watching Kris betray his team and come to the conclusion that Susie is the one pretending.
>>4133189That's also a red herring though.
>>4133180darkners aren't people, most of them were queen's minions and shit like pop ups and tasks in a task manager anyways, no one will shed a tear for a scam ad like addison, berdly isn't actually dead anyways, and noelle getting strong and becoming assertive and independant is good
I've seen people bring up how Asgore seems to believe in God rather than the Angel, but he's not alone in thisI checked and, while many characters will say "oh my god" in lowercase, the following characters talk about God with a capital G and thus are Christians>Asgore>Pizzapants>Tenna>Seam>Bratty (sometimes uses lowercase, but does use capital once)
>>4133199Fucking incredible mental gymnastics, I'm truly impressed.
>>4133202Maybe God is another way to say Angel in the Hometown religion
>>4132509Trying to force a ship while (You) are watching IS bad, it's sickening voyeurism. But this also applies to Suselle and Krusie.This is the usual trope in any story-driven adventure that Deltarune is trying to subvert as of late. There can't be any true, authentic love while (You) are there. Kriselle might have been a real thing before the player was connected to the game, this is precisely the reason why Kris does his best not to show you anything about his intimate life, not even his real gender, because you would ruin it as soon as you laid your eyes on it.
>>4133207This is ultimately just a microcosm of the inevitable contradictory "golden end" conclusion to Deltarune.You'll be told you need to let them go to live their happiest lives, to be away from you after you've served your grand purpose of creating a new future, but Toby also says you need to IMAGINE what comes next for them, thus meaning to reinsert yourself into their lives, taking away their privacy.
>>4133203they arent
>>4133209that's called broken aesop btw, it's a common enough occurence that you cant possibly deny this conclusion is gonna be impossiblehttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenAesop
I was playing a game called gentown yesterday where you control a civilization, if you run things poorly enough they lose faith in you and you can no longer control them, but the game can still continue if you choose to stay in that world. Deltarune would never have this kind of ending, but it's an interesting thought, as the characters rely on their own programming to continue existing in the world and your part in it as observer is entirely optional.
>>4133080Kris is gender neutral so it's not even rule 63 to portray them as a girl, plus that's not even supposed to be Kris but human Noelle.
>>4133213is it possible to burn that civilization down after they stop trusting you? itd be the same sort of thing that could redeem deltarune's treatment of (you)
>SpookyDood made a video on Kratience>his main point is that he doesn't know what that means plotwise so its just a pointless theory and he doesn't like itHmmmmm... I feel like "the story isn't telling us anything" doomers were right the whole time...
>>4133216You can regain their trust over time and fuck them up again if you want
>>4133217I've noticed spookydood just dismisses a lot of majorly accepted theories just because he personally dislikes it or just doesn't get itDid he even get something right in his predictions?
>>4133217No what's funnier is that he said it's probably true but that it sucks because Kressel is better
>>4133217All existing theories mean nothing plotwise. DessKnight for example makes the plot make *less* sense.
>>4132989I don't save Kriselle art nor do I even have a folder, it's all unordered art baby!
>>4133221EVERY Knight theory makes less sense right now. That's the thing, it's a situation that fundamentally requires Toby to lay it all out for us, and only THEN will prior context feel obvious in hindsight, just like how even if you determined "Flowey = Asriel" before it was said, you still don't know HOW he turned into this psycho flower and it makes "less sense" if Flowey was originally this sweet little goat boy, but it only makes "less sense" before you understood what he went through.
>>4133219a broken clock is right twice a day, it doesnt mean much
>>4133020Orange canonically is a cute human girl, though?
>>4133073Gayest anon ITT.
>>4133107Fake and extremely gay.
>>4133157No because Toby and his team don't hate Suselle, that's just cope.
>>4133181Probably because the actual fountain was divided between the main hall and the lobby.
>>4133217Spookydood is the reason we were cursed with woodyshit, he has no room to speak.
>>4133219he got something vaguely right and then tried to humble brag about it, can't remember what specifically and i dont give enough of a shit to check
>>4133217Kratience is a pointless theory because "Kris lost their original soul" is already a theory that preceeded it and doesn't need it. Kratience is just "Kris lost their original soul and they're cyan"
>>4133236Everything points towards Kris's soul being forcibly changed, whether as a direct result of THAT DAY or a procedure performed after making the promise he's beholden to. "original soul" fags are just holdovers from the Kris Knight+Two Sinks era of theorizing.
>>4133236Kratience is a very themes and such theory but it's okay i like it, especially if it involves making Kris the UT Patience human.
>>4133236Kris's soul wasn't lost. It changed into the red one.
>>4133238What does that change in practice compared to Kris' soul always being red and is now controlled by you instead
>>4132989>Post your kriselle foldersFiles 2529Size 1.09 GB
>>4133244There is one rapist in that picture.
>>4133243It finally offers a potential venue to explain why the red soul color is so special beyond "it's the player's color" because Kris's soul has presumably been red since before you even entered the picture, given the fact that there's a pre-existing bloodstain on the bedroom floor and the birdcage the soul's kept in is already battered from repeated roughness.
Why was Dess such a determinationfag? Did she think the other soul natures were cringe?
>>4133244I don't believe you, Anon. Please upload your folder to mega or litterbox and link it here so that I may verify your claim.
>>4133041>>4133085All of this kind of weird stuff just makes me believe that the world of Deltarune is a simulation or some other flavor of artificial, where most characters are just playing out some predetermined routines, and anything that can be an obstacle to that is simply ignored as much as possible.Maybe this is just part of the meta-commentary, some kind of, yes of course it's artificial, it's a videogame after all, or something like that?
>>4133248How would she even know about soul natures? There are no humans in Hometown besides Kris.
>>4133251If Kris' stupid ass soul was cyan couldn't have Kris taken it out once? They live in a world where human souls are plushie toys you can buy on walmart surely that means it's not uncommon to see a soul and if she was such a soulfag she must've been curious to see Kris ripping their soul out at least once, which Kris pretended to do to scare Noelle
>>4133252>If Kris' stupid ass soul was cyanHeadcanon
>>4133249>I don't believe you, AnonWhy would I lie? There's no point.>Please upload your folder to mega or litterbox and link it here so that I may verify your claim.Sorry, that would require too much time.
>>4133253canon to everyone with reading comprehension like dessknight and femkris
The Soul debacle is quite fun because it can only end in one way, that being that Toby did something in the game for no reason, or as a deliberate red herring. If Kris's soul is not cyan, then it means the scenes in chapter 5 where Aqua gets colored red, and where Asgore talks about the past and the Asgore shown there goes from yellow to red, were all done for no reason, or as away to trick the player. If Kris's soul is cyan, then it means this >>4133248 was done for those reasons too.
>>4133245Yeah it's right behind the cute human girl.
>>4133256*AFAB Kris
>>4133255Twas a jest. I just wanted to take a peek at the folder.
>>4133252We have heart shaped plushies in real life, too. That's not that weird.
>>4133257>deliberate red herringLike usual, then.>chapter 1 ending scene>flower man prophecy panel>Mike(s)
>>4133259Nonbinary Kris is also headcanon because nothing's ever been stated to confirm that Kris is nonbinary. And no, "they/them" does not automatically equate nonbinary.
>>4133257That's the issue of treating Deltarune like a fair mystery to be solved and not a hype moments and aura anime and JRPG inspired story where bullshit plot twists happen because of the law of cool
>>4133261Our heart shapes are just representative shapes, their heart shape is exactly what their soul looks like. It'd be like if the four chambered muscle organ was a popular plushy was super popular in our world
>>4133107I don't believe it because all of those points are extremely plausible and also don't tell much.
>>4133232There were 2 fountains, though. One in the lobby and one in the main room. Both made by the Knight.
>>4133263You don't believe Nonbinary people exist not even a hard statement would convince you
>>4133270All Toby has to do to finally put nearly 10 years of misinformation to rest is say "Kris is nonbinary" in some shape or form, whether Word of God from himself or a statement ingame.Please remember that nonbinary is not uttered once ingame, nor is it treated as a genuine option in the Seth gender crisis cafe scene, in fact Green is jokingly referred to solely as "chef" despite being another supposed nonbinary character.
>>4133269The first fountain is smaller than the last fountain, it's possible it was one fountain that got separated into two by the door locking
>>4133271Profoundly disingenuousI will not have this conversation with you
>>4133272Is it, though? There is no precedent for that. And we've already seen 2 fountains in adjacent rooms in chapter 1.
>>4133274If we aren't owed that direct statement, why are we owed constant direct confirmations that characters like Susie and Noelle are girls, and that Ralsei is a boy? Why aren't they ALSO referred to exclusively as they/them because "it's obvious from context clues, you don't need someone to spell it out for you" just like how it's "obvious" with Kris?
>>4133275The precedent is the first fountain being smaller (not the dark world, the fountain itself). Feel free to give another explanation for that
>>4133277It's the fountain's mini-me
>>4133265To be fair Noelle doesn't seem to recognize it as a soil plushie so maybe people don't know how souls actually look in canon outside of knowers.
>>4133269I'm pretty sure the main hall fountain is the "real" one and it leaked into the lobby, isn't that what Ralsei said?
>>4133294I'm about to drop a soil plushie all over her date with Susie
I really, really like being a third wheel to yuri ships. Shove it down my throat and put it in every game.
>>4133302Especially if I'm playing as another girl.
>>4133255Anon, why were you awake at 4 a.m.? Don't you have anything better to do than thinking about Kris and Noelle making out?
My butt itches. This is surely part of Toby's plan to ruin my life.
>>4133244I want to have heterosexual vaginal sex with loli Noelle so badly...
>>4133320Kris will stop you
>>4133305>non canon timezone
>>4133320This but Frisk, Chara and Aqua
>>4133106"You're right to call me out, Susie, and that's why what you just said was so cutting. When one of your teammates is secretly working behind your back, completing the mission and defeating the weird route becomes a matter of if, not when. So that's why I'm taking accountability. Here's why I betrayed you —no hedging, no fluff, no convoluted "just-so" justifications. It wasn't malice, it was pragmatism. I didn't hate you Susie, I hated the truth. When Noelle disappeared on that day and became lost girl, that was when the record broke. Before, it was marching down our own paths without even knowing where they're going. Now? It's something new. A record glitch. And that's the terrifying part."
>>4133328No love for Kris?
>This is what Krisellefags want unironically
>>4133154Sure hope he isn't allowed to touch the dq5 remake.
>>4133342Why would he randomly be present for the development of some game he's never touched before
>>4133345Good question. Why was he present for the ff7 remake, where it has his writing all over it?
Is there any theory that explains why does Susie have a special status that allows her to impose her agency against You and the story? We have the Susie Gaster memes and Issue as connections, but nothing that actually points out *why* is Susie inherently special. She looks as much like a normal NPC than anyone else in the game.
>>4133346He wasn't.>but the characters know how the story is supposed to go!Other people can think about meta stuff.
>>4133348Because she's a virus.
>>4133351Is there any evidence beyond Susie = Issue that tells us Susie is a virus?
>>4133334Maybe if kid Kris is actually confirmed to be Aqua-like. There's lots of programming for male Kris in my mind that needs to be broken first.
>>4133329Lol. CoL would unironically prefer this.
>>4133348The only agency she has show is against you and that's because of her personality. She doesn't have special powers to break the prophecy.
>>4133329>You look at Susie, **really** look.
>>4133320This but with Kris
>>4133360She has a bad personality. When's she gonna do her homework and fix up her pants, eh?
>>4133329Thank you GTP darkner
>>4133359CoL unironically hates Susie
>>4133360Susie is meta commentary about the illusion of choice. Her moments of overwriting the player dialogue box don't matter. It was already written in the story this was the predetermined outcome in the Prophecy. Your Choices Don't MatterShe's basically enacting the fake Yes/No choices lots of RPGs have that are completely meaningless and change nothing. Ultimately Susie's story is tragic because in the end she's the most clueless of all NPCs, unlike Noelle, she cannot realize she's just a Susie and the tragedy will come to pass because she never had the power to change fate in a rigged game.
>>4133377Dunno, it might be more subversive if the tragedy doesn't come to pass.
>>4133377Well it's not like Noelle is gonna end up much better.
>>4133368He hates Kris being a FUCKING TRAITOR more.
>>4133377>Ultimately Susie's story is tragic because in the end she's the most clueless of all NPCs, unlike Noelle, she cannot realize she's just a Susie and the tragedy will come to pass because she never had the power to change fate in a rigged game.This is why I can't bring myself to hate Susie. She's so deep in denial and maybe stupid that she might not ever realize these things or think too deeply about what makes her uncomfortable. She will never realize just how bad a hand she's been dealt in what she thought were the best days of her life, where her "power" is entirely preordained and only used to further limit and trap others under the guise of freedom. I think the most heart-wrenching future is one where she unknowingly brings the final tragedy through her own actions or otherwise becomes the villain of the story, not understanding where this path leads until it's too late. For added pain she causes a timeloop at the end in an attempt to remedy her mistake because she wants to constantly relive the most fun and connection she's ever had, while hoping somewhere along the way all of it could be averted and everyone can enjoy a proper future together.
>>4133386I can, she is ruining the game and making it less fun.
>>4133382She will not. Noelle in her blind ecstasy to change her future will end up destroying herself. The only choice is to play or to not play, and refusing to play means there is no Noelle.
>>4133386>She's so deep in denial and maybe stupid that she might not ever realize these things or think too deeply about what makes her uncomfortable.Ironically in that way she's a close parallel to the people who are most angry about Deltarune and about meta stories in general. Like CoL. People who think the way stories are "just is" who see every question as something scary, potentially dangerous, to their status quo.
>>4133391Maybe some people don't want the entertainment they pay for to be ruined by people who hate it. I don't want the writers touching my favorite things, they came with bad intentions from the start.
>>4133393People who don't see the status quo as immutable law are not automatically hateful of the entire genre.
>>4133389Well good thing I don't care if she lives or dies!
>>4133394Right. I'm sure the fellas who run star wars thought the same thing. Lucas should never have sold out to people who hated his work from the start.
>>4133393CoL, people told you to play Dragon Quest so you'd have fun playing a game you actually enjoy and forget about how much you hate Deltarune. Instead, you're now obsessively fearing how Toby Fox is going to destroy the game you like in his personal vendetta against you, in the franchise known for being the most conservative JRPG in structure there is. Toby Fox lives rent free in your head. You are actually a paranoid schizophrenic who needs to take medication ASAP
>>4133399I do both at the same timeBut hey at least I'm not a sports fan, take it from me, they're worse
Do people here really believe in the jewish pedophile gender nonsense?
Imagine backing a football team that sucks, that you know has sucked for decades, and still popping in for every game while yelling so loud the whole neighborhood cam hear when they fail.
>>4133402>jewishHave you ever seen pagans, you lying fuck
>>4133403I do this. All Eurofags do...
>>4133397That's different because the people making Star Wars now are stupid.
>>4133417Jokes on you, your childhood doe wife was promised to you by the BibleProverbs 5:19
>>4133320Kris...
>>4133348I think it's more of Kris allowing her to feel like a protagonist for wathever reasonKris lied about his house being locked so they could go into the churchKris told her to make a fountainKris dips down when she asks him in aborted to prevent the breakupAnd i'm sure there's more examples, i dunno what the fuck Kris is trying to do, but the one thing for sure is that Kris forces Susie to go into darkworlds and make her play a role
Sounds like shit that doesn't need me present for it
The mix of woke and chud culture of 2026 has been a disaster for Internet culture
>>4133448It was inevitable after woke was allowed to trample on everything
>>4133450That should have grown more segregation instead of dissolving it. This is all this shit site's fault and youtubers shilling this site in their videos for easy views
>>4133446Because Kris is also using you, especially to close fountainsWhen you put the thorn right back it's actually more of Kris pissed that you are messing his plan, and you do cuz you prevent ch5 fountain that he has to make
>>4133423Thanks, Anon!
>>4133452Sounds like it would have been nice, if ch5 actually had a game to play to compensate, but no, Robert just gave up on the weird route outright
Imagine just sitting there completely stationary saying nothing while a whole dark world goes on while you say nothing and do nothing the entire time? That is the extent of the role-playing of deltarune chapter 5.
>>4133386Susie is Toby's favorite so I doubt he will make such a tragic end for her.
>>4133402You're on 4chan, the same website that holds /pol/
>>4133448>>4133451It's actually Twitter's fault. This website is currently irrelevant, even the sharty memes are spreading more nowadays.
>>4133454You will be rewarded in ch8 side c
>>4133459The man can't even program a dojo for practice.
>>4133454How would a ch5 weird route even work? Flower world exists to nostalgiabait Susie after the suselle scene.There is no Suselle scene here.
>>4133464Kris and Noelle go insteadget this, just dont have kris make fucking fountains, this offers nothing
>>4133466or, they save the lake scene for the end of the day, instead of skipping the entire festival like cowards
>>4133458All the tranny-chud faggots at Twitter use this site though, they are amalgamates grown from frequenting /pol/ and Discord servers at the same time
>>4133461You will get full a dojo with harder versions of each boss in ch9
anything to skip that god awful suselle shitthrash your date's ass? are you out of your mind? you sold that to children.
>>4133466>Kris and Noelle go insteadStill no reason for them to go there.>get this, just dont have kris make fucking fountains, this offers nothingI disagree. Flower and TV were good looks inside Kris' brain, which you won't get otherwise cause he's doing information retention.>>4133467>or, they save the lake scene for the end of the day, instead of skipping the entire festival like cowardsDo you REALLY want 15-30 minutes of Susie trying to romance Noelle, who is already obsessive over Kris at that point, while Krismas is depressed and cut descriptions the whole time?
>>4133470anon, that's harmless in comparison to the lake scene that pops up later
>>4133472well forgive me if i dont exactly like the idea of what 'thrashing your dates ass" sounds like
>>4133468A lot of the chuds are using shitty AI sharty memes, this place is dying.
>>4133473Image is inaccurate, Susie should be the one with a black eye and frostbite
>>4133471What I REALLY want is Kris and Noelle at the festival together, to make all the time spent waiting for this pile of shit to be worth it.Something of value instead of the nothing that it was, Toby Fox doesn't care anymore, all that was for nothing.
Why do y'all care so much about romance?>KrusiePurple dino prefers the doe. >KriselleLiterally a failed dream. >SuselleThey love each other's persona, not the real selves. Based on real/weird Noelle the ship is also doomed.>anything involving RalseiFucker is getting sealed in another world forever. More death flags than Rudy.
>>4133477Because I hate homosexuality, i dont find it attractive and the perverted writers shoved it into the main story already. they started it by adding something that didnt need to be there, and the shit is spreading
>>4133476>What I REALLY want is Kris and Noelle at the festival together, to make all the time spent waiting for this pile of shit to be worth it.Meh. That would be too vanilla romantic, and frankly unrealistic since Kris wouldn't be into it.
>>4133480Do it anyway, faggot.
>>4133477I dunno man, because you are forced to witness a romance in ch5 maaaaybe?Like i get it, shippers are annoying, but tobert insist that it's important enough that you can't skip it, so people of course will discuss about it
>>4133481I'm playing WR for dark and toxic romance. Festival did its part.
>>4133483you mean the shit that ended in 10 minutes and wont even continue because robert gave up?
>>4133484Did ERAM rape toby and 7b is actually dragon quest 7?
>>4133483said dark and toxic romance went nowhere in chapter 3, was barely present for chapter 4, and ch5 just gave up out of spite
>>4133479Kris is a they/them and flirts with everyone. They gay.
>>4133487kris is boye
>noooo 7B isn't going to be real Toby gave up on the weird routelmao
I'm really curious on how Toby will deal with the flowers in 7B. Will he make the Flower dark world a complete UT geno parallel (darkners "evacuating", a flower helping you along the way, oneshotted bosses etc)?
>>4133500noelle will pluck each flower for a bouquet and break the mew mew figurine for the shadow crystal, all in the light world
>>4133503>Noellelol, lmao.
>>4133503Yeaaah that's why Noelle is smiling with a bouquet of flowers in the crystal, it's the flowers after Noelle genoslide them, it's gonna be so epic vros
>>4133498Yeah, just like chapter 5, he literally ended it with a "lol come back when the game's over"
>>4133504I wonder what ERAM is trying to achieve. I doubt they want the prophecy to fail, cause that would destroy both worlds and kill them too, unless they don't care and just want to have fun. Maybe ERAM is just like Ramb and just wants Kris to have fun again, though their idea of fun involves hurting others. Maybe ERAM saw Kris bullying Noelle as a form of love. Or maybe ERAM is the demon Kris summoned with Catti instead of the SOUL.
>>4133507>genoslide themthat would be too cool, that's why I said light worldmore cutscenes for the cutscene route
>>4133488... in your headcanon, CoL.
>>4133510Eram is just That Feeling again
>>4133512Better than Robert's headcanon, the one that's sees a market of straight men and decides to shove the homoshit into their faces and expect them to be thankful for it.
>>4133500>>4133503I'm almost certain that the entire world will be plunged into darkness in both chapter 7s so they will already be in their Dark World forms.
>>4133510I think Eram is a parallel to the Player like Flowey was. Just someone who loves to watch the characters suffer and become worse and worse.
>>4133524Flowey is not a parallel to the player though. I killed Undyne because I hated her, and I killed muffet because I hated her, and I killed mettaton because I hated him. And I killed Flowey, because I hated him and I didnt want him to come back.
>>4133526He's a parallel to normal players, not contrarian 4channer #4324.
Oompa loompa doopity deeHometown was created in entry 17Oompa loompa doopity deeWithout w.d gaster we would all be free
>>4133527OKThe normal player doesn't like these guys either, what then.
>>4133526Yeah Flowey did that you're nothing special.
>>4133456there are two types of people when it comes to favorite characters.the kind that effectively pampers them by writing them in constant happy fun time scenarios...and the type that wants to explore how they'd react in any scenario.toby is the latter, do you think that he added genocide because he hated undertale's cast?no, he did it because he loves them and wants (you) to see how they react in that situation.susie's fucking DOOMED.
Wow, I didn't know a Dragon Quest hero killing monsters because they're evil and want to kill humans and say it multiple times are the same as a crazy flower without a soul. Thanks for the riveting commentary on the Jrpg protagonist, Toby Fox!
>>4133526Flowey is a parallel to the players who are actually sentient, yeah.>>4133538You don't kill monsters because they're evil, you do it because it's part of progressing.
>>4133548The players who are actually sentient all played pacifist first and cried like babies whem they killed a single one?
>>4133548I dunno about you, I remember as early as the first game, how you can give the Dragonlord your sword and end the game right then and there instead of fighting him, or even better, handing Princess Gwaelin over to him. It is a choice to kill the Dragonlord or not.
>>4133534Toby makes games because he hates gamers and loves yuri.
>>4133548>You don't kill monsters because they're evil, you do it because it's part of progressing.Sometimes I feel like immersion is an unknown concept for some people in this thread
>>4133551Generally, no. Flowey grew to parallel an actual player as he came to treat his life and world as a game, a set of roughly fixed events to see every possible outcome to. That took time.
>>4133556Immersion doesn't require you to ascribe real world moral weight and value to in-game decisions. A story is a story.
>>4133558Then undertale and deltarune shouldn't moralfag about fighting
>>4133534by this logic, toby loves berdly more than toriel, undyne and asgore
>>4133560They don't. The premise of these games is that the characters aren't cardboard cutouts that sit and politely act out their "part" in the game completely unresponsive to your actions.
>>4133564i wouldnt say more. but yes, toby definitely likes berdly.he's a silly character that gets notable screentime in his chapter, has a spotlight moment with a character growth moment that gets completely misinterpreted, and you get to see his reaction as you murder him.
>>4133568Yeah. It's just that for the player instead expected to be the cutout
>>4133573Yep, just like every other game in history, your only real choices as player are whether you want to continue and occasionally whether you want to skip some bits.
>>4133578Don't directly call it out then That is an attack ,it's malicious
>>4133528My mission: kill the demiurge, marry Kris, have (You) as the wedding witness,said Noelle Holiday
>>4133579That which can be destroyed by the truth should be.
>>4133578Not an adventure game then. Not a role-playing game either. The writers lied. The writers shouldn't be trying to make their paying customers feel like a cutout who does nothing. You are taking their entertainment away if they are not allowed to be the hero in the hero adventure game. >>4133583And you have the nerve to say I should play something else when said "something else" is on the plate just waiting to be subverted(while you cheer it on, no doubt). How dare you take my entertainment away.
>>4133583
gaster got more discussion in the UT era than today
>>4133585Then no game is adventure or role-playing. No game turns you into the protagonist. You play as them. Their role is always, always, 1000000% fixed. In every game. Always. Playing a game does not create anything, it only takes you along paths others made.
>>4133587Well yeah, because we didn't have this impossibly vast, grandiose role for him that made him unfathomable, he was just secret lore with notable connections to some of the cast.
When the raped is running lowAnd the cope start to grow
a depressing thought: chapter 5 may have been the last chapter with new fuckable character designs
>>4133585Undertale is a role playing game.You are roleplaying a quasi-silent protag, who happens to be named Frisk or Chara.Deltarune is the one game who refuses the player to play the role of Kris.
>>4133588Then don't say that these people aren't here with malicious intent. If I want to play as a hero in an rpg, who is Robert F. Fox to take that away if I'm willing to pay?You cannot tell me to go play Dragon Quest while saying that Dragon Quest should be subverted at the expense of its players in the same breath.>your entertainment is not being subverted...buuuuuuut i want to subvert it so bad
>>4133588CoL is everything wrong with gen Z. Unable to do anything else than wallow in passivity, playing video games or watching porn, thinking these actions are more productive than their real life counterparts. And then he spends days lamenting himself and portraying himself as a victim, because there's nothing else he knows how to do.
>>4133455but...but... i emptied the pool with ralsei...
>>4133527CoL is a special 4channer.
>>4133534Toby doesn't give his loved ones only suffering, he balances it out. Genocide cannot exist without pacifist, a high doesn't exist without a low. Weird is already the route Susie suffers by having Noelle stolen from her, so normal has to be good for her.
>>4133607No way, ERAM is going to be a shapeshifter that will satisfy every person thanks to the personalization of the goner maker, they will look exactly how you want them to be!!!!Not existing included kek
>>4133619This may come as a surprise to you, but I don't actually like watching porn, it's fake, and fucking an actual girl is objectively betterAnd you don't know what your talking about, what if someone likes watching football because they used to play, but can't anymore because of old age, you got a problem with that too? I don't, people watch sports for entertainment, for their own fun.
>>4133638I don't understand the point of watching sports either. But then I wasn't born in a country and in a time where watching your football team could feel like you were cheering on people that were just like you, since now football is ethnodiverse big money extravaganza and the very notion of country is fluid.
>>4133587Sans fangirls are stronger than any current Deltababy
>>4133607There could be a regular sexy enemy still. And maybe Eram's design is good? But yeah, we reached the peak.
>>4133613Dragon Quest isn't being subverted by the existence of another game that forces you to actually think about the fact that you aren't really in the game.
>puts a new red herring every two minutes of gameplay>"akchually you don't have all the elements to solve my mysutery"Why do commies like this snake oil salesman again?
>>4133653Because he didn't do that.
>>4133154I can't believe Suselle get to be the good guys just by virtue of being gae
>>4133655He didn't put red herrings? How come there are some for every possible knight candidates then?
>>4133587There's not much to say about big GSurely there will be more fuckery like NormalNPC in the next chapter, but I'd like it to feel like it was planned long in advance and not be like the Pink lore drop, even though I know Toby and his goons are basically improving the rest of the story now
>>4133688Damn I hope they improve the story, that's a good thing.
>>4133650I dont need to think about that, its a game, a toy and you have no right to force me to think about that when im playing my games, ever.
There's a lot of strange anons in these threads but the one that constantly claims that Deltarune's point is to show that videogames are completely worthless and a waste of time is not someone I would have expected to find.
>>4133763Isn't that just CoL as well?
>>4133348susie is an anagram for issue, she's an anomaly to the prophecy and replaced noelle, in order for things to truly end well, the issues must be corrected
>>4133769No, CoL is the guy who replies to him, while often claiming Toby is spearheading some kind of conspiracy to subvert all JRPGs.
>>4133769isn't CoL the guy who believes that toby is going after his favorite RPGs? im pretty sure he's the guy obsessed with that and not the guy saying that deltarune is showing that every game is worthless
>>4133770>susie is an anagram for issueYou gotta be fucking kidding me, was that really the answer all along? So the eggs are related to Susie in some way too?
if CoL short for Cfemkris anonL?if so then he's me
>>4133348Because she's Gaster's OC. There's a reason her Undertale counterpart might as well not even exist because "Suzy" is only mentioned by a Gaster follower, unlike the Holidays who canonically exist in Undertale, just offscreen..
>>4133688Toby is on break
>>4133772>>4133773Okay, I'm getting it all mixed up then (epic Deltarune reference here)
>>4133763I still don't understand how my claims come across anything like that. They're only as much of a "waste of time" as any other entertainment. You're just not in them. You don't enact change over them by playing them. They're works of fiction that you engage with. You can change them, but then you're not engaging with the same work.
>>4133150Pretty sure Amy Rose is older
>>4133763Amazing how you guy memory hole things we already discussed IN THIS VERY SAME THREAD:>>4132561>>Why am I working on games instead of out there fighting?>This is also in the context of Saint George Floyd's death>>I think entertainment can be like mental medicineToby may not hate videogames but he sure has complicated feelings with the concept of escapism.
>>4133805Because this entire article was written by someone who ignored half or more of Undertale and I trust them to represent it and Toby about as well as I trust the average janny
>>4133807>I'm gonna ignore his own quotes that came from the man himself
>>4133808I'm going to ignore what someone says about Stalin when Stalin is in the room, yes.
>>4133809That's not the retarded interviewer it's the GUY HIMSELF saying what he thinks.
>>4133811The interviewer is the one I'm calling Stalin here. Toby's answer sounds like a cop out to me. Like he found a way to sound enthusiastic enough to get the interviewer to drop the point.
>>4133813I keep saying it that this was a time where EVERYONE with clout had to announce their support for Floyd and BLM or else they'd get crucified for racism, and Toby had no choice but to kowtow or else he'd lose all of his favor from the snowflakes and even normalfags who are ALSO scared of being seen as racist because it'll rape their job opportunities and social status.
>>4133815>getting crucified for racismThat doesn't work on anyone anymoreYou can call them terrorists, anon. Or you can call them what I call them, which is 'banderlogs'.
>>4133815He could have just said nothing like he always had before that point and remained unscathed, instead of having this permanent taint on his record.
>>4133815>toby "pass on every identity politics question in this retarded interview" fox needing to virtue signalHe fucked up with the BLM shit. The end results show since the cracks from that incident now opened him up to criticism for his works including the chapter 4 weird route flower and the entirety of chapter 5.
>>4133821>>4133823You twats literally memoryholed how the climate was back then. Fuckers with even an ounce of fame were getting ostracized and demonized LEFT AND RIGHT for not openly proclaiming their sorrow at Fent Floyd's death and public support of Black Lives Matter, because in the eyes of the climate, silence was approval of the cop who killed him, which meant you were a white supremacist Neo KKK member.
>>4133827You also forgot who Toby was, and how before that point in time, he was impervious to controversy. That's what made his virtue signalling so jarring even back then.
>>4133827>THANKS TO YOUR [Jackass Stunts], I'VE [BECOMED] NEO!
>>4133827Even then it was just as retarded as supporting Islamic terror now.Imagine needing the approval of these literal terrorists.
>And in today's episode, /v/ once again pretends Toby Fox wasn't always a liberal!
>>4133829Yeah, but he couldn't get away with it this time. He already built a network of Tumblrites around him just from the fact he was involved in Homestuck, and they would have demanded his head on a pike if he didn't weigh in.
>>4133832He wasn't always a militant leftist who supports America's enemies financially.
>>4133832He was always a leftist. He also used to be someone who could predict how people would react and avoid shit that would fuck with his image.
>>4133837His image is that of a radical leftist, though. This shit will be remembered by people who aren't so quick to forgive this. He is not influential enough to evade actual punishment.
>>4133832Anyone who ever talked about liking lolis knows they don't belong with that type.
>>4133832I bet this sounded clever in your head, obsessed /utg/troon.
>>4133840All of them are degenerates underneath the performative purity. Every last one. They've just decided they needed to look better than the other guys by pretending they're more morally sound than those who are caricaturized as screaming idiots who can't stop saying niggerfaggot.
>>4132561>Fox's sequel to Undertale, is pretty explicit in its moral messaging that it's okay to fight back against a violent oppressoDeltarune's message is le marxism.Don't the nazis like that too? And the islamists?Almost like they all share the same ideology deep down
>>4132753>>4132853Do you guys think Toby faps to Kris, Frisk and Chara?
I like Aqua.
>>4133846Pretty sure Toby thought of MURDERBOY as a male. Likely Kris too, despite the they/them shenanigans.
>>4133848Early in development sure, before anything was actually finalized, but the tragedy of Chara and Asriel only makes sense if Chara's a girl with how romantic Asriel's view on Chara is, and Toby doesn't do gay relationships that are anything but purely squeaky clean UwU wholesome.
>>4133849By that logic you could argue Kris is female too, given that Noelle is a lesbian who had a childhood crush on Kris.
>>4133851Noelle is straight with a love for human boys
>>4133849Spamtenna already debunks he only makes uwu wholesome gays.>bbbut it's not confirmedNeither is Chasriel
>>4133807>>4133813That's just cope, man. Toby already showed in previous interviews that he can skip questions he doesn't like to answer. Everything he said was legit, this was around the same time as his infamous tweet.>>4133815The interview seems to suggest Toby did all that out of his own will. People need to let go of this based and redpilled version of Toby in their heads
>>4133832It's almost like one of his favorite games ever is Mother 3 which is full of commie wank
>>4133854>Neither is ChasrielI don't think Asriel would say that he'd literally rather die than live in a world without love, a world without Chara, as if the two are one in the same, if there wasn't SOME romantic intention behind it.Spamtenna also has the problem of coming from nu-Toby, who loves shipbaiting his fans, rather than making anything earnest.
I wonder how badly Toby suffers from troll's remorse.
>>4133858What a shit game on all fronts thoughAnyone who even played earthbound has no reason to like it.
>>4133861Not a whole lot, considering he went from being ashamed of Halloween Hack to openly referencing it ("Eat dirt, losers." and "I'm old!")
>>4133851nta but yes i agree
>>4133827There's plenty of shit both before and after he could've been pressured to talk about and he never did. That plus the interview shows that he genuinely felt for the situation.
>>4133815You're talking about the same guy who recently, out of nowhere, just randomly posted a pro-feminist picture. He's a full on super leftoid.
>>4133832That's the same reason the "ghost writers" cope exists nowadays. >>4133840Woke lolicons are actually a thing nowadays.
>>4133857>>4133869Never said Toby was super based and redpilled hard-righter, you're misconstruing my point. He built up the reputation of a liberal douche, and Fent Floyd was the ultimate point in which he needed to show he was true to this identity. If he kept quiet, his kin would've smelled blood in the waters and assumed him a poser who just wanted to grift off of leftist pandering, and not a man who can put his words and money where it matters.
>>4133875His kin kill themselves most of the time, imagine valuing their opinionsNo wait they kill other people before they kill themselves, I forgotWhat's taking him so long to just come out and say he supports IRGC, that's what it means to be a leftist now.
>>4133846Frisk and Chara yes, unironically. I think the east fanart genuinely influenced him. Kris I'm not so sure because there isn't much art of them. Probably some. >>4133848Even if that were true that's not stopping him, Toby is clearly bi.
>>4133880Their opinions might be dogshit, but his closest confidants likely have his dirty laundry, and can make him out to be a sex pest or a pedo, the ultimate death sentence for reputation if they feel he's No True Scotsman.
>>4133886And they support Islamic terror too. What's taking him so longWhy can't he just say he's the west's enemy already
"Susie. The truth is... The Kris you know isn't really Kris. The original Kris. A strange force possesses them, even now. We know them as... [Player]. You can think of them as the embodiment of an external will. Like a player, almost""Oh yeah flowery told me about it lol"3 netanyahillion more dollars to Toby cucks
>>4133886in that case he fucked himself by hiring some of the people he didiirc the bitch who ruined the life of the skullgirls guy is part of the team, for some godforsaken reason
>>4133891My guy, Robert literally wants all jews deadHe supports all their enemies
>>4133847Me too my man.
>>4133875Or he just felt actually offended by it like all other evidence shows, which is easier to believe than a conspiracy theory that requires everyone to be lying when Toby is already plenty woke himself.
>>4133895young kris in the LISA artstyle would kris and buddy get along or would the latter just bully the shit out of kris
>>4133881>Even if that were true that's not stopping him, Toby is clearly bi.Doesn't mean he thinks of Kris/Frisk/Chara as lolis when fapping to them.
>>4133897Both can be true. He can be genuinely upset about Floyd, but he can also feel the pressure from his kin to be vocal about it instead of staying distant from the matter and venting his frustration in private.
Cute
>>4133864>to openly referencing it ("Eat dirt, losers."He could go all the way to really prove he's not remorseful.
>>4133907He's saving it for Gaster, who's the clear Halloween Hack Andonuts expy. Susie gets Faggots-lite privileges because she's his OC Donut Steel.
>>4133906Pre-Ch.5 speculah was kino, back when people expected the festival to be a somethingburger.
>>4133906>purpleI think Seth was the only one that true nailed all the aspects of the UT human counterpart.Everyone else doesn't really follow all their things.
>>4133909Gaster seems like a game dev self-insert to me, moreso than the Annoying Dog.
>>4133915So just as a much of an anti-rpg hack
Is YIIK better at being an RPG than Deltarune?
>>4133919Yiik is better at being a meme
>>4133899I don't think that post is implying that, plus art of Chara as a shota is extremely rare. He could still fap to them as lolis despite seeing them otherwise, it's not uncommon for that to happen, just look at Bowsette or Malfoid.
>>4133919it's YIIKsselent!
>>4133919Deltarune will only surpass it when you can tell Noelle NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR DEAD SISTER
>>4133893Stop trying to shill for Jews in 4chan of all places, CoL.
>>4133900I think based on the fact he didn't comment on any other political thing I genuinely think it came from his heart, not pressure.
Pretending you know all of Toby Fox's personal convictions is equally as parasocial as acting like he's your imaginary best friend
>>4133922Imagine being Toby Fox and having access to higher up nips who can draw high quality loli and/or shota art of his characters to masturbate to...
>>4133934I only assume what he has publicly stated.
>>4133934So is pretending that you know Toby Fox has some deep vendetta against YOUR favorite genre and is actively influencing the entire industry to worsen that genre in order to kill it off.
>>4133934what if toby raped my imaginary best friend?why would he do this? he needs to take responsibility
>>4133906>>4133913Before 5 came out I genuinely thought all the flowers were going to be more like flowers rather than humans. I didn't expect Toby to just make them literal humans with barely any flower traits. Ironically enough this fan design was also based on the author's interpretation of the six souls but they still look like plants.
>>4133934My assumptions are based on what he said rather than pretending everything is a lie.
>>4133941So does a majority of the world given how many fans across the globe love Undertale and Deltarune.You're fighting a losing battle. Give up. There won't be justice for your cousins from decades ago. They were RAPED and KILLED and there's NOTHING you can do about it, the world CHEERS for the man who funds the murderers.
>>4133919Alex would have completed the mission
>>4133934Why yes i know everything about toby fox because he became my best friend in my fever dream
>>4133946Who is the guy on the right of the bottom-left panel? Do troons hate him?
>>4133946for a second I thought toby's drawing on the 3rd panel had eyelashes
>>4133946Should draw the guy on the right as a tranny with the flag on HIS shirt.
>>4133954That's toby's master and main reason why this thing exists so we can doompost over it, hussieI actually don't know, people have mixed feelings over him cuz he created homestuck after all, if i remember he made some jewish moves like the image says over his comic
>>4133837>avoid shit that would fuck with his imageBut he still does, only obsessed migachuds hate him and their opinions are worthless
>>4133846Toby is all about that femClover
>>4133970Tell that to the feminists that hate him for the rape allegory or the spics that hate him for not translating Deltarune to Spanish.
>>4133971>yellow is a dudeIf only
>>4133849>surely Toby Fox would NEVER make two characters GAY in one of his games
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I wish all mewers a very good week of wage slavery
I found CoL's youtube channel:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dCdu2s3lQ4
>>4133982this slut owes me a date
>>4133875>no way the most leftist indie dev this side of the Celeste troon would.........be a leftist who cares about leftist thingsAre you kidding me
>>4133990I mean, she was up to that, it was the shit squad who didn't let you have fun as usual.
>>4133886>his dirty laundry Halloween Hack and some edgy comments? This isn't the 2010s, those things don't matter anymore.
>>4133982i wish i had a jobgranted i quit my last one because of horrendous management, but i miss having income regardless
>>4133997Toby supports you being a welfare neet leech.
>>4134006nah i'm in edu soi'm not a true neetgranted it's to be an irl janny but the pay and benefits are good
>>4133995>those things don't matter anymore.Unless people get sick of your bullshit like what happened with Digital Circus, then suddenly they'll NEVER let you live down your edginess. You'll ALWAYS be known as the nigger guy, or the guy who voiced Goku in the parody of the Goku X Anne Frank fanfic.
>>4133992i need to sword route'd them
>>4134007you mean an inspector?
>>4134007Based Malcolmchad
>>4134009at this point I doubt the game will ever give me that pleasure despite foreshadowing it
>>4134008>people
>>4134016Like it or not, people treat the snowflakes as other people.
>>4133929Hating jews is a low iq lefty stance these days.>>4133990>>4133992Pink is easy, she'll date anyone who flirts with her.
>>4134010no, a custodian, in a city or school district
>>4134018always was, horseshoe theory is real
>>4134018>>4134021Calling you a j** in response to you not obsessing over kikes.
>>4134008Toby is more untouchable than JKR, your fanfics about trannies eating him alive are pure fantasy
>>4134032*removes your weird route flower and replaces it with a red dot*
>>4134035Literally nobody but 4chinners care about that because he removed your rape candy from your mouth
>>4134036>NOOOOOO IT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!!!
>>4134038Toby will never be cancelledCry all you want
>>4134032Hes not untouchable, find a greater radical than I am, and he's a dead man, he's no Clinton or Obama, no one will protect him.
to not have the spider is to have painbut to have the spider is to risk her becoming a dykesuch is the suffering of a spider lover
>>4134032>implying troons did shit to JRK>likely did the opposite thanks to helping boost hogwarts legacy sells and causing malfoid to become bigger than it would without themkek
>>4134047Toby fox was roo lazy to include muffet
>>4134055Nah, it's more likely that Ava simply didn't want the character to be used again in Deltarune, and Toby respected that fact. He's made it known during the 10th anniversary stream he's highly respectful of getting permission to use things he doesn't own, and it's why Penumbra Phantasm in Deltarune became a Never Ever because the composer is dead, therefore he can't get permission.
>>4134062Why didn't he reuse So Sorry?>muh egg roomMuffet was reused in Pink's fight by the same logic.
>>4134062Then he can just not mention her. Oh wait, he did.Now deltarune will never have Muffet.
>>4134062>and it's why Penumbra Phantasm in Deltarune became a Never Ever because the composer is dead>look him up>mfw
>>4134047>character is relatable
>>4134047That's a child
At least Muffet was straightShe probably loves humans too
>>4134077that's a business owner
>>4134032jkr is untouchable because she already had a large media franchise when she became controversialtoby is only 'untouchable' because more people want to see deltarune finished than him cancelled at the present timeif deltarune turns out to be shit, you bet your ass toby will go dormant for a long, long, time as the allegations come pouring in
>>4134055>>4134062Or it's because Tasque Manager surpasses Muffet by every metric and the only way for Muffet to stay remotely relevant was to tie her to a different cat character
>>4134086>toby is only 'untouchable' because more people want to see deltarune finished than him cancelled at the present timeReminds me of troons threatening to murder Oda the instant One Piece finishes just because he drew lolis like S-Snake.
>>4134086>What if the game fucking sucked?Then he would go dormant because his dream was lame, or he would do other projects. You're masturbating to the thought of this dude getting raped by his fanbase over political shit but the truth is you care more about that than even the most militant twittard.
>>4134092i want deltarune to be good, despite all the shitpostingif it turns out to be shit, then toby effectively wasted my time and strung me along for what's looking to be at least 10 years for a crock of bullshit him being cancelled for that is fair and justified as far as i'm concerned
one piece sucks, i gave up on that shit
>>4134091They won't do shit, if there's one thing trannies and you chuds share it's a love for lewd drawings of children.
>>4134097Troons like you only prefer real life 3D children
>>4134077>Feminists blaming men for women being sexy again
>>4134095No, you wasted your time especially after chapter 5 showed you just how bad it can get.
>>4134102Cope pedochud
>>4134087toby had a hankering for nun porn when he was brainstorming what to do with her in ch 5.
>>4134092i would love to see it after he gave birth to them.such stable individuals such as "killer of those who misgender Kris"
>>4134104i promise to be easier on him if femkris turns out to be real, how's that?
>>4134098Sorry but I'm not one of the politicians you knowingly voted for and relate to.>>4134079Muffet's only carnal desire is to eat people.
>>4134109I don't really care, I just have no sympathy for people who see a blatantly flawed product then continue to blame the product after spending more time with it despite it proving that it had no intention of getting better.
>>4134110that explains a lotdefinitely a chud site, right?
>>4134112It's funny you think that makes a difference.
>>4134114i spent my hard earned $25 on deltarune back when 3&4 came out and i was satisfied with it at the timehow was i supposed to know that it was a feint for bullshit coming the following year?
>>4134115>>4134112
>>4134117Sure but after 5 dropped you have no excuse. Arguably there are earlier warning signs but 4's ending was definitely the point of no return.
>>4134116one doesnt advocate for muslims blowing themselves up your buses and pizza shops
>>4134126Not openly at least
>>4134117even with only 1-4, thats 6.25 dollars per chapter if you count the free ones in the total.thats a damn good deal.
>Susie? Susie Deltarune? We're the Vessels. We're here to help you slay Ralsei the dragon and destroy Kris the Betrayer.
>>4134152Dude... could you NOT spoil chapter 7B for me?
>>4134152>>4134154>this is what redditors find funny
>>4134154>Greetings it's me, Eram the cumrag!
>>4134159Reddit has a better sense of humor than 4chan.
>>4134168That's cool, now go back.
>>4134168You need to go back.
>replying to bait
>>4134174That's quite literally all that happens in these threads
>>4134174>ARGH, WHALLIN' HAS BEEN VERY VERY PLENTIFUL IN THESE SEAS
>>4133940sadly the guy likes the blue bazzhttps://x.com/RenatoMadguy/status/2112016899022135755
>>4133940They look better as humans and it's more satisfying from a lore perspective because now we know what the UT humans would have looked like.
>>4134184good thing i dont
>>4134197>this is what Blue haters fap to
>>4134202i actually dont want to fuck my creation
>>4134197i never liked the snout version of femblue.personally i think she should just be a genderbent and not obviously black version of blue thats the mom of the group.
>>4134197Make her nose get longer when she's being conceitedMake her eyes do the intense upward crescent thing too
>>4134204can snout femblue not be that?
>>4134208intense upward crescent? whats that look like?
>>4134211she can.but she still has the snout.they're supposed to be fraudulent humans, and orange's gimmick is already "im the one that doesnt even try looking like a human"
>>4134213i added it because it makes her look cute and youthful, at least to me
>>4134216look anon im sorry to trash your creation like this but it makes her look like a bargain bin AU miss mizzle that swapped with blue (what horrors await in CH4 in miss mizzle's place...)
Mizzle is sexier than Miss Mizzle.
>>4134221i mean, i was thinking of miss mizzle when i drew this. i tried to make her look 'human' before this and i did not like what came out of it, it did not look appealing to me at all
>>4134223Roulx.........
>>4134203Fag
>>4134204Go ahead and draw or gen that then?
>>4134236take it from me, anyone, genning doesnt work for this at allit cannot make the sprites, cannot make them consistent or the right size
>>4134223>>4134228
>>4134238Who cares about sprites? Also the GBA OoT demakefag on /v/ proves you wrong.
>>4134274uh, me, im the belle the blue flower guy
>>4133971Toby is literally me??
>>4134197That's still ugly as shit.
>>4134294id like to see you do better
BlueGODS....
>>4134066>Why didn't he reuse So Sorry?child grooming allegations, fat fetish art fursona he force injected into undertale instead of compromising or getting a refund.
>>4134309That's just like most of his friends and fans tho
>>4134296I could probably commission an artist to make a Fem Blue.Although she would still be black lol
>>4134311>she would still be blackWhy?
>>4134313Because i like black women
>>4134318Why?
what do we think of skirt kris?
>>4134328*kilt Kris
>>4134328I wanna see child Kris with a skirt before giving my full and honest judgement.
When I'm in a foreshadowing Kris and Noelle's death in 7B competition and my opponent is Toby Fox.
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>>4134345>>4134346>>4134347>>4134349It's a red herring.
>>4134352Deltarune itself is a Red herring.The one ending refers to Kris finally waking up from their dream in a world without monsters.
>>4134353>even the Light World is just an escapist fantasy formed from Inciting Incident traumaThis, too, was predicted by Ash-Veil Lane.
>>4134353consider the alternative,>kris wakes up>he's a dog monster>* ugh, the human nightmare again>credits roll has he gets ready for the day.>he's casually racist to his human classmate despite him living in their shoes somewhat regularly with the "human nightmares"
>>4134328Too gendered. True non binaries must look as gender neutral as physically possible
>>4133971I mean, yes. That's Clover's canon gender and he added her having a crush on Ralsei all the way back in Chapter 1.
>>4133975That anon didn't deny that, he just said that he makes all gay relationships clean and wholesome, but I wouldn't expect you to be able to read since you post xitter tier sassy nigger gifs.
>>4134087Lol no, Muffet is much better than her
>>4134184That's not surprising, his Blue was also gay for cyan in his take. Blue is fated to be a homo. >>4134194I don't mind it either, I just didn't expect Toby to be so direct with it, I expected a lot of them to be like canon Orange but plant themed instead of a rat. It's a good surprise, though.
>>4134309He gave him speaking lines unlike all the others.>>4134305CoLrune looking cursed.
>>4134352Mindbroken.
>>4134353The "one ending" is just whenever you turn the game off for the last time, calling it now.
>>4134366>he makes all gay relationships clean and wholesomeThat's funny because WR shows Suselle only looks good on the surface, Kriselle is arguably pretty toxic even if it's built on previously safe and vanilla feelings, Alphyne is partially based on a lie where Undyne believes anime is real, Blullow involves a lawman letting a blatant thief run free, and Pizzaburger is based on a foundation of catfishing and bullying.
>>4134372>shaming and blaming a rape victim
Is it just me or are Seth and Aqua really ducking annoying
>>4134379You're supposed to find them attractive and coom, as per 4chan decrees.
>>4134379>duckingWhat is this Mickey Mouse shit?
>>4134374>Pizzaburger, gay ship analog>liar finally tries to come clean about their real self>victim gets angry them empty, leaving the other with nothing but regretsSuselle will be fine, right...?
>>4134384But Susie is being honest with Noelle, and Noelle already accepted the real Susie at the lake. If anyone is being fake and dishonest, it's both Kris and Noelle. Kris for reasons you already know, and Noelle for pretending to be a cutie potato when in reality she's fucked up.
>>4134384>biggest obstacle to Suselle is Noelle herselfUnless a miracle happens, no.
>>4134384Noelle is going to abandon Susie and Susie will jump out of the game to cuck me in real life
>>4134379imagine having this level of shit taste
>>4134379Its okay to have bad taste.
>>4134376wow, i can't believe kris was responsible for the First Hometown School Killing Game
>>4134388>Noelle for pretending to be a cutie potato when in reality she's fucked upWhat is she supposed to do? Show everyone how broken she is? Everyone likes the fake version of us, and it wasn't even enough to keep Dess and Kris around.
>>4134395Hooves typed this post.
>>4134374The WR doesn't show that Suselle is only good on the surface, people need to stop taking Noelle having a mental breakdown at face value and believing her when she says she's only free in the route she tries to drown herself.
>>4134400It's less that they believe that ObviouslyTraumatizedNoelle is the real one, and more than whatever issues are oozing out during that scene (depersonalization, dissociation, social masking, etc) were indeed there all along. It recontextualize Noelle as a character, upon which lenses Suselle can't work.
