TNO
>>1729474Tno keeps crashing my pc :(
I heard that TNO has CP in the mod files, is this true? Shouldn't we report this to the police or something?
>>1729474I miss the old ideology colors, these ones kinda blend together more often than not too.>>1729516How the hell do you even rationalize this being a thing? If that was the case it would've been deleted off the Workshop years ago at the very least. You're probably mixing up old rumors/drama (legit don't know if it's true please don't take this as a fact) about Pacifica with actual in-game content.
Did they ever fix Hitachi being absolutely busted? Kind of in the mood for a Guangdong run>>1729520Always weirded me out that 'Reformed National Socialism' was a SubId of Fascism.
>>1729526Yeah, sucks shit the same way that Neocommunism being "socialist" (ie wholesome good) does, despite just being a reformed version of communism. At least RefNatSoc is being fixed in their ideology rework they've got cooking, at leastif earlier leaks are to be believed. One of the few actual improvements in it.
enjoy
>>1729561I suppose this is the ending of the Sejima runWho are all the main paths of Manchukuo then? Other than Sejima of course
anyone know who the 6 red italy leaders are?
>>1729585Leaked earlier, forgot the specifics, but if true it would run the gambit between Stalinist-tier people and more liberal types (within communism) like those currently in the mod. Seemed pretty cool. Take it with a grain of salt like everything else but if true it didn't seem bad at all.
>>1729529Neocommunism isn't even a thing anymore.>>1729585Pietro SecchiaOnorato DamenFranco RodanoGiangiacomo FeltrinelliAntonio NegriDon Andrea GalloPlus Vittorio Vidali and Randolfo Pacciardi as failstates.
>>1729578Nta but it literally says intro tree.The other paths are Pujie/Yuyan (Qing court), Somucho and Kwantung coup.
>>1729594Can confirm, it's gone from the ideology branch on the Git. Why even remove it? It was a perfectly sensible ideology to have around. I swear I feel really bad for the people that actually have to work with assigning these because it feels like something that was established for ages gets removed left and right and I can scarcely tell why.
>>1729597Isn't there a leftist too? Wada Hiro? Is he just an ending?
>>1729598Devs thought it would be redundant due to reformist socialism already being a thing
>>1729601Subpath of Somucho.
>>1729602Retarded.Maybe when RefSoc was a socialist ideology (it'd still be shit but OK) but now that it's in prog you're either having Berlinguer be what used to be the SocDem bloc before Targay's brain fart or having it be something that isn't as accurate to what he was otl because another dev had a brain fart. Like why not just keep it around? What's gained by cutting these things that were perfectly functional in the past? I don't understand their obsession with cutting ideologies that they don't personally like.
>>1729529It was put under socialism because the communist group was only supposed to include ideologies influenced by leninism. Not sure if this is still a rule
>>1729598My guesses are1. Like >>1729602 said.2. Doesn't have a reason to exist in a world where the Soviet Union isn't a superpower.3. Because Berlinguer isn't a path anymore in Lib Italy.
>>1729578Monarchy and reform bureaucrots
>>1729608I honestly have no idea. Yeah, what you say makes some degree of logical sense, but whenever I see the devs talk about these things it feels like it's just muhideology.txt in action.>>1729606They make up the rules as they go it seems. Even if that was an explicit rule at some point, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the people making the call now have no idea what they're talking about and are just incredibly autistic about it. I don't really see any practical reason in just deleting hours of work when what used to be there conveyed things to players just fine.
>>1729609>Forgetting my boi Katakura
Drop Colombia doc
>>1729620Seconding this.
>>1729620Colombia devs are nice and friendly to the community, no need to stress them out. Just let them cook, anon. You'll be happier in the end that way.
Die tranny
gotta say that Chita was really gooddon't think I've ever had to lock in as hard as when I got spitroasted by Irkutst and Amur.
>>1729641You first chuddie. :)
grossbharatiums when?
>>1729561>all really awkward and out of place Q referencesJesus Christ no. Reworking Sejima was clearly a massive mistake if the best they can put out to replace it is this meme garbage.
>It's another rework of a country>It's another why realism is wrong>It's another why we need to rework and if you don't agree your being a dick>It's another dev drama>It's another day without an updateForget it, what's the coolest thing you've seen in TNO? Personally, those titles some leaders can get are pretty cool, can someone post some of them please?
>>1729692>what's the coolest thing you've seen in TNO?Pic rel.
>>1729692P.S. Despite being a pipe dream, I'd love to see animated gifs of leaders portraits changing. Heydrich, Tukhachevsky, and Bunyachenko, have pretty cool changes to their portraits (Heydrich's face going cold and dark, Tukhachevksy's starting portrait should be the endgame portrait to symbolize his readiness in taking down the Reich, and Bunyachenko staring at your soul is cool) and it'd be nice to see Bunya moving his head to stare up at your soul, or Heydrich turning with a cold gaze after the reich balkanizes.
>>1729692Actually not the coolest, but I'll give you one of my favorite memories, when I felt like the game opened up for me. It was something as simple as the first time I saw a regional unification, in my case the founding of the Ural Military District when everyone else was beat in the region. I loved the small tidbits like that. Seeing a new moniker for a new unifying tag every time was one of the highlights in my early sessions, it was just fun to see the many new ways that a country could take form.Of course, now that I've said it, some anon is going to tell me that all of these will be deleted because we can't have nice things.
>>1729694too bad it's not animated because that would be cool as hell.someone post the coup one.
>>1729692I don't know if I'd call it cool but one of my favourite things in TNO is an old England event from before the rework involving a football match that turns violent as the two teams supporters are either side of the Collab/HMMLR divide, with the HMMLR side winning to chants of>KRAUTS, KRAUTS, WHEREVER YOU MAY BE, FUCK RIGHT OFF TO YOUR OWN COUNTRYfrom their supporters. It's a real shame it got cut and I hope the TFL devs add something similar down the road to make up for it.
>>1729705It reminded me of the Yugoslav civil war, it went kinda hard. Good callback. I wish we got to see more sport events in general in a world building sense.
>>1729692This is something from Modern!TNO but I really like the ending photos for Guangdong/Ukraine/England, I hope all the old countries get them with a cool description too!
>>1729745Yeah these are nice
>>1729747The Guangdong ones are just so beautiful to look at, can someone post all of them perhaps?
>>1729749Only Ibuka and IJA coup are the one with big screen which is a shameI will said it with grain of salt but Guangdong is objectively the best thing to come out of Nu-TNO ever (currently). The Ukraine and UK contents was kind of bland melodrama porn imo. At least with Guangdong there's something interesting depending on the path where you going for once. Sony is cheerful, Fujitsu is realist, Matsushita is pragmatic, Hitachi is will to power and IJA is hellish. Everything else are just misery porn with no hope or future.
>>1729760I agree, I also think the named NPCs whose stories change in each path makes a lot more in sense in Guangdong, as it is such a weird and totally ahistorical setting which varies wildly under each possible Leader, in Ukraine they're really sameish honestly.
>>1729760Ukraine is kino and I will die on this hill. But yeah Britain is very bland.>Fujitsu is realistFujitsu is the most idealistic path lmao. That's the point of the endings. Either Ibuka accepts that he was delusional and rolls backs his worst reforms or he doubles down and refuses to acknowledge reality.
Outdated Mosk tree that was posted on the pleb server. Looking at it, I don’t think it’s all for one person—the bottom right looks like Helldorf’s tree judging by the BMW as he had some ties to auto manufacturers in his path, but the top looks like a generic intro tree for Kasche
>>1729769Seems like Helldorf couping Kashe and becoming the Commissar, looks ok but I'm pretty sure Moskowien is totally different now, is there any doc that talks about current Moskowien?
>>1729769This shit so old it's in the fucking mod files.
>>1729766>Fujitsu is the most idealistic path lmao. That's the point of the endings. Either Ibuka accepts that he was delusional and rolls backs his worst reforms or he doubles down and refuses to acknowledge reality.It's different interpretation of Realist.For the reconcialiation, Ibuka realizes his mistake and double down on his vision but when he goes on persistance path. He's still got hit heart by the magnet reality of the situation and becomes a cold heart old man at the end. It IS him realizing that his vision can only come to pass if he drops his last bit of humanity left in him and embrace efficient + calcuting persona. It's not idealistic because he knows his vision can fail and realist because he will do anything to succeed it.
>>1729769>>1729782So basically it doesn't matter at all and is all getting reworked?
>>1729785Sure
>>1729692In the early days the South African War superevent was perfect, thought that was the best thing ever. The Dominoes Must Stop.Modern I'd say the Hitachi coup crisis because it felt like something that should have been a failstate but wasn't and it pleasantly surprised me.
>>1729785Some icons can be salvaged I guess.
>>1729786Why do I even bother getting my hopes up?>>1729790That's ok the devs will kill them in the next rework or the one after that.
At this point I have more faith in this thread DIYing a bunch of countries for submods than I do the devs releasing an update.
>>1729799I hope last op gets his Burma submod of his dreams.
>>1729799This summer.Trust the plan.
>>1729799I don't know about that, plenty of promising submods and yet none of them came out, Heldenvolk is the only one I have any hope for, I wonder how development for that is going
>>1729804>I wonder how development for that is goingThe head dev lurks the threads and has posted before, I might be misremembering but I recall he said he expected an initial release some time this year but got scope creeped.
>>1729804>None came outPlenty did. Most notable ones would be the Brazil, Antarctica and Britain ones that all got or are getting integrated.
>>1729804>already in rework-hell trying to make lore tno-compatible by pivoting away from corporate dominanceSad they already got rejected by German lead.
>>1729807Should just have told him to eat shit and just make the fun mod of your dreams. By the time they've reworked it to fit that new standard, the rules will have changed. Rinse and repeat.
>>1729807That's too bad, best of luck to the Heldenvolk team!
what have you niggers been jacking off to these past years?there is literally nothing, this mod is deadif anything there is less content now than there used to be
>>1729849Hard to argue with. Göring's gone, the old British content has been turned into shorter content for one side of the conflict, and all of American and what remains of Germany are both being redone from scratch. If a leak from the last thread (picrel) is real, the next thing we can "look forward" to in Russia is possibly Sverdlovsk being reworked from scratch once Amur's gotten reworked.They've been spinning their wheels for so long it's just sad. Personally I just gave up when Poland was killed and Ukraine released in a half-baked state last year though looking back I should've given up sooner and moved on. Now I just come here to commiserate out of habit.
>>1729859That leak is fake, Batov is gonna be military junta in the future.
>>1729861So he's getting reworked?
>>1729849Historical determinism
So, was anything added lately besides the Ukraine and the half botched UK release?No Balbo? No Brazil kino? Is the Yapan rework good?
>>1729921No, currently waiting for a Brazil tree and Antarctica. I think Amur rework might happen too? Maybe?
>>1729705>>KRAUTS, KRAUTS, WHEREVER YOU MAY BE, FUCK RIGHT OFF TO YOUR OWN COUNTRYGot the balls to chant that against the Germans but not pakis and blacks.Got it. We whites really are pathetic.English football fans do this in real life too. Fucking Anglos.
>>1729984'Ate Germans.'Ate the Pakt.'Ate the collaborators.Luv me missus.Luv me lads at Greggs.Luv it when N'gubu fights Hüttig's forces in Africa.Ain't racist. Just don't like some of 'em. Simple as.
>>1729995>'Ate Germans.>'Ate the Pakt.>'Ate the collaborators.>Luv me missus.>Luv me lads at Greggs.>Luv it when N'gubu fights Hüttig's forces in Africa.>Ain't racist. Just don't like some of 'em. Simple as
>>1730000>..Anonymous>04/16/24(Tue)08:47:06 No.1729995>87 KB JPG>>>1729984 (You) #>'Ate Germans.>'Ate the Pakt.>'Ate the collaborators.>Luv me missus.>Luv me lads at Greggs.>Luv it when N'gubu fights Hüttig's forces in Africa.>Ain't racist. Just don't like some of 'em. Simple as.>>>1730000 #>...Anonymous>04/16/24(Tue)08:54:41 No.1730000>2.92 MB WEBM>>>1729995 #>>'Ate Germans.>>'Ate the Pakt.>>'Ate the collaborators.>>Luv me missus.>>Luv me lads at Greggs.>>Luv it when N'gubu fights Hüttig's forces in Africa.>>Ain't racist. Just don't like some of 'em. Simple as
>>1729984Because there was no mass migration of Indians to Britain in TNO, genius.
>>1730003>Because there was no mass migration of Indians to Britain in TNO, genius.10% of children in Slough are British15% of children in Luton are British20% of children in Leicester are British25% of children in Birmingham are British25% of children in London are British30% of children in Manchester are Britishhttps://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/data-tables/fast-track/3cf51cad-fddb-4311-bb83-fdc8c551b2e6
>>1730003Don't give them ideas for the anti-collabs, anon. You know at least half the members of that team would love to have an arc about "correcting historical injustices" after kicking out the Germans.
>>1730009>"correcting historical injustices" after kicking out the Germans.You just know...The Irish did and doing it right now IRL. So why wouldnt the English do the same in the case of anti-collab victory?The nature of the angloid, white mans burden
>>1730011There are actually plenty of reasons why they wouldn't and logically I can't really see the anti-collab people doing it. I'm just conditioned to treat what they do as political fanfiction at times and expect the worst.
>>1730007>https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/data-tables/fast-track/3cf51cad-fddb-4311-bb83-fdc8c551b2e6I get you're trying to raise awareness anon but the link doesn't work
>>1730013>I get you're trying to raise awarenessI woke up on the wrong side of the bed and was feeling anti-white. No raising awareness, oh wait. Maybe there is something to it.Yeeesss, all TNO white liberal leftist tranny devs. You people are bound to die, one day, eventually, destined. The question is who will kill you?Will it be a:1) White Fascist2) Walking BBC thug3) Muslim terrorist4) If you live in the States, Mexican Cartel member???
>>1730007>>in TNOIlliterate mongoloid.
>>1730020You forgot5) By your own hand
>>1730023KEK
>>1730007Who cares? We all just gave up a long time ago.
Why are all these euroids posting about bbc, I'm here to play games you fucking faggots
>>1730068>whyProbably just a schizo that left the containment board of /pol/. Just be thankful it's not another Ukraine war spam, people actually take the bait on those.>I'm here to play gamesYet you post in a thread about a largely defunct visual novel made in the Clausewitz engine, curious!
Who's the most annoying discord janny?
>>1730099All of them?
>>1729692Tbh, though it might be a a year old toozer at this point. I really liked the way Italian fascism could develop before they reworked everything into oblivion.And the descriptions are cool, too.I kind of trailed off TNO before Guandong dropped, is it good?
>>1730110Guangdong is generally considered to be the last "good" update that nearly everyone agrees on. Unique concept, executed like nothing else in HOI4, and has a lot of actual things to do whether it's fighting in proxy wars to get test data for your weapons R&D department or trying to make the big bucks through product cycles.After that it's mostly just been reworks that have been divisive at best or come with caveats (all of Britain rebooted but now it's just one side and only a few years of content) or just short and underwhelming (Ukrain kinda just fizzling out and nothing really mattering once Germany gets involved again). Honestly, you haven't really missed out on a whole lot. Only thing we have to look forward to now is Antarctica integration (you've been able to play it as a standalone for years), Amur being completely reworked, and maybe Mexico/Brazil content unless they go the way of Poland.tl;dr Guangdong is pretty good but you can skip just about everything else and there's nothing to look forward to that's likely to release this year.
>>1729585To expand on >>1729594Secchia is Stalinist. Wants a centralized state and a unified party.Damen is LeftCom. Believes that the party should be united through internal discussion and party democracy, not purges. Also wants to abolish money, among other things.Feltrinelli is Guevarist. He has a very romanticized view of revolution and will have to come to terms with the often boring and cruel realities of it. He'll also travel around the world a lot.Negri is Workerist. Basically autonomism and grassroots communism. The party takes a more diminished role and is more heterogeneous, it should only serve as a means of organization, not control.Rodano is Catholic Communist. Will have to balance the interests of the Church with the interests of the Party and his Red Italy will overall be very moderate.Gallo is CathCom like Rodano but much woker.Vidali is the red terror incarnate. He's gonna coup you and make all revisionist and couterrevolutionary elements face the wall if you anger him and his bois enough. Pacciardi and the other counterrevolutionaries will coup you if you're a retard and let the reaction get too powerful. He'll try to turn Italy into a liberal democracy but he'll get killed by commies and a military government under Eugenio Henke will take his place. Italy is not yet ready for democracy, martial law ftw.>>1730115Just gonna say that Brazil's state of dev is in no way like Poland's. It's been tested multiple times, both Adhemar and Lacerda and they're playable until the end. It's pretty much only loc and a mech that needs to be finished.
>>1730122This is Don Gallo btw he got the drip
we're on the front page
>>1730122I think the odds of it being as fucked as Poland are zero. I'm just using Poland as an example. And honestly, even if everything worked out wonderfully you can't rule out things like dev fighting or just hare-brained decisions throwing a spanner in the works.
>>1730130Ah, that's understandable. If you want my input I'd say the only thing to worry about is writers being lazy and not meeting their quotas. The only thing that has slowed dev a bit is the rework of Lacerda's party mech but design for it was finished pretty quickly and just needs coding it in and writing the new event chains (yeah I know another fucking rework, what a surprise, but trust me it was much needed. The old mech did absolutely nothing, the buttons didn't work and you could ignore it the whole playthrough without issue. The new one is designed to be much more responsive and allow for different playstyles)
>>1730139I think most of us are fine with just sprucing up a mechanic or fixing errors here and there. If you don't me that they were fixing Samara's smuggling mechanic, I'd be happy since that'd make playing Samara more fun and probably wouldn't take too long but if you told me that you were reworking Samara from scratch though I'd seriously question your priorities.
>>1729516Are you seriously mentally retarded enough to believe that?>>1729598Because it was unused and redundant
>>1730173Yes, I suppose deleting dozens of paths would eventually render it unused, thanks for clarifying.
>>1729692Original Speer content was very kino. I liked the almost Stein's Gate levels of having to reload to defy fate itself and save Germany to the point you reach the golden timeline where Speer kneels before Hitler's grave as he ascends past the reactionaries and liberals.Sadly it was too kino for the Bureaucratic devs, who constantly rework Speer to be weaker and weaker while trying to shill Bormann who is unironically their self-insert.
>>1730185>dozensIt was only used by Berlinguer
>>1730191I meant that in the process of deleting dozens of routes you've made it redundant.
Why was Göring removed?
>>1730238His path broke the game and didn't fit the narrative of the mod.
>>1730238>>1730240>muh narrative
>>1730244I played the submod the other day. It wasn't that fun.
>>1730246Others like it and the old content and either's better than literally nothing + no one cares what you think you bitter cunt.
update when
>>1730250Rude. But anyway what do you find fun about it?
>>1729692Old Burgundy, before it was gutted into the ground. Being the secret scary black state, doing Globalplans to fuck the world was a real villainous vibe that I really enjoyed. Omsk is a favorite with the West Russian war mod, just because of how climactic the war with Germany in the end feels and how long I can have it go on for. Lastly Huttig, my man, I wish he had more content post war, because to me Huttig and Omsk are the last men standing for what I love about TNO.
>>1730191In the docs there is also path in Greece
How many paths Yapan have now? Only tree? And only big dimes Takagi have anything of note?
Goering is (or was) imo one of the biggest examples of ludonarrative dissonance in the mod.Sure you're conquering the world as the nazis and it feels fun and epic but it also feels... empty.The world doesn't really react to your actions (besides the russian warlords banding together I guess), you form these big RKs with messed up borders (why are they RKs anyway? That's not how they work) but you don't get events about how that affects the population and characters that live there or how they react.The superpowers also don't react to your actions. Invading all of Europe should turn on the alarms on the US to increase militarization and foreign involvement but when you look over LBJ is still giving housing to blacks or whatever.Idk like I said it feels empty and amateurish.
>>1729561So is sejima essentially roy Mustang from fma without the good intentions? A well connected careerist military officer who wants to take over the country and remake it in his image, and who is also a bit of a smarmy prick?>Pic related is how I imagine the Manchu faction of the army, a bunch of surprisingly competent dumbasses and/or misfits.
>>1730256Göring and his cronies were fun, I enjoyed the writing for them more than I liked Bormann. A lot of the events and schemes were fun and helped the path stand out and some of the boondoggles like the Liger were fun """rewards""" for going down the path of Hitlerian meme projects. It was also a breath of fresh air to enjoy something more combat oriented in TNO outside of the Russian unifiers; I wish we had more outright hard power options (ideally better executed but still). Lastly it was also fun to defend against Göring.But yeah now his content gone and we'll have to wait several years for anything to replace it yippee.
>>1730271>>1730281Does the mod make it better?And aye, there should be def more combat content in TNO, you have all those techs and weird ass companies, but most of the time, you can't use it. You can make all the minigames you want, but without some engaging gameplan, a bunch of it fall flat
>>1730281>>1730289War isn't really fun in TNO unless you're an impoverished shithole. Reason being the huge production buffs you get for doing nothing and how OP the techs are really trivialize the gameplay.
>>1730295>Still struggle to push through Madagascar shitholes
>>1730297I mean in proxy wars your capabilities are limited because you can only send 2-5 divisions. And Madagascar happens too soon to benefit from later techs.
>>1730289I just enjoy combat in it and it's fun to get some battles with actual nations that aren't just volunteer wars.>>1730295>Say you're having fun fighting wars as Germany>"Uhm actually you weren't having fun."
>>1730007And what exactly do you plan on doing about these people, Anon? Surely you must be doing something related to politics in life, so please, tell us what your plan is for these people.
>>1730301Please don't take the bait.
>>1730301>And what exactly do you plan on doing about these people, Anon?My plan is to paradrop hundreds of millions of niggers into the British Isles and make sure that the cursed blood of the angloid will be forever wiped from this world.
>>1730000>You hate being occupied by germans? That means you must LOVE the current trend of illegal immigration!Shut the fuck up, you don't need national socialism to stop illegal immigration, it's already fucking illegal we just need someone to enforce it.
>>1730268Presu..reply..
>>1730007England deserves to cease to exist, shame it wont happen
>>1730334Wow pessimistic much?
>>1730334>it wont happen
>>1730339Unfortunately the good guys (non-anglos) tend to not win most of the times
Who is the most based soviet unifier?My vote is Zhdanov with Tukh in 2nd place
>>1730358Maybe not based but I really like Rodz because he has a great villain arc, can't wait to see how the devs ruin that in the rework I never asked for. You're right though Zhdanov is great.
>>1730358Serov.>>1730365He said soviet unifier anon.
>>1730372Oh I took it as Russian, my bad. Then yes, Zhdanov is probably the most fun.
>>1730358Sablin because I have shit taste.
>>1730268Main 3 are Takagi - reformistIkeda (the cringe one) conservativeKaya - TechnocratI really like Kaya desu, he can get succeded by both Shiina and Fukuda
>>1730379Wholesome.
>>1730387>>1730268there are 3 main paths, one with 2 successors and 2 failstatesyou have the reformist tagaki who tries to end market interference and create an actual conservative democracy, emphasis on tries in some casesikeda who wants a status quo system with moderate economic interventionand kaya who wants to double down on the current system and add a technocratic vaneer to it he also has the 2 successors, a hardliner or one more aligned to him
>>1730416Cool
I've just finished my Bormann path and I'm honestly surprised at how no other members of the Einheitspakt send volunteers... you'd think that Britain would at least have some collaborator divisions to help you out. The U.S. has assistance and even Japan has Guangdong. Most of the proxy wars feel skewed against Germany imo
>>1730481Britain just got out of a civil war, I don't think they're in a state where they can afford to send aid. France does help Germany though in Madagascar.
>>1730481That's intentional.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1c4rqkf/lgbt_legalisation_in_britain/Holy mother of reddit
>>1730498TNO fans: Can't get gay validation IRL so they choose to get it from fictional National Socialist regimes kek
>>1730498Bloody reddit eh, what are they like
>>1729705>>1729984>>1729995>>1730000>>1730002>>1730007>>1730013>>1730020>>1730099>>1730301>>1730321>>1730334you aint gonna do shit tho ill timmy
>>1730498Kinda shocked that some sensible and level-headed pushback is getting the highest ratings. Is the Reddit community becoming... Un-Reddited?
>>1730515>>1730519I'm so sick of that annoying troon ScareSith who comments on every post on the reddit
>>1730524Same
>>1730500i modded my game to remove the carpet muncher events from britain
>>1730524>>1730528I swear that person's comments are so shit they come off as parodies of bad Reddit comments.
>>1730524>>1730528>>1730531https://www.reddit.com/r/trans/comments/1b5y9n1/vent/>troon has mental breakdown over some jokesOH NO NO NO
>>1730534>it was an E-relationship every time
I don't use reddit
>>1730534Why would you write this somewhere where people can read this?>>1730541Smart move.
>>1729807you were right, they're already reworking shit before they released anything. That's a lost cause.
>>1730608Not familiar with it, can you please explain to me how it changed or is changing? Not super elaborate just so I know what it's about.I don't doubt that the Germany devs are being pains in the ass to them, given how that place is ground zero for massive reworks upon reworks.
>>1730124He's a handsome fella indeed.
>>1730122What's Vidali's subid?
>>1730668Marxist-Leninist, same as Secchia.
How the fuck am I supposed to win the readyness game with the US as germany
>>1730688lower theirs to 0 while yours is over 80
>>1730695They start shoving -30s down my throat near the end and I don't have the political power to do it quicker than them
>>1730517I wish i could travel back in time and give Napoleon machine guns so he could exterminate the rathole you call England
>>1730753I think he'd appreciate a modern fleet more. What's he gonna do with those machine guns if he can't cross the channel?
>>1730765Shoot, you dumb monkey
>>1730777At what? Britain is an island. Surely you can think of more helpful things to give him.
>>1730387>>1730416Takagi is the most similar to modern Japan one?>>1730541It’s always good to have an account on there and some other place. Not for using it but to see some exclusive stuff that’s only available from those websites. It’s kinda reason why most people have to make a discord account despite the fact discord suck dick.
>>1730805Most essential stuff on Reddit can be viewed without an account though. The primary utility of having one is to interact with the site, which is cancer. Meanwhile you need a Discord account to access servers at all.
>>1730805>Takagi is the most similar to modern Japan one?No. TNO Japan is very different from OTL.
what’s with third worlders and randomly bringing up trannies all the time? nobody in white countries cares about this anymore lmfao
>>1731021Unironically wrong thread, my fault
Can't tell if bait or genuine retardation but it's best forgotten either way.
>>1731027This is not /gsg/, use the reply function you coward
Which japanese pm would be best for anime?
>>1731049Miki Takeo I'd guess.
>>1731021Define "cares"
>>1731021>nobody in white countries cares about this anymore lmfaoare you bragging about being demoralised
Sometimes I feel like the subreddit is still stuck in 2020/2021. It's all the same memes, the same questions, the same discussions about long outdated lore...
>>1731480>The Reddit is shitWho'd have thought?
>>1731480whenever we reach the 6 month threshold without a major update, this is what it usually feels like. And we're not getting shit until june/july.... expect it to get worse
>>1731520And so as any """social""" page nowdays.
This thread is kind of reddit
>>1731564Only because a lot of devs come here and they're mostly redditors and discord trannies drawn in by the allure of being able to use slurs without the head mod banning them.
Would anyone be interested in an updated version of pre-Toolbox TNO? I think after TT, TNO went sharply downhill.
>>1732010No. I can't imagine having fun without the economy system from TT.
>>1731699dawg just admit you're a smelly redditor the first step is accepting it
>>1732010I think a lot of people would be, yeah. It'd just be more like a regular HOI4 mod at that point, plenty of people like that, so why not? Worked out for the classic version of MD.https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2173766180Just bring the Panzer-era version up to speed with recent patches and you should be good to go.>>1732014Pretty sure you're in a minority. Lots of people like HOI4 just fine without Pacifica's bolted on mechanics.
>>1732038>Lots of people like HOI4 just fine without Pacifica's bolted on mechanics.How? Without the economy mech there's not much else to do. You're just reading events and doing focuses half of which do nothing because there's no gdp growth, inflation, poverty rate, or social development. Not to mention how the fuck would countries like Guangdong work without it.
>>1732049Yeah it's almost like the above anon that you were replying to wants there to be an alternative that sticks closer to the regular HOI4 experience, and perhaps if the devs hadn't followed Pacifica's lead in shitting away years of work bolting on an system to be a substitute for the lack of playable content in TNO, they could - perhaps - have made actual playable content that uses or modifies vanilla mechanics and builds up towards playable conflicts like all the other mods. You know, like the ones with releases more than once a year and that don't rework themselves over and over again because they aren't trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
>>1732093TNO was never like that, not even before Pacifica and TT.
>>1732010I'd gladly welcome a TNO without an economy system. Economy systems in HOI are just bloat anyway.
>>1732098Setting aside for a moment that TNO shipped with literal world conquest content and that Pacifica was one of the leads on the V1.0 release, I'll remind you: the premise of this entire conversation is that the anon you replied to wanted more experiences like in the older versions of the mod, and my hypothetical is that I think that the mod could have been in a better place if they made more content fitting that lens rather than doing TT.
>>1732038>>1732093>>1732098>>1732107I think the problem is that newfags treat tno like every other hoi4 mod, which are based on a total war, ww2 setting. They come in expecting to be able to invade other countries, form their own alliances, own germany as a minor, etc. and they scream bloat when they realize the core gameplay is based on interacting with GUIs and event chains (like other similar Cold War games like Mao's Legacy) instead of moving toy soldiers around.No, the economy mechanic is not bloat. It's the axis around which content is designed. Every other mechanic interacts in some way or another, directly or indirectly, with the mechanics introduced in TT. Remove them and you end up with nothing. Just play any of the Ural 4, their content was never adapted to TT so they still have that bland 2018 gameplay: wasting ingame years doing focuses that do barely anything so you can wage a pointless war against your neighbors.There's also the fact that TWR tried using vanilla gameplay in a cold war setting and we all know how that turned out lol. It updates even less frequently than nuTNO and the content it has is barebones.
>>1732112Dev cope because people don't like the broken gameplay in your political fanfic.
>>1732112>I think the problem is that newfagsShut the fuck up, I played TNO since it first released, it had war content originallyAnd if you are a Dev unironically kys
Post Panzer bussy
>>1732128Of course it's a devfag, only a TNO dev would be retarded enough to use shit like the demo content Panzer ordered a crunch release on to justify their Stockholm Syndrome with the rework of all reworks: reworking all of HOI4 itself and then shocked when HOI4 players state a preference for different mods.
>>1732125>>1732128>>1732138I'm not. Stop assuming every single person who defends the mod is a dev. I simply understand that the mod is not about war and enjoy it for what it is. When I want to play regular hoi4 gameplay I play KR/KX/R56 or whatever else, when I want to play an immersive Cold War sim I play TNO. TNO has always been a Cold War mod with restricted diplomacy, centered around domestic policy, proxy wars through volunteers and internal narratives, not large scale conflicts. The only exception to the rule was Goering, but he was supposed to be a critique of the regular hoi4 gameplay or rather blobbing playstyles as a whole and I think many miss this point.
>>1732156And again we see that the Devfag is immunized against all criticisms: one may call him a Redditor, tranny, faggot, pedo, it all runs off xir like water off a raincoat. But call xir a Devfag and you will be astonished at how it recoils, how injured it is, how it suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out."
>>1730127Go post that on /qa/
>>1732172This is why we can't have any meaningful discussion about the mod here. Every differing opinion gets shut down by calling the other a devfag out of nowhere. Debates get reduced to ad hominem shitfests and no good conclusions are drawn.Or maybe it's just a tactic to escape from the discussion due to lack of good argumentation.
>>1732112It's absolutely bloat, the entire point of the mechanic is to distract players from the fact that what they're playing is essentially a visual novel. It has no tangible gameplay effects for any country besides Guangdong and, whenever it releases, Manchuria, that could not be done by simply using civs and mils For every other country it is merely a way of bragging to other players that you got a high score, and even then it's practically worthless due to things like the Miracle Kemerovo bug. Watching the line go up is not fun, it is merely pointless busy work.
>>1732188Cope, seethe.
>>1732192For me it's fun because it's pushes me to see how much can I optimize a run. Can I get over 800B as Japan? Can I get under 20% poverty as Germany? It encourages me to replay countries again and again until I master them. I find it similar to speedrunning in that regard. Before TT I couldn't do that. I just played a path once and never touch it again because I already knew the story.
Dev niggas still think they can convince other niggas in this thread to like their new content when it’s never going to happen. Nigga this whole thread is filled with redditors in denial. Just dev the mod instead of wasting time here.
>>1732203No one cares go and play an actual business sim instead.
>>1732207Nah, I tried them. It's not the same. Plus I really like TNO's setting and lore.
If you want war just enable arcade mode lol.
>>1732203That's fair enough anon but to me that sort of gameplay isn't fun at all. I enjoy TNO because the writing and worldbuilding is for the most part compelling and interesting for an amateur effort. I would like more interactive gameplay such as applicable countries being a part of more proxy wars where it makes sense, have Germany use the RKs or have Japan strongarm client states into helping them for example. Now that the first three DLCs are integrated into basegame HOI4, you could also add content from those into the game, and if I'm not mistaken on it being a DLC feature from BBA the Balance of Power mechanic would work perfectly in several countries, particularly in Russia that often only has two paths in several tags.
>>1732188>This is why we can't have any meaningful discussion about the mod hereGood. Go back to your discord and take this shit away with you.
>>1732298yeah we're here to talk about trannies
I'm convinced the retards seething about devs here are just glownigger devs trying to derail any actual conversation about the mod's content or gameplay to make discussion on the mod here impossible so that anyone who wants to discuss the mod has to do so on dev-moderated channels such as the Reddit and Discord
>>1732393>infiltrate dissident groups and make them all accuse each other of being glowiestno devs did a matsushita reference?
We are so back...
>>1732010tno players cannot comprehend actual STRATEGY in a STRATEGY rtsmany such cases!
>>1732423OMG ARE YOU FROM POPULAR SPIC MOD "TFR"?
Okay, updating TNO pre tt is going to be incredibly tedious, I am going to have to take TT TNO and remove the TT eco
I found this cool reworked Goldwater focus tree in one of these threads sometime ago. Is there any information on whether or not this is legit because a Goldwater rework would be awesome. Especially considering how Goldwater's current focus tree makes little sense in terms of his actual politics. The Bennet econ tree is very opposed to his actual politics, his civil rights stances aren't properly represented, the Union busting tree is a little extreme and doesn't make sense taking up so much of his focus tree, and this new focus tree I found seems to better represent his beliefs and possible actions.
>>1732597its legit, mango and the US team is reworking the US.
>>1732599Are there any other focus trees, screenshots, or information I can find on this/that you have? I checked the reddit and found nothing.
>>1732601there has been multiple screenshots and stuff posted here before. Here's the Humphrey tree.
>>1732597>using polish immigrants to crush strikersvgh but unironically
>>1732601at this point Mango probably posted most of what was done for the US rework up to about right now in the previous threads.
>>1732610I asked a guy about it, we get these focus trees leaked right when the drafts are done lol. Real time leaking
>>1732597Nixon is also getting a full path.Here's the US rework doc.https://files.catbox.moe/kmjoww.pdf
>>1732624Reagan
>>1732628Hart (it's pretty much the current ingame tree)
>>1732629Wallace
>>1732630Rockefeller
>>1732631And Adlai Stevenson.That's all the trees that have been leaked I think.
>>1732597>>1732606>>1732624>>1732628>>1732629>>1732630>>1732631>>1732633We're never getting Penelope's web, or Europas Narben, or Shifting Tides, or Black Gold Red Sand, or Victor and the Judge, are we?
>>1732644That's not how it works. One team doesn't take manpower away from another.
>>1732644Never happening.>>1732646It's been half a decade with almost nothing from either. It's never happening. Enjoy your teasers for tags that will be reworked over and over and over again.
>>1732646So are mango and his team just sitting around and gooning all day if they don't rewooork the USA for the billionth time?
>>1732644reditaly trannies want to ideally release next year.
>>1732644Not if there's only going to be one release this year.
>>1732655lmao of course the only thing coming out in the near future is commie LARP content
>>1732655>>1732659"We're hoping to release Red Italy next year." - Red Italy team in 2027, on their 16th tl and third erwork
>>1732633nothing leaked about yorty's tree?he seemed to be the most interesting concept
>>1732666>Current year>Still hasn't caught on to the fact that all of these focus writing collections are just smoke and mirrors>Still probably really excited for the massive Jeckeln tree and everything like it that were teased that were the same thingA mark is born every day.
Doomposters gtfo. We keep the faith ITT.
>>1732682Covid came and went, none of the pre-Covid promises were kept.
>>1732597I love the little touch of him declassifying the UFO documents at the end of his presidency.
Just let me start a nuclear war in South America already ffs
I am confused by TNO, Bormann got diagnosed with lung cancer, a student protest triggered and my run... kind of... ended? Up until which year does the game go on? Isn't Himmler supposed to nuke me at some point?
>>1732630>crackersWhy does TNO allow blatant anti-white racism?
>>1732759The initial release was rushed to meet a deadline. Late game Bormann was hit hard by this. And instead of cleaning up the third act, the devs decided to start over from scratch and rework all of Germany.It's going about as well as you'd expect.
WHERE IS THE 2WRW OMSK UPDATEI'M DYING
>>1732905Working on coding the final parts by the sound of it, fingers crossed it won't take too long. Depends on if they got overambitious with any GUI or not.
>>1732905>>1732920Hoping it gets rid of the retarded world nuclear armageddon.
>>1729561Meme shit that ages like milk.
>>1732930We all do, anon.We all do.
>>1732933Could just be a sign that they got started on it several years ago when some of that stuff had anything resembling relevance.
>>1732845>It's going about as well as you'd expect.Did you play the leaks? Bormann is playable until the oil crisis. And that was almost half a year ago.
>>1733009It's been half a decade you dumb cunt and all they have to show for it as far as the regular user is concerned is the removal of Göring and nothing else. In the time they've taken to HYPOTHETICALLY make Bormann less unbearable due to the initial crunch, Kaiserreich has had a dozen updates and other major mods have come and gone while the regular users of TNO have gotten fucking nothing.TNO devs, stay useless and keep jerking off to the bullshit promises you'll never deliver on.
>>1733043TNO is a much more complex mod than those you mentioned.
>>1733055>uhm actually the reason we haven't updated in my entire adult life is because we're better than everyone else
Does anyone know the command for adding a powerplant to a state?
>>1733070just use instant construction
>>1733067TNO updated more than Kaiserreich last year
>>1733124New TNO content since january 2023:- Full Guangdong Content- 2 years of Ukraine content- 5 years of half of the UK contentNew Kaiserreich content since january 2023:-Full Shanxi Clique content + chinese mechanics update-Extensive LKMT rework -Full Ukraine Content-Extensive Germany rework-Full Ireland content
>>1733145Now compare the quality of that content. LKMT doesn't even have a quarter of events guangdong has.
>>1733145>2 years of Ukraine content>5 years of half of the UK contentNot true. Both last roughly the same but Ukraine has more paths to play.UK has around 2 years for 1 path.Ukraine has around 2 years for 4 paths.
>>1733145>Conveniently forgetting 8 years of Hart presidency added in Ugly American.
>>1733157that was TT3, released in October 2022
>>1733157That wasn’t ugly american you retard that was tt3 which was prior to 2023
>>1733170Yeah you're right my bad
>>1733148>Mentions quality>Instantly derails to a quantity argument>Loses both to KR anyway
>>1733193KR doesn't have complicated GUIs either.
>>1733200>Picks function over form>Gets more and better content out at the end of the dayFunny how that works, maybe others can learn a lesson from this?
>>1733145You're also forgetting:-New proxies in Haiti, Iceland, Madagascar and Greenland that were added in Ugly American-Ruin also includes the Channel Crisis-Facelifted JapanAlso nice job distorting what I said when I said that TNO released more updates IN 2023 than Kaiserreich, not since January 2023.
>>1733205>betterThat's your opinion and not the point.The point is that TNO releases less often because it has to do more research and dev more things than KR has to.
>>1733208Cope.>>1733211>Completely destroyed in an argument with hard facts>"Uhm, but as my opinion, the honorable TNO devs are still better because they do more work [citation needed]"roflmao
>>1733218>Completely destroyed in an argument with hard factsLol.Lmao even.Facts are TNO has to write hundred more events, code dozens of GUIs and make a lot of unique gfx (KR reuses generic icons A LOT) and thus takes more time to develop compared to other mods.
>>1733225No one cares about how you wrote five thousand events about gays resisting fascism or made a bullshit interface in six months that mechanically functions like a normal deccat with a ticking variable that normal people get done in a lazy weekend.
>>1733230Don't play the event and GUI heavy mod if you don't enjoy events and GUIs, then.But I enjoy them and I'm ready to wait for them because I know I'll have fun.
>>1733232>Your mod is shit>Don't play it thenYeah, I'm not, because you fags never update and on the rare cases you do all I hear is about how busted every shoehorned mini game is because you picked form over function and take years to make what others do in months.
They didn't scrap Lauri?>>1733232It always defaults to that doesn't it>well I like itYou can like eating dogshit, it doesn't make it any less retarded to do so.
>TNO devs are marxists who believe that value comes from work >They spend 6 months making pointless guis that don't affect anything and word salads that nobody reads>They claim that their product is superior and deserves 100x times more praise than Panzers TNO because they've spent more time on it>They get mad when the reality doesn't correspond with their expectations so they spend their time hating on the fanbase TNO is a living proof why socialism doesn't work
>>1733273No, he was never scrapped.Love it when the West Russian AI just gets stuck forever fighting Onega. Always a fun touch to a game.>>1733283TNO dev Discord is basically a digital CHAZ after all.
>>1733283>>1733290Praise Kek, mein bruders! Let's meme on those lefties!>MFW When I post my BASED Political Compass results and the tranny salt levels rise to unbelievable levelsPost your compasses, lads!
>>1733295>Tranny using memes that have been dead since 2017
>>1733308>Well poisoning tranny trying to blend in with the anonsTop. Bloody. Kek. Me and the lads are kekking and lelling in your face right now, troon.
>>1733295>>1733320>communist flies into an autistic rage and starts posting unfunny "ironic" memes from 2016 because someone made light fun of xzir pet ideologyWhy are you like this? Why can't you defend yourself aside from making an I AM SILLY-tier strawman of your enemies? Is it because sincerity is le cringe, and therefore you must hide behind 17 layers of irony?
I played Bormann, what should I play next?>Burgundy>Italy>Heydrich>Siberian Black Army>Huttig in africa
>>1733326Heydrich.
>>1733320You're the most obvious tourist ever, fuck off back to your Discord hugbox.>>1733326Seconding Heydrich, it's a unique experience if nothing else.
>>1733325>Troon thinks he can accuse me of Ad Hominem when he is clearly a Lib-Left well poisoner K E KEK>>1733341Lad, you are clearly not a Based Anon. And you really do not know how to meme. Get kekked on, mate.
>>1733351Please stop shitting up the thread devfag.
>>communist flies into an autistic rage and starts posting unfunny "ironic" memes from 2016 because someone made light fun of xzir pet ideology>Why are you like this? Why can't you defend yourself aside from making an I AM SILLY-tier strawman of your enemies? Is it because sincerity is le cringe, and therefore you must hide behind 17 layers of irony?
>>1733354>Bringing the based bantz to troons>"shitting up the thread"Post your hand, troon ESL.
>>1733354He's not a dev, he's the Iphone tranny that's constantly shitting up this board.
>>1733359>tranny acts like a retardWhy am I not surprised.
>>1733359>troon trying to call based anons troonskek what a pathetic attemptkeep trying to poison the well tranny
Ukraine lost
>>1733200There is the black monday card game. even then, decision minigames do the same and don't take as long to develop
>>1733422Decision minigames aren't as fun to play. Map GUIs or bust.
>>1733422black cock monday more like lol
>>1733283I just want to point out that that isn't what Marx meant. When he said that labor created value, he meant the minimum required labor determined value - for instance, once looms developed which could produce many times as fast as one person sewing, the value of cloth goods dropped accordingly whether handmade or machinemade, because the minimum labor to produce the item in general determined its' exchange value, not the actual amount of time spent on an individual item. As such, if the devs were being lazy and spent two years to produce something, but if by actually working on it they could make it in three months, the actual value of it would be equivalent to three months of labor, not two years.TNO devs are lazy fucks though.
>>1733431>Pressing normal button boring>Pressing shiny button funThis is why we can't have updates like other mods, folks.
>>1733455inb4 his two paragraph cope
>>1733355>wojakI accept your concession.
>>1733283>all of this>t. my assholenot even a marxist, but please read, nigger
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>>1733656Is Corn seriously planning to rework all of Russia or something?
>>1732762because cracker is not a real slur, even niggers know it doesn't work
>>1733336>>1733341Good reccomendationHoly fucking kino it's time to save the world
>>1733663Russia doesn't need a rework, it should be removed entirely.
>>1733656why is the filename “fake” Russia plans? Dev-kun, are you… spreading misinformation in our thread?
>Nothing new outside of half baked countries, an Ireland expansion in Asia, and some who in America>Abandon content they leaked years ago and decide to start from scratch (mind you, this was after they were reworking a country, they needed to do this twice because...they just do, okay!?)>Fandom is understandably upset over all the "progress" they've made, get called a dick if they speak out against the devs or anyone writing these things (See Swedish post(Also, TWR devs acknowledged their fandom being upset and made a post about it, what have the devs ever done that's come close to this))>Only have flowcharts and "docs" for things that'll be reworked by some new member (See French and Greek post on subreddit)>Kick out one of your devs because you weren't getting the attention that the brainlet discord trannies always give them (Ashley, understandably dealt with, then again this is the kind of people ye have? disgusting)>Try to ban any NPPfunny users because they leaked some stuff that'll ruin your image and just posted funny stuff in a...funny subreddit? And the only way you could make up for this was by having memes be posted from friday-sunday (That'll show em!(I forgot the actual dates, maybe it was less or more))The New Rework:Last day's of content is a dead mod, the development here is the equivalent of some new HOI4 mod that always shows stuff but never has a finished product. Enjoy more half baked content while the developers are to busy being faggots in their echo chamber, oh and if you ever speak out, [Your post has been removed for violation of the rule: Being a Dick].But what am I saying, HOI4 outta up your pay, double that salary for our dev team, take what they're havin' at Kaiserreich and give em' here, matter of fact, triple their pay! That'll get ye all runnin'!
>>1733728that's a very nice paragraph, anon, are you done yet? Or do you have more walls of text to throw about something you clearly care deeply about?
>>1733728nice anon, very melodramatic. Shame writer applications just closed. You'd make a great adition to the US team
Devs doing their hardest to make Romania and Hungary boring I don't know how but they did it, good job
I just thought about it and who is supposed to be Tsar Mikhail's heir? do any of the russian monarchs besides Rurik actually have any heirs?
>>1733895Elaborate, genuinely curious, don't know what's there.>>1733896That's a very good question, honestly hadn't thought about it since I kinda gave up when it became obvious that it'd never become relevant.
>>1733896Presumably Nikita since he's who they install in the Shepunov path.
>>1733904Isn't he less of a heir and more of a result of their scheme when your starting guy is exiled?
It's official, the 2wrw will start in 1976.Thoughts? Personally I think it's too early. The old plans of it starting in 1980~ made more sense imo.
>>1734084Are you talking about the submod? Because if it's actual TNO we're never fucking getting it. Germany, America and Japan don't even have their 60s content done yet and they've been WIP for years so it doesn't matter when they say it'll be.
>>1734097>Are you talking about the submod?No, Corn just revealed it in ask a dev.
What's the most fun I can get out of russia?What warlord? I was thinking siberian black army or dirgenwrangler brigade
>>1734100Germany doesn't have 60s content and Corn's talking about reworking every other tag in Russia. This is completely worthless information since it'll never materialize and also roughly what people have bandied about for years so it's not even really that new outside of a bit more specificity. He might as well be talking about the upcoming UFO invasion in TNO3.
>>1733673The thing was kinda kino until Hyedrich killed himself and my run ended for no decision I tookIt would have been cool to choose what path he would take but I was railroaded into -ACKing myself and I don't like it
>>1734108Any communist warlord. Comintern maxxing is the only thing that makes playing as Russia bearable.
When do you think TNO began to go downhill? More specifically, what did the team do that made you question the status of the mod? >Pink Panzer leaving>Atlantropa removal>"Realism">Leaks leading to nothing >Infighting and drama>Documents for more reworks rather than new content>No new content, instead cutting content (Glenn, Britanny, Burgundy, etc.)>The introduction of economics in toolbox theory>Incomplete content in The Ruin>Starting a rework from scratch, essentially a rework of a rework >Devs antagonizing anyone speaking against themThese are just some I've compiled from posts on reddit and discord.
>>1734112>The thing was kinda kino until... I was railroadedTNO in a nutshell
>>1734132TNO reached its lowest low during the wait for TT and it's only gone up from there.
Tried out Long Yun for the first time, good if a little too easy. Surprised I never sat through the four years of waiting.Also picrelated happened which I've never seen before.>>1734132Since you're a fellow /co/bro I'd say Panzer leaving left the mod directionless which is what caused rework hell. The immediate cope is that the new content is "better" by an entirely subjective metric when that isn't even the point being made.>>1734108Your subideology of choice.
>>1734132All the fucking reworks that never went anywhere and never will go anywhere. While it has a lot of merits on paper, I think for me personally it was Vote Pig and knowing that we'd basically be several years away from getting any content in America.With that, all majors were confirmed to be reworked from scratch. They've been spinning their wheels ever since and with all the drama and in-fighting over there it's obvious to me at least that we'll never see any of these. For instance, everything for France back in the day? Deleted, started over, guy making it was purged. Several years after that, we've only seen some flowcharts and that's it.They'll never finish anything.
Dead modRest in piss
What exactly would be the best/worst thing TNO can get this year? >BestThey announce that the reworks they had shown are actually near completion (Germany, France, Italy, Turkey, Britain, Ukraine, Poland, and Greece being 85%-90%), naming their next update "Under the New Sun" (Get it because they reworked europe or something). With this, the devs decide to give a reason for what they've done, apologizing but still moving forward, publishing thing's they've kept hidden (USA rework) and asking their fandom to remain with them through their development.>WorstContinued brain rot, rather than confront their fans, the devs continue to shut themselves away, only producing a half baked update ,or worse, nothing. The community, obviously upset begins to move on from TNO, and the mod continues to decay before being abandoned.
>>1734364Best - Burma contentWorst - No Burma content
>>1734364I will not be mean but Ioke of these is more likely than the other.>>1734370The only correct answer.
>>1734364I want Manchukuo because of how much I enjoyed Guangdong
>>1734393I worry for Manchukuo. They have one main dev, and they treat him like total shit because he's one of the few sane people left on the team. I hope they don't purge him because Manchukuo literally hinges on there being one guy around that can keep it up to the quality of Guangdong and not make it a 5-year rework cycle.
You know, the situations is getting a tad funny when Iron Curtain, a mod which many memed a lot (still do), is constantly treated as poor's man tno (gameplay wise, plus the wacky GUIs and the fact that you can play mine sweeper on it), lacked proper loc files and is still kinda buggy, is being treated better and delivering more than current TNO.I blame discord. If the devs kept themselves on a forum, they wouldn"t be equally braindead
>>1734433Who's the guy working on Manchukuo?
>>1734433They treat Yugo like shit? I thought he was one of the more respected devs on the team.
>>1734490It's just the impression I get since he's often a voice of reason on a lot of issues. Hopefully I'm wrong and just git a negative impression from some arguments and you're right. I'd much prefer that.
>>1734490he's not an obese californian so the faggy americans dislike him sometimes
I don't like how little influence the superpowers have over Russia. Germany could at the very least back deunifiers.
>>1734490Yeah Yugo is not perfect but he seems like a rational and generally nice dude
>>1734583>He's rationalThere's your problem.
Isn't Yugo the one bloating the map with VPs that don't matter or is that another dev?
>>1734592Yeah, that's him.
Do you guys know if there's a news from Turkey dev or that dev has died already?
>>1730622The only real difference is that the Dutch will pretend that they're a democracy while the country is being run by corps
>>1734470CW:IC is a meme mod, let's not be delusional here>is being treated better and delivering more than current TNOThe last update they pushed was the India update like a year ago (though I could be wrong).
>>1734608You make it sound so simple but something tells me there are a lot more hoops they'll have to jump through.
>>1730020Holy shit either outside or kill yourself, choose
>>1734611Just checked the workshop, they made a compatibility patch for the latest version along with content for Kaganovich in the USSR last month. I don't keep up with the mod though, it was very barebones when I tried it last year.
>>1734619>relitigating old bait
>>1734616>>1734616From what little I could gather from their discord, short term it doesn't affect that much, as for the long term, I don't know how much they had planned before so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>1734638Not buying it.>>1729807The lead dev explicitly mentions that their whole design team is re-designing the lore and that the whole timeline is in flux. It sounds a lot more serious than just adjusting the government structure a bit. It'll probably take more time than and effort than what you can skim in the Discord. Not accusing them of lying as much as they don't want to divulge too much on something that's WIP. It's like how most sane people don't announce a release date way ahead of time in case things change you know?
>>1734364The only one of those that's somewhat close to completion is, funnily enough, Germany.Also, half of what you've mentioned aren't reworks
>>1734679>The only one of those that's somewhat close to completion is, funnily enough, Germany.It was said in a roundtable that germany could possibly be released thiTTXNs year.
>>1733283>>1733290>>1733295>>1733308>>1733325>>1733351>>1733354>>1733355>>1733359>>1733445>>1733601>TNO is a living proof why socialism doesn't workAs you can see, what they call Vanguard Socialism, or Degenerated Socialism in their words is actually the only kind that does work. That is why the Soviet Union became a superpower before it lost it's confidence in itself, it is why Dengist China is outpacing the US.Western Socialists are the most useless people in the planet, which is why Right Wingers who study and internalize Critical Marxist Theory are being more warmly received by Russia and China. The future will be hegelian dialectic of this meeting ideas, the Western Socials can either join the train or get run over by Eurasia. It will become obvious when the boiling point is reached, as you see these "socialists" justify supporting Bourgeoisie American Interests due to Bourgeoisie obsessions of Anti-Racism.
>>1734694The only kind of socialism that can work are ones that incorporate higher ideals, such as culture, nation, religion, etc. Even the Soviet Union, the inventor of the system, knew this and created ethnostates for the various minorities living there. Of course they didn't use the term "ethnostate" and referred it as an "autonomous republic", but when you break it down, it operates the same way.
>>1734685"Germany could release this year." - Round table Germany devs, every year until autumn comes along"Germany is releasing next year." - The same people around Q4 every yearPlease adjust your expectations accordingly.
>>1734694>ChinaI can confirm that the German right-wing is connected with China.It's the same in Hungary and possibly Italy too.
>>1734611>>1734621It wasn't though. One of the few released updates was the Republic of China/Kuomitong rework. Also they don't have armageddon nuclear apocalypse autism that TNO does. You can go ham on things there.Still a meme mod, but it's coming out bettee than TNO
>>1734775God Emperor Conte is the only one that has some connections to China (very light) our right wing is almost entirely pro EU
adhemar stream tomorrow.
>stream for content that won't release for another two months
>>1734806The last stream was also like this, no?
>>1734824Ukraine stream was on the same mod it released
>>1734838*month
>>1734838lets not forget the embarrassment that was the TT3 stream.
>>1734803Don't care, but please post if anything funny happens.>>1734845My favorite stream was the one where Calph couldn't do anything right in the Algerian war or something and ended up losing trillions of men in an early proxy war, that was funny.All streams are total shit though if you're going in expecting actual content. I made the mistake of watching some of their earlier ones when I still gave a shit about the mod and hadn't had the last shreds of hope beaten out of me by the steady stream of endless reworks. Fucking Pacifica got on them and started to ramble about politics and shit. It was some of the most unwatchable shit I've ever seen.
>The Crow and The Bull currently is strictly a update for Brazil with coming touch-up's for Latin America>more content for countries bumblefuck nowhere landThey're never going to do anything in europe, are they?
>>1734852eurocentric much?
>>1734851>Pacifica and politicsPlease elaborate, I would love to hear what the top dev had to say.
>>1734852Reworking all of Germany from scratch takes time, anon.>>1734856I don't remember the details, it really wasn't that spectacular. It was just Pacifica talking about communism and derailing in-game stuff into that over and over. It wasn't even funny bad it was just someone overriding the stream with political talk. Did that several times but yeah the whole "no politics" rule never applies to team members who'd have thought.
Thoughts on this? https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4modding/comments/1c8tc8j/india_aar_part_two_final_war_for_independence/https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4modding/comments/1c8t833/an_india_aar_part_1_retrieved_deleted_india/
>>1734885Outdated lore, don't care.
>>1734890So then there's new stuff for india in the works then?
>>1734895They are working on india design yes. We even got a flowchart leaked half a year ago
>>1734895Yeah, it was leaked here.
>>1734898>>1734897>More docs
>>1734899Docs are needed for development, otherwise you end up in a Sweden situation where the lead leaves the team and no one knows what his plans were.
>dying developmentThe Brazil stream is gonna start in 1966 because Latin America proxies are unfinished and have missing loc, even Adhemar's tree looks shit and its loc is messy a day before stream.
>>1734917is this the full roundtable note?
>>1734917>Even more Russia reworksGod I hate this so much.
>>1734919We already knew for months that all of Russia was getting reworked, why complain now?
>>1734920Because it was shit then and it's shit now.
>>>1734920Because if they don't constantly mald and whine about everything they'll die of an aneurism or something
>>1734925You got it all wrong, it's the devfags that die if they don't rewooooork everything.
>>1734923>>1734926If there's a region that really needs reworking it's Russia.
>>1734932Fuck off retard it's the only place in the mod that's fun to play.
>>1734935"fun"
>>1734937Yeah, fun. The thing that the TNO dev fears the most, the thing that gets in the way of their retarded political grandstanding.
>>1734935Anon, all the trees have the same copypasted structure, there's an event drought in the latter half of the game and what little unique mechanics the warlords have are very barebones.
>>1734779>Still a meme mod, but it's coming out bettee than TNOEither a shill or retarded. TNO dev is a clusterfuck right now but you have to be delusional to think CWIC is run by remotely competent people capable of putting together well-researched fun content>inb4 CWIC is better because it has 20 years of good contentThe pace is shit and I am not going to wait a whole year to finish focuses and wait for a new proxy war.
>>1734942And it's still better than most shit because it's fun to fight the other warlords, many of them have interesting arcs, and I like building up the country from ruins to something resembling a state.
>>1734945But it's not like the reworks will change any of that. Why oppose them?
>>1734946STOP REWORKING EVERYTHING FROM SCRATCH YOU RETARDED TRANNY THIS IS WHY EVERYONE HATES YOU
>>1734918yep, due to lack of progress in most areas (map rework notably, hasn't been touched in a few weeks)
>>1730528Does this annoying fuck ever shut up
>>1734948>YOUI'm not a fucking dev, retard.
>>1734949>(map rework notably, hasn't been touched in a few weeks)BWAHAHAHA these faggots are useless
I don't like the Russian reworks because they will get rid of Deytsch. And they will probably get rid of Sablin too.
>>1734945No it isn't. It's not fun to replay the same country multiple times just with a slightly different focus tree
>>1734958>Tell someone you're having fun>"Actually, you're not having fun unless you do things the way I want."
>>1730524>>1730528>>1734950kek
>>1734960Hey, if you're having fun playing low quality shit then good for you I guess.
Is there way to cleanse europa of all leftiesAre you forced to embrace feminism immigration
>>1734962How is it low quality?Guangdong is arguably just as copy and paste between the four trees as any Russian warlord and most have something in the way of a "unique mechanic">well you have to wait a while for the big wars to startOh wow, I have to sit on speed five for 30 minutes, oh ACK I'm dying, we should've listened.
>>1734979Waiting 30 minutes for the big war boring.Waiting 30 months for an update that may have the big war funny.
>>1734965play Goring or game set everyone to be far right.
>>1734979Guandong is fun to mess around with, but you are arguable right, besides the fluff and the sort of products that each CEO can come with, all paths, besides Komai (or Not!Oboro if you play the based Moe reskin) are mostly the same.Which is a huge oversight honestly, specially the failed statesThere is no reason for a heavy handed Komai to be shafted by the Kenpetei. There is no reason for Matsuhita to be tortured by them either.In the same vein, there isn't much reason for the riots in Sony path, the quality of life improved lots and you can spot the Chinaman early.Everything bloating down to that boring power struggle in the final event chain is stupid (Heck at least make a shitty civil war ). Guandong has a fun start, but the end sucks balls, takes too much time and throw some of your choices out of the window (No, you having giga glowies throwing people into the sea and keeping a tight leash on the border, won't make your country more protected, nor giving more rights to tards will make them more open to negoation)
>>1735086It's a foundational problem specific to TNO, they are amateur writers making an alternative history far before they're strategy game fans making a strategy game. That's why they endlessly rework proposal leak and want to do nothing but discuss lore. They view those reworks as valid because the world is now "changed" in spite of the digital product that still exists.Take the easiest example of linearity with no reactivity, the Pacific conflicts. Malaya doesn't impact the Philippines which doesn't impact Indonesia which doesn't impact the US-Japan negotiations. The worst part is that it could just be a static buff, there doesn't need to be an intricate GUI, just a national spirit that says you're le winning and losing for either side and tiers to show how good/bad things really are.
>>1735105Yeah, the lack of impact on almost all the things you do hurts, it usually wouldn't bother much since HOI4 by all means is a map painting simulator, people that say otherwise were alienated by MEIOU and Taxes back then.But TNO doesn't sell themselves like that, and thus, we give flak, with reason.Winning or losing the cold war has no effects at all, putting Italy into the fold as Yapan or US of the A, has no effect at all besides some minor buff shared between then. Dismantling nukes has no effect at all. Getting too much involved in proxy wars had no effect at all.Messing up with the budget literally effects in nothing mathematically, the number change is almost too small for you to notice unless you max it or min it.Honestly they should have focused on having a set plan for the cold war, how each nation "fought", how insane the propaganda information, economic and political battlefields were between those countries, instead of expending years in making shitty countries just a few will play (Ukraine) and still delivering shit, which will be reworked because they can't be satisfied with their product
>>1729807Even if they change up the backstory and the starting situation, we don't know how much that they have actually thrown out and how bad the reworkism is. I want to see what they're doing with the corporate dominance thing before you can go ahead and say they died of terminal rework syndrome. The leak just mentions a facade democracy dominated by a single political party which to me implies that that's still going ahead, just with a more well covered outer layer. Did they still say that they were going to launch this year?
>>1735199I think so
if you fags want to play a hoi4 mod that feels like hoi4 just play hoi4 it's not difficult. or fuck of to the Wacky:TM and FunTM and TWR. It even has troon devs too!
>>1735243When is the TWR update even coming out.
>>1735243>We like the world and setting, but it'd be nice if it had more engaging and conventional gameplay on top of it>FUCK OFF PLAY SOMETHING ELSEReally winning over the lapsed fans with that one chief.
>>1735250I've got no reason to win you over. if you don't want to play TNO don't. If you want to play 2019 TNO slop then play that
>>1735259Actually yeah I want to play TNO not read your retarded political fanfic you cancerous tranny.
esl thread
>>1735105>just a national spirit that says you're le winning and losing for either side and tiers to show how good/bad things really are.That's literally what the Cold War GUI does.
>>1735283Play 2020 TNO then you ESL retard
>>1735283TNO was always a retarded political fanfic.
Ngl, I want to play a 1:1 conversion of the OG TNORP, seems kino
>>1735334Is there a good bullet point summary of what was going on in each continent in it?
God Hiroshimoot should honestly poster IDs so I can see which of you faggots are devs samefagging.
Did Janey ever do anything good while she worked at the mod?
>>1735527She spearheaded the speer rework and iirc also worked on SEA and central asia lore.
>>1735537Yes she did, she worked on Afghanistan and was going to do some minor countries in south Asia.
>>1735527Yes she personally visited me and thanked me for playing the mod.
>Mexico to be reworked with a NEW starting situation THANK YOU TNO I LOVE REWORKS
>>1735667>source: brazil stream
>>1735667Wait, wasn't Mexico nearly done? Are they rebooting this? Please elaborate, hope this is just a stream joke.
>>1735667it's not having its full starting situation reworked
Anything noteworthy about the stream?
>>1735703they are reworking everything that you liek
Anyone watching the stream? Does Adhemar look fun?
>>1735667Wait really? I didn't notice that, what changed?
>>1735710I'm honestly liking it so far, looks neat and the events look fun, you can send troops to Colombia
>>1735723>you can send troops to ColombiaYou can do that already, it's nothing new.
>>1735527Yeah.
>>1735710I didn’t feel like there was anything special about it. Maybe it’s because the mechanics were shown off properly, I’d need to play it for myself to see if I like it or not.
>Argentina and Brazil can get nukes, a mirror of OTL Pakistan and India>They can possibly (Unconfirmed) duke it out and maybe nuke each otherWhat are you hiding up your sleeves, devs
>>1735905>UnconfirmedIt was literally leaked here.
>>1733326Huttig is just... waiting for a collapse.Its so... gay.
>>1735905>maybe nuke each otherthe good thing is that brazil and argentina get nuked, the bad thing is that Messi wouldn't be born so i don't know if it would be worth it
>>1736104Major cities won't get nuked.
>>1736112>Says major cities won't get nuked>Posts an image with bold text contradicting this
>>1736117That's the exception, not the rule. More often that not nukes will only be used on the frontlines according to the doc.
>>1736118Then there are situations where major cities can get nuked and what you said is, in fact, contradicted by the image you posted by your own admission. This like saying that communists can't get elected in America at all because Hall's odds of being elected by the AI are one in a thousand.
>>1736120My point is in most scenarios of the Nuclear Exchange happening Messi will still be born unless those rare exceptions happen. It's not a guaranteed thing. So it's totally worth it.
>>1736121Thanks for agreeing that the first anon you replied to is correct in being sad that there will, in fact, be rare nuclear scenarios where Messi will not be born and this it will not be worth it and even providing a document leak confirming that anon's worries that such a scenario exists, however rare it may be.
>>1736123No problem.
>>1736112LATAM team is cooking, if only the Europe team wasn't full of eu faggots, I bet they're gonna say Russia can't get Ukraine in the 2WRW anymore in a few months (still no rework ofc)
>>1736139>I bet they're gonna say Russia can't get Ukraine in the 2WRW anymore in a few monthsAnon...
>>1736142We NEED the 2WRW to not go full retard and not implode
>>1736142President Zelensky can you conscript and send this dumbass nigger to die
>>1736142>Corn is reworking all of Russia>Corn is making extensive plans for 70s content that will never happenAnother two years of the Russia team spinning their wheels with nothing to show for it until Corn finally sees reason and steps down.>>1736149Sadly, I don't think Corn is eligible for their draft.
>>1730173>Are you seriously mentally retarded enough to believe that?Mate, this is 4chan. If you keep regurgitating some bullshit, the autists here will start to gospel it as truth. And if you keep doing it afterwards, the autists will at one point try to spread this truth in a public building with an assault rifle.
>>1736184No one here is retarded enough to believe that, you're just replying to a low-quality bait chain.
>>1736203>mateyou're talking to a dumbass who escaped from the project caesar thread
>>1730073Demographic realities are not schizophrenic delusions.
>>1732646then why the fuck has it taken 4 years and nothing gets released?
>>1736537Because if you keep restarting from scratch, your team can't release anything.And if you can't release anything because you keep starting over from scratch, people will give up and leave and fewer will join.Rinse and repeat.Though I'm sure you, unlike the person you replied to, already knew this.
>>1736537Blame discord troons who love smelling their own farts instead of working on this mod.
sir, another tranny has left the dev server. goodbye mestrecker
>>1736593Who is this and is it something that actually matters? If it's just someone that took a break or just felt like quitting I don't see the point in bringing it up, that happens all the time.
>>1736593Ded mod soon
>>1736593>>1736600It's exam season, so I don't think it's weird to see devs taking a temporary break, which I assume is the case here.
>>1736637If it's nothing more than that then the earlier anon should really stop being so trigger happy.
>>1736112Why wouldn't you nuke major cities? Isn't that the entire purpose of using one?
This time chat. The mod is really actually definatly dead this timethis place is full of devfags mad they can't rage about the mod not dying on the pleb server
>>1736656Not necessarily, nuclear weapons have a theoretical use as a way of taking out strongpoints or fleets and such if you read into nuclear warfare theory and I'm assuming that's what they're going for, with the blowing up cities aspect being relegated to a worst case scenario. Thankfully, we've never seen these tested either as nothing ever happens.>>1736657The idea that this thread is a civil war between devs that have given up and the few holdouts that still have faith that the reworks aren't just on par with a NFT scam is p. funny ngl.
>>1736112>The player will not have the ability to nuke major cities Fuck this shit
>>1736694Nigger the post you're replying to literally says that you can, just read the text in the image (which the TNO tranny leaking the document didn't).
>>1736890It'd probably just be some kind of boring shit that forcibly railroads you and the whole world into a game over though, at best. Likely it's even more boring.
>>1736890Anon, I'm not a dev, this doc was leaked a couple of threads back.
>>1736963>"I'm not a dev."t. Average TNO lead dev while desperately doing damage control in a thread that's mostly TNO devs wanting to use slurs while shitpostingWhy are all TNO devs so embarrassed about admitting that they're on the team?
>>1736971Would you not be embarrassed if you were a TNO dev?
>>1736973Yes, but I have a degree of self awareness and don't pretend that my shitty writing is political gold.
>>1736971>>1736973>>1736977TNO was sadly subverted by tranny faggots many years ago, it could have been great, but it's just a redditor's cartoon villain mod.
>>1736997It sorta was that back in the day too but at least it was fun and had some magic to it. Now just about everything we see outside of South America continuously gets reworked to strip away anything that made the setting new and unique at the time. And the dumbest part is that we won't even get to see any of it because they keep having team drama or redefine what realism is and start over from scratch over and over and over again. I think the France chart that leaked looked fun, but that's what, the fourth iteration of France at this point? Who says they won't force them to rework everything as well, and what are the odds that the current lead won't get removed like the last guy?It's just pointless to have any hope for anything unless all you care about is sporadic lore drops for content that will either never drop or be the most watered down nonsense ever (again South America seems to be safe for now).
>>1736971Reposting something that was leaked in an earlier thread doesn't make me a dev, no matter how much you want to ad hominem me.
>>1737050>Being a devfag is such a hated thing in the community that it's regarded as an insultThe absolute state of this mod.
>>1737068t. crypto devfag
>>1737153t. crypto devfag
Is there any working submods nowadays, besides the Goring and the BlueSablin West War one? Are they good?
>Takagi run going well and dandy, economy is at high time high, Kenpetei cucked, naysayers cucked, Murica and Germony, cucked.>Kato suddenly chimp out, start to shit on my government and my stability fucking tanks>I lose before I could even negoatiate with her and her croniesTf is her problem? Isn't she supposed to be in Takagi side? Why tf would she make such a big ass riot and push students into shitting things up, instead of just using Takagi to pass her reforms?Is that it? Takagi run is doomed to failure unless you pick the glowie, borneo gutting path?
>>1737244There's a submod that restores Men's content that's compatible with 2WRW, but it's unchanged from the original so YMMV.
>>1736622Haven't seen monarchy-chan in ages
>>1734694dengist china is the direct enemy of vanguard socialism you idiot
>>1737153>>1737160a microcosom of the dev civil war
>>1734694>Right Wingers who study and internalize Critical Marxist Theory Not real, try winning in Ukraine and Taiwan before you say anything.
>>1737459go to leftypol, she's still popular there
>>1737561Why the fuck would she be popular on leftypol and why would you know that?
>>1737580>why the fuck would she be popular on leftypolshipped with the board mascot>why would you know thatleftypol user, obviously
>>1737682>shipped with the board mascotBoth her and Alunya are built for BCC (Big Chud Cock).>leftypol user, obviouslyOf course leftypol troons are in the TNO thread...Kys.
>>1737459I just saved it from 4+4 moe but the monarch board is still ded.
>>1737796I don't even play TNO lol, the thread is just funny to watch.As for killing myself I don't think I will. Enjoy your day!
>>1737824based!
>>1737476retard
Lacerda party mech doc and event chains.https://files.catbox.moe/m6r5mf.pdf
>>1738174>Everything they do gets leakedWhen will they learn?
>>1737802She's cute.My waifu is cuter.
Got bored and came up with an idea for a Bosnian proxy conflict.>Serbia and Croatia both want Bosnia in their sphere of influence/annexed for irredentist reasons>after Croatia spits out Bosnia, Serbia sees an opportunity to get back its old place as the most important country in the region as well as sticking it to Croatia, while Croatia wants to hold onto its position that it had up until Bosnia became independent>they start attempting to influence Bosnian elections in '68, mechanically it'd be similar to the Race for the Urals in Russia or the party mechanic in new Britain>if no side has a clear majority it devolves into a civil war in '69 with both sides able to send volunteers to their supported tag>if it drags on long enough for the Oil Crisis to hit, with the major powers too busy trying to save themselves and focusing on the Middle East to care Serbia and Croatia declare war on each other to settle the score with each other once and for all>the only way to avoid the conflict would be if both Serbia and Croatia have pro Yugoslav governmentsThis might be too much like IRL but after '65 nothing really happens in the Balkans so it might be interesting.
>>1738257Congratulations anon, you just put more thought and effort into Balkan content than the actual dev team has in several years.
>>1738257This is decent actually, only problem is how do Italy and Turkey react? Red Italy would def support yugoslavists
>>1737824>>1737964Samefagging dev
>>1738292Red Italy would enjoy anything as long as Italians suffer
>>1738292>TurkeyI'll be honest I didn't consider them in my equation originally but I think they'd put pressure on Serbia to not warcrime the Bosniaks if they were in Turkey's faction (I think the devs said Serbia could join Turkey's faction in the future) if it reaches Stage 2 or 3, otherwise they'd likely support Croatia's Bosnian faction as from what I've read the Croatians were more tolerant of Muslims than the Serbs were at the time, and would protest to Serbia's overlord as well as offer asylum to anyone that flees.>ItalyIt depends on the leaders, but in Stage 1 I don't think they would pay close attention particularly if they were all in the same faction given Fash Italy is reeling from the East African collapse and Dem Italy and Red Italy probably have similar crises, but if Serbia were in another faction they might lodge a protest with Serbia and their overlord if they were to win.In Stage 2 Fash and Dem Italy would support Croatia's Bosnian faction assuming Serbia wasn't in theirs, but if both were they would have a decision to bring both sides to the table to influence the outcome via delaying the start of the war or negotiating to tilt the scales towards who they want to win though the latter would only happen if the player was Italy. Red Italy would support whoever is the pro Yugoslav faction assuming only one of them is pro Yugoslav.In Stage 3 they'd be in the thick of the Oil Crisis so with their attention elsewhere it gives the perfect opportunity for the Balkan countries to go to war. If non-Yugoslav Serbia wins before it ends and they weren't in Italy's faction they might get away with it especially if Italy also lost the Crisis, but if it drags on past the Crisis Italy could invade Serbia with their overlord cutting their strings deeming them too much of a troublemaker. The other outcomes are either neutral or favour Italy so I don't think they'd do anything.>>1738278The bar doesn't exist but I'll take it, thanks anon.
>>1738362Half-joking but you did fine. It's a fun thought experiment. Me and some friends did something similar where we imagined what a Balkan war might look like. The region has a lot of potential especially with how much of an ethnic and political tinderbox it'd be, so it's a shame that they never did anything with it and that countries like Romania go out of their way to focus on tamer politics.Hope you keep having fun doing what you do, you clearly put a lot of effort into this (so nothing of the sort will sadly be added to the mod).
Portugal teaser.
>>1738606Never releasing, this has been in dev hell for years, no one cares, not even going to bother clicking on the thumbnail. Even if it's real it'll just get reworked again like everything else.
>>17386064chan leaks surpas loc slop as always
>>1738613I'm willing to bet that they will make it a hispanic package. Adhemar + Lacerda + Iberian Wars this summer.
>>1738692With the odds being one in a trillion, sure, why not throw away a dime on it,
>>1738692fairly sure they decoupled the iberian wars from the brazil patch a long time ago
>>1738826It's decoupled from actually releasing ever.
>Goring submod has a wacky, short, but interesting fluff event where you visit congo with Rommel>Also all the heart warming event with Goring nieceYou know, after playing this mod I started to see that, TNO problem isn't the fluff, but the way the fluff is handled, too much bloated chains of events that follows the lives of literally whos, who won't matter at all in the plotline, written in the most tiresome way possible, with too much unecessary details, making it even more boring and time consuming to read them at all.What's the problem with devfags? Why don't they make more fluff revolving around the country ruler or the faceless shitty advisors I can't fire, instead of plucking OCs out of their arses just to say "there one unit of hobos/opressed minority in your country, thus it's bad" It's understandable to get a bit of a pov from the little guys, but it get annoying when events like that are everywhere and add nothing at all
>>1739007It's not that these things can't work, there are several examples of stories about individuals working, and examples of tags focusing a lot on your main group of people.Magadan I'd say puts a good spotlight on the day to day life of a Brownshirt, how the life of the locals evolve with the influx of mercenaries and foreign goods, and you even have some OCs evolving to become a bit endearing like the DJs.Another example would be Amur, with Rodzaevsky having a good arc from drunken puppet to a changed man, with some levity with Mura being thrown in to offset the fighting with Bolotov (so of course the tag is being reworked and all of that will likely be deleted in favor of slop but at least it's good now).So TNO itself can do the things you seemed to like. The problem is that as you say, it misses the mark a lot. You have a lot of people that have a huge gap between their abilities (amateur hobbyist) and ambition ("I want to end [ideology I dislike] for good with my writing"), so you're gonna end up with a lot of vapid OCs, atrocity porn for the sake of atrocity porn, heavy-handed shoehorning of narratives and so on. There are diamonds in the rough, but with the egos and motives involved, most will be abject garbage. Goering might just be better in aggregate because the people making it just wanted to make something they felt was fun, instead of deluding themselves into thinking that they'd change the world.If it's any consolation, you can at least laugh over the fact that the only things they wrote that actually caught on with the general audiences was Slavs loving Omsk and Tabby "for the wrong reasons", Burgundy being the most iconic inclusion in the mod, and Wallop being the only guy in Britain people seem to actually remember.
>>1739170>"I want to end [ideology I dislike] for good with my writing"This isn't the case since panzer left.
>>1739191You're incredibly naïve if you don't think that a lot of writers still have that thought in their heads even with Panzer gone because even with Panzer not outright mandating it a lot of the preachy writing tropes that characterized early TNO still show up in new content. Stop using him as a kind of boogeyman to explain away all past, present and future flaws with the mod. He's been gone for years and everything that sucks since he left isn't his fault.
>>1739194>a lot of the preachy writing tropes that characterized early TNO still show up in new content.For example?
How long until the Italy update?
>>1739314A lot of the more froced LGBTQ events is mostly what comes to mind that's actually been released. Most other things are just relegated to design docs and things that will be released soon+2 weeks. I know for a fact that Amur's rework will have that based on earlier leaks here. A lot of the post-Panzer content that seems like improvements are still in dev hell too. It's obviously nice that they're not mandating all dictatorships to always fail, but after nearly half a decade, the rubber still hasn't hit the road on that yet, and all they've really shown for it is Goering being skeletonized and them announcing that Burgundy will be killed.
>>1739323Have you seen the bormann rework?
>>1739350I don't care about their vaporware toozers until something actually drops, sorry.
>>1739375It's not vaporwave, a playable build was leaked here.
>>1739495>playable
>>1739509It literally is playable until the oil crisis. The only thing lacking is loc and gfxs but the mechanics and focus effects are there.
>>1739560Fuck off no one cares + they'll rework it later anyway.
>>1739571t. panzfag
>>1739579If not wanting to wait my entire adult life for these faggots to rework everything from scratch makes me a Panzerite then 99% of the community outside the dev clique are Panzerites at this point.
>>1739323At this point why not make a submod to delete all LGBTQ events from the game, and maybe even replace those events with something else if you feel like it
LGBTQ event about an Italian woman and an Ethiopian girl when.
>>1739808>>1739864Replace all the boring generic LGBTQ oppression Olympics events with cute Italo-Ethiopian love pairings and you might be onto something.
>>1739864Dangerously close. Muti has an event chain about an Italian and an Eritrean blackshirt bonding after being forced to shovel shit as punishment for fighting. No homo tho.
>>1739883The army has always been filled with loser faggots since the dawn of mankind, nothing weird about this
>>1739808They would nuke the mod in a second. Remember when Red Italy was uploaded to workshop? Or when Goering and Africa Adieu had some very "deep" pop control shenanigans? Yeah, retards flamed those til they were forced to remove those mechanics.Sadly, Steam Workshop is currently being held hostage by tards
>>1739946Duh, the team is filled with troons. Can't have anything nice with these people
>>1739808>>1739946>>1740024Let's be honest none of you Rusfags and Ukrfags can code anyway. You'd fit right in on TNO Project Restoration, see if they'll remove them>>1739864I'll accept this is kino though
>>1740079Are the Rusfags and Ukrfags in the room with us right now? Remember to take your meds please.
>>1740121t. Slav
>>1740079>>1740128>Bringing up Rusfag and Ukrfag out of nowhererent free
New thread?
>>1741532Dead mod dead thread.If you make a new thread either make it Burma-themed or dead mod-themed. I'd prefer the prior because Burmanon is cool.
>>1741532You mean like a general?
>>1741581Thank you anon, you're so nice :)
