feel like pure shit just want more civs

>>1729498
ChatGPT gave me 15 civ concepts

1. Vlachs
>Unique Unit: Străjer (infantry)
>Wonder: Bran Castle (1377, Romania)

2. Finns
>Unique Unit: Suomalainen (cavalry archer)
>Wonder: Turku Castle (13th century, Finland)

3. Jurchen
>Unique Unit: Nuzhen Cavalry (cavalry)
>Wonder: Shangjing Longhua Temple (12th century, China)

4. Tongans
>Unique Unit: Toa (infantry)
>Wonder: Ha'amonga 'a Maui Trilithon (1200, Tonga)

5. Tibetans
>Unique Unit: Khampa Rider (cavalry)
>Wonder: Potala Palace (1645, China)

6. Songhai
>Unique Unit: Gao Warrior (infantry)
>Wonder: Tomb of Askia (15th century, Mali)

7. Vandals
>Unique Unit: Asding Horseman (cavalry)
>Wonder: Baths of Antoninus (2nd century, Tunisia)

8. Kurds
>Unique Unit: Peshmerga (infantry)
>Wonder: Citadel of Erbil (c. 6000 BCE, Iraq)

9. Somalians
>Unique Unit: Issa Warrior (cavalry)
>Wonder: Fakr ad-Din Mosque (1269, Somalia)

10. Afghans
>Unique Unit: Zamburak (camel hand-cannoneer)
>Wonder: Buddhas of Bamiyan (6th century, Afghanistan)

11. Navajo
>Unique Unit: Code Talker (archer)
>Wonder: Canyon de Chelly (13th century, USA)

12. Maasai
>Unique Unit: Moran (cavalry)
>Wonder: Ol Doinyo Lengai (200, Tanzania)

13. Sami
>Unique Unit: Noaidi (monk)
>Wonder: Alta Rock Carvings (4200 BCE, Norway)

14. Inuit
>Unique Unit: Inukshuk (spearman)
>Wonder: Inuksuk Point (1200, Canada)

15. Nenets
>Unique Unit: Reindeer Archer (cavalry archer)
>Wonder: Yar-Sale Stone Labyrinths (3000 BCE, Russia)

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>>1729532
Bran Castle actually would look pretty good as unique castle skin.

>>1729477
WE
WUZ
II
The Age of Kangz 'n SHIEEETT!

>>1729532
Now make AI come up with special bonuses and ideas for campaigns for these nations.

>>1729532
>tibetans, china
>vandals, roman bath
>kurds, latest notable building 6000 bc
>navajo, ww2 unit
I laffed.

>>1729532
You are like a little baby, watch this

1. Muisca
Unique Unit: Laughter Warrior (Anti-Cavalry Infantry)
Wonder: The Lost City of Hunza (10th century, Colombia)

2. Kuna
Unique Unit: Mola Blaster (Siege Artillery)
Wonder: The Hanging Gardens of San Blas (16h century, San Blas Islands)

3. Pazzi Clan
Unique Unit: Ivory Crossbowman (Ranged Infantry)
Wonder: The Medici Charnel House (15th century, Florence)

4. Yayoi
Unique Unit: Stonemason Champion (Infantry)
Wonder: Burial Mounds of Yoshinogari (3rd century BC, Kyushu Japan)

5. Alemannic Tribe
Unique Unit: Cheese Roller (Cavalry)
Wonder: Hochschildenspirale (6th century BC, Germany)

6. Wari
Unique Unit: Headhunter Archer (Ranged Infantry)
Wonder: The Pyramids of Túcume (7th century AD, Peru)

7. Thrace
Unique Unit: Getae Skirmisher (Light Infantry)
Wonder: The Tomb of Seuthes III (4th century BC, modern day Bulgaria)

8. Mitanni
Unique Unit: Horse Trainer (Supports Cavalry)
Wonder: The Palace of Washukanni (14th century BC, Syria)

9. Zapotecs
Unique Unit: Mezcal Brewmaster (Economic Unit)
Wonder: Monte Albán (6th century BC, Mexico)

10. Xiximes
Unique Unit: Scorpion Venom Skirmisher (Light Infantry)
Wonder: Cliff Dwellings of Semiñaku (15th century, Mexico)

11. Utsire Culture
Unique Unit: Bog Body Infantry (Infantry with Plague ability)
Wonder: Raised Stone Circle of Rødgården (1st century BC, Norway)

12. Maldivian Sultanate
Unique Unit: Dhoni Skirmisher (Boat Infantry)
Wonder: Coral Mosques of Malé (12th century, Maldives)

>>1729532
>Reindeer Archer
what the hell

>>1729532
How are Finns any different than Mongols, also lol 6000 BCE

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Why are high elo players so bad?

>>1729600
Vlachs
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Străjer units have +1/+1 armor in Castle Age and +2/+2 in Imperial Age.
>2. Shepherds work 25% faster.
>3. Stone walls and towers cost -50% stone.
Unique Techs:
>1. Drăculești Legacy: Străjer units regenerate health over time.
>2. Carpathian Fortifications: Stone walls and towers gain +2/+2 armor.
>Team Bonus: Allies' herdables fatten 15% faster.
Campaign Title: **"Voices of the Carpathians"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Defend Bran Castle against invading forces.
>2. Lead a Vlach shepherd uprising against oppressive overlords.
>3. Navigate the treacherous Carpathian Mountains to secure resources.

2. Finns
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Forestry upgrades are free.
>2. Fishermen work 15% faster.
>3. Villagers have +2 line of sight.
Unique Techs:
>1. Sisu: Suomalainen units have +2 pierce armor.
>2. Hakkapeliitta Tactics: Cavalry archers have +1 range.
Team Bonus: Allies' Siege Workshops work 20% faster.
Campaign Title: **"Guardians of the North"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Establish trade routes across the Baltic Sea while defending against raiders.
>2. Lead the defense of Turku Castle against invading forces.
>3. Navigate the dense Finnish forests to rescue captured villagers.

3. Jurchen
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Nuzhen Cavalry move 10% faster.
>2. Farmers work 10% faster.
>3. Start with +150 food.
Unique Techs:
>1. Iron Cavalry: Nuzhen Cavalry deal +2 attack against infantry.
>2. Great Wall Tactics: Walls and towers have +1 range.
>Team Bonus: Allies' stables work 20% faster.
Campaign Title: **"Riders of the Steppe"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Lead a Jurchen cavalry charge to secure vital trade routes.
>2. Defend the Shangjing Longhua Temple from enemy incursions.
>3. Launch a surprise attack on enemy settlements using swift cavalry maneuvers.

4. Tongans
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Toa units have +20% hit points.
>2. Fishing Ships have double carry capacity.
>3. Houses support 10 population.
Unique Techs:
>1. Ha'amonga Engineering: Toa units gain +2/+2 armor.
>2. Polynesian Navigation: Warships move 10% faster.
>Team Bonus: Allies' docks work 15% faster.
Campaign Title: **"Sons of the Pacific"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Establish a maritime empire by colonizing nearby islands.
>2. Defend the Ha'amonga 'a Maui Trilithon against foreign invaders.
>3. Navigate treacherous waters to trade with distant civilizations.

5. Tibetans
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Khampa Riders deal +1/+1 damage against cavalry.
>2. Monasteries work 20% faster.
>3. Stone miners carry +15 resources.
Unique Techs:
>1. Himalayan Defense: Fortifications cost -50% stone.
>2. Lama's Blessing: Monks regenerate health over time.
>Team Bonus: Allies' monks have +1 conversion range.
Campaign Title: **"Roof of the World"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Defend the Potala Palace from invading forces seeking to control the region.
>2. Lead a resistance movement against foreign conquerors in the Himalayan foothills.
>3. Secure valuable trade routes through the treacherous mountain passes.

6. Songhai
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Gold mines last 25% longer.
>2. Gao Warriors have +1/+1 armor.
>3. Market trade fees are reduced by 50%.
Unique Techs:
>1. Askia's Legacy: Gao Warriors regenerate health over time.
>2. Sahelian Warfare: Cavalry units have +1 pierce armor.
>Team Bonus: Allies' markets generate +20% gold.
Campaign Title: **"Sands of the Sahara"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Lead the Songhai forces in repelling foreign invaders from the Sahara Desert.
>2. Establish lucrative trade routes across the Sahel region.
>3. Unite the disparate tribes of the Sahel to resist colonial encroachment.

7. Vandals
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Ships move 10% faster.
>2. Monks have +3 conversion range.
>3. Cavalry units have +1 attack against buildings.
Unique Techs:
>1. Vandal Raids: Infantry gain a chance to steal resources upon killing enemy units.
>2. Mediterranean Mastery: Warships have +1/+1 armor.
>Team Bonus: Allies' trade units generate +15% gold.
Campaign Title: **"Lords of the Mediterranean"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Lead the Vandals in sacking Rome and establishing a maritime empire in the Mediterranean.
>2. Navigate the Strait of Gibraltar to secure control of vital trade routes.
>3. Defend the Baths of Antoninus against Roman retaliation led by Belisarius.

8. Kurds
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Villagers move 10% faster.
>2. Archer units have +1 range.
>3. Universities work 20% faster.
Unique Techs:
>1. Kurdish Fortifications: Towers have double garrison capacity.
>2. Guerrilla Tactics: Archer units gain +1/+1 armor when garrisoned in buildings.
>Team Bonus: Allies' archery ranges work 20% faster.
Campaign Title: **"Mountains of Destiny"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Lead Kurdish resistance fighters in defending the Citadel of Erbil against invaders.
>2. Launch guerrilla attacks from the Zagros Mountains to disrupt enemy supply lines.
>3. Navigate the mountainous terrain to establish alliances with neighboring tribes and unify the Kurds.

9. Somalians
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Camel units have +20% hit points.
>2. Markets cost -100 wood.
>3. Trade units move 10% faster.
Unique Techs:
>1. Somali Pirates: Ships have increased line of sight and gain +1/+1 armor.
>2. Somali Merchants: Markets generate +50% gold.
>Team Bonus: Trade units generate +10% gold.
Campaign Title: **"Horn of Africa"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Lead the Somalian navy in raiding the Red Sea trade routes and establishing dominance over the Indian Ocean.
>2. Defend a Mosque against invading forces seeking to control the Somali coast.
>3. Establish trade alliances with distant civilizations to enrich the ports of Mogadishu and Berbera.

10. Afghans
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Camels and cavalry archers have +1/+1 armor.
>2. Stone walls and gates are constructed 50% faster.
>3. Can train Zamburaks at the Archery Range.
Unique Techs:
>1. Afghan Tribesmanship: Villagers gather resources 10% faster for each allied town center.
>2. Mountain Strongholds: Towers gain +1 range and deal additional damage to infantry units.
>Team Bonus: Allies' cavalry archers have +1 attack against infantry.
Campaign Title: **"Guardians of the Hindu Kush"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Defend the Buddhas of Bamiyan against foreign invaders seeking to destroy them.
>2. Lead Afghan tribes in repelling Mongol incursions into the rugged mountain passes.
>3. Establish fortified strongholds along the Silk Road to protect lucrative trade routes.

11. Navajo
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Sheep provide +25% food.
>2. Archery Ranges and Stables cost -50 wood.
>3. Buildings have +1/+1 armor in the Feudal Age.
Unique Techs:
>1. Navajo Scouts: Units gain +2 line of sight and move 10% faster.
>2. Canyon Warfare: Archers and cavalry units deal additional damage when fighting within canyon terrain.
>Team Bonus: Allies' archery ranges work 20% faster.
Campaign Title: **"Sons of the Canyon"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Defend Canyon de Chelly against Spanish conquistadors seeking to subjugate the Navajo people.
>2. Lead Navajo warriors in raids against rival tribes to secure territory and resources.
>3. Navigate the rugged terrain of the American Southwest to establish trade alliances with neighboring civilizations.

12. Maasai
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Pastoralists work 25% faster.
>2. Herding animals cost -50% wood.
>3. Infantry units have +1 attack against cavalry.
Unique Techs:
>1. Moran Training: Infantry units gain +1 pierce armor and move 10% faster.
>2. Warrior Rituals: Barracks units regenerate health over time.
>Team Bonus: Allies' villagers have +10% movement speed.
Campaign Title: **"Savannah Kings"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Lead the Maasai in defending their lands and cattle from encroaching colonial powers.
>2. Embark on cattle raids against rival tribes to assert dominance on the East African plains.
>3. Navigate the Serengeti to establish alliances with neighboring tribes and secure vital trade routes.

13. Sami
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Hunters gather food 15% faster.
>2. All units move 10% faster on snow maps.
>3. Skirmishers and spearmen have +1 pierce armor.
Unique Techs:
>1. Shamanic Blessing: Units regenerate health over time when in friendly territory.
>2. Northern Warfare: Skirmishers and spearmen deal bonus damage against cavalry.
>Team Bonus: Allies' archery ranges and barracks work 20% faster.
Campaign Title: **"Masters of the North"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Defend the Alta Rock Carvings against invading forces seeking to desecrate sacred sites.
>2. Lead Sami hunters in tracking and capturing elusive prey in the harsh Arctic wilderness.
>3. Navigate frozen rivers and treacherous terrain to establish trade alliances with the Finns.

14. Inuit
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Fishing Ships have double carry capacity.
>2. Villagers gather food from hunting animals 15% faster.
>3. Ice-covered lakes and shallows are build-able terrain.
Unique Techs:
>1. Arctic Survival: Units move 10% faster and take reduced damage from arrows.
>2. Igloo Construction: Houses generate a small trickle of food.
>Team Bonus: Allies' fishing ships work 20% faster.
Campaign Title: **"Lords of the Frozen North"**
Scenario Ideas:
>1. Defend Inuksuk Point from rival clans vying for control of the Arctic coastline.
>2. Lead Inuit hunters in tracking and hunting polar bears and seals to sustain the tribe through the harsh winter.
>3. Navigate treacherous ice floes and frozen seas to establish trade routes with distant civilizations.

15. Nenets
Civ Bonuses:
>1. Reindeer Archers have +1 range.
>2. Herdables provide +25% food.
>3. Villagers gather food from herdables 10% faster.
Unique Techs:
>1. Tundra Tactics: Reindeer Archers gain bonus damage against cavalry and buildings.
>2. Shamanic Blessing: Units regenerate health over time when in friendly territory.
>Team Bonus: Allies' cavalry units have +1 pierce armor.
Campaign Title: **"Guardians of the Tundra"**
- Scenario Ideas:
>1. Build the Yar-Sale Stone Labyrinths as you are raided by rival tribes seeking to plunder ancient treasures.
>2. Lead Nenets reindeer archers in hunting migratory herds across the frozen tundra.
>3. Navigate icy rivers and blizzard conditions to establish trade alliances with distant civilizations.

AI isn't very creative, most of these are very similar

Stop with the AI bullshit
No one gives a fuck what the machine thinks of.

I'll be able to play and commit to posting (w/images) next month. Should liven the board up.

Thanks Ghostmaster

>>1729797
I've hoped AI would bring historical figures and events to base campaigns on. That's disappointing.

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>play custom scenario
>first 10 minutes are quiet
>suddenly full blown attack by 4 different enemies all at once with rams, cavaliers and bombard cannons

Do you think Hindustanis camels are good enough replacement for knight-line to be worth leaning into even when opponent doesn't go cavalry or is it overall better to go for archers or other strategy?

>>1730108
No, light cav have more attack. Crossbow/cav archers can work

>>1729477
>Khan
That's clearly a samurai (Korean) and a depiction of an emperor of Vietnam, not a Khan (Chinese)

>>1730114
Right, I should have check the stats first. Even with Hindustanis +20% to attack speed of camels it doesn't seem great.

>>1730108
Camels are not knights or a knight-analogue.

>I don't know if I will be able to host any more tournaments
It feels like everyone says this before, during and after their events, only Nili has quit for real. Watch T90 pull a titans league successor in a few months and then announce the next hidden cup

>>1729532
>chatGPT doesnt include the USA
fuck chatGPT

>>1730319
How is Memb paying for Warlords III? Like a week before he announced it, he was complaining that his channel isn't viable to run

>>1730504
>How is Memb paying for Warlords III?
Most prizepools are Microsoft money. Tournament organizers pay people to do maps and admin tournaments and that's where they lose money I guess. In Nili's case with NAC, he was paying for their stays as well and I think bought everyone food.

>>1730594
>In Nili's case with NAC, he was paying for their stays as well and I think bought everyone food.
Expensive, luckily redbull has fuck you money.
>>1730504
A lot of the prizepool is microsoft, Membs viewership increases a lot during tournaments so he should make back what he put in

>>1730614
>Expensive, luckily redbull has fuck you money.
I am convinced someone high up in Redbull REALLY REALLY likes AoE2 to keep funding the tournaments, although I believe Wololo is also their highest viewed tournament for their channel so that helps.

>>1730370
where do you think the Navajo are from

>>1730687
They crossed the Bering Land Bridge.

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Why did Germs get these campaigns and scenarios?

>>1730692
into what is now the USA

I am still set on the game having a Polynesian civ, I don't see why it wouldn't work
Civ Bonuses
>Gain access to dock technologies one age earlier
>Trade cogs move faster
>For every 10 infantry units in a group, movement speed increases by 5%
>Your first dock produces a free Drua, a fast-moving transport ship with high line-of-sight and auto-scout
Unique Unit
>Māori Warrior: fast-moving infantry units armed with clubs. They deal increased damage against enemy villagers, killing un-loomed villagers in one shot
Unique Techs
>Aio'pio Fishtraps: docks provide a trickle of food
>Haka: infantry units regenerate health over time
Team Bonus
>Allied fishing ships gain +1/+1 armor
Campaign
>Centered around the exploration and colonization of the Pacific Islands, following the campaigns of Momo and Tuʻi-tā-tui as they conquered and unified Tonga and Samoa
>This could include establishing trade routes with South-East Asian civs in the post-Lapita period
Wonder
>Haʻamonga ʻa Maui or an Easter Island Mo'ai

>>1730763
Why don't you at least play the game so you know why this is unworkable?

>>1730763
Oh and I forgot one more bonus
>Skirmishers have no minimum range
>>1730769
Explain yourself

>>1730770
If you were new, maybe, but you've been posting this for at least a year.
Why not put some effort in?

>>1730763
>no food bonus per unit kill to represent cannibalism
gay

>>1730773
Maybe something like
>10 food refunded when own villagers are killed

>>1730772
I have definitely not posted this for a year, this is my second time ever posting it

>>1730741
It's a unofficial third-party expansion. Most likely the company which made this didn't operated outside of Germany. The fact they didn't put their logo or name anywhere on the box as well tells you that they wanted to keep this thing low profile.

>>1730774
i meant it more as maori getting 10-15food when they kill an enemy unit (military OR economic).

>>1730838
I like it a lot

>>1730769
what a belligerent response this is, saying nothing at all while implying that he is the fool instead of you

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>>1730837
there was 4 of those thing made for aoe2 and 7 (only 5 shown on image) of those for aoe1

>>1731536
For some reason, the way how Khan is written there with that distorted font amuses me greatly.

hand cannoneer buff when?

>>1730763
early dock upgrades is way too strong on water
a raiding unit that isn't available until castle age is useless
haka should be a bonus not a tech

I would love so much if there was a nation with "thumb ring works on hand cannoneers" bonus.

>>1731946
guns dont need thumb rings though.

>>1731972
Neither do crossbows and javelins

>>1731946
I already said the way to buff hand cannons is make ballistics apply to them normally and change arquebus to work like thumb ring

>>1731972
what about gas pedals?

>>1731991
We don't need to buff handcannons retard

>>1732011
Rude

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>Weakest part of my game is getting enough farms placed without grinding my gameplay to a halt
>Mfw this next patch

>>1730763
I want the Polynesians so badly but I think that they might have to be too asynchronous to the rest of the civs in the game to be represented properly.

Here are my big issues
>Castle buildings are to a scale that no Polynesian building has ever been built, trying to scale a lodge or something up to that size would be more unbelievable and silly than the mongols great tent wonder, requiring a unique castle building replacing the castle, like a krepost but the main building
>I genuinely believe that Polynesians using the normal ships/ship skins is a level of egregious beyond mayan champions and middle eastern knights that can't be allowed. They simply aren't the Polynesians if they're using the wrong boats It cannot be fixed by having a Polynesian canoe be a unique unit alongside the main ones. I think the absolute best you can get away with is replacing the galley line with a smaller, faster, weaker, cheaper war canoe, and reskinning the rest, no dromon but give them a unique tech or bonus that helps ships out against building
>This is on top of the unique units and tech, meaning at least 5 unique elements, tying with the gurjaras for most unique elements, but one of the gurjaras unique elements is just an early version of the camel rider, it's really more like 4.5 and places the potential Polynesian 5 unique elements balance scheme firmly outside of the devs usual preferences for how to design a civ
>It would also absolutely not be worth doing if they don't do a new architecture set, and they haven't done a new one since the game launched, it would guarantee the Polynesian expac to be the most expensive one so far with VnV being #2 despite containing fucking nothing
>It would also be an architecture set used by 1 civ
>Options for civ 2 are limited, Melanesia is similar but lower tech and hard to justify, Maori and such are literally just Polynesians

>>1730763
>>1732246
Also you're crazy if you think the Polynesian UU shouldn't be a Maori Wardancer
>Like a monk but instead of doing healing on nearby units it does it's war dance and buffs their damage
>Convert replaced with an intimidation dance that lowers the targeted units damage
>Does the dance and everything as it's animation

I think the cannabalism reference should reworked into Haka's mechanic, instead of a trickle of health restored over time make it health restored when they kill a unit. I also agree with the other anon that it should be a civ bonus though.

>>1732246
We should 100% push for them in AOE3 and 4 and Mythology if they do expacs at all though.
AOE3
>Period appropriate anyway
>Very asynchronous game
AOE4
>Devs are woke so Polynesians could line jump
>Asynchronous enough to support the Polynesians needs
>-Age up buildings will be hard to come by
AoMR
>There's not really consideration for time period or viability of the technology of the civs going for head to head in this game
>It's asynchronous
>Qualifying is literally just based on how cool of a mythology you have

>>1732011
well, i think we do

>Ladies and gents!
>Welcome to another forest nothing!

>>1732253
No AoE works with polynesians since they need water-heavy maps to feel at home.

>>1732289
>What are the vikings

>>1732355
A legacy european civ made back when the game took itself way less seriously than nowadays?

>>1731946
Spanish: Gunpowder units fire 18% faster

You don't know much about gunpowder

>>1732366
What about accuracy?

>>1732370
Portuguese, 100% accuracy against stationary targets would probably nerf hand cannons

Why is the hand cannonner autist so keen on talking about this unit?
It does its job, it's strong with civs that have a bonus, it doesn't need anything.
Why isn't anyone asking for buffs to other units who actually need them like Elephant Archers?

>>1729532
>Kurds
Go Lithuania route and have Peshmerga hard-counter gunpowder like Leitis do with high armor for the bantz

>>1732363
>vikings wouldn't be added today
genuine retard

>>1732392
Elephant archers get buff every patch. How are they still bad?

Am I crazy / Mandela-effected, or are the DE versions of HD campaigns all fucked up? I didn't see this discussed anywhere, but it really bothers me. Like, I just recently bought the game but I did pirate HD a while back and recall it having pure kino campaigns like Bari where you spend like 2 hours on the first no-build siege mission. The maps were huge, handcrafted and I sadly never beat them all. Now I try it in DE and its a small map that gives me a bunch of vils for the TC. Same with Dracula, Alaric and I think even the Hongfonglalas megamission that was super cool mini-campaign in HD. Is there a mod to get these campaigns back? Or do I need to search for a HD edition torrent?

>>1732408
>>1732355
Vikings would definetly get added differently if they came out as DE civ. I think existance of Slavs sets a precedent for them remaining while other Scandi civs could be added. Like, Danes should really be a thing with the current standart for timeframe. Also the fact that Teutons are still the only German civ is stupid to the extreme. Southern Germans need representation, and either Bavarians or Austrians could do.

>>1732411
Yeah, all HD campaigns got tweaked for DE. Some got even get completely reworked with a new set of missions like Sforza and Alaric. You can try browser mods list for orginal HD version. I think I saw some of them there.

>>1732425
>Southern Germans need representation
Someone just make his 23andMe account?

Recently got into the game, only played against AI so far. So far I've been enjoying Incas, Japanese, Chinese, and Portuguese, but I'm having trouble narrowing down just one to focus on and learn the game with. Are there any civs that really excel with a strong aggressive early game that then have lots of options to counter whatever the opponent responds with for the mid and late game?

>>1732490
Ethiopians.

>>1732392
Elephants are extremely hard to balance because they go from an expensive support unit in 1v1s to a near unstoppable main line unit in team games.

https://youtu.be/7GbGbMaOLT4?si=egCV9WJ6n8c3Qt8L
hail to the king baby

>messing around with "Going Above And Beyond" cheat
>pick ethiopians
>accidentally nuke the world
cool

>>1732246
They built some pretty large stone structures in Yap and Nan Madol, and there were Latte Stones, Heiaus, Pā hillforts etc. You could do a bit of hand-waving to make an AOE2 castle out of those elements.
I know it won't happen, but it's fun to think about.

I don't understand why in a series called age of empires everyone is obsessed with getting the most literal who kangdoms added as playable factions. I wouldn't have to worry about hand cannons in 2 if they hadn't ruined 3 with this kind of trash.

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>>1732532
They were a big deal

>>1732514
>6h drive
Dare I do it...?

>>1732392
it's just a shitpost

>>1732637
Do it. The location looks beautiful at least.

>>1732551
where's the empire though?

>>1732700
we could ask same question about cumans, sicilians or vikings

>>1732700
You're putting too much stock in a title.

>>1732700
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu%CA%BBi_Tonga_Empire

>>1732551
>Zanzibar Islands
Forgive me....

>>1732551
this doesn't even show their expansion east and their trade routes with south america which are basically proven at this point

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>>1732727
forgot pic

>>1732392
because i like hand cannoneers. i would be open to other unit buffs (scorpion and siege tower buff) as well, but those arent my favorite units and someone else can be an autist for it.

>>1732702
vikings became sweden just like teutons become hre

>>1732751
>scorpion
Scorpions are fine as they are. If you really wanted to buff them you could make them move a little bit faster perhaps
>siege tower
They could make them move REALLY fast and ignore unit collision so they'd be the equivalent of a Starcraft medivac sans the healing

>>1732794
Scorpions are getting buffed right now.

>>1732843
Good

The idea of farming out shitposts to ChatGPT just never occurred to me.
So here’s my civ list now that we know they’ll need something to make up for Victors & Vanquished’s low sales. I assume they have low sales.

Mon/Thai/Champa SEA tileset
Tarascan/Zapotec/Mixtec Mesoamerican tileset
Swiss/Scleveni/Kievan Rus CE/EE tileset
Tibetan/Jurchen/Tangut (whatever) EA tileset
Swahili/Kongo/Whatever African tileset

>>1732908
Oh my god shut the fuck up

>>1732551
No they weren't.
They only expanded to where there were civilization as they couldn't win any open conflict.
When Europeans, Asians, or Arabs arrived they got subjugated by a single warship with about 30 horny dudes who would rape entire villages.
I would add every single state in Eurasia

>>1732916
you could say the exact same about every American civ

>>1732917
The American civs picked are those with cities and nations, not just tribes and spearchuckers

>>1732922
if you need a city or a nation, how are the mongols, the huns, the tatars, even the berbers allowed to be made?

>>1732928
The mongols actually conquered cities and held them. Karakorum was the mongol capital with tens of thousands of citizens and had palaces.
The Huns as well captured cities and held them.
The Berbers had KIngdoms like Altava, Capsus, and Tripolis.
You're grasping at straws. Which cities did the Polynesians actually conquer and hold?

>>1732932
the city of mnaduopa, qiwhabhi, and abyfuzyde to name a few

>>1732932
>Which cities did the Polynesians actually conquer and hold?
Wallis, Futuna, Nanumea, Niutao, the Lau archipelago, all of Fiji, all of Samoa, Niue, all of Tokelau, and likely Rapa Nui

>>1732939
Villages
But I'm guessing you look at a few wooden shacks and a shrine and think "opulent"

>>1732949
>that reply
You really are talking out of your ass, aren't you?

>>1732949
kek. i made all those names up, retard.

>>1732952
lmao

>>1732952
Their existence didn't matter, everyone with more than two functioning brain cells know that pacific tribes didn't build anything worthy of being called a city

I think it'd be cool to have the Mapuche as the first american civ with access to a stable

>>1732961
I think it would probably compete with the Inca campaign for most boring campaign in the game

>>1732490
Khmer, Magyars

>>1732515
I had no idea there were new cheats. Neat!

>>1733082
>Putting a noob on Khmer
Shame on you.

>>1729532
>Bran Castle
Irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Give me Poenari (which actually is in the game but has a shit model) or the Arges monastery.

>>1732490
Portuguese are perfect for what you want. You just need to use their full arsenal and not go Organspam instantly. Their eco bonus is good for a more balanced archer rush, which alone can end half of low elo games. Then if you don't manage to kill the oponent, you can use your Castle age units to keep the pressure and then transition to organ guns. This is also good learning experiance because you will need to learn how to manage your eco while raiding.

Other archer + good early eco civs are also an option. Also, instead of archer rush you could scout rush and use Magyars or Lithuanians similarly.

>>1733122
Tbh he could just:
>Ban all non-fatslob maps
>Favorite arena
>3TC boom into elephant scorpion spam

>>1733214
>Encouraging a noob to aim for degeneracy
You're a terrible influence. He should start out with Saracens or Byzantines on Arabia.

>>1733228
Gonna veto that Saracens suggestion. Market abuse crutch civ that won't teach him to balance his eco.

What about Tang/Song/Ming civs? Seems like we're running out of civs for the time period in general, and the remaining ones for the time period wouldn't fit really neatly into the game structure

>>1733239
Dividing other civs seem like the best bet. Instead of an overarching "italian" civ (which can be left in, just like the hindustanis), make civs based on each individual city state I.e. Venice/Milan/Florence

>>1733122
He asked for aggressive civs, Khmer is aggressive.
>>1733228
Byzantines is not very aggressive, its bonuses are for counter units. I would suggest Malians instead, cheaper buildings can go scouts, archers and man at arms. You have knights and camels, a meme unit that can dominate in certain matchups

>>1732778
HRE is older than Teuton Order

>>1732411
theres in the ingame workshop HD version of those campaign

>>1733239
Maybe Timurids, but that would be really scraping the barrel. Scots could be a thing, but that's the same situation as Vikings vs Swedish/Danish, however they would have an obvious highlander unique unit that would just be giga-champions. Eco would add benefits to herdables, maybe they could start with a cow or something. Then add some monk slop to represent the religious split with England and center the campaign around the Rough Wooing since Wallace is already taken by the tutorial. Also would be a chance for a proper Briton campaign.

>>1730837
So a paid mod?

>>1733249
Teutons and the Teutonic order are two different things anon.

>>1733367
That's like saying the USA and the Confederates are two different things.

>>1732411
El dorado was fucking KINO, but reddit faggots want to play the same build and destroy missions for eternity.

>>1733375
They are, but that's also not a good analogy.

I'm surprised the developers and filthydelphia have been so silent on how negatively received the single player paid mod dlc has been. Usually they seem pretty thin skinned or quick to jump on whatever The Reddit wants, but over there a lot of the bitching seems to have dissipated. I was at least hoping for a Creative Assembly tier "If you don't buy the DLC we will drop the game" threat.

>>1733600
They're not going to apologize. They got the message that DLC must include new factions with new units so be prepared for some sick SPLEETS.

>>1733239
Jurchens, Mashriqis, SSA, a few other Asian civs, and an expansion of the Meso archetype.
Wouldn't be hard, eapecially if they looked at splitting the Malay, Chinese, and Khmer civs.

how do you get people to pay for merges instead of spleets?

>>1733350
If you want a proper Scottish campaign,I recommend Macbeth´s campaign from AoKheaven. It is the best custom campaign I have ever played.

>Viper makes his own tournament so he can win
I hope ACCM takes this one, it would be embarrassing to lose in your own tournament

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>>1732514
>could go to one of the biggest AoE2 tournaments just by taking a train
>too lazy to go

>>1733998
Damn I wish my country had trains.

>>1733364
Funny you mention it because actually it wasn't so uncommon for such companies to just take free fan-made maps and other content from the Internet to put them in their paid expansions. It was a different time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721E3tm3n0M

We won, Xolotl bros

>>1733238
He can learn that as he plays. Just lean less on the bonus over time until you can play decently without it.
>>1733244
>He asked for aggressive civs, Khmer is aggressive.
Khmer is gimmicky as hell.
>Byzantines is not very aggressive
He should start with a good foundation, not mindless offense.
>Malians
Also fine.

>>1733122
I mean the guy said he was playing Chinese, he can probably handle Khmer

>>1734158
In what way are those two civs similar?

>>1733998
Just buy that train ticket anon, the rest will fall into place

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I want a feature were you can recruit a hero in skirmish just for fun. They have lots of cool unique hero models in DE.

>>1734214
Each civ could get one historical hero to be trained at the castle. It could be fun but probably completely unbalanced.

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The one gimmick I wish Khmers didn't have was the +1 range on scorpions
I didn't invest into Ballistas, Heavy Scorpion, Ballistics and Siege Engineers just to have them be outranged because of the Khmer team bonus and busted unique upgrades
I don't mind if I go 1:1 with Ballista Elephants but my Scorpions losing against their Scorpions just stings

>>1734214
I just wanted the regular units to use hero models for accuracy.
We have so many cool ones.

It'd be really cool if each civ had a unique Champion/2H Swordsman model, like the Romans

>>1734270
>I didn't invest into Ballistas, Heavy Scorpion, Ballistics and Siege Engineers just to have them be outranged because of the Khmer team bonus and busted unique upgrades
Onagerlet issue

>>1734285
That's 800 food and 500 gold that could've been used for more Scorpions and Legionaries!!

>>1734289
Don't care + Skill issue + Didn't ask + No onagers

>>1734270
>Investing into a unit like with the full knowledge that your enemy's units outrange yours
>Not having some idea how to deal with that
>Wasting 30 minutes to get your butt kicked

>>1729797
>scenario ideas
>defend your wonder against enemy attack
>lead unique unit to attack enemy
>navigate [terrain feature] to establish trade

>>1729532
>10. Afghans
>>Wonder: Buddhas of Bamiyan (6th century, Afghanistan)
lmaooo

>>1734298
In my defense, it was a team game and I was pushing up against two players but my friends were getting blasted by a portuguese player during the entirety of the game

>>1734313
Get good in 1v1s, then use the skills gained there to trounce team games.

>>1734270
>My scorpions are bad so make other scorpions bad

>>1734372
I didn't say that

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>Siege and Redemption monks push but no atonement
WPs having a field day with these heathens

>>1734443
he's back. we'll finally have pictures again instead of just civsplit discussion.

>>1734214
Something like a mode more akin to DoW2 could probably work.

>civ-based hero unit who begins barely any better than a Militia, but gains power boosts to scale with each age and depending on the civ, may move closer to an archetype more befitting their character (archer, cavalry, cav archer, etc)
>maybe an odd aura buff to encourage taking them into battle, weapon change, or other mechanics
>odd unique tech from TC or Castle to improvise them directly
>some measure of gold is required to bring them back from death to your TC, that gets more expensive per age
>could have a regicide alternative

>>1734443
>Resident infantryfag is back
>Playing Armenians
There goes that. I'll use something else.

>>1734459
>some measure of gold is required to bring them back from death to your TC, that gets more expensive per age
5 minutes for respawn

Can anybody point me to a resource that can get me started on creating custom skins for units in game? I'm hoping to create regional skins for the militia/spearmen/cavalry lines but there's literally 0 content available on how you can get started.

I know it's possible because the Romae ad Bellum mod creator did it, just don't know how.

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>>1734465
You sound like a massive cuck, mate.

>Nerf archers
>Nerf Knights
>Ban Onagers
>make scorps and rams 2X expensive
>Buff Pikes
>Buff special units
>make castles 2X expensive
>Buff towers
>Buff militia


There you go. I have single handedly fixed the meta and made the game much more enjoyable thus adding millions to the company's revenue. When will the devs stop being retarded?

>>1729477
Longswordsmen should have a charge meter that blocks ranged attack, any man with a shield could easily slay an archer but this is not reflected in the game. This is a deal breaking bug.

>>1729477
Infantry should be overhauled completely. Barracks should produce peasant units that are cheap and easy to mass but weak. Castles should produce knightly infantry that have high armor/pierce armor to counter all units but be extremely expensive. Mace men should counter all infantry and be available in barracks. Ban archers.

>>1734701
Would be if I'd ever played them.

>>1734734
>Refuses to play a civ because some blockhead posted screenshoots of playing with that civ
Nah mate he's right, you're a massive cuck
Chadmaster making autists seethe

>>1734737
Reading too much into it. I had several I wanted to go for and post images with, but I wanted to devote my time to just one.
For the sake of the thread having varied screenshots and the only two players not just posting Armenians, I decided on a different one.

>>1734279
30 IQ fan base and min max protards claim they would find it "confusing", this game's potential is held back by the retards that play it.

>>1734741
Also several mods already incorporate it, albeit with shifty low poly models, but devs refuse to make a positive change to the game because the dumbfuck pros constantly denounce it. Hang all """"pros""""

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Only if you knew how comfy things are
I treasure these games and moments in which I can make a comfy little base or town to my heart's content

People used to claim Poles were OP because they had 2 good economic bonuses and cheap knights. They still have those and can still go for that streamlined gameplan of good castle age food eco protected by castles into knight spam yet people see them as mid now

Similarly people complained about Gurjaras being able to hard counter most units too easily. Again, they still can do this but nobody claims they're OP anymore

Why is this? The civ I see people complain about now is Mongols with their steppe lancers. Steppe lancers are just knights with worse stats and don't face up well against knights or crossbow. This was the consensus until recently but now they're seemingly OP even though they haven't been buffed or anything. It just seems arbitrary what civs are considered OP

>>1734870
Weren't both of those nerfed?

>>1734870
First, you have to always ask yourself: who said that? did someone actually say it or am I just imagining things?

>>1734875
The % amounts were nerfed slightly but the relevant bonuses are still there and are still pretty powerful I think. Being able to mine stone instead of gold in the early game, faster farm income rate and 30 gold knights are pretty good bonuses

Same with Gurjaras having shrivamsha riders, camels having extra bonus damage, said camels being massed quicker and both units then being able to have 25% reduced off their food cost

These were the bonuses in particular regarded as strong by the community and the only thing that has changed since is the % amounts being toned down slightly

>>1734900
People on Youtube and AoEZone like a year or two ago

>>1734902
These "People on Youtube and AoEZone like a year or two ago", are they in the room with us right now?

>>1734905
Are you really denying that people said Gurjaras and Poles were OP before each respective nerf because some Anon isn't going to dig through dozens of videos and posts to find people whose opinion you value justify it for you?

>>1734701
>Walling in the gate
Its hilarious people still do this, you can just delete a wall and you will have entry/exit. Red should have properly walled him in otherwise this is just embarassing

>>1734728
The nerf to knights is that players who play them are genuinely retarded.
>I MUST GO SCOUTS INTO KNIGHTS!

>>1734929
I can attest to people saying both.

>>1734870
Obuchs training time was increased, stone 2 gold was heavily nerfed, folwark farms were nerfed a little. If you look at the stats they are still decent on arena, getting a little better on Arabia because 100 wood folwarks helps with their feudal play, the wood will help you get more stables/ranges and a blacksmith quicker.
>>1734929
Gurjaras were actually OP, pikes can't catch up to shrivamsha and Chakram used to be able to just kill all. They should honestly increase the mill bonus and nerf shrivamsha in exchange

>>1734459
I was thinking of something more like Empire Earth heroes where you got two types (Someone who just heals and someone who is more combat focused and give a morale bonus to nearby units)

But I just simply want the campaign heroes to be recruited in the castle but not have them too strong.

>>1734929
I just want an explicit example so I know that guy isn't pulling something out of his ass
This is something that should be basic whenever an exchange occurs on an imageboard, whenever someone says something you always have to ask yourself first: "is whatever this person is saying actually true? did someone actually say that? did that actually happen?". Once you start asking that question you very easily can discern from trolls to people who want to talk about something in good faith

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>>1734936
TO BE FAIR I also do the same thing, but only for vision, since often people ignore the house that give vision, deleting the section of the wall next to it, and allow me to see it coming, and in the past there were a few moments in which I actually took advantage of that deleted wall tile

Basically if you're expecting trushes or castle drops, you dont lose anything for doing so
Maybe even drop a walled Outpost to really see if they are mining stone or not

>>1734959
I could link you several threads about the topic but most people here don't like the website I'd be posting. They're all 1-2 years old anyway.

>>1734938
What's wrong with scouts into knights? is it because their counter is the same?

>>1734728
>>Nerf Knights
I dont see a point to this given how OP archer-line is

>>1734728
>not mentioning buff to handcannoneers
shit opinion.

>>1735036
It's because it's the training wheel kiddie strat.

>>1735046
Knights counter pikes and the only reason pikes are viable against knights is because they are more cost effective which is retarded because in late Castle/Early imp you have enough res to mass knights and curbstomp pikes or in early Castle you dont have enough res to mass pikes but still keep your options open to switch into something else. Pikes are basically useless, their only use is early Feudal to avoid scout rush or late game spam which is cancerous way to play.

The knight's inherent Buff is their mobility so a nerf to knights and Buff to pikes still makes them balanced because knights simply don't have to engage and can kite around pikes but not take them head on like the current meta which makes no sense.

Also I already mentioned a nerf to the archer line because archers and skirms are the most boring unit to play with + massing 20 archers destroys basically everything in the game. I'm sick of min maxing retards either going archer/skirm or knight spam it's just the same old strat 20 times in a row nowadays whoever invented build orders has positively RUINED the game.

We 100% need infantry to be more viable Gambeson was a step in the right direction but +1 PA is a joke it should've been atleast +3 and more expensive to balance it out while nerfing the fuck out of archers.

>>1735099
>Knights counter pikes
Only true for retards that dont fully commit to the infantryfag grindset.

>while nerfing the fuck out of archers.
Like I have said many times before, nerf movement speed of archer-line and increase their animation frame delay and you got a balanced unit, militia-line is fine as it is rn.
Could use more movement speed tho.

>>1735078
>handcannoneers
Handcannoneers will become more prominent when archers/knights are nerfed and infantry plays are encouraged right now HC are useless because you don't see any infantry before late imp and by late imp you don't have the gold to blow on massing HC but once infantry becomes more common HC come into play and as it stands HC shred infantry as is historically accurate.

>>1735102
Then how will longswords come into the picture? Knights shred longswords and as it stands longswords require a lot of investment to be even remotely viable, militia line has literally no use in the game unless you're Malay they dont counter anything neither are they mobile(even with a slight mobility biff you're better off massing knights than LS) and they require too much res to become viable

>infantryfag grindset
Even 600 elos will decimate any army of pikes by simply mixing in a few skirms woth their knight push pikes are literally unplayable from early Feudal to Late imp

>>1735094
So?

>>1735106
>by simply mixing in a few skirms
Add a couple of LS

I have never played Romans to date because having Romans as a playable civ in the Medieval ages alongside Byzantines and Italians is cheesy fan service and I refuse to enable such shoddy game design. I resign immediately in Feudal age when I see a Roman player, those who support such fan service are equally complicit.

>>1735126
Counter-point: Hun campaign.
Cope.

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On the topic of Romans: I love their Legionary unit, it has great flavour and I love sending them out on team games but I have found much more success doing Scorpion + Light Cav or Scorpion + Halberdier than Legionary + Centurion or even Scorpion + Centurion for a ghetto Paladin replacement
It saddens me so much that the one unit with a great model and great stats (5/5 armor in Castle Age) is overshadowed by the other, better options Romans have and I wish infantry in general would get buffed just so I could justify massing Legionaries more often

>>1735136
I forgot to add: AND it doesn't fucking help that Scorpions are cheaper gold-wise than Archers. There's no reason to not go for Scorpions as Romans, their castle upgrade is so fucking good

>>1735099
>Knights counter pikes
>Buff and Nerf being used as absolute terms
>Build orders ruined the game
>Infantry needs to counter archers
4/4 noob flags.

>>1735116
I misunderstood his complaint. He's just dumb.

>>1735136
>>1735137
Is the issue here the fact that you can't mass everything at the same time?

>>1735145
Not in a 1v1, no, gold is limited and 30 gold Scorpions are too good to pass up

>>1735142
>>Infantry needs to counter archers
Correct

>>1735147
That'll fall off at a point.
>>1735151
Learn to use skirms, walls, and cavalry. They're actually made for that job.

>>1735152
>Learn to use skirms
Does not work
>walls
Lame as fuck and also OP, shuts down any melee play, not like walls actually stop archers anyways.
>cavalry
Effortlessly gets microed down, can also put 50 archers in 1 tile and cavalry is useless

>>1735170
>can also put 50 archers in 1 tile
How?

>>1735172
Hug a forest or walk between two buildings with 1 tile gap
There, cavalry can't do shit

>>1735170
>Does not work
Research armor and range techs.
>Lame as fuck and also OP, shuts down any melee play, not like walls actually stop archers anyways.
Mother of noob.
>Effortlessly gets microed down, can also put 50 archers in 1 tile and cavalry is useless
When they mass that far, you need high PA. FU Arbs lose to Plate Barding Paladins.

>>1735174
Mangonels eat that.

>>1735181
Mangonels are not cavalry

>>1735180
>Research armor and range techs.
Still does not work, going skirms is just an invitation to get destroyed.
>Mother of noob.
I accept your concession.
>When they mass that far, you need high PA. FU Arbs lose to Plate Barding Paladins.
'Dude just commit more resources and time to counter a cheap, super cost effective unit lmao'

>>1735182
You can make both at once. Welcome to RTS.

>>1735183
>Still does not work, going skirms is just an invitation to get destroyed.
What do you mean when you say, "Doesn't work"? How are you losing now?
>I accept your concession.
Your complaint was that a tactic was too effective.
>'Dude just commit more resources and time to counter a cheap, super cost effective unit lmao'
50 arbs costs 3500 resources. They die easily, and so have to be replaced. When you max out pierce armor, you invest in getting access to a unit type that can beat that.
Which civ are you playing?

>>1735184
Cool, we were talking about cavalry and cramming 50 archers in 1 tile, not mangonels.

>>1735185
>What do you mean when you say, "Doesn't work"? How are you losing now?
Skirms die to literally anything except archers and pikes to the point if you're forced to make skirms or any trash you're in a huge disadvantage, that's why having to go skirms is more often than not a death sentence
>Your complaint was that a tactic was too effective.
Effective at shutting down melee units, which is lame as fuck and shouldn't be a thing, quickwalling has been a net negative for the game, also walls does not counter archers, like, at all. At best you just slow them down.
>50 arbs costs 3500 resources
And you need to commit way more resources if you want to make paladins to counter arbs, to the point they can easily field halbs and still have spent way less time and resources than you going paladins

Not like you will live to make paladins, arbalests powerspike will kill you before you even get to paladins.

>>1735187
>Cool, we were talking about cavalry and cramming 50 archers in 1 tile, not mangonels.
If they have a 50-archer mass, you should already have stone defenses up, a siege workshop, and fitting techs for your composition.
>Skirms die to literally anything except archers and pikes to the point if you're forced to make skirms or any trash you're in a huge disadvantage, that's why having to go skirms is more often than not a death sentence
You stop massing them at a point, and don't go forward with them.
>Effective at shutting down melee units, which is lame as fuck and shouldn't be a thing, quickwalling has been a net negative for the game, also walls does not counter archers, like, at all. At best you just slow them down.
Slowing them down is a big part of countering them, but archers also can't shoot through stone walls.
>And you need to commit way more resources if you want to make paladins to counter arbs, to the point they can easily field halbs and still have spent way less time and resources than you going paladins
Sure, and you could've teched into siege at any point, and can respond by adding skirms since they counter both units in that composition.
It's not as simple as putting units on the board, yeah.
>Not like you will live to make paladins, arbalests powerspike will kill you before you even get to paladins.
And if they don't, you'll kill them.

>>1734956
>But I just simply want the campaign heroes to be recruited in the castle but not have them too strong

This sounds close to AoM Greeks. Which considering their playstyle, would also work fine in AoE II.

halberdiers confirmed most useful unit

>>1735228
did you not already know this?

>>1735251
I thought hera would say it's hussars

>>1735228
Also ugliest unit. They look like they wear a skirt, the heavy pikeman reskin is much better.

>>1735187
>Skirms die to literally anything except archers and pikes to the point if you're forced to make skirms or any trash you're in a huge disadvantage, that's why having to go skirms is more often than not a death sentence
If the enemy is not making cavalry you are fine, you can use your own mangonels against his mangonels.
>also walls does not counter archers, like, at all. At best you just slow them down.
Wrong, an archer will only do 1 damage against walls, depending on how many archers he has it should buy you twenty seconds to a minute to prepare a response, you can house block to buy yourself even more time. I would rather archers outside my base than inside.
>And you need to commit way more resources if you want to make paladins to counter arbs, to the point they can easily field halbs and still have spent way less time and resources than you going paladins
Have big eco, love it when a mayans player goes fast imp and I am persians so I am also up quickly and can make savar

>>1735277
Walls are a massive investment that require covering an entire base just to be effective. Which means you have to know before hand that the opponent is going archers and then orient yourself entirely into a defensive play style just to stall 10 archers that may head your way, it makes no sense especially when your opponent can pump out 1 ram to destroy your entire defence. There's a reason you don't see walls in literally any pro game, or even above 1000 eclothes are useless and only viable against AI.

>house wall
Cheap cheesy gimmick that should be outright banned as a tactic this is not how game is meant to be played

>have big eco
No. Nerf archers. Now.

>>1735129
>introduce an entire immersion breaking civ to enhance one single campaign
Tard move.

>>1735274
Why don't the tard devs sell skins for units in game? Are they fucking retarded?

>RTS
>Immersion
Lol

>>1735291
Still doesn't excuse Romans as a civ when the intro text to the game literally states "the Western Roman empire is fallen and the peninsula is up for grabs". Romans were never supposed to be a playable civ in a post Rome world and the devs shat all over the original games direction.

>>1735302
>the devs shat all over the original games direction
>Things didn't stay the same after 26 years
Whoa.

>>1735303
When the devs introduce USA with an F35 as their special unit I bet you'll be first in line to eat that slop up

>>1735284
>There's a reason you don't see walls in literally any pro game, or even above 1000 eclothes are useless and only viable against AI.
Nigger pros are fully walled in almost every tournament game, walling doesn't have to be your only defence make skirms too

>>1735337
He was talking about actual walls not houses and barracks which is what pros use, a sufficient number of archers(10-15) can still effortlessly punch through a house or palisade

>skirms
Yeah sure spec into 5 skirms only to have them wrecked by a single light cav

>make le pikes
Won't even make it out of the barracks without being peppered with arrows

>make le onager
No

>make le knight
Which brings us right back to the same bullshit knights/archers meta

>>1729477
Is the new campaign DLC worth buying or is it a lazy cash grab like the fanbase claims it is?

>>1735344
>he didnt make le hand cannoneer
honhonhon. what a le rookie.

>>1735344
>Actual walls
Which they use in combination with other buildings.
>a sufficient number of archers(10-15)
If he is on one range it will take 6 minutes to get that many archers, if he is going for some fast crossbow play you don't want him to be able to get his six crossbowmen inside your base because that is instant gg, if he is going 2 range get armor and keep tracking his army

>>1735352
HC are a joke that are not viable against anything that isn't infantry

>>1735355
I have a better idea. How about we nerf archers so I don't have to resort to min max bullshit gimmicks to counter braindead archer spam?

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>>1735363
Reduce fire rate by 5-10% keep everything else the same. Crossbows were dominant in the medieval era as they can go through armour, making them a little harder to micro gives other units a place in the meta

If it was up to me I'd slice in half the damage of all archers and then put it all on a single, very expensive upgrade that's only available in imperial age

I've never seen so many shitty proposition for balance changes in single thread in my entire life.

How would you fix the fire ship as a concept? You need a short range ship option, but fire ships just weren't widespread historically. Do you make a ramming ship, even something like AoM has, or is there another option?

>>1735449
Why do we need to change the fire ship? Historically there were only twelve paladins. Hussars using wings wasn't a widespread thing, nor were winged hussars light cavalry or a late-medieval thing. Celts, Vikings, Romans, Huns, ect. didn't exist as a contiguous civilizartion from the sixth to the sixteenth century.
I'm not saying that since there are inconsistencies with real-world history anything goes, nor am I saying that the game should remove all anachronism or logical inconsistencies. What I'm asking is why is this specific thing that is about as anachronistic as some other elements included for gameplay should be removed in particular.

>Teutons' paladin upgrade now turns paladin into a crusader knight
Good or bad?

>>1735436
I don't give a fuck if it's unbalanced as long as I stop seeing the same old variation of archer rush/knight push 20 games in a row, balance can Suck my Dick.

>>1735481
Infact just finished playing a game where the retard showed up with 5 archers at my base 2 mins into Feudal I could've easily countered it but I just called him a cunt and quit cause fuck him

>>1735482
Weak mental.

I just played a 3 hour 5 man ffa against my faggot friends in which I cleaned up 3 fucking bases, destroyed like 10 castles and deforested 1/4 of the map and still lost because one of my faggot friends kept running away and making tcs in a corner away from my base while the other one pressured me from opposite side

My friends are such fucking faggots when it comes to ffa, whenever I kill someone it's cringe and because I'm using busted units and whenever they team up to wear me down until I can't keep up anymore it's cool and based

>>1735481
So you are playing over and over against same metafags and you just can't counter them? Interesting.

>>1735285
Shit take, you're a 'tard.

>>1735516
The meta is broken and propped up by an archer/knight status quo that makes every game repetitive and predictable, turning the entire experience into a mechanical playbook where every instruction is sequential, set in stone and must be executed optimally. Just cause everybody seems to love bathing in pig shit doesn't mean I must partake too, do I punish these losers by wasting their time in the dark age setup and resiging as soon as I see an archer/knight in my field of vision. This is my way of rebelling against a system that reqrd niggerlicious gameplay.

>>1735530
I'm with you but only because I want to see more MAA rushes
Archers and knights need to be gutted

If you want to see more infantry then we need to build a wall and make arena great again

>>1735534
Archers should have much higher training time in general. Crossbow tech should reduce it drastically so massing archers in feudal takes porportionally longer.
Archers in general should have much less accuracy, probably introduce a feudal age tech to bring it to current accuracy levels.
Knights are good but I just think infantry should have higher attack than cavalry.
Knights at 100hp 10atk are too mathematically perfect so I'd rather see Longswords with 11 atk instead.

>>1735406
How the fuck are you still dying to archers retard

>>1735666
Worst thing about current archer meta is to counter archers in early feudal you should amass more archers than your enemy, skirms in feudal while work well they delay your castle age too much.

>>1735348
personally enjoyed it , tought it might be cause i never played the scenarios that used to be mods in the past

>>1735708
And they're extremely easily counterable, 1 light cav can take out 5 elite skirms so claiming that skirms counter archers when you can vanquish the opponents massed skirms at the price of 200 food is ridiculous.

>>1735666
This, also make archers slightly slower. And now we only have the knights to nerf.

>>1735730
If Skirms have minimum range, so should all archers (maybe except some UU to make it different)
If Archers have no minimum range, so should skirmishers.

REMOVE SKIRMISHERS
SKIRHISMERS NEVER EXISTED

>>1735736
can we just remove the faggot from the thread instead?

>>1735747
Ironically, there were way way more faggots in military throughout history than AoE2's "Skirmishers".

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skill issue

>>1735756
Stupid piece of shit I hope you die, I was so excited that I got a reply maybe found a new friend, but instead it's just some schizo mass replying

>>1735767
ill be your friend. when do you want to play aoe2?

>>1735736
Throwing javelins was pretty common for pre-engagement softening up of enemies during the very early middle ages.
The problem is how they have such a huge role to fill in imperial, which doesn't make any sense.
They should've been upgraded into crossbows or handcannons, archer line goes for some sort of Longbow equivalent for just a few civs

>Enemy arrives at your base with 3 MAA, 2 scouts, 3 archers and 2 skirms
What unit do you make? You're in feudal and you have 200 food/gold/wood.

>>1735849
resign since he didnt let me go fast castle without attacking.

>>1735730
Skill issue

>>1735849
>Tower the gold
>Everyones on gold
>Your about to get clowned

>>1735849
why you have only 200 gold/wood/food when enemy managed to spend 330 food and 175 gold on army?

I am glad I haven't purchased the historical battles DLC

>several comments i see around on AOE2 videos saying that next dlc is East asia/China
any proof of this or is it just wishful thinking from chinese players and Chinkeaboos?

>>1735928
no proof, just guesses. the real next DLC will add the Benin empire with their UU being Spurdo.

>>1735666
>Archers should have much higher training time in general. Crossbow tech should reduce it drastically so massing archers in feudal takes porportionally longer.
Go check the wiki, Satan. The game already does this.
>Knights are good but I just think infantry should have higher attack than cavalry.
They do, going on a resource basis, and both Armenians and Burmese have this benefit.

>>1735849
>Enemy arrives with M@A (lel), proof of a stable investment, proof of a range, and gets walled out.
I make knights.

>>1735928
He lured deers

What do you reckon is the strongest water/islands civ? Vikings? Italians? Japanese?

>>1736042
Malay, methinks.

>>1736042
We need a strong African water civilization!!

>>1736062
That would be the Berber civ.

>>1736042
Portuguese. Turtle until they run out of wood. Ez

>>1736100
Portuguese if it goes late

>3 1000 elos get beaten by koreans
its over

>>1736042
The upcoming Polynesian civ

>>1736062
I've seen people proposing Somalians as next civ and honestly I wouldn't mind it.

>>1736108
Does anyone even care about these
>watch me 1vX
videos? Literally just a money grift

>>1736156
I do, it's fun.

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>>1735928
Speculation after the devs said they got good feedback from spleeting/the campaigns for the Dynasties of India.
East Asia had only the the Mongol campaign and 4 Historical Battles (and 3 more V&V) so it's pretty open for events.
The only empires without dedicated campaigns for themselves are the Slavs/Magyars (Dracula + 1 + 1V&V scenarios), Vikings (1 + 4V&V scenarios), Japan (2 + 2V&V scenarios), Turks (3 scenarios), Mayans (1 scenario), Korea (1 scenario), Chinese (1 scenario), and Celts (if you don't count the tutorial)

>>1736317
South American expansion featuring new architecture sets for Inca and their friends.
North American expansion featuring even newer architecture sets for Lakota, Iroquois and Navajo.

>>1736349
Might as well add USA with UU Abrams tank

>>1736349
>North American expansion featuring even newer architecture sets for Lakota, Iroquois and Navajo.
Going to be a trash campaign for the same reason 90% of the non Eurasian campaigns, utter lack of civ diversity.
The New World only really gets interesting as you enter the 17th century

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>>1736373
all of this should be scrapped in favour of regional skins

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>1736349
I'l give you the Mapuche, there are no other relevant SA that can't be represented
Lakota, Navajo, and Iriquois are for Age3's asymmetry. How would they play? Infantry civs with an eagle warrior variant and no castles? They only get horses during Age3's period (i think the Cherokee and Navajo should get expansions there)
I will support Polynesianfag, Africa expansionists, and Chinese, Spanish, Celtic, Viking, and Teuton spleeters before we add abos without any stonework fortifications who add nothing but bloat to a game about the medieval era. Play American Conquest

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>>1736349
Obviously meant for (you)

>>1736317
Romans might as well be an easter egg civ but I kind of hope they do get at least something that isn't in AoE 1.

>>1736492
We already have scenarios and campaigns set during the waning days of the Roman Empire. Having a campaign or Scenario where you would have to defend the Western Empire from barbarian hordes would be based

>I don't want units that are fast and can run away from my infantry
>I don't want ranged units that can out micro my infantry
>I don't want to make siege
>I just want to rally champs into my opponent's base and win because that makes me the superior player
guess the elo

>>1736627
Show yours

Did you use the tree meat gathering bug girls?

>>1736644
Only when I remember about it so like never.

>>1736627
Correct.

>elo
Appeal to authority.

>>1736627
Give knights 1 less line of sight(Except franks), make it so scout cav has 6 in future ages so he has to upgrade to light cav if he wants the line of sight from his starting scout and also gut the schwarma rider. This will slightly nerf the knightfags main advantage in that he can choose when to fight. To balance this make archers slower so the knightfag doesn't just lose to archers. Now the counter triangle is a little more balanced

>>1736696
He's bringing it up because you're dumb, not because he cares.

>>1736317
Slavs should be split into Vlach and Rus

>>1736746
They are already split to Poles, Czechs and Lithuanians, what more do you want for your unimportant noncountries?

Stop adding civs for a few years.
They can add just new skins and campaigns for a decade and I will keep giving them my money.

>>1736850
No.
Kanuri civ now.

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>>1736850
not until we reach this

>>1736492
a Majorian campaign would fit with the timeframe that the AOE2 Romans represent if we were to give them a campaign