>>109616374
>They just want to work hard and have fun
LOL
LMAO
They're sexpests that just want to slide into female vtuber's DMs and fuck them

I do not want to listen to guy voices and watch guy avatars, no matter how "wonderful" these guys are.

>>109616374
>Most people are wonderful
>Except these lying disgusting whores catering to men
Vtubing is an interesting phenomena, years ago people tried to do the same thing with female streamers in a male dominated streaming space. But they were told to fuck off, it's the opposite in vtubing and the behaviour is even celebrated in some capacity.

>>109616419
Nooo they just need to be given a chance

>Males are the most oppressed class in human history
Fixed that for you, OP

>vtubing rewards playing a character
wow

>>109616374
Most male vtubers effectively duplicate what the women are doing.
It's bad enough you're already Vtubing. A space known to be dominated by a male audience seeking female attention.
But the vast majority of male vtubers also emulate how the women act. The demo ain't looking for that. That behavior is judged very differently depending on whether you are a man or a woman.
And despite scores of male vtubers doing the same fuckin' thing and getting the same results? Very, very few actually took the lesson and changed something.

>>109616374
The male viewer is more oppressed as his wallet is drained and the succubi dote on him with false care and concern, celebration, praise etc. all while being mooched and leeched off of for clever retorts and comments more clever than the female could ever imagine on her own.

I don't think a lot of men know what women like when they make their avatar too. They'll make muscular gym bro characters and be shocked guys are hitting on them. We'll find the ultimate homosexual male Vtuber when we get a white haired bodybuilder that role plays as a navy sailor.

>>109616374
The day male vtuber being accepted is when sakana make a male phase branch.

>>109616374
okay

Male Vtubers do not really have real a "LARGER THAN LIFE fictional character" to roleplay with in the streaming media.
Girls can do the "cute anime girl doing cute thing" and that fit chatting/videogames fine, Males can't do a gamer batman/naruto/goku not being cringe and pointless.

In the end people like vox did the only real male option, being a sexy gay seducer anime boy for the fujos.

Get a real hobby.

>>109617150
>white haired bodybuilder that role plays as a navy sailor
sounds like feileacan cu

>>109616374
sounds like male vtubers want to be rewarded without putting in the effort.

>>109617150
Shut the fuck up baranigger

>>109616692
>Nooo they just need to be given a chance
to slide into female vtuber's DMs to try and fuck them.

>>109623035
>15:55:55
Angelic digits my friend

>>109616374
>work hard and have fun
yes with women by sexpesting them by being hard

>>109616419
>They're sexpests
>99% of actual sexpesting and drama are from female vtubers
>All google docs have been about female vtubers diddling minors
>You can count on 1 hand the amount of actual sexpest males

>>109616374
Vesper started dating Fauna and when Vesper got fired Fauna quit in response. So men being in vtubing is a very real threat.

>>109623224
>All google docs have been about female vtubers diddling minors
Yeah I'm gonna bet all of those "female" vtubers are male too.

Ah yes..the male vtubers are the sexpests when there are generals here specifically made to groom 1-2 views into doing whatever the highest payer wants.... Aster being a fucking weirdo is not on the same level of disgusting as this shit

>>109616374
Brother its like 20% of them that actually just want to play games. 40% are sex pests and another 40% are raging homosexuals/sex pests

>>109624328
Nigga I ain't watching /vt/ posters stream either

>>109616374
I don't care if they're wonderful people, I care whether they're entertaining to watch.

>>109623224
>You can count on 1 hand the amount of actual sexpest males
let's see the names

>>109623441
source: my ass

>>109616374
>genuinely awesome people
Something about this phrase makes my skin crawl.

>>109616374
no shit the Vtuber space rewards things like inauthenticity, telling people what they want to hear, playing a character, and catering to fantasies.
It's descendant from Idol Culture. That's the entire point, and all they needed was to expose it to the average Twitch viewer to get them all hooked like addicts.

This is why gatekeeping is important.

>>109628099
Idol Culture is toxic and predatory and needs to be removed from Vtubing.

>>109629059
>we will make our own space
>you do not belong here
>oh no

>>109629126
You don't have a right to exclude people.

>>109629187
you mean like how the Tweet is trying to exclude Idol culture and it's fans from the space?

>>109629238
It's okay to exclude toxic and predatory practices from a space.

>>109629251
Why not just exclude yourself from the toxic space instead of trying to co-opt it? You're only going to make enemies doing that.

>>109629522
Because toxicity spreads and therefore needs to be rooted out at it's source.

>>109629251
>I don't like the thing. That's why I'm going to engage with it so that I can change it and ruin it for everyone who likes it as it is.
congrats. You're 2014 tumblr.

>>109623224
>You can count on 1 hand the amount of actual sexpest males
sorry for not watching sexpests

>>109629548
You can like one aspect of something whilst disliking unnecessary and hurtful aspects of that same thing and wishing for something better.

>>109616374
i will watch whatever the fuck i want, Its not like i'm anting someone by just not watching male vtubers

>>109616374
Male vtubers shouldn't exist. Just become a regular dudebro streamer. Not only is it male dominated but you'll actually get more respect for it. Male vtubers are the male feminists of the streaming world. We all know why you're doing it and it's pathetic. Even the women have caught onto the plan.

I just don't see there being any value in male vtubers unless they are extremely good at something that I'm interested in, which has nothing do with them being a vtuber, they could be a nocam streamer for all I could care.

If a guy is playing a game I like and he isn't incredibly good at it, okay? I could just go play the game myself. I could watch a girl play the game I like and she makes me feel warm on the inside and/or makes my dick hard. There's just no reason for a male vtuber to exist.

>>109623224
>>All google docs have been about female vtubers diddling minors
Which ones?

>>109616374
Wow that sucks. Still not watching a dude though.

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>>109616374
>playing a character
Yes, that's why I'm watching a Vtuber and not a normal streamer

>>109616374
>instead of what they need to hear

I fucking hate these people. Every single moment of your life, you need to be constantly purity tested, there is no break from world, there is no turning your brain off, there is no presence in the moment. It’s always about some unachievable perfectly moral sage-like state that is perfectly aligned with [insert current thing] that if you aren’t dedicating every waking moment to, you are the enemy, you are somehow passively hurting others.

I wish all of these people a very happy getting shot and thrown in an unmarked mass grave

>>109616374
>Male vtubers
gay

>>109629652
Trvke

Male vtubers are mostly guys from /here/ who instead of spending money on donations to their oshis decided to pay for a vtuber avatar in hopes of getting close to their oshis or their female friends or to attract some female vtubers who might give them the time of day. At best they’re desperate for a woman’s attention, regardless of who they are, at their worst they’re stalkers hoping to slide into their oshi’s dms or desperately looking to bang awkward girls. They’re mostly predators that use the “nice guy” or “male feminist” persona to get what they want. But make no mistake girls, they’re mostly incel creeps looking to get into your pants.

>>109617131
Little do you know that male vtubers are simply the evolved form of the male viewer. Instead of donating more money they bought a 2D model in hopes of finding awkward girls to bang.

>>109629652
Male vtubers don’t have enough testosterone to become dudebro streamers. They’re the Nice Guy’s(TM) of the streamer world who desperately attempt to have everyone perceive them as being harassed and lambasted by female vtubers fans despite being part of the very same group that hated male vtubers before buying a 2D avatar in their journey to bang vtubers.

>>109616374

No. None of this is true. There are thousands of male streamers who don't do webcam stuff, but the minute they put up somthing interesting to look at- suddenly they're the worst? Nah, the reality is streamers and vtubers should have no diference but there is one. Idol culture.

There's nothing wrong with Idol culture in itself, all fandoms have toxic elements, its this grey area of vtubers being idol adjacent that causes friction. Male idols, vtubers or not, will always face those more concentrated toxic elements- just like female Idols would. But slowly and surely vtuber culture & streamer culture are merging. Growing pains included. But you know... streaming itself is still brand new, with many normies not believing it's a "real job".

We'll get there. We just need more break out talents to normalize it like Gawr Gura did... maybe that will be hololive or maybe an indie. Ah, we'll get there. Just look at how far streaming has come.

Male vtubers are all trying to do what one turtle vtuber has managed to do

>>109630464
The moral police are zealots in disguise

>>109619284
>get a real hobby
>but this x thing is hobby to me
>but I don't accept it is so it isn't
???

>>109632624
Media consumption with an audience isn't a hobby

>>109632137
>the reality is streamers and vtubers should have no diference but there is one. Idol culture
You are retarded on so many levels I'm not even sure where to start. First of all there's no such thing as "streamer culture" or "Idol culture" when it comes to vtubers, that's something your retarded ass completely made up. There's only Japanese culture and western culture, which is why the cast majority of vtubers use a Japanese style anime character and westoids either use a facecam or some low effort cartoon avatar in rare cases.
>But slowly and surely vtuber culture & streamer culture are merging
Never gonna happen no matter how much you faggots crave for it, just look at how Ironlung got shit on by westoids normies for streaming with a Japanese looking character, no matter how much she'll try they will always think she is an ugly weirdo that just hides her ugly face behind a weeb anime avatar.
TLDR: you're a retarded faggot.

>>109629652
Men don't really need a pretty face to be successed, men only need talent. Top male streamer of japan is a nerdy fat guy, top twitch reactor is a hairy junkie

>>109629187
Said the nigger tried to kick idol fags

>>109632690
Bad people don't have a right to spaces.

>>109623441
A perfect gfe chubba ruined by cock, what a shame

>>109632698
when are you leaving then?

>>109632632
>Media consumption with an audience isn't a hobby
It actually is, you can talk about it with other people, look forward to see what happens next, can buy merch, engage with said media etc.
If you're expressing your love for something in such ways, I don't see the reason for it not being called "le real hobby" because it's not one in your eyes.

>>109632725
I don't like idol culture so I'm not a bad person.

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>>109632731
>this is how he feels right now seeing you all replying to him btw

>>109632729
No, a hobby is something you do to cultivate some sort of skill or knowledge. What your describing is consumption and because you live in a consumerist hellhole you can't tell the difference.

I hate Americans.

>>109632731
For someone not liking idol culture you sure seems overly obsessed with it

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>>109632769
>skill or knowledge
Cool, you have plenty of knowledge about said thing and are passionate about it, you can collect plushies, figures etc. Liking dinosaurs or collecting car toys isn't a hobby too?
>I hate americans
I'm an EU

>>109632791
>idol culture still living rent free

>>109632791
kek looks like I was right, thanks for confirming.

The reality is women are more fickle. Dudes will be head over heals at an awkward women who gives him attention. A woman wouldn't be as stoked or impressed. A few might stick but by far the most successful guy vtubers pander to lonely chink women. Followed by fujoshits

>>109618834
This encapsulates my feelings on the matter. Watching girls larp as cute animu is acceptable, but if a man did it it'd be more than cringe; it's retarded. It's not like successful male streamers don't act out a caricature of themselves on camera, but it's a question of degrees and suspension of disbelief and I'm unwilling to extend the latter to males larping as chinese cartoons.

Female vtubers instantly have a draw to them, people click them and expect that anime girl on the thumbnail to be talking about something the viewer may or may not enjoy, afterwards they make a judgement on whether they should stick around or not.
For male vtubers the model seems more like an obstacle, they see an anime man on the thumbnail and have to think if your streaming persona is going to be worth it because you've already got a strike against you for being a weirdo in a subculture. Or if the vtuber is going to acting like a flamboyant gay femboy, in which case why risk clicking on them when they can just click on a normal bald dude raging at a video game.

>>109632643

>First of all there's no such thing as "streamer culture" or "Idol culture" when it comes to vtubers, that's something your retarded ass completely made up.

>There's only Japanese culture and western culture, which is why the cast majority of vtubers use a Japanese style anime character and westoids either use a facecam or some low effort cartoon avatar in rare cases.

You literal just described the difference. Same sentence too.


>Never gonna happen no matter how much you faggots crave for it, just look at how Ironlung got shit on by westoids normies for streaming with a Japanese looking character, no matter how much she'll try they will always think she is an ugly weirdo that just hides her ugly face behind a weeb anime avatar.

Your baits not even good.
>TLDR: you're a retarded faggot.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

People just don't like male vtubers because of sexual jealousy. You think you're very awkward shy vtuber girl doesn't lust and fantasise for her own anime husbando just like you lust and fantasise for her? Of course she does. Most of the Holos before they became Holos were Stars and Luxiem dick riders

>>109632791
it's the difference between
"I'm not a fan of spiders, so I'd prefer not to see them"
and
"I'm not a fan of spiders, so we need to genocide the entire genus. If you don't think the same way I do, you're a bad person"

>>109634276.
Either you are even more retarded than I thought or you realized you got BTFO'd for making shit up so now you're trying some poor bait. I'm leaning more towards the former.

>>109635160

It's ok to have poor reading comprehension, lacking social skills and trash baiting tech. You serve as a perfect example of the point. For a medium that isn't even 25 years old it's come pretty far. You can shake your fist at the radio, tv, and the internet as thing move beyond you all you want, things will keep moving on.

Streamers as a profession is brand new in the scheme of things, vtubers too have yet to even peak. Rage against the future as you will. We'll get there all the same. Including male vtubers.

Hope your attempts made you feel bettter tho. Have a good one.

>>109635430
>This faggot thinks all streamers have to adhere to normie westoid culture and that westerners are not allowed to have any other subculture that prefers a Japanese streaming style and model.
I had a feeling I was right, thanks for confirming you are even more retarded than I thought.

>>109617150
Exactly. Women tend to be more attracted to male VTubers who look bishonen, like Sephiroth for example. At least from what I’ve seen, and the only male VTubers I’ve ever subscribed to also looked like that.

Cool, still don't care about male vtubers. I have no need for a male avatar on my screen, especially if you're not doing anything special with it.
The reality of the situation is this is a hobby with a majority of males in the fanbase, and you need to cater to them with your content if you want to make it big. Becoming a male vtuber and copying what the girls are doing will not appeal to males because there are fundamentally different expectations I have for content creators dependong on their gender, and that's without going into the cuckposting territory. For instance, I have no need to root for a male idol/singer, I'm not interested, and that's why Holostars is not appealing to me.

>>109616374
if i ever vtubbed i'd do it as unseriously as possible. play games i like, sing what i like, talk shit i like, use the copyright deadlock fragrantly to get away with shit

>>109632769
>a hobby is something you do to cultivate some sort of skill or knowledge
No. A hobby does not need a goal or purpose.

>>109634445
no women wants to fuck you lil bro

>>109616374
LOL
LMAO

>>109638480
Then why are you so angry when I talk to your oshi, cuck?

>>109640414
>Larping
You must be seething out of your mind that faggots like you are getting gatekept kek

>>109642100
Anon, I don't know how to express this to you in a nice way, women are just as horny as men are and plenty desperate for personal male attention. This idea that your oshi doesn't watch male vtubers despite being the exact demographic match for the type of person to watch male vtubers is genuinely delusional.

I'm not even that sizeable of a vtuber, between YT and Twitch combined I'm a high 2 view, but you would be surprised what a nice voice and just being semi-aware of what women want will make them do.

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>>109616374
We had this thread 6 months ago
In case you're wondering who made it

>>109617153
This lmao
Either that or the chuds here start fedposting Fishman harder than they did after Wokegate

>>109618834
>Vox
>gay

how many of his fangirls did he fucked?

>>109624328
a lot of this groomers are 0 view male Vtubers

>>109642797
Plenty, including coworkers.

>>109633112
Males can larp fine as a chinese cartoon, but you need to do stuff LIKE those chinese cartoons.

Gaming and talking ain't it.

I believe one day we will get working full body VR suits with some AI generated good world/adventures, and then some agile dude with a big room will manage to be the "GOKU BUT REAL" and truly go full mainstream with millions ccv.

Is EARLY for males.

>>109646220
You think people are going to watch a male vtuber doing martial arts moves in 3D? Really? A significant number of them?