a relatively big name goes indie and everyone immediately assumes phase wouldn't even be in the top 3 options.what is phase doing wrong and how do you fix that perception?
Why would someone big name join Phase Connect in the first place?
>>115208193they probably don't wanna walk on eggshells their whole career because if you or anyone around you says the wrong thing on their personal accounts, the fans will harass your family until you die.
how big are we talking? mari and clio were already 4 views when they joined, nitya was a 500 ccv stream if you're asking why mint/nimi/whoever the fuck doesn't join its because they already made it theres no reason to go corpo
>>115208193>what is phase doing wrong and how do you fix that perception?Pippa kinda fucked them over because her method of getting popular now means they're stuck with the perception of the /vpol/fag's choice of vtuber corp, and shit like Jelly having a melty over an educational version of Minecraft having a chapter about the US civil rights movement, or their fanbase (allegedly) chasing out a member because she said she didn't give a shit about Kirk getting his throatussy opened up on personal account, isn't helping their repPhase is also just a kinda small dog with a loud bark, they're honestly not that far off from a lot of English micro corpos that popped in the early 2020s up like Tsunderia, Production kawaii, Prism Project, etc with the only difference being that they managed not to die. Phase's fans like to joke(?) that they're 2nd/1st biggest english corpo in the West, but the reality is most of their members struggle to top NijiEN, and that entire branch has been on life-support ever since Selengate Knowing all this, if you were indie with multiple options, why would (you) go there?
>>115208692phase beats almost all the NijiEN roster in ccv. data from January first to september 27th
>>115208295This has never happened.
>>115208193>what is phase doing wrongPandering to the chud and cuck audience.>how do you fix that perceptionYou can't shake that reputation once you have it.
>>115208692>multiple options- hololive merged and nobody knows how it’s gonna be for non jp talents- black company’s en branch is already dead for several years- bunch of microcorpos with the lifespan of a beeIt’s not like there are many options if one decides to go the corpo way. Phase is the only company that was stable and existed for more than several years.
>>115208193phase is just the holo rejects corpo for girls who give up trying
>>115208193are you being retarded on purpose to make a bait thread?
>>115209083Why ask the question when you already know the answer?
>>115208988It happened to Clara.
>>115209181Criticizing people =/= "harassment"She was a fucking retard and she got what she deserved
>>115209189>literally begging roachking to doxx her on-stream
>>115208193Because the audience are Chuds.
>>115209222doxxxxing is when you read instagram posts
>>115209256>i-it doesn't count!
>>115209256Both the fans and talents were celebrating her graduation. That's messed up. Who would want to join such a community?
>>115209297Nene
>>115209297>Who would want to join such a communityFormer Kawaii and PRISM girls apparently
>>115209297>cause pointless drama for the company >make slide remarks about her coworkers for making fun of duskborn phase has multiple woke girls yet no one really hates them that much, that means it was clara who was the problem
>>115209331People only celebrated Clara leaving because she's an unpleasant bitch.
>>115209297WTF why'd this get deleted?
>>115209365>>115209370>>115209189>literally proving the original point
>>115209339In your dreams.
You have to understand that in the current VTubing landscape, a corpo with at best low 4view and average mid 3view audience is just straight up irrelevant. The number of indies in this view bracket is insanely huge, so to stand out as a corpo you really need to exceed this somehow, which Phase has failed to do. Just think about how many indies in this bracket you’ve never watched or heard of? Phase is in the exact same boat really, if not for this board I would genuinely know nothing about them other than their political shit which turns off any normal viewer.
>>115209407It's all speculation until a corpo announces a new gen. Holo and Phase are the only two non-meme options
>>115209529>and phaseNene has more subs than anyone in phase, it is absolutely a meme option for her. Nice cope phasefag
>>115209529>phase>non-meme optionCome on, even *if* she were to join Phase it would make more sense for her and phase to join as an invader with her IP and channel rather than leaving behind her model and 440k subs channel to start over again from scratch.
>>115209757>>115209857>subslol you number monkeys are as dumb as ever. You clearly didn't watch Nene if you think those are all active subs
>>115210106Show me a phase talent who can pull off a screenshot like this, I’ll wait
>>115208193Your career's over if you let chuds latch onto you. you pretty much have to stick with phaseconnect forever because the second you leave, they'll shit on you everywhere
>>115209189yeah I'm sure you were just criticizing her family, too.
>>115210239I can criticize her dad for being a fag
Nene has 400k subs she has very limited it anything to gain from phase she speaks japanese she is a hafu she is friends with girls in hololive etc. it makes more sense for her to be IN.
>>115209007> hololive merged and nobody knows how it’s gonna be for non jp talentsHololive is still in the English market. They hired a talent who is fluent in BOTH Japanese and English. Hell, they even included two other JP talents who know English at a decent level, with one wanting to learn more. Also, I do genuinely think Hololive will be debuting one more "true" english-speaking gen/unit in the next 6 to 12 months. I have actively asked to be grudgeposted on October 2027 if nothing happens, and the offer still stands. I do think Hololive EN had been planning one more gen for the merger and we will see it soon. Nene Amano's graduation is very sudden and no - we would know if she was going to Phase IMHO, Hololive is the best choice one should strive for within vtubing, and even the merger doesn't disprove this. Sure, its possible they may now focus more on talents that are bilingual over purely English ones, but I have a feeling that Yagoo knows what he's doing.Also, while you focus on Microcorpos, I noticed you left out the third big option:>BraveYes. Brave gives the image that their corpos are mcro, but the truth is that they're part of a bigger umbrella. Is it not doing well? Of course - Globie is dead, and v4mirai is falling apart with the departure of Mariya. But they still got Dr Nova. and thats not counting Brave's true ace - VSPO. THE third biggest corpo globally after Holo and Niji. Sure, VSPO En may be seen as 'seperate' from VSPO, but the truth is that both are still under the management of VSPO greater. I do think a bigger talent should gun for Hololive if they really want the idol dream, but if you're a girl who just wants to shoot shit and look cute while doing so... VSPO may really not be a bad choice, especially for EN.Lastly>Phase is the only company that was stable and existed for more than several years.Hot take: Vshojo also seemed like the only other western company that seemed stable and existed for more than several years. And then gunrun ran with the money, and we saw how everything was coming apart within it. I'm not saying Phase is the same, and perhaps Fishman knows what he's doing, but I prefer to be skeptical.
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>>115208193Phase is unironically what they always accused Niji of being. Quantity over quality. There's like 40 fucking girls in that company. Joining Phase is like jumping into an ocean of piss, you'll never stand out.
>>115210181you literally proved my point by only showing ASMR screenshots. Tell me, why don't you show a pic of her Empress streams? Why not her Divinity 2? I will even let you post a FOTM game like Rhythm Heaven Groove
>>115209007>Phase is the only company that was stable and existed for more than several years.Phase literally doesn't pay enough.Nearly all the girls have to get side gigs to survive.
>>115210413Phase is more stable than VShojo simply because they take half of everything their girl's make. VShojo was supposed to only take a cut from merch and sponsors, but tried to take all the merch and sponsor money (and charity money) before it collapsed in order to stay afloat.
>>115210607NTA but why does it matter? Views are viewsAdsense doesn't give a shit if you're playing Street Fighter or whispering at an expensive mic.
>>115208888Your own image doesn't even back up your claim. Do you just enjoy lying or what?
>>115210624ASMR barely make ad revenue because it's expected to turn off midrolls
>>115210614Like I said: perhaps Fishman knows what he's doing. Still, I think >>115208692 is also very right. Even if you remove the /pol/ association, they are not called the "sad girl company" for nothing. Do I like to watch Marimari? Sure - she is one of the few Phases I do watch, but I also do think there's a reason why they cannot really rise.If I could give a good example of what they're like... they're like Chumbawumba. Yeah, Chumbawumbua is famous for a specific one hit wonder back in the 90s, but the truth is that Chumbawumba is a anarcho punk rock group that had put out a lot of antiestablishment and pro-anarchist content that would be considered offputting to the mainstream. If Gorillaz and Daft Punk is Hololive, Phase would be Chumawumba. And most people would like the few key offerings of Chumbawumba but stay clear of most of the content.
>>115210687I guess it's a good thing she makes tens of thousands in superchats/streamlabs every month then
>>115210915Then why post a screenshot of ASMR viewership, or even bring up her subs?
>>115210935Do you know what NTA means on 4chan?
>>115210611So like most of Niji then
>>115210997Basically. It's easy to stay afloat when you don't need to worry about paying a living wage.
>>115210963NowThat'sAmbrosiaHmm yummy
>>115208193Because for a sizable indie with big dreams they don't got a ton to offer. If you want to do basic stuff with some support it's something but that's it. For bigger things you need bigger orgs
>what is phase doing wrong?Not curating the audience they attract. You have opposing ends of the polfag spectrum all under one roof, and it isnt to sing kumbaya. Too much nepotism. Exists everywhere but Phase let it get out of hand. Phase management is ass, and if you believe the BS that sakana met managers on LoL you might be a tard.Phase will never see a big hire like Clio or Mari again. The only people entering Phase now are likely going to be desperate fags hanging on the companies coat-tails.
Man, seeing indian and SEA seethes about Phase is hilarious.
>>115211266The irony of an ESL phasebrown accusing others of being brown
>>115208193Phase Connect is the company people shoot for when they give up on trying to get into Hololive.
>>115210607Nice moving of the goalposts. I proved they’re active subs and now you’re like “what about their least popular content”? Like ok if you want to do that then take a look at this, it’s also pretty comparable to Nene to be honest!
>>115211232Honestly Nitya is a pretty good pick up, don't really watch a ton of phase but her content is pretty good and she streams during a holo dead slot (Kiara timeslot). I think the problem with Phase is they don't have a any representation in the largest market in Vtuber (JP) Look at holodori revenue, it's mostly JP. Even most of Niji EN stream that what I assume is a JP addience.
>>115211266>indian and SEASaying as if the average Phase fan meet-up can pass the paper bag test lol
>>115211491phase browns are latinx and mutts
>>115211415>gachaslop>reactslop>FotM>gachaslop>reactslop>reactslopFucking grim
>>115211482The problem is that the JP market is as saturated as the EN market. Perhaps even moreso because its JP. With that in mind, its harder for an overseas corpo to break into JP, especially when there's so many groups in Japan. Vshojo tried, and we saw how that panned out. Phase is trying, but they're up against so much. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Dot Live is bigger than PhaseJP specifically. (And if you don't know what Dot Live is, you really need to do your reps. Especially for the dolphin)
>>115211415Yeah Pippa here is consistent. Her ccv doesn't change much. Can't say the same about Nene on anything that isn't ASMR. Also you didn't prove they're active subs :3
>>115211737>Vshojo tried, and we saw how that panned out.Vshojo barely tried to break into Japan, for more than 2 years the japanese branch barely existed only as a scheme to try to get holos to jump ship, by the time they actually tried to break into the japanese market vshojo was already deep in the red
>regularly gets streams that are 10x an average pippa stream in vod views, even her non asmr streams get around 10k>but they're not actually active subs! but the inconsistency, occasionally getting really high view streams is actually a bad thing!Holy cope.
>>115211938Forgetting that she simulcasted also for the last 3 years
>>115208988
The only thing that can convince women, especially women in the vtuber space to quit their cushy well paying vtubing job is to idolfagging and unlimited merch works. Hololive is idolfagging harder than anyone else and they have connections to anime studios and merch manufacturers so their talents can have anything they dream about made while having massive idol concerts watched by millions. Phase has neither of these, they're a mid tier agency carried by a few talents. Over the years they havent pushed into idolfagging or delivering merch on time, they just exist due to the momentum of their original talents. So when they ask yourself, why dont girls quit their indie identities and join phase? it's because phase is too unambitious and low level for them compared to Hololive.
>>115212583They exist due to a coffee company
>>115208193my 2view oshi and all her friends want to be in phase connect it is their dream
>>115211895>Vshojo barely tried to break into Japan, for more than 2 years the japanese branch barely existed only as a scheme to try to get holos to jump shipI mean that kinda was their "plan" on breaking into Japan They spent a fuck ton on those "Talent Freedom" ads and tried to snatch up a every former HoloJP member they could On paper this was good idea cuz you're basically adding popular vtubers with an pre-existing and willing to spend fanbase into your corp, but it kinda blew up in Gunrun's face because Coco pivoted more into doing IRL stuff while leaning more heavily in JP-only content when a huge aspect of what her popular in Holo was basically functioning as a bridge between HoloJP and it's english audience, he took on Rushia but that was DoA from the jump because she got exposed for being married and a bunch of other drama. Ironic their most successful venture wasn't an former Holo, but Pikamee By the time VSJ actually started trying to developed and rise their own in-hour Japanese talent, the company was already circling the drain
>>115208193>why does phase connect never seem to be the first choice for a good talent?t. blind deaf and retarded man
>>11521059726 active English talents and a half dozen of those are pretty spotty lately.
>>115212583>Phase has neither of these, they're a mid tier agency carried by a few talents. Over the years they havent pushed into idolfaggingI mean, they've tried https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBvwwj_yOywIt just winds up not really going anywhere because that's not what the audience they've amassed is there for
>>115212789Yeah, that's one of my points. They should have kept trying and kept pushing it but they stopped bother.
>>115212789They had a chance to pivot their identity into something more performance-centric. Their crab-in-a-bucket online audience didn't want to accept it
>>115208193Phase is in the top 3 but it's nowhere close to hololive. If you are talent qualified enough to get into any corpo you're setting yourself up to be in content creation basically for life. And well... look at the ex-holos compared to the ex-Phasers and that's really all you need to know.
>>115212646Red flag
>>115212663>Ironic their most successful venture wasn't an former Holo, but PikameeVshojo was blessed that she fell into their lap the exact moment she did, since they had just lost several members.
>>115213272Speak english, retard
>>115213355you are completely witless and you just parrot whatever you read on this websiteyou are also heavily melaninated and possibly inbred
why phasecuck always seething ?
>>115213422It's their favorite activity
>>115208193We told you that they arent recruiting moron.
>>115213494>Calling Nene a moronRude
>>115213551Dripping with fake concern sure feels like a riveting discussion. What a fresh change of pace. How about go kill yourself.
>>115213494the oxford comma strikes again...
>>115210413>Hololive is still in the English market…I’m not saying they’re gonna fall and everything will end; I’m just talking from my personal experience that corporate merges and management changes are not a good sign and never bring anything good. Before the merge, Hololive was definitely a golden ticket. After the merge, it’s still gonna be the golden ticket, but the gold layer might be thinner. Anyway, it’s my experience working in Western corporations, so Asians might surprise me.>I do genuinely think Hololive will be debuting one more "true" English-speaking gen/unit in the next 6 to 12 months.They might, but it depends on how good the sales of merch and concert tickets were in the English-speaking regions.>BraveAgree, I completely forgot them.>Vshojosomewhat yeees, but I’m not predicting the future, and at this point in time, Phase looks stable. Speaking of Fishman, Phase is not his sole business, so it’s not like he can just grab money and disappear.Anyway, returning to the initial take about multiple options, it looks like we have Hololive after the merge with unknown consequences, BRAVE that buys every microcorpo they see and closes them with the speed of Microsoft disbanding game studios, and Phase that has questionable talents in late gens but had its own con this year. For me, it looks like the only adequate corpo to join is McDonald’s If I were that desperate to move from indie to corpo.
>>115213716Brave is weird because they objectively give you a ton of resources to work with, but the chances of you going viral with them is effectively zero. I can't imagine it's safe long-term, but for a short term they'll give anyone tons of new toys to work with and make the attempt to grow, at least.
>>115208988there are no death threats in ba sing se
Phase still has a talent that supported harrasement campaigns run by TVA. Nobody with a brain would join at this point. 500 page hatethread for her fellow talent and Jelly decides to follow the site owner on her alt twitter right after her coworker bails. Not subtle. Toxic shithole corpo. >queue starfags and tva fags squealing for proof
They sure loved that George Floyd meme image, didn't they
I'm going to fuck the lesbian out of Clio.
>>115208193If you're a big name, you're too big for Phase Connect
>>115208888There are 10 Phase talents on this listPhase has 32 talentsI know it's easy to forget about 'em but c'mon man
>>115210614>VShojo was supposed to only take a cut from merch and sponsors, but tried to take all the merch and sponsor money (and charity money) before it collapsed in order to stay afloat.This is not an issue with the revenue splitIt's an issue with the management spending far beyond their means (and possibly embezzlement)On paper VShojo's structure is ideal, and should work, especially with the powerhouse roster they had.But you can't fix stupid.
>>115214274Here's a list of things you are ever going to fuck:Nothing
>>115214530VShojo CEO wasn't trying to run a VTuber company, he was trying to dunk on Hololive
>>115214530Especially with stories of Gunrun's buddies having cushy do nothing positions
>>115213437I thought that was begging.
>>115215189A close secondThey also enjoy doxxing, lolcow watching and polshitting
>>115208295Case in point clara, they're just waiting for her to resurface and harass her again.
>>115208988>it never happend>>115209189>but if it did she deserved itkek
>>115209385he replied to the wrong post
>>115214530It would work if they actually, like, focused on their merch and stuff that actually makes them money instead of spending millions to no real benefit
>>115208193Why would anybody join a company where you get harassed and doxxed if the fanboys of the company decide you don't fit whatever shit they have in their heads?Phase handled the Clara situation so badly, it auto disqualified them for any serious applicants.
>>115208295Clara deserved it.
>Claraschizo thread Uh oh melty. I guess he didn't take it too well that she isn't the new holo.
>>115208193If I were a vtuber I would be afraid of joining Phase the most because they behave like a racist cult. Pickme girls obviously pandering to 4chan cucks who want to believe they have le based GFE. I can see the appeal but I dont like fake bitches like that. And any vtuber who gets in the company will have to do and agree with everything they do or say because otherwise the girls will definitely bully you out of there. Also its obvious Fishman isnt the perfect CEO they say he is but dishonest CEO isnt a Phase exclusive issue.
>>115214473phase has 29 active talents nijisanji EN has 28 phase clusters higher than nijisanji EN, the point is phase's average ccv is higher than nijiEN
>>115217192Kill yourself
>>115217445phaseethe
>>115217192anything phase related always devolves into clara schizos seething, its incredibly annoying
>>115208193i dont think any sane person had gotten past that it is essentially Pippa Pipkin's company.ive always blocked any channels that is affiliated with phase for a while because i hated politics getting into vtuber as a principle
>>115217445No. You are more likely to commit suicide you favela troon.
>>115208295People are mentioning Clara, but Jelly was also harassed and doxxed over that one Minecraft tweet
>>115208295You mean like Kiara?
>>115217711Clara*
