Nijisanji EN YouTube channels:https://www.youtube.com/@nijisanji_en/channelsX:https://x.com/NIJISANJI_Worldhttps://x.com/i/lists/1415262975435231235LazuLight:https://x.com/EliraPendorahttps://x.com/FinanaRyuguOBSYDIA:https://x.com/Petra_GurinEthyria:https://x.com/MillieParfaithttps://x.com/EnnaAlouetteLuxiem:https://x.com/Luca_Kaneshirohttps://x.com/Shu_Yaminohttps://x.com/Vox_AkumaNoctyx:https://x.com/Sonny_Briskohttps://x.com/Uki_Violetahttps://x.com/Alban_KnoxILUNA:https://x.com/MariaMari0nettehttps://x.com/AiaAmarehttps://x.com/ScarleYonagunihttps://x.com/RenZott0XSOLEIL:https://x.com/D_Dropscythehttps://x.com/MelocoKyoranhttps://x.com/Ver_VermillionKrisis:https://x.com/VezaliusBandagehttps://x.com/Tyrant_Vantahttps://x.com/YuQWilsonTTT:https://x.com/ClaudeClawmarkDenauth:https://x.com/RyomaBarrenworthttps://x.com/KlaraCharmwoodBY THE BEAT:https://x.com/by_the_beathttps://x.com/Seible_2434https://x.com/KaelixDebonairhttps://x.com/Freo_2434https://x.com/ZealGinjokaTeamup schedule for Nijisanji EN:https://teamup.com/kstk7egnopr3xiqj4hTo watch streams at the same time:https://niji-mado.chats.ninja/homeGraduated Livers and Miscellaneous:https://rentry.org/7k4s6manReminder to ignore bait, shitposting, samefags, discordfags, numberfags, tribalfags, and falseflaggers.Previous thread: >>115952067
>>115969654Arigatou onitan
stream just start and kanda and air are already threaten to sue ririmu for black corpo activity because she the only one that get to eat for free even though they beg manager to do the collab with her but they never invite her to play off stream or collab...too intimidating woman
I want to eat cute Millie ass
>was late for the first practice collab>said he was going to take a break but instead he ended up joining in a collab with sonny>will spend most of his energy on a gta rp serverjpschizos will skin shu alive if he job too hard in the tournament(he will)
>>115969698>>115969533Millie can't grow pubes according to her
baby ririmu like the one for kids
>>115969732He's not joining district v
they won’t be inviting en members to future tournaments if they find out how lazy the en members are.
>>115969751Seible is practicing really hard
what's the backroom about?
>>115969750luca said otherwise
>>115969732Luca has confirmed he won't join the server alongside with kaelix and sonny
It's funny how Fuwa has more going on with all sponsors, events, shows, music stuff, and various other behind the scenes responsibilities than any of the EN boys living in Japan combined yet still somehow manages to stream double if not triple the amount the most active EN boys do. Meanwhile all EN boys can say is they're apparently too busy to make time for their fans and stream because they have one event coming up this year 3 months from now.
>>115969784>>115969782
backshots with peto in the backroomshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ByEJu3D5WY
everyone in team 7 don't give a fuck about splatoon especially rube.....
the otaku had been awaken
VSF Backroom is something sonny been working on for weeks. It is considered as one of NijiEN Big Event, he even invited Hana, Jiyu, and Hari. Probably the beginning of NijiEN Minecraft Event Series (similar to Niji MC Summer Fes) I'm glad shu choose the backroom instead of practising splatoon.
>>115969804oh wtf so many are streaming this
yummy
shu doesn't need to practice when fuwa is strong as fuck, kotone has shit ass team, air is killing his butthole and rika doesn't give a fuck about this tournament
>>115969866Yeah, apparently this is EN mc summer fes thingy.
> first time BTB visiting NijiEN og Minecraft server
>>115969892Ya I randomly saw hari's stream title on youtube of VSF Backroom and I was going to make a joke about how sonny kidnapped hari but I didn't know it was some event.
>>115969884Where is Claude? He said he will join.
petra...
>>115969918most likely playing deadlock
>>115969884noticed that everyone who joined backrooms collab didn't join district v 2
> inviting ID and KR> too shy to invite any JP, eventho he is fluent.
>>115969918>claude>playing minecraftSaying kuzuha will join is more believable
>>115969934niji unity
>>115969941He is in!!! Shu said this is Nijisanji EN Minecraft Fes. Also this is Claude first time logging in MC OG server and shu first time logging in after a while (the last time was the time cherry blossom biome released)
>>115969934>luca and wilson hates sonny
>>115969994Luca is in the server. Don't know about Wilson. He probably sleeping or crying
>>115970007>or crying
>full nova and full seupmeanwhile that bumass requiem
wil meloco join vsf backrooms?
>>115970023> no kuzuha> no kanae> no furen> no toko> no lunlun> no nozomi> no limo
>>115970023the chance of meloco randomly joining splatoon tournament is higher
>>115970032leos forgotten.....
https://districtv.danirukun.com/>200 participants>but only 10 nijien
petra.....
>>115970057>nijien would rather join vsf backrooms than gtaslop
>>115970057>200 participants>still no yuzuo tsukasa
Pretty cool tho. Especially Sani made this alone.
petra just got jumpscared by sonny
>sonny holds a mc event>en server thrivingpomu would be proud
https://x.com/room_vault/status/2117218625790853321ok we know which gta server meloco will join now
what you do if you had 100 hoursbaby ririmu would go random trip now here to clear her mind kanda gaming anime or video edit back logs and air watch over seas drama show he can do 130 eps
>>115970088He should be able to get in if Shu can’t join.
>>115970120YikesSomehow, happening on the same time
>>115970120lmao
>>115970120Meloco really should erase the "EN" from her name
>>115970120kek
I wonder if there is a bug because all the mobs sani put didn't show up on other pov
petra says sonny would keep saying "hey guys this is liminal" and point at buildings irl
thank for the kino shill collabotsupoe
Sonny is being a creep to Mariring.
>>115969926bbw petra
The pool area super crazy. Wtf
Elira is now the new member of Nova
> speed run the backroom
petra says legally blonde is the best movie ever
>>115970020>>115970304nova SUCKS
wanna fuck hana so bad
https://x.com/NyraNightclaw/status/2117167822791176528Giving Nightshot backshots
New btb members Elira and Shu Yamino.
Shu is telling Elira to mute her mic. Her loudness know no bounds.
GOOB MORNING ANONS
>>115969774It's like Alice in wonderland and final fantasy tactics
why does seible lean into the psychopath bit so hard
>>115969926Peto love...
i hate my oshi so much but i don't want him to graduate i just wish he'd be more entertaining and enthusiastic about vtubing and i wish he'd stop bitching so much and being all woe is me
>>115970802Nijien?
>>115970816he's in nijien i just don't want to paint a target on his back so i won't say his name
>>115970802ryoma 100k subathon soon bro
>>115970816its wilson
since i'm already ranting i also wish he'd put more effort into streams whether it's collabs or solo streams, it's just heartbreaking and almost insulting that others work so much harder for less results and it makes me resent him even more and i wish he'd take advice from people who aren't mindless yes men and realise that criticism isn't hate
>>115970802kadet...
>>115970900Blame twisty, she demotivating him
>>115970802there’s no way this isn’t about ryoma but it’s also hard to imagine that there really is someone out there who chose ryoma as their oshi
>>115970933paladin...
https://youtu.be/CYf5z1OFLs0> fuwa expecting shu winning against mikogami's e-liter aka the splatoon seeds playerShu you better be good, splatoon schizo about to skinning you alive.
He still hasn't started his subathon btw
>>115970966but he has adhd please understand
>>115970982you should be sorry for not telling us who your oshi is
>>115970982It's obvious who is isolated themselves from EN and at the same timed didn't do anything this past months. Even scarle and aia have something.
>>115970951paladin is a whore who has millions of oshis
>>115970982He should join District V2.
> shu making his dv2 ID card on streamAnother things to look forward> he will regularly joining splatoon tournament practice> outfit reveal on 5th> he will also joining the honban on this weekend
>>115970982seriously though even his indie friends are joining whats the reason he isnt joining gta
>>115971043Oh yeah I forgot, he also mentioned to look forward to 4th Nov (probably shu's merch)
>>115970846never ever
>>115971058ADHD hort
>>115971058ego and lazy
>>115971058Shu will be joining dv2, practising splatoon, and outfit reveal. So when he will start his subathon and PUBG custom?
>>115971164shu plays pubg?
>>115971186We're just complaining about ryoma
>>115971186it's ok bbygirl
>>115971186its either wilson or ryoma no one else bitches a lot
>>115971208No worries, we just wanted to call out ryoma lazy ass
>>115971223But wilson is doing a server with luca
>>115971266then that anon is lying its obviously ryoma
>>115971286why would anyone lie on the internet?
>>115971223or vox
>>115971298anon.....
>>115971306it wouldn't be vox man, his mom just died cut him some slack
>>115971223It's Kaelix
>>115971186>woe is me>complains a lot>men>rarely have fun with nijienwho else if not ryoma
>>115970900>others work so much harder for less resultscan't be ryoma, he might be lazy but he doesn't get much
>>115971186we know it's you kadet
>>115971368Their oshi spends hour on mine only for them to said he didn't have anything going on.
that faggot ryoma hasn’t even tweeted or talked about mela when everyone in nijien has
>>115971362>>115213417then maybe it’s this lucub. there was one who complained something similar like that before.
>>115971406>didn't even acknowledge it while the rest of nijien members were praising him and promoting his channel at petra's after partyHe should rope himself unironically
>>115971463But luca was literally in vsf backrooms
>>115971043what is honban?
>>115971493that lucub hates mcslops
>>115970496Me too bro... I know Hana would use me as a living dildo but in return I'd use her as a living onahole
>>115971524He's also doing a server with wilson, joined nijipedia, etc
thinking about how sani used to never initiate collabs with even just his friends but over time he started gathering them for games like sf6 and off collabs at his place… now he’s invited people outside of en to check out this crazy amazing thing he spent so much time on… emoi…
>>115971504the actual tournament day.
she's sekuharaing ren now, nobody is safe
>>115971548that lucub hates gtaslops
i need hana petra maria collab immediately please and thank you
I will become the biggest shu's anti if he ruin fuwa's splatoon team for some gtaslop
>>115971610He said he will practice diligently
>here's a whole list of humiliating facts about me>please dont bully me with itFemanons and livers alike need to stop doing this
>>115971469deadass ungrateful and he still has the gal to ask for subscribers from nijien fanbase
Sani need to make a bigger area so he can invite JP members too
>>115971615Oh yeah, after following Luca around like a puppy for nine hours every single day.
>>115971362he gets much if you compare him to the majority of indies
>we are now boarding flight: BOOBS
the gap between jp training and en training is crazy
>i love hearing people get hurt
>>115971469Twisty's pussy is tastier
nobody can convince me that gta rp is a good content
drinking game: take a shot every time sonny says "liminal"
>>115971730nijigta is good
meloco would practice more diligently for the tournament than shu
>>115971730what about mc rp
I fucking hate wilson so much. what a shit hired i swear even kyo is better than this piece of shit
>>115971805>kyomake a more believable bait next time
>>115971826kyo didn’t ruin everyone’s contents in the branch just because he lacks creativity
>>115971878What the fuck are you talking about
>GTAのサーバーでダラダラ過ごすのではなく、今度の大会に向けた練習に時間を費やすべきだ。holy shit
>>115971929nice google translate bwo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhAfEhdPLf4sex
this will be the final straw for me i will leaving him for kaelix if he ruins everything fuwa did just because he can’t stop himself from being a lackey to luca.
>>115972005Anon he literally said he'll do regular practice.
>>115972082he already missed 2 practice collabs
>>115972005this is why shuca SUCKS
>>115972110zadson should stay in hell
>>115971950it’s from skkr
>>115972204skkr posters are even dumber than anons /here/ their opinions do not matter
>>115970057it's really just another indie event now among ten billion indie events now, not a nijien event
Can I be positive in this thread?I love my oshi!
mariring is volunteering to be the scarer in sonny's backrooms
>>115972296why didn’t ryoma join then
who else is excited for the indie networking playground server? I know I am
Uki cries so easily
>>115972414not horny enough
>>115972475sonny keeps egging on his tears
Graduate the remaining Lazuwhores.
Sonny deleted the book.........
how does petra make chinese sound so cute?
Mariring methane check stream
sonny fantasizing about new EN livers a decade from now falling into the backrooms while exploring all the historical minecraft architecture
Pomu mention by sonny
>>115970119>>115972661sonny reading the thread
What is kaelix sick with?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3d79Nfji9I
Sonny wants to try blowing
>>115972740>>115972661Pomu my woman...
>>115970802>>115970900>>115971362This is either a Wilsoneer or a Kindred. I saw a twitter post (now deleted, I knew I should have screenshotted it) complaining about the lack of effort and solo streams. It's been going on for a long time even before recent happenings. But fans are afraid to speak out because of the usual suspects throwing around the word parasocial.
>>115972005>everything fuwa didanon, it's not a serious tournament. if it was, they wouldn't mix beginners with experts like last year. chill, fuwa isn't even taking it that seriously either
I already lost
>>115971730Nijigta is legendary
Is Maplestory actually fun?
>>115973424Fun with friend, no friend? Hell
>>115973383I forgot... gonna pretend the first day didn't count. I'll edge to viet feet and see how far I can go
>>115973383i will make sure i nut every day
Sonny is good at riding
mangadex is using powblock developed by other site
>>115973516
https://x.com/6010nian/status/2117205794337022302
>>115973701Yeah I should be reading more manga instead of watching vtubers. I should watch more anime too. I'll see if anything new has been added to my favorite genre.
>>115973728Tired of the jacket.Can they have something like this
>>115973701ok
>>115973728they turned shu into hakka
>>115973755That outfit is fucking hideous
>>115973725where's Y4T4s new outfits? yoiyume splare and the yuri wave got theirs before 6 month anniversary
>>115973112It's weird for a Kindred to complain when Vox has already said his long hiatuses were due to everything going on with his mom. I think he still tries to join other livers projects when he can. In general, I find it weird when fans complain about the lack of streams when they don't know what's going on behind the scenes.
>>115973755this woman rapes young boys
>>115973755I want a crop top with exposed shoulders, it's objectively the sexiest casual fit.
>>115973812That's why I said>It's been going on for a long time even before recent happenings.Enabling this kind of behavior by defending it with "behind the scenes", "he still does the bare minimum", etc excuses is going to one day lead to vtubers not streaming or putting in any effort at all and still expecting subs and money just for existing. I mean I guess we're already on that path with Ryoma and his hugbox-y fans claiming he "works so hard!11!!" while doing nothing.
>>115973790Maybe after Splatoon, their schedule is definitely busier than these two.
>>115973864>>It's been going on for a long time even before recent happenings.His mother had been battling cancer for 7 years. He used to take long breaks even before her passing because of that situation.
>>115973790Splare didn't get theirs until 200k subs.
>>115973383There's too many hot girls in nijiEN I can't just not nut for a month
>full krisisis joining recycled indie gtarpsloponce again btb & noctyx prove their worth
>>115974028And yet his streams were consistent and he did plenty of solo content in addition to collabs. He also did projects during that time. He took long breaks but because it was after streaming consistently for months. I'm not even a Kindred but you're making excuses for him and it's just going to lead to more laziness in both him and others. I know this is going to get pancakes and waffles'd though ("so you think he shouldn't mourn his own mom?!?!?" or something) so *shrug* I'll leave it here I know there's no nuance to be had atp
>>115974108This is why I love them
>>115973649>>115973575Nonstop nutting to Aia november
>>115973701And this means what exactly, milgur?
>Not thanking Sonny for raidingMeroco...
>>115974327meloco HATES en
>>115974153I'm not the anon your were talking to and I'm not even kindred but your criticism of Vox annoyed me so much. If this was bait, it was successful.How do you pretend that you have nuance when you're outright ignoring what he has said himself as an explanation for the lack of streams.I hope that you are given more grace than you have given Vox if something similar ever happens in your life.
>>115974327She did
>>115974558thats meroco
Dead thread.
Dead branch.
Dead world.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBagwiUOkgY
Nonstop nutting to Aia november
Is Finana the most chill EN female liver?
>>115975034yuy is so luckynerissa is so luckykronni is so lucky
im gonna delete this in a few hours, but i've seen too many posts on my timeline about this and it's kinda pissing me offif you're genuinely upset at me for not making it / not participating on my OFF DAY when i'm RESTING, you need to step back and re-think how selfish one can be in certain positions. i want to participate, sure, but does that mean i'm obligated to? no.also, always keep in mind that your posts may appear on your oshi's timeline, whether they want to see them or not.
>>115975674Menhera Mondays have never been more back
>>115975731Bait used to be believable
two big announcements and one small announcement in november
>>115975674I blame sonnyban shippers
>>115975731She's the most child ToT
Meroco is excited
>>115975731nah it's definitely klara, she played fnaf to announce her 3d and barely even reacted to the jumpscares
>>115976082>>115976113Can't wait for her to play 6 and see Anri
I love Nijien!!!
>>115976108I need to get more Klara lewds next year.
>>115975674This whole "your oshi can see your posts even if they're not tagged or namedropped, so you should watch what you say" entitlement from Niji livers pisses ME off and just makes me want to talk about them even more. It's my account I can say whatever the fuck I want.
>>115976257This. Also more people should shit talk livers for not doing more shit together honestly.
>>115976298Agreed. Like okay you saw my post, what the fuck are you gonna do about it, reply to me? Quote tweet? Now it's going to send their fans after me and make them look like a bully. They should accept that by becoming a vtuber they're now a public figure. I don't see Dwane The Rock Johnson or Christina Aguilera or Markiplier telling their fans to be careful what they say because they might see their posts.
>>115976187YEAH
>>115976257>How DARE someone call out my bad behavior on social media!This kind of entitlement is why female fans were a mistake, always starting drama and refusing to take responsibility or accountability for their actions.
>>115976352It kinda comes across as entitled too>you're being selfish for tweeting about wanting me, your oshi, to participate in this! I get it's his day off but does he specifically have to act like it's so unusual that someone might want to watch him ?
nut to elira, scarle, enner, feesh, aia, klara, and mariring
why are so many countries suddenly telling people to stockpile food and which liver would be best prepped for an apocalypse?
>>115975674EN fans are annoying but Alban should just learn to block people. Added caveat of said fan turning anti but hey, at least you don't have to see their tweets anymore. It's what I'd do
>>115976440Oh you have SOME nerve and lack of self-awareness saying this barely a day after that hololive bird shalissa or whatever her name is had some drama with her male fans doing this. Don't even fucking start because I can link to a ton of posts right in their thread.
>>115976581Or mute em
>>115976581Last time I've seen a vtuber block someone they became an anti to the whole company and even one of his friends made an anti account that harasses his fans. Not saying that should scare anyone into not blocking, but antis can get pretty crazy.
>>115976554this but Millie only
>>115976593Mute feels too soft because I'd want that fan to think about why they got blocked but like >>115976628 said, some fans are just crazy and have no ability to self-reflect so yeah, muting is definitely safer.
>>115976587The only ones chimping out about Nerissa doing a cover with Holostars are the monkeys in /#/. People on Twitter are supportive of her.
>>115976489Having yesmen in a hugbox fanbase creates an enormous ego like that. You always have fans that will agree with and defend everything you say and do, so of course one would start thinking you can control everyone.
honestly if fans are really that annoyed about something about their oshi(s) to the point they're constantly bitching then the solution is simple but i'm going to leave it at that because it'll just get hijacked
Everyone, not just livers, would be happier if they use the following page instead of for you, but the algorithm is too addictive.
>>115976686>twitter are the only fans>people who have probably never watched this girl a day in their life only performatively checking out the cover because it's a cross-gender interaction to "own the parasocials"I'm not falling for this. Men get upset at their oshi too and some chimp out even worse than women. Do not try this gender war shit I have my links ready and none of them are from the numberpag thread. You picked a bad time to start this.
>>115976702If you have problems with a liver's behavior then post it as a comment in their VOD or as a superchat/donation, don't just bitch behind the liver's back like a bunch of gossipping schoolgirls.
>>115976705yeah, gangrape at the gay park
>>115976705like how some fans use this thread to complain about their oshi so frequently but are too afraid to talk about it somewhere "more public"?I get it though, when you've invested a certain amount of time into someone, it's hard to just up and leave. personally I just distance myself every now and then when I feel myself getting too upset
>>115976705You must have never given any money to your oshi before
>>115976554i've never nutted to klara, she just doesn't have any good material out there
>>115976686Is it just me, or has the VTuber community completely changed? Back then, if an idol interacted with someone of the opposite gender, X would be flooded with backlash against them. Now, if you do something even remotely "unicorny," people will openly mock you, and drama YouTubers will turn you into their next topic. It's basically public humiliation.
>>115976802hey bbygirl
>>115976818Complaining about livers /here/ is different from complaining on Twitter because if a liver purposely comes /here/ to egosearch it's entirely their fault, whereas they actually have to engage with Twitter to at least some extent as part of their job. That was the entire point of Alban's tweet, if you're gonna bitch don't do it somewhere public.
>>115976808>>115976818>You can only do one action at a time, you cannot complain here and post publiclyWhat is with this sentiment on the internet that just because you post about something here it means you are NOT posting it somewhere else. Why are people under the assumption that fans don't say anything in comments or streamlabs? How come no one is ever under the assumption that the liver just doesn't listen? Why have the blame always be on the fan? Maybe it's a zoomer thing idk
>>115976831oh i have and had one i just dropped completely. i was an idiot but it's even stupider to continue to sink time and money into a lost cause and i'm happier with my new oshi
>>115976831Not like they specifically asked you to give them money. You have no control over another person's actions whether you give them money or not, so if you can't take it anymore, just take the loss and leave.
>>115976871I'm genuinely happy for you. I really am. Fans deserve to invest in someone that makes them happy. However, some people don't want to completely give up their oshi especially if that oshi is their one and only. I think people should slowly move away from them as another anon said to make it hurt less but I also understand not wanting to give up on them and hold out hope for something better from them.
>>115976868people don't use private alts anymore? feel like that's still a common thing.
>>115976870complaining to your oshi when they do something wrong is one thing, complaining that your oshi doesn't do something you specifically want is another.
>>115976890I don't like the mentality that someone who has never asked you for money somehow owes you entertainment under every condition you've made up in your head, and that you'll have a meltdown when they don't meet those expectations. It's way too parasocial.
>>115976929I know this started with Alban's post but the sentiment of "complaining that your oshi doesn't do something you specifically want" has always been a strawman argument. No one with a genuine complaint about their oshi has ever complained because the oshi didn't do something ultra specific that only a mind reader would know. People stuck in a yesmen hugbox use this argument because they're brainwashed by the word "parasocial" into taking the extreme version of what someone said.
>>115976831You don't get to heckle street performers just because you put money in their hat. They're called donos for a reason, you're literally giving them your money because you feel like it and if you get it twisted and think that you're owed services in return that's a you problem.
>>115976968Yeah I agree. I've felt that way about my oshi before, no public meltdown at least, then I realized they're a real person. I don't oshi them as hard anymore, but I still like them, and I feel like this way is definitely just healthier.
>>115977020Strawman argument, none of that is what I said nor meant. You are taking one sentence and dialing your own interpretation of it up to 11
>>115977014>No one with a genuine complaint about their oshi has ever complained because the oshi didn't do something ultra specific that only a mind reader would knowWe're literally talking about Alban's case. If your oshi did something wrong that deserves genuine complaints, then that's another case that doesn't apply here.
This is probably an outrageous statement by parasocial vtuber fans but is reasonable to a normal person: it's not crazy to expect an entertainer to entertain. That's what they were hired for.
>>115976554>nut to elira, scarle, enner, feesh, aia, klara, and mariringWtf these are all the girls I nut to as well
>>115976832i've cum buckets to her so much on imagination there's just something so sexy about the combination of her personality + maid + classic maid outfit, but it's sad there's not really any fappable material for klara
Liver for this feel?
>some fans coddle their oshis too much even if they do something wrong>some fans are too comfortable complaining about livers in public places for invalid reasonsboth of these coexist
>>115976554Out of all of these girls Mariring has the best feet
>>115977020Funny you use this argument, since a lot of street performers think up quirky ways to get people to drop more money for them. Just like vtubers do funny ways of supa begging even in normal gaming streams. Yeah you give them money when you feel like it but if they're asking for more money especially while trying to be sneaky about it well I want them to earn it. I don't understand why the vtuber is a person behind the screen and they don't have to do things to please fans but somehow fans aren't treated the same and they are expected to just be silent and accept and run with everything or else they're parasocial.
>>115976554this but just elira and scarle. maririn's flexibility is sexy too though
>>115977100it's crazy to expect a liver to participate in something just because you want them to. this was where this thing started, not what other specific issue you're probably projecting onto it
>>115977138Finally someone who can have two thoughts at one time itt
>>115977133Sophia
>>115977100Think of it this way- someone goes up to a busker waving around a hundred dollar bill demanding they sing their favorite song and when it turns out the busker doesn't know that song, they begin complaining loudly within earshot about how ungrateful they are. Tell me, who's the entitled asshole in this situation?
>>115977166because believe it or not, you always have the choice to keep your money and LEAVE. entertainers can't leave, that's their job. no one reasonable would blame you for leaving. if you already donated and they did something that upset you, just stop supporting them. you've already got what you "paid" for
>>115977133Finana Ryugu sexo
Kiryu chan...
>>115976554who of the girls is the heaviest?t. bbw lover
>>115977254where's the hole?
>>115977193I was making a general statement because anons were going down the "your oshi doesn't owe you anything" route and some were talking about multiple instances, not just Alban. You're the one who projected that onto my statement.
>>115977292probably scarle and finana
>>115977138>for invalid reasonsWhether or not the reasons are valid, the main issue is a lack of self-awareness that their words have consequences. "I'm just expressing my opinion" is used as a blanket justification to abnegate all responsibility for one's speech because the people involved ultimately care more about venting than they do with bringing the mood down for everyone else.
Anons please take your meds
>>115977294That's for you to discover
>>115977298what multiple instances? also ngl it is true that your oshi literally does not owe you anything. it's a dono, not an investment. it's fair to get upset, but unless they did something genuinely wrong, it's only polite to just leave if they do something you dislike. this also includes when some livers feel like they're too entitled and too good to take criticism. that's a personality issue that tweets and comments won't fix, just save yourself
>>115977245>no one reasonable would blame you for leavingYou'd be surprised. Fans will still call you parasocial if you choose what to do with your own money. Didn't anons get upset when we had an anon that said they treat vtubers like dolls to play with and drops them if they don't entertain them anymore? Damned if you do, damned if you don't as they say. But I digress. I think it goes a bit beyond just getting what you paid for and leaving it at that. Otherwise why would I buy voice packs and acrylic standees? I don't think anyone buys it to look at it for 5 mins and then throws them away. It's more of an investment than a purchase. And not just a financial investment. It's time, money, and love.And before anyone says it, no I'm not saying this in an entitled way in that I think my oshi has to do something ultra specific to please me and do every single thing I say. A shame how one needs to state these kinds of things to prevent a sort of pancakes and waffles response.
>>115977389ngl i prefer having this sort of argument than the usual genderwars/arguing with fatty
>>115977389I like it when femanons verbally abuse me
>>115977133>>115977254>>115977418Feesh can use me any time she wants
>>115977542feesh want to be gangbanged 24/7 desu
>>115977442>it is true that your oshi literally does not owe you anythingBig disagree. Your oshi does owe you entertainment. That's what they were hired for. Otherwise why do they hold auditions? Why do they open memberships? Why do they promise projects for fans? Yes if I'm spending time watching them, liking the videos to push them in the algorithm, commenting, following them on twitter, and doing all the usual fan things to help my oshi achieve their goals, why is it outrageous to ask for even a little something in return? I know some people will take this to the extreme so I'll clarify that when I say "your oshi owes you entertainment" I literally just mean do the vtuber things that vtubers do, even if it's the bare minimum. Otherwise I'm sure Anycolor would just put the PNGs of the livers into the void with no voices or personality behind them and just have people buy literal soulless merch of them. I'll put it this way:If one's oshi doesn't owe them anything, why did people complain about Ryoma? By the logic of some anons here, he shouldn't have to do anything to earn his subs. Anybody who asks him to do anything for those subs are entitled.
>>115977448yeah, and those are not reasonable people. neither are anons most of the time, you're in 4chan.and personally, i think that way of thinking would just make you unhappy. i've been there before. i have merch of people i don't care for anymore and i've donated to people i grew to dislike. but i've learned to just treat it as a "payment" for the time and enjoyment i had with them. that's all i can do. trying to intentionally change someone you don't know is futile, it's already hard enough to do it to someone you do know.
>>115977389But this is the most genuine conversation we've had in a while. I forgot anything longer than 3 sentences is considered an argument here though.
>>115977576Entertaining people is how they earn a living, that doesn't mean that you, as a viewer, are entitled to anything specific if it hasn't been promised. To think otherwise is uniroincally dangerously parasocial.
>>115977559Would be hot to gangbang feesh with other thread oji-san desu desu desu bratty ABGs like her need experienced fat bald ojis like me to make her climax
if i've learned anything from being in this fandom it's that it's better to oshi someone that's been around for a while, like maybe a few years, because at least you have a decent idea of what to expect and they're more or less settled on the kind of content they provide and things they do, vs someone who you immediately oshi on debut and it's a wild ride that could crash really bad. but that's just me
>>115977628this but also ryuugal
>>115977576ryoma doesn't owe his fans anything. if he wants to tank his career by not doing anything, he can do that and it's fair that his fans leave him because of that. but if he wants to EARN subs then yeah he has to do something. subs aren't owed to him either. livers don't owe their fans anything and vice versa, nothing except basic respect. basic respect doesn't include the right to forcefully influence another's actions
>>115977682Yeah her too
>>115977614I'm not talking about specifics though. That's why I had to add that clarification at the end>I literally just mean do the vtuber things that vtubers do, even if it's the bare minimum. You are entitled to a vtuber doing SOMETHING. Again, that is why they are hired. Otherwise why doesn't Anycolor just throw out the PNGs of vtubers and call it a day? Why hire a person behind the vtuber to add a personality and someone to put out content? If you say "Hey I'm going to do a stream where I play an instrument" then you owe your fans that stream at some point. If you open memberships, it's expected they have some amount of emotes and put at least one membership post there a month. Don't take this to the extreme and start bringing up a strawman argument like prepping for big events, something behind the scenes that takes priority, etc because I obviously don't mean that and I've membered to vtubers that haven't posted anything for months. If they don't want to do anything at ALL for people, then they shouldn't have signed up to be an entertainer.
>>115977650this is true. this is why i don't check out new debuts beyond maybe their first stream, until they do something that interests me.
>>115977706He does owe his fans something for getting him to where he is now. To say he doesn't owe them anything is completely selfish and entitled, especially if he wants more. If you promise something to your fans, you have a responsibility to do something, even if it isn't a complete fulfillment of said promise. To say otherwise is irresponsible. And if an oshi doesn't owe fans anything, then fans don't owe their oshi anything either. Somehow the latter isn't emphasized nearly as much as the former.>the right to forcefully influence another's actionsYou're talking in extremes again. No one in this entire conversation was in favor of forcefully influencing anyone's actions and if you took it that way then that might be your own interpretation of what was said.
>>115977728who are you even talking about that doesn't do the bare minimum and why are you still supporting them(if you even are)? even ryoma streams. if he doesn't do the stuff he promised, then yeah that's on him, and you're fair to leave and "leave a bad review" i guess. there's multiple people in JP who don't stream anymore and barely do anything, and they obviously don't have many avid fans. but if the few avid fans are happy with what they got, then what can you do? like no one is telling gilzaren or sayo to stream more, or wherever muyu is now. they just became fans of other people.
>>115977728I don't think Anycolor actually obliges livers to do all those things. If even the company that hired them allows them creative freedom within certain rules, what's the problem?
I think anons should leave brainwashed fans to keep throwing money and time into oshis that don't do anything for their fans. If that's how they want to spend their time then let them be miserable to please someone that doesn't care about them. They're fighting hard for their oshi's right to be lazy and that's what they want, who are we to try and change their mind to not be masochists anymore?
>>115977814well no shit, if they promised shit, obviously they should do it. but like, no one is arguing that promises shouldn't be kept. it's that your oshi doesn't owe you anything and you don't owe them anything either. they and you LITERALLY don't because there's no binding contract between a liver and their fans. they can stop according to anycolor's terms, and fans can rescind their support whenever.
sometimes i think anons are so tsundere you like ryoma so much
a lotta text this threadany of it worth reading?
>>115977876live and let live, anon. they're not spending your money or time, are they?
>>115977917depends on your definition of worth. varies very widely among people, as this thread proves
>>115977920Ackshuwally, they are using my hard earned money because I pay taxes!! And the government enables these freeloaders with my tax money!!! This is why I'm voting different next election!
My oshi owes me sex.
why are anons and nijien so menhera today
>>115978025Which posts are menhera?
this thread is so scared of having any semblance of an actual discussion thats not just sex sex paizuri rape cum sex
>>115978047just the vibes. i like the conversations, we should be menhera more often
>>115978048Anons in this thread complain about anything that isn't sex sex paizuri rape cum sex
But I like sex sex paizuri cum sex...
I will always paizuri sex cum cum with feesh and mariring
>>115976628this makes me feel better about saying insane shit about my oshi because he'd never have the balls to block me hee hee
>>115978047None, anons are just afraid of posts longer than 2 and a half sentences because this thread is filled with ESLs.>>115978048Kek
>>115977907all it takes is another photo of the snake in his pants on his alt and they'll be drooling again
>>115978118>>115978048>noooo stop thinking about SEX>unless it's malnourished shota ike rape ToT and delimbed wife (fulgur)
>>115978178feesh paizuri while mariring licks the tip of your cock
>>115977917it is an actual discussion so you can if you want to, but i already skipped basically all of it when i saw how long the scroll bar is, because i don't care what other people think about this and clearly neither does anyone posting about it
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speaking of feeshhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9qh3fOD45I
>>115978385Don't break your back trying to reach that far anon
This wouldn't have happened if Maimai was up and running