Ok how the fuck is Bae beating Fauna?
How is Kronii beating anyone?
Bae does shorts streams and Fauna refuses to, that simple reallyThey were withing 10k of eachother for like 2 years straight until Bae started doing shorts karaokes and zatsuFauna feels like shorts streams dilute your viewership with low quality viewers (actual info from when she talked about it in her membership stream) so she's likely not gonna do it ever
>>79545486pretty based green woman
>>79545207why is Sana so low in subs
Because of her plump fucking rat thighs
>>79545590I don't fault Bae for it though, she wants her 1 million wish, can't blame her for thatFauna doesn't seem to really care about it that much yet, probably doesnt know what she wants to doI assume Bae will ask for a solo live
>>79545207Music and being fluent in Nip.
>>79545207the JP additions.didn't she had a run doing alot of collabs with the JPs she speaks great Japanese doesn't she.
>>79545207Like gura beating all of them, dead subs
>>79545323>>79545207They got a lot of subs in their most buffed time period. Debut.
bae is doing the grind
>>79545207Because lazy green bitch doesn't stream
>>79545760This. Bae have the JP buff, these ~80k are all japanese because they can understand her and not Fauna. There is no new english fans for Promise, just like with Myth they already are subbed to them (or dead)
>>79545207Everyone's brought up lots of good reasons. I'd also add that Bae's music releases likely bring in extra subs as well.
>>79545207She's the anti-numberfag. No shorts streams, or unarchived karaoke or JP collabs to farm subs.
>>79545207Can't sing, can't dance, an asmr artists that doesn't do asmr, etc>>79545486Nice cope sapcuck
>>79545926Kronii please suck my dick
>Fauna ccv ~ 10-12k>Bae ccv ~ 2-3Kand yet Bae has way more subs. its so strange
>>79545962>JP collabshe can't
>>79545989I only suck korean 3 inch dick.
>>79545999>its so strangeFauna has an active audience and Bae has dead subs, it's not strange unless you are a catalog monkey like these guys >>79545980 >>79545926 >>79545207
>>79545207Bae streamed every single day during February while Mumei was on break and Fauna and Kronii barely streamed, she got a lot of subs then. And she has a sizeable Japanese fanbase that has just grown since she moved to Japan. But mainly because she simply just streams more. She has considerably less viewers on average, but when you look at the hours watched, the statistics even out. She also does a million other projects, much more than the other 3 combined, but still, she streams more time than any of them. She's been also getting some viral clips lately, just think about JDON.
>>79545207Vertical Karaokes are one of the biggest buffs and that's something Fauna doesn't do. This is the girl who decided not to have a 3d live... Bae, irys and Mumei owe their growth to vertical karaokes.
>>79546108They have similar vod views. Bae just has a worse timeslot and get less live views.
>>79545999>>79546108I feel like there is a lot of "high ccv low subs" cases in Hololive no?
>>79545962She is a numberfag but>karaokePeople make fun of her singing>JP collabsShe is EOP and hasn't shown any good effort in changing it>shortsIs more of an algorithm farm and hers is already fairly good seeing her CCV
Why do people still use subs as a metric for success? They're practically meaningless.
>>79545207botted subs. it's the only reasonable explanation why her ccv hasn't scaled with her subs. she still gets mogged by fauna because most of those new subs aren't actual viewers
>>79545999Here are Bae's actual numbers. Also Fauna's aren't as high as you think either.
>>79545675>I don't fault Bae for it though, she wants her 1 million wish, can't blame her for thatIt's really fucked up that they still gatekeep that 1M wish, SPECIALLY when you know that the Holostars get their wish at 100k, so everyone in Holostars gets their wish, but girls like Shiori probably never will, they should change so everyone gets it by their second anniversary or something
>>79545675They can't use 1m wish for sololive otherwise every single JP would ask for one and crowd the pipeline. It's the only thing in Hololive that's driven purely by numbers metrics because sololives need to sell out.
>>79546373subs come a lot from song covers, just see Nerissa who doesn't put any effort in her streams but every cover she does boosts her subs a lot
>>79546162Her growth is literally all verticals. Those streams bring a couple thousand subs each. Some of the early ones Bae did could get her like 4k. And she did tons of them. Her projects and everything else would maybe let her match Fauna or pass her by a couple thousands, the big gap is all from verticals. And almost none of those subs translate to viewers.
>>79546538You know what concurrent even means?
>>79546480subs are more important than ccv
>>79546536It's not a Bae thing though, most of Hololive is like that.
>>79546373Yeah, Subaru beats pretty much everyone other than Pekora, Marine and Miko in CCV but isn't even top 10 in subs
>>79546547The hell would a holostar even wish for? A grilled cheese sandwich and a shoulder to cry on?
>>79546538Funnily enough the only reason that sekiro and miku boxing stream was so high was from a Fauna raid
>>79546691The concurrent viewers are the little eye icon. They range from 3k-7k for average and 3k-12k for max. This was not even a remarkably productive week for Bae.
>>79546480If you say that about holo what do you say about every nijiEN member who has an even bigger gap in CCV
>>79545616how has Sana lost less subs than NijiEN?
>>79546480Meant to reply to this guy >>79546536
>>79546703Teehee
>>79546787Fair enough but she got 7k for Miku boxing before the raid. I'm sick of people lying and saying she's a 2k andy.
>>79546480people don't know shit about youtube
>>79545675I think you can't ask for a sololive anymore, and the wishes are getting more strict now, IRyS said that a lot of her ideas got denied because management told her that they just couldn't do it (probably because the wishes were related to other brands or maybe because those ideas required a lot of money)
Fauna is still beating Bae in daily /vt/ threadsFauna get like 25 theads per day vs a couple threads for Bae
>>79545207now show me the earnings
>>79547066So Shiori is the EN god by that metric when she was still beating Justice after debut
>>79546536botted subs, damn those bots and AI. AI empty niji concerts, and unbuy bots emptying out the Niji concert. and those unsub bots too, why would anyone still unsub from NijiEN?
>>79547228Yes and therefore Liz will dethrone Pekora as the most popular Holo of course
>>79547228i hardly ever see shiori threads though??
>>79545207Probably cuz Fauna is fucking boring
>>79545323Kronii was way ahead for a long time and then slowed to zero.
>>79547066This is it. This anon knows what real success looks like: the amount of shitty /vt/ threads.
>>79545207music and shortssubs are a dubiously relevant metric in 2024
>>79546480Because youtube itself still values it as one of there best metrics, you don't get play buttons for a level off CCV or hours watched this isn't Twitch with sub athon sleeping shit, you get it by Subs.And while you people might love to use the term "dead" subs a lot quite frankly having interest enough in someone to even bother having them show up in your feed is a metric of success because you have to get past that 1st hurdle. Hell even Twitch values subs/followers, the reason PDP, Ninja, XQC etc. you name them are all popular isn't because of their CCV it's because of the amount of subs. Liz currently has the most in Justice Bae and Kronii are beating FaunaMori is still dominating Kiara
>>79546757Sex with their holo oshi.
>>79545207Talent. She's genuine she told you who she was from the very beginning. Knows Japanese which imo is a vital important part of her sucess because she can reach and interact with 3 separate audiences. Plus bae has come long way. This girl became a gamer rat and is doing her idol reps.
>>79545207Mating press over Sapling press. Simple as.
>>79545207We love girls who support Stars.
>>79546373Nerissa is the perfect example of the opposite, no one would believe that she is the 2nd with most subs in Advent, but she is. Her first covers, coomer baiting in general, using her family to get subs, some months practically without solo content, a lot of "reaching this number of subs" streams, collabing with a lot of twitch chuubas and then spamming shorts with the sub counter. She just farmed dead subs and it worked, literally any of them could do it, but in exchange of losing your dignity for an stupid number that no one cares about besides some retards in this board or to boost up your ego
>>79545207Fauna stopping streaming consistently on top of not doing the high growth content has kneecaped her subs. But her live ccv is consistently one of the best in EN.
>>79545207Vertical stream algorithm is wider than regular one, you could get recommended random liver that has nothing to do with what you regularly watch pretty often, I get recommended random streamer that has nothing to do with what I usually watch in short + singing/karaoke stream is universal so it practically a huge net for subs farming cause how easy it is to find fresh stuff from tiktok style video scrolling than traditional youtube
>>79547412Not to mention, from an advertiser's perspective, in general subs are way more important than ccv. Each sub could represent someone who's going to see content on their feed. That means more eyes on their ads over the long term.
>>79545207Cocomelon has over 150 Million subscribers. Numbers dont mean shit i dont understand why you mfs always bring the shit up
>>79547414they get that for free though
>>79545207Not enough asmr and not consistent schedule crippled Fauna
>>79547412>youtube itself still values it as one of there best metrics, you don't get play buttons for a level off CCV or hours watchedBecause YouTube didn't start as a streaming site and streaming is still only a miniscule part of what people use YouTube for.>PDP, Ninja, XQC etc. you name them are all popular isn't because of their CCV it's because of the amount of subsAbsolutely braindead statement. When you go on Twitch channels are listed by CCV, not followers.
>>79547779Bigger Number = Better Streamer
Just goes to show that subs are meaningless. Fauna is clearly the superior chuuba in every way and yet she is in last place in subs
I hope Fauna will do another let's play some day, a lot of vtubers don't finish their story games or it takes way too long
>>79545962she even stopped doing asmr which rakes in the vod views. i never want to hear shitposters call her a numberfag ever again.
>>79547450Bae does indeed game. Not sure how much she likes it, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP1rV4evY2chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNbmcXRm-Nwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWuDYQ0pIEEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHBmkMjx1j0
>>79548008I really like how she does ASMR too. It has just the right feel to it. I hope she'll do more in the future.
>verticals, music, bots, dead sub farmingat least everyone can agree that however she's getting the subs, no one can fucking stand to watch enough of her to boost her ccv
>>79548008She is the promise with the most 3D coomerbait streams tho
>>79545847this, bae debuted ahead of everyone else in the group.also, council got chopped up by susan like 10 times in its first month so it's really hard to say who legitimately kept or lost what at that time.
>>79546860
>>79548121too bad subs literally do not fucking matter anymore algorithm wise. youtube took it out. they're strictly for epeen and I guess in Cover's case the million sub wish is a thing.views are king. I dunno how much youtube thinks about CCV since it's primarily a vod platform vs streaming but I would assume they do pay attention to it since it's similar to TV ratings.
>>79545207UNITY is the new hot thing and Bae collabs and acknowledges the Stars boys
>>79547838That's true if you do VODs but if you mainly streaming then I think channel membership is much more impactful since even if you didn't get 1 million subs you still have let's say 100 people pay $5 per month which meant $500 monthly revenue will be the backbone and superchat or ads from VODs as a tip or bonus, that's why even Youtube hell bent on premium subscription as source of revenue they willing to go after adblock to lure people to pay subscription
>>79548142thats just how she looks anon. she not deliberately trying to be sexy
>>79545207In the end TRUE unity always beats CGDCT
>>79548321Try watching the streams
>>79547833>Absolutely braindead statement. When you go on Twitch channels are listed by CCV, not followers.And yet Followers are still a metric they do bother having on the site, once again there is a reason why people do not give a single fuck about someone that has less followers than a stand out but has more CCV.And while people on /vt/ can understand, (CCV is people will to go out of their way, timezone,etc. to watch a stream when it's live) Subs and Followers will be the way the rest of the known world will value success.
>>79545486>Fauna feels like shorts streams dilute your viewership with low quality viewerswtf a vegan is actually smart?not many realizes that dedicated viewers only watch shorts of their oshis not finding someone from those
>>79545207>Japan crunch arc>Despite lots of homework, still regularly streams>JP streaming without alienating EN BAU BAU>Music
>>79545207Work harder and Jap language allow her to snatch JP fan as well
>>79548421Fauna is the least slutty girl in hololive
>>79548259YouTube clearly cares about CCV given how anal they are to cull as much of it as possible to have the accurate data for advertisers. Except fucking bots I guess. Nevertheless, we don't really have real numbers for EN, what we see as 10k stream might actually be 20-30k, YouTube doesn't even count PREMIUM users for displayed CCV, since by definition they don't watch ads. So yeah, if you bought premium, you don't actually count as a view in your oshi's stream. If you mute the stream, tab out of stream, or put it on second monitor - you don't count. And then there are some invisible barriers every 1k CCV where the stream can get stuck passing into that next "tier" for no reason at all.
>>79548731>main selling point is ASMRDYRBI?
>>79548853yea her asmr is completely non sexual. she doesnt kiss lick ears or make mouth soundsher asmr is pretty shit desu
>>79548955ASMR is a literal fetish
>>79548470Funny that /#/ favourite is someone that doesn't numberfag.
>>79549077>fetishbro my little sister does asmr stuff to me. its pretty normal shit these days
>>79548731>Fauna is the least slutty girl in hololiveYou mean EN right?
>>79549077Hands are also a fetish. Fauna has hands. Ergo, Fauna is a slut.And you are a retard.
>>79548823You're right anon. Because of the imfamous Premium cull, a 10k stream might actually be a 10,002 stream when you include all the premium users.
Who is the sluttiest girl in EN?
>>79548731no that's Kronii
>>79549420kronii
>>79549177Numberfagging natural numbers is more fun than watching someone numberfag their own content.
>>79545207she seems to care more about her fans than fauna
>>79549254I know you are trolling and trying to bait some anons>>79549320First, I never claimed she was a slut, the other anon was saying she doesn't coombaitSecond, using false equivalency makes you a bigger retard, people who claim to lister to asmr for "relaxation" are straight up lying if go see every reaction to every ASMR content, especially holo ones
>>79549420whoever doesn't stream friday and saturday night is a slut
>>79549383There is a lot more premium users around ever since YouTube started fucking around with adblockers, not everyone wants to deal with that shit and just starts paying. And that's only one of the many ways that YouTube culls numbers. Adblocks are obviously culled too.
>>79549420Real one or fake one?Real one Irys, fake one Nerissa.
>>79549649It's not false equivalence, it's actual equivalence. Some people having a dumb fetish doesn't exclusively make something fetish material.I'm listening to vtuber asmr vods right now, because it physically feels better on my ears than music, and I like to have it on while I grind levels on jrpgs.
>>79549869I got that, I just turned off my adblocker for a week and then turned it back on and nothing happened.
>>79545207Fauna>10k average>top in merch saleBae>dead subWhat the fuck were you even thinking, comparing a homowhore to CGDCT prime
>>79550256>CGDCT primeIsn't that Kiara?
>>79549649You do realize a lot of ASMR is just triggers, you don't have to talk?
>>79550337you have to be cute for that anon..
>>79545207how do any of these generic whores have subs?
>>79545207>don't stream>winRight from the playbook of the great strategist Gura Gawr
>>79545980>ESL>morning in jakartalike clockwork
>>79550493>brown calling out another brown
>>79546547>>79546757There is not more wishes for Holostars at 100K. That rule was changed after Uproar and applies even to Tempus and co.
>>79549649retard
>>79550256>CGDCT primeNo one brought up Gura
>>79550337It's a shame Kiara's original music doesn't get that much attention when she's one of the few doing original english songs in holoEN.
>>79545207https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tem4kHcM1s
Isn't Fauna the one with the largest ccv out of these 4?Just goes to show how pointless subs are
>numberlings coping and seethinglmao
>>79550571I'm a mayo monkey cracka albeit
>>79550895I do like some of her originals. She needs to hook the rest of the girls up with her composer/lyricist.
>>79550934One of the largest ccv of HoloEN not only Promise
>>79545207respect Bae for the grind
>>79549601>all naturalNice
>>79546480sapling seethe
>>79545980>>79546162>>79547289>>79547450>>79547529>>79547602>>79547690>>79547828>>79548284>>79548377>>79548672>>79548673>>79549639>>79550396>>79550426>>79550974>>79552020This is the actual reason>Number of #shorts streams used to farm subs:Bae 20Nerissa 16FWMC 14IRyS 13Mumei 9Mori 9Kronii 5Gura 2Biboo 3Ame 1Shiori 1Ina 1Kiara 1Fauna 0Nerissa is spamming them to this day with sub counter on screen, because it works. It's free subs.
>>79552210Jesas Bae
>>79552210>with sub counter on screenFuwamoco's spam was is fucking obnoxious.
>>79552210kek she is literally live
>>79552210Fauna isn't for me but I respect that
>>79551028no you aren't
>>79552210>>79552410https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4PqDjFmDlAShe was barely above 1k before Fauna raided her from SC catch up.
>>79552410completely shameless
>>79545999>and yet Bae has way more subs. its so strangeThey're empty subs, kinda like the Kobster's or Ollie.
>>79552347Dude, tell me about it. Doing it for game streams is really fucking pathetic. And they did it for two streams at the same fucking time.
>>79546757Playing golf with Yagoo.
>>79545323She beats me every night. I tried going to the police but they laughed at me
>>79545207same reasons Erb beats everyone else in subs despite being 3rd on viewership (based on the last justice full collab)
>>79552650Wait, they even put red SUBSCRIBE button on the screen? Shiet.
>>79552829>"Don't forget to smash that like button, bau bau!"
>>79552210Bae isn't spamming those midnight radios because she wants to farm subs, that's just a consequence. It was a weekly show during february, which her fans asked to continue because they enjoyed it.
>>79552903>that's just a consequencecope
>>79552210Ironic thing is Bae isn't using shorts to farm, it's just normal zatsus and the occasional music promo
>>79552903Convenient for her. At least it's not vidya vertical. Still explains the subs gain.
>>79552903>>79552903>Bae isn't spamming those midnight radios because she wants to farm subs, that's just a consequenceimagine being this dumb
>>79545323HOLY BOOBERS
>>79552969>reality is copeI wasn't saying it's not beneficial for her sub count, but she was literally asked by them to continue, it was supposed to be a month long thing originally. Stop being a dumb retard and watch streams.
>>79553035If she doesn't intend to farm subs, why not make it a normal stream?
>>79553165And the fans specifically asked her to do it vertically? stop being delusional
>>79553207because the streams need widescreen? and the feature is there, so why not use it?
>>79553318*don't need
>>79553318Nobody would care for verticals if it wasn't good for subs.
>>79552210QRD on this whole shorts stream thing? Are phone users too stupid to rotate their phones or something?
>>79553310Are you retarded? Midnight radios were a more personal stream during february, during which she experimented with several different stream ideas leading up to Valentine's Day, and yes, weekly midnight vertical stream was one of those. During those streams, she was asked by her fans to make it a continuous thing, that's all there is to it. I know you really want to paint her as some malicious numberfag, but at least sometimes you should watch.
>>79553476It's literally tons of free subs. The algorithm currently pushes shorts streams due to Youtube wanting to promote the feature (competing with tik tok zoomers watching streams on phones). You'll see a lot of tourists in these streams.
>>79553476It's a completely different audience, people who don't really watch regular videos at all, just tiktoks and shorts for dopamine shots. Normies and kids mostly. Just swipe 1000 shorts a day, oh that one was cute let's click sub and swipe 1000 more. That's why they rarely if ever transfer to non-shorts content and become a fan.
>>79553318there is literally no argument in favour of vertical streams apart from farming subs and you're not going to convince me otherwiseit's alright for chuubas to want as many subs as possible but let's not try to pretend that's not the aim here
>>79553685I'm aware of the Midnight radio and the Valentines stream. Doesn't mean that she had to do a vertical shorts stream for the rest of them, her audience didn't request that. >malicious numberfagNo, just a regular numberfag. There's nothing wrong about it either.
I like Fauna
>>79553476It's just some autistic schizo who probably has never watched any of those streams.
>>79553685This is actual cope because she was doing shorts before february. She was the first one to start to abuse them.
>>79553944Fauna should do fetish streams to farm subs
>>79553719>>79553767I see, though I find it kind of weird why anyone would care about, and why youtube would push, multi-hour streams if scrolling past 20s dopamine hits is what they're after.
>>79554161No one said youtube was smart. See: the new godawful layout they're trying to push.
Emotional DamageHow hard is it to find out Bae Japanese who speak English?Adv enough to lurk out with IDs to hang around with StarsJP wtv.
ITT: copeCouncil was a mistake
>>79553789With vertical streams i can use picture-in-picture and get a massive shot focused on my oshi's cute face, instead of also having to see the entire background and the chat display.It's an actually good format for zatsu and karaoke.
>>79546377Nah we love her singing, she has so much fun with it, her singing becomes good
>>79554300Will this help Irysfags?
>>79545207Does it really matter? Fauna has the least amount of subs yet has the highest CCV among them. Like what is the point in Bae having almost a million subs when her CCv is often below 3k? Meanwhile Fauna's the lowest yet her CCV is between 7-11k depending on the game.
>>79554416>we
>>79554416Her singing is the refined version of Ame's cringe-kino karaoke
>>79545486Just when I thought I couldn't like Fauna any better. She seems perfectly happy and content with where she is, probably treating it more like a unusual job that she enjoys doing, rather than some grand idol dream.
>>79554533she's a grifter, yeah
>>79554300I've seen captchas that make more sense than this esl
>>79554469it matters to shitposters like this >>79554575 because it's the only angle they have against Fauna in these threads
>>79554066She did 1 on christmas
>>79554533She SHOULD care more about idol dream, but she crumbles whenever she has to travel, so it's not that easy for her. I respect her approach to streaming and refusal to farm subs tho.
>>79554575I don't think you know what that word means.
>>79554668And unarchived karaokes.
>>79554650WE CANNOT BE FRIENDS
>>79545207Her content is better. simple as
>>79553789Well yeah there's no denying it's A way to gain subs, just like how livestreaming became better for #s over videos. The difference is that for Bae she's not appealing to retarded tourists with her shorts most of the time.
>>79546377How is she a numberfag?
>>79545207>holo v holoaway with you
>>79554766>The difference is that for Bae she's not appealing to retarded tourists with her shorts most of the time.You don't fucking have to. That's the thin, you literally do not have to. They take a look at her design hit sub then fuck off. Shorts watchers are fucking braindead.
>>79554766>she's not appealing to retarded touristsShe literally streamed a penis game dude
>>79554752that one is too forced and a nothingburguer, it's better to keep using the "she has less subs because she sucks"
>>79554766The content of the stream literally doesn't matter for shorts.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehtiExSSE9MBiboo gained a couple thousand subs reading supas.
>>79554914tbf that could just be because she's always thirsting over cock
>>79554533That's why I could never support her. She has no ambition, the best Holos are the ones who are always pushing to go higher and do more, it feels good to support them because they're using that support to do something worthwhile.
>>79555483>always pushing to go higher and do moreShe focuses on streaming. And her streams are arguably better than they were before. You might like the singers more.
>>79555483And that's fine, but we have now 19 girls in EN, apparently many people find Fauna's approach good for them. Someone looking for more idol stuff oriented oshi has other options. Someone who wants the specific kind of streaming experience Fauna provides will just stick with her.
>>79554684>>79555483Maybe, but that level of ambition is not really something you can easily learn. She does what she does very well, her fans love her, and she seems happy herself. To me, that is something worthwhile.
>>79545207music, pretty simple.
It's always fucking hilarious>OH MY GOD SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BEING AN IDOL! SHE'S JUST COASTING!Ignoring the fact that she literally cannot sing and has been taking vocal lessons to get better. She doesn't pump out music because she still knows she's bad and is self conscious about it. She showed up in 3 different people's birthday/anni lives that she had to work her ass off for on top of her own showcases and Holofes to the level that it burnt her the fuck out and got her scared of going back, especially since she also got supremely homesick, and then regular fucking sick when she came back from Japan with Covid for the millionth time. She cares. She's just also insecure. This is the same fucking woman still getting imposter syndrome 3 years into her fucking career.
>>79555860I mean all the Holos stream. There are extreme cases like Suisei where she rarely streams at all but for the most part if you're supporting someone like Mori at least you know that she's going to use that to try and do concerts, make music, etc. >>79555860I like the singers but mostly I enjoy the idol journey and seeing my oshi thrive and make their dreams reality
>>79556115The last time she was in Japan she learned and performed I think 16 songs, most with dances, in just a couple months. She was a guest in 3 3D lives. That's while streaming quite regularly at FST (so in the morning while she was there). She always gets ruined by traveling and timezone changes, and admitted she feels very lonely far from home. She wants to do idol stuff, but there are some things you can't simply change about a person.
>>79554939>coping this muchsaplings are truly delusional and pathetic
>>795566181. Aventure Holic [Forma de Splash Party]>-Start of her 3D Showcase-2. Fukashigi no Carte3. Mouso Express4. Kamisamano Kamisama5. Vanilla Salt>-End of 3D showcase->-Start of Promise showcase6. Connect the World [Forma de Promise]7. Doki Doki Morning8. Go!!>-End of Promise Showcase-9. Taiyou iwaku moeyo chaos10. Chu, Tayousei11. Seishun Archive12. Summer Time [Forma de Watame's Live]13. Chu, Tayousei [Forma de New Years]14. Kawaiikute, Gomen15. Bon Appétit16. ODDTAXI
>>79556480>I mean all the Holos streamI mean all the Holos sing. >I enjoy the idol journey and seeing my oshi thrive and make their dreams realityYou are a retard that thinks that this can only be accomplished on stage. Their streams are a much bigger part of the idol journey.
>>79556347>>79556618you're being a little too reasonable pal, have you forgotten where we are? this is the brown schizo thread, you can either seethe about green woman or gtfo
>>79546691Sorry, he's dumb.
>>79557275I'm sorry I'm literally incapable of seething about green woman. Every time I try to say "I think Fauna is cute", it just ends up changing shit to cute by itself.
Bae is simply more talented and hard working than Fauna and people are finally starting to realize this.
>>79554583
>>79551045She's doing fine with her originals, there's JP members which they have better composed songs than Kiara that barely scratch 400K views. I can say that Chimera helped a lot to her singles from the album. What i do think is a crime is TGW getting so little views, it's one of the few songs in hololive i would totally say is the most original one alongside Daydream and one Mio song that every frame of the MV is pure kino. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsAbCDORf2yRhbpcXJWlUIpMRRsfZu5Nt
>>79548187which is?
>>79560284
>>79553719>>79553767the absolute state of modern humanity
>>79554161>>79561045You haven't seen the best part. They're rebroadcasting the shorts streams kek.
fauna is strangely autistic about gatekeeping her chatshe doesn't want her ASMR to be served by the youtube algo either because she hates the typical ASMR tourist
>>79545207I thought Bae was a homocollabing zoomer pickme who was also a failure, explain yourself unicornkeks
>>79561605ouch this guy actually fell for the psyopswe need to get you to a de-brainwashing facility asap
>>79561605bae had clearly stated her intentions of being a homocollaber day 1. This took a hit on her numbers as expected but still followed the idol route through sheer will and talent which is respectable in itself.
>>79545999You will often see this point being parroted but Fauna has arguably the best streaming slot in all of EN, one which has the lowest chance of overlap while Bae has one smack dab in the middle of overlap 90% of the time.Overlap is the single biggest factor for viewership above all other factors and you will see this being consistent across all girls with low-overlap slots for each gen. Ina for Myth, Fauna for Promise, Biboo for Advent and now Raora for Justice (subject to change). Now you add on the other factors like how Fauna is a genuinely great streamer so she gets to convert the viewers she gets with zero overlap into regular viewers. Also your estimation of their viewerships is completely wrong. here are their 365-day true averages
>>79545207Easy, Bae streams more than Fauna.
>>79562141*90-day I meant
>>79562239If that were the case, we'd probably expect Bae to have more members or unique user IDs in her streams than Fauna, but that's decidedly not the case. So, it's probably because Bae releases idol content once a season or so, and those tend to attract a lot of views; Fauna, by contrast, only does idol stuff when Hololive pushes her to, so people out of the EN sphere aren't likely to see her.
>>79562239>>79561605>>79561975>>79561681Retards>>79552210
>>79563032I swear to God, if I ever see any vertical stream from a chuuba again..
>>79562141Now count how many raids Fauna gets compared to everyone else. Some girls can get as many in a week as Fauna total in 2024, and some of those are fat Fauna raids. That improves average by a ton too. Fauna often streamed over Ina/Biboo, and not like everyone else deals with like 5way overlap daily either, 2-3 is still the average.
>>79545207What happened to Niji this time?Luca creeped on a girl again?
>>79546603Most of it is verticals. But she did also get a nat boost from her efforts in Febaerary, plus IIRC her rate jumped up during the Mario Kart tournament arc. But yeah, shortly after, the verts began and the bulk of her growth has been that.If that's the system, use it. I don't see why not. If it helps her secure her dreams, that 1milly wish and the solo live, I'm for it. Plus, I actually do like the format for rolling in bed and watching a stream. Feels cozy.
>>79563239>fat FaunaIs this a Hololard reference?
>>79563415When someone asks "why is Bae gaining subs so fast?" and the answer is "vertical streams", don't reply back with stupid "well what's wrong with that?"
>>79545207Bea has talent
You retards should stay in your fucking containment thread.
>>79545207Being a Hololive entertainer really encompasses 2 factors: Streamer and Performer/IdolBae is a fucking shit streamer on the scale in EN she probably clocks in at a 4/10 at best on the regular streams as opposed to Fauna who is consistently 9/10 if not just outright 10/10 However, on the second half of the equation, Bae successfully sells herself as a performer, and that would pique the interest of many people in the Hololive sphere, that's why even before this growth spurt she gained from all the vertical streams, she was still neck to neck to Fauna whom some people here would swear on their firstborn that she is the very best, in her gen at least. Fauna never wished to sell the image that she's anything more than a funny gamer girl who occasionally does asmr, so Karaoke stream is once in a blue moon, and confidently the one with the least JP rep in Promise. With that's said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, sure she misses out on thousands of potential subs because of lack of music contents or JP mingling, but she's contented with her place in Hololive, and it's not as if she can find some massive breakthrough that's outside of music contents for subs, to sweep as low as some numberfags who even force their gaming streams onto Vertical streams is to discard whatever dignity she has left after going vegan.
>>79545207Spams shorts
>>79547041>IRySHer wishes were likely dumb because she's retarded.
>>79565201>types up a paragraph only to be wrongRetard >>79552210
>>79553476Shorts by their implementation have to be vertical aspect ratio. Holos are too lazy to record some funny shorts after a stream is done so they record an entire singing stream in vertical aspect ratio which they can just clip from and call the result a "short".
>>79546538no one cares Bae just collabed with another male?
>>79565974(You) pretended that you'd read the whole thing anon>this growth spurt she gained from all the vertical streamsLying hypocrite
Remember that despite making up 4% of the total HoloEN subscriber, saplings still responsible for 80% of all the numberfaggotry in all of /vt/
>Mumei at the top>unicorn bros, we won again
>>79566861Just because Fauna is the darling of /#/ doesn't mean they're all saplings anon, they worship the numbers, they couldn't care less about who brings them in
>>79566861>schizo mad that he is getting fact checked on his own Holo vs Holo numberfaggotry
>>79566861This thread was literally made by a numberfagging saplingschizo(You)
>>79567066If that's the case then they should be able to maintain a fucking general for her, right?And don't even use the schizo raid excuse with me, consider /ggg/ exists
>>79567066To be fair, many are pretty hardcore saplings, some maybe even more than average /uuu/ user, but it's generally more Promise + Gura oriented thread (for comparison global is much more Myth focused). People come in waves too, so obviously you will see more saplings around FST than in JP primetime for example.
>>79566268no they dont watch streams and are too distracted by ERB kek
>>79566861Fauna is fucking evil.
>>79546538>Also Fauna's aren't as high as you think either.How high are her numbers?
>>79567373>Promisesince when do they like Kronii and Bae?
>>79546757Gawr Gura's phone number
>>79569267They don't. Saplings are duplicitous little liars and love to pretend to like other girls when it helps them look better but they are probably some of the biggest antis around when they think nobody's watching. Post Kronii or Bae in /#/ and watch what happens. And remember that Fauna WANTS to cultivate this kind of audience.
>>79545962Explains why she's the one I watch of those four. Anything remotely ironmouse tryharding flavored is just gross, meanwhile Fauna content comes across as the relaxing time it's presented as even as Fauna herself is in actuality one of the more professional and deliberate performers who knows she's at work and probably maintains a very clear internal declination of what is work and what is play. Like yeah, I know the emotions_stripper doesn't actually personally love me and anything FAMOLY flavored is just...no. No thanks to tryharding and girlbosses and cliques and gay shit.idk man being a sapling feels good, feels like the only way, so if you're wondering if I get a choice, no.
>>79565413Most Vtubers are, DESU
>>79569393Those aren't saplings
>>79555483What do you define support as?
>>79545486I dont watch her but id assume she does vertical streams too. Seen some small vtubers farming subs like that and working out for them.
>>79569545>it doesn't count!
>>79547289Indeed, my name is boring
>>79569604Member, buy merch
>>79569449rent free
>>79545207Unitybros we winning
>>79569449Fauna good
>>79575221Real schizo bumpity bump from page 11 hours, some things never change around here.
>>79545207Cuz fauna still searching for a friend
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>>79565413She's a cute and entertaining retard tho.
>>79545207Better content.
>>79569612I wouldn't exactly call 50k subs with 80 ccv "working out"But maybe they do need the funny sub numbers to present to the investors
>>79554668Cringe kino
Kronii is part of promise too
>>79545207she cute
>>79545323Her first superchat stream people would send supas for her to say "hey honey" and "ara ara." She got nearly $50k. It's been downhill ever since.
>>79554684>crumbles whenever she has to travel>>79556618>always gets ruined by traveling and timezone changesyeah, tht's what the vegan does to ya i'm telling, a few pound on meat a day an the girly would be soaring all over
>>79552410>WATCHING higurashiHoly retard
Thread still up. I still like Fauna.
