https://x.com/jingo_1016/status/1809101855655670159Filian's model is a publicly available Rindo model made by Jingo and it sure sounds like neither Filian, Mythic talent, or Goodsmile asked him before pumping on merch using the design.
>>79947431Indies don't require perms. Get rekt, anti.
>>79947488Japanese companies do when producing something based on a Japanese right's holders design. He can now sue goodsmile company and probably win under japanese law because of filian.
>>79947488Yes they do. They just break the law constantly. I'm not against it, but it is illegal.
kind of a big deal given the jp perm autism, wtf was goodsmile thinking
>>79947431Very possibly a case of the artist signing away more than he realized at some point. Remember, always hold onto your IP rights until there's money in your hand or you're dead.
>>79947769They probably didn't know that Filian's model was based on a VRChat model
>>79947488yes but companies that operate in japan do.
>>79947769This would definitely be more Filian's fault than Goodsmile's. It's not like Goodsmile knows what VR chat even is, much less that Rindo is a model you can buy on Booth and not an original design created by Filian. On the flipside, Filian would know that this isn't her original design when she went through this process apparently without contacting the original artist.It comes down primarily to whether or not buying the Rindo model on booth includes merchandising rights. I'd always assumed it did since Filian's made merch using this design before, but if it doesn't and the artist finds out that something like picrel exists she could be in some serious shit lmao.
Filian should just contact the Chinese factories directly. It sucks that an indie is still subject to Japanese perms autism, which is of course what sisters want.
>>79947912>perms
Earlier today I saw people saying that Filian had a deal with the modeler.So, was that just a fuckin' lie this whole time?
>>79947928/lig/ger brainrot, prease andastand
>>79947431I'm pretty sure Filian talked about Mythic telling her to buy the rights to her model, if she bought the rights to make merch of it they don't really need his permission to do that
>>79947610Anon, there isn't a country on Earth where this Jingo guy would lose if he sued her. This isn't a Japanese thing.
>>79947885>Filian getting fucked over because she went to too high profile of a company using a design that wasn't hersPlease god let this happen because it would be so fucking funny
>>79947488>moron thinks acquiring an IP illegally doesn't require permsI think filianniggers might be down right retarded.
>>79948044I mean, most of them are 12.
>>79947885>>79947928>>79947999He explicitly says merchandising you have to request permission, he has a case
>>79948071Then she is SCREWED.
If anything it really surprises me how she got this big without having an original or ever trying to get oneEven Neuro-sama moved on from a default asset at some point
>>79906193>>79910830 >>79911697
>>79948071Yeah, I’m thinking it’s open and shut in his favor.
>>79948071Then one possibility is that they assumed they only needed to do this once. They get permission for tangible goods, then produce them as they like afterward even though the artist wants to be part of every deal (presumably so he can get a cut if it's something that he actually cares about, which a JP artist absolutely would for a Nendo)
>>79948124If they worked out the deal, why is he only finding out about this now?
>>79948071Uh oh
>>79948071Is she retarded?
>>79948180Because they didn't. That's the joke.Filly done fucked up. Goodsmile's gonna want the money they invested back and likely sue for breach of contract. Even if nothing else happens that's gonna sting.
Really depends on what kind of merch deal she got before. It could be that the artist and Filian didn't agree to the same thing.
>>79947488You're arguing for "fair use" when they made a shit ton of merch. Are you retarded? A streamer may stream a game but they're not sitting there making merch of the thing they're streaming. Filian can't just make merch off the model she was using.
>>79947991indies, especially twitch zoomer faggots, will just lie first and then look up justifications later.
>>79948022She won't get fucked, they will settle with her giving up a chunk of cash (won't matter, she's rich) and probably a cut of future profits
>>79948284Additionally, Fair use doesn't exist in Japan, so even if filian got off scott free it leaves Goodsmile's ass hanging in the wind
>>79948071LAWSUIT INCOMING.
>>79948071>>79948022oh damn, how much illegal merch did she make?
>>79948358I would also like to make clear that this cannot be fair use in the US. She would need permission or a license deal to do this.
>>79948369She has the Youtooz and Fansly merch that the artist probably still doesn't know about.
>>79948265Most the artist meant that you must ask for each individual piece of merch while Filian thought it meant "just ask once and done"
>>79948411whoops
>>79948071Fucking hell, man. But they're just gonna settle out of court anyway
>>79948456did she commission this art at least or did she steal it from the original artist?
>>79948368lol, lmaoHow do you even sue goodsmile?In their place, I'd just rally antis to chase that poor fucking sod of an artist off the internet.
>>79947431Place your bets on who fucked up, Mythic or Filian?
Pay up
>>79948514Filian, she likely never told Mythic or assumed that the purchasing agreement included merch (it didn't)
>>79948253>and likely sue for breach of contractAre you underage? Or worse, Americans?
>>79948514I mean bothIf she let Mythic do all the work, then it's still her responsibility to check that out. And Mythic to trust Filian if she ever said "yeah, I can sell merch of this"
>>79948514the fuck you mean?obviously filianShe was in the picture way before mythic, she knew the terms of the use of her model, not mythic
I knew that not having an original model would bite her on the ass one day. Why did she have to be so lazy? Was she afraid of losing her branding with the Rindo model?
>>79948492When the board was reviewing Selen's case it was determined that these JP companies can't go after someone not in Japan. She can't make it through GSC but she can still make nendos if she wants.
>>79948651>>Was she afraid of losing her branding with the Rindo model?That’d be odd, as it was never truly her branding.
>>79947999china, copyright is void if it is not chinese
>>79947431Knew it was the case when an argument happened in a thread that "she bought the rights to use the model for merch" without a single source beyond an off-handed comment she made years ago with a older model.
>>79948514Mythic would take the hit but Filian is the one who wasn't upfront about not owning the model
>>79947431Wait a minute, you are telling me that one of the most sub vtubers was using an open source model? How the fuck she hasn’t got her own model?
>>79948689>these JP companies can't go after someone not in Japan.That's not true at all.
>>79948689You're retarded
>>79948651It's 'cause she physically cannot do anything originalAll of her content relies on other people to do the work for her
>>79948689Selen’s case is way different.
>>79948775Pretty sure that's the conclusion our board lawyers came to.
>>79948120Vedal doesn't have brain damage from doing all the flips with a heavy VR headset on his head.
>>79948689>believing VTs legal advice>believing VTs when it's full of dramafags trying to justify pre-existing opinionsngmi
>>79948071oh god how the hell do you fuck this up?
>>79948821Oh, so you’re the NDF, got it.
>>799486891. Goodsmile is a Japanese company, a lawsuit could stop the Nendo from happening entirely.2. Not really. The Selen stuff is extremely different. Doki was fine with taking secondary aspects of her old brand, because those weren't things that the company created to begin with so even if they tried to sue t hey wouldn't have had much of a case. But if she tried to use the name Selen, or even just keep using her old model she would have absolutely gotten her tits sued off her body. That's what looks to be happening to Filian, since she does not own merchandising rights to herself and she is attempting to create merchandise.
>>79947431F flip girlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ykAXB3JFy4
>>79948689>it was determined that these JP companies can't go after someone not in Japan.No, it's just not feasible to go after someone for things that aren't slam-dunks like this one. Filian by the artists own admission explicitly broke the terms of use for his model, her only choices are ignoring it and praying he doesn't push the envelope (he will, it's easy money and morally correct) or she just pays him a chunk to shut up.
ah yea filian has no chance to win here its best she settlea this oit of court and get her own original model design
With all the money she is raking why didn't she just commission for a new model or buy the model itself
>>79948798>sister really wants it to be wrong so niji can sue dokibird and their corpo will be somehow respected againin your dreams sister
>>79947431Though Fillian commissioned someone to make her model. Don't know shit legally, but it's real bad for Fillian if she didn't pay Jingo in some way. Especially with all the money she's made now off the model.
>>79947431That's not good.>flips>lands in legal trouble
>>79948821>board lawyersIs this dude serious lmao
>>79948876>Why didn't the retarded VRChat leech who can't keep a thought in her head for more than 5 seconds simply do a thing that takes a dozen secondsYou tell me.
please let something come out of this, it would be funny and deserved, but i have a feeling it will be a nothingburger
>>79948689Most countries have compatible IP laws since it becomes impossible to transact business globally without them.
How the fuck does she not own the model. Just ditch the current model and hire someone to make a new one that you can own
>>79948514Mythic will 100% foot the bill and buy the rights
>>79948769Being a retard mostly. She's made plenty of money to do it, but thought it was funnier to keep a recurring joke of "I'll get a new model someday guys!" and never actually doing it.
>>79948876She will if this escalates, unless they come to an agreement
>>79947912>Japanese perms autismMy brother in Christ, SHE DOES NOT OWN THE MODEL. Its a public one without rights to be merchandized. This shit wont fly in every country, including US.
>>79948931It's not a criminal case or anything. Filian would just lose money. Could be a lot of it considering how big she is at this point. Seriously though. I thought she must've been smarter than this to get this far.
>>79948946She can hire the original artist too, it's not that hard.
>>79948937Is this why China's economy is so strong?
>retarded anon thinks that a Japanese company has no way to sue someone in the US over copyright infringementWait until anon learns about treaties that deal with copyright.
>>79948887You're retarded. The situation with niggersanji and the one here with filian are completely different. She fucked up and will have to pay a settlement unless this guy tries to cut a deal. The interesting thing is that he will HAVE to take legal action to retain his own IP rights. If he doesn't enforce them, he will actually lose them
>>79948876Because she's the ultimate grifter. Her ''content'' is just leeching other people works.
>>79947610Probably his plan since the beginning and many others that offer free models
>>79948514It's clearly both but if there's any legal issue Mythic will just push all blame on fillian, she's the one retarded enough to not commission a new similar but legally distinct model once she got big.
>>79948931Goodsmile company is a high profile figure manufacturer, this isn't a nothing burger. Nips take copyright very seriously, they're unlikely to want to work with her from now on
>>79948867>morally correctBig artist suing indie vtuber just sounds like harassment through litigation to me.
>>79948958No, what's going to happen is>gets contacted by her lawyers to pay up>UH SHIT CHAT WHAT DO I DO>flips>buys the booth model>THERE I FIXED IT RIGHT?
>>79948997No, their economy is “strong” because they follow Maoist principles in cutting corners, and thus, their standard equipment breaks with low-stress exertion.
>>79948997Actually, this mostly harms them. There are TONS of shitty knock offs that dot the landscape and they are flooded with garbage media and merch. It does not promote the average person to gain. If everybody is making fakes, how can you profit off of it? Despite what anon said, the chinks are lax even on their own countrymen. It's only when a foreigner in China steals from a Chinaman that they care a lot.
>>79947912>Japanese perms autismI'm sure you wouldn't know, but she'd need permission even if GSC and the creator of the model weren't Japanese as copyright is something respected in first world countries.
just give him a cut of the profits and it'll be over in a day lol
>>79947431OH NONONONONONO
>>79949067See >>79948071
>>79949067Who owns the IP, anon?
I'm really petty, so if I was the artist I'd ban Filian from using the model in the future.
>>79949067Are you baiting or genuinely a fucking retard? Everything you're posted in this thread is single digit IQ drivel
>>79948931There is a non zero chance that they nuke this board of anything Filian related as punishment
>>79948997>strongKek, when local city and regional officials have an incentive to cook the books or face the wrath of Beijing.All smoke and mirrors.
>>79949125More like she's going to be the one getting a cut after trying to pull this, if she's lucky
>>79949157That could happen.
I cannot fucking believe she was this stupid/lazy, a mid-tier 3D modeller could edit the face and hair enough to be legally distinct and they could do it in days. this could have been solved for less than five hundred dollars and she now could be losing tens of thousands instead, what the actual fuck
This is Seth's fault
She should be required to make one large lump sum, and pay a royalty per bit of merch. That's the best way to avoid court and the artist gets to profit.
Not so indie now huh
>>79949053Most people aren't retarded enough to try and make merch of designs they don't own
>>79949067>big artistJingo's name isn't really well known, their models are. And even if you want to argue they're big because of that they're certainly not bigger than Filian, the person whose making bank illegally off their models.
>>79949067>Big artistLMAO
>>79948946none of her current merch directly uses the model. but the character design itself has copyright, which might apply even if she makes a new model with the same design
>>79949006Treaties get broken all the time, why would that change now? Just look at the recent ceasefires.
how could flip fuck up so muchshouldn't she know that she doesn't own it
This is the booth page:https://booth.pm/en/items/3443188There are terms of use detailed and license agreement documents in the description:規約全文(JP)https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YI2J3eIl6HaaDhrw6MP5742rKh_L7e7j/view?usp=sharing이용규약(KO)https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W8tL5Yywt1Xue2381wnbOUZEBl3QZR_R/view?usp=sharingTerms of use(EN)https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QxPH35idalnqYYCs9zS9DDuTvhNSfnOv/view?usp=sharing使用条款(ZH)https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PtsUWs5DPczPGc23FU0HodeN9jXV3DS5/view?usp=sharing
>>79948955>buy the rightsAfter a huge settlement, why would he be willing to sell the rights to his creation.
>>79948651Yeah, probably. She BLEW UP in popularity with the "Rindo" model for one, and for two she's been streaming long enough and done enough to have most likely formed an emotional attachment to it meaning she would be even less inclined to stop using it.
>>79949125Filian is really on the mercy of the artist, hopefully the artist is kind
>>79947431who and who?people actually buy a nobody figurine?
>>79949234Wrong scam corpo. This is asmongold's fault.
>>79949234That's MSM not Mythic anon
>>79949273The US and Japan have a very good and stable relationship. Give me one good reason why they would not comply with a treaty that deals with copyright of all things? This is a nonsense cope
>>79949311He's not. He's going to ask for tens of thousands of dollars at least.
>>79949285Didn't she support AI shit too? She simply doesn't care about artists and creative endeavors
>>79949311 her fanbase will destroy him if he tries anything
>>79949219>and she now could be losing tens of thousands instead, what the actual fuckShe could be losing hundreds of thousands of dollars or even more if she didn't get permission for her old merch too
>>79949157that's possible.What a shame. It's really sex. Seriously, you fucked up, Filian. Hope you can somehow find a way to pay him enough to keep it or rebrand properly like Vedal did.
>>79949382By doing what, exactly?
>>79949382lol, I'm sure her fanbase is full of lawyers
>>79949287
>>79949327Japan needs the US more than we need them. They literally don't have an army without US.So that's a bargaining chip in US favor.The yen is also really weak right now and needs foreign buyers, they would forego the American market.
>>79949382Kek they can't do shit.
>>79949125It's possible that she has NEVER contacted him for any of the merch she's produced.The YouTooz, the Novel Horizons, the GamerSupps, and whatever else.She's potentially on the hook for a fuckload of money, even if it just ends in a payout.
>>79948508goodsmile is a japanese company.
>>79949376She literally just has an AI art tag filter out ai slop from her main art tag.
>>79949219I cannot believe you're this stupid either: these models are sold primarily as a base for you to add upon. She could change the hair model, the outfits, the colors, the proportions, but so long as that base model is still the base it's always going to be his. And these people know this shit, one of the most famous early incidents revolving these models was because a guy used a mesh, I repeat, a fucking mesh that simply slightly changes how I believe his coat was rendered, that had a "don't monetize your stuff while using it". They have an eye for this shit and they WILL notice it.The REAL dumbest thing was the guy would have likely said OK you can sell merch so long as you give me a small cut if she just asked. Or if he went japschizo like most of these modelers do she could've just hired someone to make a new model for her ground-up with no issues.>>79949382God I hope they try something. It'd only blow up the case even bigger and make it even worse for Filian which would be funny as hell.
>>79949382Oh no they're gonna say mean things on twatter :'(Pack it up boys, filian won amd artist man lost
>>79949469Oh, even better. I'd sue the artist for slander.
>>79949443Currently, the US and Japan are signers of the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, an international agreement governing copyright. Among other provisions, it requires that signatory countries recognize copyrights held by the citizens of all other parties to the convention. So, the copyrights of Japanese citizens and companies are respected in the United States, but Japan’s copyright law does not to apply to the United States (and vice versa).Fine me a case in which the US reneged on this for Japan.
>>79949443What the fuck are you even talking about, do you genuinely believe the US gentry and the military industrial complex give two fucks about Filian? This isn’t an international incident.
>>79949457>redditspacingfirst of all, kyssecond of all it's not possible it's literally exactly what happened, that's what makes it such a massive fuckup. how do you fuck up a goodsmile deal this bad man, just buy merchandizing rights
>>79949531Yeah, except you're not goodsmile and they're not suing anyone. Keep up the delusions, though. It's hilarious.
>>79949402I mean unless this is an ABSOLUTE nothingburger, and I'm talking like "the artist was drunk and forgot that he said this is okay" kind of nothingburger, this is going to force Filian to get a new model just to ensure nothing like this ever happens again lol. And she's probably going to want to stay away from a legally distinct version of her current design too just to be safe
>>79949382AI slops aren't advanced enough to make 3D models yet
>>79949382Please, please god be this retarded, I beg of you.
>>79949596You really think the artist is retarded enough to decline free money? He will just get a cut and let her continue using it
>>79949382Snackers don't have the attention span to bully a salaryman, and /vt/ is not your army.
>>79949382Her fanbase? You mean the people paying for a>TWO>HUNDRED>DOLLAR>CHATBOThttps://fansly.com/filianAI/postsThose retards can't do SHIT
>>79949542>nooooo don't space out distinct statements for readabilityGet over yourself, faggot
>>79949067>Big ArtistHoly fucking retard. I didn't know filianfags were this fucking stupid.
>>79949662He doesn't have to let her continue using it is the thing. If he feels slighted over this he can just deny it, and STILL walk away with a lot of money if she was merchandising it without contacting him first.
>>79949382>a bunch of teenagers>destroy anythingall they can do is to send him mean messages on twitter.
>>79949596Either that or negotiate with the dude for full Comercial control over the model
>>79949674>readabilitywhat are you posting on buddy? on my computer that post wouldn't even screenwrap
I'm surprised she didn't own that model, I don't understand why she is binding herself to someone for being a big lig
>>79949696No one is saying he does? On what planet do you think he's gonna revoke the right to use it when he can do less and rake in thousands of dollars?
could it be legally distinct?
it's going to be genuinely interesting watching this situation unfold
>>79949596It”d be hilarious if this was just a documentation/ clarity issue, but for now, it doesn’t look great for her.
>>79949533With how fast this thread is it's definitely going to get picked up by dramatubers and then trickle up to more mainstream outlets, so there's a chance just like last time.
>>79949507Filian has enough money and lawyers do destroy some small time arthog through some loophole. Her fanbase will support her and attack him if he tries anything.
NEVER FORGET RINDOU YUKIRINDORK FOREVER
>>79949748how is it legally distinct when it is LITERALLY the model?
>>79948514Mythic isnt a corpoFillian is fucked though. I can 100% see him revoking her license to use the model anymoreUnfortunately this means she will just commission someone for pennies to make her a new one and she will run away with 0 consequences
>>79949483>They have an eye for this shit and they WILL notice it.finally an excuse to share this story. I do 3D, back when I first started I wanted to learn from the best in the vtubing industry by looking at their topology (don't wanna name names since it's a small group). I managed to find an image with their face topo on a model and my jaw dropped because they were using the same topo as I was experimenting with... we both got it from a granblue fantasy versus model. very different face shape, but the same topoany modeller will recognize their own topology immediately or another person's if they've worked with it before, the only way to hide it is to slightly reshape the face but redo everything from scratch
>>79948071Jesus Christ it's over.
>>79949717Problem with that is what do you do with all the people who bought and already own this model? They have it too and the agreement they bought it under already says they can stream with it and all that stuff.
>>79949443>the US military and State Department will step in and support filianAre you high?
>>79949748Filian is the equivalent of a Sonic recolor from the early 2000s.
>>79949772>loophole
>>79949533dude's retarded, doesn't realize that the US also needs Japan as a bulwark against China and that Japan has recently re-militarized.
>>79948456OHNONONONO
>>79949771Yes, I’m certain the fucking House is going to care about Filian’s possible legal issues during a national election year.
If I was the guy I would want a fat check, like 150k at least for previous infractions and then a cut out of any future merch
>>79949669>Snackers don't have the attention span to bully ok I laughed but they absolutely do
>>79948689This is breaking western laws too you retard
>>79949740>On what planet do you think he's gonna revoke the right to use it when he can do less and rake in thousands of dollars?Have you ever downloaded an MMD model in your life? Here's an example of a semi-famous Miku model, verbatim>On Page 13 of [a book commonly used in classical literature reading that I can't remember, probably the one with the moon quote], the password is the first and third characters on each sentence in that page
>le change hair color to white>put on a different costume>this model's IP is mine now huehuet. - Filian
>>79949772What fucking loophole lol? law still applies to e-girls.
>>79949851based
What's even worse is, she probably just downloaded the model from VRCHAT and didn't even pay for the original one LOL
>>79949542Redditspacing is never a thing you election tourist faggot. Not saying he's wasn't typing like a faggot
>>79949740On what planet do you think that he can't just take the money and say no because he was disrespected? If Filian really has never contacted this guy before then she could wind up on the hook for an unbelievable amount of money. At that point it comes down to whether or not the artist wants to continue letting someone who would be scummy make money from his work.
Well hopefully this is a lesson for the artist to make merchandise requirements explicitly clear next time.
>>79949806>>79949879His loophole is Filian blowing the judge presumably.
>>79949374>ask for tens of thousands of dollarsas he should. it's his IP and in the agreement Filian agreed to when she bought the vrchat model it clearly says to contact artist if the model is going to be used in commercial goods. she's fucked if she tries anything other than back pay the artist and sign a contract with the artist to be able to use HIS model in her product. the companies that are making her goods with the stolen IP are wide open for lawsuits, loss in revenue, loss of inventory, loss of reputation.
>>79947431This is why Vedal commissioned a new model right when he saw that Neuro was getting popular.
>>79949904It was pretty clear already she just figured he was japanese and would never figure it out
Not a vtuber, not vtubing>>>/trash/
>>79948689>JP companies can't go after someone not in JapanTell that to Nintendo
>>79949740It's entirely possible he'll do both. Force her to stop making money and likely streaming with the model ASAP but still take a cut of everything she earned with it on the merch front bare minimum.
>>79949930Vedal did it because Anny offered to do it for free (for clout)
>>79949902Because you're comparing one time lump sum with a much larger cut of all future revenueLike the guy can be as petty as he wants, it's his right. I'm just explaining why he would be absolutely retarded to do so
Funny enough, this artist is entitles to nearly 100% of the profits of the merch if he pushes plus damages. But it won't get that far.
they'll probably come to an agreement on him getting royalty money from the merch that she has made so far.
>>79949904>explicitly clear>literally a link to a ToS doc >in clear english on the models booth page >in 4 different languages including english
>>79949904Its pretty fucking clear to me. >>79949441
>>79947431there goes her cocaine budget
>>79949823Thats it? Think bigger anon, she's most likely on the hook for 500k minimum, and depending on his lawyer, he could be looking at a sweet 1m
>>79949986yeah this is the most likely outcome, royalties and a cut negotiation
Any word from fillian? Discord? Probably join it before she closes it and runs away with the money
>>79949748No. It's literally the same model. I like Filian, but she fucked up here. Badly.
>>79949822i think she has resources to delay the proceedings until after november if you think that helps
>>79950031There's still plenty of time for filian to do something insanely retarded again.
>>79949772Not really. Filian's not as rich as people thinks she is. She was talking about it with Sayu during their collab.
>>79948590nta but shut up SEANigger
>>79949726Yeah, it wouldn't screenwrap, but it would take significantly more horizontal space which requires more effort on the part of the reader.>what do you mean more effortDon't pretend people here won't read "long" posts.
>>79950031>cutlol. lmao.Dude can ask for 100% of merch sale profit, get that shot down, and ask for 50% with it passing easily.
>>79949904Lol expecting fillian and her fans to read.
>>79949157Yeah, worst case scenario for Filian is that the artist goes full menhera and rather than accepting a payout he bans her from using the model all together
>>79949904It's literally in the terms of services of the model, you fucking moron.
>>79947431>let's just pay the artist with exposure that should be good enoughlol
>>79947431KarmaFilian is a scum
>>79950154>the grifter will finally have to start being a vtuber>worst case scenarioNo, making a character in a MMO and using that model larping as a "vtuber" does not make you a vtuber
>>79949968>All future revenuelol what future revenue? If it comes down to this she has the means to commission a unique design and will probably do exactly that so she doesn't have to pay him anything going forward.
>>79950105>not as rich as people thinks she is.come on anon. It's the oldest trick in the book to seem relatable and milk money. Many streamers used to say it too and then the Twitch leak happened showing how much they make.
>>79949748It's literally the same base model. Filian's just has edited white hair and different clothes.
Where is that lawyer youtuber? This is a gold mine for him
>>79949918Yes, and by pursuing this he's showing what a piece of shit he is. No one is buying Fulian merch because of the model, they're buying it because it's Filian. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.
I hope this means that Fillian needs to start selling pics of her ass.
>>79949382What are they gonna do? Backflip him to death?
>>79949748You can't call it legally distinct when it literally uses the same model as a base.
>>79947431
>>79950217this is what he was made for
>>79950193Fuck off sister, the adults are trying to talk here
>>79949986>artist sues>gets royalty agreement>gets ownership of merch>bans her from using his models>gets an extra settlement for wasting time with a retard
>>79950222Snacker, she doesn't own the model. It's not hers and it's never been hers.
Peak SEA hours.
>>79949945they have Nintendo of America and Nintendo of Europe (Treehouse) so maybe someone in SEA, South America, Middle East, Africa or Mexico can dodge them
>>79950154That would be a good outcome. The worst case scenario is he sues and likely wins. Filian is likely on the hook for 10s of thousands of dollars if her other merch wasn't cleared
>>79950206Not that much compared to Holo girls.
>>79950020Don't want to break her bank when you can squeeze her in future for more. Asking for too much will blow this up more and both can look bad at the end. I am thinking big, I would just rather not have alot eyes on me or her if I'm squeezing like 20 to 30% off her in merch
>>79950154>for FilianThat would actually be worst case for the artist. She can get a new model commissioned that close enough to the current free one, maybe even improve it. If he bans her from using it then he gets nothing.
>>79950203I don't think you understood my statement at allI'm explaining his options are>big money over time plus a lump sum now>let her keep using the model, give her limited merchandising rights>AKA "future revenue"or>be petty and ban her from all merchandising and model usage>take lump sum settlement>no future incomeLegally he can do either one. I'm saying he'd be retarded to do the second.I dunno why you guys are being so obtuse here
>>79950283>The worst case scenario is he sues and likely wins.What do you mean? That's the best case scenario.
>>79949542>Can't read spaced out statements for readabilityAnon did you do your summer reading assignment yet?
Meanwhile, me, tiny youtube content creator reading through pages of legalize to make sure I can use a specific font in my content.
>>79950217You really don't need one here. It's open and shut. If Filian broke the terms of use for the model, then she loses and the question then becomes how much will Filian have to pay?
This isn't turning into a lawsuit. She's just going to have to pay the creator, and she'll pay more than if she had asked before making merch.
>>79950307>if I simply stop breaking a contract, I no longer have to pay for the damages of previously broken contractHoly shit, you're a genius anon.
>>79950324>I dunno why you guys are being so obtuse hereYou're arguing with ESL seadogs
>>79948044just like their oshi,i mean they thought she was a millionaire because of fucking youtube shorts lmao
>>79950176did they just silently add that now lol
>>79947431Oh yeah it filian-y come. I knew the woman monetizing from that public model is very sus
>>79950085I really hope you’re trolling.
>>79950324And I don't think you understand how quickly Filian can tweet "I need an artist to commission a design" and get one and just have an entirely new design that Jingo had zero part in so she wouldn't have to pay him anything because he wouldn't be entitled to it. And that is exactly what she will do because this situation is bad enough, and it will not happen with a design she owns.
>>79950369Goodsmiles may just cancel the Nendo because she lied about owning the IP.
>>79950255Yeah this is probably the worst case for Filian.
>>79950417Oh you're a filian viewerThat explains a lotSorry I wasted my time
>>79947488She belongs to Mythic, chud
>>79950418Maybe, but she'd still be dumb to not buy the rights to use it for everything she wants. She'll want to sell merch in the future.
>>79948898Dont you know that anons get experience and knowledge about the subject at hand through sheer power of schizoprenia? There is always an "expert" at hand.
>>79948335>she's richsayu... she's not...
>>79950324The thing is that he seems to be unaware that she is doing this. This isnt the first merch she is trying to claim Fillian to be her own. If he finds out about the rest there will be war
>>79950417Yeah and you know what that means? All of her merch is off the market. And it also means that companies like goodsmile will NEVER work with her again
>>79950417Dude she's been hounded by fans to just commission her own model and people even volunteered to give her ones with full ownership and she never bothered to do it.
>>79950417Anon, let me lay this out as clear as possible for you: if she gets a brand new model tomorrow, she will still be at fault legally speaking and still have to pay some amount of money should it get to any kind of court (which it will if the artist desires) for all of the merch she's made up to this point, and if he makes a good enough argument in court he could even very well get something from her Twitch pockets too.
>>79950222Going after people who break the contract they made with you doesn't make you a pos, especially if they're more famous and richer than you.
>>79950217He won't touch it. Filian is part of the grifting "indie" cult that he rolls with. Instead of calling out actual legal issues in the vtuber industry like Filian stealing her model he will just create more stories nit picking everything NijiEN does.
>>79950472I'm fairly confident after this post >>79947431he will be informed of everything by people
>>79950443you can tell by how retarded they are lmao
>>79947431Look like the artist may accept a deal with enough money. Do it filipino boy, or your reputation ruined and your career will face lawsuit
>>79950418Nah the nendo is 100% getting canceled.
>>79950472He's known she was monetizing his model but this is the first one that actually got his attention since it's a very prominent brand and finally decided to cash in.
doki will save her
>>79950496I could understand her sticking to her guns, but unless she ACTUALLY bought the IP and Jingo is just spilling his spaghetti, she should’ve never made a single ounce of merch unless she had the rights in-hand.
I don't hate filian but she deserves to get her ass kicked here, hard. this is textbook large creator taking advantage of small artist's work without permission or compensation. the only reason she had gotten this far with it is because the artist is japanese and wasn't aware of how big she is, if she'd done this with an english artist's assets she'd have been forced to stop or pay them out years ago
>>79950567That's just heartbreaking desu. Filian was huge, but at the same time she fucked up and there's nothing anyone can really do about it at this point. It'd be entirely justified to lose a nendo deal of a model you don't actually own.
>>79950581>He's known she was monetizing his modelsource?
>>79950520>(which it will if the artist desires)It doesn't work like this. The artist is JP right? They have to bring her to court or they need to pay the JP government for her breaching your copyright. It's dumb I know.
>>79949374>tens of thousandsthats is chump change for filian needs to ask millions and future cut on all profits made by his model
>>79950627There is no proof. He is just assuming they signed a deal because "the artist didnt go after her before". And as we can see in the OP that is clearly not the case
>>79950581He knows she used it for vtubing, which follows his licensing rules. He didn't know she made merch with it.
>>79950668no no, let the snacker cook. dude's getting broiled alive but I wanna see what he's got
>>79950443Holy shit you fucking retard that doesn't mean that she would magically be out of a potential lawsuit. It means that the idea of "future merch" using the Rindo design will not happen. There is no "future income" to be gained here. She can still stream with Rindo because that's part of the agreement but if she wants to ever release merch again she's going to need a new design, and she can just not release any more until that new design is finished. Simple as that.
>>79950714Where will this lawsuit happen?
>>79947912Have you ever heard of intellectual property?
>>79950714>explain that they will settle out of court>HOLY SHIT SHE WONT GET OUT OF A LAWSUIT OYJKIJOGSNIKJNFGOh my god you're so stupid hahahahahaha
>>79950714Have you ever heard of a thing called "damages"?
>>79950714>Hello I am suing you for illegally using my properly>ok lol ill keep using your property to make moneyAnd you call others retardsYou are a literal 11 year old
>>79948689You just reminded me Legal Mindset will 100% make a video about this.
>>79947431Not the first time that one of these parasites has become rich with the work of others without giving anything in return.
>>79950581So he was waiting for her to become big enough and get a bunch of merch before making his move, smart.
>>79950615The artist deserves an apology and compensation. If they can settle that behind the scenes without legal action, then that's fine
>>79950766??? Nigga are you retarded.
I get why indies start with a cheap (or at least cheaper than a custom) models, but by the time you reach a point where you consider making and selling merch you should already have something that is legally distinct and yours. What the fuck was she even thinking?
>>79950781In his defense, Neuro was only meant to be a funny little thing for a week rather than a whole ass vtuber.
>>79950581He didn't know about the merch because Fil never worked with JP merch producers.
>>79950766Honestly, considering it's GSC, the nendo might still happen with the proceeds going to the artist instead, but probably won't.
>>79947999China.checkmate.
>>79950714So then what about the money she's making off of the merch thats buyable right now or buyable in the near future?
>>79950813Get the fuck off the internet child.
>>79950766The snackers aren't sending their best lmao. Is this the lowest IQ fanbase on /vt/
>>79950766NTA but it's laid out in the agreement when you buy Rindo. >>79948071 the model can be used for streaming. It's merch that's the issue, and what she's been doing.
>>79950115Cry about it you filthy yank. Maybe if you stop talking about someone suing someone over some mild inconvenience, i will stop ridiculing you.
>>79950726nta but there won't be a lawsuit and it's not for a legal reason. everybody is going to know about this by tomorrow, any professional artists aren't going to want to work with her unless she pays him whatever he's asking for because she did one of the worst things you can do to an artist and there's no guarantee she wouldn't do the same thing to them unless she makes it right on her own without a legal threatit's also way more annoying for both of them to do it in court so it makes sense to reach an agreement out of it unless she seriously lowballs him
>>79950863How is Filian's mandarine?
>>79947431The indies can literally never stop being retarded can they?
>>79950850Nice, she should get ready to put up a hefty back pay in that case. Hopefully a good rainfall for the artist.
She needs to go into hiding. I'm sure interpol is tracking her right now. They're going to raid her house and drag her into the ICC. She's so fucked.
>>79950908>any professional artists aren't going to want to work with her unless she pays him whatever he's asking forDrop the part after "unless" because western artists hold a grudge even if she does inevitably end up paying up, since she's been a vtuber for like 2 years now and making money off the model probably prior to that. To say nothing of her chibi model which is almost definitely the exact same scenario, along with any other models she's used.
>>79950951Downplay it all you want, but there is no excuse if she made merch without holding the rights to do so,
>>79947431>Doesn't even credit her mamaShe's 100% fucked if Jingo sues herHe's gonna leech the Asmongold money well dry
>>79947488How are indie lovers so dumb?
>>79950850Wrong, check JP archives. He's known but it was never anything big enough for him to care.
>>79950894And you think that gives you the right to still be able to use the model if you break the terms... how exactly?
>>79950900Someone using your design to make a lot of money without permission is not a "mild inconvenience". Or to put it in SEA monkey man terms, if you were this artist, Filian is making bank off of it without your permission. If you settle/sue her, you will make life changing money and can get out of your mud hut. And she can still make money. It's a win-win.
>>79950968yeah that could also end up being the case. I do see people forgiving her because she essentially lived up to her marketed personality flaw, I wouldn't personally but in general this is less of a perma-cancel situation and more of a "make it right and don't ever fuck up again you lazy dipshit"
>>79950812there's an easy out where everyone gets what they want and can leave happy. hope she does the right thing but it'd be funny if she tries to jerk the artist around and tries to cancel them by using her fans. leading to the end of her vtuber career
>>79950908>any professional artists aren't going to want to work with herShe fully supports AI and said artists are snowflakes so she is hated by art community regardless. This changes nothing.
>>79950989Just link me the post retard.
>>79947431The funny thing about this is that Filian fucking knew it was gonna bite her in the ass eventually, she’s talked about it multiple times on stream how she needs to get a new model before she starts releasing merch to the point where it became a bit on her streams that she was gonna get a new model.
>>79949287>>79949441https://x.com/jingo_1016/status/1809101855655670159Artist was apparrently unaware of it being uses commercially. He didn't even get contacted by Good Smile.
You know why Disney and other large companies sue anyone who infringes on their IP? Because you have to or you give up rights. If the dude knew and didn't bother his case is much weaker. He's just going to get paid and it'll be over.
>actual unironic children coming here defending fillianWhat the fuck happened to 4chan?
>>79951012>lil filHey, so wanna hear a funny joke?That's a Komado model. Different artist, same exact rules.
>>79951012Not your personal army
>>79949786It's perfectly reasonable at this stage to sue for their share of the profits at this stage, and it'd be a pretty penny too, so it's not exactly unlikely for her to get taken to court over this if she tries weaseling out.
>>79948514both
I hope this guy is going menhera, because holy shit this will be the fuck up of the century.
>>79951027Why are you yanks so lacking in regard to reading comprehension? Reads slowly faggot
Interesting...
>>799511152016
>>79951138>Reads slowly faggotOh the irony
>>79951117That's funny because she's also done other lil fil merch. I assumed that one wasn't Jingo but never bothered confirming but if that artist has the same terms.
>>79951012>>79951117>filian infringed on>TWO>SEPERATE>ARTISTS>BASIC>RULESfucking KEK
>>79950615>>79948368These things get settled privately.Unless Jingo is a spiteful person and hates money, the most likely outcome is:1. He gets some bulk cash settlement for the past use of his work in merchandise sales.2. He gets a cut of the nendo sales.3. Filian gets a new model and design, prior to releasing any future merch.>>79951084>Because you have to or you give up rights.That is true in the US in trademark law, specifically.That is not true in all jurisdictions and with all forms of IP licensing.
>>79951045shit, does she? I said I didn't hate her up there but now I do with that knowledge, supporting genAI art in the mainstream is ethically worse than supporting NFTs >>79951144he better fucking cover this, normally he avoids indie spats and drama but it's usually because there's two sides to a story and that aint the case here
>>79951138Outline that “mild inconvenience” then, anon.
>>79951084This only applies to trademark in the US
>>79951165Same terms. https://booth.pm/en/items/2258111https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WzWx-gw3I1KKIALZnIWY9dh6IDKSzK6l/view
>>79951173>These things get settled privately.They don't in JP. That's not how JP law works you fucking retard.
>>79947431yikes....
I think filian really was high all the time to be this fucking retarded KEK
>>79947431Alright, hear me out. There is no way the artist didn't know that one of the biggest EN VTubers with tens of thousands of viewers is using her model. Surely someone would have told them at some point. Filian has made merch before so SURELY this would have come up ages ago.What if the artist just sat by and kinda just let this happen? Let them make merch revenue that's probably in the millions by now and pretend like you don't know about it. And then, pretend to "notice" at the perfect time. And what time could be better than right after the big Nendoroid announcement? Now you have them exactly where you want them. They made a ton of money from your IP and if they don't settle with you FAST, you can easily turn this into a PR disaster for them. So at this point, the artist could ask for pretty much any cut or lump sum and Filian would have no choice but to agree to it.
>>79951236lmfao
>>79951192>indieShes signed with Mythic you fucking retard.Nothing will come from this aside from a settlement between the lawyers and the artist.
>>79951236Hahaha fucking hell
>>79951236LMAO
>>79951173>Unless Jingo is a spiteful person and hates moneyMaybe? you know how menhera these artist types can get
>>79951012>>79951117>Two (2) separate artistsHoly fucking kek
>>79951218Nta, but a lawsuit for this case would take place in the US. JP law doesn't matter. Only the fact that US acknowledges Japanese citizen's copyright applies. JP law doesn't to Filian.
>>79951236Oh god
>>79951192>does she?yes she has AI art tag and everything. You would be surprised but a decent amount of indies are pro AI.
>>79951236I'm waiting for some legal fag because if that means what I think it means she has to pay for all the retards making fan merch on top of official merch. Insane.
>>79951162You are clearly still missing the point. 0/10 see me after class.>>79951194Mild inconvenience because this is the kind of shit that is going to be solved behind the scene without the need of lawyer suing someone ass
And the year is just barely halfway done.
>>79951236That's not good. lol
>>79950781Do we have Neuro merch?
>>79951236FILIAN YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARDED BITCH WHAT THE FUCK HAHAHAHA
>>79951012>>79951117TWO??????????????Holy fuck I'm starting to believe she actually is a cokefiend.
>>79951290Jp law does to the artist. If he doesn't sue he has to pay JP government.
>>79951236Hopefully she gets a good life lesson from this.
>>79951018NTA but the terms only matter based on what you agree on. In theory, if filian can pay enough to force the dude to agree to whatever terms, then those are the new terms.Regardless, this will not go to court and will end with a settlement. The nendo deal is likely gone, but it might still go through with enough money.
>>79951260mythic is a talent agency, not a corp. every vtuber on their site is considered an indie both on this board and everywhere else
>>79951236oh god, that hadn't even occurred to me
>>79951246>There is no way the artist didn't know that one of the biggest EN VTubers with tens of thousands of viewers is using her modelYou'd be surprised, unless you actively follow someone you wouldn't know what shit they're up to. It make sense for that faggot to find out only when hypercasual stuff like Goodsmile starts pumping out merch.
>>79951077>I was living under a rock and didn't know my model was popular but now that I do know I want my cut of that dosh babyDeath to artists.
>>79951117Wow.. She fucked up https://komado.booth.pm/items/2258111
>>79951334yeah lots, but with the "new" model Anny made, Vedal is NOT that retarded
>>79948071Well I'll be damned, Filian is screwed on this front lmaoHope they come to an actual legal agreement with the model creator amd not make it into a drawn out legal battle over the rights over a JPEG
>>79951236oh fuck i remember thisshe's donezo
>>79951246Language barrier + site barrier + approval to stream with the model means he has a pretty good case for not knowing.
>>79951416new model debut soon!
>>79951413it's an fbx
>>79951404Neuro is fine thenFilian is fucked tho
>>79951398why exactly is this unreasonable?
>>79951398It was Filian's duty to contact the guy about it though.
>>79951398anon, this is Japan. they're their own kind of retarded,
>>79951246Consider: japanese internet being in its own bubble, separate from rest of the world. Things like cat memes go viral years after it was funny elsewhere. Entirely possible he really did not realize what was going on.
>>79951367I don't know the intricacies of Japanese law. But if he wants to do something to Filian, it would be under US law that would be applied to her. And you are allowed to settle in the US. But I guess if he has to sue for whatever JP nonsense, he may not accept a settlement.
>>79951398You are extremely retarded. Filian.
>>79951236what greed and laziness does to a person
>>79951236Holy shit she doesn't even own the model
>>79951399HOLY FUCK KEK
>>79951398You are very naive.
>>79951398Should probably be looking for a lawyer instead of posting on here Filian.
>>79951398>I broke the terms of a contract but it's the other parties fault!Anyways would you like to buy a used car? I've got a great deal for you.
>>79951236why are flips so retarded bros...
>>79951380>on this boarddo you not understand how agency backing works or their scale? Fillian has a dozen lawyers behind her for this.
>>79951462Don't sign your posts.
>>79951398WEEE WEEE I DON'T WANT TO PAY WEE WEE
>>79951312A lot of indies and small corpos don’t have enough fan artists so they promote AI. Kawaii supported AI for the longest time because they weren’t getting enough fan art.
>>79951236This one's interesting. I suppose it might technically be okay because most artists are okay with fanworks, it's the person using the model and deals they make with other companies they would take issues with.This does however make Filian look very very bad in the artist's eyes lmao
>>79951236Oh god I like Filian but I can't even with this.God damn.
>>79948071That's very lenient of that artist man. Why she has to push him that way?
>>79951506
>>79951500A guideline picture isn't a legally binding document.
>>79951236Uh oh
>>79951560Are you certain about that?
>>79951236I mean, teeeeeeeeeechnically this one is debatable, since she's not making the merch and there's no rules saying fans cant make stuff with your Rindo model. But it's definitely not going to help her case.
>>79951447It's not unreasonable just like any other scam scheme.
>>79951560Weakest cope ITT.
>>79951236HOLY SHIT
>>79951398>I don't have cameras in every inch of my house so that means I deserved to get robbed
>>79951560https://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/berne/summary_berne.htmlAre you sure about that?
>>79951398>artist suppose to stalk more than a thousand people that bought his model
>>79951236holy shit that can't be fucking real
>>79951560Go try and sell merch of Marine or Gura while claiming those are your own creationsKeep us updated on how that goes
>>79951236ohhhhh FUCK
>>79951560Oh wow you're actually retardedI'm guessing you've never tried to commission a vtuber model beforeALL OF THEM are like that, almost identical, evenBy your logic every vtuber is free game
>>79951560Yes, because it's not. The license agreement which it is a summary of, as it says at the top of the first page, however, is.
>>79948456>This isn't her first timeDamn dumb woman
>>79951516why the fuck do you think lawyers will help her do anything other than make sure that everything is documented correctly and if it goes to court, is handled correctlyshe is 100% in the wrong and it's not a complex situation, the artist had very clear usage rules and she broke them repeatedly for years. the outcome will be that she pays whatever the artist demands, if it hits seven figures then she might fight but she would lose a court case no question
>>79951560If money is exchanged for the rights to something, then generally speaking you're engaging in a contract.
>>79951455Filian is basically unknown in Japan until last month
>>79951560Not that anon, and you raise a valid point.However, it goes both ways.If the loose agreement is not valid, then the entire thing might be ruled invalid, i.e. she has no formal rights to use it for streaming, and the artist can demand she cease using it in addition to pursuing her for merch.So it goes both ways.Either she is screwed because the usage guidelines are valid, and she violated them.Or she they are not valid, and she was never granted a true license to use Jingo's work in any form, and she is still screwed.
>>79951537The term of use prohibits that, though.
>>79951673what caused this?
>>79951455It was funny seeing the Japanese find out that Abe is a meme in the west months after he got killed.
>>79951583At best it shows her off as unknowing of the license the model is bound by. At worst it shows her off as malicious, i.e. she knows but does not give a fuck.
>>79951236I have no idea why this tweet is such a big deal, but I'm reacting with shock nonetheless.
>>79948514Mythic can throw her under the bus with the reason she hid information from them
>>79951683Foiled by my own minor typo:>Or she they are not valid, and she...*Of the usage guidelines are not valid, and she...
>>79951560>what is a lease
>Creator>Filianlol
>>79951693probably the nendo and the artist
>>79948689Wrong, Selen is protected by Canada's law
>>79951720Basically>I don't legally own this thing>but you can do whatever you want with it, you have my permission
>>79951765Oh god, it’s like waking up into a nightmare
>>79951720She give people the right to make money through merch of a model she doesn't own.
>>79948071You gotta pay the man royalty.
>>79951720imagine a fan who made fanart of marine told other fans that they could sell marine art because they own marine's ip
>>79951560Oral contacts are a thing. And they are legally binding
>>79951720Thats like saying you can go ahead and make anything you want with Mario I own it (you are a random nobody on twitter0
I'm going to cry. Cry and laugh my sides off. Two different artists, man, I'm surprised it's only blowing up now.
>>79951765seriously how did filian not see this coming
>>79951583>>79951537If she doesn't have sales permissions she can't grant others sales permissions. It'd be a reach to sue all the people making the little con merch stuff but tacking that on to her would still harm her case if it goes to court.
>>79951720She is misrepresenting her ownership of the work in a manner that induces other parties to violate Jingo's IP rights. If Jingo went after the makers of that 3rd party merch as well, and they could prove they really believed that Filian owned the IP and had granted them permission, the liability could pass on to her. So she could be screwed because of a bunch of merch that OTHER people made and she never saw any money from in the first place.
>>79947431She’s going to fly over to Japan and prostitute herself to him to beg him to be lenient and let her off with a small settlement instead of taking everything.
>>79951813(me)Hit submit by mistakeIf spoken words can be legally binding then so can a picture
>>79951826I sincerely hope the second artist learns about this soon too.
>>79951683It's not a loose agreement anon, the guidelines document is a for dummies version of the license agreement, which is an actual legal document.
>>79951802OOF
>>79951765$169???
>>79951246He knows people use his models for vtubing, that's why in the license you're allowed to use them for monetization. It's the merch that's illegal, and that's hard to police especially when you're overseas
>>79951839she strikes me as the kind of person who never takes precautions or thinks ahead and just does something until it stops working for her
>>79951579>>79951603>>79951631Okay, see this picture? You owe me a blowjob now. Get to it.
>>79951194>>79951330After seeing this >>79951236Maybe i was wrong for calling it "mild".
>>79951720Based
>>79951897Well, hey, it USED to be $250, so that’s a steal!
She should have taken the hint when gosegu change her model.
>>79951720She basically saying the model she's using is her OC donut steel (it's not hers)
>>79951888>It's not a loose agreement anon, the guidelines document is a for dummies version of the license agreement, which is an actual legal document.Good to know there is an actual license terms, and I expected as much. Just to be clear: I was not claiming otherwise. I was responding to >>79951560's hypo that the picture was all there was, and explaining that even if that were the case, Filian is still hosed.
Okay on the scale of 1 to VERY, how fucked is she?
>>79951920fil is in the big leagues the >until it stops working for hercan make you go from riches to the gutter
>>79951826She used 2 models? What is the 2nd one?
>>79951991Dont know the scale but what is certain is that Fillian as she is right now will cease to exist
>>79950815Making her own model would require creativity and effortWhy bother when she can just coast on Rindo
>>79952003see >>79951117
>>79951991VERY
>>79951991Depends on how much of a fucking schizo the artist really is.
It's probably not applicable here but wasn't there an online vr models storefront a couple years back that was forbidding non-jp from using anything on it? I'm pretty sure it was some store really similar to booth..
>>79951991Career ending.
>>79951991so fucked that everybody is absolutely shocked that this happened because the consequences of not getting permission are that fucking bad
>>79951991Unless mercy is shown or this is all just a huge misunderstanding, she’d better be prepared to poledance with Mel on CB.
>>79951991Depends how much the artist wants. It's unlikely to end her career considering her audience, but out of all the things twitter's tried to cancel her for, this might actually stick and hurt her.
>>79948997>Slave labor from billion of people>Steal intellectual properties>Dangerous housing bubble to boost gdpThey are slowly crumbling down because the great leader refuse to break that bubble, which will cause an economy crisis to save his face
>>79951991She is definitely in the wrong.Comical levels of "in the wrong".She is as fucked as Jingo wants her to be.
>>79951312>>79951192Iirc she said she made that tag so AIslop wouldn't mix with other artists
>>79951991It's up to the artist(s) to pursue it. If they do and she doesn't settle or handle this properly she can get pretty fucked. But if she's smart she'll cut the artists in on the merch (probably need to do some compensation if she's done merch in the past) and then get an original model to avoid this in the future.
>>79951991Entirely in Jingo's hands how fucked she is. What IS fucked is the current incarnation of Filian. Expect her to finally stop being a retard and actually commission a new model so that she owns it in its entirety
>>799519918 before we found out about the merch tweet and 12 after we found out about the second artist.
>>79951012Why was this deleted?
>>79951991At first one artist would've been manageable but TWO(2)?!?! And then saying others can make merch of those ips without possibly owning them? Yeah. She's fucked but it depends on the two artist
>>79951991If we were to use trumpets this would be a 7th.
>>79949273Break it because of a vtuber? Cool story bro
>>79951991Apparently there's clips of her knowing she didn't have IP rights to her model and she still did this. So she's as fucked as the artist wants her to be.
>>79951991Depends on some things.>How menhera/greedy is the artist? Would they simply take a lump sum?>If so, how much do they want?>Now, does Filian actually have that much?I personally am skeptical she hasn't wasted tons of cash to the point she might not have enough to appease him.
>>79952118probably because it was a call to action (tweet this at a specific person).
>>79952118Probably because of this anon >>79951119 framing it as using 4chan as an army when people are posting this stuff at Jingo now.
>>79951991She's as fucked as the slimy Japanese lawyer with dollar signs in his eyes wants her to be. Expect some ridiculous demands to be made and cuts to be announced. Any lawyer would drool at the thought of such clear cut case that comes with compensation
>>79952118call for raid
>>79949382Women. Think they can get away with everything (they can't)
>>79951991Completely depends on how much the artist wants and what. There's a few ways this can play out>sticks with the model and ignores artist (very very very very very retarded but in line with her)>sticks with model and gives artist a flat sum (unlikely given he'll quickly realize how much money she made and demand--)>sticks with model and gives artist a cut of all merch sales>sticks with model and renegotiates license agreement (a jap going public with this means that he's FUCKING PISSED)>makes a new model and keeps merch going (second worst idea)>makes a new model and immediately stops all merch
>>79951669>she is 100% in the wrong and it's not a complex situationI do and she'll settle out of court and retain full rights.
>>79951991Model change likely will need to happen, she's gonna have to pay up a likely sizeable penalty. If the artist goes nuclear and goes after YouTooz or whatever they're called, they in turn will likely go after Filian for damages. A decent amount of companies will probably refuse any future work with her. The silver lining, if there is one is, depending on how she plays things her viewers and the tourists that'll flock in for the drama might side with her or at least sympathize with her. If she plays it smart she might be able to sell "help me pay for my legal fees" merch to somewhat offset the penalties, but she's 100% eating a loss if the artist wants to take a bite out of her.
>>79952160This might actually be better for the artist. It's more profitable to get her on the hook to pay the money for a longer period of time because then he can demand that she keep using the model on future merch and more even more money.
JOE BIDEN TASUKETEE THE JAPANESE ARE GOING AFTER ME>*flips*
>>79952160>>79952185the artist and whoever legally defends him aren't the slimy ones here, she's made potentially hundreds of thousands off of merch she explicitly wasn't legally allowed to make
>>79949382>her fanbase will destroy him if he tries anythingLawyers don't care.
>>79952226*asset flips*
>>79952215>might side with her Impossible>or at least sympathize with herMaybe. I just can't see how can anyone think the artist is in the wrong.
>>79952220How would someone demand that and why would she comply with that? The most likely scenario remains as what other anons have said. Rindo Filian is dead.
>>79952265kek
>>79952141yikes
I'm not trying to defend her or anything, but I still find it funny that the artist did not give a single shit about it for MONTHS until he heard about the nendo. Fucking sheltered Japs.
>>79948514FilianAsmongold can't do anything wrong
>>79952220Well yeah, he could>Demand a shitload of money (and nothing else), give her full sales perms>Demand a shitload of money AND percentages of future sales (She'll just get a new model in this case)>Demand only a future cut and drop the lump sumFrom all the incredibly stupid shit she's done here the world is his oyster, he could go for anything she agrees to and more if she tries to fight him over it.
>>79948071Filian is fucked. No one needs to think too hard about it she just never bothered reading the user manual / or even considered she should check her fucking contract about her own model.
>>79952281Because if she can't pay the settlement decided by the court she has to go into negotiations.
>>79952303To be fair. Is YouTooz a thing in Japan?
>>79949443US fear Japan, not the other around. Once the US move the troops out of their land they will make nuclear icmb and the US can't shackle nihonjin again
>>79952303Just some good ol’ Jap isolationism.
>>79947488Designs are under copyright. Fillian is a derivative work of the Rindo Avatar and the license of the model itself states that tangible goods (merch) needs permission from the author.
>>79952329Or she knew and decided to just push her luck to save on money.
>>79952303He literally couldn't have known until last month>B-but fillian is the biggest vtuber in the world!!!Nobody knows who Fillian or Ironmouse are in japan no matter how much you shill them on /vt/
>>79952303>why didn't the jap know about these american brands?Dunno anon, why don't you know about Weckledorfs Authentic German Sosig's?
>>79952303I mean yeah. If you don't know someone is doing something wrong, that's because you don't know. Filian's basically nonexistent there. He may have heard about her as someone using his model, but he wouldn't care about that because Filian has the rights to stream with that model. It's merch that he wold need to know about
>>79952356Anon, they’d get nuked overnight if they even tried to produce fissile once.
>>79949772Unfortunately, she's too dumb to do that effectively
>>79952329>even considered she should check her fucking contract about her own model.she has talked about that she needs to get a new model just because of this stuff, she did this knowingly and maliciously
Can't wait for AI models to become a thing.
>>79952303I'd suspect he was lawyering up before this and doing the thing that all lawyers are telling their clients to do - stfu on all social media without if it's not meant to be an official announcement vetted by said lawyer
>>79952303Can you name any of the big Jap indies? It's hard unless they're attached to Hololive. Similar thing.
>>79952269Eh, most retards don't know the artist is some small time fag and might think this is a david and goliath situation in her favor. If she does the song and dance right she might get people to go>poor girl she just made an itsy bitsy teeny tiny mistake and she's being fucked for itI wouldn't underestimate the ability of tourists to overlook glaringly incorrect actions
>>79952415Possibly not maliciously, but certainly aggressively negligent.
>>79951398I say this as someone who likes Filian, you're retarded. Copyright, or basically property needs to be sorted properly. This is the same reason you can't pirate Dark Souls PTDE and sell it.Keyword: SELL
>>79949904But flipwoman and her fan just can't read
>>79952441Doesn't help that Filian has a huge audience of young viewers because of her content
>>79951413I'd prefer it be a legal battle. Funnier.
>>79952415So she'll be scrubbing her channel of any vods or clips were she states this.
>>79951398she should have commissioned her own shit honestly. that usability contract is very flexible and if she was self aware of its terms of use, makes her a huge money greedy bitch. but yeah the model making it to Good Smile Company is a huge deal.
>>79952385ironmouse commissions over a hundred thousand dollars a year in models alone, filian is roughly the same CCV as her. that's not saving money it's just being an exploitative miser
>>79951321Legal fag here, this would just be bundled in with damages. The amount for that would be left up to the judge if an amount could not be agreed upon by both parties.
>>79952303It's called a language barrier anon. I understand that you believe English is the center of the world and everyone has to know everything going on with it, but the language barrier is bigger than any language to begin with.
>>79951246No one in Japan or Korea knew about random ass twitch EN vtuber named fillian
>>79947431Filianfags are retarded...
>>79952269>I just can't see how can anyone think the artist is in the wrong.Simp is a powerful creature and AIbros hate artists so they will support her because she supports AI art revolution.
>>79952513The word is grifter
>>79952415You better dig up the proof ASAP.
>>79952534>her trademarkDear lord, my eyes
>>79952498If they have already contacted her about possible litigation, she shouldn't be scrubbing anything, because when that comes out it makes things worse.
>>79952441>>79952540Yeah but the issue here is her not reading the guide lines. It's literally undefendable.
>>79952534I thought that one fag defending Filian ITT was just larping as a fan...
>>79952534These kids are going to learn a hard lesson about reality. Things don't magically work out in favor of your favorites just because you want them to.
>>79951560And Hazard signs are mere decorations. You are seriously retarded.
>>79952574as Goldblum once said life finds a way
>>79951693some japs who knows english have been slowly translating en chuuba clips for the rest
>>79952534dear fucking god why is everyone retarded
>>79952534>pedo defending fillianLMAO
>>79952534Not taking any actions to protect your trademark at least in the US might be a grounds for you to lose the trademark.
>>79951991VERY. Expect to quite possibly and unironically see her in Nijisanji within the year.
>>79952265Good one anon
>>79952534This is like saying that one ugandan knuckles streamer owns the knuckles IP because he used that avatar for years.
>>79952441Well yeah, the indies and their audience take a child's view of everything>Dah big bad corpos have RULEZ and LAWZ and stuff!>Not like our indies! They can do whatever they want to forever for free! >>79947488They always pretend they can do no wrong and it's just everyone else being mean to them all the time whenever they fuck up. The only issue for them here is judges don't care.
>>79948071KWAB
>>79952653She's probably fucked but not THAT fucked anon.
>>79952567She's already fucked up, what makes you think she'll start acting rationally all of a sudden?
>>79951849This sums it up. It's so over for Fillian (negotiation wise) I hope they give the guy a saucy settlement and hopefully in the process buy the model outright.
>>79952648>pedo>18 year old adultsJust go back to twitter and stay there.
>>79952303She barely even gets threads here, why would a jap know her? They don’t even know why nijiEN is dying.
>>79949930He had some troubles with his merch and design artist too
>>79951991Her asshole will be completely demolished by my cock.
>>79952648kill yourself you retarded subhuman
>>79952724What about artist autism about "I've created this model for everyone" and "I don't approve of the way you use my model"
>>79950227ok I laughed best response so far
>>79952707I didn't say that I believe she wouldn't.I only said that she shouldn't.
>>79952779Except he does that you just have to go to him for merchandise, which she didnt. And she claims to be the owner, which she isnt.Hope you finally read a single post since you skipped 550 replies
>>79950417The merch have been sold and it still illegal
>>79950581source out your ass. you can hypothetically say its true but prove he has English speaking reps or a JP post of his
>>79952779read, nigga, read>>79948071
>>79952648>18 years old is an adult but it's too close to 17 which means you're a pedo>19 years old is an adult but that's too close to 18 which is too close to 17 which means you're a pedo>20 years old is an adult but-...It has to end somewhere anon.
>>79952619What legal power does the hazard sign hold?
>>79950615True. Those faggots who want to bully the small artist are retards
>>799527791.- It's not for "everyone", it has to be bought first.2.- If you think that's how things work, then mod a videogame you bought and resell it as your own... Even if you bought it, you don't have the rights to sell it as your IP. Buying stuff includes legal agreements always.
>>79952891If you're attracted to a woman younger than 32, you're a fucking pedophile and deserve to be locked up for eternity.
>>79952779Read the license agreement you faggot.
>>79950627His ass obviously
>>79952935Good thing I'm a hag lover.
So do you guys think she actually has the money to pay him out or nah?
>>79952935Guess every boy going through puberty will spend the rest of his life in jail then.
>>79952891STOP TOUCHING HER. YOU ARE NOT THE SAME AGE. DO NOT TOUCH HER.
Meanwhile Doki's artist
>>79952935You jest, but the coven of undesirables probably want that to be true.
>>79950989fuck off. due diligence is required when you are being serious here to back up what you say. the worst fans have been sisters for being hypocritical goal post pushers yet somehow snackers are looking stupider than them.
>>79952935Based hagchad
>>79952972she has 2 gorillion subs why can't she
>>79953001they should really get that checked out
>>79952303Filian is a literal who in Japan, and unless you’re really into western YT shorts about a girl who flips in VRC then you’ll never see her content on YT.
>>79952972I hope she doesn't. I want her to flip on my cock for money.
>>79953001>BTFOS NIJIKEKS>BTFOS INDIE SHARTSSHE CANT KEEP WINNING
>>79953001Because doki has been a champion for artists from the startShe paid artists out of pocket when niji stiffed themShe has friends go through artist alleys to give money to people selling merch of herGonna be weird if she collabs with Filian again though
>>79953038She's stated she doesn't have the money people think she does>Her fans thought she was a millionaire for some reasonand she spends it on stupid shit a lot to my knowledge.
>>79951117come the fuck on Filian. When you were getting huge you should have realized there would be a day like this.
>>79948845Almost certainly an issue of too many cooks where everyone involved assumes that someone else already got permission
>>79953072SHES JEBBING RIGHT NOWJEEEEEEEEEEEEEEB
>>79952648>Americans unironically believe finding 18 year olds attractive is pedophilia
>>79948514No one, they will settle it properly, atleast I hope so.
>>79953084Short views and short subs doesn't bring in the money, what a shocker. Hence why she needed the merch.
>>79951117Jesas
>>79953126Twitter retards speak for no one but their fellow mutants.
>>79953126Wait until you hear the height of consent (about 5'2) and weight of consent (about 120)
>Paying ~1000$ for a original model that you will have full rights to and make full money off all and any merch that might come off itnah>Paying 15$ to recolor a already existing VRchat model, try to claim it as your own and sell merch of itHELL YEAH!
>>79952891
>>79953126Only the retarded twitter fags and ugly/old women.
>>79953001>Queen of Artists vs AI Queen
>>79953177>most of asian women are under the weight of consentpedo continent
>>79953126age gaps being problematic is the new trend among twitterniggers
>>79953177The fuck are they practicing eugenic?
>>79953199Even worse, she could have just contacted the creator and negotiated with him. It's right there in the agreement that that's an option, and even if it wasn't she still could.
>>79953227based
>>79953001same story for mouse's
>>79953227truly the land of uoh
>>79953177say you are joking
>>79953001Doki always pays her artist well, they love her
>>79952968You may be a hag lover but much of these women are not hagsThey are furies
