Goodnight Edition>What is /warkop/ about?A place to unite and talk in-depth about Indonesian VTubers in general. We also talk about the Indonesian VTuber market and their happenings behind-the-scenes, whether it be rrats, numbers, demographics, auditions, debuts, graduations, etc.>Useful Linkshttps://schedule.nasgorest.my.idhttps://vtuber.asiahttps://pvc.moe>Songs Playlist>Originalhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYEx1V3dXHVu4rjFNrfxIB_LDfsVPaL-x>Coverhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYEx1V3dXHVv-Z91qV4N8tkvgtmjih09_https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYEx1V3dXHVtLso4wCLg5gnU7sz1BMhf2https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYEx1V3dXHVthbz39xGj5Idl1PxuFZxHlhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYEx1V3dXHVtDWQ7ttCmr-Gx6L1a4aD-Q>Divegrass (Football) Teamhttps://implyingrigged.info/wiki//warkop/Previous Thread>>92202648
Last bread of the year despite the overall somber mood in the air. Hopefully next year will be better for all. Anyway, the news!
>>92460637It's time for another end of the month AKA show! This time it's also the end of year, and it will be hosted by Gin and Mika.https://x.com/AKAVirtualOnAir/status/1872145027654455416It will be premiering on December 30th at 4:00 p.m. WIB, and you can check their waiting room here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEMNSabHLM0
>>92460637Just 3 more days until Renita's merch PO is closed.https://x.com/MarybelleRenita/status/1872973480708456798If you haven't pre-ordered, go to the following form to do so:https://forms.gle/ey6xoS74bpwSgQTh9
>>92460637Mihiro Kamigawa from Yorukaze is teasing something for January 2ndhttps://x.com/mihirokamigawa/status/1872920924661428233
>>92460637Noa Florastra fro Dexter will be debuting on January 4th at 8:00 p.m.https://x.com/NoaFlorastra/status/1872523975458521567In the meantime, there is no waiting room, but you can check his channel in the following link:https://www.youtube.com/@noaflorastra/You can also send something to be read in his debut stream in this form:https://forms.gle/g6LrkSHZ31M3vV61A
>>92460637Liu Verdea will be opening a pre-order for her second book of light novel series, Below the Matrix.https://x.com/ultimateliv/status/1872501302741414082her previous book from the same series can be purchased here:https://www.tokopedia.com/ultimatumofmatrix/buku-pertama-novel-below-the-matrix-asher-arl-neveille-soft-cover-seri-i-f5d4e
That's it for now! Have a nice end of the year holiday
Awanama! We're around a week away from our preseason tourney!https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vt/_League_Unity_Cup_2The finalized schedule for our match vs /skynetFC/ will be on:>01.20 WIB, Saturday, 4th January 2025Please join us on what will be the last hurrah for our graduating players such as>Groomed Child (Sena)>The OG Goat (Alia)and maybe even Deisex depending on her announcement?? It might be only a preseason tourney, but hey, at least this time there's a silverware we can fight for, so hop in, join the hyp, and support your timnas /warkop/!/WARKOP/ JAYA!
>>92462228Thank you as usual, Timnas-chama! I'll include the match schedule in the next bake
Allyn Morning Talkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh1fo_9_MHkMaya Harvest Moonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyMBh-W3G7UNon Dira Bloons TD6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGTYCmpJ4UsSelia review TikTokhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rqTgsU_lf8Mira Robloxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qF6Vn5WHscAura-Loi TFThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvyc5jhtSr0
>>92462228>2 players are leaving and potentially, the Gold player may follow suitGRIM.Let's start rumors about who will replace them, just like in the real divegrass.
Souta MiSidehttps://youtu.be/n6EDan3ONhoAloisa-Aura TFThttps://youtu.be/qvyc5jhtSr0
>>92460637Deidey will announce something on 31st December at 20:00 WIB.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymIiGkv-amIYesterday, she made this tweet.https://x.com/deidey16_/status/1872809691870577076
>>92464651I nominate the blue brat that's making her presence in the last couple bread
Alicia Freetalkhttps://youtu.be/dTizf1LOI_A
>>92460637Ibam Ishida plans to do his debut concert called "Love Yourself" tonight at 7pmhttps://youtu.be/Dudzf4p6efUHe's also doing a tshirt giveaway along with some femchuubas on the link belowhttps://x.com/ibam_ishida/status/1870030447641801063
>>92467141Oh, this is that ex-corpo talent. Genuinely surprised that he's still around
>>92465354Uci? Nice idea. But... Uh...It's from her L2D model display on the artist' BOOTH.
>>92467347Just find random long haired 3D loli model, and paint it blue. It doesn't have to be based on her resemblance, but name her like 'Store-bought Child' or something
>>92467480>"Groomed Child" replaced by "Store-bought Child"
Gema Anomali Palworldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9we03r0DJuQAve Anomali Palworldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSNH9vz2nwcPira Ringfithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4AL5lm__3w
Aya Gabuthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30M3FCiJvYYAve Palworldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSNH9vz2nwcArushi Freetalkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yf7OeElJDcGema Palworldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9we03r0DJuQAlona Palworldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrUhDhnab7YVera MLhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrOF8tMN768
>>92460637PrismNova has started PrisMas to mark the end of 2024, yesterday their 2nd gen had held their gameshow there and tonight their 1st gen senpais will do form reading on the link belowhttps://youtu.be/V7tuwnwZThkThey're also releasing a VP for the New Year's on the link belowhttps://x.com/PrismNOVA/status/1872522806853857461
Shayla ETS2https://youtu.be/0SZ3nGwhjEs
>>92464651Petition to reinstate Andi as player, but change his name into 'Hakim Jalanan'
Yolanda Breath of Fire IVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wWnGsh7VBkAra-Natasha Ask dr. Dinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOh87nkWBbg
Puip Infinity Nikkihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSIKNYZwZqM
Maru Donathonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkHaodbjrCwRini Chained Togetherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WmFLvnZBjA
Tanya MLhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_E_7DvZwzUo
https://twitter.com/WysteriaGhani/status/1872915147687362749kek. another sexpest with main character syndrome. lumayan kalo bentuknya koko chindo klinis, ini kayak kodok zuma lv100
Seems like this chuuba is trying to embarrass ID in front of the JPs? https://x.com/stellaastel/status/1873304632690348149
>>92476483is this the one that says he is a nuclear engineering doctor ?
Tabi Amboksinghttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qj9CdDPhirM
>>92476945Yep. Also it's the same case with the one reported here >>92394010
Cia Pengantin Iblishttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-qCmsoJnbnw
>>92476483anyone who believe his story deserves to be scammed. there's no universe where Kobo acknowledge any male IDchuba.
>>92477291ummm, monkey?
>>92477291Brb, gonna call papa Tencent to hook Kobo with Kurohiko for a HOK koleb next year
>>92477328who
>>92477328she does because Ollie can't shut up about that leech
>>92477347you got zombie and Iofi next year
>>92477559Wait, does zoombie play HOK? I know Yopi does and hopefully HOK grants her some spotlight as well next year but.. Zoombie? HOK? Fr?
>>92476483>>92476590drama mulu kek
>>92477759gk drama gk makan bes
>>92476483I remember this guy in SOLACE collabgrim
Kanaia Yapshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qnn5uibRvPE
Future malechuuba will grim?
Aliza Singshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxjUwV35TdARimu Ngajarhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtJMnaDNCIM
Ren Vertical Streamhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BAazOMdPHzU
1.4k yeey
https://www.youtube.com/live/GSrnAmAqL583.6k
Natasha ASMRhttps://youtu.be/awZMgyc7QkYKrow Wrapped Reacthttps://youtu.be/2IhpNRPRJm4Pingu HOKhttps://youtu.be/lfHzhvGVngA
>>92480281Who said it again? Oh right, it was >>92479236
>>92480556>>92480281>tik tokgrim
>>92480281>>92480556Surprised that the "not all males, but it's always males" or other misandrist tendencies don't prevail among women in the local VTuber scene after all of these SA cases. Or is it because I don't find one yet?
>>92480645Thou shalt kneel to the cungkuo overlords, no tiktok, no incline
1.9k on TikTok*yesterdayAnd some viral contenthttps://vt.tiktok.com/ZS6kGXAAS/https://youtube.com/shorts/uYYdd72OY9gSOL.4C challenger?Gabut, thread sepi coba post sesuatu aja deh
>>92480713Maybe it can be the solution for HoloID to increase their numbers...
>>92480952*image
>>92480973>Roblox-aah face>TikTok as the primary platformEz number
Sarah Freetalkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdTEicX3uAIKeiko Singshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LguOX00PdRIRei Randomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UxIKWPxi_gKelythonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpF5ZL4XQVkAmaya Strayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlyblVs1A5cKawithonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgzbzPaJGRQ
Neta Faaast Penguinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJlPpgLHJpQ
>>92476590God, why does SEA women are so annoying in games like this?
Ara Palworldhttps://youtu.be/x5Khhpyj0F8
Laras Freetalkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpRsZnyAbMIAdel Balatrohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE5ZItrcPDIOcha RDR2 RPhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohJvvTpQrv4
cita-citaku ingin menjadi polwanmana mungkin, aku hanya lelaki....
Deidey is cute today too!
I miss Deidey...
I WANT TO DRINK DEIDEY'S MILK!
Early HBD Fio!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5LHOk3E9YEPhinia Donathonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6as_92I7mwk
I WANT TO LICK DEIDEY'S ARMPIT!
I want to impre-PLAP PLAP PLAP, GET PREGNANT, GET PREGNANT DEI!
UOOOOOOHHHH, DEIDEY, ACCEPT MY TOKEN OF LOVE!
Venz Arknekhttps://youtu.be/nyQZYxnSyyo
>>92460637Harris has announced that the upcoming SOL4CE Charity earnings will be directed to BAZNAS to tackle forest fires in West Kalimantanhttps://x.com/HarrisCainee/status/1873395758969598086Details about the charity stream could be watched on the tweet belowhttps://x.com/eciiica95/status/1873017298317132070
>>92480973I don't have tiktok so how's the streaming landscape there?
>>92480952Damn, this one's secretly hugeBut his YT style is more like Obit+Akemi than SOL4CE tho
>>92477946which one?
>>92479834Whoa, that's unexpected
>>92477759ora drama ora kenyang bray
push
https://youtu.be/gW9h8cZQNwU
>>92479834>>92497498Who is this? I've never seen her before
>>92491447More crowded with younger audience?
another pej 10 push
egap napaled
To think that Reine was in the Madun series in the past
>>92509117She's what?
Mmm ... Paha Codot
>>92509117not surprised, but not gonna be bothered to find the pict/doxly
https://x.com/_mokkei_/status/1873282801208045970
>>92512289Should've stopped at the 2nd panel
>>92512289did she ever hangout with any of the ex-id after the merger? she didn't participate with relay karaoke either right?
>>92512816She only did one job for her "fellow" talent, and then never do anything else. I think at this point we know where she stands. Part of myself glad that she doesn't mingle with the crab bucket, but at the same time, she just has to accept that she doesn't belong anywhere else anymore.
GURA STRIMMMGURASSS STRIMMMMMASDFSDSADFSAFSDAFSAF
>>92515140/ggg/ is this way >>92515519
>>92514945>she doesn't belong anywhere else anymoreSHE BELONGS TO FANSLY!!!
pej 10
PAGE 8
>>92517665Let it go wan ... It's been over a year since that. She's ashamed to let her sexual frustration into public eyes
>>92514945> one jobrigging Tenjin?
>>92523980Yep. She keeps track of her commission queue and publishes that into some website. The notices are more or less similar with her Twitter feed on that work account.Who knows what kind of work she's been doing these past 6 months. Probably a lot of Niji stuffs. Probably another commissioned odd jobs with different names.
>>92476483Reading more of this case, apparently he succeeded to gaslight one of local fem chuuba at that time and turn her against her own agency. It's wild
>>92526699Didn't he also played a role in kicking a malechuuba out from his group as well wan?
>>92464773our marriage, she's pregnant with my child.
>>92527174Yep. That one graduated from a promising group as well. I'm starting to wonder how a manipulator like this dude is allowed in so many circles. Like, the GTA RP cases the other day, I wonder how much of it came from just him lying through everybody in the community and people believing him like a prophet
why can't we have baddass male chubawith rough and manly designvoice that could make a toddler cry from 100mtrunhinged stream and jokesbeing real, no daddy bullshit, desah voice, circle jerking, woman teaser, no, none of thatwhy can't we have mr.krabs of vtuber?
>>92528408Yeah, it's really weird how many sirkels were blindsided by his absurd tales
Holobros, is it true that you won't be able to dono with SB for holoID come 2025?
>>92531524haha lol, we've been unable to dono at all since the begining of 2024
>>92531524Only voicepack on sb
>>92531524Dunno, I never used Sociabuzz to donate, though I think it's only the shop part (the one that sold voice contents) that closed down on December 23rd
>>92532144>>92532241??? You still can donate? As >>92532359 was saying, they only closed down the voice contents sales
>>92532655i mean financially wan
>>92532655I was wondering if later on they'll shut SB donos as well since I heard a rrat saying that they'll shut SL on the new years
https://youtu.be/e6hYb7dby9Q
>>92528666The local equivalent for this Mr. Krabs of VTuber will be an UMKM owner that do dubious sales pitch on his SNS, and stream a freetalk to complain about his worker hijinks while underpaying them
>>92535516JHON LBF FOR STARSID!!!1!1!
>>92532896Awan-chama...Not everyone is as poor as you
>>92536008wait whaa... they're not???WELL, THEY HAVE TO!DUKUNG PEMERENTAH UNTUK MEMISKINKAN SEMUA RAKYAT!!!
Souta MiSidehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4cFDiPICjI
stop teasing me notkobo with your dance T0T
>>92517665>>92523789sup coomers!her ntr fansly is the best!fuck fuck fuck!
Hearing virtual youtuber got mentioned on RCTI news still feels unreal.. https://youtu.be/GAjtdNNmqiY?si=Ma0NWVzn8jKQDv7N
>>92460637Deleted my previous post and reposted with additional information:Renita Marybelle of Livium will end her activities on January 31st, 2025, due to personal reason.https://x.com/ProjectLivium/status/1873640237693538397Her membership will be stopped on January 10th, but her channel will still be up after January 31st.
>>92526699> gaslightI think it's clarified here https://x.com/HARI_WALTER/status/1873367936385405007But still, what a damage
>>92540592Anjirlah, even more grads?? What even is happening rn?
>>92540592
>>92541620I wanted to cope by saying that ID4 is finally cooking but>ID4>when ID management still fell into treerat's doomer takesso yeah it's still roru, rumao even..
Tanya Singshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYYmUVLlo24
push this grim year of idvtubers
Ren Drawshttps://youtu.be/MxA07c-fFyQ
And another one...
>>92543963kiwkiw
>>92460637YumeLive announces its closure. It will stop operating on December 31st. https://x.com/yumelive_ent/status/1873677954489991256All of their assets including character and their SNS will be given to the talents. The remaining merchandise are available to purchase until they sold out.
>>92543489>>92543963baru juga didoain baek2 haish
>>92544210Oof, didn't they just debuting new Talent earlier this month
>>92544210???
>>92544210This is Kobo's fault btw
>>92544752Nah, Kobo actually saved Sena from Yuta, I see this as nothing but a win
>>92544752Why kobo ?
>>92544210...https://pdki-indonesia.dgip.go.id/detail/7e4c221da87eeb0dc8b843c5183b0b89156f514683678b72c133e493998c64e1?nomor=IPT2023029762&type=trademark&keyword=yumelive
>>92460637Eru will enter 2025 with a new hairstyle, which is set to be revealed on the link below at 1st Jan, 7pm WIBhttps://youtu.be/EF3GDWlDJsU
10JIN VR Talkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-uOCIJrPUWal Freetalkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS0vnmR1cco
>>92545190Oof, I feel bad for them. Already registered their brand, only to be out-of-operation one year later ...
its funny to see this cnnuy get bullied by mediashare
Hessa Freetalkhttps://youtu.be/h8MzejNwA-ITanya MLhttps://youtu.be/5XaE9r2Gh4sYuu A Little To The Lefthttps://youtu.be/fgCRpUakmGsShayla Freetalkhttps://youtu.be/an6ZtlqMihkMaudy 2025 Resolutionshttps://youtu.be/EOSQ80Fh3NELian Bridge Of Spiritshttps://youtu.be/5YUzZwv0g0sAlicia Freetalkhttps://youtu.be/vTXi7Qu1-o0Nima Umahttps://youtu.be/3TImfImiMwILillis Fischhttps://youtu.be/bg03lC95psYPhinia MChttps://youtu.be/ZTfRoYE-SxE
>>92544278Yeah https://x.com/yuuaruca/status/1873690110539268428good thing Chou Senka can have his model, if not he's going back with bimbo lore again
>>92460637>>92544210In addition of the closure, several talents has confirmed that they will be continuing as indie VTubers:https://x.com/MishikaAya/status/1873687904222081477https://x.com/nishikimari_/status/1873704125902536963Yuu Aruca also confirmed continuing her VTuber activities.There are no announcement from Kawaki Nana and Shibana Asuka, as their last activities are more than two months ago.
era vtuber id telah berakhir. fans2 lama udh sibuk dgn kehidupan masing2/ganti hobi & opsi hiburan lain. calon audience baru yg tersisa cuma dari generasi2 bocil
>>92548691No wonder that even in vtubing, we're losing to Thailand
>>92460637Continuing from >>92489411https://x.com/HarrisCainee/status/1873717069491118110Harris has revealed the milestone reward for SOL4CE charity stream
Arisa Birds Organized Neatlyhttps://youtu.be/ywOnQLgOQ0MKouki 2025 Resolutionshttps://youtu.be/9O-IaagxDx8Neta Timecapsulehttps://youtu.be/8X4Zy8uwQGIZeya Freetalkhttps://youtu.be/zh-q8FFRj3AAyin Gaboet Pleasehttps://youtu.be/_jByWS1Bd0QHBD Fio!https://youtu.be/5ODyAgIjCmc
>>92547937How about Chou Senka? wait, was he even still in IgniteLive before this closure?
>>92544210Only hololive can carry sea vtubers, there's no interest otherwise
>>92549840Wrong, only the males are profitable in SEA, otherwise why'd cover send the IDs to bilibili?
Cecil late month dinnerhttps://youtu.be/aea_lx2nNJc
Daisy Mail Gatheringhttps://youtu.be/bTbSthhdTNY
Cia Ghost Huntinghttps://www.twitch.tv/cianguin
take me to the beach
>>92460637https://x.com/ArethKirana/status/1873722545901584544Indie Aretha Kirana will reveal her New Year's Outfit tomorrow at 9pm on the link belowhttps://youtu.be/ZC4-SpF7MRY
>>92460637https://x.com/Frederett_/status/1873644781873836486To celebrate her birthday tomorrow, Fure has cooked several itineraries such as>Birthday Stream at 4pm https://youtu.be/P3ZJar4EG58>New Costume at 7pm https://youtu.be/kE2CPd28e_M>Percaya MV at 7.45pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeBw7b1ZtUA
Phinia Donathonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILrXctYFaQ4
>>92480952You know what, if sexpests stayed on tiktok and never moved to YT, do you think Hakim Jalanan like Andi's gang would caught them?
>>92559117Who?
>>92550011for profit ofc
>>92568565Good question. I don't think so, unless the victim broke TikTok containment and tip whoever it was in the other SNS
>>92568565It's not about YT or TikTok, IMO. It's about how active they are in the community, especially on X and FB. A lot of drama happens because they are too active either interacting with fans and vtubers/content creators or other circles. The more active, there is a tendency to be more contaminated with drama because they are always forced to show their personality, which sometimes ends up only leaking the bad side of themselves and even sacrificing their channel performance. The less active, the more impulsive behavior will be suppressed or even if they does it, it will be less exposed. Maybe now I understand why there used to be a term gatekeeper for vtuber fans, because they think that being active in the community doesn't always end well and can even affect the quality and consistency of their favorite vtuber. This can also apply to any type of Vtuber; whether it's an agency or indie Vtuber, a Vtuber who focuses on fanservice or content performance, female or male. Look at that guy. Even though his content style and audience type is different from the Vtuber ID community in general, he has to focus more on creating content than interacting with other people.It's not that I don't want them to interact, I just feel that Vtubers nowadays rely too much on 'personality', one of which is by emphasizing excessive interaction under the pretext of being more natural or organic, when they are actually just lazy to think about finding content ideas or want to run 'modus-modus' intentions to other people like fans, creators, artists, etc.
>>92572796So what's the solution for ID males? Just create more contents and establish a wall between them and their fans?
Kenapa yang disenggol tentang sexpest vtuber cowok mulu? kenapa bukan vtuber cewek?! karena kebanyakan udah punya pacar irl, jadi ga mungkin genit ke fans cowok. Chuakkkzzz.
push dikit
push again
>>92544210Another one added to the list
>>92575297 Oh, this is neat. I wonder if someone can make and ID corpos version of it
>>92584749
>>92584749Damn, that's a lot corpo dying this year. Surely 2025 is our year....
>>92574313Oddly enough, yes. And that's actually what Akemi has been doing, just focusing on Contents while having those boundaries build up by itself; you know how some people are intimidated by how big your audience is, especially if that big chuuba is under an agency or a management. Smaller chuubas go self-aware and think a thousand times before they ask for a collab, and fans (especially newer ones) are intimidated by the older fans who were already there (unless they're mad enough and be the madlad they are). some older fans even went on to be the chuubas' white knight, especially if they're recruited as mods.And, comparing Akemi to another big chuuba but female, i found that female chuubas are more prone to being menhera, due to how baper they could get towards their audience (or, well, usually the other way around). As an example, take Mythia or Kobo, and maybe Kiara. Those white knights (either the chuuba breed them, or they kinda pledge themselves, to be one) will serve their purpose when the boundaries gets breached; their protective instinct reacts, and they won't stop unless their oshi tells them otherwise.
>>92584749Do it VRchama
>>92570528She's this chuubahttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8d7PQAmZl1A
>>92592550Beda jiir ... Warna matanya (aslinya coklat kekuningan, ini biru), model sama aksesoris rambutnya (aslinya cuma pake pita di kuping sama kuncir kanan kiri, ini jadi pake jepit bintang sama ada kepang sampingnya), bajunya (aslinya serafuku khaki + pernak-pernik, ini cuma kemeja putih dikasih rompi yang ada frill-nya, dan dasi yang ga jelas).
>>92593900That's because it's an art for her older model wan, but the chuuba in question is still correct tho
>>92574313Sadar diri aja. Personality mid (atau bahkan bisa jadi busuk), sirkel ga punya, bukan dari agensi/cuma dari agensi kecil, bakat ga ada, suara jelek, dan ga punya pengalaman unik yg sekiranya bisa dijual. Satu-satunya jalan ya fokus grinding konten ngandelin ide. Bukan malah caper sana-sini
>>92586406Goddamnit you fucking rodent
What do you think HoloID on 2024 warkop? Like song, event, collab, cn, anything
>>92597737i don't expect anything from them anymore
>>92599236Sebat dulu ga sih bang?
We are reaching the end of this year, so I figure that I will post something that I write. Nothing too fancy, and think of it as me reorganizing my thoughts and impressions towards chuuba scene in this span of one year. I am not a professional in this industry, and all of my writing is just a casual observation of a fan who happens to relay news from time to time to this thread. I might misremember some of the details, so if you have something to correct, feel free to comment. With that in mind, let us dive in.
>Winding down, stepping upAs we entered 2024, I feel that HoloID is finally winding down. After that hectic of a year that is 2023, we entered this year with expectations already lowered to a certain degree by a statement of Ayunda Risu, and looking back now, I feel what she had said in the beginning of the year is more or less true. We got less real-life events, and even when we got another Holo concert here, it featured less of our talents, and more from JP and EN. We also got hit by the closure of local shopping platforms, with Sociabuzz and Tokopedia storefront closing, and have to endure the god-awful highly taxed merchandise pricing now. In addition to that, when I watched some of the HoloID talents, it didn’t feel fun anymore. It seems that talents are doing more and more phoned-in performances. We got a one month situation where basically everyone is swamped in some kind of “homeworks” or something, and I don’t think it’s a good move, even when the stakes at hand is the highly-anticipated annual event of 17-an. Personally, I think 17-an was okay. The live was great, of course, but was this really so great that it excused the talents from doing the regular program? Even if it was, the rest of the events were somewhere between mediocre and downright boring.Not all was doom and gloom in the house of Holo, of course. They managed to strike a deal with Honda, and even went as far as doing promotion in the Development Basketball League (DBL), one if not the biggest youth sporting event in the country. The Indomie endorsement was also good. It could have been better if they could make a custom packaging that showcases Holo talents, although that may be a tall order for Indofood. Another endorsement and collaboration with brands also puts them in the nice spot. Maybe the brands are not the most sophisticated, but hey, at least you can get a cheap TWS with your oshi sticker plastered into the case, or a backup SSD that can be used as an additional storage for your PC. I would say that it’s still a win-win situation. I also noticed that several of the gaming endorsements only go to a certain talent, and I can’t help but wonder, is this the best the marketing/PR/management staff could do? I mean, I knew that there are certain talents in JP who always get the same collaboration deals, but surely, they can offer other talents right? Or is it because only THAT particular talent has a worthy marketability? In the first place, why is only certain talent worthy to be endorsed, while the rest of them are basically worthless to be used as an endorsement platform? In that case, why not just cut the loss and stop supporting the worthless one, then? But of course, that’s not the way Holo works, and I’ve asked too many questions that I’ll probably never understand the answer to, so let’s just leave it that way and talk about something else.
>Grabbing the silver medalAKA Virtual entered 2024 with confidence. After debuting (well, technically doing behind the screen support) a vtuber version of a highly popular idol group, and acquiring a bunch of independent VTubers last year, they really reaped what they’ve sowed. JKT48v became the first in AKB group to bridge a smaller subsets of vtuber and idol fans, thus making them into a solid fanbase. Every member in 48v has their own charm, and even Pia Meraleo can go toe-to-toe with your regular member with her great singing abilities. On the other hand, the gathered group of male indies are shaped into SOL.4CE, a male group that becomes quite a formidable force in furthering their brand recognition. Harris Caine was already well-known in TikTok at that time, and I guess he took AKA offer when he was unsure on how to make a leap into YouTube. It worked, and now he has become essentially a prominent figure in the agency. What I loved about those two cases is that I can see a clear trickle down effect from the respective “leader” that I’ve mentioned, to their genmates, and eventually to AKA itself. I think it has been 2 major events (read: Comifuro) since they joined AKA, and everytime I see their booth, it has become more and more packed with those queuing up to buy JKT48v and SOL.4CE merchandise.After launching those successful groups, they are also debuting yet another group of mixed VTubers picked from the indie scene. This time they’re pulling those who already have a big reputation, even going as far as recruiting Karissa Sharlotte, who went indie after her agency was dissolved last year. In addition to Karissa, there’s also Shannon who is basically a rising indie Vtuber that carried her reputation from her previous life. Suffice to say, that unit also became a favourite for AKA fans, though it could be argued that the fans itself came to support AKA after staying with said VTubers during their thick and thin. They’re probably also hoping that someday their oshi will have a 3D debut, because even after all of that, AKA is also capable of doing that. They already did such a thing last year, and this year alone they debuted 3 talents. I suppose it wouldn't be that hard for the agency to do that. I don’t know what the exact requirements were, but I suspect that it has something to do with subscriber numbers. In the end, you can’t deny that in terms of numbers, presence, and crowds, AKA is the only one that’s capable of stepping up and filling the second place that has been vacant for quite a long time after the unfortunate departure of Nijisanji ID. Not even MAHA5, who have been coasting in the 3rd place for quite some time, and various older agencies, can fill that spot.
>Peeking at the potter’s fieldI have no expectation or a premonition of such when it comes to how well or dire local corpos were when starting 2024. It seems that they were still capable of operating independently, especially since I saw some news on how ZodiacStars and Genesix were planning to debut their new talents. By the end of the year, they both ended up dead, with one of them causing quite a stir when one of their talents was accused of embezzlement and criminal activities. The allegation turned out to be false, and a counter statement was addressed to said agency that basically said that management was purposely protecting a guilty staff. There is also a small agency founded in 2023 that I noticed has some nice branding, but also ended up dead because (allegedly) there is one incompetent staff that brings the whole organization down. You would think that people who enter this field and try to do business in this industry will at least learn from the previous failure of past small corpos, but I guess the localized nature of this coordination makes them oblivious to the looming threats.In hindsight, I probably should have looked a bit from small EN corpos, since I certainly did not expect that Kawaii is closing its door this year. I used to think that for a corpo, if you already passed the certain years in the scene, you are essentially self-sustaining yourself and there is no way you will fail to the point of closure and/or bankruptcy. I was wrong, especially wrong, since a very similar case happened right here under my nose all along.DigiKagi as a concept is really a good company. Good business plan, nice diversified products, and helmed by those who already had years of experience in digital agency. Sure their first VTuber might hit a snag, but they struck gold with Alenka Inventra. I guess this was the moment that they thought they could make it big, by bringing another group of VTubers under their management. They tried that and, well, it didn’t end well for them. After losing Astra Aelia (2 times) for various reasons, eventually they have to let their other talents go, and pivot their focus outside of VTubing gigs. This makes it one of the high profile closures of the year, and what’s frustrating about them is, I don’t really know what was the ultimate reasoning for their closure, or since when they’re preparing for their eventual demise. All I know is a bunch of talented individuals were let go, and every man was for themselves. Sure, there is a colleague/friend circle among them, but it took quite a while to find all the talents again. There are also a few tips that reach me, but they’re just a fragmented point-of-view between different staff members, and it’s not my place to talk about it and criticize it, so let’s just leave it as it is.The other one, well, I certainly didn’t expect it either, but for an entirely different reason. AOI was one of the old agencies who had their big break in 2022. One of their talents, Gita Melodia, was clearing metrics left and right. Her presence was also one of the more memorable ones, especially with her numerous covers, and her singing ability, making her one of the most notable VTuber that year. Sadly, her journey was cut short, and she (along with her genmates) graduated in the same year she got all of the attention. Later, a whistleblowing post revealed that their graduation was an indirect result of the CEO's unprofessional manner that endangered their business as an agency. Long story short, said CEO was sacked and replaced by someone else, and we didn’t hear about them for quite some time. Until several weeks ago, when they announced their closure, all hell broke loose. Every bad experience, both from talents and staffs, were told in detail, and it’s finally revealed that the new CEO also ran away from his responsibility. From withheld payments, until non-existent support, let’s just say that after the incident and replacement of said CEO, things did not improve. On the contrary, it just got worse, and it costs them the agency. Such a shame really, because there was hope that the agency could be saved, according to one of the former staff that I talked to. It’s just that said hope was placed on the wrong person. So let's just mourn their death, and move on to the next topic.Scratch that, Yumelive has also imploded, and MAHA5 just lost their anchor. Maybe I’ll write about them next time, but not today.
>Off with their headInitially I did not have this segment and after the 3rd editorial, and it was supposed to go straight into the next one which consists of my personal hopes and dreams towards this industry. That has since come to shit after weeks upon weeks of shameful happenings in the local scene, especially concerning those male VTubers. Starting with an allegation of sexual harassment did by a certain male Vtuber with quite a presence, it quickly spiralled into a cases of many of female (and underage) fans confessing to the masses that apparently, a lot of their males oshis are doing similar things to them. Many of them are uncomfortable to speak initially, but after a centralised post was made, a lot of disgusting behind-the-screen stories come to light. Said post really put a lot of those males' harrowing behaviour into a spotlight of shame.I watched some male VTubers back then, but my experiences are rather limited to the Nijisanji ID members, which heavily marketed themselves as the brotubers, but with extra steps. I never watched males from the JP-sphere, and I was certainly not watching those who were offering boyfriend experience. To say that I’m out-of-touch with nowadays male vtuber scene is probably accurate. It’s also exacerbated with me basically only being active in ONE social media, instead of checking other means, but I certainly didn’t expect that there are numbers of males, young and able-bodied, actively searching for a target to groom while building a brand personality where they can be fawned upon.Now, I don’t have to explain how and why those things are considered wrong, but what makes me disgusted is that apparently there are a lot of males who don’t consider that kind of behaviour problematic. Manipulating your easily-to-be-impressed audience, and taking advantage of those who probably can’t think of themselves any better, is not an admirable trait that a public figure should be having. Same case with roping underaged girls to pleasure a sick delusion. If you’re a male vtuber that still does these kinds of things and somehow reads this, please stop, and repent for all of your sins.Of course, that was just my personal rant, but this is a good wake up call. Even better with Andi Adinata waking up from his long slumber, just to become a vigilante and doing a heavy effort to deplatform one of the rising male vtuber that happens to share a circle with some famous streamer. Whether he had a personal issue with said Vtuber, no one really knows, but in the end, several males are forced to either hide their presence, or issue a half-hearted apology to the masses. Not an ideal solution, I would say, since there are no real consequences to the most certainly real actions that cause mental damage to the youth, but at least we can get rid of some of the problematic individuals in the scene. It’s still a long road towards a good and healthy community but at least we’re moving in the right direction.Though, after all of that said and done, I don’t think that this witch-(wizard?)hunt will do a much damage in the males vtubers that are already have a reputation, especially to those backed by a corpo. SOL.4CE's reputation is still pristine, and several males under MAHA5, Re:Memo, and Snowdrop are still in the green, as far as I know. So what does that tell you? Are corpos able to sweep out their talents dirty laundry, or is it just that they’re better in tardwrangling their male talents? Hopefully I don’t have to find that answer. If I do though, well, you know where the torches and pitchforks are.
>Hopes and dreamWith 2024 ending today, I just want to congratulate and applaud those who are still kicking and screaming in this scene, trying to be more relevant in this cut-throat industry. The likes of Livium, Yorukaze, and several small corpos that I certainly forget their name, who are still trying to bring something new to the table. Of course it wasn’t a flawless finish in my opinion, since there are hiccups here and there, but an impressive overall performance in an industry as volatile as the speculation market is nothing to scoff at. A special mention goes to Re:Memories, who not only were there during the wild-west era of ID VTubing, but also stays to be a relevant brand until, well, nowadays I guess. I hope that everyone, from talents, creative workers, to staffs behind-the-screen, will have better contracts and payments. It’s a real sweat, blood and tears that they have poured into this industry, and as stakeholders, owners, investors, or even just casual customers, it is their obligation to fulfill their parts of the deal.I used to hope that Hololive ID would champion the entry to the mainstream audience for corpochuuba, but I guess this is just a pipe dream this year. If that happens next year, then my hats to whoever does it, but I really hope that it would be one of the local corpo that takes the lead in charge, and as a result makes Hololive think twice about doing things half-heartedly here. For those indies who are still alive, I just hope that you can survive this year, and the years to come. I’m not sure if the market will still be there, but hopefully they will, and there will be a demand for you, a single artist that shines brightly among others. One message from me though, especially for ANY recognizable indies (those with silver plaques and what-not), is that please treat your public attitude with more care. I’m not going to drop names, but if you feel that it concerns you and your colleagues, please understand that you are a public figure now. You are an idol (or an influencer, whichever you want to be called.). Someone to look to, admire, and imitate. I don’t want the younger audience to get influenced by those who have bad manners in front of the camera. To quote Jonas Neubauer, “If you’re a high visibility player, it’s on you to move the community in a positive direction”. Please make this as your mantra going forward, and if you can’t bear the burden, please step out of the spotlight.I will look at all of your actions in 2025 with great interest.
So, yeah, this was what I've talked about in the last bread. It took longer that I'd like, but at least I can post it here. It's been more or less a year since I pick up baking duty from the previous OPs, and I just want to write some annual editorials, I guess. /warkop/ has become my comfy place-to-go to discuss anything about local chuuba scene without worrying about certain things or pandering to certain crowds, so I'd like to keep that spirit going forward. Thank you for being /here/ in 2024, and let's hope that 2025 will bring a better future for all of us.>t. the usual OP
>>92601517https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1mL7HkoUI8
>>92602560>>92602625>>92602685>>92602734>>92602802>>92602860>>92603704uuuuuUUUUUUUUUU
>>92549408He's live rn, but Idk what he has spoken in the 45 minutes before I tune inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlrbMVF6eJM
>>92603704Thx for being with us throughout 2024, OPchamaMay in 2025, we'll all thrive and prosper togetherand maybe, we can get some VTL stars as well this time, bosen tau latihan mulu menangnya kagak>t.timnaschama
>>92602625kinda have the same thought with you about holoideven with the big brands collabs i don't think its translated to new viewerccv down, dono soon to be down too with sociabuzz getting closed for themtalent somewhat bored or unmotivated, just the usual schedule or fotm game, and somehow i find clippers doing a really hard job to clip interesting moments for themtheir top talent went "Gura way"a handy amount of critique and complains still floating in twitter like how they handle merch stuff (wether tokped or that one cafe collab merch)idk what to expect, i watch alot of stuff lately and then i realised iam not as attached with vtuber as before, i know every news because iam here and there, but watching stream kinda become 3rd-4th priority on my everyday entertainmentbut well, maybe its just vtuber fatigue from me, maybe more people feel the same wayeither way, GOOD LUCK BUAT LU LU PADA YANG MASIH BERKECIMPUNG DI INDUSTRY INI, SEMOGA LU SEMUA BISA SURVIVE DAN LEBIH DARI ITU BISA SUKSES DARI APA YANG LU TEKUNISaraba~
>>92602560>why not just cut the loss and stop supporting the worthless one, then?Iofi: if someone grad, all three grads (+moona still have a debt)Ollie:debt
HOLY FUCK THAT CCV IS CRAZYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSn1uJKTFSEWe might be witnessing one of if not the biggest IDchuuba event of 2024
>>92607288 (me)Also check on their donosAccording to >>92549128Their goal is 10M and their extended one is at 15M but only 2 hours into their 12hrs stream and picrel is what they've get
>>92607127Also, cutting talents without new blood (ID4) is bad optics and will send the overall fandom vibe downhill.
>>92471967I prefer an English name. His name on VTL will be "THE VIGILANTE IS HERE", like how Michael Cole called Sting.https://youtu.be/Ji4h77ZrMc8&t=88
Katya Freetalkhttps://youtu.be/Vm6tOX9WRfY
Is it Deyover?https://x.com/deidey16_/status/1874010405762457700
Fantech x miti soon
Reynard Singshttps://youtu.be/Z5jnYNc6wRc
>>92596534It's called work smart, not M U A L A S.https://x.com/iamrorin_/status/1873739412716306835
push the firework to display
Pia stronk.https://x.com/EditanJeketi/status/1873879047069196554
Marin Road to 2025https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H84-9uAn9gDewi bids 2024 farewellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tMg5ucxtKgPira 2024 Recap Talkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaqYHr3uEc4Hana Mediasharehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-ZSM492h00
njess Writes 2025 Goalshttps://youtu.be/AelmaBromPA
>>92611024Mentalnya udah kayak PNS aja mbak, sayang kerjanya di korporat Jepang
Kouki MiSidehttps://youtu.be/lA6D4pIMJyU
GET IN HEREhttps://www.youtube.com/live/ymIiGkv-amIhttps://www.youtube.com/live/ymIiGkv-amIhttps://www.youtube.com/live/ymIiGkv-amI
>>92615581>7pmLah, I thought it'll start at 8 lol
tahun baruan wan
>>92615690
>>92616115It's Deyover isn't it?
>>92615581STARTING
Tanya MLhttps://youtu.be/O6xGGQK2W2EKelythonhttps://youtu.be/8Q5yL3Xg_KwKana says bai bai 2024https://youtu.be/aUX1ddP30cE
>>92616115>>92616417aman ini mah
>>92616784Lah, Outfit reveal bangke wkwkwkwk
Anjeeng, kostum baru rupanya
IT'S NEW MODEL REVEAL>IT'S NEW MODEL REVEALIT'S NEW MODEL REVEAL>IT'S NEW MODEL REVEALIT'S NEW MODEL REVEAL>IT'S NEW MODEL REVEAL
>>92617214KOIANON, PLIS COMEBACK AND START WORKING ON HER 2.0 PLIS PLIS PLIS
AND THE STORY CONTINUES
>>92616844>>92617204perlu dikoreksi seks secara brutal setelah stream
Elena Spins The Wheelhttps://youtu.be/fAIBV1vh1qA
>ada orisong(?)Whoa, new Deisex goalhorn time?
>>92616844>>92617204>>92617214>>92617258>>92617299CAN SHE BRING /WARKOP/ INTO IT'S FIRST STAR?
> You have guided me this far. I shall continue my steps forward. I am certain we will meet again somewhere.>This caption on her announcement is actually part of lore of her new L2D modelThis girl...
>>92617590Bangsat kau, Dey
Oh, I forgot Fure orisong premierehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeBw7b1ZtUA>>92617590Goddamnit, this girl really needs immediate correction
Otsu 2024, says Ciahttps://youtu.be/JA3OVNuU92o
RATE THE ANNOUNCEMENT. FROM HER TWEET SEVERAL DAYS AGO TO THE LIVESTREAM TODAY.
2.0 Debut PV is up now!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-o_VbfiIAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-o_VbfiIAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z-o_VbfiIASo, what do (you) think? Still with Papa Biitter?
Pingu 2025 Specialhttps://youtu.be/wlUaOqeBFrk
>>92618551picrel/10
Not the G-word letsgoooI wish her new model more segso
>Being coy about her new model>New model has a rabbit trait (ear)Deisex Anon will breed her like a rabbit, I guess
>>92617308>>92617714>>92617921
Ditanyaan's Final 2024 Streamhttps://youtu.be/h4XrCMz0zlA
Aneki new coverhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4io3XPMXK_w
Ethel Die Hard 3 Watchalonghttps://youtu.be/q6YjpAOYU9IKey bids 2024 bai baihttps://youtu.be/Z4WZVYelCfQOxa Freetalkhttps://youtu.be/LF-0kJ0u6V4Rimu Clown Showhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8mS9hBuTFMYume Freetalkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtwsYrVBj6U
Vera TFThttps://youtu.be/pDKPTCKy_gY
Rapien Rakit P.. Piano not PC...https://youtu.be/N9ISuAiWrGk
Tokki Handcamhttps://youtu.be/nCxewn-EfUI
Tabi Road to 2025https://youtu.be/l6xnKfRaJ80
Nima Sing&Talkhttps://youtu.be/nFQVSK80hA8
Chimanako Shione from AKA Virtual announced her graduation/indefinite suspension of activities on December 31, 2024.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbG27v8owoohttps://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxxVOrlnptAdis6wPXvlw9r9876Omj8fhh
>>92630400... I'll be honest, I never knew this one in AKA. one of the OG JP (Mai's genmate)?
Elena-Godot-Natasha-Ara-Ame 2025 Countdownhttps://youtu.be/4BiZCO4F-Gs
>>92631313Yes, alongside Todoroki Reika and Kiraboshi Miya.
Kawithonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nO7ZIGkVrkFuyumi Freetalkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g0RSKJqsqs
Lovi Road to 2025https://youtu.be/HYoNe1kyebw
sheirara Road to 2025https://youtu.be/hf33MxXzfJY
kentang njirr. gada shuffle medley
>>92636414Mahal wan, bayar utang komis dulu
>>92632775Since you mentioned, I just saw Miya's tweet this morning. It's grim to see the OGs being buried by the newer generation
>>92636414Huh? No Shuffle Melody? Really?>t. eating good on the outside today
So, without typing too much, what's your wish for 2025, /warkop/?
>>92637492Same sentiments as you are. Without the OGs that built AKA Virtual to its current form, who's gonna be the foundation that'll keep the agency from collapsing itself?
>>92637709Money and easy life
>>92637709i just wish that everyone would not agree to disagree
Pio Mediasharehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcDAsAltxU4Aliza Road to 2025https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pzHGtYHsHoSenka Guerillahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0rZ0DNDSG8Lillis Mediasharehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jrm-ZmTa1UEpel 2024 Recaphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqZSVzBjM_MKana Road to 2025https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_Xvo-iPCFkGGWS 2025 Partyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89URedBVmqsAdel 2025 Partyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-hXRuulcZ8Vita Singshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiuCL88hfgYYume Road to 2025https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEs15uBT9x8Sarah Freetalkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YwqphWIYWE
Selamat tahun baru
>2025
>>92643264https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTYNwwPQH4ki really wish this happened back in 2020but never say too late, I REALLY WISH THIS WILL HAPPEN SOON
>>92637709/WARKOP/ JADI JUARA VTL WAN!
>>92607404 (me)And after 12h of grinding, here's what they've got..Awanama.. Meet the power of the future, the power of BFE!
>>92646440 (me)i somehow forgor the pic lol
>>92460637https://x.com/mikaasuma/status/1874155122072449442Mikaasuma has something new to reveal tonight on 7pmhttps://youtu.be/w219vpK7zao
https://twitter.com/hololive_Id/status/1874138447687942374>No ID4>Only more half baked eventsGRIM
Anovix revealed their new member called Kai Hikaruhttps://x.com/AnovixOfficial/status/1874142501420097614An official announcement relating to that will be streamed tonight at 7pmhttps://youtu.be/XKg1yMyRcjAInterestingly, he used his PL account named Noru Bobby without any wipeout before transitioning into Kai
I guess you can say that this is the two streams that defines the peak of ID Vtubing in 2024, let's hope that in 2025 and beyond, it'd go even higher than this, also awanama, place your bets, when will an ID stream could reach >30k peak CCV?
Cecil Singshttps://youtu.be/qVNDTbkU9QQ
https://x.com/airaniiofifteen/status/1874144692834885782https://x.com/kureijiollie/status/1874145886143734210Awanama, your thoughts plis, the stage is yours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2mJ1qEQ0x0&pp=ygUJZnVrdSBsaWFu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqZVWUqx80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7RCx8yDO5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgWKovB7yhY
>>92612119Naisu Pia!
>>92610636Ooh, I guess Fantech really happuy with Miti eh?
>>92517665If only she could realise it...
>>92514945>Part of myself glad that she doesn't mingle with the crab bucketWhat crab bucket? She's the crab bucket, not others lol, if others are the crab bucket, how come some ended up getting seiyuu jobs?
>>92503583What about their game options tho?
>>92650896Ga ada yang mau nolongin. Yang suka ngekritik ga bener2 nontonin kalian. Yang jadi white knight, suka sok nepis kritikan & pura2 kasihanin ke kalian juga demikian. Jadi mikir sendiri, cari tau aja sendiri deh :P
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