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>>93143041
Sorry Mori doesn't do "damage control" it's obvious why she wasn't siding with the green whore now that she showed her true colors.

>>93143041
More like they wanted to avoid sapplings mass suicide

>>93143166
Yes mori knew she'd follow those twitter accounts and disapproved

fo real

>>93143041
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/image/SIVbLTPpSXvZ17Z-iUZp2w/
Hmm...

>>93143041
White woman tantrums have ruined nations and civilzations throughout history

>>93143434
This but unirronically

>>93143041
Tetsuya Yamagami and Luigi Mangione both cited her Hitman streams as inspiration.

>>93143497
I’m not sure what I’m supposed to be seeing here.

>>93143637
Obsession.

>>93143684
With???

>>93143699
Fauna, duh. Same image, same points.

>>93143041
Fauna decided to announce sooner than anyone (including the other talents) was expecting, so it ended up being the day after Chloe's announcement putting rrats into overdrive.

>>93143041
Samurai fear the vegan

Cuz she's the only one that said Management bad?

>>93143714
I would imagine somebody who posts a Fauna image is obsessed with Fauna, yes.

>>93143166
retarded cuckbeat

>>93143800
Saplings were a mistake

>>93143796
How fat is it

You don't need a corporate mandate when every member's community is full of concerfaggotry about the rrats.

>>93143041
Why are you cucklings so stupid that you do not understand what new years holidays are?

>>93144281
What does new years have to do with it?

>>93144438
You really are stupid

>>93143041
Did this retarded op missed the immediate but decisive damage control that some Hologirls did when Aqua announced her graduation? "Cover sleeps" my ass, Aqua's graduation announcement was basically the beginning, which ultimately culminated to Fauna's graduation announcement and the resulting shitstorm.

>>93144530
I never remember any of that happening. Post some examples.

>>93143041
>Mori "Streaming is only 5% of my workload" Calliope disagrees with Fauna
>Shiori disproves any rrats about Japan stating she can pretty much do whatever she wants
>Ina treats this as a side job she doesnt need but still disagrees with Fauna
The more that came out about this situation the more it feels like Fauna had a manager she didnt mesh with and instead of raising hell, like the other talents who have done so, she just become a a doormat because she is bullyable which culminated into her woman moment graduation.

>>93144499
I'm not OP, and yes I am stupid, so that's why I'm asking for clarification

>>93143796
what else did mori do? pls continue
t. vcuck

The "damage control" was simply a response from by the girls to their fans' fears.

>>93143166
this is the third fucking time you retarded shitposters switch the narrative about this speech to a different flavor of Mori bad
pick a lane for fucks sake

>>93143551
>Nimi Nightmare Twitter account was created in August
>Announces graduation during the last day of November
There was no tantrum, just failed contract negotiations.

>uh corpo bad ok anyone who doesn't agree with me is a bootlicker running damage control shut up

>>93145069
This but unironically

>>93144630
What are you even asking clarification on? What do new years holidays have to do with new year? You're simply speaking nonsense

>>93143041
The moment orange woman fall, en will become whore

>>93143684
I'm a bit of a Fauna fanatic.

>>93145038
>There was no tantrum
That
>"I'm NOT leaving because I want to btw, LOVE streaming, I LOVE being an idol, I'm leaving because management is obstinately forcing me to leave!"
Shit was absolutely an attempt to set a fire on her way out, but she didn't plan on basically every other EN and a couple JPs swooping in within 24-48 hours to quell it
They totattly removed her from pole-position, her entire narrative got flipped from "tragic figure of mistreatment" to "quitter that wants leave to slum it up with indies", and forced the perception of her leaving to be on amiable and good terms

>>93146691
>"Fauna totally wanted to burn hololive on the way out!"
She might have been upset, but aside from sticking it to management I doubt she really wanted Hololive as a whole to fail. She still *has* friends there.

>>93143041
>damage control
i swear holo-anti are in desperate times to trivialize the talents themself.

>>93143041
I usually only watch doki, mint, or jelly/pippa (so phase or indies)

explain why so many graduations recently

>>93143166
FPBP

>>93146691
No one thinks like this outside of this board.

>>93146798
it's natural selection really, corpo vtuber are going to graduate eventually.

>>93146691
The only one throwing a tantrum is you kek

>>93146754
Ok well to be more specific while she probably wasn't trying to tear the whole company down, her intent on using her graduation as a platform to thumb her nose at management for perceived transgressions and ganer symphony from the masses is very palpable, and it turned into a much larger firestorm than she obviously anticapated
So watching her rhetoric and the underlaying vitriol of her speech be debunked and defanged by her co-workers and having to play nice with the company on her way out, from a 3rd party's perspective was very humorous lol

>>93144605
>woman moment graduation
Huh?

>>93143166
Hey! That's MY GREEN WHORE you're shit talking, nigga!

>>93146691
Anon, you do realize that you're saying the same shit that nijisisters are saying about Selen's termination?

>>93146798
>I usually only watch doki, mint
>explain why so many graduations recently
Don't you get it? Doki and Mint both showed that you don't need to suck a corpo cock or whore yourself out on Twitch to be successful

>>93145020
>Deadbeats are so sensitive that they interpret another Deadbeat siding with Mori as hating on Mori

>>93147912
>another Deadbeat siding with Mori
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>another deadbeat
>https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/filename/Morisaid_103513.png%20/
You're beyond gullible, you fucking retard lmao
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRIK_g-2-ds&t=1430s
That's not even mentioning the pic that shitter's been spamming deliberately splices up two difference sentences to create an entirely new context

>>93148089
So Mori hates hololive and is joining Fauna? Thanks for telling me deadbeat.

>>93148267
I'd ask you a rhetorical question like "are you retarded?" but you're obviously too fucking stupid know what that word even means

>>93145020
It's almost like 4chan is not a hivemind...

>>93143041
Her fans would commit murder suicide if they suspected anything actually wrong

Meh.
>Sapkeks overestimate their mommy's pow3r. As always.

>>93143041
Maybe because other didn't mention "disagreement with management" and both ame and chloroplast are just affliated not graduate?

One word causes so much speculation and all branches have to do damage control

>>93149571
debunking speculation is not damage control.

>>93144605
>>93143041
its not even that, she just refused them to do JP trips anymore, and expected them to accommodate her with a full usa rent studio

>>93143166
based

>>93143041
JP's never noticed Fauna you fucking retard, they were doing damage control for Chloe. Chloe said she was overworked, Fauna said she wanted all managers to commit sudoku. EN's talked about their good relationships with their managers and JP's talked about how they had the freedom to prioritize what they wanted and that they were not overworked.

>>93143041
Because any retards with semi-functioning brain knows if 2 of your assets announcing they're quitting within days of each other it's a bad news for the company

>>93153398
There's no way Fauna wanted to announce this then and then have a month of nothing. Probably wanted to drop it five days ahead of the date and slip out the door, but cover forced her to

>>93144530
>Aqua's graduation announcement was basically the beginning
They all graduated for different reasons though

>>93153489
To be fair, Chloe was far worse than Fauna. She was so selfish and refused to wait on announcing that she literally killed any possible momentum Iroha would have and destroyed her career. Iroha's likely to be the first graduation by suicide at this rate.

>>93143041
Fauna is the least forgettable of the bunch, even if she isn't as big as Aqua more people even putside of the scene were aware of her.

>>93147721
I assume that anon is referring to the abruptness of her announcement. Even though the others had been told that Fauna was (probably) going to graduate for some reason weeks before the announcement was left until the very last minute before Fes lineups needed to be finalized. Her announcement stream was so out of nowhere that the Justice girls who were streaming at that moment were completely unprepared and had to finagle and cancel their own streams to adjust to the sudden wiping of all the schedules for that annoucement stream.

The speculation is that Fauna's graduation was not set in stone until that very instant when she had apparently made up her mind and everyone else had to change their stream schedules to accommodate. I don't recall that ever happening before as grad announcements are always well planned ahead of time.

It's possible that she and management were attempting to negotiate right up until the end, or perhaps she hadn't yet given her final answer until that last minute. Who knows?
Was it a "women moment"? Only time will tell whether or not it was an ill advised, impulsive move devoid of any foresight predicated on some sudden, emotional spurt of irrationality or actually a well reasoned manoeuver acted out for her own best interests due to long running unresolved grievances with management. The fact that the announcement stream was not hurrr announced to the others beforehand lends an air of impulsivity to it.

Unless the exact nature of her "disagreements with management" become known it's not fair to call this a Women Moment.

Of course, management could be so fucking shit that nobody thought to pencil in that the airwaves would have to be clear for Fauna since she needed to make her announcement at some point. Wouldn't put that past them.

>>93154827
She knew in like late October, since she mentioned "crying about it 2 months ago" in zatsu before graduation day. So the only rushed thing would have been management telling her to suddenly announce it, maybe the initial plan was to space Chloe and Fauna up, with Fauna announcing her graduation in like January, but then one of the useless fucks remember about FES lineups and told her to get it over ASAP, and no one expected the double graduation to cause as much uproar as it did (and it being Fauna of all people was a total surprise to everyone)

>>93155257
>but then one of the useless fucks remember about FES lineups and told her to get it over ASAP, and no one expected the double graduation to cause as much uproar as it did (and it being Fauna of all people was a total surprise to everyone)
It's all too plausible. I suppose we'll never know.

I'll be honest, I didn't expect Cover to make them all repeat the same old exact "management is good" message. Even Ina who was absent during everything couldn't just stay silent. Soured me a bit on them.

>>93146691
>headcanon

>>93156967
you know i rather believe Ina than a rrat retards on /vt/ cook, don't let /vt/ make you a retard.

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>>93143041
I don't think we've seen damage control on this scale before.

I'd take Fauna and Saplings side on this because it was very obvious that there was some propaganda going on
But I don't really care about Fauna and I despise saplings so i feel no sympathy for anyone on that side.

>>93157819
The double whammy of 2 grads and the inflammatory implications of Fauna's remarks got all the other girls who are happy where they are to defend their livelihoods. It's not all that surprising. Their gravy train ends if Hololive falls. You'd defend yours too. Their fans were concerned so it was in their best interests to answer
>Can't say what was up with her but I'm happy with the way things are for me
I think every single girl answered something along these lines after that week, not just the ones spammed here in that pic. I don't think a single holo didn't bring it up to reassure their fans. Non streaming gura and mumei the exceptions of course. They all mentioned it, even if it was an offhand remark about them not going anywhere.

>>93158257
>inflammatory implications
You got your panties in a bunch because of one stupid word, while for me "creative differences [with management]" and "disagreement with management" are the same goddamn fucking thing - a disagreement. Special snowflakes like you are the reason they want to go away even with using the word 'graduation' moving forward.

>>93154827
>Unless the exact nature of her "disagreements with management" become known it's not fair to call this a Women Moment.
If Cover was planning the graduation stream it would have been at a JST time, like Ame's. The fact that it was out of the blue and the ENs at the time weren't prepared for her stream means it was 100% a woman moment.

>>93158511
Considering how everyone online went apeshit after her stream and cover's stock tanked after it I'd say the implications were inflammatory enough. The girls wouldn't have had to go all "damage control" if it wasn't inflammatory you retard.

Is 'woman moment' the schizo phrase of the month?

>>93158629
I think the stock drop had less to do with Fauna said, and more to do with the fact that 2 holos graduated within just a few days of each other.

>>93158629
You are so stupid it hurts. All that stuff happened because you had two graduations at once, and nobody expected Fauna to be one of them, had absolutely nothing with what she said exactly. If Ame said the exact same script in less stressful situation, nobody would fucking care as much.

>>93158779
>had absolutely nothing with what she said exactly.
Fauna said
>I want to be here but management won't let me *sob
That's not going to cause problems? Nog brain lmao

>>93158779
>You are so stupid it hurts
Are you that other idiot who thinks all words mean the same thing? It absolutely had everything to do with the words she chose. There's a reason the English language didn't stop evolving after the first ten words.

>>93143041
sigh

>fauna graduates
>fans go BALLISTIC for some reason
>talents go “oh shit what the fuck”
>talents try to calm people down

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>>93143041
>GUYS COVER WAS SO SCARED OF FAUNA BECAUSE SHE DIDNT WANT TO GO TO JAPAN BECAUSE HER CATS AND HER DIET AAAIIEEEE

i fucking hate this board.

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>people siding with vegans

>>93159444
Saplings have been properly indoctrinated.

>>93153966
>Chloe was far worse than Fauna. She was so selfish and refused to wait on announcing that she literally killed any possible momentum Iroha would have and destroyed her career. Iroha's likely to be the first graduation by suicide at this rate.
What

>>93146261
What does the new year have to do with the graduations?

>>93143166
fpbp

>>93143041
Easy western crowd are the loudest. They need to put out wildfires before it spread. The fact they're restricted to say the real reasons they left due to nda slapped to them should tell you enough about who they are a corporation. You'll always hear how the company is fine and how management is good but you'll never hear the reasoning for leaving. Look at rushia for example she tried to clear her name during the whole mafu shitfest and cover fired her for breaking nda when she didn't even discussed anything related to cover company secrets. Japanese are just like chinese. The only thing that separate them apart is that their entertainment media make them seem likeable.

>>93159444
vegans/vegetarian people who don't judge others > normal people > folks who find excuses not to cut back on their meat intake > annoying vegans

fact

>>93161088
t. annoying vegan pretending they're one of the good ones and trying to find a loophole for hating people who eat meat aka normal people

Dealing with Japanese people is like dealing with someone who doesn't know when to shut the fuck up and must have the final say.

>>93161175
T. Obese hamburger grease gargling American.

>>93143166
fpbp

>>93161260
So much for:
>vegans/vegetarian people who don't judge others

>>93161779
>muh feelings how dare you fight back.
Shut up obese retard.

>>93161971
'A regime [the Third Reich] which invented a biological foreign policy was obviously acting against its own best interests. But at least it obeyed its own particular logic'

>>93160827
>REEEEEEEE
lol
lmao

Based on her vague answer in zatsudans and her other accounts, she was ready to go by Breaking Dimensions, since we know she didn't even show up. I wonder what the problem was, besides the obvious issue with her manager like >>93144605 is saying.
Fauna never did sponsorships or anything outside of the mandatory work expected of her - so she either didn't want to and her manager did, or she did want to but her manager didn't facilitate finding avenues like that.
I'm also skeptical of her statement about being an idol - she wasn't one before Hololive, and it's doubtful she'd keep up with singing and dancing afterwards, simply based on past behaviors.
Either way, her new window dressing is probably going to be major cringe and she's still going to just crib material from NL, so I guess the people who only enjoyed the day to day streams won't lose anything.

>>93143166
mori and suisei have the idolshit perspective and its not a valid perspective

>>93161227
You haven't met a Japanese person in your life.

>>93158636
It's called a buzzword.

>>93143041
Their oshi is the company. You're not allowed to have any favorites. Just worship the company.

>>93161227
Don't forget their absolute denial of any wrongdoing. To the fucking bone.
They will push blame elsewhere as much as possible.
Weebs don't know shit about Japan. Japanese are horrible people in general, just like any other country.
The fact it is the norm to not run around and smash shit up doesn't stop them from being horrible, they are just horrible in different ways.
I'd still sooner live in a place like Japan than I would America or the UK for example. Far far higher levels of happiness despite their shitty cancerous work ethics.

>>93164450
Something wrong with that?

>all they care about is making money!
Is that different to the individual idol?

>>93164593
>>93164616
Multiple personality disorder much?

>>93164450
>Gather a bunch of girls
>Tell them not to say anything retarded
>Have them play games together
>Put on concerts
Vs.
>Miss Self-employed who thinks she's a master of entertainment
>Opens her mouth and says retarded things (she's a woman, after all)
>Collabs with even more retarded, unlikeable women
>Has little to no novelty content

>>93165121
Lately there's been a lot of dissident right racism against Japan from groypers and Duginists so I doubt this is a Chink

>>93164593
History is written by the victor.

>>93164770
Your strawman is proof you don't watch VTubers at all

>>93165217
Most of those points are taken from girls like Kson thinking they're masters of the medium, Dooby offering tech and Vtuber consulting while being unable to stream consistently, or Mikeneko opening her mouth and causing Thermonuclear War.

>>93145069
Funny because those people aren't even in the thread. You worship a company, the talents may not even be people to you at the end of the day.

>>93165324
see>>93164450

>>93144530
Not a single person on this god forsaken board cared about Aqua's graduation. Not with Ame, not with Chloe. When Fauna graduated, that's when you people began vociferously damage controlling for the corporation.

>>93143041
out of those Fauna has most impact being number 1 of en according to merch sales orhers were negliable

>>93165442
You're right. Fauna is the reason why Hololive is where it is today. But it's OK, CC will carry on that legacy in her place.

>>93165665
Also Andrew Tate went on a massive rant on Japan so seeing all of the anti-Japanese posting on this board lately barely surprises me

>>93165524
but CC is even less sexy than Biboo according to newest discord polls making her least sexiest

This thread is funny. People blaming the Japanese management but at the same time saying the current management structure doesn't matter and Hololive is doing just fine. Is this what schizophrenia looks like? How does someone think this is "having your cake and eating it too?" Just admit you have no real conviction.

>>93165926
may come to you as suprise but not all these post are by same person

>>93165973
I'm pretty sure some people are just flip flopping opinions on account of them just hating all of the girls to fit a narrative that supports it. Were trolls always dynamic like this?

>>93165973
I posted this and every other post in this thread fuck off samefag

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>>93165733
I see. Makes sense; I did notice an increase. I usually attribute it to changs/kims but yours does explain the sudden rise, probably being compounded by the changs/kims.

>>93166236
It's not that, everyone knows Japan is flawed. It's that a swindler has to tell them lies and they take it and run.

>>93161088
This implies normal people wish to reduce their meat intake. This is not true.

>>93165324
>side with the talent not with the corp ok
>erm no, talents can't have any positive opinions about their corps, they're clearly being forced to say good things you bootlicker

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>>93143041
Cover didn't sleep on Chloe either but likely with Fauna it's because she's close to pic related. Cover was either trying to be really careful to not offend or caught Fauna talking to Gura about leaving together. If the latter has weight it would explain the rift people talked about seeing with Fauna and her gen. Gura leaving so close after Ame and Fauna would destroy Holo EN. Promise and Advent are not as affected since they haven't bond with Gura much/yet and didn't built up EN. But Council did. Kronii is the last member of Snot, the collab Gura couldn't make happen--and Gura made Unisea happen for her birthday. Kronii being more affected than Bae and Irys by whatever happened with Fauna lends weight to Gura being involved.

>>93157819
Bae is such a bootlicker it's unreal kek

>>93167426
When did anyone say this? Why are you making people up again?

>>93153966
what

>>93167664
>>93167615
Pottery

>>93167487
It's going to be a very very different /vt/ the day Gura speaks out in some way shape or form. The warning signs are more or less there and Chumbuds just aren't getting the hint at all, just defending the corporation.

>>93167721
And worse off they're pressuring Gura to say that the 4 most recently graduated talents are whores and that she's obliged to sever all ties with all of them, even after Hololive.

>>93167487
>&

>>93159345
>they only manage to enrage them even more
great job

>>93143041
Retard

>>93159345
Technically, that already started on the JP side with Chloe’s announcement a couple days earlier, which makes OP an even more retarded faggot.

>Aqua
I think people cared, but their concerns were brushed aside with speculations about her personal life, chink hate or Cover turning into a purely idol focused company
I think she said she didn't plan on streaming at all afterwards, but saw her fan requests to do so
>Ame
affiliate title confused people
she rarely streamed as much as other hololive members
Dooby said she got some animation awards for some of the work she done, so people could have speculated she left for other pastures

>>93167615
fuck
I like Bae, but change doesn't always equal growth

>>93162826
I’d say with the idol stuff she might have been interested on a certain level, but she might have felt like she couldn’t measure up to the other girls. Maybe a better manager could have helped her get past that, maybe not.

>>93165121
They're fucking worse.
Japan is China Lite regardless.
>>93165313
Hilarious you say that, if it weren't for Ksons actions Cover would be a nobody outside of Japan, only hovered by a bunch of retarded clipples with barely ESL English at the best of times.
Hololive were a tiny chunk of the vtuber threads back before Gen4 dropped, even after the slight bump from annoying Azur Lane cunts.

>>93168454
Yes, she literally explained all of that at the end
>imposter syndrome
>her friends were on another level (in terms of idol-related talent)
Being neglected by her manager and management in general didn't help in terms of motivating her when she already wasn't in good headspace about those things, and if her strongest point is streaming, she can do it on her own.

>>93167721
This board will be a nuclear hellscape if she drops out.
I might buy popcorn in prep.

>>93168454
Probably. There's been quite a few cases of that over the years from several people feeling down, feeling like they couldn't match up to others, especially in regards to singing.
I'm sure Noel in particular has brought up several times her singing abilities and wanting to get better, with the usual brainworms. Not surprising given her.

>>93165434
Fuck you I cared about them all you are a faggot

>>93168454
She's not very good, but she had a few songs she at least sounded bearable in. Let Me Stay Here is actually horrible for her voice, it's so high pitched that she has nowhere to go in it. But at least they can work with it in post for production, but if she goes forward with that kind of stuff, she'll have less resources to spend hours tweaking her recordings.

Since EN actually cared about Fauna. Bitch all you want, but the majority of EOPs only care about EN talents.
Considering JPs financial situation, no JP company wants to fuck with upsetting the US money. Fauna was in the top 5 of their most popular/profitable Vtubers from EN.

>>93168864
I believe you. I don't believe your peers.

>>93168907
Just make her sing more silly EN songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTg3Gy2z3vI&list=PLn6TrKNDrkXw1GODBE7-xPwU0vEIFSnBL&index=6

>>93163364
I have more than you think retard.

>>93165926
That's what bootlicker doing damage control over what someone else said looks like.

>>93143041
It wasn't just because of her. Fauna was just middling success. At the end she was one of the several talents that graduated this year and Cover obviously saw the backlash starting to form.

>>93143434
I’m beginning to think some people aren’t just pretending to care about “the twitter follows” for the Bit…

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Fauna was the last one so it was kind of the straw the broke the camel's back after the others had gradually raised tensions. She was also the most blunt about having problems with management; the others all accused some variation of management issues or "company direction" but it was just one item on a list of things and kind of downplayed. While Fauna just started her announcement stream, literally said "the reason is disagreement with management" as clearly as possible and left. This sent the fans into defcon 1 thinking their beloved corpo was crumbling down so it needed addressing.

>>93170548
Ngl these graduations and the management issues stated soured Hololive for me and I'm starting to dislike them even more now that I'm seeing such blunt in your face damage control. I don't believe the girls are cared for as well as they should be anymore.

>>93170206
lol no you haven't.

>>93165524
You’re delusional

>>93157819
Sui-chan is so full of shit here. I'd give anything to have Gura stream regularly.

>>93171610
>I'd give anything to have Gura stream regularly.
You can kill all the other chumbuds and she probably would love back to stream for a non-deranged audience.

Like any holo girl is gonna let any graduate ruin the gravy train.
Though if I'm being honest it doesn't really matter, they don't have to play damage control, fans will defend the corporation over the girls every single time.

>>93167615
She's desperate to "make it" and streaming is just a start for that.

>>93167721
>I’ve come to make an announcement: Hololive is a bitch-ass motherfucker...

>Americans joining sea into attacking one of their own.
American betray everything and everyone as if that's supposed to be hidden forgotten knowledge.

>>93170725
Not one Hololive fan here cares about the girls. Just the company.

>>93174526
This unironically

>>93143551
real

>>93165434
Aqua had also been at it longer compared to either Chloe or Fauna; vtubing as a medium is still relatively young so having someone leave their role after doing it for 6 years at that point is not a particularly unexpected thing. And people absolutely cared about Ame because she had been around since the start of EN and absolutely earned the "La Creatitividad" moniker at the time. Chloe had a bad spat of health issues over the past year so her announcement while upsetting also wasn't that much of a shock either.

Fauna's graduation announcement riled the hornet's nest because of her proximity to Chloe's announcement which came not 48 hours earlier, and that she would also be leaving before Chloe too. Pair that up with the initial announcement not specifying any particular reasoning past outside of "differences with management", and you're left with a combination of concerned fans and dramafags running with the worst possible interpretation. The other EN girls saying "our experiences are unique" is not the management deepthroating you're trying to portray it as.

>>93143166
bootlicking faggot

>>93143041
Might have something to do with this selfish bitch deflecting from the real reason and blaming management without elaborating further.

>>93174526
I care about the girls and I'll stop being a Hololive fan soon if I feel like they are being mistreated

>>93177687
And you know the real reason because you're a mind reader and it's not management despite the several times she complained about her manager on stream

>>93175104
Is there any problem with just questioning management? How things may have blew up too quickly without the feelings of others considered? Or no, are those who say that just ungrateful whores who should leave in the name of defending company honor? I'm getting really tired of this endless defense for Cover. I like Hololive, but I have a right to be worried about what has changed compared to say, 2020-2023.
>>93177860
Hololive isn't bad. Cover probably is not a black company, but to say they're both perfect is what bothers me when it's clear there are some problems lingering today.

>>93178011
The reason is she was unsatisfied being tied down by the walled garden and desires to follow Dooby and be a Twitch clique faggot. Really shameless of her to deflect and hurt the other girls. Even if I'm wrong and she actually did graduate because of management she shouldn't have said that because all it does is hurt the girls she leaves behind. She is such a fucking cunt.

>>93171610
Fuck does Sui have to do with Gura not streaming?

>>93178081
>replying to Startendschizo

>>93143041
it baffles me that people unironically still watch female streamers

>>93178077
>Even if I'm wrong and she actually did graduate because of management she shouldn't have said that because all it does is hurt the girls she leaves behind

Are you actually a brainwashed cult follower?!? Yeah, she shouldn't have said THE TRUTH despite it being THE TRUTH because you don't enjoy THE TRUTH. Are you serious? No, her saplings deserved her honesty, Hololive fans deserve her honesty, not everyone wants to live in fantasy-play-pretend land while their oshis are not having the manager support they should have.

>>93178217
Same. Unicorns should stick to watching Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes instead. They're not helping themselves out watching Hololive.

>>93178279
I don't believe words I believe actions. She can't just give a vague reason like "because of management" and expect me to believe her. She's tied down by an NDA. I'm not going to connect the dots for her. She can come clean and tell the full story or fuck off.

>>93178279
Sadly this is what almost all of the Hololive fans here have been reduced to. Their oshi is the company. The girls, according to them, are all expendable. And nothing matters in the end but the corporation.

>>93143041
it baffles me people still pretend to give a shit on the catalog. most holos have already said they love it here, those who are getting tired of it are leaving, hololive will go on and people will keep supporting their oshi, exholos will go on and they will continue having a sizeable audience, it doesn't fucking matter. go watch your oshi or go to sleep or something.

>>93178419
True

>>93178419
You still replied

>>93178419
Looking at a catalog thread is like peering into an alternate reality. You’re not going to find actual discussion or information, just shitposters gaslighting each other.

>>93144605
>>Ina treats this as a side job she doesnt need but still disagrees with Fauna
Ina had a 3 month "health" break from a forgotten work phone and 2 years later another mysterious break when Cover "forgot" her work visa. Don't think she had any choice on running damage control when she is already on thin ice with management. Fans are getting skeptical and management twisted arms to get the other EN talents to praise Hololive.

>>93178419
You're right but people will pit Holos and exholos against each other regardless and the war will never end.

>>93178419
The catalog is literally unusable at this point. I don't know if it was ever good, but I think at this point it would be better to just completely remove it. Just make /vt/ like /vg/ and only have generals allowed. No good discussion happens here, no good information dispersed, it's just a cesspool of trolls trolling trolls. Get rid of it.

>>93185466
Are the big generals any better? Seems like they're unmoderated and full of crabs in a bucket people too

>>93178284
Both are cringe though

>>93178046
Where are you seeing this supposed unconstitutional praise of "management"? I don't see it. People can call Fauna a dumbass for leaving whilst also calling cover management out as the retards they are, and there is ample proof of that. That latter fact has been known for years.

>>93178279
>No good discussion happens here, no good information dispersed, it's just a cesspool of trolls trolling trolls. Get rid of it.
First time on this site? It's been like this for a decade minimum.

>>93167615
didnt she have a panic attack on stream because of work

>>93188824
It's misplaced priorities. You'll defend management for something that could have been prevented and you'll trash management for something that's beyond their control.

>>93153218
>EN's talked about their good relationships with their managers and JP's talked about how they had the freedom to prioritize what they wanted and that they were not overworked
Bizarre shit

>>93178419
>most holos have already said they love it here
That level of damage control is really hard to believe when only a few months ago Ina was having to be careful with her words when Cover forgot to renew her work visa. Gura is still refusing to stream and Mumei has joined her with only an occasional collab. Actions speak louder than words so they are clearly still fighting with management.

>>93189368
Examples? Proof?

>>93189645
>4 holos leave in rather quick succession
>people understandably start worrying
>but people are fucking retarded and worrying turns into spamming doomposts
>holos have to chime in to tell them to cut it out and to chill
>doomposters take it as le damage control and start spewing headcanons, shitposters roll with it
thanks for proving my point.

>>93143166
fippy bippy

>>93189645
And yet they are still in holo. Despite Ina's problems she shows no signs of leaving. Gura's had one foot out the door for 3 fucking years but she's nominally still there. She's even singed up for another Fes instead of checking out now before all the hard work needs to be put in.
Actions do speak louder than words and the fact that none of the girls you mentioned have quit says it all: whatever issues they have do not outweigh continued employment with the company. Fauna's problems, whatever they are, obviously did and she threw in the towel.

People can have problems with something and yet also not want that thing to burn to the ground; it doesn't have to be some black and white ultimatum every single time.

>>93185546
This, it's just schizo samefag on A hate B. I wish jannies just snipe them, it's funny when it happen and they seeth.

>>93190382
>People can have problems with something and yet also not want that thing to burn to the ground; it doesn't have to be some black and white ultimatum every single time.
this
screeching sharting entitled children itt lacking nuance due to limited life experience

>>93190382
>And yet they are still in holo. Despite Ina's problems she shows no signs of leaving. Gura's had one foot out the door for 3 fucking years but she's nominally still there.
Management did twist arms to get Ina to go that far in defending Hololive. My guess is they threatened to delay her model redesign since that would be a strong incentive for her to run damage control.

>>93185208
COVER fucking her over made her even LESS willing to do Damage control not more.

All Ina has to say on stream is "I'm thinking about joining her" and there would be mass investor panic.

Ina is the one with the power here.

>>93191303
Okay then she graduates and Takos are no longer easy merch options and the stockholders panic.
How is that a win for COVER?

Cultural differences. Ame was already tapped out and left the door open and Fauna felt more abrupt. Someone probably told them not to be indifferent and it worked

>>93191303
You're basically saying that everyone who choose to stay are a sellout bootlicker. Retard

>>93176110
Mori doesn't need cover. Cover needs her. Ergo she's incapable of bootlicking. Therefore Fauna is in the wrong.

>>93191691
>Okay then she graduates and Takos are no longer easy merch options and the stockholders panic.
>How is that a win for COVER?
Hololive is not making the best decisions in 2025 and feels like management made her an offer that she couldn't refuse. The damage control seems forced especially 2 days after a HoloEN graduation. Ina didn't wake up and decide to defend her company for half an hour.

>>93143166
why did anyone fpbp this I can't even parse this ESLglish

>>93190382
>Despite Ina's problems she shows no signs of leaving.
What would you consider a sign of wanting to leave? Not streaming? That's the standard for Myth.
I don't disagree with you that people can have major problems with their workplace but also not want to ditch it all forever but christ you're fucking retarded for bringing up Ina of all people, who got burned far more than she should'va over something completely preventable with Cover kicking her one last kick in the ass afterwards. It was a bad showing through and through, that much is a fact.

>>93178284
based

>>93190497
what if the jannies are the schizos? what will you do then?

>>93191534
isn't Ina a doormat though? I can't actually see her raising conflict with anyone

>>93144605
The Fauna situation is weird because I thought she was one of the most constant and regular streamers, and I think even Polka mentioned this
And iirc, she wrote the halloweEN series and led Promise to kill an ender dragon
I wonder what the management problem was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFxm5Qq7Grs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpuB8vYnvIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR9pvITHH24

>>93189856
He’s providing one with the posts he’s made in this thread.

>>93178081
because she just says talk to your oshi lmao, as if our wishes mattered to Gura

>>93197863
>I wonder what the management problem was
call me schizo but its her attitude.
she knows shes not great at singing but still enjoys it but its not up to par on the level that she wants it to be at
management wants more idol stuff but she wants to do more streaming while she works on her singing

>>93192053
>Mori doesn't need cover.
No? They own the Calliope Mori character
What would she do if she couldn't use it?

>>93185466
This is a containment board.
And I will repeat it, once more for good measure, because it seems you're a retard who doesn't get this.
>/vt/
>is
>a
>containment
>board
We are the same as /trash/. We are the same as /mlp/. We are the same as /bant/. The catalog will eternally be shit because that is the specific intent of this board from its inception.

>>93191534
>COVER fucking her over made her even LESS willing to do Damage control not more.
Unless it was jap corpo bullying tactics and it worked and she'd rather fall in line than make noise

>>93199073
>This is a containment board.
This place doesn't contain fucking shit, a bunch of vtubers (especially indies) are /here/ and stuff constantly leaks to facebook indonesian groups, youtube troll videos and twitter accounts. As a containment board it does a terrible fucking job, so if it's not gonna work then jannies could at least do their fucking jobs.

>>93198634
the fuck does that have to do with what she said? are you stupid? that out of context clip is her saying that if you feel like your oshi is doing things she doesn't want to do because she thinks she's "expected to" then you should tell her she doesn't have to (i.e. wants to stream but feels like she has to do concerts all the time). if gura doesn't want to stream in the first place then you're shit out of luck.

>>93199231
It is a containment board, but not in the way you're thinking. The purpose of /vt/ was to contain vtuber discussion and kick it off the other boards. /a/, /jp/ , and other boards got so fed up with vtuber discussion, it forced hiromoot to make a /vt/ board.

>>93199447
>kick it off the other boards
>/sp/ and /v/ regularly have vtuber pics and even vtuber OPs
>hlg still exists in /jp/

>>93199500
/jp/ is completely different than it was just before /vt/ was created. You can't even deny this.

>>93162941
>>93176110
Uh oh sapkek melty

>>93162941
>*I* don't like this data so it's INVALID. MOM MAKE THEM STOP POSTING THINGS THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH REEE

>>93185466
>at this point

>>93199231
I don't think you understand what the term containment board means if you think it has literally anything to do with factors outside of 4chan.

>>93199500
>kicking things off boards = blanket immediate ban
newfagchama...

>>93143551
trvke

>>93143041
you did see what cucklings were capable of? kek

>>93194863
>What would you consider a sign of wanting to leave? Not streaming?
What would you? Has she said anything recently that has implied otherwise? Think retard:,would she have jumped to Cover's defence, in her own way, if she was planning to skip imminently? Would she have agreed to participate in Fes, with will all the arduous shit that that entails, even after her visa problem or whatever it was? If she was going just going to leave because of cover's fuckup? If she was so furious with management she'd not commit to staying until March the year after her own management problem occurred.
Try to use some critical thinking please.

>>93143166
THE Mori "big fan of Shaka and VCR regular" Calliope?

>>93157819
Why are people making a big deal out of that Northernlion cameo-tier video message when things like this exist and happen regularly?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odY4EbDwoVY

>>93209278
kys ESL shitstirrer

Because they knew she is graduating out of getting bored with the Fauna character and that her fanbase is going to lose it when they see the new one.
This is not like the other recent graduations where the new version is basically the same, saplings will fucking lose it. I'm lowkey expecting her to essentially admit she graduated because of the craziness in her fanbase.

The samurai fears the white woman

>>93143041
What I want to know is why literally everyone was cool with her at graduation but actively avoided mentioning her name when discussing her graduation announcement. To the point it was clear Cover told them not to.

>>93210378
>why
>Cover told them not to

>>93210402
What I really meant is why did they tell them not to mention her by name?

>>93202592
To be fair, /mlp/ was one of the comparisons made.

>>93159444
People who throw hissy fits about vegans are just as annoying as vegans forcing their lifestyle on others. Unless this is a 60 iq ironic shitpost since you used a nazi and all.

>>93210864
Ah yes so many forced plant only lifestyles out there. Totally not just meat fanatics having a 100% overlap with retarded nazipigs who fried their brain.

>>93161088
>vegans/vegetarian people who don't judge others
Don't exist

>>93185466
Based. Catalog on /vt/ has just become a bunch of schizo tribalists trying to one up everyone and drag popular vtubers down. They just throw shit at a wall to find something to stick then ham fist it through even if it doesn't make sense. /vt/ is almost the anti-vtuber board at this point. I say get rid of it and make it all generals.