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>>37717336
Previous thread >>37640764

You wake up and remember that the new creation is officially here. And you know it’s here. The moment you open your eyes, it feels like you’ve always been here, yet there’s the knowledge that just ‘yesterday’ the world was finally judged for the final time, and all evil now completely destroyed. Perfect harmony now. Paradise.

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Has anyone read this? Any good? Was recommended by someone I trust but can't see anything else from the author

>>37717538
No clue but it looks a bit New Age-lite
Just read The Cloud of Unknowning

>>37717336
>Indeed, this ability requires a wonderful dignification in men. For that intellect which is in us, the highest mind of the soul is the only operator of wonders. When it is overwhelmed by the commerce of excessive flesh and occupied by the sensible soul of the body, it does not merit the command of divine substances. Thus, many who pursue this art are frustrated.
From Agrippa's Third Book of Occult Philosophy

>>37718470
>Some of it is all over the place.
Like what?

>>37718470
Also, where do you buy this stuff?

How do I get indulgences\ spiritual merit or virtue when being near a relic? my church has a set of relics from san juan's hospital order. Do I touch the glass and pray? how does it "work"?

>>37718552
Have you tried asking the priest?

>>37717538
I've not read this, but Martin Laird is a very good contemporary author on contemplative prayer, so if he wrote the foreword, I'm guessing it can't be a bad book.

>>37718483
For example, his world history and his ideas about the 7 congregations. He is one of Denmark's keen writers, I don't even know if there is a number on all the stuff he wrote. People these days would give him a yard long list of diagnoses. Most Danes only know Grundtvig through "Den danske folkehøjskole" and then Reich.
He is really hard to read for a 21st' century Dane.

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>>37717336
Can I use Christian Esotericism to bring one of God's visions into physical form?

>>37719133
Depends on what you mean by that

>>37717336
Videos on Gnosis, its various types (SPG, UPG & VPG) and Gnosticism:

https://youtu.be/0F7knBtLsNs
https://youtu.be/260L-DEZVQ0
https://youtu.be/diHf_Tup6tE

>>37717083
This idea is as old as Christianity, but fundamentalists will ignore it anyway

>>37719792
When a man dies, nothing changes except that he becomes more intimately aware of what was going on in his heart all along. This does not change the fact that Hell is absolutely a place of torment, albeit an internal one.

where does Kierkegaard stand?

>>37720407
He is a knight of faith.

>Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
In a way, it is a strange sort of gift to be given over to the disease of sin in this world, because how else could such lovely stories of turning toward the good be told?

>>37720763
Yes. They all always have a lot of conspiracies about Emperor Constantine creating all of this too. Not realizing he was an Arian and friend of Arius himself. He was hoping the Council wouldn't have been as one sided, if anything. But he didn't act up too much over it. His son was Arian too and he tried to undo it all.
I respect Orthodox despite calling him a saint (Catholics don't), but his mother was the true saint.

>>37720407
>>37720534
I'm not so sure. Maybe he did find it in himself towards the end of his life, but in his writings, he stood in awe of the Knight but didn't see himself as one (yet).

>>37720407
Kierkegaard through Hans Lassen Martensen can be considered a theosopher, but his critique of Martensens focus on reconciling Theology with Philosophy makes him more of a Mystic like Meister Eckhart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYRa2HPkMt8

I have a question anons, appreciate your input.

I have recently left New Age shit behind to return Christ. I have noticed considerable more peace and good fortunes coming my way. I know the way is Jesus.

I went to a Jesuit silent retreat and had a great experience, felt closer to God after I returned.Thing is I have found online and after watching some Christian Orthodox videos that Jesuits have more sinister intentions and the way of christians is actually suffering and to reject all the easy ways of the world. I can get what he means by that but its becoming clear that there are way more roads within the Christian umbrella as I knew. Are there some demonic in nature? What is the simplest way to know you are in the right path without adding more complexities?

>>37726326
Read the bible first before you listen to random internet opinions. Fortune is fickle, faith is beyond knowledge.

>>37726326
Jesuit conspiracies were created by Protestants because the Jesuits (formed by St. Ignatius) dismantled their arguments and slowed the Reformation. If not Jesuits, then also those who were educated among the Jesuits. And there are many of those too. It's a big reason why France remained Catholic, in particular.
They were also highly productive missionaries, but one of their strategies was to find the common ground and relate it to the Gospel. Just as St. Paul himself did in the Bible:
>I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.-1 Cor 9:22
He wasn't interested in bringing people to any "culture" but to Christ himself. So Jesuits tried to do the same, but over time, got accused of being too flexible. There's an argument to made for that, but they meant well. They didn't think it necessary to transform Indians or Asians into Europeans per se.
Pope Francis is a Jesuit himself, and speaks like one sometimes. I think he's spot on, personally. Christ brings out the best in everyone. People don't have to change their entire culture:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nvzWzFDeN8

Orthodox are cool, but they are not as successful with missions as Catholics like they were in the earlier centuries of the Church. And each of their regional churches are so nationalistic that it's very intertwined with religious practice.

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>>37726491
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt2PPZEI9Q0

>>37726460
faith and beliefs are below, not beyond, knowledge (or rather, experience)

you are an idiot

>>37726491
“Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior"- The Apostle Paul

Jesuits are a gang, like all esoteric orders. Your Pope, the Catholic Church, and all organized religion, are gangs.

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>>37726518
You could point to any individual, but Catholics as a whole have staved off Freemasons more than any group in the world. It is Catholic nuns and priests who suffered and died in droves in the first Masonic revolutionary movements like in France. It is Catholics who don't give this wide berth to Israel like Evangelicals do, and is put on full display currently right now. It is Catholics who have codified into Canon Law that you are excommunicated if you join a Masonic lodge. As in, you lose all grace unless you repent. No other churches have the authority to even try this, while Catholics will crack down on it. And even if they had the capability, none of the major Protestant sects ever speak strongly against it: Episcopal, Methodist, etc.. Pointing to some guy's supposed hand signs while blatantly ignoring huge patterns in history and canon law is ridiculous.

>>37726568
They are not all that esoteric. They're very practical. Whether the Ignatian spirituality or the missionary principles I just told you about.

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>>37726588
The RCC as a whole was the quintessential Conservative institution in the West for a long time, but it totally caved in just as rapidly as the rest in the 60s. Now a man sitting in the Chair of St Peter will just publish something like this.

>>37726718
Cracked. Thanks for posting this in my stead.

>>37726588
No other church "tries" it, because they understand they do not have the right to grant themselves an authority that is not directly bestowed by God. Where does the Pope derive the legitimacy of his office?

Where would a beginner start with esoteric Christianity? My background is Methodist.

>>37726718
>The RCC as a whole was the quintessential Conservative institution
Good riddance then

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A bump for you wannabe mystics.

>>37720534
How does one become like that?

Tldr on Pentecostalism and Pentecostals.

>>37729055
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/45jRB6Dvn1A

>>37729055
Mystics but with k-pop

https://truthforsaints.com/is-pentecostalism-a-denomination/

>>37726491
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/12/26/review-the-jesuit-order-as-a-synagogue-of-jews-part-one/

https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/12/27/review-the-jesuit-order-as-a-synagogue-of-jews-part-two/

>>37726964
Margaret Barker is my favorite esoteric Methodist scholar.

>>37726964
Look into the origins of Methodism, Anglican and Lutheran Mysticism, read William Law and Johann Arndt as a start

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rE9ReIzdYo

>>37729689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-LfINDjMgA

>>37722705
You know your old danish theological history!

I wish God just ended my libido. I don't need it! It's just a burden. It exists for no other reason for me. Not to say I don't have other problems, but they're so much easier to deal with.

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>>37729689
It's interesting that she did this talk for Mormons, but the discovery of these lead tablets is pretty interesting. You're probably well acquainted, I'm sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FJBTEZtxkc

>>37731450
That's a great talk. God bless.

>>37731450
Too add...On a funny note, I sometimes use "saraph" as a screen name (not seraph because it's always taken), before I knew about this. My real name has a similar meaning of smelting and fire but in Celtic (not "Smith" btw).

>>37731511
You too.

>>37730715
that prop skull is really well made

>>37731528
Very cool.

I really want to join a Divine Will group of a church in my city but Im either autistic or disturbed or both. I fear I'll be the odd one out ,in a group of catholic normies (me having paid more attention for years to "theological trivia" than social charity work) ,or I'll be the degenerate newie in a group of really devout people.

>>37731581
It will probably be very friendly. Then again, I don't know your church, but don't psyche yourself out. The fact that some of them will be devout will mean they are probably more understanding than usual. Rather than belligerent.

>>37729689
>>37729735
>>37729851
>>37731450
Thanks a bunch anons.

Barker's IQ must be very high. Even if she was off, applying mystical-multi-spatial reasoning with a requirement for at least two or three languages and a grounding in liturgy and theology on a tablet people had written off as gibberish is extremely impressive. While those who made it even moreso.

>>37731805
At first I thought he was comfy, but I can't read him.

>>37731792
Amen.

>>37729038
Kierkegaard says that you have to take a leap of faith to become one, without going into his thought, to do that you have to perfectly align your Will to God,
>>37730488
In all my time of study i still don't know what the point of Magic in Christianity it
It's either a way to ascend towards God (which makes it useless as there's already Mysticism)
Or it's for after ascending towards God, but then what's the point of it? The only thing i can think of is the raising of the World towards God
>>37730502
I got it second hand from looking into German theology
>>37731432
Maybe God gave you it so that you can overcome it and that way grow stronger?
>>37731581
If they're actually that devout they'll accept you
>>37731805
Very cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTn2_PsIgzY

>>37717336
https://angelicopress.com/products/hellenic-tantra-the-gregory-shaw
Why is this in the Christian Esotericism section?

>>37732640
>Maybe God gave you it so that you can overcome it and that way grow stronger?
You're right, of course.
It's just a lame thing to be plagued with. I quit drugs cold turkey. I don't have the anger I did when I was young. But this? Pathetic. Embarassing.
Maybe I have to "respect" the sin more seriously in order to beat it?

>>37726789
>Where does the Pope derive the legitimacy of his office?
Petrine primacy and Apostolic succession

>>37733545
Libido is just another tool that your body uses to keep us going. Like any other tool, it can be abused or misused and cause us suffering. When you live with a purpose in your heart, lustful cravings stop being the stumbling block that they could be.

>>37734004
>>37726789
>If any of you has a dispute with another, how can you seek judgment before those who are unrighteous instead of before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, how can you consider yourselves as incompetent to deal with smaller cases? Do you not realize that we are to judge angels? Why then should we not deal with matters of this life? -1 Cor 6:1-3
And this apostolic authority that Paul expected the church of Corinth to exercise ultimately comes from Jesus.
>Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.-Matthew 18:18

Bump

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQNM6N7iK6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S2p7KGRKiI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boFsLeQi9n0

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>>37729770
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZxXQ-jQ7UE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2OzJLI1pvY

What's the best introduction to christian mysticism

>>37736264
Bernard McGinn's multi volume work on the history of Christian Mysticism
A shorter one would be Theosophia by Arthur Versluis with is about the whole Mystical-Theosophical tradition
For non academic work, read Theologia Germanica, The Cloud of Unknowning and/or the entire body of work of Dionysius the Areopagite

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>>37736739
This is ridiculous. I'm not the angry Prot who says the same thing, but he's right: some of you need to repent. You're following the path of Simon Magus. Not Simon Peter.

>>37736804
Thank you for caring about my soul. God bless you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya61mhREMM8

>>37736804
It's true that it's pretty cringy but it's just a deck of cards

>>37736804
God is death, and death is a woman.
Santa Muerte didn't just pop up out of nowhere, it speaks to a real aspect of the Divine the Church was not able to accommodate in its liturgies.
Why is it so strange people seek this in new age methods (Tarot)

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>>37736739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72siU3A21rg

https://www.arnellart.com/mary-tarot.htm

https://www.arnellart.com/museodeitarocchi/msdk43.htm

https://bookofmarysacredheart.blogspot.com/p/pilgrimages-to-sacred-sites.html

https://pre-gebelin.blogspot.com/2009/03/allegory-of-lords-mercy.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKygFJFryWE

>>37717336
What is going on in this pic?

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>>37737920
It's this meme but from 150 years ago

does anyone have a good bible reading plan/guide? dont want to be coddled but some direction would be helpful

>>37738082
You can read a few passages one day a week if it's a slog for you, just consider it a slow burn that you slowly make into a regular habit.

>>37738082
If you are from the West you're already familiar with a lot of Bible stories, but I recommend you don't start with the Old Testament
Start with the Gospel of John, maybe read Acts after that, then you can start from the beginning but I also recommend you have commentaries at hand to resolve issues you see (legit ones, not whatever you can on blogs or whatever)

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>>37738082
The reading plan from the "Great Adventure" series (a Catholic bible study, but it's only bible related if you're not Catholic) has a good overview of the narratives. Then you can fill the gaps later. Although I might recommend reading Luke+Acts first. Then start here with Genesis.
You can also mix it up with reading some Psalms inbetween all of these.

What's the status of astrology in Catholicism today?

>>37739013
Old ladies love it
Old Priests hate it
It's best to drop the New Age Astrology and see it through a Paracelsian lense, as our body is the Microcosm to the Macrocosm of the world, Astrology is simply a map of our inner world

>>37739167
But what is considered sinful in that field?

>>37739546
Divination/the belief that you accurately predict the future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_FQ507LZTs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50FeO3R6Lwg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CiJ8L-F7mM

>>37738634
Not the anon who asled for a guide, but I do apprecoate you sharing this infographic with us all. Namaste to you and yours.

>>37736647
I love those saint cards! What are they called and where do you find them? I have seen different kinds here on /x/ they are really attractive.

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>>37717336
I recently began reading the Ginza (Mandean holy book) and find it rather enlightening, like an extension of the old testament that is believable and not just a dry copy offshoot like Joseph Smith's fabrications. Still they deem Jesus a sorcerer and arrogant pretender and only accept John the Baptist as the final prophet. What I appreciate is their veneration and focus on Adam and their creation story and narrative is fascinating too. I also find their weekly baptism rituals very good, water rituals were very relevant in many ancient religions and also Judaism and at least ancient Christianity.

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>>37741718
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2KanIQVOdY

https://www.llewellyn.com/encyclopedia/article/24395

https://poshmark.com/listing/Voices-of-Saints-Oracle-Cards-2004-by-Lo-Scarabeo-OpenedUnused-64a62001ce663f7315ea9bc6

https://www.amazon.com/Voices-Saints-Lo-Scarabeo/dp/0738706108

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1573820101/voices-of-saints-religious-tarot-deck-lo

>>37741776
The irony (I'm the original anon who pointed out the historical enmity with Catholics and Masons) is that I like Luther in many ways. Puritans and many Anglos not so much. They opened the gates to rabbis and Anglicans joined lodges in droves.
Sidenote: all of those Masonic bibles have Anglican and Episcopal roots too. To this day, Oxford still prints them for the lodges. Along with the "Scofield" bible, which is for the shabbos goy and roped in the non-Anglican Evangelicals. A lot of Americans especially. While full blown Masonry is for the WASPs. And Oxford caters to both.
One should question why even in the 21st century, and it's higher learning and liberal tendencies, that Oxford will hold tight to pushing the Scofield bible.

>>37740565
https://www.rtmullins.com/podcast/episode/2540a72a/ep-142-carl-truemans-classical-theistic-pathologies

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>>37742118
Tak, as we say her in Denmark or thanks like the anglos say it.
Denmark is completely devoid of Saints, even Mary with the baby Jesus is only something we see in larger pictures at Christmas and bears no resemblance to icons or places where you can send her a silent prayer. And after 1948's female priests and 60's feminisme, Our Lady is almost hated by the progressive part of the priests because of the view of women they they see in her. Most "priests" in Denmark are women now.
So no Theotokos for us.
Saints became a total no no after the 1536 Reformation.
But I love the Saints!
Pic is a post 68' danish "church". I think it's from 1978.

>>37742118
Heavy prices, I have seen several saint cards here are they all so expensive? The only ones I have been able to find online at reasonable prices have to be bought individually. I think I have to try to familiarize myself with this. But those "voices of saints cards" are incredibly beautiful

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>>37742347
The prices for the Voices of Saints deck are brutal. I posted the ones on the lower end of the range. Abebooks sells them for over $600:

https://www.abebooks.com/9780738706108/Voices-Saints-Scarabeo-0738706108/plp

There was a place that sold them for €21, but they're sold out:

https://www.tarocks.com/products/voices-of-saints-oracle

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>>37742367
Here's one for $175:

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31776389384&searchurl=isbn%3D9780738706108%26n%3D100121503%26sortby%3D17&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title1

>>37742312
I'm very much in the minority here, but I don't quite dislike that architecture. It could be better, but I'm not going to hate. It's not exclusive to Protestants either. A lot of Catholic churches built in the 20th century are like that in America too. What I don't appreciate is something completely plain or resembling a warehouse. At least that still vaguely seems like a church.

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>>37742423
I love our old churches, but even Danish churches built in the 1900s can be incredibly charming - in the last /cge/ I showed pictures from a church built in Copenhagen around 1890-1900 which I like very much.
Here is a picture from inside the modern church built in 1978 where I have a hard time feeling like I'm in a church. I know the congregation down there cares a lot about the church and that is the most important thing not my taste. They are both churches built by the Danish state church, as 90% of the churches here in Denmark are.

>>37742367
Thanks, l will be looking around. As the son of an now dead antiquarian I hopefully have some genes or other abilities that can help. I can always pray

>>37742527
Can't wait for when we get newspaper coverage
Maybe when One Piece ends...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC9MahKUbHA

Bump

Some anon posted about this a while ago
https://youtu.be/t4w8log0HKI

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>>37742642
It's not about when something is built, it's about how it's built
For example look at Neuschwanstein Castle in Germany, it's as pretty as a building possibly can be but you can tell it's not Medieval

>>37742642
It's terrible that many catholic churches look like this or worse

>>37747343
Either that or they set up Gothic ones in Vietnam

>>37742299
I really want to read that.

>>37742294
Very cool

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>>37748568
I may be moving to another area in my (Texas) city. Interesting, they have a nice humble church in the area modeled after the Mission buildings (i.e the Alamo), despite being built in the 60s. My current local parish is one of the more modern churches, but they are great people.

>>37749739
Meant for >>37747343, but I guess it doesn't make a difference.
On a sidenote, there's a Vietnamese diaspora here and the whole community has their own parish. They speak English, so I'm not sure why.

What are your thoughts on Hell here? Any Universalists, Purgatorialists? Infernalism is the one element of Christianity that really gives me pause, I love the Christian life, but I really struggle to reconcile Eternal Hell with Infinite Love. All attempts to seem like sophistry or cope to me (hope that doesn't sound too arrogant) .
I actually feel MORE compelled to live a Christian life and spread the good news when I engaged under hopeful universalism.
What do you guys think?

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>>37749887
>Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny. -Matthew 5:26

>>37749887
Look up Maximus the Confessor Apocastasis

>>37749887
I've only become more Orthodox over time. The last heretical belief I entertained was the preexistence of souls, which I no longer have any confidence in. With that said, your struggle with God on this issue is, like all of them, incredibly petty and stupid. The damned suffer perdition and it is eternal, but obviously that doesn't extend to an infinite amount of time since eternity is the opposite of time. Moreover, since Hell is the evil in a heart arising from the absence of God, the "infinite measure of time" view of Hell implies that there is evil that God will not defeat, despite desiring to do so. It's hard to label that notion anything short of blasphemy. It's absolutely retarded, and you should have been able to figure this out without being spoonfed. Now stop asking questions and trust God to reveal everything to you in the future.

>>37749915
I do need to study the Bible more, which I why I only try to say what I know. David Bentley Hart seems to think it is just obvious that the New Testament supports either Annihilationism or Universalism, but many think he's a 'Heretic' so I don't know. I'll just continue to love God and my neighbour and keep studying.

>>37749933
>The damned suffer perdition and it is eternal, but obviously that doesn't extend to an infinite amount of time since eternity is the opposite of time. Moreover, since Hell is the evil in a heart arising from the absence of God, the "infinite measure of time" view of Hell implies that there is evil that God will not defeat, despite desiring to do so.
Maybe I'm retarded because I just don't understand this.

>>37749943
Hart is a bit too sure of his position, but I do respect him for a lot of other reasons.
That said, that scripture I just quoted is Jesus saying there is a way out of prison, but there is still punishment nonetheless and it's most definitely something to be avoid.
Catholics reconcile teachings on damnation with this passage using purgatory. "New Thought" types and Gnostics would earth itself is the prison and we are reborn until we learn the lessons we need. Orthodox and Protestants don't teach much on the passage afaik.
I would tell you my own personal thoughts and experience, but I've said before that I don't want to make anyone stumble. I would say the more important thing is to avoid this punishment at all costs. Strive to be a saint. It's the only way to win.

>>37750024
say earth itself is a prison*

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>>37749964
I think he's using this definition for eternity:
>a state to which time has no application; timelessness.

>>37749933
Souls are created substances but they preexist as logoi in the mind of God like everything else that exists

>>37749887
You'll have a field day here
https://afkimel.wordpress.com/

>>37749739
That's gorgeous and it's obviously not as expensive as modernist trash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FP5BZy5m0Y

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=watXa8KXJIE

With every passing day i start liking Marsilio Ficino more and more

>>37753420
Renaissance authors seem so interesting, I'm afraid of not being able to get to them, Patristic literature is HUGE

>>37754139
I'm where you're at too, I suppose.
I love Patristics because they comment on scripture so much. By the Renaissance and a bit before, there were more studies of philosophy and theology as whole subjects unto themselves.

I'm beginning to understand that the Son is the true "personal aspect" of God even if the Spirit and the Father are also presented as personal in their own way. He was always the divine face of the Godhead as the "Angel of God," and later became its human face as well. It's hardly any surprise He is the most beloved; I myself find myself turning to Him before the Father or the Spirit.

Is Apyllon a demon or an angel? I'm finding conflicting answers.

>>37754634
The easiest way to rationalize it is this:
God loves himself, subject, verb object
The subject is God, the Father
The verb is loves, the Holy Spirit
The object is himself, the Son
The same way God is One Essence and Three Persons, so 'God loves himself' od three separate words which refer to the same thing
(On the case of loves, we believe that God is simple and is the same as his acts)
>>37755827
He is an angel of the abyss, not of God, so he is a more negative entity than you'd think, generally we consider him to be a demon

>>37756234
https://www.rtmullins.com/podcast/episode/20a47203/ep-128-catholic-integralism-with-kevin-vallier

>>37754634
For us most definitely. Being both God and Man makes Jesus the image and bridge that brings us closer to God and reconciles the Father to humanity, in turn. And by being incorporated to the Body of Christ and sharing in the Spirit of God, humans are graced as children of God.
Those who think we are all children of God by default are sadly mistaken. We are born as children of Death. Even some highly respected teachers forget this sometimes. Especially interfaith proponents. They mean well and I understand they speak in love, but interfaith efforts should only be an invitation to become a child of God. You can't invite people to the family without Christ. And it is not a power they can give anyhow:
>But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. -John 1:11-13

>>37756523
On a somewhat related note, but very loosely, here's another thing that blew my mind about Eucharistic miracles which I didn't pay as much attention to until recently.
All of the blood types of these miracles have an AB blood type, which is the Universal Recipient type.
Jesus absorbs us, if we come to him. We become part of his Body, just as it is said. And he mystically absorbed all of those who accepted him on the cross, to take the pain and punished we deserved. That was US.

>>37756234
>>37756413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HUppk7yI0

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>>37717336
Reading about Renaissance Magic

>>37759148
Very cool graphic.

>>37754634
When you realize that "through him all things were made" in the Creed refers to Christ you begin to see this much clearer

>>37759148
How Christian is it really?

>>37760110
Depends on the author
Gemistos Plethon and Giordano Bruno aren't Christians
Ficino, Pico, Trithemius and Agrippa were, but their work can be put on a spectrum between orthodox and suspect, the image i posted is a general diagram of Renaissance Natural Magic, Planetary influences were accepted during those days even though the fate inherent in Astrology wasn't, the Imaginative Faculty also was accepted and Important
The 'four channels' of mahic also were in their A. form as seen in the diagram, the B. forms are explicitly magical, Talismans are suspect, same with some incantations but names of God in Hebrew and the name of Jesus are fine, the B. Of Vis Musices is only theory applied to Music, and things having Occult Qualities was also accpeted (Alchemy)
Now on their effects, Psychological Subjective ones were alright, not on others unless it was about something like healing (Pico) or Initiation (Lazzareli), Psychological and Psychosomatic effects are both good as seen in the effects of Christian Mysticism, Physical ones ar emore suspect as it's connected to Idols and Talismans
The biggest problem was the use of spirits, if you don't have spirits, be they demons or angels, you're fine for the most part

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-05Wmrqhqjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbZR2g0t0b8

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>>37763503
Nice

>>37763503
nice

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>>37763610
i like denomination autism too. Ready To Harvest is great.

>>37718552
Relics are proof of miraculous events, indulgences are most probably a blasphemy. Looking for ways to game God's creation?

>>37763991
I adore Ready to Harvest. These particular graphics are from Redeemed Zoomer.

God gives you infinite love, if you just stop worrying about things and focus on the present you'll see that the default state of feelings is love. Once you realize that you then can tap into it and redirect it to where you want, even back to God. You never run out of love and you feel you an love even the people you never thought you could. And it's not something you need to meditate years to achieve, but it's rather simple. Just stop overthinking. Thing of love like a electromagnetic wave, god sends ot to all including you, and then you can also send is wherever you want. It's something you can tap on it at will.

>>37749739
A lovely church. It shows that you can still build churches with, for lack of a better word, soul

>>37763991
I like the 'tisme too but I do not agree with most of the setup. Maybe just my retar'tisme..

>Very few battles are lost physically. Battles are lost almost always morally; the real victor like the real loser is the one who believes he is.
- Joseph de Maistre

>>37766718
Also this
>The ancient rites have lost their effectiveness since Christianity appeared in the world. The Christian and Catholic religion, in fact, is the legitimate daughter of Jesus, King of the Mages. A simple scapular worn by a truly Christian person is a more invincible talisman than the ring and pentacle of Solomon. The Mass is the most prodigious of evocations. Necromancers evoke the dead, the sorcerer evokes the devil and he shakes, but the Catholic priest does not tremble in evoking the living God. Catholics alone have priests because they alone have the altar and the offering, i.e the whole of religion. To practice high Magic is to compete with the Catholic priesthood; it is to be a dissident priest. Rome is the great Thebes of the new initiation…
-Eliphas Levi supposedly

>>37717336
Yesterday I was watching a Michael Millerman video on Joseph Ratzinger
In the video he reads an article about a far-right frenchman killing himself on his 70s to protest gay marriage laws in France:
https://www.youtube.com/live/WhWjEesNz94?si=__oKPWTJ5egJChOG
Today I randomly looked through Gornahoor blogposts and found this:
https://www.gornahoor.net/?p=6475
Pretty crazy synchronicity

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>>37742250
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCqiDgRPUjQ

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The mysterious round churches on Bornholm. The island of Bornholm in the Baltic Sea is probably only known to most people because of the explosion of the Nordstream 2 gas pipeline in connection with the conflict between the West and Russia few kilometers from the island. Bornholm hides many historical mysteries, among other things, many believe that the Burgundians originated from the island originally. But where is Bornholm? Just a refresher.

>memed by memiurge

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>>37772681
Those were the round churches we came from. Many explanations have been given as to why they are built in a style that is largely not seen elsewhere in the Nordics or most of Europe. They appear around 1140 and especially since the Knights Templar were the big thing in popular history a few years back, a lot was written about the churches and Templars. There is certainly a connection between the two things, but how much is hard to know because of all the hype and attempts to get tourists to the island. But if there are some who want to poke their nose into some real mysteries, then Bornholm is the obvious place to look.
And remember the Burgundians too!

Pic. Nyker Rundkirke

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>>37772858
Olsker Rundkirke

>>37772858
Maybe the Teutonic Knights made/sponsored them

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>>37772869
I love the pics.

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>>37773069
The architecture and building style is fantastic for such a small island which in theory does not have much importance.

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>>37773069
And thanks.

>>37773133
NTA and unrelated question, but how much German do you understand?
You guys call it Tysk i think?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWVa8JdIQkg

>>37773133
Dubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcZFfaqQKj4

>>37774433
Cool channel
Also dubs

>>37717336
We've had the same Pietist themed thread for awhile, haven't we?
It's funny since Pietism itself is shaking it's fist at me. It speaks to my heart. Wesley, Kierkegaard, arguably Tertullian.

Who's the biggest heretic in this thread?

>>37775460
That'd be you

>>37775455
Another set of dubs
Also Franz von Baader once wrote that Tertullian and Tatian were both influenced by Kabbalah, now where he sees that in Tertullian i literally have no idea

>>37777489
I don't see it either. As much as I admire him, even I don't agree with him entirely - but it's because he's extremely orthodox (especially against anything gnostic). What I admire is his focus on faith. The idea that he and the Montanists in general were considered a heresy though was one of the first tragedies of the Church (maybe not officially declared a heresy, but treated unkindly).

>>37777685
How Tertullian and Origen are treated in the Church reminds me of what happens to Jesus in Dostoevsky's Grand Inquisitor 'story', where the Inquisitor arrests but then later releases him, the same way we consider Tertullian and Origen heretics, but also accept most of their teachings at the same time

Discussion of hellside with demons. Talk with me about Christianity lore please or ignore away.
Talking about underworld drama with "demons". Smart people get it. Dumb ppl make fun pf themselves in a mirror and disappear into sleep.
https://www.twitch.tv/dreamdevildiary

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>>37778532
Montanists as a whole too. The Church has taken some of their brave saints and made them their own, because they're undeniably compelling. But Tertullian was unfortunately the loudest voice and made a scapegoat.

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>>37773197
Most of us have German at school and those who grow up in the southern part of Jutland also grew up with a little German TV (it was more in the past) so most Danes understand German but speak it very badly. We are much better at English, which we all almost all understand and speak almost albeit with a heavy accent. A lot of mostly older people in east Denmark understand Swedish because we grew up with Swedish TV. We had one Danish TV channel and then two Swedish channels that East Denmark could see and then some Germans one that southern Jutland could see.

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>>37778570
>which we all almost all understand and speak almost albeit with a heavy accent.
Except picrel apparently. Great actor.

>>37778570
Beautiful pic.

>>37736804
Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me, for you are setting your mind not on divine things but on human things.

>>37739546
Astrology is about as "sinful" as weather forecasting. It simply reports the archetypal dynamics at play in the collective unconscious. God wouldn't have given us this information if he didn't want us to use it.

>>37778680
I'm not impressed and you can not rebuke me. What now?

>>37778700
Dubs confirm.

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>>37778759
NTA but the problem is overpersonalizing it. We are not the main characters.
I've said it already before in other threads, but I maybe I should say it here: Theo-Drama. Not Ego-Drama. And only by attaching ourselves to God and finding our place in his drama do we have life and meaning.
Which brings me to another point about Mary. The same anon (I presume) is annoyed with me for pointing out the wrongness of some of Marian depictions. Mary is never a "black Madonna" or anything associated with darkness. She is symbolic of the moon, who reflects her Son, and has herself become a light in the darkness.
And like Revelation says, the moon is under her feet, but she shines in the heavens by being clothed with the sun.
This whole passage in itself is astrotheology (not astrology per se) and there is more to it. God will most definitely use these symbols in more ways than one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52hVgs5ykFc

>>37778801
>NTA but the problem is overpersonalizing it. We are not the main characters.
>I've said it already before in other threads, but I maybe I should say it here: Theo-Drama. Not Ego-Drama. And only by attaching ourselves to God and finding our place in his drama do we have life and meaning.
I agree. But, on a temporal level, we are all articulations of archetype. How we choose to articulate that archetype is up to us, to a large extent. But we must comply to the text literally, metaphorically, or in some nominal sense at least. The higher vibration we are, the more degrees of freedom we are afforded in interpreting the text that God has given us. That's what this transitional period is about.

>>37778801
I think Black Madonna is a traditional Catholic depiction.

>>37779270
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna

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>>37779270
It's one thing to have old aged icons and woods turn dark, but not deliberate designs.
But to be kind, pale white Madonnas aren't always good either.

>>37779442
wtf is this and why is it so creepy

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>>37779459
Gloria Vanderbilt.. yeah, creepy lady from old money. Elite of the elites. CNN host Anderson Cooper's mother too (he's one of the kids, but the brother died).
There's some hint that these screwed up paintings of Tony Podesta's featuring tortured children tied to some kind of tiled wall actually happened.... and the place was the Vanderbilt mansion pool.

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>>37779484
Picrel (the mansion pool).

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>>37779489
Forgive me for cursing but holy fuck I thought you were gonna say something about the lady's face being like an aggressive monkey but shit this is some cursed fucked up demon people doing this.

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>>37779513
Sorry bro. This anon >>37778959 talked about us articulating archetypes. I am the Hermit. One of them anyways. Greetings. I have bad news sometimes. I try not to get too much into it.

>>37779552
If all you're doing is sharing good information then you don't have anything to apologize for. I just wasn't expecting the Podesta stuff and all that. Just don't ignore God's gift of free will either, but that's up to you too.

>>37779679
>Just don't ignore God's gift of free will either, but that's up to you too.
I like the idea of freedom, but it just paralyzes me. It's how I became a hermit in the first place. I can't make huge decisions without God's guidance. I don't know how others just go about their way deciding their careers or who to marry or much of anything. So I just sat and waited.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVXIK1xCRpY

Any advice on overcoming spiritual dryness when doing prayers? I used to be able to get so into it when praying an Our Father or a Glory Be, but despite trying really hard to say these, its hard to do it in a sincere and convincing way. Been in this funk for a few weeks now.

>>37778567
Truly a martyr of Christianity inside of Christianity
>>37778570
Sounds like how Finns get to learn Swedish
Speaking of Swedish, i had a Swedish friend who told me of how he grew up with a few German channels
This seems to be pretty common in the North Sea, you all learn each others tongues, from English to Swedish, they're all Germanic ones so that helps as well
>>37779484
>picrel
...Jesus Maria...
>>37780622
The sentimentality involved in prayer isn't important, what is important is the result of prayer, just think of this as a test, if you go on and continue as usual and don't get overcome by sloth, you will be rewarded

>>37779270
>>37779282
https://www.interfaithmary.net/black-madonna

>>37779442
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>>37779489
Pizzagate is real. And the Black Madonna is the antidote to all that Satanic shit.

>>37781173
It's less about pizzagate specifically being real and more about most of 'higher society' (rich people, their artist friends, etc...) being a bunch of pederasts, that isn't even something you have to try to prove, it's right there

>>37781820
Yes. And the Black Madonna is the antidote to that.

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>>37778603
Only see Nikolaj play at a little theater here in Denmark in the 90'
We made some good movies and had some good actors 20-30 years ago and all det dogme movie stuff came out of Denmark.
Not really seen any movies the last 15 years but this Dane i know became famous out in the big World.

>>37783963
Nikolaj is the best thing about Game of Thrones. Complicated character that's both villain and hero at times. And he does a flawless posh British accent. The series itself is hit and miss though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15-op9n7FO8

Sorry to derail too much.

https://www.montserrat-tourist-guide.com/en/attractions/black-madonna-montserrat-spain.html

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>>37773207
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ek0M02_614

>>37785460
Almost reminds me of Enya's "The Celts". There's a legend that they were some of few pagans that rejoiced in hearing the Gospel. Like they were always prepared for it and the new world it would bring.
In any case, Enya's beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGwUpsyDJTk

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Tolkien was trying to tell us something about this too. I think I posted this before. It's how he helped lead CS Lewis to the truth too.

>>37785654
Very cool.

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>>37785652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrsYwdtsV8w

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>>37785734
Lakota always seemed close to an age old truth. The Great Spirit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYxoQmJMXgA

>>37785686
Tolkien is revealing the secret of magic in that quote

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>>37717336
New thread >>37787149