You can either choose resentment or gratitude.If you love one piece of art, one moment in this world, one experience of beauty, you have to accept every form of ugliness and evil as necessary in the creation of that which you love. Alternatively, you can reject the world, every joy you've ever felt, all the art that ever will be created, every possible beauty which could ever be, and instead hope that you'll isekai into a world without any ugliness or evil.The only people who ever would choose the second one have come up with it in the first place, are slaves, the poor, the ugly, the deformed, or other wretched people who long for death. Your priestly spirituality is a suicide bombing against the wealthy, the happy, and the beautiful.This is your choice. Strength or weakness. Wealth or poverty. Self-love or self-hatred. Beauty vs plainness. Something vs nothing. Hope vs hopelessness. Choose life or death.
>>42007235Earth is a mixed bag and refusing to acknowledge the bad gives evil forces permission to keep fucking up things.
>>42007235If you want to choose the second option then remember, you must deny and hate in your heart everything beautiful, exciting, funny, interesting, arousing, and amazing in this world.
semetic line of thinking
>>42007235false dichotomy
>>42007235>If you love one piece of art, one moment in this world, one experience of beauty, you have to accept every form of ugliness and evil as necessary in the creation of that which you love. "According to the Codes of Mephala there can be no official art, only fixation points of complexity that will erase from the awe of the people given enough time. This is a secret that hides another. An impersonal survival is not the way of the ruling king. Embrace the art of the people and marry it and by that I mean secretly have it murdered."Your worldly "happiness" is fleeting. Anybody who is beautiful and strong in their youth eventually returns to dust. You can't take your wealth into the afterlife. There's more to this world than a full stomach and empty balls, you're trapped in materialism. This doesn't mean the world is all love and peace, and I believe life is worth living, but your mindset is wrong.
>>42007250Acknowledge that evil is entirely essential for the good. Beauty can't exist without ugliness. Dualism is foolish and misguided. Every concept, every definition is an arbitrary and subjective severing of a primordial unity. The unspeakable and unknowable unity called "truth."When you praise "goodness" in this world, you're praising evil without realizing it. When you enjoy beauty, you're affirming, even creating, the ugly. Jesus and Buddha were the only people who truly understood this.
>>42007235These options make no sense. Its like you're convinced that this world is unchangeable and any other subsequent world must follow the same rules. And that both things "existing" means they are right there in front of you and apart of your life. Good things are good because they are good, simple as. Nice art is nice because it is that, not because it is not ugly. You just look at it and go "that's nice". Love is great because its great, its not good only in contrast, its good because its good. Great things have an intrinsic connection to our souls and we enjoy them. The bad things are not a requirement, but knowing they could exist can make things better sure. You can take any good thing and say well if I didn't have it things would suck.Ask anyone in poverty if they'd like some free money. Like if they won the lottery or something. They'd 100% take it and use it and better their life and probably those around them. Are they week and failures in your mind for picking the objectively better life and rejecting the the idea that there poverty is actually a good and necessary thing of life? Go and ask the slaves, the poor, the ugly, the deformed, or other wretched people if they're happy being those people just to make the opposite people better. Is it okay for some to have lesser lives just for that in your mind? If you were god and make a world are you telling me you'd deliberately make people have these negative traits because for some reason the positives are meaningless without them? Awful.It sounds like you're just coping super hard about a world you can't change and convincing yourself that the things that are ugly and evil being there is actually a good thing, solely because you have so little power to make a world where the bad things aren't there but the good things are still good. Going into another world of just good things is always the better option, especially considering you're armed with direct experience of what the bad things are.
suffering builds character in an insufferable world
>>42007285Cope. Suffering just makes you a broken person, only capable of making more broken people. "Going to the ball crushing factory everyday builds character"Life shouldn't be this way for human beings. The world as it is is hell.
>>42007275But didn't I say that? You either hate this world or accept its beauty and ugliness all at once. If you accept life, you accept death. If you can hope, you open yourself to despair. All of this is what we have, and you can either accept it with grace or reject it like a stubborn child.>>42007265Abraham started this anti-world death cult.
>>42007296You're autistic, that's why you're obsessed with the black and white style of thinking. "It's either A or it's B and there's no room for any nuance", that's you. It's not all or nothing anon. I know you probably just skim read Nietzsche and think you know everything about life, but having empathy for people having a hard time in our completely man-made system designed for neurotypicals is a good thing. And the other anon here is right, people who think like you are usually the most miserable out of anybody. Look at how Nietzsche ended up.
>>42007316>>42007296Also, you being autistic explains the faggy anime pictures.
>>42007295I agree, suffering is pointless in an insufferable world even though you have to go through it
>>42007295"Only great pain, the long, slow pain that takes its time... compels us to descend to our ultimate depths... I doubt that such pain makes us "better"; but I know it makes us more profound... In the end, lest what is most important remain unsaid: from such abysses, from such severe sickness, one returns newborn, having shed one's skin... with merrier senses, with a second dangerous innocence in joy, more childlike and yet a hundred times subtler than one has ever been before.">>42007281Your assumption about my position is right. No other world is possible. There are many reasons for this, but one is that beauty, good, evil, pain, and pleasure do not exist in objects outside of yourself. They are born from your own subjective judgements. The fact that you consider beauty to reside within a piece of art, and not within your heart IS the first misconception. It's fetishism, giving the qualities that can only come from the living soul, to dead matter. As such, wherever your soul goes, the world as you experience it will follow. The noble soul creates a noble's world, the slave creates a slave's world. There is nowhere to run from yourself.
>>42007316The only dualism I believe in is that there are two kinds of people, those who believe in dualism and those who don't. I reject dualism and accept that both the black and the white come from one whole --even that of dualism. No one can fully affirm the world or fully reject it except a Christ or Antichrist-like figure which is inherently beyond human possibility. Empathy is the guilty conscious of the strong. If I was weak, I'd want help to become strong, which may require cruelty instead of pity.Nietzsche watched his brother and father die suddenly of unexplainable illnesses and live knowing that it would take him at any time. He lived in constant pain and suffering that often didn't even let him have the energy to write. He made a philosophy that helped him love the horror of his own life until the bitter end.Also, projecting much?
>>42007337>The noble soul creates a noble's world, the slave creates a slave's world.You can delude yourself all you want, at the end of the day you're still posting here on 4chan with the rest of us plebs instead of getting high on adrenchrome with your pedo buddies like you want. Your assumption that life as it is now is the way it's always been is also utter bullshit. I'd recommend you read but you probably don't have the attention span for it. Evil isn't necessary for beauty to exist on this planet, this place is hell but it has the potential to be paradise. In fact, if anybody here is a slave it's you anon. You love the shackles they put on you and you're defending your masters like the good nigger cattle you are, but the fact that you're here debating your viewpoint shows you aren't as committed to it as you think.
>>42007337No other world may be possible but different experiences are.
>>42007382New experiences are possible and they would be predicated upon what's come before. The idea that a wholly different world is possible outside this one, is a proposition which has no logical supposition. Again though, it's YOU which creates the world through the judgment of your own experiences. You own the interpretation of the world which has very little to do with the actual material reality of the world.
>>42007396And see anon this whole discussion come down to your BS definition of what "the world" actually is. To you the world is as you experience it, not the physical place (which may not actually exist). If bob hates the world he can't escape it even if he gets Isekaied to another planet because he is still Bob. You are intentionally deceiving people with your definition and you know it. TLDR: my world is awesome but this Earth experience is mid and given the chance I will change the channel
>>42007382Remember, it's your soul that creates experience. You can change your experience by revaluating how you assign meaning to the world. By placing this sacred treasure into the hands of the world, you'll only rob yourself of the only power you'll ever truly have. All values come from the soul. The world is dead flesh we use to amuse ourselves with. If you can't accept the world, you'll never ascend above it.
>>42007337>The fact that you consider beauty to reside within a piece of art, and not within your heart IS the first misconceptionArt was just an example I used. What I was trying to say is that true joy and love for things comes form this intrinsic part of ourselves. You can break down any experience in to the sum of our senses and we still couldn't quite give a flawless answer on why we truly love the things we do. I believe its because there's a bit of God in all of us that can instinctively recognize goodness in whatever it may be. Once I die my soul is free from this world, there will only be myself and its creations. And there will be no negatives in mine. If I have to be a slave in your eyes to enjoy a free world with no burdens or negatives then so be it. The reason on you seem to think this is implausible is because you don't believe that new things are possible outside of yourself. As though existence is finished and all it is is just the sum or rearrangement of your previous experiences. That you are finished and finite. This is so silly because who you are right now was not entirely all you, as in the world was something outside your control that you learned from and used to become yourself (or at least as far as you are consciously aware). According to you good things must create bad things because I came from a world where such a premise is true, so I either have to accept that or deny it. Its like saying that if I were a god and I were to say "show me something new" that it wouldn't be possible as I couldn't possibly know what the new thing is without already knowing it. But it IS possible, because anything is possible. But existence is not so limited. God is infinite and so is existence. There CAN and IS a world that have good things with no consequence. Love can be felt and enjoyed with no cost. You don't even need to know how or why, but it just can't. As long as you continue to limit yourself, you'll never be able to be in such a world.
>>42007448If you can teach me how to get orgasms from the color green I will yield.
>>42007235black and white shit perspective
>>42007235>one experience of beauty, you have to accept every form of ugliness and evil as necessary in the creation of that which you love.can you elaborate on this? My love for some works has only pushed me each time to hate the world as a whole for limiting it
>>42007471That's really not such a crazy feat. People cum from bells. You can make a dog drool from a whistle.>>42007449>I believe its because there's a bit of God in all of us that can instinctively recognize goodness in whatever it may be. This is the flawed thinking that leads to a longing for death. "Goodness" is not something that is alienated from your soul, the same as "evil". It's an aesthetic creation of your own making not some unitary transcendental substance. These, like all judgments, are a new creation which you bring forth into the world and are wholy responsible for. Two people can look at the same piece of art and have two entirely different judgements. This is beautiful. This shows that the power of good and evil is our own and not the world's or an external "God's".>And there will be no negatives in mine. Good defines evil and evil good.>As though existence is finished and all it is is just the sum or rearrangement of your previous experiences.This is totally the opposite of my position. We continually create the world anew every day.>Its like saying that if I were a god and I were to say "show me something new" that it wouldn't be possible as I couldn't possibly know what the new thing is without already knowing it. That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that you can't create something new without something old. The idea of a "new" implies an old.>There CAN and IS a world that have good things with no consequence. Love can be felt and enjoyed with no cost.That's true, you can choose to do it right now and nothing is stopping you.
>good needs evildualist taosim
>>42007580The idea that there's some hypothetical world that could create only the things you love and nothing you hate has no empirical evidence. The only thing we have access to is THIS world. The only thing we can prove is THIS experience which is filled with love and hate. The only evidence of good you have is something that exists along side the bad. If you truly love what you experience as good, you have to radically accept the world that created it. It's like saying you love French Fries but hate the calories. If you can't accept the calories, you don't actually love French Fries, you WISH you could love French Fries. You love a possibility impossible hypothetical.>>42007573I'm sure you have a nuanced view of shit too.
>>42007235ok boomer
>>42007611Aka Spinozist Monism
>>42007581>That's really not such a crazy feat.How then? I WANT to reprogram my entire psyche.
>>42007612Loving evil is evil you sick fuck.
>>42007626fake it till u make it/manifestation/oneism etc. theres a nice article on slatestarcodex about these
>>42007612I love the TASTE of French fries. Bulimia solves that hypothetical in any case.
>>42007433The fact that you can't see how these two things are inseparable is beyond me. You as a person comes from your experiences in the world, and your world comes from your experiences. It's all the same. Every concept is an arbitrary split of reality. The problem exists when you mistake your own artificial experience as an inherent property of reality.>>42007626All joy comes from an experience of power -overcoming resistance. Associate green with that feeling and you'll do it.>>42007633Whatever creates good created evil in the same moment i.e. YOU!
>>42007235This is a retarded thread because its not a choice, I don't choose to be a poor, ugly, deformed slave, its what I was forced to be and my perspective on reality is a consequence of my circumstances. I experience far more suffering than joy, it would be retarded for me to accept a lifetime of poverty, abuse, suffering because of the few good experiences that I may have had. If God wanted me to love the world instead of rejecting it then he should have gave me a life that I would love instead of a life that he knew I would hate and reject if I had the choice, I don't even have a choice, God will force me to repeat this life or live a worse one no matter what I do because he's a retarded sadistic tranny who never intends to stop abusing me
>>42007636And the taste relies on the calories. If you can mitigate them, then you love the French fries. Artificially splitting up reality is sometimes useful, but also creates delusions like the idea that the taste of French Fries can exist without the real thing. Even from an evolutionary perspective, the reason why we enjoy the taste of French Fries is that we associate those flavors with higher calories.
>>42007235you can choose deez nuts left or right anon?
>>42007277No it's not. You just want to keep fucking up things.>muh evilYou have to be 18 to post here>>42007235This whole thread is embarassing midwit bait. Reminds me of villain speeches from bad movies. Grow up lol
>>42007235Inmendham already answered this for me years ago; Take them, take it all. https://youtu.be/4OWl5nTctYI?si=VMzGYd6IZfY68Oj0
>>42007674It's is possible to have one without the other. This isn't hypothetical it has been done.
>>42007656Good to see you pop up in this thread. If you were born wealthy, beautiful, strong, and happy, you would never need to conceive of a "God" in the first place.I imagine that you lived a life of enslavement to someone, overcame the individual, but still found yourself unable to find happiness. Slavery conditions you to think that everything is a result of your master's power whereas you have none. When you leave slavery, you still have the mindset and thus create a universal slave master to project your internal feelings of powerlessness on to.
>>42007653>The fact that you can't see how these two things are inseparable is beyond me.You really are stupid then. I am an sovereign individual soul and reject your slavery.
>>42007612But it could be real. Denying possibilities because we can't see them in in this world is an awful way of veiewing things and limits your possibilities in death. Unless you think death is the absolute end for some dumb reason.But either way the calories are irrelevant or can be made irrelevant. I could either A strip the negatives of the consequences entirely (my body would never be impacted calories in any way) or B keep the positives of it only. You argue it wouldn't be French Fries anymore but I obviously didn't care about these negatives.And that's important. There's a whole range of things you don't care about when consuming anything. Do you give thanks and appreciation the giant society and its many elements that allowed its components to be grown, harvested, shipped and reassembled into the food? To the atoms and the chemicals? There's likely a billion things we don't know about all the things we enjoy yet they don't seem to care. We never valued the composition of them that much, only the outcome. So yes if we can keep the outcome and not have the consequence its just as enjoyable. You've convinced yourself there simply can't be a way to have the outcome with the consequence.
>>42007704You love the experience of something that is similar. A similarity also implies a difference. It's the creation of something new. My point is that if you hadn't experienced actual coke, your experience of diet Coke would be substantially different. Same with your experience of water, etc etc. This process will endlessly repeat itself. Everything builds on itself.
>>42007740Hair splitting, even if the taste was perfect you would say that, and that's simply a limitation of this world. I am sorry if my dream of a world with calorie free food triggers you so much, but you don't KNOW it isn't real. I would rather spend my life looking for it, than submit to your demon system anyway.
>>42007235I can do both. You can resent the hateful, evil creatures and be glad for the chance to live among the good people in your life.NEVER give up one or the other. All emotions are your own, and you should master them and direct your intellect, integrity and morals down the correct paths. This idiotic notion that you need to let go and let evil trample on you is something spread by evil people.
>>42007730The problem is that you treat your mental construction of the thing as something real and not just a tool for manipulating the world. Your ability to construct a hypothetical world, is something we use to create reality. The problem is that this tool is often too strong and when our experience of the world doesn't match our fantastical conceptions, we retreat to our fantastical worlds and reject the world. It's an inversion of reality for the sake of Idealism.>Do you give thanks and appreciation the giant society and its many elements that allowed its components to be grown, harvested, shipped and reassembled into the food? To the atoms and the chemicals? There's likely a billion things we don't know about all the things we enjoy yet they don't seem to care.This is my real point. I attempt to do all these things. When I hear that my shoes are made by slave labor, I accept and appreciate that slavery. That doesn't mean that I could think about creating an experience of the shoe that doesn't rely on slavery, but until that happens within an actual, material experience, I'm not going to accept that shoes in the way I experience them don't rely on slavery. The issue is that so often people think, "oh, well I can IMAGINE this experience without cruelty, therefore I'll ignore the ACTUAL cruelty required for my real experience of the thing."
>>42007763Dam New Ager is so cringe I am agreeing with the Trad Cath
>muh false dichotomy
>>42007766What about dreams? They aren't material, and I've had many joyous moments in them. I can't deny that a material reality had to exist for me to know what to put in the dreams. But no or barely any effort was put into the contents of it. I'd rather a controllable dream then a physical reality any day. I will always reject physical reality until I die and the I'll never come back to such an awful place.
>>42007766>"oh, well I can IMAGINE this experience without cruelty, therefore I'll ignore the ACTUAL cruelty required for my real experience of the thing."There is a difference between acknowledging the reality that slave labor occurred and celebrating it. You seem to be advocating the latter.
>>42007621Every time I think I've plumbed the depths of tales of the abyss I find new influences and references.
>>42007758If it was real then you would just reference the real thing you're talking about. You can imagine it all you want. You can even try to create it. But until you create it, it's not real. Your imagination is not reality, it's a tool for shaping reality. We can imagine things that are possible and things that are impossible. Until it's real, you'll never know. Reality is the primary. It even goes beyond this though, because you're trying to influence objective external material reality in order to trick your internal subjective conscious experience. However, even this distinction is artificial and dependent upon one another, but it seems like no one will understand that in this thread.
>>42007787Whatever you say.
>>42007277Dubs of truth. Vegeta has spoken
>>42007779If you celebrate the experience of the thing created with slave labor, you must celebrate the slave labor. You can TRY to recreate it without it, but until then, don't delude yourself and recognize that you may be chasing something impossible.>>42007775Your dream relies on your physical body to be taken care of and therefore all the good and evil involved in it. If you manage to take care of that and live in your dream, then that dream IS reality, including the whole history of reality which existed prior to that experience.
>>42007793Jesus and Buddha are laughing their ass off about this clueless edgelord Anon
>>42007799>If you celebrate the experience of the thing created with slave labor, you must celebrate the slave laborThat's dumb af lol, you must be trolling
>>42007799>may be chasing something impossibleSee it's this shit that lets me know you are evil. The world does not HAVE to be the way it is. It could have been so much better but people like you gained power.
>>42007809Good one anon, I honestly don't know if OP is simply an idiot or a demon possessed black hat, but he is truly insufferable either way and I needed a laugh.
