>>42663082
Jews are against every display of anything European/White. You can only worship their schizophrenic deity Saturn(Yahweh/Satan) and worship a Jewish pedophile rabbi, no different than Epstein(Jesus)

Hermes and Ares are pretty awesome.
>>42663091
Don't drag Chronos into that hebrew nonsense, the Greeks synchronized yahweh with Typhon.

>>42663082
It's highly suppressed. It was stricken from public consciousness aggressively 20 years ago already by now.

>>42663082
Its supressed, any form of theologicsl theory to hellenism and its alikes is instantly seen as "larping"

Which is why you dont take reference on people in the internet.
Apollysiac truths.

>>42663236
Saturn was put by the romans as baal hammon, you are right that the anon is out of touch in this, very different deitys the romans faced against.
Typhon as yhwh? Thats a new one and rather interessing.

>>42663407
When man start incarnating the ideas of apollo and dionysius again, things will go wild.

Even in the abrahamic faith they made appearences alike those two (as in michael and gabriel.)
The infinity mind and order(Logos) the infinity vitality and chaos (Zoe)

Whoever in philosophy that went deep enough would notice these two are extra important, even though they never met directly too.

>>42663236
>>42663408
Both of you explain world's elites and jews worshipping Saturn then.

>>42663433
Never said they didn't do it.
Only said its not yhwh. They can think it is, but it is not.

>>42663091
>>42663263
>>42663407
We should make fight to make it not suppressed then, no?

>>42663440
Binah always refers to the Old Gods.

>>42663082
They don't love you, dumbass.
>>42663433
>>42663440
They think it's Satan you fucking retards. They worship the devil. Baal Hamon was a deity that received human sacrifices in exchange for earthly wealth and power. Saturn is the reaper of men and grants material abundance. All of the schizophrenic mental gymnastics you people do to figure out things while leaving out the information you don't like, it's just ridiculous. Jesus was the good guy. He wasn't a gnostic. The Jews who worship Satan killed him because he tried to make them stop. God, YHWH, is real and benevolent. The Hellenic gods are either lesser created divinities or demons that were given rulership over certain portions of the Earth. They are infamously capricious and indifferent to the suffering of humanity. In the world of ancient Rome, you would be chattel at best. They would have left you autists in the woods to starve or be eaten alive by wolves. Every good, White thing that you take for granted is a consequence of Christian culture. Which is why the elites, Jews, w/e, hate Christians as , much as you do and associate Christianity with White people. Nobody is afraid of fucking Apollo. Rome allowed the Jews to practice their religion freely. Christianity changed it entirely.

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It is a private belief system, where the worthy find a way to contact the Gods, and the unworthy talk to themselves, for good or for ill.

They don’t want 8,000,000,000 prayers in their inbox every day.

My specific mission is to track one down and have a physical meeting. I’m getting closer and closer, and can generally tell when one is in a city or not. I’ll either be killed for my hubris or I will gain direct knowledge of the Gods.

>>42664546
I've contacted them and they're ain't shit. Moody faggots who can't take a bit of razzing. Imagine the most insecure person you've ever met. Now give them superpowers and immortality.

>>42663425
lay off the nietzsche, you're nonsensical

>>42664555
I presume that familiarity and criticism from a human to a God would feel a bit like being insulted, as it would to a human if we were being criticized by a 4’ pedophile retarded cripple Pygmy from Africa.

>>42664572
Why would you want the approval of something that views you that way

>>42663236
Anon, Time is Money. Think about it.

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it's been awhile...

>>42664568
The concepts are not hard at all to understand.
Plus these things where talked and reflected even at the old times, i am not doing something new.

>>42663236
The Greeks had a wind god called Aeolus. El was a god of the sky even in cannanite religion. You shit ape don't even know the mythology you simp for

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>>42663082
This board has been flooded with abrahamists and disclosure schizos.

>>42664519
>God, YHWH, is real and benevolent.
Ah yes, the god who demanded foreskins and constantly told the Israelites to murder all their neighbors is benevolent. Totally makes sense.

>>42665428
Neat, thanks for the reading list.
Anything based specially around apollo and dionysius too?

>>42665428
>Hymms of orpheus
>Pagan Imperialism by evola
Patrician picks.

i would like to learn more about hekate. perhaps meet her one day. her status as keeper of the crossroads, as well as her connection to other worlds, is very intriguing to me

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>>42665455
>>42665461
Not my list, I just saved the image from an older Hellenism thread. Also got this image.

>>42664685
The more I look at this statue the more confused I get. What is his left hand resting on? Why are there random bits of cloth draped over the ground? Why does the ground look like a mattress?

>>42664519
>They don't love you, dumbass.
How do you know that?

>>42665428
>I am actually so into the will to power and conquest
>NOT LIKE THAT
Sure anon if you say so. Human sacrifice was relatively common in Rome up until around the time of the Punic Wars. One of the rites of male servants of Athena was straight up castration. I would lose my foreskin before I lost my life. Or my nuts.
>>42666162
Do you know like anything about the stories surrounding these things? They are like exactly what you people describe YHWH as, petty tyrants who torment humanity for their own amusement and view us as animals. One of the central figures in the Odyssey is Poseidon. He tries to kill Odysseus multiple times literally just because he doesn't like him. Zeus is constantly constantly kidnapping and raping people. They are actual monsters. I also know because I talked to a few. They're desperate faggots who have nothing but contempt for us but also desire our attention and approval. All pagan gods are like this. And as I said earlier,
>>42664576

>>42666810
*Servants of Artemis
Oops

>>42663091
Don't bring your /pol/ tripe into this.
I bet you're sexist and against gays, too.
The problem is cuckstianity, its values, and all the crap that spawned from its worldview. Satan means adversary, and it is a hebrew term. We, therefore, are Satanists, as TRUE opponents of the jews. You, on the other hand, probably worship a jew (on a stick).

>>42663433
You're just a baby. They worship Saturn (Father, literally God) because he IS God. Satan is God and the Bible (terrible book) even admits to this. There is also the Goddess, but you're not ready for that discussion. Satan is also just a title.

>>42666828
Why do Jews promote Satanism and work to suppress Christians

>>42666848
You can't handle the truth. You operate at the most surface psyop level. Let me ask you this: why do the Catholics repeatedly use the jews (the poor ones) as scapegoats? Why does that pattern repeat itself? Yet the Church protects them, bases its worldview on their stolen myths, etc? Makes no sense from your side. Truth is, elite jews DO worship Satan as do elite everyone because Satan as in The Devil, the Beast, the Destroyer, Apollyon, Abaddon IS GOD. THIS IS HELL. THERE IS NO ESCAPE NO FREEDOM OBLY OBEDIENCE AND EVEN IF IT TAKES YOU A THOUSAND LIFETIMES YOU WILL BEND THE KNEE. Hail Satan.

>>42666882
You just aren't as smart as you think you are. Sorry

>>42666890
You fell for a two thousand year old Roman psyop. You worship a pedophile jew on a stick as God, and yet you blame jews for everything. Your opinion has zero value. I had my fun here. Carry on.

>>42666897
>Fell for Anton Hillman's bullshit
Just lol.

>>42663408
The Greeks have a story about a priest of Set named Osarseph who leads an army of lepers against the pharaoh before finally being banished and changing his name to Moses.
And I don't think there was complete consensus by the Romans on that. You can see it in earliest evidence of christianity, that schoolboy's graffiti of his classmate worshiping a donkey headed god on a cross. Pretty clear at least some of the Romans believed in the Typhon>Set>Yahweh connection.
>>42665040
Neat fun fact, but we were talking about yahweh, not el.

As a side note, Christians need a containment board. Can't even have one thread about a faith besides their own without them barging in and making it about them.

>>42666904
That guy is called ammon. I'm only taking the one etymological argument frkm him. If you were better read, you'd accuse me of taking the other part from Caesar's Messiah. I'm not. That being said, you believe in a book of lies. You are a Satanist in denial, like all christians. All your gods are but faces over the Beast. God is a monster. You are God. You are also the 8 year old God is raping to death Now go ahead and tell me more about the 'all-good' God, imbecile.

>>42667020
They won't get a containment board because it's jesuits and feds pushing it. They own the website. They removed the ip count just recently to hide the obvious shilling

>>42663082
> I love Zeus,
based hellenist pagan. I love you too anon

>>42667057
Everyone on /x/ knows about Caesar's messiah you pretentious moron. Do you think I haven't had this conversation with schizos like you a thousand times before? What's-his-face Hillman's ideas are more interesting and a greater indictment of either your intellectual honesty or intelligence in general. He is such a liar. There are zero other academics in his field who back his translations, even other people who are skeptical about Christ's existence itself. You are mentally ill.

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Never forgot what Christians took from us. They love to talk about how they were persecuted in the early days, but as soon as they grew into a large enough group, they started destroying pagan statues and temples, banning paganism and attacking anyone who tried to hold onto their old faith.

>>42667020
The roman thinking baal is saturn is mostly related to the punic wars, being fair.

The Set>Typhon>Yhwh is one i didn't see yet, so i find it quite interessing.

>>42667768
And what exactly was taken from you? You guys keep saying
>Look at what the christcucks stole from us !!!1!!!
But you aren't actually saying anything in particular that was stolen from you. Are you sincerely upset that 2000 year old statue from a country that doesn't exist anymore had it's face knocked off? And I thought Christianity was a Roman psyop? You want to Retvrn to the country that created the psyop religion you hate?

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>>42667992
>But you aren't actually saying anything in particular that was stolen from you
For nearly 2000 years they've tried to downplay or outright erase European pagan heritage and replace it with a semitic value system that's incompatible with us. You even had early Christian apologists like Justin Martyr doing mental gymnastics trying to justify why they adopted the values of Plato but demonized everything else about Greek and Roman culture. Christianity always leads to cognitive dissonance.
>And I thought Christianity was a Roman psyop?
I keep seeing people say that but I'm still not sure I buy that theory. If it was a psyop, it failed spectacularly. The Roman empire lost their western and northern territories and eventually got btfo by smelly brown savages.

>>42668076
Yeah. But what exactly did you lose? Do you wish you owned slaves? Would you like a return to pederasty and homosexuality being accepted? The more the western world moves away from the cross, the more it resembles the world you wish we lived in. You resent this when you view it through the jew/antisemite heuristic. But the practices of the Jews at the time of Christ, and even now, are far closer to the barbaric pagan gods you lionize. The contemporary Jewish version of God has a feminine aspect they ritually copulate with. Zeus is a bisexual shapeshifting rapist. The Christian God is a strictly paternal figure and totally non-sexual. The only reason anyone anywhere considers your life to have unique, transcendent value is because Christ affirmed the inherent dignity of human life. Everything you value, duty, honor, chastity, victory; these are Christian virtues. Europe was built upon them. Not the perverse selfishness of the pagan gods.

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>>42665708
It is a depiction of Hermes bringing peace to the two quarreling serpents by touching them with the Caduceus after being gifted the wand from Apollo. The serpents entwined the wand after being brought to peace and balance. This statue and the myth behind can easily be found on the internet.

His hand is resting on a stump, the cloth is Hermes' personal attire.

>>42668202
>Faggotry and pederasty

I gotta remind people that it was a direct crime to do pederasty in rome and no roman man would be accepted to be the passive(to act like a woman/be penetrated)
That was one of the biggest ways to break someone's honor or social view.
Sure, there are cases of them using slaves for such faggotry, which they where considerated lesser.
But such was a small minority of the aleardy small elite.
So the bare of the bare OF THE bare minimun.
To think that rome was anything liberal is deeply wrong.

Plus to take only some of the hellenistic myths to put in bad light, that too can be made in any religion at all.
Understand that such cultures and gods didn't follow a "book" like the abrahamic faiths did.
They followed the local culture and traditions.
Zeus was only the king of gods and heaven, beyond that you will have to go around asking WHICH Zeus of which place has done such.
Zeus from plato is a entity treated totally different from the zeus of some poets or hymms

Europe if anything was built upon the pagan cultures which made its basis and then somewhere it started the christian faith.
But examplars like italy at the renaissance started touching much again the pagan history and cultures(which where highly seen as cultured study if anything.)
And that has made much of the progress of things too.
To say it is ONLY christian that made things or only pagan is a bad faith argument and one that lacks historical accuracy.

>>42668076
To add such, the byzantines existed to almost a thousand years and yet they have less presence than the ancient rome or greek.

Why is that? The reason is the lack of aesthetic and cultural art, which was deeply inferior too.
Most byzantine things, for all their strength, is still highly underrated.

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>>42667020
> Onolatry is the supposed worship of the donkey during antiquity. In Imperial Rome, the charge of onolatry was used as a polemic against Jews and Jewish Christians.[1] The association of Jews with donkeys was a common feature of Hellenic as well as Latin ethnographic and historical writings, and included accusations of worshipping a golden donkey head and even sacrificing foreigners to it at intervals.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onolatry

>>42668688
Poor donkey, became a symbol of war between people.
All while he just wanted to chill in his farm.

I'd honestly be cool with a Hellenism thread being up for historical reasons, but unfortunately e-paganism is merely a front for atheism and anti-white resentment politics. You *have* to be stupid to be a "pagan" today; they simply will not let you into the club unless you are extremely dumb, praise Hindoos, and define yourself exclusively by negation to Christianity rather than anything you believe in itself.
>>42667768
Guy who wants to destroy the last 1000+ years of European art and architecture here telling you to "honor your ancestors." (no, not those ones!)

>>42668673
If you think depraved sexual behavior wasn't absolutely rampant in classical times you have simply never touched the primary sources; you literally cannot escape it, it's being mentioned all the time, even in the greatest works of philosophy and poetry. And today a large portion of "pagans" online style themselves as such because they believe it will allow them a more sexually libertine lifestyle.

>>42668673
> it was a direct crime to do pederasty in rome
After it's christianization.
>no roman man would be accepted to be the passive(to act like a woman/be penetrated)
This was noted to be the disposition of multiple prominent senators and even a few emperors.
>To think that rome was anything liberal is deeply wrong.
Rome was socially unrecognizable to modern standards but closer to liberal than anything else.
>Plus to take only some of the hellenistic myths to put in bad light, that too can be made in any religion at all.
Not Christianity. God is who he says he is. All negative characterizations of him come either from willful misunderstanding or ignorance.
>Zeus was only the king of gods and heaven, beyond that you will have to go around asking WHICH Zeus of which place has done such. Zeus from plato is a entity treated totally different from the zeus of some poets or hymms
Plato fucked kids.
>Europe if anything was built upon the pagan cultures which made its basis and then somewhere it started the christian faith.
Christianity civilized the entirety of barbarian Europe. There would be no Europe without the Romans, but most importantly Christian ethics. They would have remained backwards savages because Rome was compromised as backwards savages as well, only with better technology. Christianity mythologized the self restraint necessary for a long term functional civilization. Rules are arbitrary to anyone with an IQ below room temperature or above average. The prior because they don't care and refuse to be constrained, the latter because there's no good reason to be. This is why, as we move away from Christianity, ideas like transvestism and cultural plurism gain momentum. Because, genuinely, why not? What is the value of being civically minded or objective when you can just get what you want instead? Everything you value, everything you are, is Christian.

>>42669235
>*Rome was comprised of backwards savages
The very worst and most grotesque excesses that would turn your stomach as a modern person was daily life for a Roman. Your life had less than no value. To the political elite of Rome, and it's cruel pagan gods.

>>42663082
Christianity helps us see Hellenism as cultural symbolism instead of theology. Judaism helps us see Christianity as idolatry, too. Atheism helps us see Judaism as parasitic. Judaism helps us see Atheism as cringe. Hellenists, still here, bring back out all of their action figures. Christians regroup as Perennialist New Age Christians. Atheists return to call New Agers cringe. New Agers return as Gnostics. Donald Trump emerges as the Antichrist. Christians return to vote for him. Gnostics regroup as Hellenists. Hellenists throw action figures at the Antichrist. Palantir wipes out fucking everything. Everyone nukes everyone. The universe FUCKING dies. YHWH says the Word, and the Word is, “Autism.”

>>42669235
>Not Christianity. God is who he says he is. All negative characterizations of him come either from willful misunderstanding or ignorance.
2 Kings 2:23-24 KJV
>[23] And he went up from thence unto Beth-el: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. [24] And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

>>42669430
I knew you'd bring this up lol. Children is a poetic term for the members of a nation or someone belonging to a group
>I.e, the children of God, children of Babylon, etc.
And the direct translation means something closer to "young men." So like 23 year olds mocking a prophet of God mourning the death of his friend. God flooded the entire planet because of how evil people were at the time. Though it isn't stated directly, it was almost certainly a long time coming for those "children." I don't expect you to change your position. Your response is primarily emotional. It isn't a bad thing to be disgusted by a perceived injustice. If fact, it's very Christian of you. The Romans wouldn't even bother, they would recognize God as a superior power and not even consider whether or not what he did was morally correct. But God wants us to consider these things. Your anger and doubt are welcomed. Even Thomas, a close friend of Christ who had witnessed his miracles firsthand, doubted the resurrected Christ as he stood before him, wounds still open from his crucifixion.

>>42669241
Taking the worst state of rome as an example is again, bad faith argument.
You ARENT trying to show a difference between two types of nations in history, just holding on some agenda and thus lying too.

>>42669235
>After its christianity
Big NO.
We see cases of that back to SENECA which was so much time before constantin.
And the same applies to basically every single argument i have to ask you... Have you EVER and i mean EVER read anything of the old civilizations?
Or do you live and die by their worst states possible and call that the majority?

You are, the biggest example i have ever seen... Of a good goy.
No question, not even studying, only defending with bad faith arguments and dying in that hill.
I will show no more historical honesty as you, yourself was incapable of showed any, not even an ounce interpretation either.

>>42667992
>But you aren't actually saying
Culture, schlomo. The same way you overrun and overwrite the west's history, buildings, traditions, and holidays with muslims and mexicans today, the christians spread and defiled those who hosted them.

>>42666828
Faggots and women aren't human.

Shout out to Ares the only non rapist in the pantheon

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>>42663082
"Hellenism" is corrupted by cosmopolitan oriental cults.
The whole cult of apollo is based upon lies and Apollo is from the orient, it isn't a greek god but a patron deity in asia minor originally an adversarial deity to the bronze age greeks.

Impossible to tell just how contaminated greek tradition really is after homer.
>>42663091
>You can only worship their schizophrenic deity Saturn(Yahweh/Satan)
They don't worship Saturn, and Satan is the enemy of yahweh the god of the jews.
In the book of revelation "Satan" is the roman emperor that crushed the jewish and christian cattle.
>worship a jewish pedophile rabbi
Jesus was a jewish rabbi but there is no good evidence that he was a pedophile.
>>42663433
>Both of you explain world's elites and jews worshipping Saturn then.
They don't.

Hellenism is religion turned entertainment for the masses

Only 2-3, at most 4 main deities really count

The rest would be minor, or non-living concepts at best

>>42665428
>mah nigga Iamblichus mentioned
>mah nigga Plotinus also mentioned
>the extremely based book Picatrix also mentioned

chef's kiss from me anon, the rest are also decent

>>42663082
>I love Zeus, I love Apollo, I love Aphrodite, I love Hecate, I love Demeter
Seems like you love the losers. The powerless, fading ones. Faggotry, if you ask me. Like, you are a faggot.

>>42669624
That was just how ancient peoples were anon. The past was impossibly brutal and degrading.
>>42669643
>Good goy
Jews hate Christianity and promote paganism
>>42669653
Your culture is Christian, Johnny.
>>42670104
He just so happens to be a bloodthirsty murderer who loves violence for the sake of it

>>42670695
>The jews hate paganism
No anon, they hate everyone who isn't their lap dog, most christians tend to be though.

>Most of the old world was like this
Again, no.
The old world was much like our world, because again, if we only take the absolute worst parts there is NOTHING different at all.

And you can say or compare to normal "day to day" that are considerated extreme today... Well guess what? We had a whole lot too in the low middle ages where art or even music was limited it not banned because it was considerated "pagan" or even better the church sending children to the crusades because they thought of it as a "holy protected by God"

But you will say these are exceptions, so where the ones you mentioned too.
See why it is an argument of bad faith?

>>42670807
And not to say the fourth crusade which ended up with the crusaders pillaging other "christians" too.

Again, the crusades beyond the first are good example of big failures of the church itself and the byzantines.

Will i use that to say all christian moviments where downright bad, mad and evil?
No, because i know history nor culture works like that.

>>42670807
The Jews promote paganism. They don't hate it at all. Jews profit off of it and encourage it globally. They would rather you be a Muslim than a Christian. Evangelical boomer retards are a historical aberration and a consequence of WWII fetishism. Jews assisted Muslims in their conquest of Christian Europe, and currently promote paganism and occultism in hopes of curbing Christianity in the west.
>if we only take the absolute worst parts there is NOTHING different at all.
Romans participated in ritual human sacrifice until around the time of the Punic Wars and only really stopped so they could posture as being morally superior to the Carthaginians. Every horrible excess you imagine the Jewish pedophile elite participating in was every day life for Rome. Sexual exhibitionism, moral relativism, violence and the casual devaluation of human life was constant. You were worth less than nothing, being common rabble. Our modern idea of fair and neutral legal representation simply did not exist. Worker safety was never guaranteed and slaves were bought and sold on the streets. Again, as we move further away from Christianity and it's idea of a transcendental common good, we see the same signs of excess and indignity. Europe, all of it's industry, all of it's laws, all of it's prosperity, comes from Christianity. The standard of antiquity was strained beurocracy or outright tyranny. The rule of law was transparently maintained through strength alone and there was no expectation otherwise. The world you want to restore isn't pagan Rome. It's the Western world prior to the 1960's. This is the culture that is reflective of your real, closely held values.
>>42670821
All of the crusades were good and had legitimate moral justifications

>>42670466
If you could see the look on my Cretan face

>>42669535
>God flooded the entire planet because of how evil people were at the time
you say that like it's a good thing

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This whole thread reeks of faggots

Pagan Religions Fake Religion Created to put Man as God there is only one God it is Yahweh

>>42671659
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

>>42671158
Why is killing evil people bad? Do you identify with them?

>>42671676
You guys keep like ten or so random verses out of context on hand in hopes whoever you're talking to will be ignorant enough not to refute you. Christ is saying this in response to pharisees accusing him of blasphemy for declaring himself the son of God. He points out their own heretical interpretation of scripture which they use to justify their degenerate behavior. So if they can declare themselves gods in their own synagogues, why can't he? He isn't saying humans can actually become gods. He's calling them hypocrites.

>>42671753
The LDS church would disagree

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>>42670340
>Jesus was a jewish rabbi but there is no good evidence that he was a pedophile.

>Every one of Jesus’ apostles besides Peter was underage (neaniskos is the Greek word used)
>When a woman questions why he hangs out with kids he says “don’t scandalize me”
>Tells these boys he will make them “fishers of men”
>Goes into upper rooms and washes their feet while naked
>Tells them to “eat his flesh and drink his haima” (if you think this means “blood” here, see Ezekiel 23:20)
>Is arrested in a public park at 4am with a naked boy (see Mark 14:51-52)
>When the cops show up he says “why do you come for me with swords and clubs like I’m some kind of leistes”
>The word leistes, which gets translated as “thief” is actually “pirate” and was used in contemporary texts (many examples such as Lucian’s Alexander) to refer to sex traffickers
>Sex trafficking was a big problem in the Mediterranean and one of the big things the Romans did was crack down on the pedo pirates. Julius Caesar himself was kidnapped by them as a kid and afterwards had them all crucified
>Jesus Christ was in fact crucified between two other leistes

There's a reason Jesus's "Most Beloved Disciple" is always depicted as a beardless boy whereas the rest of his followers had beards. Dude liked em young.

>They don't worship Saturn,
They clearly do you retarded LARPing faggot.
> Satan is the enemy of yahweh the god of the jews.
Satan is just a worker of Yahweh. Not an enemy lol.

>>42666848
because they are the will of the enemy, manifest in 3D, agenturists of the demiurge, his right hand on this plane of existence, so to say. they hate any and everything Good, Beautiful and Truth(ful). native, to this planet, life too (plants and animals and humans.

>>42672088
Christianity is anti-nature, anti-human and not native to this planet at all.

>>42672112
(see lurkers? notice how 10 minutes in, the damage control shill activated to counterspew their bullshit)

interesting that you still have respect so much so that you wrote Christianity with a capital letter C, you filthy canaanite scumbag.
there are many subverted and highjacked factions of Christianity nowadays sure, one might say every mainstream one is the case.
but to generalise and say they are all the same is exactly what the enemy wants, thas why one should prove all things; hold fast that which is good. also Christ is the Logos, no matter what you wanted it to be.
seethe and keep bumping

>>42672136
I'm not reading your bullshit. Christianity is clearly anti-human. it's meant to supress everything about you that is human, to make you into a mindless slave drone of the kikes.

You're a retarded golem.

>deflecting
>paid shill (a literal golem) telling others they are the golem
classic. keep bumping the thread

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>>42669235
>Plato fucked kids

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How did a thread about the Hellenic Pantheon turn into an argument over whether or not Jesus or Plato were pedophiles?

>>42671871
The LDS church are a bunch of heretics. Mormons are as Christian as Muslims.

>>42673265
Because one creepy drug addict Satanist put out a shit translation that people who hate Christianity latched onto instantly. They don't believe it because the evidence is compelling, they believe it because the idea that Jesus was a pedophile is funny to them and they know it annoys Christians. Or they're straight up stupid and it's confirmation bias. But yeah ancient Greek culture was homosocial and Plato fucked kids.

>>42673321
Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is God? That's what Mormons believe

>>42673152
This is extremely common knowledge

>>42673343
Immediate bad faith argument. Have some restraint you fucking moron.

>>42673265
Because people cant argument theology or history in good faith.
They must always "own the other" and show some kind of moral superiority, while in the end, both are morons.

Which is why i stopped argumenting here and trying to bring any theological or mythological fact in good faith.
Waste of time, really.

>>42672112
>and not native to this planet
Well it must surely be the true metaphysics then.

>>42673366
>you fucking moron
How Christlike of you. Anyways, what is a Christian? I was under the assumption that a Christian is someone who believes that Jesus Christ is God. This definition would include the LDS church members while excluding Muslims, who are strict monotheists

>>42673395
How many times have you been in a debate and said something like
>Duuuuuh how chwistlike of u
And it made you anymore likely to win? Anyways, Mormons are idolaters and Joseph Smith is their prophet Muhammad. Non-coincidentally, Joseph Smith, like Muhammad, claimed to have received his revelations from an angel of God. Not God, but one of his angels. Which the Bible explicitly states you are not supposed to listen to if they tell you things that contradict scripture as written. So Joseph Smith was either deceived or intentionally deceiving others.

>>42669309
Triumph of the Dialectic!
>>42663082
So there's only two guys in this thread (>>42664546 & >>42664555) who talk to the gods? 45% of this thread so far is about Christianity, 15% about Judaism, only 25% on topic (the rest is history and politics). What gives?

(Notice >>42673338 can't refute >>42671883, has nothing but ad hominem and wild aspersions. Some sources claim Plato had a wife and children and practiced sexual moderation, while others suggest he was indifferent to bodily pleasures as a true philosopher, though no definitive historical proof of his private sexual activities exists.)

>>42673457
I gave up trying to talk about hellenistic theology right as they started bringing christianity and bad faith arguments
Waste of time really, you can't even try to write in good faith anymore.

>>42673434
>Joseph Smith, like Muhammad, claimed to have received his revelations from an angel of God. Not God, but one of his angels
The second vision of Joseph Smith was from the angel Moroni, but the first vision was from God the Father and Jesus Christ. Also, wasn't the virgin Mary visited by an angel when she was told about the immaculate conception?

>>42673457
What gives is that Hellenism has been dead for 2000 years and attempts to revive it in the modern world are totally disconnected from the context of it's existence and is instead a consequence of modern political bickering and ill-informed nostalgia. The gods, to whatever extent they exist, ruled over a world that exists no longer and never will again.

>>42673462
Plato much like the faggotry of modern age, tried to push such visions onf figures that had nothing to do with them.

Which is why so many morons think fags where common there or that pederasty was seen in any good light(it wasn't, in both cases.)

>>42673477
I wrote the comment a bit weirdly.

I am saying that modern historians with all their faggotry tried to push things that didn't exist on historical figures(like plato)

>>42673462
Oh I can refute it easily. None of Ammon Hillman's contemporaries, even fringe historians who don't believe that Christ even existed in the first place, back his translations. I can't speak Greek, especially not archaic Greek or Aramaic. But you know who can? Everyone else in Hillman's field. Besides that is common sense. Why the fuck would the followers of Christ record him molesting them? How did Christians somehow miss this in their own holy text for 2000 years? The only people who accept Hillman's translations are people who want it to be true.
>>42673472
Satan disguises himself as God constantly amd Gabriel acted as a messenger to Mary. He didn't dictate scripture to her. Angels are messengers exclusively. This "angel" Smith spoke with gave him extra biblical teachings, which again, the Bible explicitly instructs to dismiss.

Thread is totally off topic.
Womp womp back to the shadow realm it should go.

>>42673513
Damage control

>>42673524
Theres nothing to damage control, people are just completly off topic here, what else is there to discuss?

>>42673546
No, we're on topic. We're discussing Hellenism. Just not positively.

>>42673495
>Gabriel acted as a messenger to Mary
Like Muhammad?
>Angels are messengers exclusively
Moroni just gave Joseph Smith the message of scripture that had already been written but was hidden

>>42673562
We arent discussing hellenism nor history at all. Its just moral arguments on both sides trying to own the other up.
Saw little if any actual talkings of hellenism or theological nor historical relations to it.
Again, off topic.

>>42673602
>Like Muhammad
No. Gabriel told Mary what was going to happen. He didn't tell her
>God said polygamy is ok also angels are made of like smoke and fire or something lol
He didn't dictate doctrine to her. He acted as a messenger.
>Moroni just gave Joseph Smith the message of scripture that had already been written but was hidden
This is splitting hairs trying to make an argument you already lost work out for you somehow. Angels are not allowed to dictate doctrine. The golden tablets are extra biblical.
>>42673609
Damage control

>>42673696
>Damage control
>Does the exact thing i said you are doing, while claiming its not off topic.

Womp womp

>>42673696
Deuteronomy 4:2
>Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
The New Testament is also extra biblical, and didn't even exist during Jesus's life

>>42673716
Jesus is God. The New Testament is his word. Nice try

>>42673764
>Jesus is God. The New Testament is his word
Actually it's the words of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James, and Jude

>>42673786
You mean his apostles? How did I know you would say that. Your point? If he didn't want it in the Bible, it wouldn't be. He's omnipotent.

>>42663082
https://cogniarchae.com/2019/09/04/demeter-persephone-and-hades-the-myth-decoded/

>>42673265
because yids divide and conquer. have you seen the time, how late it is? the system of the one eye is every fucking where. their agents and shills and bots are everywhere.
>>42673379
yidemons arent people dummy

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bumperz bettah hekas hekas Hekate

>>42673495
>Oh I can refute it easily
But you can't. If you do, you're against the Bible, the word of God.

>>42670695
>Jews hate Christianity and promote paganism
Ben shapiro literally does the opposite.

Also, I asked Apollo to heal my back and he took the pain i had away.

>>42677714
Shoutout to Apollo

>>42677719
>>42677714
Based apollo followers!

Modern pagans have no miracles on their side

>>42677714
Ben Shapiro manipulates retarded dispensationalists

>>42676828
This is not something you actually believe you're just being a faggot

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>>42663082
Eris and Aris
Aesir gods
Seidr magic

Welcome in our rabbit hole!

>>42678321
Where is the Mithras with Apollysiaccombo?
The two brothers of radiance against the endless night.

>>42663082
(((They))) forgot that they were pivoting to it, and the @@@man responsible for perpetuating it took on a different job so it must've fallen through the cracks. Sorry about that: we'll get back to you when we are finished with our concurrent psyop review plan. Nobody has daunted our attempts to contain you.

>>42663082
What's the philosophy behind polytheism? What's the best argument for polytheism? I genuinely am interested in polytheism, and I feel it might be the truth. But that's just my feeling.

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>>42666844
If you want to meet the Goddess of Creation and grasp the mistery of godhood then read manga "Yusha shoukan....." (long title) with Shallow Vernal and Kuromueina.

>>42666828
You don't get it.
High ranking jews are beliving in "I am who I am" and "satyr Pan" aka adversary is anyone who wants to be worshiped.
They are beliving that they are gods, they are self consciousness self belivers I think.

Less santient beings are very eager to worship someone. But those high ranking jews are also wrong.

Real high level beings are going in friendly relationship with real deities. Worshiping and primitive religious rituals are repulsive. We are acting together to create perfect happy worlds for all beings to be happy, safe and free as much as it is posdible to not harm any other beings.
That is wisdom.

>>42675554
OP makes a thread to venerate Hekate and you exorcise her from it?
>The Greek adverb ἑκάς (hekas) translates to "far," "far off," or "afar."
>It is most famously recognized in the magical phrase ἑκάς, ἑκάς ἐστέ [οἱ] βέβηλοι (hekas, hekas este bebeloi), which translates to "Away, away be [ye the] profane" or "Far, far from this place be the profane." This injunction was historically used at the Eleusinian Mysteries to banish non-initiates and negative influences.
I guess this is a thread where only the profane are allowed, makes the discussion so far more believable

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>>42671883
Interesting perspective.
Anyone wants to reaserch it more and verify this?

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>>42673786
Actualy it was wrote 50 years after Jesuses death and not by people who knew Jesus.
Check it out.

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>>42675554
Jow much do you know?

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>>42678389
Mishra and Urza?
Mishra was consumed by Gix.
Urza is a planeswalker.

I am the Thread Slayer, another thread slain by mere few comments.

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>>42671883
Tell us more.

>>42678686
Who is she?

>>42663082
i'm a descendant of apollo

>>42679953
You're a tranny

>>42680225
doesnt matter there is a tranny god anyway they came from hermes and aphrodite

>>42680239
Then you would be a descendent of those two and not apollo.

Arent you also the hypocrite guy of the other thread

>>42680239
Those are demons and Hermaphrodites is, as it's name suggests, a hermaphrodite. You are a crossdressing man. It's interesting that you don't actually identify yourself as a woman. In my experience troons tend to understand that being trans is nonsense intrinsically but will lie unless they slip up like you just did.

>>42680247
why do my tits make milk?

>>42680246
what other thread? you need to be specific if you want me to know.

>>42680259
Assuming you take medication it's because you got some quack doctor to legally give you a severe hormonal imbalance. If not then you have a severe hormonal imbalance and should see a non-doctor Frankenstein to get that fixed.

>>42680268
The one where you talked about morality while not following your own words and rules, as you where forcing them onto other anons who pointed that out. No wonder you didn't show up there anymore after that one.

>>42680270
Don't bother, its a masochist tranny who likes being beaten up while receiving attention.
Let it rot

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The good thing about Hellenism is that the sky is not inherently masculine and the earth is not inherently feminine, unlike the genderless cosmos of Abrahamic cults.

>>42680310
I understand why jupiter wanted juno.

>>42680280
i was trying to get the guy to chill it wasn't that preachy. guess just my basic existence is upsetting enough for others that you over analyze me.

>>42680270
i have the estrogen levels of a mid 20s female and have almost no testosterone. legally female and several drs are supportive of me.

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>>42678624
lol
>>42678696
hello

>>42680344
If you had the estrogen levels of a mid 20's female and didn't call yourself a female it would be an extreme medical emergency. You're killing yourself you fucking moron.

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>>42680372
whys my blood work nearly perfect? i consume way too much salt and booze but my liver, kidneys, cholesterol, blood sugar and pressure are in the ideal ranges. 6'1 145 pounds i physically feel pretty great.

>>42680330
What is with you people and the
>Existence
Shit? Nobody is angry at you for being alive, people don't like you because you're insane and have a social and legal apparatus at your disposal that forces normal people to tolerate your delusions. Being a transvestite is not a morally or politically neutral behavior.

>>42680383
Your blood work isn't perfect. You have the estrogen levels of a woman. You are losing muscle and bone density and your brain is shrinking. Your body isn't supposed to be this way. You are crippling yourself in the long term. You haven't become a woman. You just made yourself sick.

>>42680403
when i was "male" i had constant back and body pain that all went away with the introduction of high level estrogen. fixed so many issues and will likely extend my life quite a bit. you can hate what i am but its undeniable i am in better physical shape this way.

>>42680411
>You when you lie
That isn't possible. Estrogen wouldn't fix that. You know what else excessively high estrogen in men causes? Cardiovascular issues and breast cancer.

>>42680411
>>42680422
And weight gain. And mood swings. You aren't becoming a woman. You are becoming a fat, sick man. You don't even see yourself as one. You don't identify with Aphrodite. You see yourself as a hermaphrodite. You also aren't that, but I digress.

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>>42680422
estrogen makes your tendons absorb more water and become pliable which leads to a release in things that are causing serious pain. testosterone does the opposite. some of us run better on one hormone or the other. you're not really listening or having any respect for my words eventho they are the scientific truth so i hope you can find whatever makes you happy one day and i'm gonna leave.

>>42680459
Troon science. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

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>>42679936
Shallow Vernal, Goddess of Creation and Supreme God.

>>42680322
Forget Saturn.
Check out for Jew Peter.

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>>42680494
>>42679936
This is why you came here.
For the Goddess.

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>>42680494
No contest.

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>>42680494

>>42675554
Isn't the golden apple norse, not hellenistic?

It was the Apple of Idunn which the norse gods eat every day to stay immortal.

Isn't this attested in the Poetic Eddas?

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>>42680654
I was referring to the Eris Golden Apple bc this thread is Chaos

Also, the worship of Saturn is because Saturn is a roman fertility deity that rules over agriculture and prosperity, but has the tragic flaw of not wanting to give up his power to the next generation, thus he also represents the corruption of old age.

Most of the Roman gods were like this. They had personalities and had some tragic flaw which made them complex and enriched their meaning and made them more contemplative and philosophical than if they were one-dimensional forces of nature. This is also what makes paganism, particularly the hellenistic kind, very appealing compared to monotheistic modern religions that just boil everything down to something retarded and stupid so you don't have to meditate or think about anything.

>>42680687
Oh, right. Fuck me I'm dumb. Sorry I'm just waking up and I was skimming the thread and saw people talking about norse stuff so I got thrown off. That would make total sense. My bad lmao, carry on.

>>42663082
Have you visited the camp in long island?

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>>42678624
Hekas Hekas Hecate is quote taken directly from The Book of the Witch Moon, a book which is dedicated to Hekate.

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>>42680703
You are not dumb, you are correct about the Norse Gods eating golden apples, but that is not what I was referring to Anon. Peace to you.

>>42680737
Well, that's very kind of you to say. Thanks Hermes-anon. Peace to you as well in all your journies! May your caduceus heal all those touched by it, and all your words bemuse those seeking inspiration.

>>42680737
You think Hermes visited Joseph Smith?

>>42663082
fuck zeus he raped my guinea pig (male) baka

>>42680775
your guinea pig deserved it for dressing like a slut and being such a degenerate whore

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Deipnon soon

>>42680994
what are you gonna do about it?

>>42663091
>Jews are against every display of anything European/White
based.

>>42682554
But that's not based though

Show me a miracle done by Hellenic gods

>>42663082
Your gods are dead.

>>42663082
You left out Poseidon, the most based of them all.

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>>42683508
Show me miracle done by gods of any culture xD

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>>42663091
>Jews are against every display of anything European/White.
Greek Gods are neither White nor European. You just want to good to art of Europeans larping as Greek Deities.

Hellenism bros, I'm at a turning point where I really don't think norse paganism vibes with me anymore. I started exploring various polytheistic alternatives to being a christcuck last year and the first thing I got into was norse heathenry because I thought wicca was kinda lame and wanted "the real deal" so to speak. That was naive, but I understand that now of course.

Now the more I study hellenistic culture and philosophy, especially neoplatonism and hermeticism, the more I think there is a very distinct and different energy to hellenistic paganism that is WAY different from norse paganism. Norse paganism is... not to be rude, but, kind of edgy in my mind. Like, all this brutality, manliness, oathkeeping, kinship and clan, ragnarok and valhalla, it's like, more... well... primitive. Or perhaps "primordial" is a more fair word to use, because I don't mean to imply the norse are foolish or unwise. It's just, a rather... mmm, "base" kind of culture and philosophy, in my opinion. Whereas hellenistic greco-roman and egyptian culture was arguably like, the nexus point for what was to become the modern globalized society we live in today. Like, Alexandria Egypt was the prototype for the modern metropolis, and so much of Greek philosophy underpins everything that drives western culture today. It really feels more grounded in what's actually happening, more practical to study and follow in a modern hyper-connected world, which is similar to the world that was emerging back then, that they had to adapt to and figure out.

Is Hellenism more cyclical like the Vedic tradition, or do they have an end of days like the Abrahamists? The idea that one day, everything's just be eternally perfect kinda sounds silly to me

>>42663082
I took 14g of mush on Saturday at a festival and I was fine until morning when I finally got in my sleeping bag to rest. With all my defenses down because of exhaustion, that's when fucking Pluto attacked and I had to defend myself magically for a couple hours.
I'd forgotten that astrologically Pluto's in opposition to Jupiter plus Neptune was sextile, and Pluto is in hard aspect to my natal Saturn so there was a lot of energy going on.
The old gods are alive and well in astrology and influence people whether they know it or not

>>42684964
That's just because what's left of norse pagans is much less than what's left of greeks ones. We don't have any records of their philosophy and advanced spiritual practices, our understanding of their culture is not that thorough, etc.
Yeah, perhaps, norse pagans were much more "manly" but the greeks had this manliness all the way, we're just used to Plato's parties and shiet

>>42663082
Cucks said no more because demons.

>>42685056
Hellenism is explicitly cylclic, yes.

First there was Ouranous and Gaia, then they were overthrown by the Titans, Kronus and so forth, then the Titans are overthrown by the Olympians, Zeus and so forth, and eventually they will be overthrown by us, and then eventually we will be overthrown, probably by AI I'm guessing.

Bump to combat slide threads.

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>>42683508
>>42684261
I am waiting!

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>>42684964
Forget all mainstream cults and religions.
Discover your own deities.
Befriend divine protectors known only to you.
That is wisdom.

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>>42687435
This anon gets it.
Look for your own benelovent goddess.
Discover her in the goodness in the world.
At some point she will apear as tulpa.
She will start to grow stronger in this realm.
Official gods do nothing, they are just a stories.
Only personal deities can reshape reality and make you loved and happy.

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>>42687435
>>42687461
Here you have instructions how to discover your pwrsonal deity: >>42608649
I can help you with shaping her personality and apperance.

Athena jumped out from Zeus'es head. You can be like Zeus in this story.

>>42687461
Does it have to be a she-goddess, or can it be a he-god?

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>>42687549
I strongly suggest She-goddess.
And asexual one.
Then you can find real love without lust.

Everything is in Tulpa General post.

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>>42680748
I do not believe Hermes is behind the formation of the Mormons and LDS.
As well, a quick divination on this resulted in the answer - No.

>>42689467
>I do not believe Hermes is behind the formation of the Mormons and LDS.
How can you be so sure?
>As well, a quick divination on this resulted in the answer - No.
What form of divination?

>>42687897
>>42687477
>>42687461
Shut up. Stop polluting the thread with your garage.

>>42689668
I think Anon has a nice garage

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>>42689537
>How can you be sure?
Intuition, and LDS is a Christian denomination.
>form of divination?
For a quick yes or no, I use dice. The answer depends on the numerical total of both dice, the order in which they fall from left to right gives hints to and nuance to the question at hand. 6 and 5, that is a no, 6 and 5 relate to destiny, and basically are telling you to accept what is given and move on.
I think this is fitting considering LDS worship Jehovah, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, but as three separate entities, as opposed to a trinity. You are more than welcome to believe in whatever you desire Anon, I'm not here to argue and stop you. Peace Anon.

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>>42684964
>Now the more I study hellenistic culture and philosophy, especially neoplatonism and hermeticism, the more I think there is a very distinct and different energy to hellenistic paganism that is WAY different from norse paganism

They concern the same Gods, at very different times in the “story”. The Greeks forgot the time when Cronos was the unsteady King and Zeus was the thundering heir apparent prince. The Norse did not hear shout the histories started by Thor in the south after the War of the Gods that nearly ended the world, and saw the Allfather fall.

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>>42687435
>>42687461
>>42687477
>>42687897
>make up your own gods and goddesses!
>hyper generic anime and AI generated slop

lol
lmao even

>>42680725
What camp is this now? Connected to the Rockefeller Atlas people?

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>>42680687
That is a statue of Aphrodite, I do belive. She is depicted with Artemis, Ares, Poseidon (I think?), and Zeus, in front of the former Trevi Restaurant in the Caesars Palace forum shops, a crossroads I have visited many times. I thought it was Eris many times, but there are some artifacts in her statue that made me think Aphrodite.

Is the real Son of Maia, the Psychopomp, truly a poster?

>>42663091
Saturn is a roman deity, not fucking yahweh

>>42663236
>the Greeks synchronized yahweh with Typhon.
Rarely. Sometimes with Zeus

>>42670340
>Impossible to tell just how contaminated greek tradition really is after homer.
Before Homer, actually.
It was lost when greeks learned to write.

But this is normal tho

>>42691014
Zeus isn't a foreskin-eating monster that lives in the middle east

>>42691023
Yes but sometimes greeks interpreted Yahweh as Zeus.
It's not as if Greece is far away from the middle east anyway.
The biblical philistines could've been initially greeks too

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>>42691001
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/search/username/Hermes-Anon/page/1/

I've been on and off 4chan for a bit. I'm not Hermes, but Hermes is my Patron.

>>42691176
As your patron to make me rich, please.
I'm sacrifice a hundred oxes in his name as a thanks

That’s literally just Lana del Rey lol