(Not all, just many)They immediately unquestioningly take at face value the Valentinian "three types of people" thing and some other total vagueries from different traditions, yet see themselves as superior to the mainstream people who readily accept their religion's ideas without asking questions or doing more research.They are highly dogmatic about their ideology despite how individualised and diverse their personal conceptions of gnosticism can be. Rather than any kind of critical thinking or research they simply take take the ideas that sound good to them or reinforce their worldview. The word hylic has become the word normie for a more annoying type of extremely online guy with a persecution complex. People with any kind of real spiritual development dont go around bashing people for being less adept, they are all "hylics" themselves because they never do the work.Finally I doubt any respectable gnostic of old went around seething about the demiurge (Which is dangerous because it can make them a sort of closed loop where they rage at the heavens all day which makes their lives worse which they attribute to the heavens and repeat.)It doesnt seem "enlightened" to me it seems like a total dead end. Let me know your thoughts. I'm gonna make a cryptid thread later cause im sick to death of these boring neo gnostic threads that ruminate in negativity and cynicism whilst proposing no real actionable spiritual paths to improvement nor really taking any action themselves at all. I am a layman and a hylic myself but I don't see these people as particularly knowledgable, trustworthy or spiritually adept either.
>>43025694>im sick to death of these boring neo gnostic threads that ruminate in negativity and cynicism whilst proposing no real actionable spiritual paths to improvement nor really taking any action themselves at all.heavy on this part
>>43025694>Finally I doubt any respectable gnostic of old went around seething about the demiurgeI bet the Sethians did. It's no coincidence that le ebil snakelion is the modern internet pop conception of the demiurge. Sethianism as amongst the crudest, densest, and most debauched of Gnostic cosmologies seems to strike quite the aesthetic chord with these Cybergnostics whose absolute isolation takes "life is like a video game" to absurdly literal levels.
>>43025694it's sad that you are wrong. Valentinian, sethian, gaythians, it doesn't matter. only the core teaching that is important, every other flavor from each sect is just massive cope during their era.
>>43025694Whiner
>>43025694They're already blackpilled doomers to begin with and have little other esoteric knowledge. So they latch on to gnosticism as a justification of their blackpilled doomerism.>See everything is shit and it's because of that guy in the sky who runs this prison planet or something and we can't do anything about itIn the end it's just a suicide cult. These people just want to wallow in their misery and avoid responsability by justifying that it's the Demiurge's fault their lives are dull.Also to appear more deep than it really is it mixes a bunch of other myths. Those neo-gnostics confuse the Demiurge, Saturn, Satan, Yahweh and other vaguely patriarchal and authoritarian gods as the same thing. Ask them about astrology and other forms of established magic and they'll stare at you blankly.It's basically esotericism for lazy stupid people.
>>43025702exactlythis shit is so boring
>>43028879I made one thread whining about it. The neo gnostics shit up the board with their unconstructive whining every damn day.
>>43028894>These people just want to wallow in their misery and avoid responsability by justifying that it's the Demiurge's fault their lives are dull.This is one of my biggest issues with it, it seems indicative of a lack of "will" the way they behave and yet they are able to be so effortlessly hypocritical in their bashing of the mainstream religious
>>43028894>confuse the Demiurge, Saturn, Satan, Yahweh and other vaguely patriarchal and authoritarian gods as the same thingyes, I've also noticed this too very good point. cannot for the life of themselves differentiate them. Tiktok brained as fuck.
>counter signaling when will you retards learn that this is what they want you to doI imagine you are all christcucks and thus don't know how to exactly fight back against gnostics
Blame it all on that SchizoDumpz nigga
gnosticism has successfully positioned itself as the anti jewish ideology, I imagine this is due to a bunch of disaffected national socialists fed up with the abrahamic religions. the religions of old mainly place all the blame upon the individual, gnostics do not, so I understand why it is more papable than the Jewish shit
>>43029106if you are a nazi, gnosticism is the only logical conclusion for you, especially because the God of the jews is portrayed as the villain of history.any other form is Christian nazism is some uneducated hylic larp
>>43029120a nazi gnostic government would be interesting to see
>>43029120What, no? Gnosticism is still a Semitic Abrahamic religion. None of the Nazis were gnostics. They were either Atheist, pagan or Christian (because that was the dominant religion in Germany, also some tried to have Positive Christianity which wanted to minimize its Hebrew roots) or simply agnostic.Gnosticism goes against most of what National socialism stands for since gnostics reject material ideas like race and blood
>>43029145>Gnosticism goes against most of what National socialism stands for since gnostics reject material ideas like race and bloodyou couldn't be more wrong, modern gnostics have adopted the idea from the sethian version that asserts that the soul is passed down through bloodlines
>Gnosticism is still a Semitic Abrahamic religion. also once again more Jewish lies. the gnostics of the past only adopted Paul's christcuck lies due to its rising popularity at the time Modern gnostics assert that the abrahamic religions are nothing more than demiurge worship, and that the jews hold this creator gods favor.
>Gnosticism
>>43029179emm anon... the Baphomet is a gnostic imagery
>>43029180fucking prove it, let me eat my words
>inb4 look it up yourself
>>43025694>ruminate in negativitynot a single person who utters either of these two words has ever said anything of value unless they're a biologist or a mathematician talking about cows and numbers respectively
>>43029154>Modern gnostics assert that the abrahamic religions are nothing more than demiurge worship, and that the jews hold this creator gods favor.100%. The Essenes disregarded the tanak or the OT and referenced Enoch and their own scriptures. Calling all gnostics abrahamic is basically a slur with no practical knowledge of the topic.
>>43025694I think Valentina is pretty good (I've only had two kinds), but my journeys through Hylia have been fraught with peril.I mean like non stop.
This thread really demonstrates how Gnozis do nothing more than exponentially compound the mental retardation of their two respective source philosophies.
>>43029248>no practical knowledge of the topic>claims the Essenes were Gnostics who rejected the Hebrew BibleDid your dumbass confuse the Nag Hammadi with the Dead Sea Scrolls or something?
>>43025694This made me do some introspection and thinking about my beliefs, so thanks op. Wouldn’t consider myself gnostic but some of the ideas you mentioned I do believe in not necessarily because they sound good but because they align with personal experiences in life. The 3 kinds of people thing I subscribed to because it felt congruent with what I’ve seen (though I should probably do more thinking about it). I admit that I’ve resorted to thinking “hylic” about people more than I want to as a word that pairs with npc or goyim which I also use too much. Definitely gonna try and fix that, but I agree with you about how people just seethe about the “demiurge” and other concepts (that I don’t fully get behind) instead of actually putting in spiritual effort despite rejecting material efforts. I also think that some people use the 3 kinds of people thing to treat others like shit as though it absolves them from morality. I can see a “hylic” or “goyim” or “npc” or whatever your preferred term is and have my own thoughts but still treat them normally with kindness and respect because I know that that’s a good thing to do (unironic treat others the way you want to be treated as a basis for morality). Thanks again
>new slur just droppedgnoziyo this shit might be gas
gnozi chads btfoing jewish christcucks>many such cases
lmao the retards left
>>43025694real gnosticism has nothing to do with pop culture demiurge nonsense. its simply about collecting lenses of truth or gnosis from various sources wĂthout holding dogmatically to a single lens. this is gnosticism everythung else is bollocks created by fags later. real gnostics know that identifying with the material the words the dialectic the lens the magic; devours you. people who identify with gnostcism and are obsessed with the demiurge dont understand what gnosis is about. if you identify you lose its about being fluid like water and turning the brain into the philosophers stone by the pursuit and consumption of truth.
>>43029695for centuries this is what gnosticism was about and it did so relatively nameless but then faggots tries to descdive it encase it in a box building a mask infront of the original meaning. Gnosis is simoly pursuing truth dogmatism is antugnostic and removes one further from the path of selfactualisation
Only gnosticism can explain this world.
>>43028894Fool, you believe you have full free will; you believe this "life" of yours is a gift... You are like a blind slave who loves his condition. You are sick.And all births shall cease; there will be silence in the world.
>>43029277>>43029077>77Begone IAO, DONKEY DEMON!
gnosticism is for people who want to pretend they're into esotericism
>>43028894It's easy to buy people, give them distraction slop and they will be complacent. They will return your investment. It's easy to buy scholars, give them a safe space for their study, plenty of unseen protection. They will return your investment. It's easy to buy seekers, give them false enlightenment and a panetheon of friendly faces, they will not stand in your way. It is not easy to buy a gnostic. That's why they are the laughingstock of the universe, hated by all. Maybe you confuse them all as different entities, in the same way one would confuse republicans and democrats as enemies.
>>43028894>we can't do anything about itMost of what I hear is the opposite. If anything you hear this from the more religious "god fearing" folk. I think you're trying to force gnostics into this same mindset. A true suicide cult would be>We can't do anything about it, he's all powerful>He's gonna hurt us pretty bad if we don't serve him. It's an awful eternity for people who rebel.>Why not join? Why not be subservient? Why not kill our ego and become a limb? No matter what name you give to whoever oversees this planet, they're either not doing a good job or they have bad intentions. I think the actions of the most high are a better distinction of benevolence than their titles. Even if they are distinct beings, by and by, they are foul enough to hate deeply or at least run away from. The chances of winning this war are very small, but there is a chance nonetheless.
>>43029837And what's real esotericism?
>>43029145If 99% of of all people on this planet would accept this, the world will be back to having actual diversity with sentient creatures like the faes, blemmies, canine head humans, centaurs, cyclops, etc,
>>43029105Honestly, I sincerely believe Schizodumpz is as much of a victim as a perpetrator. For a while, YouTube was heavily pushing gnosticism content around the time he started getting big. It feels more like a larger conspiracy of the usual suspects to push the belief system on people who could potentially become social radicals as a way to disarm them psychically/spiritually.>social outcast gets upset at their condition>starts spiraling out into a potentially violent extreme end via Anticosmic bents>algorithm pushes gnosticism and nuGnosticism thought>suddenly they get captured by the nuGnosticism rhetoric, and they basically sit in their cave masturbating to shadowsYou can see it on here. This place was heavily bottled by the Epstein agents since the creation of /pol/ at his behalf. Suddenly, nuGnosticism in the form of the introduction of the NPC meme runs like wildfire.A great psyop always starts with a kernel of truth to sold a bigger lie. It eventually spirals out and takes on a life of its own, so it's best to start with an idea that causes its practitioners to lose hope, stop caring about the material and spiritual of reality, and to sequester and disconnect. Do I think the NPC/Collective Souled/Hylic thing is real? Yes. Do I think it's a problem and that it's a sign we need to escape whatever? No. It is a condition one needs to manage and account for in their own personal journey.>>43029695This, desu.
>the universe is crumbling since the last gnostic attained gnosis and killed Demiurge, somehow they're passive and do nothing because the church or some shitLmao, bend over fag, your homeworld is crumbling
Normally I would say "anything to divide people" is the course for this realm, but like others have said, suddenly gnosticism is popular and everyone is throwing npc/hylic around. What you should probably notice is the push back. All division but this division. This is obviously not an approved topic because when you separate the souled from the hylics, the outcome is not the same as republican/Democrat or any other false choice. There is a reason why the Essenes fled the cities to create their own societies. There is a reason why Yeshua called out the pharisees for their behavior. You can preach love and knowledge, but know they enemy. Their strategy is always incremental and predictable, and they should not be given a free pass. Any movement criticizing that division should raise a red flag in a world with a multitude of divisive options, where every flavor that divides us is available. Yes they are hylics. NPCs. They are different than us. I can disagree with someone and not consider them a hylic. There are very clear distinctions.
>>43025694All gnostics are dumb and damned
>>43030690>Do I think it's a problem and that it's a sign we need to escape whatever? No. It is a condition one needs to manage and account for in their own personal journey.It is better to see the hylic as a pothole in the road that you drive around. You do not invest any energy or time on them. The concept itself lends to them being harvesters of energy, whether they do it consciously or not. You can say that some are just broken and can find their way back. That is certainly true of some people. However, there are others that simply will not change their ways, and they share similar attributes and goals. Gnosis has a great gift of discernment that any souled individual can develop. Some can feel the context, some can see it clearly on another level. Some can read the words here on this forum and see the other person who is typing. Some can see flashes of their life and the essence of their being. So it is not always the case of misdiagnosing someone who is having a bad day. Some of us just know. That is the subjective truth of the matter.
>>43031644I don't see it that way, per se. Sure, some are to be avoided. Others are to be used. This is the way of things.
>>43025694Completely agreed on the claimed superiority of the so-called Gnostic. While the Gnostic train of thought surely underlines individualism, I yet have to find any source material claim that the adherent of the philosophy are somehow better than the rest. Such thinking is just one step away from treating people as NPCs and similar nonsense.We all leave skid marks, at the end of the day.
>>43029125That's what Esoteric Hitlerism is. Read Miguel Serrano!
Gnostics may or may not be stupid. The Alawi guy said some interesting things. Gnostics basically want out of this realm, but there might be idk something interesting in the imaginationland. But they want to just get past all of it and get to the monad. The alawis seem more into chilling in the astral plane. But whether or not you are a gnostic, Massins and Kabbalists worship Saturn. They can argue and say they don't but I'm not interested in arguing with them. They are trying to get a cool spot in hell and are listening to this guy named Sabi who said to do whatever you want. So they eat babies and rape kids bc that's part of their rituals, but they also just rape people n shit. And whether they're raping people or not they are taking us land and companies rn. If they didn't worship Saturn it wouldn't even matter, but Ben born again on rumble has this video called Jesus never called God YHWH, and Ali Ruyan has some good fb reels about the theft.. The Orsinis/Rockefellers are in charge and they had Epstein/Bush/CIA/Mossad do basically everything. Obviously idk how far it goes, supposedly they have weapons to really fuck with people and whatnot, but what I've said so far is shit I'm basically sure of. Maxwell worked for Disney, Epstein had a blue and white striped temple, Disney is also blue and white stripes. That's Saturn shit. They are literally stealing kids and eating them n shit. The more small hats in your country, the more missing children you have. And people wanna say massins is not what it used to be or something, whatever, this whole country was created by and for massins and they are worshipping Saturn/Satan/some three headed monster god
>>43025694it really doesn't matter. nothing said in this thread does
>>43032388XD
>>43025694That 'alien interview' between that nurse and the alien from Roswell basically brought up the prison planet theory but it's some type of old machines that keep our souls trapped on the planet. Thought it was interesting compared to the demiurge stuff.
>>43035541>That 'alien interview' between that nurse and the alien from RoswellThe what now?
>>43025694You are 100% correct. Most neo gnostics watched the Matrix and watched a couple of youtube videos about the subject and think that makes them experts. You know they themselves don't understand and are hylics themselves because they mimic terms instead of actually trying to learn and understand them.They act like the Demiurge is satan only to go and act like AM hating everyone else wanting to torture them. Many gnostics troon the fuck out because they think gender isn't real and is made up le demiurge only to fall in the same trap again and assign made up unicorn genders to themselves. >>43028894That's another thing I noticed. They don't have any actual esoteric concepts. They cry about loosh farming without realizing that every subject in existence requires emotional input and never apply that thought process to others. You ask them what sacred geometry is and they go blank. They are all nihilists. >>43029285Like I told others, many people are themselves hylics mimicking the term to seem smart. How many people do you know that insist that video games and movies today suck only to get excited for another product that also sucks just as bad but they give it a pass?
>>43025694I met a gnostic cult from this 4chan place and after a few years I had to leave them. They ended up being complainers who puff themselves up as pneumatics and call all who disagree with them hylics. They complain endlessly about the demiurge and archons but refuse to confront their own flaws and end up spreading the very negativity, hate and hierarchy that feeds this broken world. They get btfo'd by their own inner demons and refusal to accept their flaws and fail to grow to become better people. Also once I started meditating and astral projecting, I never once encountered the archons they constantly scream about (negative entities exist though). A lot of these gnostics have concepts stolen from movies but don't try investigating if what they believe is actually true. Ask them for evidence and they fall short. Advaita Vendanta hindus are more mature btw. But almost all religious cults are pretty disappointing. The best way to approach spiritual life is through empiricism imo, don't take anyone's word for it, experience and seek it out yourself.
