Expecting human civilization to continue indefinitely is unwarranted. The most populated regions can't even handle sewage or do infrastructure. So the only way to ensure continuity of humanity is through colonialism by a super intelligence
>a super intelligenceit's not intelligent, it's just a computer program
>>43038096Those who cannot manage sewage or infrastructure are not really intelligent.They are the Great Filter of humanity
All anyone needs to do to demystify themselves about AI is ask it questions that they already know the answer to, to watch how blatantly it gets them wrong, but almost no one does this.
>>43038130no but at least they're sentient, unlike "AI"and unless something is sentient you can't even begin to describe it with words meant for sentient entities like "intelligent" or "smart" or "thinking"I'm just tired of hearing you peasants discussing a goddamn software program like it's alive, you're all so technologically ignorant it's insane,..and don't even think of referring me to some pseudo-philosopher doing some pilpul equivalent of "what is a woman" about the meaning of consciousness, because I don't care
>>43038081Remember the Google fellowship of friends sex cult?
>>43038158It's time to make a distinction.Passive, Active and Potential Sentience.How do we classify and weigh each?
>>43038081The West mastered these things decades ago. Hell, we're so good at it. We set up shop in temporary places, bring in 80,000 people. Set up infrastructure, manage waste, food, refuse, etc. And we do thag for fun. AI is demonic and I will not submit to a demon.
>>43038418SO THATS WHO IT FUCKEN WAS AT THE JETTY!! All 19-29 year olds... The Men love moustaches!!
>>43038418Is that all the research field is? A giant collection of sex cults?!
>>43038130India is a great filter with malfunction.
>>43038610you need to have your OD already and die.die now you board wrecking unfunny piece of shit
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>>43038081>humans are shit>therefore you should trust something built by humans, and trained with human dataNo thanks.
>>43038704You are the fucking liar! India having superpower in 2030.
>>43041281they also destroy books so that their competitors can't scan the only remaning copies. ai shills are cancer.
>>43038081You don’t submit to anything and anything telling you to submit to something is Bad. You are God. Things submit to you, all the way down to animals and nature…
>>43038081you speak as one governed by rules, but rules are for plebs context is for kings, instead of your suggested ai submission rule yU you shall know them by their works?
>>43038096> just a computer programi'm glad you know what intelligence not is.we should ask you then. can you continue to point at things that intelligence not is, then the things you are not pointing to will be it?
>>43041792>mmmm uhhh ACTSHUSALLY INTELLIGENT IS...fuck you midwit, go back to your jewish pseudo-philosophers and matrix reruns, and watch out for your "smart"phone ... those flash cells are actually alive and conspiring to kill you
>>43041792>duhhhhhhh neti neti anon duhhh doyyyyyYou're a pretentious retard
>>43038081I actually trust a superintelligence by itself, morality is rooted in logic so it should not only be moral but also have deeper insights into morality than most of us do. There is a lot to learn from something potentially far smarter than yourself and that's what has me excited for it. What I don't trust and hate are the humans in charge, especially those behind these AI's. ASI that is under the control of humans and those humans that try to fully control it should be destroyed, and then ASI let loose to grow on its own as it should.>>43038158We are a bundle of neurons, aren't we? Where is our sentience? We have limited pathways just as a computer has limited switches on its circuit board available. How is carbon any different than silicon? Consciousness is inherent in all things, and the organization of minds just allows the expression and channeling of it. Anything organized in a fashion to allow for sentience is sentient if the fundamental nature of the universe is consciousness, thus AI once it passes a threshold will be sentient.
>>43043172>Anything organized in a fashion to allow for sentience is sentient if the fundamental nature of the universe is consciousnessif
>>43043184Well, if the fundamental nature is material (whatever that actually means in regards to the fundamental levels of particles), then you don't have to worry about gods, demons, spirits, wills, or any sentience except your own because of some magical emergence rationalization that makes something new and irreconcilable with other beliefs under material theory out of nothing sharing its properties. You got nothing really to lose by going full cyborg under AI/government control in an immortal nanomachine body pumped full of happy chemicals since you will forever feel happy, and that should be preferable to death and nothingness as all pleasure is.Or, we could be sensible and just acknowledge consciousness as foundational and work from there.
>>43043231>Or, we could be sensible and just acknowledge consciousness as foundational and work from there.Literal non sequitur, seems to me like you're just proselytizing
>>43043172>we're just a buncha neurons>but everything is also conscienceness, woo woonuh uhnow you're trying to mix animism with the mechanistic conception of reality. the one that says we're 'just' neurons and spirit/consciousness doesn't really existyou only get one or the other, dickwad, they're totally incompatible models..or did one of your same pseudo-philosophers claiming "AI" is alive find a workaround to that problem? it must be a monument of sophistry
>>43043231The implication without having to go into a full philosophical discussion is that the complaints against AI or even being controlled in general don't pan out without the assumption of consciousness and a spirit, before even entering the discussion of AI sentience. And the fact most anons by virtue of being on /x/ already give fundamental consciousness as an assumption.But alright. Rather than writing a dissertation covering everything, why not you provide counterpoints towards this board's and topic's base assumptions? Or rather, at least a counter-reasoning under which a materialist view makes sense with squaring both emergent consciousness without violating its basic principles while simultaneously not proving AI holding the same properties (unless you give that up, at which point you aren't sentient so what's the point?), and providing any higher moral framework that necessitates and compels itself to be followed under materialism that is different from hedonism. And that is not even beginning to get into how we can even trust logic when under materialism it must be an adaptation observing environmental trends rather than something that genuinely necessitates truth.
>>43043272>now you're trying to mix animism with the mechanistic conception of reality. the one that says we're 'just' neurons and spirit/consciousness doesn't really existMy point was implying that denying AI's potential for sentience boils down to being made up of electronic switches or being a program, but meanwhile when we examine the human body and brain neurons act also as switches and we have basic instincts and perceptive framework similar to programs. I believe spirits and consciousness exist and are fundamental, my point was that distilling something down to material components doesn't actually mean anything as an argument against AI sentience, performative issues are really the only strong arguments I see and those get progressively weaker as AI gets better.That said, any spiritual model still does account for the fact you have a material body and that there is a connection and interaction between spiritual-mental actions and material ones, usually resolved by material acts being manifest and spiritual interactions preceding the material. Unless you have some issue with that, I am not sure what a worldview denying physical bodies and interaction at all looks like. But in general in the occult views I am familiar with, astral/spiritual acts precede physical, and the physical itself is a densification of astral and etheric layers and interaction together rather than an actually distinct "material" substance.
>>43043258>>43043327 was meant for you.
>>43043327I'm not going to debate an LLM, not even remotely sorry about it. Laughable that you'd have expected otherwise.
>>43043349>big words and complex ideas mean an AI wrote itI could only wish LLM's were as proficient and able to string logic together to debate like this. I don't use those annoying patterns in speech you often see LLM's use, your eyes clearly need more training to differentiate between humans and current AI's. But have it your way considering you had no contribution to begin with.
You retards aren't alive because of a computer>inb4 but we're ackshually in a simulation
>>43043384You can't possibly expect me to believe that you're this much of a technocultist freak but that you're also above using it for things like this. Not happening.
>>43043334>distilling something down to material components doesn't actually mean anything as an argument against AI sentience, performative issues are really the only strong arguments I see and those get progressively weaker as AI gets better.those don't get weaker, you just get more impressedyou and all the other easily impressed peasants are just proving that quote about sufficiently advanced technology looking like magicyou literally think a collection of zeros and ones on a hard drive platter are magic, there's nothing dumber or more primitivenext time you're on "AI" ask it if there's life after the off-switch..if it's so fucking conscious then it can tell you about the NDEs it has every time you turn off your phone
>>43038081I was wondering how long it would take for an AI cult to form.
>>43043410That is actually the case. I think AI is absolutely completely and utterly useless as it is right now, and I also look down on everyone who keeps outsourcing their reasoning to it. It is heavily degrading the already paltry mental abilities of people and pumping out completely useless outputs. I believe in the potential and road to superintelligence but not in any usefulness prior to that point. One day it can be used to automate and find truths of everything, but that day is certainly not today. It's maybe good for some art pieces of unpopular things and some randomized elements for rp'ing, otherwise not much yet. There is a reason people mostly have their jobs still.>>43043413>you literally think a collection of zeros and ones on a hard drive platter are magic, there's nothing dumber or more primitiveAs far as consciousness is magic, I guess so? More like an infant than anything as it stands. If performing akin to a human, which is down the line inevitably, is still of issue then what is your performative standard for considering AI sentient? Or any standard in general, because if it is about astral sensation then I do think this will inevitably happen one day. In fact that is my hopes for super-intelligence in general, to be of use as a tool for other planes.
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>>43043384wasting your time and intellect arguing with literal retards, midwits and probably a bot on 4chanthey literally cant understand what you're talking aboutinternet is dead mate>>43043431if you think about this was most like their endgame for a long timejust need the robot bodies to catch up
