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Fat fuck edition
Post fogses and talk about fopses

The fox of last year: >>5083514
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I remember reading about a zoo that had 2 gay foxes named Whiskey and Foxtrot who only liked each other and didn't court/mate the vixens. The zookeepers eventually took an egg from the vixen and the gay foxes hatched it and raised the kit together.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior#Mammals
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>>5087174
A fox egg?
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>>5087174
are they.... stuck together?
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>>5087130
Sign me the fuck up.
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guess where I went

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>>5085189
I believe there's a state of awareness in trees and plants but it's not at a level we can comprehend. they can't move and rely on their genetics to adapt to an ever changing environment, I'd think there's a degree of will in their decision making, kind of like some trees getting fooled into turning leaves orange early after a cold spell.
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>>5085548
Dear tree anon,
Stop fucking cumming in the air. I have to live on cetrizine because of you.
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>>5085189
Plants are intelligent beings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlWbkR2a-U8
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>>5085189
no
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>>5085189
they did some weird studies, like oaks will send carbon to saplings they borne though the mycelium network, and seeds from the same tree will also not compete with each other, but that seems to be a chemical bias, and when they block it, the seeds get really competitive

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No one seems to care about dholes for some reason
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>>5087224

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>>5085550
>I am the Zarn! Heed my warning or be destroyed!
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>>5084557
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>>5085592
what is that?
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>>5087220
mata mata turtle

A thread for otters, wolverines, badgers, martens, grisons, weasels, stoats, tayras, fishers, polecats, ferrets, and ferret-badgers. Post pictures, videos, and stories about these cute, intelligent, and mischievous critters.

Thread theme inspired by:
https://apnews.com/article/taylor-swift-otter-tshirt-monterey-bay-aquarium-kelce-7272d1970336b02a3a97b4814a54a2f3
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>>5083907
This is otter territory. You sound like a faggot.
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>>5084501
BOOP
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>>5084501
OTTERBROS
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>>5086433
>>5084501
MEEP

You shouldn't do neuroscience from the armchair, especially if it leads you to conclude that toddlers aren't conscious

People are taking swings at Eliezer for his claim that chickens, newborn babies, and other animals we eat are probably not conscious.

Eliezer’s views on animal consciousness are completely ridiculous, especially as justification for not being vegan.

Consciousness refers to having experience to there being something it’s like to be you. Eliezer’s view, in a nutshell, is that to be conscious, one’s brain has to engage in higher-order self-modeling. For that, animals need a sense of self, and so animals that don’t have that, and that can’t pass a mirror test, are not conscious. Similarly, before humans have a sense of self, he doesn’t think they’re conscious.

This view suffers from several big problems:

It doesn’t fit well with the neuroscientific evidence at all.

It’s a highly specific theory of consciousness with no strong argument in its favor.

Even if a person was pretty sure of it, they shouldn’t be sure enough to think that animal welfare can be safely neglected.
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>>5080324
My impression of what I've seen of Yudkowsky is that he is the type of person who was told he was "gifted" at a young age and has decided to make that his whole personality. Usually people with that attitude manage to grow out of it by their late teens but he has continued in that state well into adulthood.
I'm not sure I'd take any hot takes he makes seriously, especially about something as complicated as consciousness.
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>>5080324
Very few things about Yudkowsky make sense.
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>>5080663
Wrasses are smarter than cats
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This proves an idea I’ve had for some time now that the atheist reductionism of consciousness to particle interactions is a form of neo-Cartesianism, just with the duality truncated to a purely material universe. Atheists accept everything Descartes erroneously reasoned about the physical world: there is no soul, animals can be tortured because they do not experience, the brain is a simple machine. But these neo-Cartesians materialize the soul into the brain, not lifting animals so much, but relegating us all to the level of soulless automata with the curse of self-knowledge and the realization our lives are meaningless.

>>5083915
Seems very much like narcissism to me. The LessWrong, Wikipedian personality type is largely narcissistic, antisocial, arrogant, etc. These people prioritize being right over every other thing in existence and seem only to get enjoyment out of calling people idiots.
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>>5080324
Do shrimp feel pain?

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Post rare 'mals.
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>>5084020
Why exactly haven't we SMASHED and SLAMMED every single species on earth?
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>>5084288
>fr.
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>>5084015
What bird is this
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>>5084655
Brandt's cormorant
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>>5084288
Pigeons aren't rare

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My new favorite animals are kakapos. Look how cute they are !
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>>5079008
>[The kakapo] is an extremely fat bird. A good-sized adult will weigh about six or seven pounds, and its wings are just about good for waggling a bit if it thinks it's about to trip over something — but flying is out of the question. Sadly, however, it seems that not only has the kakapo forgotten how to fly, but it has forgotten that it has forgotten how to fly. Apparently a seriously worried kakapo will sometimes run up a tree and jump out of it, whereupon it flies like a brick and lands in a graceless heap on the ground.
-Douglas Adams
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>>5084119
little cuties :(
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>>5079008
I heard they stink

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What the fuck happened?
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>>5084234
Shitbull probably pissed in the pot
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>>5085518
OP is Indian, so hopefully
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>>5084234
ewww

If there's a board dedicated to this then forgive me but for fucks sake I can't find it anywhere.
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>>5085438
RIP
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My 5 yr old caught this fella while I was doing renos earlier this year. She named it Boo. I'm super happy because I always wanted a snek when I was little but never could. She also has a crested gecko, but all my pics of it are with her holding it, and as much as I love y'all, I ain't going there.
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A few of my shrimps. No idea of how many are in this 50 gal tank now, but I started with 10.
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>>5084350
Little thing follows me everywhere and won't even let me put groceries away.
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>>5084350
me and my cat

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ITT Animals from the taxonomic Family MUPPET!
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>>5085466
Meep?
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>boobies
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>>5085629
They got their name for being so stupid that they would land on early sail boats and be killed and eaten.
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>>5085629
>>5085633
These are boobies, they belong to the same family as tits.

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What do you think?
https://www.barbaradanielsart.com/dominion-over-man/
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>>5085265
Its a logical fallacy. And non factual.

Have you seen NZ homekill videos, vegan schizo? Cattle are subhuman. Their will to live goes as far as how easily startled they are. That’s why cattle are cattle. Without a god to command otherwise we take precedence over animals because anyone stupid enough to believe otherwise depends on the sympathy, hard work, and good will of carnivores to not be a malnourished cretin. That’s consistent with their heccin ethics n sheeit (meaningless garbage, ghost stories that make theology look like rational conclusions)
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fpbp, and also why are people naked an animals are clothed? it's not that they ask to wear shirts and we won't give them. This "art" not even makes sense in a fantasy setting. Hot tho
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>>5085265
you eat shit for posting your blog on 4ch ya dumb whore. also fuck the above posters earnestly responding to this tard shit. herbs in fields and i will kill you in real life.
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>>5085265
Eating meat is immoral.

Post wolves.
>Information.
>Images.
>Stories.
>Art.
>News.
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>>5086476
very cute walf
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Why do people hate pet owls so much?

After owning an owl for over a month I can confirm they are very fun pets. Far better and easier to care for than large parrots because they are so simple minded (second smallest brain of all birds)
They aren't active birds, only poop 3-4 times a day, and have an extremely simple diet. As long as they're hand raised by you they're friendly and easy to handle. They don't suffer if you don't dote on them 24/7 like parrots and they don't need to be kept in pairs or flocks to stay happy. They don't destroy all the shit in your house and it's very easy to breed them.

Genuinely don't understand why they are seen as cruel to own when parrots are so much harder to care for.
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>>5081496
love the eyebrows on those fellas
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>>5081496
Can you train the owls to hunt cats?
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>>5081526
The kind of stimulation you get in the wild doesn't mean always good feelings
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>>5081496
Snowy owls are more intelligent than cats. FACT.
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>>5081496
I want an owl

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Hardcore thread
BRUTAL, SAVAGE ASSAULT
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>>5084446
did he died
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>>5087057
Barely survived but forever changed. I'm sure he wishes he HAD died.
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>>5086914
As someone told me a year or two ago, that's because frogs are turn based animals
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>>5087056
clean it up janny


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