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You've probably noticed that /biz/ has a problem with spam. We've had to issue roughly 300 bans a week on /biz/ since January just for advertising and begging, and every day there are a dozen new pump & dump shitcoins being shilled. All this spam pushes actual discussion of business and finance off the board, and creates an atmosphere where users suspect each other of inauthentic behavior (i.e., being scammers or bots).In an effort to address the spam, we're trialing a new system: email verification. To post on /biz/ you will need to verify your email address using this link: https://sys.4chan.org/signinWhen you submit your email address, you will receive an automated email containing a verification link.After this email has been sent, your email address will be purged from our servers. We will not retain long-term records of your email address.Clicking the verification link in the email will permit you to post normally. The verification link is valid for 24 hours.You will need to accept 4chan cookies for the verification process to function.4chan Pass users are not required to verify their email address using this system.The goal of this new system isn't to eliminate spam and shilling entirely; no system is perfect and perfect is the enemy of good. The goal of this system is to reduce the ease with which bad actors can spam the board, such that the mods and janitors can deal with the remaining spam more effectively.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
The rich are finally going to have to pay their fair share. Huge W for the people. Fat cats absolutely seething.
>>58428229its doa for sure, but it'd be nice if it became law
>>58428229The government cannot create anything of value. The government cannot build anything that pays for itself. The government cannot make reasonable investments. Because of this, they instead steal from other people. This will adversely impact only common folk because the ultra rich have the time and resources to exploit tax loopholes whereas the average person does not.
So bullish for physical gold it's unreal
>>58428229>implying the rich don't just borrow money on their assets instead of paying a single cent in capital gains taxeslmaodelusional retarded goy
>>58428229>hey look votes, i did it! ***they*** just didn't pass it. vote for me. not for them. thank you. god bless.
>>58428215holy zased
>>58428212the reality is im almost 30 and im still not a millionaire despite being 1 of the first people in the entire world to invest in the greatest asset of the 21st century
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>>58428205Painlink
>>58428233
Day 1007 of snailposting every day until BTC is at 100k
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>>58427976i am with you mumen rider
Asahi Edition>Why Gold?https://youtu.be/i3S4rl6ehiIhttps://youtu.be/gksenA5Al_Ahttps://youtu.be/FI7NnOg2rxo>Huge deficits in minerals such as silver by 2050 inevitablehttps://youtu.be/iibsrDXdEos>Bullion dealershttps://libertycoin.com/ (US)https://www.chards.co.uk/ (EU/UK)https://www.silburycoins.co.uk/ (Ancient)https://www.luciteria.com/ (Other rare metals)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Buy or wait?
Already have bitcoin, jasmy, datamine, neurai. Maybe i should buy some meme coins?
>BOBO at 130mil mcap>MUMU at 8mil mcapHmm.....
>>58423345Did you mean SUPRA Tge? It's going to melt faces.
>>58418694i'd rather get more Nai tokens. Ai be bossing it out there.
>>58409422memes are way too risky. i remember losing aroung 2k on a meme. no more! i'd rather go for low caps with good utilities. long term holders will definately get rewarded
>>58428169Hydro is a good one to watch out for. i think it's one of the promising gems on Sui ecosystem
Imagine fomoing in with $220k and closing out for a loss of $89k. Brutal.
>>58426233Forgot pic.
>>58424674seriously, a shitcoin I was in started mooning and a couple retards fomoing in and then starting selling at a loss at the first dip which fucked up the chart and the volumeit's like these guys burn money to fuck up pumps
Maybe he's rich and has a gambling addiction. More likely he has a gambling addiction and isn't rich but had a lucky shitcoin moon. Now he believes he knows how to play the scam casino and failed. Many such cases even in normal option trading where people make thousands of dollars and hold over the selling point because of greed getting burned badly. He could have just invested 180k in a non shitcoin and pull out after gaining 10% which would be 18k dollars for not doing anything. Instead he pumps a shitcoin and pajeet bots dump on him in an instant. Unless he was just pumping the price to exit with his other wallets and ultimately made money on the PnD.
>>58424686That's the issue with shitcoins. Once the volume drops off after a single viral twitter post it's dead in the water. Many such cases! Captcha: PYPT
>>58426241Poor newton got dumped on.
HBAR full retrace
So I suppose those really are real people instead of bots. That’s so fucking sad bros.
would
>>58428067Generals are just reddit colonies, started with /ptg/, they never leave but they can’t function without consensus and groupthink, so they just enforce it here through generals.
it's 5 redditors having multiple schizophrenic episodes because cryptobros hop in to talk shitthere's also 1 dude from the "meltdown" reddit whatever that drops by to post the same things and gaslight them into thinking they're "under attack by hedge funds"
>>58428067SMG is fucking dead.
How do you guys sleep easy with the market crabbing, work more than 6 hours and even have a life? the halving didn't do much and at this point I just fear for my retardioI can no longer sleep for more than 4 hours, has using sleeping pills helped anyone?
>>58427385dont waste your words bro, this is natural selection. Op is gonna rope anytime
>>58427385>that's what I've been doing with $ssncthat shit it's been a roller coaster I would have shorted at the first low
>>58427485its a new coin, doing baby steps. What actually happens in the next bullrun defines its potential
I used to care about money, so i couldnt sleep.After losing thousands and gaining it back i stopped caring. Just let it sit and watch from time to time. Set up some sell/buy orders and dont bother, otherwise its just mentally draining.
>>58427053I have a good career, a small business, and investments in other things. So my entire life and wellbeing isn’t riding on some dog coin like I’m 14 or something.
Bidenbros…
based biden
>>58428173>printing infinite moneyStarted from Trump's admit>low interest ratesIt's highest it's ever been in the last 20 years right now>infinite government deficitsExcept it's the opposite under Biden. Trump deficit spend like a motherfucker during his adminstration in the best economy ever that he inherited from Obama.>sky high taxationYou have to. When you have the past adminstration that deficit spend like a motherfucker almost to bankrupcy, you have to do surplus spend so you don't absolutely bankrupt the entire country. Trump UNIRONICALLY destroyed the country. Every bad effect we see right now is due to the mishandling of the past adminstration that the Dems once again have to fix.
>>58428210holy shit ur retarded. gb2redit midwit
>>58428210>muh blue team red team jewish brainrotstfu mutt golem, you're embarrassing
>>58428210flush yourself down the toilet
Watching people lose money edition:https://youtu.be/Hf2Foss8iXQ>Brokers:https://pastebin.com/F1yujtVq>Stock market words:https://pastebin.com/VtnpN5iJ>Risk management:https://pastebin.com/sqJUcbjp>Live Bloomberg stream:http://www.livenewson.com/american/bloomberg-television-business.htmlComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>58428092Its weird. Honk Kong Dollar signals bottom for correction, and that indicator has worked like a charm forever
>>58428099companies that miss earnings should receive large forgivable 0% interest rate loans from the fed so we can all make money permanently and never lose money
>>58427718damn
Thoughts on LLY?Sounds like overhyped fat people / diabetes drugs with a >100 p/e. Should I sell credit spreads? Anyone else shorting? Other consideraions are Nvidia and SMCI call credit spreads.
How many of you fans caught the knife?
>>58428062>just now realizing that trader joe devs are scammers that incentivize people to lock in their shitcoins while they can freely dump on themabout 3 years too late innit
>>58428062Yes the volume drop was immediate. This was such a brainlet move from the foundation/marketing team considering the only thing avax miss against other overvalued trashy l1/l2s is the consistent volume, And when it started gaining traction (Was practically only ranked below ETH and Solana as far as L1s go) they killed it kek
>>58428079the idea for Meme rush comes from Ava Labs not from Trader Joe.also TJ is still the best DEX on Avalanche. nobody comes even close.Like Pangolin for example doesnt even have half the volume of what TJ is getting now during the "memerush".>>58428121They should have made it a Trading competition or something like that.
>Its le Ava Labs' idea but it was implemented on TJ killing all volume because... they just want YOU to make money!!111 they care about your incestment!!!!11>cannot comprehend TJ works alongside Ava Fags>something about how pangolin lives rent free in your head
>>58428207>something about how pangolinits the only other "competing" DEX and if you compare the metrics with TJ you will notice that Trader joe is far more popular, has more TVL, better tokenomics, more Users and is just the best dapp on Avalanche.Thats what makes it so surprising that they crippled themselves like this with the Memerush.
i dreamed about being extremely wealthy when i was a kid. i am now 27 and dream of owning a shoebox apartment one day
>>58427753not at all>>58427608>>58426168wagie cope. 400k is nothing. you need 2 million to live a decent live. 1 million for income, 1 million for house. commuting is bad for health and for your spirit.
>>58421062>Can no longer afford anti depressantsTry ordering in bulk from India. I used to get my generics from India at about the same price as the US (after shipping costs) but I the benefit was that I didn't have to keep visiting the psychiatrist every 6 months at a cost of $100+ per visit.
>>58428110Any good websites
>>58422440>>58428098Aren't you a europoor? What do you need 2M for?
>>58421054Everyone has dreams of being extremely rich as a kid. Welcome to the real world.
$2.5 Waiting Room Edition>Why Gold?https://youtu.be/i3S4rl6ehiIhttps://youtu.be/gksenA5Al_Ahttps://youtu.be/FI7NnOg2rxo>Huge deficits in minerals such as silver by 2050 inevitablehttps://youtu.be/iibsrDXdEos>Bullion dealershttps://libertycoin.com/ (US)https://www.chards.co.uk/ (EU/UK)https://www.silburycoins.co.uk/ (Ancient)https://www.luciteria.com/ (Other rare metals)Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>58426047>>5842615020 LMU 20 Franc(ish) pieces, avg cost $353.35. Actual cost varied from $380 to $339. All from eBay with a cashback card at 3.3% for online purchases. iirc they're 17 from Liberty Coin, and the other 3 from other big bullion dealers
>>58426047Generall 1 oz is better butt I'm going to second>>58426150If your selective you can find fractional gold at a fair value. I have a 20 corona austrian coin .19076 oz of gold, or 6.0976 grams of gold or 5 coins to get about a troy ounce.Currently selling for $487 on JM bullion if you do ewire or 2,486 for an ounce vs 2350 for a 1 oz gold bar so not that bad a debta all things considered how inflated fractional eagles are.
>>58426427Nice anon. It's truly something feeling that weight in your hand isn't it?
>>58426427Hold an ounce of gold, you'll feel something primal in your being.
I hope no one has a shellfish allergy, because I'm looking forward to crab.
What's the point of recieving dividends?The higher the yield, the faster your main investment dilutes. Look at JEPI. High yield, but you are lossing long term, probably doesn't even beat inflation. All payments need to be taxed in order to reinvest. If you are in an accumulation fund, it reinvests automatically and you dont pay taxes, only when you sell. So why not just liquidate 3%yearly/12=0,25% monthly so you get a monthly payment and still grow your investment long term? (not sure how much, but I assume 3% liquidation yearly on the sp500 will still allow some growth). Same shit applies to SCHD, sure less dilution than JEPI, but why the fuck do you need to get the dividend payd if you can just manage it yourself manually and get paid what you will spend instead of get paid too much, and have to reinvest this again in order to not lose it to inflation inmediately thus paying taxes? Inb4 I beat the sp500 long term with muh stock picking, no you don't.
>>58428090I can see the point for retirees that need cashflow, dividend payouts are usually more resilient than the share price. For example, a dividend stock or etf may tank 50% in share price, but this doesn't mean the dividend payout will also tank 50%, in many cases it either stays the same or decreases just a bit.
>>58428100fair enough, but if you are in your 30's 40's and make it from holding something that does a 3x or so and you have enough that you dont want to wagecuck, you still have to take into consideration that you cannot dillute your stack in exchange of higher yield, so my point is, i see all these young investors buying SCHD and getting dividends which they reinvest again which is retarded when you can just buy the sp500The only valid argument i've seen is, "but if you liquidate shares, you are lossing shares, on a long enough timeline you would have 0". But if the sp500 goes up 10% annually long term as expected, then you would in theory never run out of shares, you would liquidate a smaller amount from that 3% yearly as the price goes up. So this seems like a psychological thing, they would rather have dividends paid so they can have the same shares or more if they reinvest, but at the cost of lossing actual purchasing power on your stack. SO whats the fucking point.
>>58428090yield trannies are retarded, what matters is growth and equity unless you're 70 years old
>>58428148Some investors may think tech is very overpriced and due for a major correction. The SPX at this point is a tech etf, so investors may veer towards dividend stocks/etfs because dividend companies also tend to be more boring reliable industries such as oil, healthcare, consumer products etc...so basically orphan stocks. Also take into account that dividend etfs like SCHD also have pretty good capital appreciation, it's not like the share price is a flat line...far from it actually, although the past year was a bit lackluster; however, during covid, SCHD massively outperformed SPX etfs because during an actual societal crisis, reliable and boring companies that also tend to be dividend paying companies will always be needed and desired.
>>58428190but you can find products that have the same type of portfolio as SCHD or similar that is accumulation, im pretty sure there is an ETF or index fund that can meet whatever needs, and have it compound the interest instead of recieving divididends and then have to pay taxes on this dividend to reinvest againstill see no point, unless like you are indeed old enough that you will not see any impact on your capital so it may be worth the dillution vs the short term benefits of getting an higher yield, but then again, if you are old you can also just withdraw higher than this 3-4% and not go bankrupt so whats the point. and you also control when you get paid instead of depending on some quarterly or whatever dividend payment, you liquidate whatever you need. still no point to dividends that I can see so far.
>want to buy stuff online>$40>$10-15 fee to send itthis has to be a joke. I ended up buying it with litecoin and lost a few cents for the transaction.
>>58428142this/thread
I remember just a week ago the popular altfag fud narrative was that bitcoin hashrate would plummet after the halving as miners switched to shitcoins like btrash. Instead it continues its steady climb, and the one-off trune squad event which spiked fees has already mostly evaporated. Altfags will always jump from one goalpost to the next and make arguments that appeal only to the ignorance of other normie newfags in a pathetic attempt to find a greater fool who just started looking into crypto the week before. Keep at it pajeets! It'll continue to entertain me to watch shit like litecoin flatline. More seethe threads on mostly dead /biz/ will surely undo bitcoin's snowballing network effect dominance.
>>58428185>>58428142Cope. Bitcoin has been deprecated.
>>58428142it's an iq test, do not bother, and newfags from this cycle are probably more tech illiterate than before
>>58428142>"new all time highs"You're really going to say other coins are "flatlining" while the btc graph looks like this?This shit doesn't even beat the s&p 500 if you bought at the last ath lmao. The days of x10000 returns are over enjoy your 5-10% over a few years just like any another boomer stockASSUMING it doesn't just crash to 1/3 of its price like it likes to do.This shit is a waste of time to speculate on
Is btc the only crypto you need to hodl? Are people still hodling?
>>58427987Saylor is a poorfag?
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>>58428111poor bobos having crazy entitlement huge fan of the chain with hydro being of those i'm keeping tabs with
>>58428137yes because he doesn't hold shitcoins and memes recommended by biz
>>58428163sui, starknet, sei all have the "S" curse
I’m thinking of turning my back yard into a pond and let all the ducks fuck.$2k would pay my rentAny anons have experience raising fowl?
>>58426307No but I heard your mom has experience in raising cocks
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>>58426946Based
What happened to shrimp farming? I thought they struck the most fear into the jew as shrimps aren't kosher.
